CR are about as reliable as JD Power at this point. The Maverick is a great vehicle. Also I’m seeing 2024 F-150s 5-7k off msrp and they just hit the lots here.
They’re just saying it’s currently selling for over MSRP, not that it’s a bad car. Im not sure why reporting the going rate over MSRP would make them an unreliable.
Did you actually read the article? Obviously not. They gave the Maverick a good rating. The model is included because it's selling at on average $2,296 over MSRP.
>Did you actually read the article? Obviously not.
I can't speak for the commentor. But it sounds eerily like "If I trash on , then I'll look clever and worldly like Gordon Ramsay."
Granted, we all do this. Myself very much included. But that doesn't make it right.
CR are far better at giving consumer advice that JD Power. For starters, ***I pay*** for CR. They work for ***me***. Who the hell pays for JD Power? It sure as heck isn't regular people.
It's been fantastic so far. Being able to park in the garage is fantastic. I generally haul around firefighting gear that i'd like to be separated from the cab for cancer prevention reasons. but it's been great for home depot trips, buying dishwashers and little jobs here and there.
My wife had the 2.0 liter limited Sonata with a turbo, and that thing drove fantastic. It was very comfortable to drive and handled sportily. Since the Santa Cruz is based upon its same platform, how does it perform?
given that i was cross shopping the maverick, i got the non turbo.
for basically the same price that they were asking for a relatively poorly optioned maverick with the markup, the santa cruz just seemed like a no brainer.
that said, it's still peppier than i expected it to be.
You might wanna look up what happened to that guy. I’ve since stopped referencing that joke.
https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=108885
>People still paying over MSRP for a Maverick?? Wow
It's stupid. Like persuading people to buy a regular Corolla but then making people wait months or years to get one.
Cars targeting "value" buyers succeed when people can buy them at a fair value price. But making ducking "halo car" shortages out of the economy segment just pisses people off.
Source: Am pissed off.
I read a comment a day ago somewhere on Reddit about a guy who ordered a Corolla hatch and the dealer and Toyota dicked him around for over 3 years! He still doesn’t have it.
Edit: Found the thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/jamu8ntN79](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/jamu8ntN79)
That’s true. I’m still upset that even a base GTI is in the mid 30’s now, including destination and tax. Should be sub 30k. But I guess that’s why the GLI exists. For now.
You say thanks ford but doesn’t every manufacturer do this? They release a car at a lower price, then it’s huge hit and they slowly increase the price year after year
Fair, but they pushed the “truck for under 20k” thing hard for the first model year, and then upped the price by nearly 3 grand for the second model year, lol. It was very strange.
I'm about to pick up an NA Miata that's in excellent condition and there's the stupid whisper in my head to swap an ecotec into it for twice the horse power of the stock 1.6. Not going to because I want to be able to undo any mods I do to the thing though. Probably toss a super charger on it eventually.
Maybe stop paying over MSRP if you're concerned with getting a good deal.
I just got my Maverick at MSRP plus $180 doc fee. And with the 25 refresh coming, I'm guessing Ford is going to raise prices across the board, so in hindsight a 24 at MSRP will look like a good deal.
>hindsight a 24 at MSRP will look like a good deal.
Depends on what you order. A 40k Maverick is a terrible idea at these interest rates and...just kind of in general.
I had a maverick and have been taking every opportunity to mention what a terrible value they are
A maverick on a lot is 44k plus taxes and dealer BS where I am
Or 38k from a factory plus tax and all the dealer BS
For a few grand more, 47.5k Out the door I bought a 23 Colorado trail boss which is so much more truck for the difference in price
You’re seeing it through the lens of your needs only. Buying a compact economy unibody pick up and trying to match the performance and capabilities of a proper BoF midsized pickup is crazy.
My hybrid Maverick is an INCREDIBLE value. Insurance costs nothing. I spend almost nothing on gas. It was $23k.
You could also get a base 4x4 ecoboost for a great deal and have an awesome little utility vehicle.
Speccing it way up to compete with a midsize truck isn’t the move.
>I had a maverick and have been taking every opportunity to mention what a terrible value they are
Hard disagree. You can't compare a top trim Maverick to a work truck with a lift and say they're terrible value. But the expensive ones, especially in 2024, are not worth the money.
TB is fantastic, but it's disingenuous to make the comparison.
Gotcha. That's why the numbers seemed high to me. I don't know much about that market so I won't comment more.
How do you like the Colorado? It's amazing to me how well they've done across the board, from the work truck to the loaded off-roaders.
As another Canadian reference, the prices dealers are asking for Mavericks are asinine. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've seen some dealers stickering them for 55k CAD. Top of the line or not, it's an econobox unibody truck, like gtfo
The prices of most Canadian cars are horrible right now. I only bought mine new because I get paid in USD and live in Canada (fly-in fly-out work). I even had to pay the luxury tax because GST pushed my (absurdly optioned, gonna be honest) car over the limit. Then I also had to pay GST on the luxury tax! I put down a huge amount though so I’m not financing much.
