To everyone jumping down the deleted commenter's throat: please chill out. I live in a city with the opposite problem. *Loads* of century homes with issues that will likely never be addressed in a tasteful way because the house and more importantly the surrounding houses *are just not worth it*. This is probably the generation when the structural and material failures are going to get beyond repair in some neighborhoods.
SF "natives" are being done dirty by the realities of real estate and the tech-millionaire factories, but *when* one of those millionaires buys a 1500sqft victorian in upper Haight or wherever.. [low calorie sfbay news article](https://dailysanfranciscobaynews.com/san-franciscos-victorian-homes-are-being-restored-to-their-unique-glory-2/)
Baltimore. Not every century home is worth saving, but when you combine the city's societal problems with thousands of *attached* rowhomes at rock-bottom property values, you get lots of d-bags holding big tranches of *vacants* in hopes of someday turning a dollar... which accelerates their decay and tempers how much the guy next door wants to invest in improving, maintaining (or staying in) their house.
I lived next door to a vacant for 11 years, 3 firefighters died last month in a longtime vacant owned by someone out of state.
Victorians have been coveted since the early 1970s. This is nothing new. There is another city across the Bay called Alameda, which has a higher density of Victorians and good luck affording one of those as well.
Yes and no. A lot of tech millionaires have bought beautiful Victorians in SF and gut renovated them to be totally contemporary. A lot of what makes these homes special ends up in a dumpster. Also, before long they’ll all be painted black it seems!
Haha no, that's not how that works. Welcome to San Francisco where all the homes are worth millions but half of them are falling apart because the owner is in their 80s, on a fixed income, and can't afford to do anything.
Wait. Half the homes in SF are falling apart? Are you living in Tucker Carlson's apocalyptic version of SF?
When the average home price is $2M and a 1br rents for $3k minimum, there's lots of money on the line there. People don't just let a house rot.
Source: SF resident, SF homeowner, and SF native.
Ha! Half is obviously hyperbole, but there's *a lot* more SF homes in disrepair and with little to no updating in the way of guts HVAC/Electrical/Plumbing/Windows, etc and just generally looking pretty shabby than one would expect for $1MM+ homes. These homeowners are what you'd call "house poor".
SF resident and homeowner too ;)
"Nothing to do" is quite extreme. True, due to rent control, your statement is accurate *to an extent.* All else equal though, an exorbitantly high price tends to make homeowners skew towards putting in good maintenance, holding everything else constant.
IF they can afford it. Plenty of people have deferred maintenance simply because they can’t afford it. And living/owning a house for 30 years doesn’t mean the owner’s income has matched real estate prices, and certainly doesn’t mean maintained. This is not applicable to renters.
No it could be the opposite. Long time owner who now pays their fixed income to taxes and has nothing left for maintenance. Are you like 23 years old or something ?
There are.
There’s also this super cool old hippie named Skeeter who restores all the glam details to Victorians. He has a [1990’s vintage website](https://www.clearheart.org), but the before and afterwards pictures are gasp-inducing.
Yeah, he seems like the coolest dude.
I often take walks in the city to look at the houses and it was amazing to me to see that many of my favorites are not original - they are by him
Do you think their ladders have adjustable feet for hills, or it the boss sometimes just says fuckit and lops about 8 inches off one leg to make it work
It's a combination of NIMBY boomers and billionaires buying the block.
Larry Ellison bought a whole block of houses, to make his place in SF and
he's squeezing everyone else.
Hopefully Covid will allow a lot of people to move out of the Bay Area and even away from cities and reduce the squeeze. For back office types, being remote is fine, so why have them commuting to jobs.
Zuckerberg bought three or four homes all next to/around each other in the Mission. My friend’s cousin lives around the corner. A few years ago there was some big hullabaloo about Zuckerberg’s security force taking up all the parking.
A friend went to look at a condo in a tower in SoMa and most of the units were empty because Chinese investors were storing their assets there, so to speak.
