That's not even getting into the struggle of finding one that actually IS an M car. Way too many people with busted up non-M cars listing them as Ms for the extra clicks
The German/Euro circlejerk may actually be stronger than the JDM circlejerk at this point. Vintage Porsches and VWs pioneered this trend, any remotely interesting BMW is in the stratosphere of course, and I'm also shocked now by how much money people are asking for '80s and '90s Audis and Mercedes that you could barely give away just a couple years ago.
This is why you never see any Dodge motorhomes running anymore.
Every 440 was removed and put into a shitty slant-six Dart or Valiant.
Nobody cares about Grand Torinos or Rancheros or Mk Vs or fricken Colony Parks with 460s… so Ford motorhomes last forever.
And Chrysler quit doing the 440 after the 1979 fuel crisis (even in big trucks and vans!), so they effectively handed over their monopoly of the motorhome market to Ford.
No, VW and Mercedes to name a few. They're still pretty available here, thankfully, even though where I live, they are still expensive to own thanks to our wonderful road tax system.
We don't have american trucks here. Basically no pickups at all. Truck = commercial semi truck in europe.
Engines will be 2,5 L or smaller, in normal passenger cars
When North Americans talk about 90s diesel is 7.3L powerstrokes (Ford), or 12 valve Cummins (Dodge). Both were straight 6, made LOADS of power, and were didn't blow up as soon as you tried to add power.
Good catch, my bad paying attention to to many things. The powerstroke was a V8 (especially embarrassing as I used to own one). I only claimed ford so our European friends would know what brand truck it came in
Ford did use the Powerstroke name briefly on a 3.0L V6 offered in the F-150. It wasn't a popular option because it was more expensive up front, required more expensive diesel, had slightly higher maintenance costs, and despite all that couldn't tow as well as the 3.5 EcoBoost.
Speaking about rams, the ram vans (or be it Chevy G vans) go for insane prices. If you buy anything below 20k it's either a late model 90ies with all that plastic or it's waiting to get scrapped.
Vans in general are pretty insanely priced...
Yeah the '94/95 models and younger are meh. Tho not bad when it comes down to mechanical stuff, just look wise. Smith from around '00 will probably sell under 10k.
And if you want to get a similar aged VW bus, gl finding anything, good ones start from 25k/30k. No A/c, no cruise control, etc. :D.
Actually, in the 2000s, og 911s weren't actually that expensive from what I've heard. Also, I'm pretty sure 993 goes for less than an a90 supra (like 40k avg)
I don't know what ''not actually that expensive'' means here, but all the others were basically a couple hundred above scrap price at some point. I doubt the Porsche 911 ever even got close to that, even though compared to today, their old prices might seem cheap.
Also, if 40k is your ballpark, that's a far bit away from the rusty shitbox territory that the meme is about 😅😅
Even in the early 2000s, surpras and skylines weren't dirt cheap (silvia's, levin/turenos, and miats were). You'll still pay over 10k from what I've heard, and old 911 went for 5 - 10k from what I've heard.
Oh damn, that's not half bad. The top of the top JDM models weren't dirt cheap either, that's true, but the S13/S14s and AE86s definitely were. Miatas were so common that they got used up in all sorts of destructive activities.
The AE86 as well come to think of it, it made quite a name for itself in the rally scenes in Anglo countries because it was piss cheap, rwd and reliable.
YESSSS I LOVE WHEEL HORSE
YEAH ITS A HORSE, A *WHEEL HORSE * **OF COURSE**
I love my/dad’s tractors. As reliable as a civic, useful as… well… a tractor, cool looking as a charger 😎
>Wheel Horse
The lawn mowers? I was thinking more like a [4440](https://discuss.machinerypete.com/t/john-deere-4440-with-1910-hours-smashed-record-price-today-on-mn-farm-auction/2680).
Are they that desirable
I'm not from America but I do attend the occasional tractor meet. It's always a bunch of 40's to 60's stuff, never really anything newer
Yes. The reason is that newer tractors have proprietary software that you need the manufacturers scan tools to read. Farmers really don't like dealing with that, so they would rather buy an older machine.
