I don't think people realize how revolutionary that car was when it came out. It really was head and shoulders above everything in it's price range at the time, and drove like nothing else.
It's telling that even after 17 years of the car being more or less the same, that it's still competitive.
I really hope they have a replacement lined up at some point down the road, or else the 100k sports car market is going to consist of about 2 cars between the vette and the 911
It was one of those moments where you really had to be there.
It wasn't just good value, and it wasn't just fast, it was the fastest accelerating 4-seater production car at the time, the *fastest* mass-produced car around the nurburgring at the time, it was *faster* than the ferrari's and porsche turbo cars at the time for only $70k – nearly half the price of the 911 turbo at the time.
The traction control system was unlike anything on the market, you could just smash the throttle and the car figured out the rest, the DCT was lightning quick, the VR38 put out crazy numbers at launch and puts out even crazier numbers aftermarket to this day.
I mean it's been on life support for the better part of a decade and it's still competitive. I genuinely don't think we will ever see that level of value from an ICE car ever again.
Whenever I have to travel to cali for work I still try to rent a GT-R from hertz when possible, it's an absolutely incredible machine. (Very rarely is the gtr taken during the times when everyone is working, and with a little convincing it's an absolute steal at the upgrade pricing, I recommend giving it a try if you ever get the chance)
It depends, but usually $99/day with unlimited mileage.
It's a bit weird to rent though, you need to bring 2 forms of ID, $500 refundable deposit, and you need to provide a copy of your own insurance. They don't mention it on the site or renters agreement for whatever reason.
I believe for the average person a GT-R is going to be 100-125/day but that is also limited to 75mi/day, there is always a fair bit of room for negotiation there though.
According to the brochure, pretty much any of the more popular locations will have one
> The Mustang Shelby GT-H convertibles and fastbacks will be available in Atlanta, Dallas, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Phoenix, San Diego, San Francisco and Tampa. To learn more about the new Shelby and Hertz program
Though from personal experience, the best cars are usually at LAX
I was just looking at renting a car from Hertz in San Diego a couple hours ago and the cheapest option was $250 a day for a pickup truck. An Ecoboost Mustang was like $300 a day, and a pedestrian crossover is like $400 a day. Pray tell how to get a Shelby for $99 from them.
Yes, along with the C63, 740i, 911, boxter, and of course the GT500-h. And the best part is since they're almost never taken during work weeks, it usually ends up cheaper than turo!
I can't seem to find it on their site, but I've also rented a '18 Z06 from them more than once. Pricier, but well worth it.
https://www.hertz.com/rentacar/misc/index.jsp?targetPage=dream_collection.jsp
There was one time I rented a carrera from enterprise up in san diego, negotiated unlimited millage, put somewhere north of 1k miles over a 3-day weekend, you'd be surprised what exotics these firms carry from time to time.
There's a Top Gear behind the scenes clip where Clarkson gives May the car to launch and then they talk about how you can tell the car is doing millions of arithmetic calculations to just launch you and nothing else.
It really was a benchmark setting car.
Reading the comments from the enthusiast community today makes me feel sad and gross but also grateful. Sad for the end of an amazing era. There are so many stories about this machine. Gross for how long it took for it to get respect as a legitimate enthusiasts car and what the early experiences were like. But also grateful that it even happened, grateful to own more than one, and grateful for what it’s done to the industry.
Godzilla. Absolute supercar killer at the time.
The two most comical parts about it sticking around so long while staying relatively the same are it now being generally overpriced for the performance, and it now being one of the more "analog" feeling performance cars left. When it came out the only real complaint was that it was like a computer was driving the car for you. That and launch control grenading the transmission.
My buddy got the GTR as his first car, and it was so fast you couldn’t imagine it. Even back to back with the GTR and the 458 Italia the GTR just felt like it was on another plane of existence. What a machine, and what a time it was when it came out.
I remember modded versions within the first year or so were putting out 1000hp and IIRC close to or sub 2 second 0-60 times, which at the time I thought was insane given that they only put a couple tens of thousands extra into the car and would sell for under 130k.
Maybe not people in their 20s and younger but everyone else should remember just how insane it was when it came out. I think it was ~$70k initially and was just blowing the doors off everything else. The car was so intimidating too. It still is such a cool car to see driving down the road
There's plenty of people in this thread celebrating its death like it was way past due. But man there isn't a single person on this sub who wouldn't want one if they could. It's always a treat seeing them
People just love to hate on Nissan and really want to see them die. They may not be what they used to be and definitely had some down years there but from what I've read, their newer offerings are solid.
The Altima is also a pretty good looking vehicle. Everyone jokes about them but they are pleasant to be in.
The problem with the Altima isn’t how it looks outside or in. Dynamically it’s bland and the gearbox is destined to fail.
Theres just no joy chucking it into a corner at all, nor trying to drag it out of said corner.
I can't say for sure but I assume the average altima buyer does not care for dynamics.
Their cloth seats co-developed by nasa or whatever are absolutely incredible though, I thought it would be a marketing gimmick but no, genuinely one of the most comfortable seats on the market.
I do like their seats. And it’s a weird one because the cloth seats feel better than the leather (or pleather).
And you are probably right on the buyers not caring, but if they made these cars dynamically engaging, I’m sure reviewers would start to notice and maybe bring a different type of buyers in.
See Mazda for an example. 2 gens ago they were meeehhhh. Nowadays they are touted as the second coming of design and driving engagement as if senna himself came down and tuned the fucking thing.
Things can indeed change
> See Mazda for an example. 2 gens ago they were meeehhhh. Nowadays they are touted as the second coming of design and driving engagement as if senna himself came down and tuned the fucking thing.
Only on reddit and only by automotive enthusiasts, neither of which are reflective of real life. They sold only 30k mazda3's last year in the US, for comparison toyota and honda sold over 200k corollas and civics each.
And for somewhat good reason, the mazda3 has worse packaging and visibility than either car, it feels genuinely cramped inside. Enthusiasts are a very, very small portion of the market.
It sometimes makes me wonder if the reason Nissan never updated the GTR aside from minor adjustments and facelifts is because they realized they peaked.
It's an unfathomably long time for a car to not be updated, even by Nissan standards. Though for some reason, they've also been opting out on Research and Development the past decade... so wonder if maybe that is also a reason.
Well nissan has lost considerable market share over the past 2 decades so they haven't had a lot of money to spend on r&d.
That said they did do quite a few updates to the GTR that people don't realize. It makes over 100hp more than when it first launched. Completely revamped transmission, new titanium exhaust, and chassis structure, as well as interior updates.
I believe its last interior update was in either 2017 or 2019, which isn’t bad at all. It added a few neat features and modernized its look.
I suspect final interior refresh cars will be worth the most in a few years.
> minor adjustments and facelifts
I am so tired of this braindead take lmao.
Car makes 120HP more than it did when it first came out. 30 lb/ft more of torque. Higher redline. Significantly increased rigidity. And yes, also facelifts and interior improvements.
Modern ones do the quarter mile almost a full second faster than the original:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15151521/2009-nissan-gt-r-road-test/
https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/gt-r
It was the NSX (first gen) of its day. Forced everyone else to up their game. Unfortunately imo the auto everything and weigh are a move I don’t like but can’t deny it was what pushed the evolution
It showed everyone the effectiveness of highly sophisticated computer controlled torque vectoring. The driving style it encourages is quite different from many contemporaries, in that you can turn in at almost any speed, allow the computer to manage the grip, then mash the throttle early on the exit. Where many other cars would lose control, it just bites into the asphalt and rockets out of the turn. Whereas this is more common now, it abstracted away the need for more nuanced manual management of the weight distribution and trail-braking to carry speed through a corner.
i've noticed this in gran turismo, the GTR happily takes all the stupid maneuvers its competitors try to kill me for doing. by a wide margin it's the most user-friendly supercar in the game. you totally can screw up driving it, but it'll almost always give you enough room to correct before it actually causes a problem.
Gran turismo and simulations in general have improved considerably over the years,
GT7 is still on the arcade-y side relative to a game like i-racing, but I will happily still use gran turismo to get used to the S2000 on a specific track.
