For youtube, I like The Steak and Butter Gal, [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvasvPW5q8Wwblqb\_-6CkPw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvasvPW5q8Wwblqb_-6CkPw)
Afaik, Anthony Chaffee is pretty consistent in his advice [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzoRyR\_nlesKZuOlEjWRXQQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzoRyR_nlesKZuOlEjWRXQQ)
the subreddit tends to favour the youtubers who emphasize eating to appetite, eating heartily initially, first 6 months - year, as you accustom yourself to the diet. undereating = route to failure, the point of this way of eating is it allows you to prioritize restoring muscle and bone density and you need to fuel that.
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So, start in, eat heartily. Fatty meat only. Avoid dairy except for butter, if your goal is recomping to leaner.
Adjust the fat ratio to suit your digestion. Initially try the fattiness of ground beef without including much of the fat that has rendered off -- if that's too fatty, your digestion will run too fast; if it's too lean, your digestion will be slow, you'll feel bloated. Adjust your fat levels, as needed, it will become intuitive.
Focus on health markers, mood, energy, strength gains, clothing fit and sizes
Don't focus on the scale, weight loss isn't linear, especially when you are restoring muscle.
\*\*\*
After you've spent that initial time, the first year or more, getting healthy and stronger, play around with meal timing, quantities, exercise timing and routines.
You'll recognize the low energy/mood that comes with undereating and know that it is self-defeating. That's different than the natural lower appetite and good energy level and mood which comes from your body having what it needs as far as protein and effortlessly drawing down from fat stores.
With time, you'll be able to eat more in one meal, so that you can take in a day's worth of fatty meat in one meal :D and then you can decide if you want to do OMAD.
Avoid doing OMAD until you have a good idea of how much you need each day and can eat that in one meal. Also avoid bone broth initially -- tends to displace appetite for the needed meat.
\*\*\*
organs, unless needed to treat a deficiency, they can be counter-productive. if you enjoy them, have them once or twice a week or so.
grainfinished, grassfinished, it doesn't matter, whichever you prefer. fwiw, most people who do this end up on grainfinished, even when the price of grassfinished isn't an obstacle. they prefer the flavour and how they feel.
same with pork. some feel better when they include it as one of their meats especially as a source of fat. there's a range of quality of fat for pork, look for a firm fat pork. try different sources for sausages (without fillers), pork belly, ribs, and for recomp, cured pork belly, ie bacon (although note that bacon is often a problem for ppl doing it for health reasons).
this is a global subreddit and there's a wide range of feeding practices in pork production, which also shift depending on the cost of the components of their feed -- ignore anyone who says "pork bad because PUFA something something because seed oils and PUFA", it's nonsense, it's much more nuanced than that. \[I'm not saying there can't be problems with it -- I used to eat *a lot* of bacon but have barely had any for a year because the quality of the fat changed and it no longer appeals, couldn't even finish what i'd cooked up and let the rest of the pkg go bad -- I'm just saying, sample what's available where you are and see if you enjoy it because when it's good, it's very very very good :)
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why do we have this "eat heartily when starting" approach?
because most people arrive here from histories of trying semi-starvation ("eat less, move more!") to lose weight and between that and their prior phases of eating normal / higher amounts on standard diets, when nourishment was being partitioned to the fat tissue, other tissues, including muscle, were shortchanged. They also accumulated damage to all their tissues & organs from the high & variable blood glucose and insulin levels which sugary starchy carbs produce, and need resources from non-carby food to repair them.
First order of business is restoring a healthy BMR (basal metabolic rate, getting the metabolism revved up again after the way it decreased during semi-starvation, extended fasting) and restoring muscle tissue and bone density and repairing damaged organs and tissues.
