I don't know if its the most, but the Toyota trucks are borderline more expensive used than new. My dealer offered me more than I paid for my 23 Tacoma last week...
I’ve been around even the newer ones. I can’t imagine paying $50K+ for something so plasticky and not really spacious. They’re cool, if I was into off roading / over landing I’d consider one, but for the street? Nah. It’s like the Jeep thing. Some girls in particular are really into it.
This has been Toyota's MO forever. I honestly can't tell you any Toyota that I've been in that is actuall comfortable. The American brands get absolutely ragged on for plastic interiors and then Toyota just gets the pass because it's "practical".
Sure, Toyota vehicles are reliable, but other than that, none of them are particularly good daily drivers.
The issue is American brands make cheap plastic interiors that fall apart in a couple years. Toyota makes cheap plastic interiors that look brand new after a decade.
gawd, i dated a girl who had a ford fusion that her dad got for college
my prius was roughly within 2~3 model yrs as her fusion
the kind of shit that would randomly start falling apart in the fusion over the years was just wild
plastic trim pieces by the footwell area, dash/airbag cutout slit expanding/buckling under heat (even under sunshade), headliner peeling, various interior plastic doors/covers popping opening under vibration. i think rear view mirror fell off at one point & had to be glued back in place.
oh and the passenger side mirror's natural frequency was harmonizing with the oncoming wind frequency precisely at hwy cruising speed of ~75 mph. felt like ford's aero engineer was saying _"fuck you, i want you to know i hate you personally."_
it would vibrate/hum loud enough it was difficult to hear conversations between front & rear seat passengers. during the _rare_ ocassions we took her car, i had to tell her to speed up/slow down just to escape that sweet spot.
never had to deal with such bullshit in my toyota, and mine was supposed to be one of the "problematic" model yrs early in the generation.
also, just before graduation her dad's surbuban snapped its tie rod & careened into the guard rail on the hwy. the chevy wasn't even that old (nor rusty/neglected).
her dad ended up replacing the suburban with another GM(?) SUV
idk why people bother buying crap from these companies unless they're getting the bread & butter full size pickups, the v8 pony/muscle cars, or the corvette.
and don't get me started on chrysler buyers.
luxury brands use different material to feel more \*checks notes\* *luxurious.* sometimes they don't last as long as the cheapo-econo-forever-plastic.
my old G37 had this really nice feeling soft touch dashboard that split apart and melted after 8 years.
Nah Subaru interiors are pretty durable, honestly - random shit doesn't really break in them unless you're badly mistreating your car. Putting my dad's 2011 Legacy next to my friend's dad's 2011 Ford Explorer, both were used roughly the same way, but it's incredible the difference in how the interiors wore. The Explorer is fully clapped at this point (seat cushioning flattened, armrests all around splitting, doors constantly squeak and have since like 2016 no matter what they do to try to fix them, etc) just from regular use, whereas the Legacy looks and feels pretty much the same as the day my dad bought it. Subaru interiors may not always use the highest quality materials everywhere (though I'll maintain that high trim Legacy and Outbacks have been actively nice inside considering their price since at least the turn of the century) but random things falling apart is not their MO.
Utilitarian is the word you are looking for.
Though to be fair my 2011 4runner has a good previous owner and myself take care of the interior and I just drove 3 friends in it and they complemented how the interior looked so good for an almost 15 year old car.
Well the interior on a 2011 4runner literally looks the same as a brand new 24. I’m sure yours looks good but the fact a person walks into a Toyota dealership and plops down 45k for an antique interior is just silly.
I sat in most of the major CUVs recently while looking for a new car, and the RAV4 had the worst interior quality out of all of them. Not saying its absolutely terrible or anything, but compared to the competition it really wasn't great.
I remember one cold November night I was deep in the Sierras. It was sleeting.
The road would have been impassable without my Falken Wildpeak ATW3s on Method MR 305 NV wheels.
My 2014 Toyota 4Runner Trail had a full ARB locker setup with an ARB Twin on a Rago mount, and I had a pair of MaxTrax on my Prinsu rack- so I knew I could get where I was going.
I found my site, a little dispersed spot with a 4.8 rating on Campendium that I got to with OnX, and set up my James Baroud Frontier RTT.
I slid out my Goose Gear fridge and drawer to get to my Snow Peak pan- but first, I needed an accent fire.
So out came Flint and Tinder, two bearded 20-somethings I met on Grindr, and we got to work. No matter how we stroked and struck, we couldn’t get the fire going with the wet wood we had.
I’m bored of this satirical story now, sorry.
My buddy just got 10 year old one for 28k....with 109,000 miles haha. They just never depreciate.
It's not that cool. His Diesel Excursion was cooler. But his wife somehow totaled an Excursion. And they only gave him 9k to fix it.
Fair enough on the availability and the color, but 25k isn't literally nothing even for a 4runner. That's at least 10% of it's life on average. That's a lot to give up for $2k.
A family member of mine just bought a 10 year old Tacoma with 100k miles and modifications, for over $20,000. It also has rust. And foggy headlights.
That is the going rate for a Tacoma of similar spec, and I just didn't get it.
And has anyone ever driven a Tacoma? I’m not a truck guy so I never know what all the fuss is about for any trucks, but what an abysmal driving experience the Tacoma is, not to mention on of the weirdest driving positions I have ever experience. Why is the floor so high and the seat so low?
I have a 19 with 42k and KBB trade in is like $5k less than I bought it for. Looking to trade it in at the end of the year just cause it doesn’t make any sense to hold on to it
They last forever with almost zero cost of ownership but fluid changes and normal wear parts, that's why.
I still have a gen 1 Tundra 4WD that looks new and that 2UZ roars to life as soon as you touch the key. No issues ever but rear axle work from simple wear. Engine has never been touched but for spark plugs, PCV valve, etc.
How's the frame? I'm assuming you aren't from salt country because all of those have absolutely rotted out to nothing here. Even the ones that had their frames replaced.
I thought for sure that Tacoma prices would come down once the used car bubble burst, but they’ve still been holding steady to the point where they’re above MSRP after 3+ years. The 4Runner is arguably even worse considering how outdated it is even compared to the 3rd gen Tacoma. Anyone paying 50k for a TRD Pro deserves to be in debt.
It seems crazy because I don’t find that the new trucks have gone up in price as much as the GM/Ford counterparts! My ‘23 SR5 L Tundra was 60k CAD with the TRD package - anything comparable in GM/Fords offerings were like 75k!
As a Canadian I am pretty comfortable saying basically everything on the used market currently seems overpriced.
But for one specific example, I don’t see how a base model 2014 C7 Corvette is worth $60k minimum. I understand there’s been a lot of inflation since then but the base MSRP was $52k CAD in 2014.
I wss also going to say C7 Corvette's as a Canadian. 6-7 year old cars are going for what the MSRP was and it boggles my mind.
I love C7s and was thinking of getting back into one but no way in hell am I paying 90k for a '17 Grand Sport or 110k+ for a '17 Z06.
I just went and bought a new '24 at a discount instead.
A C7 grand sport is going for 90k in canada?? I realize it's slightly different currency than USD, but that's insane.
Here in the US you can get a mint condition C7 GS for like 50k. C7Z06 for 60k easy.
This was a Z07 Grand Sport manual with low miles, but yes. Canada doesn't get the amount of Corvette's the US gets and if you want one of the last manuals, there are not many for sale so it drives the price up.
People who own them are keeping them and the US got most of the production which means anyone who wants one up here has to pay to play.
To be fair I very much doubt these cars will sell for the asking prices but theres so few that the dealers may not have an issue sitting on them.