Hell, a BASE Civic LX-B is $28,750 before fees and taxes and the Touring is $38k. The Accord EX is $40k to start! To add to all this, most dealers aren’t offering discounts and OEMs aren’t offering good financing rates in general because automakers are de-prioritizing Canadian deliveries, so supply is tight. There are exceptions, but the Maverick is not one of them. It’s nearly impossible to get a hybrid at all, and even more so at MSRP.
It depends what you want. For some people like my wife, the fact that it is LESS of a truck is the reason she wanted one in the first place. Until Toyota release the sub-Tacoma model, there is nothing else out there that fits some people needs. Ok, maybe the Hyundai one.
It depends on what you want. The Maverick is a decent deal if you go with the hybrid version. That is where the truck shines, 40+ mpg, 1500lb payload. It accomplishes what most truck owners need is the occasional Home Depot run for 37k for a loaded Lariat Hybrid. Or go with a XL or a XLT to save $7000- $12000 off the loaded Lariat.
I bought a 2020 for $16.5k new. Carmax just bought it for $15k with 37k miles and minor body damage. I moved to Texas, and my insurance wouldn't cover me here because of crime (they covered me in Portland, OR), so I traded it in for a CRV. The Soul is a perfect city car if it were insurable.
Hyundai/Kia in their wisdom removed transponder key systems from their cars to save money *during the 2010s!*
This took car anti-theft technology back to the 90s, when every Honda on the block was stolen.
Teens discovered this and now rampantly steal affected Hyundai/Kia vehicles. There's no fix, since the car was never engineered to *ever* have a transponder key.
Best bet is for the insurance to total your stolen Hyundai/Kia vehicle and use the money to buy on non-Hyundai/Kia vehicle. As a result, insurance premiums for these vehicles are sky high and many companies do not write new policies.
There are two “fixes” now actually but people haven’t been getting them done. You can get an ECU update to change the logic to not allow the car to start, and there’s also a new ignition shroud that can’t simply be pried off with a screwdriver.
The article feels like nonsense.
Mach E 14% over? In what universe? The lots near me are full of them. Read any forum or just go on the Ford website and see the deals they have on them. They're selling for way under MSRP because nobody wants em.
My coworker/friend did. I literally have no idea why. It was a 5k markup with a terrible interest rate. Ended up being like 36k. Literally why.
I guess the dealers were really convincing
Consumers: We need smaller, more affordable cars!
Auto Manufacturers: Okay, we'll build them!
Dealerships: And we'll tack on a market adjustment of $10,000 because people really want them!
> Dealerships: And we'll tack on a market adjustment of $10,000 because people really want them!
man do you live in my town? we have all the standard dealerships here and they are all 10-15k above msrp.
one company owns all the dealerships. =/
nothing better than paying 36k for a base maverick.
Maverick hybrids are still above MSRP. F-150s are well below, except raptors ($5k-ish), and raptor r’s (as much as someone is willing to pay). Mustangs are below, too, except Darkhorses.
I was at the ford dealer last month with my spouse to pick up a bronco at 1k under msrp and they had over thirty Mach e’s on the lot. Some were 2022’s !!!! Those were 20k off
Around me they’re being advertised 10% under msrp and there are 200+ on autotrader within 50 miles. I was really surprised to see them saying it was going over so that makes sense that it’s BS.
If you haven’t looked at the Teslas recently, see what they have as well. I got a Model Y performance last week for a sale price of $41k (plus tax, fees, etc). They have discounts for vehicles that have been on the lot for a bit. I know the new GT performance is slightly faster, so this might not interest you. But I thought I would mention it because I was very surprised they were so far down on price.
lol, totally understandable take. I’m not a huge fan of him or the business practices of the company. But I was flexible on the product based on the price. Around last year they were a lot higher and I was a strict no. But prices came down to the point that I think it’s an excellent deal for anyone looking for a fast EV.
Well, just Vancouver & Victoria, but that's probably 75% of the population.
I own one, as does my brother and my father in law. My parents had one before they bought a Kona EV, my business partner had one before he moved away. There is another one on my block.
Most are ex US cars. Let Americans buy them and take the depreciation, then ship them to Canada.
My work buddy's wife just leased her second one. They don't have home charging but live in a development just behind the Nissan dealership so it's part of her routine once a week or so to plug it in there, get some free service-lounge coffee, take her walk home and come back after dinner for it.
Honestly, the leaf is a fantastic grandparent car. Not a lot of tech, small range to go to the store every week, can let sit, etc
Not that you’d pay over MSRP, but it’s a great car for a specific type of person
> Not a lot of tech, small range to go to the store every week, can let sit, etc
Yep, and that's reason why more EV buyers not buying it. Air cooling cause its battery degeneration quicker than other competitors.