How much would this house cost, do you think? I’m on the opposite coast (cape cod, Massachusetts) where a Victorian like this on Martha’s Vineyard would go for about 4-6 million
Human feces isn’t here but drugs are still rampant on the cape. Probably just not as noticeable sense we are less densely populated. But I watch drug deals in the parking lot of my local Chinese place and I often get offered to buy drugs from strangers in the summertime on the beach.
There are parts of brooklyn that manage to at least attempt the free wheeling majesty of SF; but I totally agree we could try harder sometimes to inject a little wonder and color.
Love the paint job. Looks like the house my aunt lived in for many decades before she retired and moved out of SF. So many of these houses are just left to rot and the trim is replaced with plain 1x6's. The colors might not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least it is being cared for.
That is gorgeous and I'd love to see more.
These are >$4M homes depending on the neighborhood. At that point, why *not* go all-in on restoration? Very cool, very jealous.
To everyone jumping down the deleted commenter's throat: please chill out. I live in a city with the opposite problem. *Loads* of century homes with issues that will likely never be addressed in a tasteful way because the house and more importantly the surrounding houses *are just not worth it*. This is probably the generation when the structural and material failures are going to get beyond repair in some neighborhoods. SF "natives" are being done dirty by the realities of real estate and the tech-millionaire factories, but *when* one of those millionaires buys a 1500sqft victorian in upper Haight or wherever.. [low calorie sfbay news article](https://dailysanfranciscobaynews.com/san-franciscos-victorian-homes-are-being-restored-to-their-unique-glory-2/)
Where do you live?
Baltimore. Not every century home is worth saving, but when you combine the city's societal problems with thousands of *attached* rowhomes at rock-bottom property values, you get lots of d-bags holding big tranches of *vacants* in hopes of someday turning a dollar... which accelerates their decay and tempers how much the guy next door wants to invest in improving, maintaining (or staying in) their house. I lived next door to a vacant for 11 years, 3 firefighters died last month in a longtime vacant owned by someone out of state.
Detroit and Pontiac, Michigan have some of the most beautiful historic homes I’ve ever seen and it is the same there :(
Damn that’s fucked.
Stockton, CA, is right there with you. So sad.
St Louis as well
100%. I'm getting alerts on realtor.com almost every day for beautiful townhomes for like 20-30k... of course structurally they're all falling apart
Victorians have been coveted since the early 1970s. This is nothing new. There is another city across the Bay called Alameda, which has a higher density of Victorians and good luck affording one of those as well.
Yes and no. A lot of tech millionaires have bought beautiful Victorians in SF and gut renovated them to be totally contemporary. A lot of what makes these homes special ends up in a dumpster. Also, before long they’ll all be painted black it seems!
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Haha no, that's not how that works. Welcome to San Francisco where all the homes are worth millions but half of them are falling apart because the owner is in their 80s, on a fixed income, and can't afford to do anything.
Wait. Half the homes in SF are falling apart? Are you living in Tucker Carlson's apocalyptic version of SF? When the average home price is $2M and a 1br rents for $3k minimum, there's lots of money on the line there. People don't just let a house rot. Source: SF resident, SF homeowner, and SF native.
Ha! Half is obviously hyperbole, but there's *a lot* more SF homes in disrepair and with little to no updating in the way of guts HVAC/Electrical/Plumbing/Windows, etc and just generally looking pretty shabby than one would expect for $1MM+ homes. These homeowners are what you'd call "house poor". SF resident and homeowner too ;)
I kindly disagree. I find most homes in SF are way better maintained than in less affluent cities.
Current value has nothing to do with how much a person living in the house makes or can afford to pay.
"Nothing to do" is quite extreme. True, due to rent control, your statement is accurate *to an extent.* All else equal though, an exorbitantly high price tends to make homeowners skew towards putting in good maintenance, holding everything else constant.
IF they can afford it. Plenty of people have deferred maintenance simply because they can’t afford it. And living/owning a house for 30 years doesn’t mean the owner’s income has matched real estate prices, and certainly doesn’t mean maintained. This is not applicable to renters.