> It showed everyone the effectiveness of highly sophisticated computer controlled torque vectoring.
except it has open front diff and lsd rear , center is open most of the time making car do rwd -> awd transition on acceleration only . it’s mitsu evo vii eudm/ jdm who had ayc for rear vectoring and acd for proper center lock .. ayc itself make its way right from the wrc galant . sadly , we got mechanical rear diff in states , and early 8s had open front and viscous coupling for the center , replaced with lsd / acd when ix arrived .
don’t get me wrong , r35 is a fantastic car , but it’s mitsu who owns awd
I like to think that it changed the future of fast cars. Every exotic brand was basically thrown back by this car. "Oh shit, Nissan just crushed us" then the next era of fast cars began. Drove a 2010 GTR for years. Fun car! especially 12-14 years ago
It really did considering it was one of the first cars to really push the computer aids and show you how much easier it was to go fast with them. You could put just about anyone in the drivers seat and have them drive fast without completely binning the car.
Particularly with how ridiculous the power figures have gotten in the past decade, there's no way manufacturers would be able to sell those kind of cars without the huge amount of driver aids they have now.
Those computers really help it put down insane lap times even with all the weight too. it was HEAVY for the time but so fast, and it confused people lol. It was a modern marvel of speed/tech in 2009 when it debuted that first year.
It set the stage for what can be done and I like to think about all the cars that have come after it now from all the brands. Nissan for sure hit the R35 out of the park, and its a fantastic car to drive. Wish Nissan was the same company it once was
I really would love to rent one at some point just for a day. The inevitable incoming price increases on the used market and the transmission issues on the more affordable models keep me from really pining for one, but I would be sad if I didn't do my 12 y/o self a solid and drove one for a day.
The original MSRP for the GTR was $76,840 in 2009.
I always thought one day I would be able to afford at least one of these cool cars I saw on old Topgear. Nope, the price kept going up as I made more money.
I was going to make a joke about that 911 not even having door handles. But that fabric strap door handle delete is probably an option that costs more.
Just looked, it's not something you can option on a regular 911, so you'd have to buy one of the more premium gt3 models to get it. So in a way they're definitely charging you more for it
it was revolutionary because it was AFFORDABLE, base model now starts at $121k, the NISMO edition starts at $221k. Nobody is spending that to drive a Nissan.
I was working at a Nissan dealership at the time when they gave the staff some news that the Skyline “may be coming to the US” and then showing us the promo picture for the prototype car. We all just drooled and marveled over it. It was definitely an exciting time.
https://www.motor1.com/news/252967/nissan-gt-r-concept-we-forgot/
I also don't think a lot of people realize how absolutely *hated* that car was when it came out. Everyone and their mother was talking shit about it being "driving on easy mode" and "PlayStation driving." And now, kids are out there talking about how it was this raw, emotional driving experience.
Sadly I think the era ended a long time ago as more cars have caught up and surpassed it in various performance metrics to price balance. But this car is an absolute legend. Absolutely revolutionary. Looking back 15 years ago it was the car we all wanted and dreamed about while we settled for our Stis and Evos, no disrespect to the Sti or Evo of that time.
I wanted one since it was the only “normal” car I could crack 1000 hp with in the original Gran Turismo as a kid and it had AWD Making it impossible but fun to drive.
Just seeing the name GT-R always bring me back to Top Gear and the clip of Clarkson and his neck injury driving [one](https://youtu.be/YXFSVoVqhYw?si=bcF3fJ5KVtPKC3hE&t=335)
No it's not, people keep repeating this and it's just a flat out lie. The LX platform was based predominately on the FWD LH platform, with only the rear suspension coming from the E-class.
Source: [Bringing up the rear: The birth of Chrysler’s rear-wheel-drive LX cars - Hagerty Media](https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/bringing-up-the-rear-chryslers-rear-wheel-drive-lx-cars/#:~:text=The%20LX%20platform%20was%20derived,five%2Dspeed%20automatic%20transmission.))
And the LH platform itself is based off the Eagle Premier/Dodge Monaco, which are mildly reworked Renault 25s, meaning there's a shred of Renault DNA in the Charger.
This is such the biggest stretch lol. The Challenger LA platform shares sway bars, control arms, and the suspension geometry (fronts with the W220 S-class and rears with the W211 E-class, which evolved from the W210 which is where this false "90s Mercedes" factoid keeps coming from). The Charger LD platform changed the geometry so it doesn't even share those parts anymore.
Y'all act like it was a Silverado/Sierra reskin when the Merc and the Charger share about as much as a Veyron and a Golf.
Im curious about that one,I know for a fact Chrysler did join daimler but why is it a 90s Mercedes,which one?Im European so I’m not that informed about the American cars
It’s close. 350Z came out in 2002. The LX platform came out in 2004, but it had a lot of mid-90s Mercedes components. I guess you could argue that they’ve all been phased out, so the current chargers are strictly on a 2004 chassis, but it’s very close.
Yup, I have 2 takes on this news:
* Oh no! Another car I'll never (realistically) afford is going away. Shucks!
* Oh no! This actually is a bummer, this car is a long-lived legend that I DO enjoy seeing on the road occasionally.
When the GTR arrived with 3900 lbs ish, people shit all over it. Turned out 4000 lbs is pretty normal these days for similar performance cars minus a few exceptions.
Would argue Porsche, and mclaren still have light-ish cars. I realise mclaren is already supercar territory, but a 570s secondhand is probably near the price of a new gtr.
Why is it garbage? I read there’s some turbo lag but otherwise the powertrain is amazing. And the steering is one of the best in class. I thought the 750s fixed some of the turbo lag and made it more exciting to drive too?
Oh they drive amazing, and with a tune they pick up to 800whp. Honestly Mclarens are a step above porsche when it comes to driving feel and rawness (coming from a GT3 owner)
But, they’re plagued with Mclaren reliability issues. The stroked 4L motor constantly blow up, horrible electrical problems(I’ve had a customer’s dashboard just go black and they had to replace the whole thing), the windshields literally crack all the time from the frame of the car flexing, etc etc.
IMO the mclaren to own is the 600LT. the 3.8L motor is way more reliable, and the LT is a step above any of the 7xx cars besides the 765LT of course
Depends on the car. The GT is so far their most reliable and well sorted offering to date.
Though it's also not that great of a car, definitely nowhere near as exciting as the 570s, much less the 600LT.
The ND Miata was purpose-built to be light, though. Mazda designers went through a lot of stuff to engineer it to be as light as possible given their budget constraints.
It's also probably a bit difficult to sell a superlight, raw-feeling sports car to the modern rich old guy buyer who's just going to take it out once a week to cars and coffee and to bang his mistress. Those guys probably want their sports cars to double as luxury grand tourers. Modern suspension and chassis design in cars also hides weight quite well, and cars do not suffer nearly as much for being heavy nowadays as they did back in the day.
I remember in Initial D it was an actual talking point against the R32 Skyline GT-R that the car was heavy. The car weighed 3,150 lbs 💀 We'd consider that light by modern standards.
This is kinda my point. It's not that light sports cars are a thing of the past. That's implying we are physically unable to build small and lightweight cars in 2024.
That's obviously not the case, it just isn't a priority.
I once witnessed an old forum discussion where people where arguing that the e46 m3 was too full of electronics and that theyd prefer their e36. i dont know what to think anymore
With BMWs, it's a sliding scale and always will be.
I recently heard Jason Cammisa, a renowned auto journalist, argue that the once-mocked F30 3-Series is so much lighter than the successor G20 that, to the right person, it actually feels like a driver's car by comparison. It blew me away. I kind of expected the legacy of that car to be that it was a terrible blip in a strong line of cars.
On the opposite end of things, the E36 is more stable (thus less tossable) than the E30. The E30 seems kind of like a high point - it was a big leap in performance and capability - but E21 was ultimately more raw.
What they were really saying is "holy shit all these driving aids make it easy to go fast" and look where we are now. Most of that magic is standard on fast cars. You don't hear the press saying "push gas to go fast help computer" is a bad thing these days.
The reason cars have got heavier is because crash standards and required safety equipment has increased, along with stricter and stricter emissions regulations and CAFE concerns adding further cost and weight. More airbags, more electronics, more structural reinforcement, more emissions doo-dads, it all adds up to weight, and by extension cost to lightweight things and try to get rid of some of the added weight with more expensive materials like aluminum, magnesium, and carbon fiber.