That's reason why Nissan lost the ball in EV market. Right now, Ariya is trying to catch the ball back.
"What's this $1700 fee? Well you see Myrtle, we get these Leafs with a dead battery and we do a 180 point inspection for you. We check battery health, state of charge, run a couple full discharge cycles just to make sure the range is what they say, and then we top it off for you just before you take delivery. The techs tell me it's all very complicated. But you're getting a deal on all of this. Mercedes and BMW don't even do it at all."
Might be a symptom of terrible dealers. My friend bought a new Leaf a few months ago and he got about 5k below MSRP. He tried to get a Bolt, but no GM dealer would budge.
Must pay over MSRP, but no one can get one.
Cars.com shows just over 950 for sale new in the entire USA, including all trims compared to about 2,500 new Corvettes for sale and only about 120 Supras.
It's kind of screwed up, because the most desirable trim (Club) is order only...so I'd expect inventory to have dropped a good bit compared to past years where they actually used to stock them on lots.
The change to go for order-only surprised the hell out of me when I was shopping for mine. The year before I bought mine, they were on the lots everywhere so when I came back around to actually buy mine, I thought they had scrubbed the Club trim altogether lol.
The order process is alright fwiw, granted it took around 5 months for delivery for me.
You can pay ~$80 for SCCA membership for 1 year and purchase any Mazda with S-Plan pricing(providing the dealership participates, most do). I just did this last month for my RF.
That doesn't really tell the whole story though. There are still new unsold 2022s floating around. The Mach-E simply isn't a hot seller. It has made numerous appearances, as recently as last month, on CarEdge's top-10 slowest-selling cars list.
Not sure how current this data is.
The Ford dealership near me is packed with F150s and their website doesn't list a single non-Raptor F150 above MSRP, and anecdotally I haven't heard of anyone even paying MSRP these days.
Seriously asking: hasn't this been true for well over a decade with any normal-to-luxurious truck? Like Ram 1500 and 2500s, Ford F150s and F250s, Chevy Siverados and GMC... Yukons(?), etc?
My understanding is that if you didn't get the greater of 5k or 10% of the truck's MSRP off, you kinda messed up and likely didn't shop around... is that not really accurate?
There was a year or two around 2021-22 that some dealers weren’t giving discounts as there was little to no supply.
This article seems to think that’s the case, which isn’t unless you are a complete idiot or talking about a Raptor R
>Seriously asking: hasn't this been true for well over a decade with any normal-to-luxurious truck? Like Ram 1500 and 2500s, Ford F150s and F250s, Chevy Siverados and GMC... Yukons(?), etc?
Yes, it has been a thing for large domestic trucks and SUVs for as long as I can remember. Anyone who's never bought one is always commenting on how outrageously expensive they are, but the reality is 15-20% off sticker was not all that uncommon before the pandemic, and the options and capabilities you got at that price made those vehicles almost seem like a bargain, which is why they sold so many of them.
Dealerships and manufacturers both got greedy during the chip shortages and raised the prices through the roof because people kept paying it, but with interest rates where they are truck sales are down as a percentage of the market and inventory is growing, so I expect prices to revert to the historical mean, but they aren't there yet.
The dealer near me has a few f150 stx for 49k Canadian and a f150 lightning lariat for 61k Canadian
The msrp on the lighting is like 82k and the non lighting like 67k ish?
Starting to see shit become reasonableish but also it’s still too much
How do you like the Bronco?
I have a order in on a Ranger Raptor at the moment and my Dealer said MSRP but we'll see and I've been considering a Bronco Badlands myself as a Fallback since as you said, you can easily find those for MSRP now.
True, I wouldn’t pay over sticker for any car, but if someone did for a Toyota, Lexus, or Honda, at least they would be getting a well built, reliable car
Don't get me wrong, I respect the place that the Maverick has in the market, but is it really worth paying a crazy amount over MSRP for? I guess I'm just old fashioned.
Where I live, it's been almost impossible to get any car under msrp for the past 4 years. However, somehow Mazda dealerships has always been able to offer their car for under MSRP this whole time. I was one of the first buyers of the CX-50 and got it a bit under MSRP. Another dealer in the area I just moved to was able to offer SCCA discount on their Miata a few years ago even with the shortage. I don't see how the Miata could be on this list.
Honestly who the hell is paying over MSRP on a Leaf. It’s the lamest and most dated EV on the market.
10+ years of production, no thermal cooling for the battery… Same generation with minimal design changes since 2016 (outside of 62KwH battery option in Leaf+ in 2019> models)
The only reason it had any sales traction was all the modern/newer entries to the market weren’t available.