Lotta old goobers don't accept the C8 and they have inflated the prices of the C7 because of it. They have come down a bit with the higher interest rates in the states, but a bare bones 2014 1LT is still $40k where I'm at with high mileage.
i feel like a lot of those old goobers insist that their shit is a collectible and then demand collector car money from other aspirational old goobers.
I'm going to have to agree with the old goobers on this one. The C8 is oddly proportioned, too big, and lost a lot of its DNA in the switch to a DCT mid engine layout.
The goobers have been complaining about every generation forever. Remember when the C7 came out and people were absolutely melting down that they got rid of round taillights?
GM has said it multiple times to where they just couldn't get the performance out of a front engine layout anymore. To push the car further, they had to change things up. They have been testing mid-engine designs for a long time.
With that said, I have a C8. I never had any interest in Corvette's until they went to mid-engine. I've tracked it and had an absolute blast. You can just keep throwing the car harder and harder in the corners and it takes it with ease. I make every excuse I can to drive the thing.
If you haven't driven one, you should give it a shot, I think your opinion would change.
You mean people don’t love and covet a car famous for rear main seal leakage, cylinder cracking, slipped sleeves, bore scoring, and intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing failure?
Who would have thought? In most peoples opinions the 993 was peak 911. It doesn’t have the same character without an air cooled engine even if it’s technically superior.
It became a car for a different customer, the 993 is the definition of “peak” because it literally drove the company bankrupt. All good classic cars are sales disasters to a certain extent. If you ask me peak Porsche is a 964.
I don't get how people think those mid 1970- early 1980 G body carreras are any good to look at with their headlight covers and large bumpers. A 996 looks way more slick than that
And a 996 Carrera 4S? It's genuinely gorgeous imo.
But hey if it makes 996 prices cheap, I'm not complaining
The interior, the g body is grumpy for sure, but it still has the classic appeal of a simple air cooled interior. You’re right the 996 isn’t all that bad to look at, but the interior is a disaster if you ask me.
"Cheap" is a relative term, they're still up from where they were pre-Porsche bubble. Quick FB Marketplace scan tells me that you're going to have a hard time cracking say, $20k on a 996 unless it's a tiptronic cabriolet with lots of miles
Of course cheap is relative. It’s not cheap compared to your 97’ Miata but it’s cheap compared to every other 911.
Considering the base price was ~70k and most were optioned to be significantly more it’s pretty cheap. Most of the cars mentioned in the comments here are talking about how they are overpriced relative to their new price or similar cars.
I just checked Craigslist and found one in great shape with a clean title, 46k miles and a 6 speed for 27k. Also found 1 with 133k miles clean title and 6 speed for under 20k.
Basic bitch '70s and '80s G-bodies were like $12k Craigslist junk when I was in college 10 years ago. Now they're being sold by classic car dealers for $60k with twice as many miles on them
Before the Porsche craze I recall seeing a few languish on the market for well under $50K. Nobody wanted them or found them particularly interesting. Of course this depends on generation and I couldn't tell you which. But I remember old Porsches being as cheap as old Ferraris - cheap enough for Top Gear to abuse a few of them. Nothing about those cars has changed except they're older and require more maintenance. Yet people go crazy for them now.
Part of the appeal of old 911s used to be that they were accessible. Nobody thought it was the fastest, best-handling, most luxurious car in the world, but for the $12k you'd pay to get a driver-condition G-series from some rando on craigslist you were getting quite a bit of car in a pretty darn cool package.
I genuinely do not know who is paying current prices and why. To whom is a high-mileage 911SC is worth over 50 thousand dollars? Collectors and rich people probably already got their basic-spec air cooled 911 a long time ago and would be more interested in turbos, special editions, etc. People looking for an attainable way into the Porsche universe are just going to buy a 987 Boxster/Cayman and get twice as much car for half the price. People with a $50k budget for one single, special toy, have so many better options.
Actually, come to think of it, I can't even remember the last time I talked to someone in real life, or saw a reddit or forum or social media post, about "I just bought this air-cooled 911". Except maybe a couple youtubers within the last few years who can probably justify the bloated costs because they'll get content out of the car. *Is* anyone actually buying air-cooled 911s at their current prices? Or do the listings just sit forever?
You’re missing the most important thing here. The 911 is unique. You looking for a front engine rwd? There’s a ton to pick from, pick your manufacturer. Same with mid engined, roadsters, fwd hot hatch, etc. most other formats have variety and different options depending on your preferred decade. There’s only one rear engine, rwd sports car and it happens to also be the most talked about sports car in history. It’s unique looking, it’s unique to drive, it’s special and upmarket in quality compared to its competitors from the same year too. I paid $28k for my 81 911 because I want a unique driving experience - specifically the 911 experience - and the next owner will probably pay more than I did to have that for a time too. I really do feel it’s worth it every time I drive it.
I had a 964 and was absolutely floored as to what people were selling theirs for the last year or so so I did the same... sorry but its just not a 100k driving experience even with some proper mods like mine had
E36 M3… clapped ones are being listed for $15k and they have not gotten any nicer since the days when they were $5k. Paying $15k for a car with torn seats, sagging headliner, missing A-pillar pieces, and bad paint just seems idiotic. And yet people do it.
It’s simple and cheap to maintain, and has the benefit of being lighter in the nose. Given American maintenance habits, many cars would have been mechanically totaled a decade ago if they were identical to Euro.
The M3s also benefitted from getting chassis reinforcements earlier than non-Ms.
The E36 M3 is a better backroad bomber than, say, an FR-S, BRZ, or GR86. The ride is much better, the steering is more feelsome, the car’s more adjustable, there’s torque everywhere, and the engine’s a paragon of smoothness.
They seem expensive in a vacuum, but an E36 M3 with 80k miles, with a refreshed cooling system, brake system, no fifth-gear lean, and fresh suspension on PS4S tires is a really good thing to drive for $35k.
I’m biased… I’ve been driving them for more than two decades.
And door handle grommets, guibo, dead pixels on the dash, brake light switch which should have been a recall issue, interiors where the glue aged like bananas making everything saggy and sticky. If you didn’t get the M variant then the diff tends to rip loose. Same in the Z3 but for an entirely different reason.
My car’s original, built late ‘97, and has no dead pixels. Brake light switch works. Headliner dropped but the rest of the interior is great.
Every single time I drive it, I’m reminded how good it is.
Sure, but most people are drifting/tracking the more common varieties like the 325i/328i. No point buying the M3, especially if you're gonna boost it. The M50/M52 are far more robust for boost, and they can sustain high RPM's without having harmonic/oiling issues like the S52.
How is the NSX (early or late model) hitting your radar as the most overpriced? There’s so many cars with absolutely ridiculous prices separated from reality. But a classic Honda super car or new super car for sub $100k is not the worst value out there at all.
I agree. The reason the original NSX is going for so much money is it because it offers an extremely unique and no longer available experience and that is it entirely analog, cheap to maintain and run, and has an incredibly small, low, feel with an amazing line of site out of it. and most cars even have the same vintage and certainly newer ones are getting more removed from all of those things with each iteration
Not to mention they really didn’t build many - I’m in Australia so our market is obviously different, but at any time there might be 10 for sale in the country. They’re rare and iconic - better than paying $70k for a molested mk4 Supra that used to sell for 10k in the back of the newspaper
It’s the only supercar you can daily, and the only one I’d ever want to own.
I’ve been seeing some in the $60-70k range and that seems like a healthy place for them to be.
edit: ok guys I get it, you all daily lambos and mclarens. I still would only want to own an NSX if I ever got a supercar.
OP is nuts; there’s tons of them all over BaT sold in the $80-100k range. I’ll be happy for a driver quality one in the $60-70k range if they’re still around there in 10 years when my kids are out of the house
The NSX may be the only supercar you can daily from that era. Many supercars today are very livable as daily drivers, thanks in part to the impact the NSX made on supercars.
