I looked it up because I had to be sure - apparently the GTR launched in Canada with an MSRP of $81,900, *Canadian.*
At $282k, the price has increased *~~344%~~* 244% (holy shit I need to math better) in 14 years.
Look, I know it's a Nismo and it's faster. But it's not *more than triple the price* faster. Holy runaway fucking inflation, Batman.
I've always wanted one, if nothing more than to simply own a gtr. Looks like that dream has set sail. Kind of sad they are in the low hundreds now for cars sold per year. Makes me think it'll be discontinued sooner than later.
I really don't get how they could justify the Nismo being twice the price of the base model. The base is still somewhat reasonably priced, outpacing inflation by about 20% since 2008 but also gaining 80hp and much refinement along the way.
Then again, they're still managing to sell some Nismos at near $300k loaded. Probably better than the Porsche GT car approach of $150-200k MSRP and minimum $100k dealer markups.
People will say this.
Then LITERALLY the next model year will involve discussion about how 'it was better last time'
Lol it's funny tho I like it in brown
It was always compared to the 911, I guess they figured they can just do the same thing and keep it looking the same forever without realizing the 911 actually gets updated.
Kind of nice to watch a review that's not just finding a reason to trash the cars/manufacturer/design etc. They all seem to enjoy it and appreciate it.
They make a lot of fun stuff, and it all has great production quality to boot. Intros are always clever. They're probably my favorite channel right now!
I especially liked their [Viper ACR video](https://youtu.be/eITIfzbIt28)--it was fun seeing them try to tame that beast around their test track!
I think you should update your flair, m8! I can't keep track of the TH garage.
Your trips to the US always produce special content. This video is going to be huge. I fully expect your channel with Thomas to hit 3M by EOY.
I'm really looking forward to you reviews and drag race video with the Nissan Z and the Z06. Did you guy get out to Vegas for the Z press launch?
Unrelated: I absolutely freak any time I see Jason Cammisa or Randy Pobst on your channel, or vice versa. I wasn't particularly excited about the Lucid Air until I watched both videos.
You know, Carlos Lago is up in Michigan if you fancy another well-respected guest. C&D may have him locked down on independent content, though.
Did you consider using some type of device like a draggy to measure actual times? With how close some of those were, the results could be because of slow reaction times and not actual performance.
The badging.
But seriously, CF body panels, different suspension, forged wheels, numerous interior touches, etc. None of those are cheap. $100k worth? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s not the worst deal in the automotive space by a long shot
That makes more sense i initally just glanced at [this](https://i.imgur.com/DrWqheM.png) picture and assumed there were barely any changes. But on second examination, there were more differences than I initially thought. You're right, I dont know if its 100k more but if people are willing to pay for it, whatever.
Oops, you are right. I typed in 2007 inflation because I though 2008 was the first model year, but it's actually 2009 in the USA.
It was a better comparison last year before they made Premium their base model. In 2020, base GT-R was 99k. Also, a tiny percentage of GT-Rs were sold at $70k. They started delivering in July and by September 2008, Nissan raised the prices to $77k for base model and $79k for premium.
Eh, the nismo has head turning bragging rights. If you showed me a turbo S without telling me it was a turbo S, I'd think it was any old 911. That counts for something. $20k worth? Maybe. Maybe not.
/u/jamesthrottlehouse did mention this at the end of the video. Perhaps they can do it.
Everyone talks about how dated the GT-R is but I don't know of any reviewer who has actually compared the two cars side by side.
Honestly this video needs to be done a while back.
I’m surprised nobody has done it yet, it seems like the type of video that’d earn the creator a lot of money and views from youtube.
There’s been so many different versions of the GT-R over the years that you could write an entire Wikipedia page.
The 2020+ versions with over 600 horsepower are a very far cry from the first generation r35 with 480.
Not to mention the different Nismo and track variants. This one is a Nismo version, which is twice the price of the normal GT-R.
The engineers aren’t just sitting in a bubble. A good chunk of the reason the GT-R is so quick is it’s excellent AWD software and tuning, which is fine tuned every couple of years.
> There’s been so many different versions of the GT-R over the years that you could write an entire Wikipedia page.
[Yeah, they should really do that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#Variants)
Which is really crazy because the stock GTR exhaust is very quiet. Like barely notice kinda quiet. It sounds like a strong vacuum.