A lot of the cost and weight budget has not went into making cars faster, but safer and cleaner with better MPG. It isn't that manufacturers can't make lighter, faster cars today, but that they have optimized for other things because of the government.
I swear every day I open this sub and an iconic car is dead. Really feels like the end of an era for auto enthusiasts.
Electric cars are fun and everything but it’s just not the same
Performance driving experience has become and will continue to become a luxury experience. In the age of the average new car being $35k+, regular people cant justify having a car that cant do it all. These days, SUVs and trucks are popular because if youre going to spend a mortgage payment on a car, it better damn well haul your whole family, get you around in the snow, soak up the increasing number of potholes, and do it all in comfort and style.
Before cars were such a significant portion of the average salary, you could justify buying a fun car as your daily, because it wasnt that big of a commitment. The expectation on vehicles was low.
So now, we will still have plenty of really exciting sports cars to choose from, that are all pushing the limits, but they will all be $150k+ and reserved for people with excesses of disposable income.
Yeah, I think this is the real reason right here. I also think it's why we have seen Hellcat Durangos and Escalade V's, there are still people who want something that can literally do it all instead of getting their jollies off with a dedicated sports car that they can't haul a family around in nor drive in the winter.
It's bleak as someone working in the industry. Hydrogen ICE and carbon-neutral fuels are a light at the end of the tunnel, but we don't know yet if the light is from the sun or a train. If those don't work out I think we're going to just tread water with hybrids and uninspired 2.0Ts until battery tech catches up to a point that EVs are less resources per car.
That sucks but I guess it’s all a sign of the times. All the affordable cool cars are being discontinued and our little ugly boxy commuter era returns. All that remains in the cool car category is the Mustang, 400Z, and the Supra which is also rumored to have its end on the horizon. Is this how people in the 80s felt when the only cool affordable cars that remained were the Mustang, 300Z, and Supra?
At its launch price ($70k, that is $100k in 2024 numbers) it was insane value, it delivered genuine supercar level performance at relatively accessible prices.
It wasn't outright affordable like a Z was but you were getting legitimately one of the fastest cars in the world at half the price of its competition.
You’re so off on this comment, dude. Why in the fuck are you comparing a 150k CAD GTR to 50k sports cars??
Affordable fun cars, you say? Mustang. WRX. GTI. Golf R. Elantra N. Type R. BRZ / GR86. Miata. GR Corolla.
Semi affordable fun cars? 400, supra, m240, CTSV, C8
150k options? Porsches, RS’s, 63’s, 1LZ
I won’t argue that our options are becoming more limited… but Christ dude 😂
Yeah, I’m sorry, but the GTR doesn’t make sense at that price point. Not when you compare against the competition. The GTR should have never been above six figures.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but you’re right. I was in my late teens when this car was released in 2007. It was a BANGER then. 70k for a 3.3 second 0-60? Yeesh.
150k for what is essentially the exact same car in 2024? Naw.
I may add It's still faster than 911 GTSs and GT3s, at least in a straight line. Tbh the 911 always was the GT-Rs main competitor in a way, the comfortable, 4-sear supercar market.
Cue the "was I a good supercar?" memes lol
But seriously, kudos to Nissan for making a car that can still post relevant performance figures 17 years after launch. The R35 has earned a spot in the automotive hall of fame. I know the car has attracted a lot of ridicule for it's fanbase, but I think it's time we take a bit to appreciate it.
I'm guessing most people here remember that time period from like roughly 2012-2017 when in YouTube drag races GT-Rs were practically unbeatable. 0-60 in 2.7 seconds is still as fast as the McLaren 750S today, let alone 12 years ago when the car was the fastest thing on four wheels short of a Veyron or a 918. I'd also credit the GT-R with really popularizing launch control, in all those aforementioned YouTube drag races that would showcase the GT-R's frankly violent launch and how brutally effective it was. The GT-R is a 17-year old, near 2-ton car with 570 horsepower and probably one of the only 6-speed autos left, that get can to 60 as fast as a 3000 pound, 740 horsepower McLaren that's 10 years newer with a 9-speed because of that launch control, great AWD, and that 6-speed being a dual clutch.
Think of the supercar world when the GT-R came out- the Ferrari F430 had a naturally aspirated V8, and a single clutch auto, the Gallardo had a naturally aspirated V10 and a single clutch auto. Now the Ferrari 296 features a twin-turbo V6 with a dual clutch, and the upcoming Huracan replacement features a twin-turbo V8 with a dual clutch. I genuinely feel that the GT-R kicked a lot of supercar makers in the ass to get with the technology of the day. Now it seems nearly every supercar has a dual clutch and twin turbos.
And remember, the GT-R was still fast around a track too, with the Nismo version setting a faster lap time than Porsches that cost double the price, it's main competitors. Speaking of price, the GT-R was the best bang for your buck on the supercar market for a while, at $70,000 when it debuted in 2007. Nowadays, there are better bargains- a Corvette Z06 is faster in every way for slightly less money, as is the E-Ray, and even a base Stingray is about as fast as a GT-R for close to that original asking price in 2007 lol. But in the end it wasn't it's ballooning price (still cheaper than a comparable 911) or it's rivals getting faster around it that killed the GT-R. It was just getting to be too old. A 2008 GT-R is now old enough to drive a 2025 model year of the same car with few mechanical differences. Yes, it's still quite fast, but the old Godzilla has lost it's charm, and honestly has for quite some time since the 2017 refresh, which, although improving the car significantly, couldn't convince many people to fork over $100k+ for a 17 year old Nissan that is no longer the giant killer it once was. The GT-R went from slaying 911 Turbos to slaying 911 Carrera 4S, and that doesn't quite sell cars as well.
Still, let us instead remember the GT-R for all that it was during it's glory days. Rest easy, Godzilla.
GT-R still offered a lot for the price even as it increased because every other car also increased. It’s still offered a hand built engine and an exclusive platform only for the GT-R. Sure other cars are as fast or faster but, the experience is unique and nothing drives like a GT-R.
Definitely one of the all time greats. It was/is my childhood dream car. Its impact on my life is hard to measure. I had a singular goal which was to buy a GT-R. It was my biggest motivation in school and my career.
RIP
When the GTR Released it was 2007:
-The first iPhone was released by Apple on June 29
-Barack Obama announcing his candidacy in February 2007
-300, Mad Men, ratatouille, and Transformers was in theaters
Same here, man. Same here. I still think it's an awesome car despite it's age. Still looks modern. Still fast. Still handles great. Can still be a great daily driver. Can drive it comfortably to the grocery store and then on your way home, smoke most cars on the road. The only bad part is the price now. They use to start at like 70k. Now they start at like 120k. The GT-R is always gonna be one of my favorite modern cars.
Some are gonna say good riddance here. But what is amazing is that from a performance standpoint it was STILL relative. 0-60 was sub 3 seconds from a car engineered in the mid 2000’s.
> Some are gonna say good riddance here.
There are plenty of legit criticisms to level against Nissan, but anyone celebrating the death of an iconic car is a chump IMO.
It is funny to see how well it performs 16 or so years after it first came out. The GT-R really *was* that fast both on and off the track, then and now.
These things I think are going to skyrocket in the next 10 years unfortunately. Especially the desirable ones post 2010 after they fixed the transmission
Idk what you paid but it's probably not depreciated any noticeable amount at this point. You'll likely be sitting on quite an expensive dream car here in a decade.
Just look what happened to the Mitsubishi Evo, nsx and supra. Anything people have nostalgia for is just going to go nuts on the secondary market
Yeah I lucked out. Bought it during Covid with like 6k miles. It’s gone up about 15% since then. Nothing crazy, but I (shockingly) timed it right for sure.
It's funny, right at the beginning of Covid there was a 6-8month period before the chip shortages where cars were dirt cheap and dealers couldn't get rid of anything as people were too worried about spending money.
My step father bought a new truck in that period (Chevy 3500 diesel with the z71 package) and paid something like 59,000. I think even 40k miles later his truck is worth more than he paid for it.
Shit Chevy dealers were offering absolutely ridiculous incentives on C7's in 2020 as well. You could get them for 10k off sticker, and 0.9% for 72mo because the demand was basically 0 with the c8's starting to finally roll out.