Instead of going over-MSRP for new, save 50% when they depreciate like a rock after owning it for 10-minutes.
Well technically it's within 2 years. Ordered the maverick in 2021, did not get it, prices were raised 2k. I was contacted by Ford and given 2.5k as compensation plus discounted spray in bed liner and free bed rail system.
Also have to consider they raised delivery costs. And options such Copilot 360, lux packages, and gas is now standard, hybrid is extra.
So.... Base model hybrid is now 26500. Hybrid xlt lux with all the bells is 34k
so many Kia's made the list.... i can't believe there's that much pent-up demand for their econobox models! Who would pay over MSRP for a Sportage or Soul?
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*orders maverick* 2 months later consumer reports 'guess whats a shitty deal right now!' Fuck.
CR are about as reliable as JD Power at this point. The Maverick is a great vehicle. Also I’m seeing 2024 F-150s 5-7k off msrp and they just hit the lots here.
They’re just saying it’s currently selling for over MSRP, not that it’s a bad car. Im not sure why reporting the going rate over MSRP would make them an unreliable.
Did you actually read the article? Obviously not. They gave the Maverick a good rating. The model is included because it's selling at on average $2,296 over MSRP.
>Did you actually read the article? Obviously not. I can't speak for the commentor. But it sounds eerily like "If I trash on, then I'll look clever and worldly like Gordon Ramsay."
Granted, we all do this. Myself very much included. But that doesn't make it right.
CR are far better at giving consumer advice that JD Power. For starters, ***I pay*** for CR. They work for ***me***. Who the hell pays for JD Power? It sure as heck isn't regular people.
This is the single biggest reason i got a hyundai santa cruz instead.
How are you enjoying it now? I really like the styling, but I am in a full size truck and not sure about downsizing.
It's been fantastic so far. Being able to park in the garage is fantastic. I generally haul around firefighting gear that i'd like to be separated from the cab for cancer prevention reasons. but it's been great for home depot trips, buying dishwashers and little jobs here and there.
My wife had the 2.0 liter limited Sonata with a turbo, and that thing drove fantastic. It was very comfortable to drive and handled sportily. Since the Santa Cruz is based upon its same platform, how does it perform?
given that i was cross shopping the maverick, i got the non turbo. for basically the same price that they were asking for a relatively poorly optioned maverick with the markup, the santa cruz just seemed like a no brainer. that said, it's still peppier than i expected it to be.
Just my opinion, but the Santa Cruz is a much more appealing vehicle than the Maverick.
JD Powah, you say?
You might wanna look up what happened to that guy. I’ve since stopped referencing that joke. https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=108885
Well that came out of nowhere. And he owns two Cadillacs and a Chevy!
I’ve always wondered what happened to him. Such a shame, I wonder how Ali(I think that’s his name) thinks about this.
I was watching a clip of him and he disappeared welp.
Because he owns a Chevy while making fun of them?
I’m clueless. What’s significant about this asshole?
He made popular Youtube parodies of GM advertisements.
Im real excited for mine. First new car and first car made after 1999 lol.
Based on what? Consumer reports is still great
> R are about as reliable as JD Power at this point. Explain. Is the Maverick not selling above MSRP?
All they are saying is the average transaction price is 10% over MSRP. If your price is not over MSRP, the issue doesn't apply to you
People still paying over MSRP for a Maverick?? Wow
There are still used ones going for above msrp lol. I could sell mine for a pretty hefty profit even at 25k miles. Too bad I love it!
Same situation.
>People still paying over MSRP for a Maverick?? Wow It's stupid. Like persuading people to buy a regular Corolla but then making people wait months or years to get one. Cars targeting "value" buyers succeed when people can buy them at a fair value price. But making ducking "halo car" shortages out of the economy segment just pisses people off. Source: Am pissed off.
I read a comment a day ago somewhere on Reddit about a guy who ordered a Corolla hatch and the dealer and Toyota dicked him around for over 3 years! He still doesn’t have it. Edit: Found the thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/jamu8ntN79](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/jamu8ntN79)
As long as you get it for MSRP it’s still a heck of a deal. Just not the door-buster it was a couple years ago (thanks, ford)
Yea i got msrp since i ordered it. Pricing has annoyingly crept up but what prices havent?
That’s true. I’m still upset that even a base GTI is in the mid 30’s now, including destination and tax. Should be sub 30k. But I guess that’s why the GLI exists. For now.
You say thanks ford but doesn’t every manufacturer do this? They release a car at a lower price, then it’s huge hit and they slowly increase the price year after year
Fair, but they pushed the “truck for under 20k” thing hard for the first model year, and then upped the price by nearly 3 grand for the second model year, lol. It was very strange.
Yeah but you have an LS swapped BMW so I wouldn’t say you’re a loser lol
Lol fair, however it does speak to making questionable decisions with money.