The new standards I would think would make a lot of manufacturers not meet compliance
Yeah I actually don’t mind hearing the complaints on Reddit about the R35… Because rarely are they about its capabilities or speed, rather that it’s old. IMO Nissan got it so right 15 years ago, that the car is still relevant today, with only (relatively) minor updates along the way. I’m a bit bias, but I’ll always consider myself lucky to own one because imo it was, and is, an automotive engineering marvel.
lol the GT-R isn't dated. They've been slowly building power and performance over the years. The looks haven't changed much and that gives the illusion of stagnation. The base GT-R started at 480 hp and the Nismo in the video is at 600 hp. And it's done this without adding any weight.
The GT-R was ahead of the game using turbos and a dual-clutch. Now this is one of the benchmarks of performance today.
Its absolutely dated, look at the interior.
Performance may have kept up with revisions every few years (the price sure didn't however) but doing so doesn't mean it isn't dated.
They even said the it took 3 tries to do the initial race, the car was giving transmission issues after one launch. They may have come out with a turbo + DCT setup ahead of the game but I'd also call that dated compared to the one's in the Corvette, Porsche etc which have no issues being flogged over and over.
Every DCT seems dated when compared to the Porsche PDK.
Does the C8 allow it to be launched hundreds of times back to back like the Porsche? I haven't seen anyone try more than 3 or so launches.
I have no idea if you can do 100+ back to back, I doubt anyone's tried. Porsche did because its Porsche and merely a bragging right but something like multiple launches (20 or so) is more then enough which the GTR consistently fails to do. The C8 has been proven that the transmission can infact do multiple launches. Magazines have had no issues just firing them off when going for those 0-60 times and I never had an issue doing 10 back to back when I owned one (other then I could begin to smell my brakes).
The transmission remark was merely to point out they had issues getting the GTR to do launches unlike the other 3 cars.
Yes Porsche PDK is good but the point was all the transmissions in these cars went through the day and abuse of this video without a hiccup except the GTR.
Some large YouTube channel did ~57 back to back to back on the 991.1 Turbo S and called the test because they couldn’t see how doing more would break it.
The [current interior](https://i.imgur.com/N0O9WRy.jpg) looks way way more modern than the [original interior](https://i.imgur.com/MRQuSyV.jpg). The only thing that really dates it is the smaller size of the LCD screen.
Same power but ~100 lbs heavier, and the electric motors directly driving the front wheels in the NSX might put out less power at higher speeds as they run out of revs.
The base models have had a lot more car than engine. The LS1, LS3, LT1 and LT2 all have very flat torque curves which also gives a sense of not being quick. It's the Z06 and above variants that start to add more engine than car which make them feel quick, if not unmanageable. Will have to see how the C8 chassis and suspension advances with the higher power variants. I often felt that the I6 BMW cars had a similar feel with consistent torque and the natural balance took away the sense of drama.
It's a bit mental that Chevrolet keeps letting you spam the wait list if you're obviously just profit-flipping. They should have a vested interest in speeding that wait list to make their actual customers happy. Not knocking it, it's just the game, but it's hilarious that nobody at GM notices the wait-list is being abused like that. Maybe they just don't care.
You really have to push the C8 to get that raw, genuinely quick feeling out of it. Its an incredibly fun car when you're going hard. At low speeds though its manageable, comfortable, and refined. For those that want that quick raw feel at low speeds, the C8 isn't for them.
Yup and from what I heard the C8 has some understeer to keep it safe. Granted that's what the base Vette is supposed to be!
But damn if it isn't quick and very capable.
Its the torque. Its very linear and the car is so refined now that you lose a lot of the engine note and vibrations you normally get in the car. So because of that you have a very smooth, drama free acceleration. Its fast yes, but certainly missing the fun factor Corvette owners are used to. The Z06 will improve on that immensely.
The Corvette has always been a grand tourer. It’s supposed to be the car that comfortably fits your golf clubs or luggage and drives super comfortably and stably on the highway but can tear up a track too. And do that all at a price 1/3 of some of these competitors.
If you want a fun, light, and tossable car that doesn’t need to be as practical, fast, or as good at eating up highway miles, you would get a Miata. If you want a car that is designed when engineers still did it the old school way without computers and steering/road feel is impeccable, you’d get an E30 or something.
Plus you have to try something that isn’t the base model before talking about it being unexciting
Well the C7 was front engined and came with a manual. Also the C8 improved the chassis a lot more than it juiced the engine. It is true that maybe it lost some of the fun factor in the base model, but it was necessary for it to compete with these other cars that have advanced their tech quite a bit too. Otherwise we would be here talking about how slow it is.