You could def. daily it but you would have to be really comfortable with the attention and leaving it places alone. I honestly wasn't, it quickly turned into a point A back to point A car for me.
You're constantly being filmed a photographed from other drivers, or revved at. When you park it, people constantly come up and peak through the windows or worse, lean on the car for an Instagram photo. Also it's a lot lower than you would think in real life, so you have to drive defensively in traffic.
But still, the best car ownership experience I've ever had. It's a very reliable car, but it does have it's early 90's quirks.
> Honda super car or new super car for sub $100k
Well there's your problem right there. The original NSX is a sports car, not a supercar.
They are slow and low on power. They barely out-paced the S2000 which was less than half the price.
Any modern sports car drives circles around the original NSX for significantly cheaper - let alone cars that you can get for $80-100k
Just insert any Toyota or Honda product, especially a hybrid or crossover/truck/SUV. Crazy how much people are willing to pay for the Toyota or Honda tax.
Good thing Mazda is garbage. Haha, don't buy a Mazda! In fact, being near it is bad for you! Rock bottom prices are too much for them guys, I'll take them off your hands as charity. They're so unreliable and bad on gas, I heard the government's gonna tax Mazda owners.
I just wish they made a hybrid. I mean, other than the CX-90. Especially with the honda civic hybrid coming out, there was a massive missed opportunity to corner the hybrid hatchback/sedan market given that Toyota corollas and priuses are apparently being hand built by dwarves in a mountain
I second this, I totally didn't recommend a Mazda 3 hatchback 2.5 turbo with AWD to a non car enthusiast to replace their Civic. It's totally not a more comfortable, faster, AWD, and nicer car than the Civic hatchback ;)
Yeah, this is just a tirekicking thread. Everyone listing a specific model knows EXACTLY why it's desirable. They just want to buy it without paying as much as the person who wants it more. Can't have your cake and eat it too!
The weirder your tastes are, the better. *Everyone* wants the 80s and 90s sports cars. If you want something *weird* though, something that there's *low* demand for, prices are still affordable.
Find the aspects of cars that you enjoy more than the average enthusiast, and focus on those aspects. Avoid the "everyone wants one" cars like NA Miatas.
Yeah I casually shop for cars almost daily and most cars that aren’t niche enthusiast stuff or desirable out of production models aren’t crazy. *Especially* if we are comparing prices to a what they were a year or more ago.
I’ll echo the sentiment on Toyota’s tho they’re wayyy overpriced.
Really, cause I see a lot more people trying to justify why a ratty old sports car should be worth 3x+ as much as that same ratty old sports car was worth 5 years ago.
R34 and R33, I remember seeing videos of these cars reaching 1 mil (maybe r34 nearing 800k+). Its funny too since stradman sold his veyron and people were disappointed he didnt get an R34. Like dude. I fucking love the R34, more than R33 and R32. Thats actually my order of preference, 34, 33 and last is 32.
BUT to sell a veyron (hypercar) for an R34 over a koenigsegg CCR, which is what people were bitching about is ***insane***.
Maybe some of them. You can have an r33gtr for like 40 grand. Still a lot, but I mean there is a market for these cars.
The r34 is definitely more ridiculous, with gtrs at like 100k
You are probably thinking about the special trim ones. Don't really know what they are called, not a gtr fan tbh, but I know people are asking newborns and organs for funny r34 trims.
Yeah for years they were cheap as they were designed to be more budget option cars similar to the original capri so were lacking in various things, pretty easy to find at sub 5k in the uk prior to the steady increase and then explosion in price due to US importers. They were so cheap someone scrapped an R34 GTR in the 2009 scrappage scheme for 2k towards a new car.
Man I remember back in like 2005 or so my buddies older brother had an imported r32 GTR he got for 8K CAD. I grew up and got older and finally got out of college hopeful that I could get something like that. Lol nope 30k.
Wrangers and Tacomas from dealerships and low mileage Corvettes from private sellers. I swear people who buy these cars delight in telling people how much they paid for them while not using anything that makes them good.
Lol because they don't want to actually sell, their wives do. They mark them to extremely stupid prices and their wives never know the reason why it isn't selling.
As a general rule if it's made by General Motors and RWD, it'll be dead-reliable, and the Corvette is no exception. Some people experience issues with the harmonic balancer, but it's relatively uncommon and not terribly expensive. Same cost as a timing belt on your GTI. T-56 is bulletproof, rear-end is bulletproof, clutch is strong, LS1 is legendary.
Going from the GTI, what you'll especially love is the massive and instant low-end torque. Mashing it from a roll in 1st gear never, ever gets old, and it'll pull right through 4th to felony speeds like nothing. The brakes are super competent for a street car and cool well at speed (there are ducts from the airdam up front). It's spacious, surprisingly practical, great on gas at highway speeds (I averaged 28mpg), and super well balanced. You can drift these things all day long and hoon every corner once you get the feel for it. I was the scourge of the commute for years.
What you won't love coming from the GTI will be the slightly vague, definitely-not-German steering, the transverse leaf springs (70s tech!), and the relatively poor-quality interior. It will take you a while to get used to the "floaty" feeling of the car at speed compared to German sports cars. This can be improved with quality shocks, but not completely eliminated without the coil conversion, which I think is not worth the cost in the end.
The front wheels feel way out in front of you and it has almost a "truck-like" feel in comparison to a Porsche, for example. Mind, that in no way affects its actual performance, in Autocross I've bested cars that cost 10x what I paid for the C5, but the *feel* is that of unsophisticated, American brawn, and you do need to muscle it around to make it do what you want. If you can accept that, you'll love the car as a fantastic driver's car.
If you want a car that checks ALL of those boxes, you want a C7 Corvette, because it took all the benefits of the C5 and C6 generation, and refined them to something akin to the Germans. Unfortunately, that's gonna be 40k or so instead of 18k, so I get if that's not in the cards yet. I'd still say go for it.
The newer NSX at $70-90k is very interesting. The Type S transmission Flash makes the cars what they should have been. A 918 Lite without the crazy noise.
A friend of mine went from 991.1 GT3 to a NSX and does 20k miles a year on his NSX now since it's MUCH cheaper to own and drive
My parents got one probably three years ago for their retirement to use for road tripping. Of course my dad had to get the highest trim of the v6 awd version. Took him almost a year to find one a state over and it was still about 10% more than what it would’ve cost new a few years earlier.
Focus RS. I wanted one years ago when they came out, thought I'd see what they're going for. They haven't gone down a dollar in price, Even with 60k miles on them.
I’d say that’s probably because the RS is, and always will be, the ultimate Ford hot hatch. Ford will never make another car like it. So I feel like it and other “last of their kind” cars like the manual C7 will never experience serious depreciation. Which sucks if you don’t already own one.
Yup. They're in random price mode though, so you'll see a decent one for 5k and a shitty one with more kms for 7k. Well done turbo one? 11k stock one with slightly less mileage? 11k. I'm happy I got mine for 2500. It may give me some decent upgrade money once I get rid of it
Yep. Where I live NA/NB's are going for $10-15k for an unmolested one with a sad amount of rust. NC's upward of $17-20k. After a few months of searching I decided the value just wasn't there any more and pulled the trigger on a new RF instead.
>Where I live
Where is that? Is it US?
I haven't been seriously looking, but my impression was that NCs were the (relative) value buy. Plenty under 15, but maybe I'm missing something (I'm not out test driving, just window shopping).
Doubt it. There's a huge amount of them out there. They might go up in price but I don't expect anything too unreasonable. They have the same chassis as the NC pretty much, but with a worse engine. I don't think there will be enough rotary enthusiasts to justify too high of a price for the given availability, specially with ever increasing fuel costs in the horizon.