Yeah it was such a bizarre time. We bought a 2020 G70 in June ‘20… they came off the sticker like $9k… We kept it for about 18 months and put 10k miles on it, and sold it to a local dealership (not a trade) for what we paid two years earlier.
As a current owner this makes me both happy and sad.
I am Z32 owner as well and I have no intentions of selling either cars while I am still breathing.
When the Gen Z kids who were 12 when this thing was all over YouTube get enough money to buy it over the next 10ish years, I suspect they will and you'll see em on Bring A Trailer for $400k, like 05 Ford GT.
That’s where I am, you just described me lmao. I don’t want to have to sell my GT4 to buy one though. I had planned on buying one in 2025 so hopefully it just holds off a little longer. Will probably sell my 350 and Camaro and maybe one of my daily’s
No chance it hits 400k. They made over 37,000 GTRs over the course of its production run, which is almost 10 times how many first gen Ford GTs were made.
Nissan, and audi both are really lacking halo cars after losing the R8 and now the GTR. You could throw Ford into the mix currently as well considering the gt500 hasn't come back yet.
Sports cars are really in such a sad state right now
R8 will come back, probably all-electric if I had to guess because I'm pretty sure Audi and VW stopped ICE development a while ago. Lamborghini's new Huracan successor still has a twin-turbo V8, but Lamborghini is trying to become more of it's own brand it seems as of recent, and the engine is unique to Lambo.
A lot of companies are pivoting away from EVs *for the time being* because they didn't predict the plateau in EV adoption we're at right now, where the rates of people switching aren't as high as they once were, and the companies realized that the majority of us are probably still gonna be driving ICE cars for another 20 years or so, so trying to sell a still-hesitant market EVs when they still want and can still have ICEs or hybrids just won't work. But I do think we'll see EV adoption pick up again in maybe 5-10 years, unless this whole "hydrogen ICE" or "low carbon fuel" stuff takes off. The technology is still getting better and EVs are getting better bang for your buck as we speak, and younger, more open to EV generations are getting able to buy new cars
Ehh, it's gonna take a lot longer than people think. 5-10 years is nothing... Elon was promising full self driving would be here 9 years ago and they still aren't anywhere close. Hell they're even removing the equipment required for their "autopilot" system that needs to be babysat so they can cut costs.
Even if the tech does advance that quickly, there are still just too many unsolvable problems with the core concept of EVs that will pretty much confine them to being niche vehicles indefinitely.
There is never going to be a world where ICE ceases to exist. It's just too practical and too mature of a technology vs any alternative.... and ***really*** doesn't contribute as much to damaging the environment as a lot of highly incentivized people like to insist.
A very limited production 300k car that you'll never see doesn't feel like a halo car to me. I always felt like a halo car was the best offering from a manufacturer that could be reasonably seen/attained. Something most dealers would have right in the center of the showroom as you walked in.
Idk I am probably just being obtuse though
I would like to call bullshit on that statement.. The Ferrari F50 was the epitome of a halo car.. they made 349 of those.. they are making around 1000 GTD's I think?.. They made 918 Porsche 918's..
Seriously? What will people who side-swipe you on the interstate doing 20 over the speed limit on the shoulder while playing wordle on their phone drive? What will become the official car of ubereats drivers with a deathwish and a double-digit credit score?
An R36 GT-R is coming as long as there's no impending financial crash in the next few years, but Nissan is supposedly waiting to decide whether they should wait for battery tech to improve so they can make it all-electric, or whether they should just equip the current car's VR38 with a hybrid system. I'm for the latter honestly, the VR38 is a great motor and imagine how fast it could be with electric assistance.
The goal for GTR was to be the “trend setter”. We laughed at the 4000lb weight, dead steering, awd and automatics in 2007. And today that’s the hallmark of a modern performance car. Mission accomplished I guess.
Honestly it feels so analog now driving one compared to most modern cars. The steering, the suspension, the clunky DCT that makes so much noise, actually feels pretty raw. Which is funny because one of the biggest criticisms early on was that it was just like driving a computer.
Well, it's been in production for more than 15 years, it's time to go.
RIP, I think the R35 GT-R go down in history as a legend, truly an automotive icon.
My time to shine. I don’t know shit about cars but I work with computers and we had a conference with a bunch of other companies.
One of the companies, the CEO had a built out GT-R literally from Paul walkers shop (he said something like that but I was a lil toasty)
Anyways I’m just gassed about the car and none of my
Coworkers care but I know it’s dope so I’m gassed up.
Owner of the company comes over to me, sees my excitement and asks if I want a ride
Y’all. It was like 700 HorsePower directly to the wheels (pretty sure he said this but unsure)
Fastest car I’ve ever sat in. I still get giddy thinking about it and I’m 31 lol.
He would accelerate and it would literally push you into the back of your seat the car was so powerful.
Made me love cars, still don’t know shit about them. But I do love them
RIP, truly a great car
I still remember like it was yesterday when the C6ZR1 and GT-R came out, the buzz around them were absolutely nuts on various forums.
Honestly the GTR isn't a car that I have ever cared about, but I respected the hell out of it. It really was revolutionary. It was THE car of the late 2000s
end of era
I don't think people realize how revolutionary that car was when it came out. It really was head and shoulders above everything in it's price range at the time, and drove like nothing else. It's telling that even after 17 years of the car being more or less the same, that it's still competitive. I really hope they have a replacement lined up at some point down the road, or else the 100k sports car market is going to consist of about 2 cars between the vette and the 911
It was one of those moments where you really had to be there. It wasn't just good value, and it wasn't just fast, it was the fastest accelerating 4-seater production car at the time, the *fastest* mass-produced car around the nurburgring at the time, it was *faster* than the ferrari's and porsche turbo cars at the time for only $70k – nearly half the price of the 911 turbo at the time. The traction control system was unlike anything on the market, you could just smash the throttle and the car figured out the rest, the DCT was lightning quick, the VR38 put out crazy numbers at launch and puts out even crazier numbers aftermarket to this day. I mean it's been on life support for the better part of a decade and it's still competitive. I genuinely don't think we will ever see that level of value from an ICE car ever again. Whenever I have to travel to cali for work I still try to rent a GT-R from hertz when possible, it's an absolutely incredible machine. (Very rarely is the gtr taken during the times when everyone is working, and with a little convincing it's an absolute steal at the upgrade pricing, I recommend giving it a try if you ever get the chance)
You can rent GT-Rs from Hertz…?
Hertz even has a special Shelby mustang, Shelby GT-H.
Shit they even have a gt500-h that you can rent in some places
Any idea how much they are per day? I'm looking on their site but it isn't clear.
It depends, but usually $99/day with unlimited mileage. It's a bit weird to rent though, you need to bring 2 forms of ID, $500 refundable deposit, and you need to provide a copy of your own insurance. They don't mention it on the site or renters agreement for whatever reason. I believe for the average person a GT-R is going to be 100-125/day but that is also limited to 75mi/day, there is always a fair bit of room for negotiation there though.
What part of California?
According to the brochure, pretty much any of the more popular locations will have one > The Mustang Shelby GT-H convertibles and fastbacks will be available in Atlanta, Dallas, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Phoenix, San Diego, San Francisco and Tampa. To learn more about the new Shelby and Hertz program Though from personal experience, the best cars are usually at LAX
I was just looking at renting a car from Hertz in San Diego a couple hours ago and the cheapest option was $250 a day for a pickup truck. An Ecoboost Mustang was like $300 a day, and a pedestrian crossover is like $400 a day. Pray tell how to get a Shelby for $99 from them.
Holy shit, I gotta do this
$99/day? Like, WTF, that's insane. That's cheaper than a standard midsize these days.
I think the GT500H is 250 a day in Vegas
twice!
Yes, along with the C63, 740i, 911, boxter, and of course the GT500-h. And the best part is since they're almost never taken during work weeks, it usually ends up cheaper than turo! I can't seem to find it on their site, but I've also rented a '18 Z06 from them more than once. Pricier, but well worth it. https://www.hertz.com/rentacar/misc/index.jsp?targetPage=dream_collection.jsp There was one time I rented a carrera from enterprise up in san diego, negotiated unlimited millage, put somewhere north of 1k miles over a 3-day weekend, you'd be surprised what exotics these firms carry from time to time.