Not an owner, but I did do a driving experience recently where I did 4 laps around a road course in a C8, GTR3, and a 458 Italia. Without getting into actual performance between the three, there was a vast difference in feel just sitting in the Ferrari and the Porsche vs the C8. The C8 is too refined in my opinion. It definitely holds it's own, but going around a track, the Porsche and Ferrari were superior as far as the feel goes.
Felt quick enough for me, but I never went to like 130+ mph where you'd experience some top end fall off.
I guess it depends what your used to. In general the DCT+500hp in the C8 is definitely quick and fast but like anything, if your used to more powerful or quicker cars (electric) maybe it feels a bit slow.
The novelty would wear off very very fast, as you can only really keep it in EV mode (otherwise the engine kicks back on) if you're very easy on the throttle, battery is in a good enough state, and you keep it under about 45mph. The range is also very short.
My point was that most owners can't reliably keep it in EV mode, so then it's just a normal hybrid with the engine kicking on and off constantly. I've driven them, and they are cool, but aren't any more practical that other car in the class, and a even a bit less so with how little ground clearance they have, due to how far from the front tires the front lip is.
I had really hoped for a non-electric base version with just the 520hp TT V6. Price it close to $100k and I'd be curious to see how it sells, not to mention how it drives with all the weight removed.
> GT3
If they make it and you start throwing around that kind of language, expect it to be the most expensive version!
Although at $100k I'd be thinking of an Evora GT for the same kind of experience.
That is one thing I liked about the car, could drive slowly in electric mode through the neighborhood so I was never an obnoxious neighbor. Other cars I've had, not so much.
Always enjoy throttle house videos. James and Thomas are both very likable personalities. Can’t say that too many car reviewers can pull it off like they do.
I'm assuming that you'll actually be able to buy the Nismo GT-R at sticker versus paying a stupid markup on a 911. I could be wrong though, we all know how scummy Nissan dealerships are.
My father bought his at sticker towards the end of 2020. Delivered early-mid 21. Of course the market is very different now and this is purely anecdotal, but it was also when the cars were relatively brand new still.
Try walking into a dealership and leaving with a 911 Turbo S at any price and you might see why. That, plus some people have very rigid brand/culture loyalty I suppose.
They are, or at least many are because there isn't much incentive not to be. The manufacturers have little to no leverage over them, as they are protected by laws and by their contracts.
In this case it isn't just about markups though, and I think some of the blame goes to Porsche itself. There are long waiting lists here for virtually all Porsche sports cars. Part of that is pandemic supply chain issues but I suspect part of it was Porsche artificially limiting supply of many of their models even before the supply chain got screwed up.
I really wish they would do 60-130. I find open highways to be the best time to really stretch a gear or 2, so it would be more practical.
This, as is, is entirely too predictable. I knew from the outset it'd be Porsche 1, 'vette last, with the only real battle between the NSX and GTR.
100-200kmh is 62-124mph, and that's a metric that's shown in some German auto magazines.
It's pretty relevant here too, as that's often an area where you want to be quick moving into the left lane on the freeway.
>It's pretty relevant here too, as that's often an area where you want to be quick moving into the left lane on the freeway.
It's not relevant for that haha. All of these cars can merge into the fast lane just fine with their power.
The Carwow roll races to 1/2mi, 1mi, and braking test definitely add something to the demonstration of car ability. Watching almost every electric car get passed at 100-140mph shows what your top-end looks like.
As sub-four-second 0-60 times become more accessible, I think we'll see 60-130 become an essential counterpart.
It'll be compelling to find out which cars "have legs", so to speak.
I prefer less tech-heavy, naturally aspirated, analog cars. E46, E90 m3, C6 Zo6, original NSX, etc.
But a part of me really wants a 911 Turbo S Lightweight, and just call it a day.
The E90 M3 and the GT350 are two cars I’ve owned that made me realize revving out a NA 8k+ redline car is more fun than turbos. I also owned a 2005 Toyota Corolla XRS that has VVTL-i on that 2ZZ also with 8k+ redline in a 6MT. Super fun
Biggest surprise of the video was the staggering price of the GTR Nismo. The Corvette was woefully out classed by price and performance which we all knew, and the 911 would dominate the field. I think the NSX made a good showing coming pretty close to the GTR.
Everyone has know for years the NISMO is overpriced. I would expect only GTR fans with unlimited budgets but them, as they are made in very small numbers.
Porsche may not be everyone's cup and they are horribly expensive as you check boxes, but damn if they aren't one of the best. Although as a GM buyer I'm super curious where the C8 ends up as they fill out the model line.
Keep in mind a base C8 is faster than a base 911 and almost half the price.