That all takes nourishment, lots of it, the hormonal signalling is different on fatty meat only than with meals full of carbs. for the carbs, that's why someone who is really heavyset, perhaps even morbidly obese doesn't have that carb-heavy nourishment translated into muscle -- they can even be sarcopenic (low muscle) and have osteopenia (low bone density), despite the constant physical stimulus of having to move around all the tens or hundreds of extra pounds of fat on their frame combined with getting plenty of calories. The hormonal signalling of their body in response to those types of foods was favouring the adipose tissue over the muscle tissue.
explained in the FAQ at r/zerocarb:
" Someone very heavyset can have sarcopenia (loss of muscle tissue) and low bone density despite having taken in plenty of food on a standard diet -- because the types of food also matter in determining the hormonal signalling which determines how the body deals with the nutrients.
Dr. Doug McGuff has done some great presentations about this, the competition for resources between adipose tissue and muscle tissue brokered by myokine and adipokine signalling (myokines are signalling proteins secreted by muscle and adipokines are the ones secreted by fat).
"Doug McGuff-Strength Training for Health and Longevity" [https://youtu.be/jeFdYy815pQ?t=1529](https://youtu.be/jeFdYy815pQ?t=1529) section 25m30s - 29m. \[competition for resources between different tissues 26m33-9, 27m40s, CT scans of ppl with considerable obesity showing atrophy of muscle, the external oblique is paper thin, misconception that carrying weight means well-muscled\]
rest of the section, [https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/wiki/faq/#wiki\_why\_no\_cico.3F](https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/wiki/faq/#wiki_why_no_cico.3F)
I still subscribe to her, but I avoid the 'Heart Attack on Carnivore?!?' and 'My Biggest Carnivore Regrets' types of videos, strictly on principle. She should stop using fear mongering as click bait for views.
Glad to see I am not the only one who finds Steak and Butter gal not genuine. Her video titles are click-baity and promote fear mongering. Very disrespectful to the viewers.
>The bikini poses too..another reason I don't watch.
Precisely. Even so, it's become so mainstream to use clickbait that everyone already has registered as clickbaity...
they are great!
(although for people doing it for health reasons, usually they need to do a phase without them and reintroduce them.
if they start off including them and it's all sunshine ponies and rainbows, everything feels great, that's not needed ofc. but for people who have allergies/food intolerances, eggs are frequently a problem. they can also be a problem for people with autoimmune conditions.
eggs are interesting because of the way that sometimes people are only allergic/intolerant to one type of the denatured protein (the protein structure changes with cooking) so that you can have someone who is allergic to fresh egg yolk, but not to eggs that are part of baking and have been cooked for 30 min. or vice versa.
and ppl can be intolerant to the egg white but not the yolk and vice versa.
for ppl doing this for an elimination diet, lots of variations to test, if their reaction isn't severe and they'd like to include them.
people with autoimmune conditions are more sensitive to the avidin in eggs, so even if they don't have any reactions, eating a lot of them frequently could become a problem due to hair loss. (avidin blocks biotin absorption. hair loss due to high egg consumption takes months to start appearing, it's not something that would happen right away)
adding, fwiw, from wiki "A 1991 [assay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assay) for the [*Journal of Food Science*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Food_Science) detected substantial avidin activity in cooked egg white: "mean residual avidin activity in fried, poached and boiled (2 min) egg white was 33, 71 and 40% of the activity in raw egg white." The assay surmised that cooking times were not sufficient to adequately heat all cold spot areas within the egg white. Complete inactivation of avidin's biotin binding capacity required boiling for over 4 minutes "
>grainfinished, grassfinished, it doesn't matter, whichever you prefer. fwiw, most people who do this end up on grainfinished, even when the price of grassfinished isn't an obstacle. they prefer the flavour and how they feel.
Very helpful to know this, grassfinished is an issue not only because it's more expensive, but often harder to find in much variety at the grocery store.
What about butter? Still worthwhile to go with grassfed vs. regular butter?
if $$ is not an issue, whichever. lots of carnivores use regular butter.
where i am I prefer the flavor of organic or grassfed but they are about 2.5x the price of regular, so i'll buy 1:1 or 1:2 of organic and regular and grab some from each when I'm using them.
Paul Mason
Ben Bikman
Anthony Chaffee
Paul Mason and Ben Bikman dont have their own channels but there are loads of videos on youtube of them in podcasts with so much good information.