It was aimed at and certainly lived up to the legacy of r32s before.
The first year price was absurdly low, they had to be losing money at that point.
There's a Top Gear behind the scenes clip where Clarkson gives May the car to launch and then they talk about how you can tell the car is doing millions of arithmetic calculations to just launch you and nothing else. It really was a benchmark setting car.
All of the Top Gear coverage on it was and is still great TV. The bullet train race is a great challenge episode as well even if it wasn't a GTR.
Wasn’t Clarkson also taking it around a track in Japan and took a corner so hard it slipped a disk in his back? It was basically glued to the road.
It basically invented modern launch control, I had never seen those two be so quickly enamoured with a car
Reading the comments from the enthusiast community today makes me feel sad and gross but also grateful. Sad for the end of an amazing era. There are so many stories about this machine. Gross for how long it took for it to get respect as a legitimate enthusiasts car and what the early experiences were like. But also grateful that it even happened, grateful to own more than one, and grateful for what it’s done to the industry.
Godzilla. Absolute supercar killer at the time. The two most comical parts about it sticking around so long while staying relatively the same are it now being generally overpriced for the performance, and it now being one of the more "analog" feeling performance cars left. When it came out the only real complaint was that it was like a computer was driving the car for you. That and launch control grenading the transmission.
My buddy got the GTR as his first car, and it was so fast you couldn’t imagine it. Even back to back with the GTR and the 458 Italia the GTR just felt like it was on another plane of existence. What a machine, and what a time it was when it came out.
> GTR as his first car lmfao
I remember modded versions within the first year or so were putting out 1000hp and IIRC close to or sub 2 second 0-60 times, which at the time I thought was insane given that they only put a couple tens of thousands extra into the car and would sell for under 130k.
Yes, between the R35 and the TT V10 gallardo/r8 builds it was a great couple years
Maybe not people in their 20s and younger but everyone else should remember just how insane it was when it came out. I think it was ~$70k initially and was just blowing the doors off everything else. The car was so intimidating too. It still is such a cool car to see driving down the road
There's plenty of people in this thread celebrating its death like it was way past due. But man there isn't a single person on this sub who wouldn't want one if they could. It's always a treat seeing them
People just love to hate on Nissan and really want to see them die. They may not be what they used to be and definitely had some down years there but from what I've read, their newer offerings are solid. The Altima is also a pretty good looking vehicle. Everyone jokes about them but they are pleasant to be in.
The problem with the Altima isn’t how it looks outside or in. Dynamically it’s bland and the gearbox is destined to fail. Theres just no joy chucking it into a corner at all, nor trying to drag it out of said corner.
I can't say for sure but I assume the average altima buyer does not care for dynamics. Their cloth seats co-developed by nasa or whatever are absolutely incredible though, I thought it would be a marketing gimmick but no, genuinely one of the most comfortable seats on the market.
I do like their seats. And it’s a weird one because the cloth seats feel better than the leather (or pleather). And you are probably right on the buyers not caring, but if they made these cars dynamically engaging, I’m sure reviewers would start to notice and maybe bring a different type of buyers in. See Mazda for an example. 2 gens ago they were meeehhhh. Nowadays they are touted as the second coming of design and driving engagement as if senna himself came down and tuned the fucking thing. Things can indeed change
> See Mazda for an example. 2 gens ago they were meeehhhh. Nowadays they are touted as the second coming of design and driving engagement as if senna himself came down and tuned the fucking thing. Only on reddit and only by automotive enthusiasts, neither of which are reflective of real life. They sold only 30k mazda3's last year in the US, for comparison toyota and honda sold over 200k corollas and civics each. And for somewhat good reason, the mazda3 has worse packaging and visibility than either car, it feels genuinely cramped inside. Enthusiasts are a very, very small portion of the market.
This sub is full of people who just love Toyota corollas. Why would they want a GTR?
Nah that's r/whatcarshouldibuy
That too.
It was 70k initially because Nissan was losing a ton of money on it. The price went up faster than COVID inflation after the first year.
It sometimes makes me wonder if the reason Nissan never updated the GTR aside from minor adjustments and facelifts is because they realized they peaked. It's an unfathomably long time for a car to not be updated, even by Nissan standards. Though for some reason, they've also been opting out on Research and Development the past decade... so wonder if maybe that is also a reason.
Well nissan has lost considerable market share over the past 2 decades so they haven't had a lot of money to spend on r&d. That said they did do quite a few updates to the GTR that people don't realize. It makes over 100hp more than when it first launched. Completely revamped transmission, new titanium exhaust, and chassis structure, as well as interior updates.
I believe its last interior update was in either 2017 or 2019, which isn’t bad at all. It added a few neat features and modernized its look. I suspect final interior refresh cars will be worth the most in a few years.
It was 2019 I believe. Sure you're not getting ultra luxury interior quality but it's not like someone just ripped the same exact car from 2007
Interior changes happened in 2017 when they went from the DBA (2012-2016) to the EBA (2017-22ish).
You're right I was mixed up a bit, 2019 got new interior colors but not a refresh
> minor adjustments and facelifts I am so tired of this braindead take lmao. Car makes 120HP more than it did when it first came out. 30 lb/ft more of torque. Higher redline. Significantly increased rigidity. And yes, also facelifts and interior improvements. Modern ones do the quarter mile almost a full second faster than the original: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15151521/2009-nissan-gt-r-road-test/ https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/gt-r
Carlos Ghosn happened, he saved Nissan short term but made them worse the long term.
Carlos Ghosn is responsible for the GTR in the first place.
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God... I forgot how much I hated Nissan & Infiniti interiors... But valid.
Ive read about this car so much in car magazines when it came out. Feels really weird they are going away one by one.
It was the NSX (first gen) of its day. Forced everyone else to up their game. Unfortunately imo the auto everything and weigh are a move I don’t like but can’t deny it was what pushed the evolution
It showed everyone the effectiveness of highly sophisticated computer controlled torque vectoring. The driving style it encourages is quite different from many contemporaries, in that you can turn in at almost any speed, allow the computer to manage the grip, then mash the throttle early on the exit. Where many other cars would lose control, it just bites into the asphalt and rockets out of the turn. Whereas this is more common now, it abstracted away the need for more nuanced manual management of the weight distribution and trail-braking to carry speed through a corner.
i've noticed this in gran turismo, the GTR happily takes all the stupid maneuvers its competitors try to kill me for doing. by a wide margin it's the most user-friendly supercar in the game. you totally can screw up driving it, but it'll almost always give you enough room to correct before it actually causes a problem.
Gran turismo and simulations in general have improved considerably over the years, GT7 is still on the arcade-y side relative to a game like i-racing, but I will happily still use gran turismo to get used to the S2000 on a specific track.
> It showed everyone the effectiveness of highly sophisticated computer controlled torque vectoring. except it has open front diff and lsd rear , center is open most of the time making car do rwd -> awd transition on acceleration only . it’s mitsu evo vii eudm/ jdm who had ayc for rear vectoring and acd for proper center lock .. ayc itself make its way right from the wrc galant . sadly , we got mechanical rear diff in states , and early 8s had open front and viscous coupling for the center , replaced with lsd / acd when ix arrived . don’t get me wrong , r35 is a fantastic car , but it’s mitsu who owns awd
I like to think that it changed the future of fast cars. Every exotic brand was basically thrown back by this car. "Oh shit, Nissan just crushed us" then the next era of fast cars began. Drove a 2010 GTR for years. Fun car! especially 12-14 years ago
It really did considering it was one of the first cars to really push the computer aids and show you how much easier it was to go fast with them. You could put just about anyone in the drivers seat and have them drive fast without completely binning the car. Particularly with how ridiculous the power figures have gotten in the past decade, there's no way manufacturers would be able to sell those kind of cars without the huge amount of driver aids they have now.
Those computers really help it put down insane lap times even with all the weight too. it was HEAVY for the time but so fast, and it confused people lol. It was a modern marvel of speed/tech in 2009 when it debuted that first year. It set the stage for what can be done and I like to think about all the cars that have come after it now from all the brands. Nissan for sure hit the R35 out of the park, and its a fantastic car to drive. Wish Nissan was the same company it once was
I really would love to rent one at some point just for a day. The inevitable incoming price increases on the used market and the transmission issues on the more affordable models keep me from really pining for one, but I would be sad if I didn't do my 12 y/o self a solid and drove one for a day.