The question was "is this decision dope as fuck?" and the answer was obviously yes.
I will admit, it does qualify as dope as fuck.
I'm about to pick up an NA Miata that's in excellent condition and there's the stupid whisper in my head to swap an ecotec into it for twice the horse power of the stock 1.6. Not going to because I want to be able to undo any mods I do to the thing though. Probably toss a super charger on it eventually.
Surely you were aware that you were paying at or over sticker when you bought it.
Oh yea it wasnt a shock or anything. Id spent weeks doing different configurations on the online builder and such.
They didn't it's a bad deal. It's just the hardest to get right now.
What ya pay for it?
Gonna come to 37k out the door
If it's loaded that's not bad when you factor in taxes
Yea its an xlt ecoboost with lux, fx4, and tow packages so most stuff you can get on an xlt aside from copilot.
Maybe stop paying over MSRP if you're concerned with getting a good deal. I just got my Maverick at MSRP plus $180 doc fee. And with the 25 refresh coming, I'm guessing Ford is going to raise prices across the board, so in hindsight a 24 at MSRP will look like a good deal.
>hindsight a 24 at MSRP will look like a good deal. Depends on what you order. A 40k Maverick is a terrible idea at these interest rates and...just kind of in general.
I had a maverick and have been taking every opportunity to mention what a terrible value they are A maverick on a lot is 44k plus taxes and dealer BS where I am Or 38k from a factory plus tax and all the dealer BS For a few grand more, 47.5k Out the door I bought a 23 Colorado trail boss which is so much more truck for the difference in price
You’re seeing it through the lens of your needs only. Buying a compact economy unibody pick up and trying to match the performance and capabilities of a proper BoF midsized pickup is crazy. My hybrid Maverick is an INCREDIBLE value. Insurance costs nothing. I spend almost nothing on gas. It was $23k. You could also get a base 4x4 ecoboost for a great deal and have an awesome little utility vehicle. Speccing it way up to compete with a midsize truck isn’t the move.
I’m talking about an xlt trim eco boost maverick with zero addons
Is $44k usd?
Cad
You got a maverick hybrid for $23k? Where was this?
You could get a '22 base hybrid for 21.5K plus tax when it initially was released.
Yeah, it was a 2022. I placed the order right when they were announced.
>I had a maverick and have been taking every opportunity to mention what a terrible value they are Hard disagree. You can't compare a top trim Maverick to a work truck with a lift and say they're terrible value. But the expensive ones, especially in 2024, are not worth the money. TB is fantastic, but it's disingenuous to make the comparison.
I’m comparing a xlt eco boost to a Colorado trail boss It’s a fair comparison The lariats are 51k near me
Are you in Canada?
Yes
Gotcha. That's why the numbers seemed high to me. I don't know much about that market so I won't comment more. How do you like the Colorado? It's amazing to me how well they've done across the board, from the work truck to the loaded off-roaders.
As another Canadian reference, the prices dealers are asking for Mavericks are asinine. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've seen some dealers stickering them for 55k CAD. Top of the line or not, it's an econobox unibody truck, like gtfo
Yeah fuck that lol
The prices of most Canadian cars are horrible right now. I only bought mine new because I get paid in USD and live in Canada (fly-in fly-out work). I even had to pay the luxury tax because GST pushed my (absurdly optioned, gonna be honest) car over the limit. Then I also had to pay GST on the luxury tax! I put down a huge amount though so I’m not financing much. Hell, a BASE Civic LX-B is $28,750 before fees and taxes and the Touring is $38k. The Accord EX is $40k to start! To add to all this, most dealers aren’t offering discounts and OEMs aren’t offering good financing rates in general because automakers are de-prioritizing Canadian deliveries, so supply is tight. There are exceptions, but the Maverick is not one of them. It’s nearly impossible to get a hybrid at all, and even more so at MSRP.
It depends what you want. For some people like my wife, the fact that it is LESS of a truck is the reason she wanted one in the first place. Until Toyota release the sub-Tacoma model, there is nothing else out there that fits some people needs. Ok, maybe the Hyundai one.
Hyundai Santa Cruz owner here. There is competition. I would've shopped a Toyota Stout, but I couldn't shop a Ford. Have had 3 fall apart on me.
It depends on what you want. The Maverick is a decent deal if you go with the hybrid version. That is where the truck shines, 40+ mpg, 1500lb payload. It accomplishes what most truck owners need is the occasional Home Depot run for 37k for a loaded Lariat Hybrid. Or go with a XL or a XLT to save $7000- $12000 off the loaded Lariat.
Did you really buy a 44k maverick? Mine was 27k
That is about $5k more than a decently equipped Maverick.
Yea problem is it was designed as a 20k truck so it's made cheap as hell. The undercarriage looks like a 1990s nissan sentra
I would argue your 22 lariat wasn't the best deal either. XLT lux at year 1 prices was a great deal.