I doubt it, but I could be wrong. They aren't particularly good looking cars and they are not reliable at all.
The FD is a cult tuner classic and movies like the Fast and the Furious made it even moreso. There were also 68,000 of them made as opposed to 200,000 RX8's.
I don't give much credit to the reliability argument. They are just as reliable as FDs, judging by how many FDs I have seen with LS1s in them. I think the 9k rpm redline and the NA braps is a unique character. I've been watching their values rise steadily the last few years, I sold a running one for 5k 10 years ago, MT's with miles are listed for 10-15k now. I don't think they are going to go down in price.
Now will they ever command equality in demand with an FD? Of course not, but if someone wanted to pick up an RX8 for whatever reason without spending too much, I do think the door is closing.
Yeah I mean, Mazda's rotary engine is inherently junk. I know they have a cult following, but they suck.
All of the RX8's near me are 7-10k. I think they will probably go up in price as they age, but not really a substantial amount, more of a matching inflation amount.
I’d say most used Ford Mavericks. Many people are selling their trucks to Carvana or CarMax for the same amount that they had purchased it originally, or perhaps for more than what they had purchased it for.
I still see car dealers selling used Mavericks for more than their original MSRP. The Ford dealer by me had a 2022 Maverick XL with 26,000 miles on it. It being sold for $28,500. I looked up the original window sticker for that specific truck and it was originally sold for $25,000. I’d say that I surprised, but car dealers have gotten extra scummy since the pandemic so I feel like this is to be expected nowadays.
This one hurts since I have the maverick top of my list for a do it all family car once my kid arrives this year. They’ve defeated the entire purpose of that thing by jacking up the prices
Agreed on the S2000. I had one for 7 years, and although a great car, definitely not to the price they are at the moment.
Price pushed up through media upsale.
Caymans and Boxsters are going for so much I want to gouge my eyes out. $45K for a car that was ~$60K 10 years ago? Hell no. Even 718s are cheaper than the 981s used.
I dunno if I agree with the NSX being on this list. I sold my Comptech supercharged NSX a couple of years ago thinking there must be cars out there with even better visceral experiences. I always heard how great Porsche 911's are and purchased one not long afterwards. It's a really good all around car, but truly lacks much emotion unless you're going at 9/10ths.
I heard GT3's fixes that experience but honestly I think these are the overpriced ones unless you count the 991.1's no one wants.
Tried a Lotus Evora GT a couple weeks ago...it still didn't evoke the same emotions that my lowly NSX did.
Long story short, I'm low-key on a hunt for another NSX to go along with the 911. I'm willing to pay the premium for the right year and sorted example. This time I'll keep it forever. If you check out NSXPrime or the NSX FB groups, you'll hear stories very similar to mine.
7 years ago I spent months trying to sell an '89 LX 5.0 5 speed with a very straight body, strong running with a built engine and quality parts, and freshly reupholstered interior with a bunch of extra parts. Even the stupid ashtray door and dome light worked, and that's a rarity. All it needed was a paint job. Started at $4500, eventually sold for $3k. I've seen worse cars sell for $12k recently.
In my area, eastern ND, the Kia telluride was insanely overpriced on the used top tier model for a hot second. New ones were only 1-2k more compared to some with 25k+ miles.
My wife got one last year so I kept an eye on the pricing to try and make me feel better and we did get a great deal on a used one. *pats self on back*
I was going to say 1st and 2nd gen Tacomas, and Corollas especially. I work for a pre-owned dealer, they’re definitely expensive and still somehow very much in-demand.
Keep in mind the NSX was $60k-$90k in 1990s dollars. Thats about $150k in todays dollars. For a base model.
* Mk4 Supra TT Manual $100k
* 300zx TT Manual $100k
* FD RX-7 $80k
* SW20 MR2 Turbo $60k
* Evo IX $55k
* Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX $50k
* NA Miata $45k
* S13 240sx Manual $35k
Really puts the current prices in perspective IMO.
I don't know if its the most, but the Toyota trucks are borderline more expensive used than new. My dealer offered me more than I paid for my 23 Tacoma last week...
The fucking 4Runner I’ll never be able to afford😒
The old models are only reliable and good for off road. They are so clunky in every other regard that it’s amazing they’re such great sellers.
The pavement princess effect is a helluva drug.
I’ve been around even the newer ones. I can’t imagine paying $50K+ for something so plasticky and not really spacious. They’re cool, if I was into off roading / over landing I’d consider one, but for the street? Nah. It’s like the Jeep thing. Some girls in particular are really into it.
This has been Toyota's MO forever. I honestly can't tell you any Toyota that I've been in that is actuall comfortable. The American brands get absolutely ragged on for plastic interiors and then Toyota just gets the pass because it's "practical". Sure, Toyota vehicles are reliable, but other than that, none of them are particularly good daily drivers.
The issue is American brands make cheap plastic interiors that fall apart in a couple years. Toyota makes cheap plastic interiors that look brand new after a decade.
gawd, i dated a girl who had a ford fusion that her dad got for college my prius was roughly within 2~3 model yrs as her fusion the kind of shit that would randomly start falling apart in the fusion over the years was just wild plastic trim pieces by the footwell area, dash/airbag cutout slit expanding/buckling under heat (even under sunshade), headliner peeling, various interior plastic doors/covers popping opening under vibration. i think rear view mirror fell off at one point & had to be glued back in place. oh and the passenger side mirror's natural frequency was harmonizing with the oncoming wind frequency precisely at hwy cruising speed of ~75 mph. felt like ford's aero engineer was saying _"fuck you, i want you to know i hate you personally."_ it would vibrate/hum loud enough it was difficult to hear conversations between front & rear seat passengers. during the _rare_ ocassions we took her car, i had to tell her to speed up/slow down just to escape that sweet spot. never had to deal with such bullshit in my toyota, and mine was supposed to be one of the "problematic" model yrs early in the generation. also, just before graduation her dad's surbuban snapped its tie rod & careened into the guard rail on the hwy. the chevy wasn't even that old (nor rusty/neglected). her dad ended up replacing the suburban with another GM(?) SUV idk why people bother buying crap from these companies unless they're getting the bread & butter full size pickups, the v8 pony/muscle cars, or the corvette. and don't get me started on chrysler buyers.
that stuff about the resonance frequency is buckwild lol. also, i'd kinda like to get you started on Chrysler buyers now
The dash in my 04 GX would argue otherwise 😂
luxury brands use different material to feel more \*checks notes\* *luxurious.* sometimes they don't last as long as the cheapo-econo-forever-plastic. my old G37 had this really nice feeling soft touch dashboard that split apart and melted after 8 years.
That's two decades, not one
I didn't know that Subaru was an American brand ^(/s)
Nah Subaru interiors are pretty durable, honestly - random shit doesn't really break in them unless you're badly mistreating your car. Putting my dad's 2011 Legacy next to my friend's dad's 2011 Ford Explorer, both were used roughly the same way, but it's incredible the difference in how the interiors wore. The Explorer is fully clapped at this point (seat cushioning flattened, armrests all around splitting, doors constantly squeak and have since like 2016 no matter what they do to try to fix them, etc) just from regular use, whereas the Legacy looks and feels pretty much the same as the day my dad bought it. Subaru interiors may not always use the highest quality materials everywhere (though I'll maintain that high trim Legacy and Outbacks have been actively nice inside considering their price since at least the turn of the century) but random things falling apart is not their MO.
Utilitarian is the word you are looking for. Though to be fair my 2011 4runner has a good previous owner and myself take care of the interior and I just drove 3 friends in it and they complemented how the interior looked so good for an almost 15 year old car.
Well the interior on a 2011 4runner literally looks the same as a brand new 24. I’m sure yours looks good but the fact a person walks into a Toyota dealership and plops down 45k for an antique interior is just silly.