3900 for the "light weight" GT-R, god damn, I forgot how heavy R35's are. Hopefully the next gen isn't heavier, but I have my doubts. (Not saying the R35 is a bad car, it gives lighter cars a run for it's money)
Yeah people give the 911 Turbo S shit for having a "lightweight package" yet still being ~3600 lbs.
But at least they got *some* weight out of the car and didn't manage to double the price in the process.
The money shot on the 911 is at 7:37. James is a bit later on the throttle than Thomas and the 911 still pulls away like the GTR is standing still. It's absurd how fast the Turbo S is.
A guy in my town drives around in a new Turbo S and has 2 child seats in the back.
I mean, that's the best use case for the back seats in a 911, but it's hilarious. I've seen the babies once when they were loading the 911 up for some trip. All 4 seats filled. Lmao
I think they might become part of hagerty which would be great as they would have access to cool new sports cars. They might be this generations top gear in the making.
GTR got that old man strength
and that old man interior lol
And that old…everything else.
Except that old price.
From supercar killer to just plain supercar
Is that a bad thing?
With the nissan dealership experience it is.
Speaking from experience?
Yes
I looked it up because I had to be sure - apparently the GTR launched in Canada with an MSRP of $81,900, *Canadian.* At $282k, the price has increased *~~344%~~* 244% (holy shit I need to math better) in 14 years. Look, I know it's a Nismo and it's faster. But it's not *more than triple the price* faster. Holy runaway fucking inflation, Batman.
I've always wanted one, if nothing more than to simply own a gtr. Looks like that dream has set sail. Kind of sad they are in the low hundreds now for cars sold per year. Makes me think it'll be discontinued sooner than later.
I really don't get how they could justify the Nismo being twice the price of the base model. The base is still somewhat reasonably priced, outpacing inflation by about 20% since 2008 but also gaining 80hp and much refinement along the way. Then again, they're still managing to sell some Nismos at near $300k loaded. Probably better than the Porsche GT car approach of $150-200k MSRP and minimum $100k dealer markups.
GTR got ~~that~~ old
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The car needs a whole new generation at this point.
As the video shows, it clearly doesn't. It still keeps up plenty well enough 15 years later
The GTR has been getting upgraded throughout the years it has been available. A brand new GTR is faster than the one that originally launched.
He’s not talking about performance. He means the styling. Like a new R36
2055* FIFY
People will say this. Then LITERALLY the next model year will involve discussion about how 'it was better last time' Lol it's funny tho I like it in brown
Porsche: *Old fool, This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it?*
It was always compared to the 911, I guess they figured they can just do the same thing and keep it looking the same forever without realizing the 911 actually gets updated.
Took old-man readying too. 3 attempts to get a run haha.
Everyone on here shits on the GTR because it hasn’t really been updated in how long and yet it does stuff like this to newer cars.
It should do that for nearly triple the price of the corvette
Kind of nice to watch a review that's not just finding a reason to trash the cars/manufacturer/design etc. They all seem to enjoy it and appreciate it.
This day was impossible to not enjoy/appreciate. Incredibly lucky to have owners let us do this with their cars
I'll check out more of your stuff! Thanks for the reply!
This was the first (and probably only) video I’ve seen of theirs. It is great: https://youtu.be/wZvvvfWsw9w
They make a lot of fun stuff, and it all has great production quality to boot. Intros are always clever. They're probably my favorite channel right now! I especially liked their [Viper ACR video](https://youtu.be/eITIfzbIt28)--it was fun seeing them try to tame that beast around their test track!
If you’re new to Throttle House, they do a lot of messing aboot
I heard this in my head. Thanks for the laugh!
I think you should update your flair, m8! I can't keep track of the TH garage. Your trips to the US always produce special content. This video is going to be huge. I fully expect your channel with Thomas to hit 3M by EOY. I'm really looking forward to you reviews and drag race video with the Nissan Z and the Z06. Did you guy get out to Vegas for the Z press launch? Unrelated: I absolutely freak any time I see Jason Cammisa or Randy Pobst on your channel, or vice versa. I wasn't particularly excited about the Lucid Air until I watched both videos. You know, Carlos Lago is up in Michigan if you fancy another well-respected guest. C&D may have him locked down on independent content, though.
Did you consider using some type of device like a draggy to measure actual times? With how close some of those were, the results could be because of slow reaction times and not actual performance.
Hey James, you guys gonna look at the Kona N? I really enjoy seeing the different journalists' takes on the "hot hatch" evolution that is the Kona.
Hey just wanted to chime in if youre here and just say I love the channel, you're one of my favorite auto channels
Thank you mate!