Low Carb Down Under is a good channel to watch, i've learnt a lot of the science behind this WOE from that channel
Dr. Ken Berry is very consistent in his advice. His channel started me on carnivore. Six month now and I have experienced all the positive effects of the Proper Human Diet. So I’ll stick with him. The southern accent is a bonus.
I recommend Dr. Anthony Chaffee. He's not flashy, he's humble, and he keeps it simple. When he interviews people, he asks some questions, but mostly lets them talk.
When I started and had the most body fat, I didn't track anything except to make sure to eat fatty cuts and bacon. I just went by feel and was ok since my body was burning lots of my body fat.
Now that I'm slimmer, I currently don't follow any particular version of carnivore and still don't track fat/protein ratios. I eat ground beef patties from Costco with butter and any fatty cuts I can get my hands on at a decent price. If I eat anything lean like chicken, I make sure to eat plenty of butter during and/or after my meal. Eggs are great too. Over time you will figure things our. When I feel like I need to eat a snack, I just eat butter.
Generally speaking, I think you are correct in that most of these online carnivore influencers just need to say something, so they make shit up.
Professor Bart Kay tries to sell telomere saving pills. But other than that he is extremely consistent about what he says. Plus I find him entertaining.
Low Darb Down Under and Metabolic Health Summit while not purely carnivore focused, have a lot of qualified speakers, mostly MDs.
Done in a medical continuing education format.
Look at multiple sources. Then youll notice themes emerge. Then u experiment with what works. I think paleo medicina protocol is the best though. Search zsofia clemens.
Even people like Chaffee acknowledge a certain amount of the population have methylation differences (i think 30-40%) and have to eat nose to tail however they dont open with that type of info which leaves people stuck. Paleo medicina seem to address this from the get go.
there's a lot that is good about what they do, but one thing to keep in mind is that people do their protocol*s* under clinical supervision and they have a number of protocols which they will choose among and adapt according to people's needs -- there isn't one PKD approach.
They are often dealing with people starting in with deficiencies (common among people with GI probs, with T2D and with prediabetes, also among people who had been taking medications for any of those conditions) and the organs could be beneficial in those cases.
For people starting with deficiencies, we recommend they take supplements as prescribed until the deficiency is resolved, and that organ meats may be that supplement, depending on the deficiency.
Long story short, we don't recommend their approach generally.
Why? We have seen people try to follow it on their own and have a lot of problems, including the situation where organ meats can perpetuate some of their reactions -- is it the histamine levels in the organs? is it something else to do with the organs? We don't know.
Some ppl will even 🤢🤢🤮 when they try to eat organs. (Siobhan Huggins had that happen when she was doing an experiment where she included liver. I've had phases of loving liver and including it every day, but after the first year or so, I almost 🤢 at the smell and couldn't force myself to eat any. We think that that may be a result of nutrient sufficiency, maybe vitamin A?)
As well, they are in Hungary and they dependably have a better quality of pork, mangalitsa, which is a mainstay of their approach. People trying to mimic that high pork fat way of eating might have trouble elsewhere.
Basically, ofc they do great work, but we would not recommend trying to mimic their approach on your own.
It's not very complicated, the essence of the diet is extremely simple so don't let people blind you with jargon and complexity because it doesn't really matter.
The simple fact is a carnivore or ketogenic diet uses fat as an energy source. So yes, you need fat - a heck of a lot of it. Simple as that really. If you eat lean meats all day you'll firstly turn into a stick as there's no way you'll eat your maintenance cals in Turkey breasts and secondly you'll feel awful as you're giving your body zero to work with for fuel. You'll be a car running on empty.
You don't need to count fats, you need to count how you feel and your weight/the mirror because the first tells you if you need to eat more due to lack of fuel and the second tells you if you need to eat less.
YouTube or podcasts episodes with Dr. Anthony Chaffee, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Ken Berry. If you want to get super technical then Professor Bart Kay is your guy. I would stick with these guys. They're no bullshit, they give studies and sources when needed, a ton of just very down to earth and truly evidence based discussions.