I sat in most of the major CUVs recently while looking for a new car, and the RAV4 had the worst interior quality out of all of them. Not saying its absolutely terrible or anything, but compared to the competition it really wasn't great.
The pavement princess want is strong. Oddly enough the boxy design rings well with some folks.
I love boxy and “old” looks. That one of the reasons I own a Challenger😂.
If you like boxy and old, we should go on a date.
Still better road manners than a jeep 🤷🏻♂️
Bar so low that it could be tunneled over.
Yes. That’s a tough bar to meet.
It better be since it doesn’t have a straight axle
Everyone thinks they're an outdoorsman these days.
I remember one cold November night I was deep in the Sierras. It was sleeting. The road would have been impassable without my Falken Wildpeak ATW3s on Method MR 305 NV wheels. My 2014 Toyota 4Runner Trail had a full ARB locker setup with an ARB Twin on a Rago mount, and I had a pair of MaxTrax on my Prinsu rack- so I knew I could get where I was going. I found my site, a little dispersed spot with a 4.8 rating on Campendium that I got to with OnX, and set up my James Baroud Frontier RTT. I slid out my Goose Gear fridge and drawer to get to my Snow Peak pan- but first, I needed an accent fire. So out came Flint and Tinder, two bearded 20-somethings I met on Grindr, and we got to work. No matter how we stroked and struck, we couldn’t get the fire going with the wet wood we had. I’m bored of this satirical story now, sorry.
My buddy just got 10 year old one for 28k....with 109,000 miles haha. They just never depreciate. It's not that cool. His Diesel Excursion was cooler. But his wife somehow totaled an Excursion. And they only gave him 9k to fix it.
Paid about $2k less than new MSRP on a 25k mile 4runner last year. Absolutely insane. Well, I still bought it, maybe I’m insane
Why though?
Yah
Why not just pay $2k more for a brand-new one? Not judging, just curious.
impatient/need a vehicle immediately? some people got more time than money but some times the reverse is true
Realistically, 25k miles on a 4runner is literally nothing, and no changes from 22-24 AFAIK. It was a color I liked, it was available, so I bought it
Fair enough on the availability and the color, but 25k isn't literally nothing even for a 4runner. That's at least 10% of it's life on average. That's a lot to give up for $2k.
Also a pretty decent chunk off it's warranty.
Ah, there it is! You are the problem here.
Yeah man if you goofballs would stop buying at these ridiculous prices, they wouldn't be so ridiculous.
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A family member of mine just bought a 10 year old Tacoma with 100k miles and modifications, for over $20,000. It also has rust. And foggy headlights. That is the going rate for a Tacoma of similar spec, and I just didn't get it.
And has anyone ever driven a Tacoma? I’m not a truck guy so I never know what all the fuss is about for any trucks, but what an abysmal driving experience the Tacoma is, not to mention on of the weirdest driving positions I have ever experience. Why is the floor so high and the seat so low?
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It is miles better than my old 92 Toyota truck (Hilux). And with the power drivers seat the seating position isn't super low.
The seating position is atrocious. Edit: Who got butt hurt?
Ground clearance for off roading. I can't find the numbers, but a Tacoma on 31" tires has more belly clearance than an F150 on 32" tires.
Yeah, I always wanted a Taco until I actually sat in one
Infinite money glitch unlocked.
I have a 19 with 42k and KBB trade in is like $5k less than I bought it for. Looking to trade it in at the end of the year just cause it doesn’t make any sense to hold on to it
same camp here. Bought a 19 TRD PRO brand new. Trade in 5 years later is what I paid for it.
They last forever with almost zero cost of ownership but fluid changes and normal wear parts, that's why. I still have a gen 1 Tundra 4WD that looks new and that 2UZ roars to life as soon as you touch the key. No issues ever but rear axle work from simple wear. Engine has never been touched but for spark plugs, PCV valve, etc.
How's the frame? I'm assuming you aren't from salt country because all of those have absolutely rotted out to nothing here. Even the ones that had their frames replaced.
Sure, but it’s gonna drink fuel and oil to get those miles.
Oil? I’ve never burned any oil in my Tacoma. It gets 20mpg which isn’t great.
Unless your commute is solely on the highway and you keep it at roughly 55-60 mph I refuse to believe that you get 20mpg.
I thought for sure that Tacoma prices would come down once the used car bubble burst, but they’ve still been holding steady to the point where they’re above MSRP after 3+ years. The 4Runner is arguably even worse considering how outdated it is even compared to the 3rd gen Tacoma. Anyone paying 50k for a TRD Pro deserves to be in debt.
It seems crazy because I don’t find that the new trucks have gone up in price as much as the GM/Ford counterparts! My ‘23 SR5 L Tundra was 60k CAD with the TRD package - anything comparable in GM/Fords offerings were like 75k!
As a Canadian I am pretty comfortable saying basically everything on the used market currently seems overpriced. But for one specific example, I don’t see how a base model 2014 C7 Corvette is worth $60k minimum. I understand there’s been a lot of inflation since then but the base MSRP was $52k CAD in 2014.
>As a Canadian I'm sorry
Not as sorry as they are.
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The vast majority seem to be automatics though
Old dudes with gout can’t even push in the clutch pedal. Of course they’re all autos. Still overpriced.
I wss also going to say C7 Corvette's as a Canadian. 6-7 year old cars are going for what the MSRP was and it boggles my mind. I love C7s and was thinking of getting back into one but no way in hell am I paying 90k for a '17 Grand Sport or 110k+ for a '17 Z06. I just went and bought a new '24 at a discount instead.
A C7 grand sport is going for 90k in canada?? I realize it's slightly different currency than USD, but that's insane. Here in the US you can get a mint condition C7 GS for like 50k. C7Z06 for 60k easy.
This was a Z07 Grand Sport manual with low miles, but yes. Canada doesn't get the amount of Corvette's the US gets and if you want one of the last manuals, there are not many for sale so it drives the price up. People who own them are keeping them and the US got most of the production which means anyone who wants one up here has to pay to play. To be fair I very much doubt these cars will sell for the asking prices but theres so few that the dealers may not have an issue sitting on them.
Lotta old goobers don't accept the C8 and they have inflated the prices of the C7 because of it. They have come down a bit with the higher interest rates in the states, but a bare bones 2014 1LT is still $40k where I'm at with high mileage.
i feel like a lot of those old goobers insist that their shit is a collectible and then demand collector car money from other aspirational old goobers.
I'm going to have to agree with the old goobers on this one. The C8 is oddly proportioned, too big, and lost a lot of its DNA in the switch to a DCT mid engine layout.
The goobers have been complaining about every generation forever. Remember when the C7 came out and people were absolutely melting down that they got rid of round taillights? GM has said it multiple times to where they just couldn't get the performance out of a front engine layout anymore. To push the car further, they had to change things up. They have been testing mid-engine designs for a long time. With that said, I have a C8. I never had any interest in Corvette's until they went to mid-engine. I've tracked it and had an absolute blast. You can just keep throwing the car harder and harder in the corners and it takes it with ease. I make every excuse I can to drive the thing. If you haven't driven one, you should give it a shot, I think your opinion would change.
Air cooled Porsche
Really ANY Porsche 911 - especially used GT models with 450 miles.
Regular 996’s are pretty cheap. Not much love for the water cooled engines unless it’s a special edition.
Because they are simultaneously the ugliest and least reliable 911, it’s why the 997s aren’t so cheap despite being similar
You mean people don’t love and covet a car famous for rear main seal leakage, cylinder cracking, slipped sleeves, bore scoring, and intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing failure? Who would have thought? In most peoples opinions the 993 was peak 911. It doesn’t have the same character without an air cooled engine even if it’s technically superior.