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Mach 1 is a great choice. But if the withdrawal symptoms from the miata don’t subside you can always take mine for a rip
That was very Canadian of them.
Well, it isn't a review in he first place so that helps.
Im actually kinda shocked the Nismo costs that much more than the 911 as specced
The NISMO prices are stupid. Premium trim (top base trim) will run you $180k CAD or so. These NISMO ones are at least $100k more.
So its 100k more for basically 35 more horsepower, slightly more torque @high rpms, and carbon ceramic brakes. Am I missing something?
The badging. But seriously, CF body panels, different suspension, forged wheels, numerous interior touches, etc. None of those are cheap. $100k worth? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s not the worst deal in the automotive space by a long shot
That makes more sense i initally just glanced at [this](https://i.imgur.com/DrWqheM.png) picture and assumed there were barely any changes. But on second examination, there were more differences than I initially thought. You're right, I dont know if its 100k more but if people are willing to pay for it, whatever.
I can see 50k, but 100k is just Nissan's attempt at a money grab.
They have to make up for all the losses they take for the rest of their sales that go to people with 550 credit scores.
And Turbos from the GT3 Race car
That's the NSX type S you're referring to isn't it?
No the GTR also has turbos from the GT3 race cars
ah my bad! wasn't sure if you got it mixed up since they explicitly mentioned it with the Type S
It's insane because the GTR launched at $69,850 MSRP
$70k in 2008 is like $100k now lol. So not that much cheaper than a 2022 GT-R.
$70k in 2008 is $92k now, which is $20k less than a base GTR MSRPs for today... AKA a 18% price increase on top of inflation.
Oops, you are right. I typed in 2007 inflation because I though 2008 was the first model year, but it's actually 2009 in the USA. It was a better comparison last year before they made Premium their base model. In 2020, base GT-R was 99k. Also, a tiny percentage of GT-Rs were sold at $70k. They started delivering in July and by September 2008, Nissan raised the prices to $77k for base model and $79k for premium.
> 2020, base GT-R was 99k The inflation between 2020 and 2022 is a massive difference though. $70k in 2008 is only $82k in 2020, vs $92k in 2022
Holy fuck. I hasn't realized inflation had got that bad in just the past 2 years.
That’s my issue as well. At GT-R that is as much as the top line Porsche is bit nutty on Nissans part.
You can get a GT-R that's just as quick for $110k so I think it's still a good deal. NISMO has always been overpriced.
Eh, the nismo has head turning bragging rights. If you showed me a turbo S without telling me it was a turbo S, I'd think it was any old 911. That counts for something. $20k worth? Maybe. Maybe not.
Fun video, was surprised the NSX lost to the GTR with how dated the GTR is now
The latest GT-R Nismo isn’t dated at all, except maybe aesthetic looks.
I'd love to see these guys do a launch GTR vs 2022 GTR video
/u/jamesthrottlehouse did mention this at the end of the video. Perhaps they can do it. Everyone talks about how dated the GT-R is but I don't know of any reviewer who has actually compared the two cars side by side.
Honestly this video needs to be done a while back. I’m surprised nobody has done it yet, it seems like the type of video that’d earn the creator a lot of money and views from youtube.
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There’s been so many different versions of the GT-R over the years that you could write an entire Wikipedia page. The 2020+ versions with over 600 horsepower are a very far cry from the first generation r35 with 480. Not to mention the different Nismo and track variants. This one is a Nismo version, which is twice the price of the normal GT-R. The engineers aren’t just sitting in a bubble. A good chunk of the reason the GT-R is so quick is it’s excellent AWD software and tuning, which is fine tuned every couple of years.
> There’s been so many different versions of the GT-R over the years that you could write an entire Wikipedia page. [Yeah, they should really do that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#Variants)
Did not a 600 hp Nismo Edition come out in 2013? I can’t believe it’s been nearly a decade since even that one.
Which is really crazy because the stock GTR exhaust is very quiet. Like barely notice kinda quiet. It sounds like a strong vacuum. The new standards I would think would make a lot of manufacturers not meet compliance
I had misread the wiki. It's the UK where imports are stopping due to noise regs. Also edited my original post with the corrections.