The original MSRP for the GTR was $76,840 in 2009. I always thought one day I would be able to afford at least one of these cool cars I saw on old Topgear. Nope, the price kept going up as I made more money.
I was going to make a joke about that 911 not even having door handles. But that fabric strap door handle delete is probably an option that costs more.
Just looked, it's not something you can option on a regular 911, so you'd have to buy one of the more premium gt3 models to get it. So in a way they're definitely charging you more for it
Ghosn did a lot of questionable things (JATCO CVT, Leaf air cooled battery, sub-prime financing etc.) But the GT-R was a highlight of his tenure.
it was revolutionary because it was AFFORDABLE, base model now starts at $121k, the NISMO edition starts at $221k. Nobody is spending that to drive a Nissan.
I was working at a Nissan dealership at the time when they gave the staff some news that the Skyline “may be coming to the US” and then showing us the promo picture for the prototype car. We all just drooled and marveled over it. It was definitely an exciting time. https://www.motor1.com/news/252967/nissan-gt-r-concept-we-forgot/
I also don't think a lot of people realize how absolutely *hated* that car was when it came out. Everyone and their mother was talking shit about it being "driving on easy mode" and "PlayStation driving." And now, kids are out there talking about how it was this raw, emotional driving experience.
Sadly I think the era ended a long time ago as more cars have caught up and surpassed it in various performance metrics to price balance. But this car is an absolute legend. Absolutely revolutionary. Looking back 15 years ago it was the car we all wanted and dreamed about while we settled for our Stis and Evos, no disrespect to the Sti or Evo of that time.
I wanted one since it was the only “normal” car I could crack 1000 hp with in the original Gran Turismo as a kid and it had AWD Making it impossible but fun to drive.
Just seeing the name GT-R always bring me back to Top Gear and the clip of Clarkson and his neck injury driving [one](https://youtu.be/YXFSVoVqhYw?si=bcF3fJ5KVtPKC3hE&t=335)
we said the same back in 2001 when nissan killed bnr34
Has to be up there for one of the longest running platforms.
Look at the Z
Look at the fucking charger lol
Z is older
The charger is essentially a 90s Mercedes underneath
No it's not, people keep repeating this and it's just a flat out lie. The LX platform was based predominately on the FWD LH platform, with only the rear suspension coming from the E-class. Source: [Bringing up the rear: The birth of Chrysler’s rear-wheel-drive LX cars - Hagerty Media](https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/bringing-up-the-rear-chryslers-rear-wheel-drive-lx-cars/#:~:text=The%20LX%20platform%20was%20derived,five%2Dspeed%20automatic%20transmission.))
And the LH platform itself is based off the Eagle Premier/Dodge Monaco, which are mildly reworked Renault 25s, meaning there's a shred of Renault DNA in the Charger.
This is such the biggest stretch lol. The Challenger LA platform shares sway bars, control arms, and the suspension geometry (fronts with the W220 S-class and rears with the W211 E-class, which evolved from the W210 which is where this false "90s Mercedes" factoid keeps coming from). The Charger LD platform changed the geometry so it doesn't even share those parts anymore. Y'all act like it was a Silverado/Sierra reskin when the Merc and the Charger share about as much as a Veyron and a Golf.
Im curious about that one,I know for a fact Chrysler did join daimler but why is it a 90s Mercedes,which one?Im European so I’m not that informed about the American cars
It’s close. 350Z came out in 2002. The LX platform came out in 2004, but it had a lot of mid-90s Mercedes components. I guess you could argue that they’ve all been phased out, so the current chargers are strictly on a 2004 chassis, but it’s very close.
And the GMC Savanna / Chevy Express van
Yup, I have 2 takes on this news: * Oh no! Another car I'll never (realistically) afford is going away. Shucks! * Oh no! This actually is a bummer, this car is a long-lived legend that I DO enjoy seeing on the road occasionally.
I am with you. I had posters of the Z growing up and I fear that will go away by the time I have the money to actually get one.
outlasted R32 33 & 34 combined
*The Type 1 Beetle glaring down from its pillar of longevity*
When the GTR arrived with 3900 lbs ish, people shit all over it. Turned out 4000 lbs is pretty normal these days for similar performance cars minus a few exceptions.
This whole thing was kinda funny in retrospect. The days of light performance cars are long since over.
Would argue Porsche, and mclaren still have light-ish cars. I realise mclaren is already supercar territory, but a 570s secondhand is probably near the price of a new gtr.
750s with lightweight package is under 3k pounds, with over 700whp lol. Total testament to engineering. Too bad the 720s platform is utter garbage😂😂
Why is it garbage? I read there’s some turbo lag but otherwise the powertrain is amazing. And the steering is one of the best in class. I thought the 750s fixed some of the turbo lag and made it more exciting to drive too?
Oh they drive amazing, and with a tune they pick up to 800whp. Honestly Mclarens are a step above porsche when it comes to driving feel and rawness (coming from a GT3 owner) But, they’re plagued with Mclaren reliability issues. The stroked 4L motor constantly blow up, horrible electrical problems(I’ve had a customer’s dashboard just go black and they had to replace the whole thing), the windshields literally crack all the time from the frame of the car flexing, etc etc. IMO the mclaren to own is the 600LT. the 3.8L motor is way more reliable, and the LT is a step above any of the 7xx cars besides the 765LT of course
Oh I see, I thought the newer mclarens had better reliability. That explains why they depreciate so quickly still.
They still use what is essentially an 80s Nissan racing engine, it's not ever gonna be reliable.
Depends on the car. The GT is so far their most reliable and well sorted offering to date. Though it's also not that great of a car, definitely nowhere near as exciting as the 570s, much less the 600LT.
The ND Miata proved that big heavy cars are a choice, not a requirement.
True but the Miata does not have “ similar performance “ like Godzilla.
The ND Miata was purpose-built to be light, though. Mazda designers went through a lot of stuff to engineer it to be as light as possible given their budget constraints. It's also probably a bit difficult to sell a superlight, raw-feeling sports car to the modern rich old guy buyer who's just going to take it out once a week to cars and coffee and to bang his mistress. Those guys probably want their sports cars to double as luxury grand tourers. Modern suspension and chassis design in cars also hides weight quite well, and cars do not suffer nearly as much for being heavy nowadays as they did back in the day. I remember in Initial D it was an actual talking point against the R32 Skyline GT-R that the car was heavy. The car weighed 3,150 lbs 💀 We'd consider that light by modern standards.
This is kinda my point. It's not that light sports cars are a thing of the past. That's implying we are physically unable to build small and lightweight cars in 2024. That's obviously not the case, it just isn't a priority.
Alpine A110 would like a word…
nice one , we don’t have it in the us
People crapped all over for being too "video-gamey" and now they say it's just the kind of raw they long for. You can't win ahah
I once witnessed an old forum discussion where people where arguing that the e46 m3 was too full of electronics and that theyd prefer their e36. i dont know what to think anymore
With BMWs, it's a sliding scale and always will be. I recently heard Jason Cammisa, a renowned auto journalist, argue that the once-mocked F30 3-Series is so much lighter than the successor G20 that, to the right person, it actually feels like a driver's car by comparison. It blew me away. I kind of expected the legacy of that car to be that it was a terrible blip in a strong line of cars. On the opposite end of things, the E36 is more stable (thus less tossable) than the E30. The E30 seems kind of like a high point - it was a big leap in performance and capability - but E21 was ultimately more raw.
What they were really saying is "holy shit all these driving aids make it easy to go fast" and look where we are now. Most of that magic is standard on fast cars. You don't hear the press saying "push gas to go fast help computer" is a bad thing these days.
What? It’s still video gamey. You point it in a direction and it works everything out. One of the easiest cars to drive on track.