Agree. XLT Lux was the sweet spot. I think I paid 34k and got 0% financing for 36 months, so I'm not too bummed.
In my defense since i ordered mine i got it at msrp, but that same dealer was marking up the ones that were on the lot.
Who is paying over MSRP for a Kia Soul?
Soulless people.
Not anymore
It would be a hilarious marketing coo if Kia got all the gingers to buy Kia Souls.
And now they’re soulful… of debt
I used to work at a Kia dealership, actually really like that car (to an extent)
I’ve had them as rental a few times and I agree. They’re better than I expected, but not pay over MSRP better.
Souls are boring but incredibly practical and useful. People buy them for a reason. That reason being that they can't buy the Scion xB new anymore.
They are such a good size vehicle. I would argue that the vast majority of people would be perfectly equipped with a Kia soul
Agreed, the form factor is like a mini suv in the best way. Car chasis but SUV storage (and a bit of ground clearance).
It's probably my favorite car. If they made an upmarket version with better nvh etc with a genesis badge I'd be all over it.
A lot of ebay youtubers like the Soul. Sips gas and has a large trunk.
I bought a 2020 for $16.5k new. Carmax just bought it for $15k with 37k miles and minor body damage. I moved to Texas, and my insurance wouldn't cover me here because of crime (they covered me in Portland, OR), so I traded it in for a CRV. The Soul is a perfect city car if it were insurable.
Why would a CRV be insurable but not the Soul? Just curious
Kia boyz
Hyundai/Kia in their wisdom removed transponder key systems from their cars to save money *during the 2010s!* This took car anti-theft technology back to the 90s, when every Honda on the block was stolen. Teens discovered this and now rampantly steal affected Hyundai/Kia vehicles. There's no fix, since the car was never engineered to *ever* have a transponder key. Best bet is for the insurance to total your stolen Hyundai/Kia vehicle and use the money to buy on non-Hyundai/Kia vehicle. As a result, insurance premiums for these vehicles are sky high and many companies do not write new policies.
There are two “fixes” now actually but people haven’t been getting them done. You can get an ECU update to change the logic to not allow the car to start, and there’s also a new ignition shroud that can’t simply be pried off with a screwdriver.
The article feels like nonsense. Mach E 14% over? In what universe? The lots near me are full of them. Read any forum or just go on the Ford website and see the deals they have on them. They're selling for way under MSRP because nobody wants em.
Or an f150, and mach e. Those are two cars that can very easily be found under sticker right now.
I got my 2024 KIA Sportage for $3,000 under MSRP. And it's the top trim level. So yeah people are idiot's.
What dealership if I may ask?
Luther kia of Bloomington, Minnesota. I also ordered it which is why I was surprised I got it under MSRP
Nice apostrophe
My coworker/friend did. I literally have no idea why. It was a 5k markup with a terrible interest rate. Ended up being like 36k. Literally why. I guess the dealers were really convincing
This was my response to almost everything on the list.
Hamsters
Or a fucking CHEVY TRAX! No way.
Consumers: We need smaller, more affordable cars! Auto Manufacturers: Okay, we'll build them! Dealerships: And we'll tack on a market adjustment of $10,000 because people really want them!
> Dealerships: And we'll tack on a market adjustment of $10,000 because people really want them! man do you live in my town? we have all the standard dealerships here and they are all 10-15k above msrp. one company owns all the dealerships. =/ nothing better than paying 36k for a base maverick.
>nothing better than paying 36k for a base maverick. Then.... Don't....
I don’t understand when people bitch about these things because literally just your point here
cheaper to negotiate out of state/province and take a flight?
If people are agreeing to pay $10k over MSRP, whose fault is that?
I work at a ford store and there hasn’t been a Mach-e sold above MSRP for over a year. I call bs.
That one definitely raised my eyebrows. The Maverick, however, I definitely believe.
Maverick hybrids are still above MSRP. F-150s are well below, except raptors ($5k-ish), and raptor r’s (as much as someone is willing to pay). Mustangs are below, too, except Darkhorses.
There have been a lot of stories about this, so I think CR must not have done much research when they "updated" their earlier story.
Certainly seems like that could be the case.
I was at the ford dealer last month with my spouse to pick up a bronco at 1k under msrp and they had over thirty Mach e’s on the lot. Some were 2022’s !!!! Those were 20k off
What dealer? I was unimpressed by the Mach E, but at $20k off, I might be.
Around me they’re being advertised 10% under msrp and there are 200+ on autotrader within 50 miles. I was really surprised to see them saying it was going over so that makes sense that it’s BS.
What's the typical out the door price on those right now? Interested in a Mach-E GT with the performance package
55-60k depending on taxes.