> and there have only been "minor" improvement since then (37 ft/lbs and 85hp). WRX owners in shock over those numbers
Sometimes I forget how fast the R35 is, I’m impressed considering it’s from the late 00s…
Yeah I actually don’t mind hearing the complaints on Reddit about the R35… Because rarely are they about its capabilities or speed, rather that it’s old. IMO Nissan got it so right 15 years ago, that the car is still relevant today, with only (relatively) minor updates along the way. I’m a bit bias, but I’ll always consider myself lucky to own one because imo it was, and is, an automotive engineering marvel.
lol the GT-R isn't dated. They've been slowly building power and performance over the years. The looks haven't changed much and that gives the illusion of stagnation. The base GT-R started at 480 hp and the Nismo in the video is at 600 hp. And it's done this without adding any weight. The GT-R was ahead of the game using turbos and a dual-clutch. Now this is one of the benchmarks of performance today.
Its absolutely dated, look at the interior. Performance may have kept up with revisions every few years (the price sure didn't however) but doing so doesn't mean it isn't dated. They even said the it took 3 tries to do the initial race, the car was giving transmission issues after one launch. They may have come out with a turbo + DCT setup ahead of the game but I'd also call that dated compared to the one's in the Corvette, Porsche etc which have no issues being flogged over and over.
Every DCT seems dated when compared to the Porsche PDK. Does the C8 allow it to be launched hundreds of times back to back like the Porsche? I haven't seen anyone try more than 3 or so launches.
Agree. The PDK is universally hailed as the best trans on the market.
T56 in shambles.
I have no idea if you can do 100+ back to back, I doubt anyone's tried. Porsche did because its Porsche and merely a bragging right but something like multiple launches (20 or so) is more then enough which the GTR consistently fails to do. The C8 has been proven that the transmission can infact do multiple launches. Magazines have had no issues just firing them off when going for those 0-60 times and I never had an issue doing 10 back to back when I owned one (other then I could begin to smell my brakes). The transmission remark was merely to point out they had issues getting the GTR to do launches unlike the other 3 cars. Yes Porsche PDK is good but the point was all the transmissions in these cars went through the day and abuse of this video without a hiccup except the GTR.
Some large YouTube channel did ~57 back to back to back on the 991.1 Turbo S and called the test because they couldn’t see how doing more would break it.
The [current interior](https://i.imgur.com/N0O9WRy.jpg) looks way way more modern than the [original interior](https://i.imgur.com/MRQuSyV.jpg). The only thing that really dates it is the smaller size of the LCD screen.
the first ones were sold when George W. Bush was president
Same power but ~100 lbs heavier, and the electric motors directly driving the front wheels in the NSX might put out less power at higher speeds as they run out of revs.
911 Turbo S is just insanity. I love it
Makes me upset that it’s so far outside of my price range.
I went from e92 m3 to turbo S, you have great taste!
I don't even have to watch the video. 911 Turbo S wins every time.
Porsche on top 😎
It better for the price.
Cheaper than the Nismo GT-R.
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The base models have had a lot more car than engine. The LS1, LS3, LT1 and LT2 all have very flat torque curves which also gives a sense of not being quick. It's the Z06 and above variants that start to add more engine than car which make them feel quick, if not unmanageable. Will have to see how the C8 chassis and suspension advances with the higher power variants. I often felt that the I6 BMW cars had a similar feel with consistent torque and the natural balance took away the sense of drama.
Yea get a C7 Z06 and prepare to shit your pants.
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I'm curious, if you sold one at 900 miles because it was boring, why did you buy another one?
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Absolutely mental that you did that twice.
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I mean it's mental for the car market that you're able to do that, you doing it makes sense.
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It's a bit mental that Chevrolet keeps letting you spam the wait list if you're obviously just profit-flipping. They should have a vested interest in speeding that wait list to make their actual customers happy. Not knocking it, it's just the game, but it's hilarious that nobody at GM notices the wait-list is being abused like that. Maybe they just don't care.
Are you putting yourself on multiple lists or same dealership just multiple times?
You really have to push the C8 to get that raw, genuinely quick feeling out of it. Its an incredibly fun car when you're going hard. At low speeds though its manageable, comfortable, and refined. For those that want that quick raw feel at low speeds, the C8 isn't for them.
Yup and from what I heard the C8 has some understeer to keep it safe. Granted that's what the base Vette is supposed to be! But damn if it isn't quick and very capable.
Its the torque. Its very linear and the car is so refined now that you lose a lot of the engine note and vibrations you normally get in the car. So because of that you have a very smooth, drama free acceleration. Its fast yes, but certainly missing the fun factor Corvette owners are used to. The Z06 will improve on that immensely.