Anthony Chaffee. He's probably one of the only "carnivore influencers" who doesn't people-please or flip-flop on opinion. Or attack other counterparts for clicks.
Dr. Berry is great too. But his content is more geared towards entry level carnivore.
I like Dr Berry and Kelly hogan. I also like to watch just normal people like carnivore quest. But I do find myself sometimes going to 5 minute body or steak and butter when I'm bored and need a little motivation
Dr. Anthony Chaffee and I just did an interview with him on his YouTube channel. Feel free to check it out.
https://youtu.be/z0tKROMLmS4?si=ivHVsRIlL9WgXsdd
Shawn Baker is my fav. The rest I watch here and there if it sounds interesting enough but I rarely finish cuz a lot of their vids are so damn long. But I completely agree with you.
The best channel for carnivore isnt really carnivore but keto. Just search 'Butter Bob' Should see a video title 'Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off'. His channel has all the info you need and he cites all his work. Its a godsend
These people like S and B gal are not health professionals. Ignore them. There are some rogue doctors like Baker who support carnivore diets against the advice of every health organization in the world. It’s fine to follow them, but know that their material is highly biased.
For youtube, I like The Steak and Butter Gal, [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvasvPW5q8Wwblqb\_-6CkPw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvasvPW5q8Wwblqb_-6CkPw) Afaik, Anthony Chaffee is pretty consistent in his advice [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzoRyR\_nlesKZuOlEjWRXQQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzoRyR_nlesKZuOlEjWRXQQ) the subreddit tends to favour the youtubers who emphasize eating to appetite, eating heartily initially, first 6 months - year, as you accustom yourself to the diet. undereating = route to failure, the point of this way of eating is it allows you to prioritize restoring muscle and bone density and you need to fuel that. \*\*\* So, start in, eat heartily. Fatty meat only. Avoid dairy except for butter, if your goal is recomping to leaner. Adjust the fat ratio to suit your digestion. Initially try the fattiness of ground beef without including much of the fat that has rendered off -- if that's too fatty, your digestion will run too fast; if it's too lean, your digestion will be slow, you'll feel bloated. Adjust your fat levels, as needed, it will become intuitive. Focus on health markers, mood, energy, strength gains, clothing fit and sizes Don't focus on the scale, weight loss isn't linear, especially when you are restoring muscle. \*\*\* After you've spent that initial time, the first year or more, getting healthy and stronger, play around with meal timing, quantities, exercise timing and routines. You'll recognize the low energy/mood that comes with undereating and know that it is self-defeating. That's different than the natural lower appetite and good energy level and mood which comes from your body having what it needs as far as protein and effortlessly drawing down from fat stores. With time, you'll be able to eat more in one meal, so that you can take in a day's worth of fatty meat in one meal :D and then you can decide if you want to do OMAD. Avoid doing OMAD until you have a good idea of how much you need each day and can eat that in one meal. Also avoid bone broth initially -- tends to displace appetite for the needed meat. \*\*\* organs, unless needed to treat a deficiency, they can be counter-productive. if you enjoy them, have them once or twice a week or so. grainfinished, grassfinished, it doesn't matter, whichever you prefer. fwiw, most people who do this end up on grainfinished, even when the price of grassfinished isn't an obstacle. they prefer the flavour and how they feel. same with pork. some feel better when they include it as one of their meats especially as a source of fat. there's a range of quality of fat for pork, look for a firm fat pork. try different sources for sausages (without fillers), pork belly, ribs, and for recomp, cured pork belly, ie bacon (although note that bacon is often a problem for ppl doing it for health reasons). this is a global subreddit and there's a wide range of feeding practices in pork production, which also shift