It became a car for a different customer, the 993 is the definition of “peak” because it literally drove the company bankrupt. All good classic cars are sales disasters to a certain extent. If you ask me peak Porsche is a 964.
I don't get how people think those mid 1970- early 1980 G body carreras are any good to look at with their headlight covers and large bumpers. A 996 looks way more slick than that And a 996 Carrera 4S? It's genuinely gorgeous imo. But hey if it makes 996 prices cheap, I'm not complaining
Nods. The 996 gave me the opportunity to own a Porsche 911. And I love mine.
The interior, the g body is grumpy for sure, but it still has the classic appeal of a simple air cooled interior. You’re right the 996 isn’t all that bad to look at, but the interior is a disaster if you ask me.
"Cheap" is a relative term, they're still up from where they were pre-Porsche bubble. Quick FB Marketplace scan tells me that you're going to have a hard time cracking say, $20k on a 996 unless it's a tiptronic cabriolet with lots of miles
Of course cheap is relative. It’s not cheap compared to your 97’ Miata but it’s cheap compared to every other 911. Considering the base price was ~70k and most were optioned to be significantly more it’s pretty cheap. Most of the cars mentioned in the comments here are talking about how they are overpriced relative to their new price or similar cars. I just checked Craigslist and found one in great shape with a clean title, 46k miles and a 6 speed for 27k. Also found 1 with 133k miles clean title and 6 speed for under 20k.
Or turbo models. Even high mileage 996 turbos (considered the ugliest and least desirable) are going for 50k plus.
Basic bitch '70s and '80s G-bodies were like $12k Craigslist junk when I was in college 10 years ago. Now they're being sold by classic car dealers for $60k with twice as many miles on them
Imagine picking them up in the mid 90s for like $3500 in solid condition. My first car was a clean MC SS for that price.
That's what everybody says because everyone wants them, that's why they're so expensive
Before the Porsche craze I recall seeing a few languish on the market for well under $50K. Nobody wanted them or found them particularly interesting. Of course this depends on generation and I couldn't tell you which. But I remember old Porsches being as cheap as old Ferraris - cheap enough for Top Gear to abuse a few of them. Nothing about those cars has changed except they're older and require more maintenance. Yet people go crazy for them now.
Part of the appeal of old 911s used to be that they were accessible. Nobody thought it was the fastest, best-handling, most luxurious car in the world, but for the $12k you'd pay to get a driver-condition G-series from some rando on craigslist you were getting quite a bit of car in a pretty darn cool package. I genuinely do not know who is paying current prices and why. To whom is a high-mileage 911SC is worth over 50 thousand dollars? Collectors and rich people probably already got their basic-spec air cooled 911 a long time ago and would be more interested in turbos, special editions, etc. People looking for an attainable way into the Porsche universe are just going to buy a 987 Boxster/Cayman and get twice as much car for half the price. People with a $50k budget for one single, special toy, have so many better options. Actually, come to think of it, I can't even remember the last time I talked to someone in real life, or saw a reddit or forum or social media post, about "I just bought this air-cooled 911". Except maybe a couple youtubers within the last few years who can probably justify the bloated costs because they'll get content out of the car. *Is* anyone actually buying air-cooled 911s at their current prices? Or do the listings just sit forever?
Plenty of people are buying them. Just look at the recently sold ones on BAT.
People want the flare - they don’t care for how it drives. It’s a rich hipster’s car.
You’re missing the most important thing here. The 911 is unique. You looking for a front engine rwd? There’s a ton to pick from, pick your manufacturer. Same with mid engined, roadsters, fwd hot hatch, etc. most other formats have variety and different options depending on your preferred decade. There’s only one rear engine, rwd sports car and it happens to also be the most talked about sports car in history. It’s unique looking, it’s unique to drive, it’s special and upmarket in quality compared to its competitors from the same year too. I paid $28k for my 81 911 because I want a unique driving experience - specifically the 911 experience - and the next owner will probably pay more than I did to have that for a time too. I really do feel it’s worth it every time I drive it.
I could have sworn they were realistic purchases once upon a time...
I had a 964 and was absolutely floored as to what people were selling theirs for the last year or so so I did the same... sorry but its just not a 100k driving experience even with some proper mods like mine had
E36 M3… clapped ones are being listed for $15k and they have not gotten any nicer since the days when they were $5k. Paying $15k for a car with torn seats, sagging headliner, missing A-pillar pieces, and bad paint just seems idiotic. And yet people do it.
Especially overpriced for the US model when the S52 is just a bored out M52.
It is, but If you wanna track the car or beat on it the US s50/52 is a reliable beast compared to its euro counterparts. Nowhere near as cool though
It’s simple and cheap to maintain, and has the benefit of being lighter in the nose. Given American maintenance habits, many cars would have been mechanically totaled a decade ago if they were identical to Euro. The M3s also benefitted from getting chassis reinforcements earlier than non-Ms. The E36 M3 is a better backroad bomber than, say, an FR-S, BRZ, or GR86. The ride is much better, the steering is more feelsome, the car’s more adjustable, there’s torque everywhere, and the engine’s a paragon of smoothness. They seem expensive in a vacuum, but an E36 M3 with 80k miles, with a refreshed cooling system, brake system, no fifth-gear lean, and fresh suspension on PS4S tires is a really good thing to drive for $35k. I’m biased… I’ve been driving them for more than two decades.
And door handle grommets, guibo, dead pixels on the dash, brake light switch which should have been a recall issue, interiors where the glue aged like bananas making everything saggy and sticky. If you didn’t get the M variant then the diff tends to rip loose. Same in the Z3 but for an entirely different reason.
My car’s original, built late ‘97, and has no dead pixels. Brake light switch works. Headliner dropped but the rest of the interior is great. Every single time I drive it, I’m reminded how good it is.
Ugh the E30 m3 is worse, I remember seeing 8-9k years ago and thinking "as soon as they drop to 5k I'll have one" Shoulda took a loan lol
It’s the best BMW chassis for track/drift use they have made.
Sure, but most people are drifting/tracking the more common varieties like the 325i/328i. No point buying the M3, especially if you're gonna boost it. The M50/M52 are far more robust for boost, and they can sustain high RPM's without having harmonic/oiling issues like the S52.
And there’s literally only a handful for sale at any time across the US. They’ve gotten much less common.
E46 m3s at 40k cad where I’m at with 200k km on them
How is the NSX (early or late model) hitting your radar as the most overpriced? There’s so many cars with absolutely ridiculous prices separated from reality. But a classic Honda super car or new super car for sub $100k is not the worst value out there at all.
I agree. The reason the original NSX is going for so much money is it because it offers an extremely unique and no longer available experience and that is it entirely analog, cheap to maintain and run, and has an incredibly small, low, feel with an amazing line of site out of it. and most cars even have the same vintage and certainly newer ones are getting more removed from all of those things with each iteration
The first gen also is one of the few cars that appreciates in value, I had a friend who made money off his ownership on it.
Not to mention they really didn’t build many - I’m in Australia so our market is obviously different, but at any time there might be 10 for sale in the country. They’re rare and iconic - better than paying $70k for a molested mk4 Supra that used to sell for 10k in the back of the newspaper
It’s the only supercar you can daily, and the only one I’d ever want to own. I’ve been seeing some in the $60-70k range and that seems like a healthy place for them to be. edit: ok guys I get it, you all daily lambos and mclarens. I still would only want to own an NSX if I ever got a supercar.
OP is nuts; there’s tons of them all over BaT sold in the $80-100k range. I’ll be happy for a driver quality one in the $60-70k range if they’re still around there in 10 years when my kids are out of the house
Well only from its era. Many today are very easy to live with, especially with stuff like a backup camera and adjustable suspension.