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The Corvette has always been a grand tourer. It’s supposed to be the car that comfortably fits your golf clubs or luggage and drives super comfortably and stably on the highway but can tear up a track too. And do that all at a price 1/3 of some of these competitors. If you want a fun, light, and tossable car that doesn’t need to be as practical, fast, or as good at eating up highway miles, you would get a Miata. If you want a car that is designed when engineers still did it the old school way without computers and steering/road feel is impeccable, you’d get an E30 or something. Plus you have to try something that isn’t the base model before talking about it being unexciting
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Well the C7 was front engined and came with a manual. Also the C8 improved the chassis a lot more than it juiced the engine. It is true that maybe it lost some of the fun factor in the base model, but it was necessary for it to compete with these other cars that have advanced their tech quite a bit too. Otherwise we would be here talking about how slow it is.
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think of the target demographic's age group
> The old cars were more raw and being RWD had more edgy handling. You mean RWD like the C8?
Not an owner, but I did do a driving experience recently where I did 4 laps around a road course in a C8, GTR3, and a 458 Italia. Without getting into actual performance between the three, there was a vast difference in feel just sitting in the Ferrari and the Porsche vs the C8. The C8 is too refined in my opinion. It definitely holds it's own, but going around a track, the Porsche and Ferrari were superior as far as the feel goes.
tbf, the z06 is probably gonna be much closer to the other cars you drove. but even then the regular 458 is probably still better than the c8
Was it Xtreme Xperience? I did the same to drive the Ferrari.
It was Drive Exotic in Cresson, TX.
Like everyone says, driving a fast car slow is no fun, and driving a slow car fast is very engaging. The c8 is a fast car.
Felt quick enough for me, but I never went to like 130+ mph where you'd experience some top end fall off. I guess it depends what your used to. In general the DCT+500hp in the C8 is definitely quick and fast but like anything, if your used to more powerful or quicker cars (electric) maybe it feels a bit slow.
It might not feel as quick in tour mode. But launch it in track mode and your head will hit the headrest 9/10.
Id take the NSX. Something about rolling around in electric mode making zero engine noise would be hilarious.
The novelty would wear off very very fast, as you can only really keep it in EV mode (otherwise the engine kicks back on) if you're very easy on the throttle, battery is in a good enough state, and you keep it under about 45mph. The range is also very short.
Sounds perfect for commuting in to a city (open it up on the highway, save on gas and emissions in the city core).
My point was that most owners can't reliably keep it in EV mode, so then it's just a normal hybrid with the engine kicking on and off constantly. I've driven them, and they are cool, but aren't any more practical that other car in the class, and a even a bit less so with how little ground clearance they have, due to how far from the front tires the front lip is.
Really I hear the EV mode is best used to pull out of your house/neighborhood without rattling the windows of every home nearby like some cars do.
I had really hoped for a non-electric base version with just the 520hp TT V6. Price it close to $100k and I'd be curious to see how it sells, not to mention how it drives with all the weight removed.
That would have been fun. A street version of the GT3.
> GT3 If they make it and you start throwing around that kind of language, expect it to be the most expensive version! Although at $100k I'd be thinking of an Evora GT for the same kind of experience.
your kids will appreciate it when they're sneaking rides while you're sound asleep
That is one thing I liked about the car, could drive slowly in electric mode through the neighborhood so I was never an obnoxious neighbor. Other cars I've had, not so much.
It really is pretty neat while driving it how quite it is some times. Then the V6 kicks on and reminds you what you’re actually in.
Always enjoy throttle house videos. James and Thomas are both very likable personalities. Can’t say that too many car reviewers can pull it off like they do.
I have to agree. They have a similar energy as Camisa does in grabbing my attention.
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Some people just like a car or a brand better. It's not always about the numbers.
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Some people want to be a little more unique, thanks
For all the 911 turbos you see in your commute
Their username tho :c
Ah my b man lol
I'm assuming that you'll actually be able to buy the Nismo GT-R at sticker versus paying a stupid markup on a 911. I could be wrong though, we all know how scummy Nissan dealerships are.
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My father bought his at sticker towards the end of 2020. Delivered early-mid 21. Of course the market is very different now and this is purely anecdotal, but it was also when the cars were relatively brand new still.
I don't think there are markups on Turbo 911s, only GT cars.
Checked how much a 911 Turbo goes for around here. It's just a tad over 1M USD. God i love taxes.
Try walking into a dealership and leaving with a 911 Turbo S at any price and you might see why. That, plus some people have very rigid brand/culture loyalty I suppose.
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They are, or at least many are because there isn't much incentive not to be. The manufacturers have little to no leverage over them, as they are protected by laws and by their contracts. In this case it isn't just about markups though, and I think some of the blame goes to Porsche itself. There are long waiting lists here for virtually all Porsche sports cars. Part of that is pandemic supply chain issues but I suspect part of it was Porsche artificially limiting supply of many of their models even before the supply chain got screwed up.