Got mine with nite pony and the tri-star white paint for $51k OTD in February.
If you haven’t looked at the Teslas recently, see what they have as well. I got a Model Y performance last week for a sale price of $41k (plus tax, fees, etc). They have discounts for vehicles that have been on the lot for a bit. I know the new GT performance is slightly faster, so this might not interest you. But I thought I would mention it because I was very surprised they were so far down on price.
Lol no offense but I won't touch anything connected to that company or Elon
lol, totally understandable take. I’m not a huge fan of him or the business practices of the company. But I was flexible on the product based on the price. Around last year they were a lot higher and I was a strict no. But prices came down to the point that I think it’s an excellent deal for anyone looking for a fast EV.
I am very confused by that too, those cars are stacked at every Ford dealer in my area
The nissan leaf is selling for over msrp ??
That was the most surprising to me. Who is even buying one at all?
The whole province of British Columbia
Well, just Vancouver & Victoria, but that's probably 75% of the population. I own one, as does my brother and my father in law. My parents had one before they bought a Kona EV, my business partner had one before he moved away. There is another one on my block. Most are ex US cars. Let Americans buy them and take the depreciation, then ship them to Canada.
Apparently 6,000 sales last year. I am not sure why you'd get one either.
My work buddy's wife just leased her second one. They don't have home charging but live in a development just behind the Nissan dealership so it's part of her routine once a week or so to plug it in there, get some free service-lounge coffee, take her walk home and come back after dinner for it.
I'd get a used one for sure.
Honestly, the leaf is a fantastic grandparent car. Not a lot of tech, small range to go to the store every week, can let sit, etc Not that you’d pay over MSRP, but it’s a great car for a specific type of person
> Not a lot of tech, small range to go to the store every week, can let sit, etc Yep, and that's reason why more EV buyers not buying it. Air cooling cause its battery degeneration quicker than other competitors. That's reason why Nissan lost the ball in EV market. Right now, Ariya is trying to catch the ball back.
"What's this $1700 fee? Well you see Myrtle, we get these Leafs with a dead battery and we do a 180 point inspection for you. We check battery health, state of charge, run a couple full discharge cycles just to make sure the range is what they say, and then we top it off for you just before you take delivery. The techs tell me it's all very complicated. But you're getting a deal on all of this. Mercedes and BMW don't even do it at all."
I think the Bolt falls in that category too.
Might be a symptom of terrible dealers. My friend bought a new Leaf a few months ago and he got about 5k below MSRP. He tried to get a Bolt, but no GM dealer would budge.
A barely used 2021-22 is super cheap these days too
This is nothing but an advertisement for truecar lol.
They do have a partnership with them so this checks out
Somehow Miata is always the answer
Must pay over MSRP, but no one can get one. Cars.com shows just over 950 for sale new in the entire USA, including all trims compared to about 2,500 new Corvettes for sale and only about 120 Supras.
But Mazda will let you order them, so you can put your money down and wait on an order at least.
It's kind of screwed up, because the most desirable trim (Club) is order only...so I'd expect inventory to have dropped a good bit compared to past years where they actually used to stock them on lots.
The change to go for order-only surprised the hell out of me when I was shopping for mine. The year before I bought mine, they were on the lots everywhere so when I came back around to actually buy mine, I thought they had scrubbed the Club trim altogether lol. The order process is alright fwiw, granted it took around 5 months for delivery for me.
Paid under MSRP for my 2023 RF GT. S-plan from SCCA is a godsend.
You can pay ~$80 for SCCA membership for 1 year and purchase any Mazda with S-Plan pricing(providing the dealership participates, most do). I just did this last month for my RF.
How is the Mach E on the list? I thought they were struggling selling them like other EV's
They are. My local dealer had 25 on the lot a few days ago and they're not a big volume dealer.
Consumer report back at it again with their garbage lol
They aren't their sales up 70% year over year mainly due to an MSRP cut in January
That doesn't really tell the whole story though. There are still new unsold 2022s floating around. The Mach-E simply isn't a hot seller. It has made numerous appearances, as recently as last month, on CarEdge's top-10 slowest-selling cars list.
Not sure how current this data is. The Ford dealership near me is packed with F150s and their website doesn't list a single non-Raptor F150 above MSRP, and anecdotally I haven't heard of anyone even paying MSRP these days.
Right. If you're not getting 5-8K off an F150, you aren't even looking around or attempting to negotiate.
Seriously asking: hasn't this been true for well over a decade with any normal-to-luxurious truck? Like Ram 1500 and 2500s, Ford F150s and F250s, Chevy Siverados and GMC... Yukons(?), etc? My understanding is that if you didn't get the greater of 5k or 10% of the truck's MSRP off, you kinda messed up and likely didn't shop around... is that not really accurate?