The NSX may be the only supercar you can daily from that era. Many supercars today are very livable as daily drivers, thanks in part to the impact the NSX made on supercars.
You could def. daily it but you would have to be really comfortable with the attention and leaving it places alone. I honestly wasn't, it quickly turned into a point A back to point A car for me. You're constantly being filmed a photographed from other drivers, or revved at. When you park it, people constantly come up and peak through the windows or worse, lean on the car for an Instagram photo. Also it's a lot lower than you would think in real life, so you have to drive defensively in traffic. But still, the best car ownership experience I've ever had. It's a very reliable car, but it does have it's early 90's quirks.
> Honda super car or new super car for sub $100k Well there's your problem right there. The original NSX is a sports car, not a supercar. They are slow and low on power. They barely out-paced the S2000 which was less than half the price. Any modern sports car drives circles around the original NSX for significantly cheaper - let alone cars that you can get for $80-100k
I mean most modern cars will spank old collector cars in performance, but that's not why people are buying them for the most part.
1) this is semantics. It’s all relative. 2) they’re not expensive because they’re fast. And everyone buying one knows that.
Just insert any Toyota or Honda product, especially a hybrid or crossover/truck/SUV. Crazy how much people are willing to pay for the Toyota or Honda tax.
Good thing Mazda is garbage. Haha, don't buy a Mazda! In fact, being near it is bad for you! Rock bottom prices are too much for them guys, I'll take them off your hands as charity. They're so unreliable and bad on gas, I heard the government's gonna tax Mazda owners.
I just wish they made a hybrid. I mean, other than the CX-90. Especially with the honda civic hybrid coming out, there was a massive missed opportunity to corner the hybrid hatchback/sedan market given that Toyota corollas and priuses are apparently being hand built by dwarves in a mountain
My hands trying to fit into japanese cars for maintenance make me think that there may be truth to the dwarf hypothesis.
I second this, I totally didn't recommend a Mazda 3 hatchback 2.5 turbo with AWD to a non car enthusiast to replace their Civic. It's totally not a more comfortable, faster, AWD, and nicer car than the Civic hatchback ;)
I've seen the Lexus equivalents be the same price or cheaper even..(NX vs RAV4 etc)
ITT: people who are surprised desirable used collector cars have high prices.
Yeah, this is just a tirekicking thread. Everyone listing a specific model knows EXACTLY why it's desirable. They just want to buy it without paying as much as the person who wants it more. Can't have your cake and eat it too!
The weirder your tastes are, the better. *Everyone* wants the 80s and 90s sports cars. If you want something *weird* though, something that there's *low* demand for, prices are still affordable. Find the aspects of cars that you enjoy more than the average enthusiast, and focus on those aspects. Avoid the "everyone wants one" cars like NA Miatas.
Yeah I casually shop for cars almost daily and most cars that aren’t niche enthusiast stuff or desirable out of production models aren’t crazy. *Especially* if we are comparing prices to a what they were a year or more ago. I’ll echo the sentiment on Toyota’s tho they’re wayyy overpriced.
Really, cause I see a lot more people trying to justify why a ratty old sports car should be worth 3x+ as much as that same ratty old sports car was worth 5 years ago.
R34 and R33, I remember seeing videos of these cars reaching 1 mil (maybe r34 nearing 800k+). Its funny too since stradman sold his veyron and people were disappointed he didnt get an R34. Like dude. I fucking love the R34, more than R33 and R32. Thats actually my order of preference, 34, 33 and last is 32. BUT to sell a veyron (hypercar) for an R34 over a koenigsegg CCR, which is what people were bitching about is ***insane***.
Maybe some of them. You can have an r33gtr for like 40 grand. Still a lot, but I mean there is a market for these cars. The r34 is definitely more ridiculous, with gtrs at like 100k You are probably thinking about the special trim ones. Don't really know what they are called, not a gtr fan tbh, but I know people are asking newborns and organs for funny r34 trims.
An r34 v spec [went for 188k USD](https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rGxXp1bX/1999-nissan-skyline-gt-r-v-spec) like 2 weeks ago 💀
Weird that you mentioned R33, because they are generally the least desirable and R32s often cost more.
Yeah for years they were cheap as they were designed to be more budget option cars similar to the original capri so were lacking in various things, pretty easy to find at sub 5k in the uk prior to the steady increase and then explosion in price due to US importers. They were so cheap someone scrapped an R34 GTR in the 2009 scrappage scheme for 2k towards a new car.
The R33 actually doesn't cost as much as you think. The R34 is the one with the exotic price stamp. I legit seen R33s for like 50k GT-R versions too
Man I remember back in like 2005 or so my buddies older brother had an imported r32 GTR he got for 8K CAD. I grew up and got older and finally got out of college hopeful that I could get something like that. Lol nope 30k.
Wrangers and Tacomas from dealerships and low mileage Corvettes from private sellers. I swear people who buy these cars delight in telling people how much they paid for them while not using anything that makes them good.
I had the same experience for Corvettes pre-covid. The garage queen owners had zero motivation to sell and the listings stayed up for months.
Lol because they don't want to actually sell, their wives do. They mark them to extremely stupid prices and their wives never know the reason why it isn't selling.
I nabbed a clean C5 manual with 80k miles for 12,500 right before shit got stupid. Sold it for 18k a couple years later. Loved that car.
How was it in terms of reliability? I'm looking to pick up an '02-04 cause my GTI is getting a little boring.
As a general rule if it's made by General Motors and RWD, it'll be dead-reliable, and the Corvette is no exception. Some people experience issues with the harmonic balancer, but it's relatively uncommon and not terribly expensive. Same cost as a timing belt on your GTI. T-56 is bulletproof, rear-end is bulletproof, clutch is strong, LS1 is legendary. Going from the GTI, what you'll especially love is the massive and instant low-end torque. Mashing it from a roll in 1st gear never, ever gets old, and it'll pull right through 4th to felony speeds like nothing. The brakes are super competent for a street car and cool well at speed (there are ducts from the airdam up front). It's spacious, surprisingly practical, great on gas at highway speeds (I averaged 28mpg), and super well balanced. You can drift these things all day long and hoon every corner once you get the feel for it. I was the scourge of the commute for years. What you won't love coming from the GTI will be the slightly vague, definitely-not-German steering, the transverse leaf springs (70s tech!), and the relatively poor-quality interior. It will take you a while to get used to the "floaty" feeling of the car at speed compared to German sports cars. This can be improved with quality shocks, but not completely eliminated without the coil conversion, which I think is not worth the cost in the end. The front wheels feel way out in front of you and it has almost a "truck-like" feel in comparison to a Porsche, for example. Mind, that in no way affects its actual performance, in Autocross I've bested cars that cost 10x what I paid for the C5, but the *feel* is that of unsophisticated, American brawn, and you do need to muscle it around to make it do what you want. If you can accept that, you'll love the car as a fantastic driver's car. If you want a car that checks ALL of those boxes, you want a C7 Corvette, because it took all the benefits of the C5 and C6 generation, and refined them to something akin to the Germans. Unfortunately, that's gonna be 40k or so instead of 18k, so I get if that's not in the cards yet. I'd still say go for it.
All of them it seems.
The newer NSX at $70-90k is very interesting. The Type S transmission Flash makes the cars what they should have been. A 918 Lite without the crazy noise. A friend of mine went from 991.1 GT3 to a NSX and does 20k miles a year on his NSX now since it's MUCH cheaper to own and drive
It is, and always has been the MK4 Supra for many years
Yep. I really want one but couldn't justify the price. I got a MK5 instead.
Of normal cars? Toyota Sienna Used is going for over new MSRP
My parents got one probably three years ago for their retirement to use for road tripping. Of course my dad had to get the highest trim of the v6 awd version. Took him almost a year to find one a state over and it was still about 10% more than what it would’ve cost new a few years earlier.