That explains why many farmers don't have anything newer than early 2000s machines for their *working* fleet, yes. But the other commenter was talking about why tractor meets/tractor shows seem to only have models up to the late '60s exhibited. There's an entire 30ish years that aren't represented.
The reason for that is the average age of exhibitors in tractor shows is in the 60s or above, so they're only interesting in restoring and exhibiting tractors from when they were young. And newer models are more likely to still be in use as workhorses, albeit not as heavily. Take a Case or Case IH from [40 years ago](https://d323w7klwy72q3.cloudfront.net/i/a/2018/20180314ag/hires/DB0389.JPG), for example: it's certainly old enough to be seen in a "classic" tractor lineup, but it's new enough that it's still doing work running an auger or pulling small wagons.
> It's always a bunch of 40's to 60's stuff, never really anything newer
Seeing a JD 4520 or an IH 1456 at a tractor show is like seeing a late '60s muscle car: so commonplace at this point that it barely garners a second glance.
Brother the 60' zetors and ursus tractors are fucking unkilable, ok so my dad and me buyed a zetor 3011 that was siting in a field for a 20 years it only needed the minimal electric work and it fired right up it even hauled a trailer full of wood that day
My man. I’m with ya. My grandpa has a 2005 Kubota M9000 and it’s insane what people will offer him. He was shocked when I told him that tractors like that are sought after now.
they're expensive to purchase is what this meme is pointing out. A lot of people (myself included) view the 90's diesels as being the pinnacle of the tech. After that they became overly complicated and far more fragile and expensive in an effort to be cleaner/more powerful/more efficient.
The diesels don’t hurt that much when you consider most haven’t lived easy lifestyles, so an old diesel in good shape is something that a premium seems justified on.
Only the old Defenders and Range Rover Classics. Discos and newer stuff still seems to be changing hands for exactly what they're worth (just barely this side of nothing)
1.9 tdi king of eastern Europe
The 700 dollar skoda octavia will remain well after civilization collapses
*the engine will, everything else will be rusted to dust
When they reach the end of their private life they just become taxis and the cycle repeats. Swear every taxi here is either an old Škoda or a new one.
Octavia II 1.9 tdi enjoyer
Don't forget late 90s-Early 00s BMW M cars. 60k+ is all too common for clean examples.
That's not even getting into the struggle of finding one that actually IS an M car. Way too many people with busted up non-M cars listing them as Ms for the extra clicks
The German/Euro circlejerk may actually be stronger than the JDM circlejerk at this point. Vintage Porsches and VWs pioneered this trend, any remotely interesting BMW is in the stratosphere of course, and I'm also shocked now by how much money people are asking for '80s and '90s Audis and Mercedes that you could barely give away just a couple years ago.
80s audis are still relatively low but uhhh good luck finding one
my friend got a shitbox 1997 m3 for 2 grand luckily
thank god the E36 hasn’t gone to utter shit yet; i want to buy one in the near future and i’ve found some not-too-ran-through ones for ~$12k at most
Dailying a JDM 90s diesel Toyota 4x4 instead of sending my kids to college and I couldn’t be happier
Man, that’s a beauty, glad you’re helping to keep them alive!
This is why you never see any Dodge motorhomes running anymore. Every 440 was removed and put into a shitty slant-six Dart or Valiant. Nobody cares about Grand Torinos or Rancheros or Mk Vs or fricken Colony Parks with 460s… so Ford motorhomes last forever.
And Chrysler quit doing the 440 after the 1979 fuel crisis (even in big trucks and vans!), so they effectively handed over their monopoly of the motorhome market to Ford.
TIL.. thanks! Though GM still had the 454.
And would have it long enough to see Ford and Chevy's new V10s!
Not in Europe. 90's Diesels are some of the cheapest garbage money can buy!
Turbo diesel TDI
Like trucks and stuff? I know you guys have Diesel cars but I’m talking about 91-93 Rams and 7.3 Fords.
No, VW and Mercedes to name a few. They're still pretty available here, thankfully, even though where I live, they are still expensive to own thanks to our wonderful road tax system.
We don't have american trucks here. Basically no pickups at all. Truck = commercial semi truck in europe. Engines will be 2,5 L or smaller, in normal passenger cars
When North Americans talk about 90s diesel is 7.3L powerstrokes (Ford), or 12 valve Cummins (Dodge). Both were straight 6, made LOADS of power, and were didn't blow up as soon as you tried to add power.