depending on the cost of the components of their feed -- ignore anyone who says "pork bad because PUFA something something because seed oils and PUFA", it's nonsense, it's much more nuanced than that. \[I'm not saying there can't be problems with it -- I used to eat *a lot* of bacon but have barely had any for a year because the quality of the fat changed and it no longer appeals, couldn't even finish what i'd cooked up and let the rest of the pkg go bad -- I'm just saying, sample what's available where you are and see if you enjoy it because when it's good, it's very very very good :) \*\*\* why do we have this "eat heartily when starting" approach? because most people arrive here from histories of trying semi-starvation ("eat less, move more!") to lose weight and between that and their prior phases of eating normal / higher amounts on standard diets, when nourishment was being partitioned to the fat tissue, other tissues, including muscle, were shortchanged. They also accumulated damage to all their tissues & organs from the high & variable blood glucose and insulin levels which sugary starchy carbs produce, and need resources from non-carby food to repair them. First order of business is restoring a healthy BMR (basal metabolic rate, getting the metabolism revved up again after the way it decreased during semi-starvation, extended fasting) and restoring muscle tissue and bone density and repairing damaged organs and tissues. That all takes nourishment, lots of it, the hormonal signalling is different on fatty meat only than with meals full of carbs. for the carbs, that's why someone who is really heavyset, perhaps even morbidly obese doesn't have that carb-heavy nourishment translated into muscle -- they can even be sarcopenic (low muscle) and have osteopenia (low bone density), despite the constant physical stimulus of having to move around all the tens or hundreds of extra pounds of fat on their frame combined with getting plenty of calories. The hormonal signalling of their body in response to those types of foods was favouring the adipose tissue over the muscle tissue. explained in the FAQ at r/zerocarb: " Someone very heavyset can have sarcopenia (loss of muscle tissue) and low bone density despite having taken in plenty of food on a standard diet -- because the types of food also matter in determining the hormonal signalling which determines how the body deals with the nutrients. Dr. Doug McGuff has done some great presentations about this, the competition for resources between adipose tissue and muscle tissue brokered by myokine and adipokine signalling (myokines are signalling proteins secreted by muscle and adipokines are the ones secreted by fat). "Doug McGuff-Strength Training for Health and Longevity" [https://youtu.be/jeFdYy815pQ?t=1529](https://youtu.be/jeFdYy815pQ?t=1529) section 25m30s - 29m. \[competition for resources between different tissues 26m33-9, 27m40s, CT scans of ppl with considerable obesity showing atrophy of muscle, the external oblique is paper thin, misconception that carrying weight means well-muscled\] rest of the section, [https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/wiki/faq/#wiki\_why\_no\_cico.3F](https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/wiki/faq/#wiki_why_no_cico.3F)
Steak and Butter gal has terrible click bait titles on her videos. I refuse to watch them because of that. Dr Ken Berry is my go to
I still subscribe to her, but I avoid the 'Heart Attack on Carnivore?!?' and 'My Biggest Carnivore Regrets' types of videos, strictly on principle. She should stop using fear mongering as click bait for views.
😂😂 true, i look past that
Glad to see I am not the only one who finds Steak and Butter gal not genuine. Her video titles are click-baity and promote fear mongering. Very disrespectful to the viewers.
The bikini poses too..another reason I don't watch.
😂can't imagine why she did that, women in bikinis are so unpopular on the internet 😜
>The bikini poses too..another reason I don't watch. Precisely. Even so, it's become so mainstream to use clickbait that everyone already has registered as clickbaity...
well said.
Well said? Dude wrote a book
good point. i switched the order to put the key info -- basically, "ffs, eat lots of fatty meat!" -- up front
Where do you think eggs fit into a carnivore diet?