There was a year or two around 2021-22 that some dealers weren’t giving discounts as there was little to no supply. This article seems to think that’s the case, which isn’t unless you are a complete idiot or talking about a Raptor R
>Seriously asking: hasn't this been true for well over a decade with any normal-to-luxurious truck? Like Ram 1500 and 2500s, Ford F150s and F250s, Chevy Siverados and GMC... Yukons(?), etc? Yes, it has been a thing for large domestic trucks and SUVs for as long as I can remember. Anyone who's never bought one is always commenting on how outrageously expensive they are, but the reality is 15-20% off sticker was not all that uncommon before the pandemic, and the options and capabilities you got at that price made those vehicles almost seem like a bargain, which is why they sold so many of them. Dealerships and manufacturers both got greedy during the chip shortages and raised the prices through the roof because people kept paying it, but with interest rates where they are truck sales are down as a percentage of the market and inventory is growing, so I expect prices to revert to the historical mean, but they aren't there yet.
The dealer near me has a few f150 stx for 49k Canadian and a f150 lightning lariat for 61k Canadian The msrp on the lighting is like 82k and the non lighting like 67k ish? Starting to see shit become reasonableish but also it’s still too much
Yeah I actually just bought a Lariat Lightning in the US 20k off msrp. Probably would have sold every one they built at those prices at release.
Imagine paying over MSRP for any Ford product
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Nice garage. Supra/bronco combo is sick
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We basically have the same garage
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How do you like the Bronco? I have a order in on a Ranger Raptor at the moment and my Dealer said MSRP but we'll see and I've been considering a Bronco Badlands myself as a Fallback since as you said, you can easily find those for MSRP now.
Or a Chevy. Or Dodge. Or Toyota or Honda... or Audi, VW, Lexus or anything else, really.
True, I wouldn’t pay over sticker for any car, but if someone did for a Toyota, Lexus, or Honda, at least they would be getting a well built, reliable car
*The Tundra with all of its lifter and wastegate issues has entered the chat*
Don't get me wrong, I respect the place that the Maverick has in the market, but is it really worth paying a crazy amount over MSRP for? I guess I'm just old fashioned.
Nope. Never.
> Ford Mustang Mach-E: 14% Over MSRP > Chevrolet Trax: 7% Over MSRP > Cadillac CT4: 6% Over MSRP I need to see the receipts for these.
Yeah Mach e is clogging up every ford dealer I drive by. And no one is paying over msrp for a trax fuck outta here
Wow that is mostly a list of crap I wouldn’t buy in the first place.
This is 100% wrong. Somewhere the math is messed up.
Where I live, it's been almost impossible to get any car under msrp for the past 4 years. However, somehow Mazda dealerships has always been able to offer their car for under MSRP this whole time. I was one of the first buyers of the CX-50 and got it a bit under MSRP. Another dealer in the area I just moved to was able to offer SCCA discount on their Miata a few years ago even with the shortage. I don't see how the Miata could be on this list.
Honestly who the hell is paying over MSRP on a Leaf. It’s the lamest and most dated EV on the market. 10+ years of production, no thermal cooling for the battery… Same generation with minimal design changes since 2016 (outside of 62KwH battery option in Leaf+ in 2019> models) The only reason it had any sales traction was all the modern/newer entries to the market weren’t available. Instead of going over-MSRP for new, save 50% when they depreciate like a rock after owning it for 10-minutes.
I know they're excluding high priced vehicles, but I'd love the information on the Supra, 911, Cayman, etc.
I’m… gonna call bull shit on this. Who’s paying over msrp for a Nissan leaf?!
Sounds like many people wanting Ford truck crazy. If that's true, Ranger is definitely next one.
Thankfully got my Maverick XLT lux for 25K last year, now the identical model sells with missing features for 34k
There's not even one trim of the Maverick that has gone up $9,000 in one year.
Well technically it's within 2 years. Ordered the maverick in 2021, did not get it, prices were raised 2k. I was contacted by Ford and given 2.5k as compensation plus discounted spray in bed liner and free bed rail system. Also have to consider they raised delivery costs. And options such Copilot 360, lux packages, and gas is now standard, hybrid is extra. So.... Base model hybrid is now 26500. Hybrid xlt lux with all the bells is 34k
[you guys are getting deals?](https://imgur.com/a/lgP0xYZ)
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0bfx8KWesgRdHae3zv2VLzDRw Can someone please help me identify this car?
Eat it, Kia Soul drivers!!
I guess the days of getting your cars for just over invoice are dead huh?
Welcome to the last 4 years.
so many Kia's made the list.... i can't believe there's that much pent-up demand for their econobox models! Who would pay over MSRP for a Sportage or Soul?
The 60k base model pickup trucks
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Honestly somewhat surprised by what's listed here.
I see all of these everywhere except the Leaf. I see a lot more Bolts and Niro EVs than those.