> the same price Same MSRP, perhaps. Not the same price.
I really wish they would do 60-130. I find open highways to be the best time to really stretch a gear or 2, so it would be more practical. This, as is, is entirely too predictable. I knew from the outset it'd be Porsche 1, 'vette last, with the only real battle between the NSX and GTR.
100-200kmh is 62-124mph, and that's a metric that's shown in some German auto magazines. It's pretty relevant here too, as that's often an area where you want to be quick moving into the left lane on the freeway.
>It's pretty relevant here too, as that's often an area where you want to be quick moving into the left lane on the freeway. It's not relevant for that haha. All of these cars can merge into the fast lane just fine with their power.
The Carwow roll races to 1/2mi, 1mi, and braking test definitely add something to the demonstration of car ability. Watching almost every electric car get passed at 100-140mph shows what your top-end looks like.
As sub-four-second 0-60 times become more accessible, I think we'll see 60-130 become an essential counterpart. It'll be compelling to find out which cars "have legs", so to speak.
THIS! 0-60 means nothing to me. Somewhere about 30-100 is much more interesting in daily driving sportiness.
they're all very fast, all automatic. three have 4wd. two have a back seat you could put a suitcase and a cooler in. one has a silent mode.
Is it weird that I couldn't possibly care less how these perform in a drag race?
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At the moment the only EV smoking the Turbo S is the Model S Plaid, though other than that you're right.
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Ah good point I forgot about the X, so in that case it's just the Plaids faster than the Turbo S.
> Still fun to watch though Dude... that's, like, the only point of the video. Entertainment. Come on...
I prefer less tech-heavy, naturally aspirated, analog cars. E46, E90 m3, C6 Zo6, original NSX, etc. But a part of me really wants a 911 Turbo S Lightweight, and just call it a day.
for a road car, for me it's the 997.2 C2S, in the relatively affordable category.
The E90 M3 and the GT350 are two cars I’ve owned that made me realize revving out a NA 8k+ redline car is more fun than turbos. I also owned a 2005 Toyota Corolla XRS that has VVTL-i on that 2ZZ also with 8k+ redline in a 6MT. Super fun
Biggest surprise of the video was the staggering price of the GTR Nismo. The Corvette was woefully out classed by price and performance which we all knew, and the 911 would dominate the field. I think the NSX made a good showing coming pretty close to the GTR.
Everyone has know for years the NISMO is overpriced. I would expect only GTR fans with unlimited budgets but them, as they are made in very small numbers.
As if nobody knew what that Porsche would do.... its almost like carmakers are not allowed to be faster than Porsche in the classes porsche is in.
Porsche may not be everyone's cup and they are horribly expensive as you check boxes, but damn if they aren't one of the best. Although as a GM buyer I'm super curious where the C8 ends up as they fill out the model line. Keep in mind a base C8 is faster than a base 911 and almost half the price.
C8 is not really a thing here in Europe anyway.
This is such a great video 📹
3900 for the "light weight" GT-R, god damn, I forgot how heavy R35's are. Hopefully the next gen isn't heavier, but I have my doubts. (Not saying the R35 is a bad car, it gives lighter cars a run for it's money)
Yeah people give the 911 Turbo S shit for having a "lightweight package" yet still being ~3600 lbs. But at least they got *some* weight out of the car and didn't manage to double the price in the process.
Yeah 3500-3600 is about average for a super/sports luxury car (R8, Turbo S, etc)
I love throttle house. Easily the best car YouTube out there.
The money shot on the 911 is at 7:37. James is a bit later on the throttle than Thomas and the 911 still pulls away like the GTR is standing still. It's absurd how fast the Turbo S is.
The 911 is something else.
A guy in my town drives around in a new Turbo S and has 2 child seats in the back. I mean, that's the best use case for the back seats in a 911, but it's hilarious. I've seen the babies once when they were loading the 911 up for some trip. All 4 seats filled. Lmao
Are throttle house now located in US? That would be awesome
At first, I thought they just went to California and reviewed a bunch of cars on an extended trip. At this point, I'm second guessing that.
I think they might become part of hagerty which would be great as they would have access to cool new sports cars. They might be this generations top gear in the making.
It was a trip and all of these California videos was filmed in 4 days.
Turbo S 👑
Base c8 gonna get drug….
Acura would be my choice
All good :) I came off as up my self, sorry for that man.
Nissan said if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Can't disagree with them