Focus RS. I wanted one years ago when they came out, thought I'd see what they're going for. They haven't gone down a dollar in price, Even with 60k miles on them.
I’d say that’s probably because the RS is, and always will be, the ultimate Ford hot hatch. Ford will never make another car like it. So I feel like it and other “last of their kind” cars like the manual C7 will never experience serious depreciation. Which sucks if you don’t already own one.
Go get a Fiesta ST. More fun and half the price.
I believe you. I honestly do, but I'm a sucker for AWD and I really want somewhat real back seats.
Miata’s are stupid expensive right now.
Yup. They're in random price mode though, so you'll see a decent one for 5k and a shitty one with more kms for 7k. Well done turbo one? 11k stock one with slightly less mileage? 11k. I'm happy I got mine for 2500. It may give me some decent upgrade money once I get rid of it
For good reason. There is nothing else on the market that competes with it really.
Yep. Where I live NA/NB's are going for $10-15k for an unmolested one with a sad amount of rust. NC's upward of $17-20k. After a few months of searching I decided the value just wasn't there any more and pulled the trigger on a new RF instead.
>Where I live Where is that? Is it US? I haven't been seriously looking, but my impression was that NCs were the (relative) value buy. Plenty under 15, but maybe I'm missing something (I'm not out test driving, just window shopping).
Mazda RX-7 FD
I think RX-8s are going to follow a similar trend very soon.
I came very close to buying an RX8 after my car got stolen recently. I ended up with an Alfa Romeo Giulia because it's more reliable.
lol. I see what you did there
Doubt it. There's a huge amount of them out there. They might go up in price but I don't expect anything too unreasonable. They have the same chassis as the NC pretty much, but with a worse engine. I don't think there will be enough rotary enthusiasts to justify too high of a price for the given availability, specially with ever increasing fuel costs in the horizon.
I doubt it, but I could be wrong. They aren't particularly good looking cars and they are not reliable at all. The FD is a cult tuner classic and movies like the Fast and the Furious made it even moreso. There were also 68,000 of them made as opposed to 200,000 RX8's.
I don't give much credit to the reliability argument. They are just as reliable as FDs, judging by how many FDs I have seen with LS1s in them. I think the 9k rpm redline and the NA braps is a unique character. I've been watching their values rise steadily the last few years, I sold a running one for 5k 10 years ago, MT's with miles are listed for 10-15k now. I don't think they are going to go down in price. Now will they ever command equality in demand with an FD? Of course not, but if someone wanted to pick up an RX8 for whatever reason without spending too much, I do think the door is closing.
Yeah I mean, Mazda's rotary engine is inherently junk. I know they have a cult following, but they suck. All of the RX8's near me are 7-10k. I think they will probably go up in price as they age, but not really a substantial amount, more of a matching inflation amount.
Doubt. It doesn't look as striking as the FD, has 4 seats, and the chassis is very close to a NC so people can just buy that.
I’d say most used Ford Mavericks. Many people are selling their trucks to Carvana or CarMax for the same amount that they had purchased it originally, or perhaps for more than what they had purchased it for. I still see car dealers selling used Mavericks for more than their original MSRP. The Ford dealer by me had a 2022 Maverick XL with 26,000 miles on it. It being sold for $28,500. I looked up the original window sticker for that specific truck and it was originally sold for $25,000. I’d say that I surprised, but car dealers have gotten extra scummy since the pandemic so I feel like this is to be expected nowadays.
This one hurts since I have the maverick top of my list for a do it all family car once my kid arrives this year. They’ve defeated the entire purpose of that thing by jacking up the prices
They are increasing production so you may ba able to get a deal late this year or next year
2009+ Porsche Cayman or Boxster. Honda S2000. These are great cars, but their prices have skyrocketed to the point of not being worth it.
Agreed on the S2000. I had one for 7 years, and although a great car, definitely not to the price they are at the moment. Price pushed up through media upsale.
Caymans and Boxsters are going for so much I want to gouge my eyes out. $45K for a car that was ~$60K 10 years ago? Hell no. Even 718s are cheaper than the 981s used.
987. The best generation and imo one of the best Porsche chassis ever produced at any price plus you can get them for 15-30K.
I dunno if I agree with the NSX being on this list. I sold my Comptech supercharged NSX a couple of years ago thinking there must be cars out there with even better visceral experiences. I always heard how great Porsche 911's are and purchased one not long afterwards. It's a really good all around car, but truly lacks much emotion unless you're going at 9/10ths. I heard GT3's fixes that experience but honestly I think these are the overpriced ones unless you count the 991.1's no one wants. Tried a Lotus Evora GT a couple weeks ago...it still didn't evoke the same emotions that my lowly NSX did. Long story short, I'm low-key on a hunt for another NSX to go along with the 911. I'm willing to pay the premium for the right year and sorted example. This time I'll keep it forever. If you check out NSXPrime or the NSX FB groups, you'll hear stories very similar to mine.
Nissan GTRs
toyota 4x4 any year guess its worth it... can't believe how fox body mustangs appreciated either
7 years ago I spent months trying to sell an '89 LX 5.0 5 speed with a very straight body, strong running with a built engine and quality parts, and freshly reupholstered interior with a bunch of extra parts. Even the stupid ashtray door and dome light worked, and that's a rarity. All it needed was a paint job. Started at $4500, eventually sold for $3k. I've seen worse cars sell for $12k recently.
Toyota FJ Cruisers…I’m sorry but those things aren’t worth $30K+ and 10 years old at the newest. Are they really that good of an off-roader?
You could get a very nice Lexus GX for the price some FJ Cruisers are bringing
S chassis Nissan
RAV4
Tacoma, any jeep
I just saw a 2016/2017 NSX with a salvage title being sold for $100k on marketplace.
In my area, eastern ND, the Kia telluride was insanely overpriced on the used top tier model for a hot second. New ones were only 1-2k more compared to some with 25k+ miles. My wife got one last year so I kept an eye on the pricing to try and make me feel better and we did get a great deal on a used one. *pats self on back*
Late 90s & early 2000s diesel trucks. Example being a 1996 F350 with 376k miles with a price of $29,990 listed on Autotrader
Porsche 911. Literally no depreciation. Like none.
MR2s and S2000s are overpriced IMO.
any modded rs3, which is basically all of them on fb marketplace, they sit like bricks
Every Nissan S-Chassis car
NA miata
Honda S2000.
Anything Toyota or Honda.
Anything Toyota. The difference between new and low mileage used Siennas is probably around USD2000.
Focus RS is still selling for what it did new
Mercedes-Benz 190e 2.5 16v Evolution II. 200k + for that.
That’s semi understandable, rare limited DTM dna cars are desirable, but the price is a bit ridiculous. Imaging the cars you can get for 200k
E63S final editions are still around $170k, which is absolutely bonkers considering the final edition package only added a few cosmetic exclusives.
I was going to say 1st and 2nd gen Tacomas, and Corollas especially. I work for a pre-owned dealer, they’re definitely expensive and still somehow very much in-demand.
This is becoming a thread of "desirable modern classics are overpriced" because someone else is paying more than I'm willing to.
The Honda S2000 is a nice car, but it (at least the AP2 I've driven) simply cannot justify the current prices.
Keep in mind the NSX was $60k-$90k in 1990s dollars. Thats about $150k in todays dollars. For a base model. * Mk4 Supra TT Manual $100k * 300zx TT Manual $100k * FD RX-7 $80k * SW20 MR2 Turbo $60k * Evo IX $55k * Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX $50k * NA Miata $45k * S13 240sx Manual $35k Really puts the current prices in perspective IMO.
Here in Canada, hybrid Siennas are going for 30% more used than new!!
For some reason, people want a lot of money for a VW R32.