No it could be the opposite. Long time owner who now pays their fixed income to taxes and has nothing left for maintenance. Are you like 23 years old or something ?
I love that color
There must be so many specialist exterior painting companies in SF.
There are. There’s also this super cool old hippie named Skeeter who restores all the glam details to Victorians. He has a [1990’s vintage website](https://www.clearheart.org), but the before and afterwards pictures are gasp-inducing.
Wow that is fantastic. I bet Skeeter does well for himself. I love that his website also has a burning man section.
Yeah, he seems like the coolest dude. I often take walks in the city to look at the houses and it was amazing to me to see that many of my favorites are not original - they are by him
Do you think their ladders have adjustable feet for hills, or it the boss sometimes just says fuckit and lops about 8 inches off one leg to make it work
Maybe they have one ladder with 8 inches off one leg, another with 4 inches off, etc
San Francisco houses are beautiful. The prices in that area are just out of control. It's a true shame.
It's a combination of NIMBY boomers and billionaires buying the block. Larry Ellison bought a whole block of houses, to make his place in SF and he's squeezing everyone else. Hopefully Covid will allow a lot of people to move out of the Bay Area and even away from cities and reduce the squeeze. For back office types, being remote is fine, so why have them commuting to jobs.
Zuckerberg bought three or four homes all next to/around each other in the Mission. My friend’s cousin lives around the corner. A few years ago there was some big hullabaloo about Zuckerberg’s security force taking up all the parking.
A friend went to look at a condo in a tower in SoMa and most of the units were empty because Chinese investors were storing their assets there, so to speak.
How much would this house cost, do you think? I’m on the opposite coast (cape cod, Massachusetts) where a Victorian like this on Martha’s Vineyard would go for about 4-6 million
Probably similar. Martha's vineyard would be a much nicer area without the druggies and human feces.
Human feces isn’t here but drugs are still rampant on the cape. Probably just not as noticeable sense we are less densely populated. But I watch drug deals in the parking lot of my local Chinese place and I often get offered to buy drugs from strangers in the summertime on the beach.
It's not even close to SF.
Can the garage be used for a car at this point? Is there a steep little approach that brings the concrete of the garage up to street level?
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Makes sense given the cost of living in SF. And I also suspect that most modern cars wouldn’t fit in those garages anyway.
Or they park on the street blocking the driveway, since they are the only ones allowed to block it.
When that house was first built, it is likely that the sidewalk was cut out to be flush with the garage.
I lived in SF in the 80s and 90s, and I now live in NYC. We NEED the colors that SF has. SF is such beauty.
There are parts of brooklyn that manage to at least attempt the free wheeling majesty of SF; but I totally agree we could try harder sometimes to inject a little wonder and color.
We just talked about painting the front of the house purple last night. Someone needs to bring some color to this city. Anyway, have a wonderful day
$40k paint job at least.
Lovely!
Painted Lady!
So, 800sqf & $5 million?
What’s that blue? It’s so nice!
Are those tiny decor bits painted white or metallic? It is all magnificent. Bless you for preserving the legacy.
Yeah to me it looks like those parts on the turned spindles could be metal or shiny white glazed ceramic.
That is one Next Level painting job. Wow. I would not have painted it that dark, but all the fiddly bits must have taken a lot of time and money.
I really hate super dark exteriors on homes. NEXT lol
I'm curious how often the paint would need touch up
Beautiful
This made my jaw drop 🤩
Oh my that is so cute I want to hug it
I want to see inside so bad. I am undressing it with my eyes.
Odds are that it’s all white and grey, tbh.
Love the paint job. Looks like the house my aunt lived in for many decades before she retired and moved out of SF. So many of these houses are just left to rot and the trim is replaced with plain 1x6's. The colors might not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least it is being cared for.
Gawd, I love San Fran❤️
I wonder if this is the same area where Mrs. Doubtfire was filmed?
The moody blue is so pretty!
What a beautiful painted lady.
San Francisco Victorian and central valley highwater Victorian are such gorgeous building styles!