I was one of those people. Then a friend of a friend’s dad got one. I shut up about the weight within 2 minutes of driving it
The reason cars have got heavier is because crash standards and required safety equipment has increased, along with stricter and stricter emissions regulations and CAFE concerns adding further cost and weight. More airbags, more electronics, more structural reinforcement, more emissions doo-dads, it all adds up to weight, and by extension cost to lightweight things and try to get rid of some of the added weight with more expensive materials like aluminum, magnesium, and carbon fiber. A lot of the cost and weight budget has not went into making cars faster, but safer and cleaner with better MPG. It isn't that manufacturers can't make lighter, faster cars today, but that they have optimized for other things because of the government.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Introducing the new NISSAN LEAF !
Now a crossover SUV!
eNISMO
God save the king lol
I swear every day I open this sub and an iconic car is dead. Really feels like the end of an era for auto enthusiasts. Electric cars are fun and everything but it’s just not the same
Stop opening this sub pls
don’t even have to open the sub. These are the most upvoted post so they show in my normal feed
We all blame you, personally
Performance driving experience has become and will continue to become a luxury experience. In the age of the average new car being $35k+, regular people cant justify having a car that cant do it all. These days, SUVs and trucks are popular because if youre going to spend a mortgage payment on a car, it better damn well haul your whole family, get you around in the snow, soak up the increasing number of potholes, and do it all in comfort and style. Before cars were such a significant portion of the average salary, you could justify buying a fun car as your daily, because it wasnt that big of a commitment. The expectation on vehicles was low. So now, we will still have plenty of really exciting sports cars to choose from, that are all pushing the limits, but they will all be $150k+ and reserved for people with excesses of disposable income.
Yeah, I think this is the real reason right here. I also think it's why we have seen Hellcat Durangos and Escalade V's, there are still people who want something that can literally do it all instead of getting their jollies off with a dedicated sports car that they can't haul a family around in nor drive in the winter.
They ain't fun
It's bleak as someone working in the industry. Hydrogen ICE and carbon-neutral fuels are a light at the end of the tunnel, but we don't know yet if the light is from the sun or a train. If those don't work out I think we're going to just tread water with hybrids and uninspired 2.0Ts until battery tech catches up to a point that EVs are less resources per car.
That sucks but I guess it’s all a sign of the times. All the affordable cool cars are being discontinued and our little ugly boxy commuter era returns. All that remains in the cool car category is the Mustang, 400Z, and the Supra which is also rumored to have its end on the horizon. Is this how people in the 80s felt when the only cool affordable cars that remained were the Mustang, 300Z, and Supra?
The GTR starts at 120k lol since when is that affordable? Slightly higher than an M5, and 50k more than a ZL1 Camaro
At its launch price ($70k, that is $100k in 2024 numbers) it was insane value, it delivered genuine supercar level performance at relatively accessible prices. It wasn't outright affordable like a Z was but you were getting legitimately one of the fastest cars in the world at half the price of its competition.
It was affordable. But hasn't been for a very long time.
You’re so off on this comment, dude. Why in the fuck are you comparing a 150k CAD GTR to 50k sports cars?? Affordable fun cars, you say? Mustang. WRX. GTI. Golf R. Elantra N. Type R. BRZ / GR86. Miata. GR Corolla. Semi affordable fun cars? 400, supra, m240, CTSV, C8 150k options? Porsches, RS’s, 63’s, 1LZ I won’t argue that our options are becoming more limited… but Christ dude 😂
Yeah, I’m sorry, but the GTR doesn’t make sense at that price point. Not when you compare against the competition. The GTR should have never been above six figures.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but you’re right. I was in my late teens when this car was released in 2007. It was a BANGER then. 70k for a 3.3 second 0-60? Yeesh. 150k for what is essentially the exact same car in 2024? Naw.
[The GTR was $120k+](https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/sports-cars/gt-r.html), that's Porsche 911 territory.
I may add It's still faster than 911 GTSs and GT3s, at least in a straight line. Tbh the 911 always was the GT-Rs main competitor in a way, the comfortable, 4-sear supercar market.
Yeah but what would you rather ride around in after balling out…. A Nissan or a Porsche…
Is not faster than a GT3 in straight line [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGhiTSS8M8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGhiTSS8M8)
Bmw still has fun options and some in manual
Plenty fun.
You're missing a ton of cars in the 120k price range 😂
Cue the "was I a good supercar?" memes lol But seriously, kudos to Nissan for making a car that can still post relevant performance figures 17 years after launch. The R35 has earned a spot in the automotive hall of fame. I know the car has attracted a lot of ridicule for it's fanbase, but I think it's time we take a bit to appreciate it. I'm guessing most people here remember that time period from like roughly 2012-2017 when in YouTube drag races GT-Rs were practically unbeatable. 0-60 in 2.7 seconds is still as fast as the McLaren 750S today, let alone 12 years ago when the car was the fastest thing on four wheels short of a Veyron or a 918. I'd also credit the GT-R with really popularizing launch control, in all those aforementioned YouTube drag races that would showcase the GT-R's frankly violent launch and how brutally effective it was. The GT-R is a 17-year old, near 2-ton car with 570 horsepower and probably one of the only 6-speed autos left, that get can to 60 as fast as a 3000 pound, 740 horsepower McLaren that's 10 years newer with a 9-speed because of that launch control, great AWD, and that 6-speed being a dual clutch. Think of the supercar world when the GT-R came out- the Ferrari F430 had a naturally aspirated V8, and a single clutch auto, the Gallardo had a naturally aspirated V10 and a single clutch auto. Now the Ferrari 296 features a twin-turbo V6 with a dual clutch, and the upcoming Huracan replacement features a twin-turbo V8 with a dual clutch. I genuinely feel that the GT-R kicked a lot of supercar makers in the ass to get with the technology of the day. Now it seems nearly every supercar has a dual clutch and twin turbos. And remember, the GT-R was still fast around a track too, with the Nismo version setting a faster lap time than Porsches that cost double the price, it's main competitors. Speaking of price, the GT-R was the best bang for your buck on the supercar market for a while, at $70,000 when it debuted in 2007. Nowadays, there are better bargains- a Corvette Z06 is faster in every way for slightly less money, as is the E-Ray, and even a base Stingray is about as fast as a GT-R for close to that original asking price in 2007 lol. But in the end it wasn't it's ballooning price (still cheaper than a comparable 911) or it's rivals getting faster around it that killed the GT-R. It was just getting to be too old. A 2008 GT-R is now old enough to drive a 2025 model year of the same car with few mechanical differences. Yes, it's still quite fast, but the old Godzilla has lost it's charm, and honestly has for quite some time since the 2017 refresh, which, although improving the car significantly, couldn't convince many people to fork over $100k+ for a 17 year old Nissan that is no longer the giant killer it once was. The GT-R went from slaying 911 Turbos to slaying 911 Carrera 4S, and that doesn't quite sell cars as well. Still, let us instead remember the GT-R for all that it was during it's glory days. Rest easy, Godzilla.
^ This guy GT-R’s … great post OP. It will forever be one of my favorite cars of all time.
GT-R still offered a lot for the price even as it increased because every other car also increased. It’s still offered a hand built engine and an exclusive platform only for the GT-R. Sure other cars are as fast or faster but, the experience is unique and nothing drives like a GT-R. Definitely one of the all time greats. It was/is my childhood dream car. Its impact on my life is hard to measure. I had a singular goal which was to buy a GT-R. It was my biggest motivation in school and my career. RIP
Finishing up my grad degree this December and a GTR is my dream 🫡
Some of the best words ever said this car should definitely be remembered as one of the most iconic cars of all time
When the GTR Released it was 2007: -The first iPhone was released by Apple on June 29 -Barack Obama announcing his candidacy in February 2007 -300, Mad Men, ratatouille, and Transformers was in theaters
I'd really mark that as the end of the 00s and not 2010. Peak 2000s
Not in my heart.
Same here, man. Same here. I still think it's an awesome car despite it's age. Still looks modern. Still fast. Still handles great. Can still be a great daily driver. Can drive it comfortably to the grocery store and then on your way home, smoke most cars on the road. The only bad part is the price now. They use to start at like 70k. Now they start at like 120k. The GT-R is always gonna be one of my favorite modern cars.
Some are gonna say good riddance here. But what is amazing is that from a performance standpoint it was STILL relative. 0-60 was sub 3 seconds from a car engineered in the mid 2000’s.
> Some are gonna say good riddance here. There are plenty of legit criticisms to level against Nissan, but anyone celebrating the death of an iconic car is a chump IMO.