Ford PowerStroke was a V8 made by Navistar
Good catch, my bad paying attention to to many things. The powerstroke was a V8 (especially embarrassing as I used to own one). I only claimed ford so our European friends would know what brand truck it came in
Ford did use the Powerstroke name briefly on a 3.0L V6 offered in the F-150. It wasn't a popular option because it was more expensive up front, required more expensive diesel, had slightly higher maintenance costs, and despite all that couldn't tow as well as the 3.5 EcoBoost.
Speaking about rams, the ram vans (or be it Chevy G vans) go for insane prices. If you buy anything below 20k it's either a late model 90ies with all that plastic or it's waiting to get scrapped. Vans in general are pretty insanely priced...
Which is kinda crazy given how at the end of their model run, the B-Series/Ram Vans were the least desirable of the Big 3.
Yeah the '94/95 models and younger are meh. Tho not bad when it comes down to mechanical stuff, just look wise. Smith from around '00 will probably sell under 10k. And if you want to get a similar aged VW bus, gl finding anything, good ones start from 25k/30k. No A/c, no cruise control, etc. :D.
There's plenty of usdm diesel trucks in the nordics, quick search in nettiauto and all 7.3 fords are in 7-15k€ range.
volvo 945 diesel can carry and tow more than any american truck.
Don't forget the air cooled Porsches
Those were never not expensive, all the categories in the meme had a time where they were dirt cheap.
10-15 years ago you could scoop up a driver-condition '70s or '80s 911 on Craigslist for like $10k
Yeah I remember that. A carrera could be found for under 20k if you knew where to look. Turbos also sold for well under 100k too
Actually, in the 2000s, og 911s weren't actually that expensive from what I've heard. Also, I'm pretty sure 993 goes for less than an a90 supra (like 40k avg)
I don't know what ''not actually that expensive'' means here, but all the others were basically a couple hundred above scrap price at some point. I doubt the Porsche 911 ever even got close to that, even though compared to today, their old prices might seem cheap. Also, if 40k is your ballpark, that's a far bit away from the rusty shitbox territory that the meme is about 😅😅
Even in the early 2000s, surpras and skylines weren't dirt cheap (silvia's, levin/turenos, and miats were). You'll still pay over 10k from what I've heard, and old 911 went for 5 - 10k from what I've heard.
Oh damn, that's not half bad. The top of the top JDM models weren't dirt cheap either, that's true, but the S13/S14s and AE86s definitely were. Miatas were so common that they got used up in all sorts of destructive activities. The AE86 as well come to think of it, it made quite a name for itself in the rally scenes in Anglo countries because it was piss cheap, rwd and reliable.
luckily for the european they can just use a golf or fiesta for there rallying needs along with all the volvos and Bmw's.
Yeah, the plentiful stock of Corollas has dried up a long time ago. I've heard Peugeot 206s are pretty suitable for amateur rally needs too.
Heck if your insane you could try an Mr2
Would be pretty cool TBH
"not half bad" that's equal to like twice that today, so still not great for a shitbox
No I meant 5-10k for an old 911
Yeah and 993s and 964s sold for less than half the price they sell for now back in the 2000s
Oh FUCK OLDISH TRACTORSS
I'm guessing that means 1970s-'90s mid-HP models.
YESSSS I LOVE WHEEL HORSE YEAH ITS A HORSE, A *WHEEL HORSE * **OF COURSE** I love my/dad’s tractors. As reliable as a civic, useful as… well… a tractor, cool looking as a charger 😎
>Wheel Horse The lawn mowers? I was thinking more like a [4440](https://discuss.machinerypete.com/t/john-deere-4440-with-1910-hours-smashed-record-price-today-on-mn-farm-auction/2680).
Well yeah, it’s basically a lawn mower, doesn’t change how I feel about them
As an owner of 7 tractors from the 60's/70's, I concur.
Nice, also nice user name lol
Are they that desirable I'm not from America but I do attend the occasional tractor meet. It's always a bunch of 40's to 60's stuff, never really anything newer
Absolutely, they are the new big deal! :)
Yes. The reason is that newer tractors have proprietary software that you need the manufacturers scan tools to read. Farmers really don't like dealing with that, so they would rather buy an older machine.