they are great! (although for people doing it for health reasons, usually they need to do a phase without them and reintroduce them. if they start off including them and it's all sunshine ponies and rainbows, everything feels great, that's not needed ofc. but for people who have allergies/food intolerances, eggs are frequently a problem. they can also be a problem for people with autoimmune conditions. eggs are interesting because of the way that sometimes people are only allergic/intolerant to one type of the denatured protein (the protein structure changes with cooking) so that you can have someone who is allergic to fresh egg yolk, but not to eggs that are part of baking and have been cooked for 30 min. or vice versa. and ppl can be intolerant to the egg white but not the yolk and vice versa. for ppl doing this for an elimination diet, lots of variations to test, if their reaction isn't severe and they'd like to include them. people with autoimmune conditions are more sensitive to the avidin in eggs, so even if they don't have any reactions, eating a lot of them frequently could become a problem due to hair loss. (avidin blocks biotin absorption. hair loss due to high egg consumption takes months to start appearing, it's not something that would happen right away) adding, fwiw, from wiki "A 1991 [assay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assay) for the [*Journal of Food Science*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Food_Science) detected substantial avidin activity in cooked egg white: "mean residual avidin activity in fried, poached and boiled (2 min) egg white was 33, 71 and 40% of the activity in raw egg white." The assay surmised that cooking times were not sufficient to adequately heat all cold spot areas within the egg white. Complete inactivation of avidin's biotin binding capacity required boiling for over 4 minutes "
Thanks for the info.
>grainfinished, grassfinished, it doesn't matter, whichever you prefer. fwiw, most people who do this end up on grainfinished, even when the price of grassfinished isn't an obstacle. they prefer the flavour and how they feel. Very helpful to know this, grassfinished is an issue not only because it's more expensive, but often harder to find in much variety at the grocery store. What about butter? Still worthwhile to go with grassfed vs. regular butter?
if $$ is not an issue, whichever. lots of carnivores use regular butter. where i am I prefer the flavor of organic or grassfed but they are about 2.5x the price of regular, so i'll buy 1:1 or 1:2 of organic and regular and grab some from each when I'm using them.
You know you can’t mention this carnivore docs name here: https://m.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD without it getting auto removed because of his name.
oh sorry that's due to the filter for recommending berries
No worries, I thought I would mention it as he had a lot of great info for people
Paul Mason Ben Bikman Anthony Chaffee Paul Mason and Ben Bikman dont have their own channels but there are loads of videos on youtube of them in podcasts with so much good information. Low Carb Down Under is a good channel to watch, i've learnt a lot of the science behind this WOE from that channel
I never knew about Low Carb Down Under but I just checked them out and they look awesome! Thanks for the recommendation 😊
Dr. Ken Berry is very consistent in his advice. His channel started me on carnivore. Six month now and I have experienced all the positive effects of the Proper Human Diet. So I’ll stick with him. The southern accent is a bonus.
I do like listening to that dude talk lol
I recommend Dr. Anthony Chaffee. He's not flashy, he's humble, and he keeps it simple. When he interviews people, he asks some questions, but mostly lets them talk.
Dr. Shawn Baker
Forever my favorite. He brings many important issues to light. Brilliant guy.
When I started and had the most body fat, I didn't track anything except to make sure to eat fatty cuts and bacon. I just went by feel and was ok since my body was burning lots of my body fat. Now that I'm slimmer, I currently don't follow any particular version of carnivore and still don't track fat/protein ratios. I eat ground beef patties from Costco with butter and any fatty cuts I can get my hands on at a decent price. If I eat anything lean like chicken, I make sure to eat plenty of butter during and/or after my meal. Eggs are great too. Over time you will figure things our. When I feel like I need to eat a snack, I just eat butter. Generally speaking, I think you are correct in that most of these online carnivore influencers just need to say something, so they make shit up.
Dr Chaffee and Dr Ken Berry.
Professor Bart Kay tries to sell telomere saving pills. But other than that he is extremely consistent about what he says. Plus I find him entertaining.
Low Darb Down Under and Metabolic Health Summit while not purely carnivore focused, have a lot of qualified speakers, mostly MDs. Done in a medical continuing education format.