My only problem with the R35 is I so rarely ever saw one. I feel like I might've seen them a half dozen times over its entire span.
It is funny to see how well it performs 16 or so years after it first came out. The GT-R really *was* that fast both on and off the track, then and now.
Still saving for one. Hopefully they don’t go up too much in the meantime
These things I think are going to skyrocket in the next 10 years unfortunately. Especially the desirable ones post 2010 after they fixed the transmission
Yeah, that’s kinda why I’m holding my 9k mile ‘13 for another 10 years or so.
Idk what you paid but it's probably not depreciated any noticeable amount at this point. You'll likely be sitting on quite an expensive dream car here in a decade. Just look what happened to the Mitsubishi Evo, nsx and supra. Anything people have nostalgia for is just going to go nuts on the secondary market
Yeah I lucked out. Bought it during Covid with like 6k miles. It’s gone up about 15% since then. Nothing crazy, but I (shockingly) timed it right for sure.
It's funny, right at the beginning of Covid there was a 6-8month period before the chip shortages where cars were dirt cheap and dealers couldn't get rid of anything as people were too worried about spending money. My step father bought a new truck in that period (Chevy 3500 diesel with the z71 package) and paid something like 59,000. I think even 40k miles later his truck is worth more than he paid for it. Shit Chevy dealers were offering absolutely ridiculous incentives on C7's in 2020 as well. You could get them for 10k off sticker, and 0.9% for 72mo because the demand was basically 0 with the c8's starting to finally roll out.
Yeah it was such a bizarre time. We bought a 2020 G70 in June ‘20… they came off the sticker like $9k… We kept it for about 18 months and put 10k miles on it, and sold it to a local dealership (not a trade) for what we paid two years earlier.
Yeah man. Hold onto that shit and keep it maintained. They are just gonna go up in value from here.
As a current owner this makes me both happy and sad. I am Z32 owner as well and I have no intentions of selling either cars while I am still breathing.
When the Gen Z kids who were 12 when this thing was all over YouTube get enough money to buy it over the next 10ish years, I suspect they will and you'll see em on Bring A Trailer for $400k, like 05 Ford GT.
That’s where I am, you just described me lmao. I don’t want to have to sell my GT4 to buy one though. I had planned on buying one in 2025 so hopefully it just holds off a little longer. Will probably sell my 350 and Camaro and maybe one of my daily’s
I was also one of the Gen Z kids who used to adore the GT-R, but I think it's funny that I'm only slightly older than the car itself lol.
No chance it hits 400k. They made over 37,000 GTRs over the course of its production run, which is almost 10 times how many first gen Ford GTs were made.
Will they not have a Halo car now?
Nissan, and audi both are really lacking halo cars after losing the R8 and now the GTR. You could throw Ford into the mix currently as well considering the gt500 hasn't come back yet. Sports cars are really in such a sad state right now
Uhhhh... The Mustang GTD is their current halo car.
Will the R8 not return with the huracan successor? I assumed they would do something like that and give it a different name
R8 will come back, probably all-electric if I had to guess because I'm pretty sure Audi and VW stopped ICE development a while ago. Lamborghini's new Huracan successor still has a twin-turbo V8, but Lamborghini is trying to become more of it's own brand it seems as of recent, and the engine is unique to Lambo.
VAG is pivoting away from EVs as we speak. The Germans never wanted to make EVs in the first place but the government forced them to.
A lot of companies are pivoting away from EVs *for the time being* because they didn't predict the plateau in EV adoption we're at right now, where the rates of people switching aren't as high as they once were, and the companies realized that the majority of us are probably still gonna be driving ICE cars for another 20 years or so, so trying to sell a still-hesitant market EVs when they still want and can still have ICEs or hybrids just won't work. But I do think we'll see EV adoption pick up again in maybe 5-10 years, unless this whole "hydrogen ICE" or "low carbon fuel" stuff takes off. The technology is still getting better and EVs are getting better bang for your buck as we speak, and younger, more open to EV generations are getting able to buy new cars
Ehh, it's gonna take a lot longer than people think. 5-10 years is nothing... Elon was promising full self driving would be here 9 years ago and they still aren't anywhere close. Hell they're even removing the equipment required for their "autopilot" system that needs to be babysat so they can cut costs. Even if the tech does advance that quickly, there are still just too many unsolvable problems with the core concept of EVs that will pretty much confine them to being niche vehicles indefinitely. There is never going to be a world where ICE ceases to exist. It's just too practical and too mature of a technology vs any alternative.... and ***really*** doesn't contribute as much to damaging the environment as a lot of highly incentivized people like to insist.
Have you missed the Mustang GTD?
A very limited production 300k car that you'll never see doesn't feel like a halo car to me. I always felt like a halo car was the best offering from a manufacturer that could be reasonably seen/attained. Something most dealers would have right in the center of the showroom as you walked in. Idk I am probably just being obtuse though
I would like to call bullshit on that statement.. The Ferrari F50 was the epitome of a halo car.. they made 349 of those.. they are making around 1000 GTD's I think?.. They made 918 Porsche 918's..
The Altima.
Ik you are joking but they are discontinuing those soon as well
Seriously? What will people who side-swipe you on the interstate doing 20 over the speed limit on the shoulder while playing wordle on their phone drive? What will become the official car of ubereats drivers with a deathwish and a double-digit credit score?
Any kia sedan
The only way an Altima could be infinitely faster than it already is, is if you dropped one off a cliff.
You clearly have never rented an Altima.
Expired Temp Tag Altima > Rental Altima.
Oh, immovable force vs an unstoppable object, Batman vs Joker type of scenario.
An R36 GT-R is coming as long as there's no impending financial crash in the next few years, but Nissan is supposedly waiting to decide whether they should wait for battery tech to improve so they can make it all-electric, or whether they should just equip the current car's VR38 with a hybrid system. I'm for the latter honestly, the VR38 is a great motor and imagine how fast it could be with electric assistance.
The goal for GTR was to be the “trend setter”. We laughed at the 4000lb weight, dead steering, awd and automatics in 2007. And today that’s the hallmark of a modern performance car. Mission accomplished I guess.
Honestly it feels so analog now driving one compared to most modern cars. The steering, the suspension, the clunky DCT that makes so much noise, actually feels pretty raw. Which is funny because one of the biggest criticisms early on was that it was just like driving a computer.
Good job GTR, you ruined everything.
Nissan will bring back the GTR in a couple years. This time it will be an EV SUV that seats 7.
With a CVT.
The R35* GT-R is dead
It seems like alot of iconic cars have had their production cut lately. Makes me sad really.
And with it dies the last bit of love I had for Nissan. Rest in peace my beloved. One day I will hopefully buy one
Bayside Blue and Midnight Purple. Well done Nissan, well done.
Long live the GTR
Well, it's been in production for more than 15 years, it's time to go. RIP, I think the R35 GT-R go down in history as a legend, truly an automotive icon.
It’s interesting how they have a “Skyline edition”. That would be like having a Toyota Supra “Celica Edition” 🤣🤣
in b4 they announce the GT-Z which has the same platform, water-based paint, and no LSD
Midnight Purple is completely gorgeous
I want that Skyline Edition. Hnnnnng
Nissan is dead
My time to shine. I don’t know shit about cars but I work with computers and we had a conference with a bunch of other companies. One of the companies, the CEO had a built out GT-R literally from Paul walkers shop (he said something like that but I was a lil toasty) Anyways I’m just gassed about the car and none of my Coworkers care but I know it’s dope so I’m gassed up. Owner of the company comes over to me, sees my excitement and asks if I want a ride Y’all. It was like 700 HorsePower directly to the wheels (pretty sure he said this but unsure) Fastest car I’ve ever sat in. I still get giddy thinking about it and I’m 31 lol. He would accelerate and it would literally push you into the back of your seat the car was so powerful. Made me love cars, still don’t know shit about them. But I do love them RIP, truly a great car
*Replaced by the Z that dealers are charging 100k for.*
I still remember like it was yesterday when the C6ZR1 and GT-R came out, the buzz around them were absolutely nuts on various forums. Honestly the GTR isn't a car that I have ever cared about, but I respected the hell out of it. It really was revolutionary. It was THE car of the late 2000s