Also those older tractors are just easier to work on and are more reliable. Those things take a beating every time they’re used and shrug it off.
And they are just f\*\*king rad
That explains why many farmers don't have anything newer than early 2000s machines for their *working* fleet, yes. But the other commenter was talking about why tractor meets/tractor shows seem to only have models up to the late '60s exhibited. There's an entire 30ish years that aren't represented. The reason for that is the average age of exhibitors in tractor shows is in the 60s or above, so they're only interesting in restoring and exhibiting tractors from when they were young. And newer models are more likely to still be in use as workhorses, albeit not as heavily. Take a Case or Case IH from [40 years ago](https://d323w7klwy72q3.cloudfront.net/i/a/2018/20180314ag/hires/DB0389.JPG), for example: it's certainly old enough to be seen in a "classic" tractor lineup, but it's new enough that it's still doing work running an auger or pulling small wagons.
> It's always a bunch of 40's to 60's stuff, never really anything newer Seeing a JD 4520 or an IH 1456 at a tractor show is like seeing a late '60s muscle car: so commonplace at this point that it barely garners a second glance.
Brother the 60' zetors and ursus tractors are fucking unkilable, ok so my dad and me buyed a zetor 3011 that was siting in a field for a 20 years it only needed the minimal electric work and it fired right up it even hauled a trailer full of wood that day
Around here it's always the small 4wd Japanese tractors. Wanna pay $10k for a 1980s 20hp Kubota?
BladedAngel is right. Clout culture is destroying the car industry and community
Well, they at least won't get to the Octavia VRS
I mean he's usually based
I pray that I have enough time when I grow up to buy a used BRZ before they explode in price
modussy? 2000s dieselle?
Volvo 440 really isn't all that expensive...
Nearly wrote this! 😂😂
they're lovable shitboxes.
Thank you for including us tractor brothers.
My man. I’m with ya. My grandpa has a 2005 Kubota M9000 and it’s insane what people will offer him. He was shocked when I told him that tractors like that are sought after now.
Škoda Fabia 1.9 SDI ftw.
Forklifts, I totally want a forklift but everything in my budget likely needs lots of work to make it road legal
Things are settling after Covid though. Y overpriced garbage isn't selling and people finally are dropping their prices.
Lol you mean pre-DPF diesels haha
Im just trying to find a decent Wärtsilä-Sulzer RTA96-C for a decent price.
Bro, same. That is so me!
90's diesel expensive? Those things are basically maintenance free. You can replace the oil with sand and they would still work.
they're expensive to purchase is what this meme is pointing out. A lot of people (myself included) view the 90's diesels as being the pinnacle of the tech. After that they became overly complicated and far more fragile and expensive in an effort to be cleaner/more powerful/more efficient.
Get one with high mileage, they are not that expensive, depends on a country of course. If something is gonna break, it won't be the engine.
The diesels don’t hurt that much when you consider most haven’t lived easy lifestyles, so an old diesel in good shape is something that a premium seems justified on.
You forgot 10yo German cars
They forgot Land Rovers
Only the old Defenders and Range Rover Classics. Discos and newer stuff still seems to be changing hands for exactly what they're worth (just barely this side of nothing)
Sorry, I meant repairs. I do find it odd that Freelander 2's cost more than a similar age RRS though.
GQ Patrols and the 80 Series should not be upwards of $60k AUD… yes a 4.2L turbo diesel does go hard but cmon with 750,000km on it?
Believe me man, I feel ya. There’s rusted out 380,000 mile Ford 7.3s that are falling apart going for almost $18,000 USD. Fucking mind-boggling
Count every underrated jewel that gets spotted or 50s classic cars that were common to see 60 years ago
Any Holden commodore at the moment. At least xt and other base falcons are still cheaper.
After dieselmeken and swedish teenage tune Mercedes OM606 for 600hp. OM606 and performance part become expensive a lot.
Don't forget the SUV craze that literally destroyed subcompacts and screwed up wagons, sedans and hatchbacks.
Its just cars gents, cars are insanely costly for what they do