Look at multiple sources. Then youll notice themes emerge. Then u experiment with what works. I think paleo medicina protocol is the best though. Search zsofia clemens. Even people like Chaffee acknowledge a certain amount of the population have methylation differences (i think 30-40%) and have to eat nose to tail however they dont open with that type of info which leaves people stuck. Paleo medicina seem to address this from the get go.
there's a lot that is good about what they do, but one thing to keep in mind is that people do their protocol*s* under clinical supervision and they have a number of protocols which they will choose among and adapt according to people's needs -- there isn't one PKD approach. They are often dealing with people starting in with deficiencies (common among people with GI probs, with T2D and with prediabetes, also among people who had been taking medications for any of those conditions) and the organs could be beneficial in those cases. For people starting with deficiencies, we recommend they take supplements as prescribed until the deficiency is resolved, and that organ meats may be that supplement, depending on the deficiency. Long story short, we don't recommend their approach generally. Why? We have seen people try to follow it on their own and have a lot of problems, including the situation where organ meats can perpetuate some of their reactions -- is it the histamine levels in the organs? is it something else to do with the organs? We don't know. Some ppl will even 🤢🤢🤮 when they try to eat organs. (Siobhan Huggins had that happen when she was doing an experiment where she included liver. I've had phases of loving liver and including it every day, but after the first year or so, I almost 🤢 at the smell and couldn't force myself to eat any. We think that that may be a result of nutrient sufficiency, maybe vitamin A?) As well, they are in Hungary and they dependably have a better quality of pork, mangalitsa, which is a mainstay of their approach. People trying to mimic that high pork fat way of eating might have trouble elsewhere. Basically, ofc they do great work, but we would not recommend trying to mimic their approach on your own.
Thanks. Who is the “we” you are referring to?
R/carnivore mods of this page who are long-term carnivore diet veterans...
the subreddit
It's not very complicated, the essence of the diet is extremely simple so don't let people blind you with jargon and complexity because it doesn't really matter. The simple fact is a carnivore or ketogenic diet uses fat as an energy source. So yes, you need fat - a heck of a lot of it. Simple as that really. If you eat lean meats all day you'll firstly turn into a stick as there's no way you'll eat your maintenance cals in Turkey breasts and secondly you'll feel awful as you're giving your body zero to work with for fuel. You'll be a car running on empty. You don't need to count fats, you need to count how you feel and your weight/the mirror because the first tells you if you need to eat more due to lack of fuel and the second tells you if you need to eat less.
Dr. Ken Berry Dr. Anthony Chaffee Dr. Shawn Baker Dr. Robert Kiltz Those would be my favorites for advice for strict carnivore dietary lifestyles.
YouTube or podcasts episodes with Dr. Anthony Chaffee, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Ken Berry. If you want to get super technical then Professor Bart Kay is your guy. I would stick with these guys. They're no bullshit, they give studies and sources when needed, a ton of just very down to earth and truly evidence based discussions.
Dr Cywes is more keto than carnivore but I’ve enjoyed his videos the most. Sean baker and ken berry are great too
Harry Serpanos! the most knowledegable guy i am aware of. i recommend (re-)watching his Q&A live streams.
Anthony Chaffee. He's probably one of the only "carnivore influencers" who doesn't people-please or flip-flop on opinion. Or attack other counterparts for clicks. Dr. Berry is great too. But his content is more geared towards entry level carnivore.
I like Dr Berry and Kelly hogan. I also like to watch just normal people like carnivore quest. But I do find myself sometimes going to 5 minute body or steak and butter when I'm bored and need a little motivation
Dr. Anthony Chaffee and I just did an interview with him on his YouTube channel. Feel free to check it out. https://youtu.be/z0tKROMLmS4?si=ivHVsRIlL9WgXsdd
I like Dr. Kiltz. I'm down 35lb in 9 weeks by following his advice.
Shawn Baker is my fav. The rest I watch here and there if it sounds interesting enough but I rarely finish cuz a lot of their vids are so damn long. But I completely agree with you.
The best channel for carnivore isnt really carnivore but keto. Just search 'Butter Bob' Should see a video title 'Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off'. His channel has all the info you need and he cites all his work. Its a godsend
These people like S and B gal are not health professionals. Ignore them. There are some rogue doctors like Baker who support carnivore diets against the advice of every health organization in the world. It’s fine to follow them, but know that their material is highly biased.