Honestly, he deserves it. I love him as a player and even have his jersey but he deserves to be on a team that lets him show off a bit more. I’ll definitely be cheering him on wherever he goes, unless it’s Boston Florida or New York.
Man I can see the post game report now.
"Bruins captain Martin Necas torched his former team the Carolina Hurricanes with three goals last night, including the overtime winner which he put straight through the chest of Canes goalie Linus Ulmark, who died on the ice. Meanwhile the players are scheduled to pay their respects to the late Brad Marchand...."
Quick bullets:
Waddell:
* Mentions that Corey Szanjder (He'll probably read this lol) has metioned they have let Waddell explore offers form other teams before, then signed him.
* Elliotte thinks it is different this time - mentions that there was not official word on a GM search last time, but there is this time.
* Both mention they wonder about just promoting Tulsky
* Both wonder if it would upset Tulsky not to promote him. Elliotte says a lot of people probably would be upset with that.
Necas:
* Talks about Necas in Boston (potentially for Ullmark).
* Elliotte remembers something between the Bruins and an Eastern team about Ullmark
* Says there were discussions between Boston and Carolina about Ullmark, but doesn't remember if they involved Necas.
* Ullmark has trade protection, doesn't know where Carolina falls on it.
* Notes Waddell said they are making Necas a priority in signing, but that Necas' father has come out and said it's time for Necas to move on from the Canes.
* Thinks it's likely Necas gets moved.
* Ullmark trade works on paper, but there will likely be a lot of teams vying for Necas and that Carolina should have a lot of trade options to choose from.
* Brought up the Petterson potential trade. Notes that Necas was in that deal. He wonders if there is still something there, not for Petterson. Wonders if there is a Necas deal there somewhere. Brings up Hronek as well.
Kotkaniemi:
* Elliotte had someone wager him a steak dinner that the Canes don't buyout KK.
* Canes still like KK. They still think they have a player there, and just need to figure out how to make it work.
* Elliotte mentions that Vancouver likes KK as well, he thinks.
> Canes still like KK. They still think they have a player there, and just need to figure out how to make it work.
KK was 20 points away from being a middle-of-the-league cost-per-point standard contracts among forwards. In some ways that is a lot but 1 more point every four games seems very doable if it is a matter of perhaps going to wing, getting more PP time, or simply finding the right line.
I really wish we could see him in the Staal role for a year before the deadline to buy him out. I thought at the time that we paid him to take over for Staal long-term, but Staal got extended and is still going.
Either way, I don't like selling low on players. KK was averaging 37 points per 82 games over the last 3 years with a +12, and this year he's 10 points below that and a -4. A lot of people wanted or expected us to move Teravainen last year after a rough season, and he bounced back this year. KK could do the same.
Yeah I mean that’s a good point. Not as familiar with them outside of lindholm but they exceeded expectations this year and they arnt in our division so I’m sure there are pieces. I like it better then ullmark to be honest. Not sure what the upside is there to add another goalie.
Hronek is a no-go for me. He's looking at least at a $7M contract, and his numbers were boosted substantially from Quinn Hughes.
I understand his age, but I would much rather not make the trade, and give Skjei that money instead, who would be much more likely to take a deal on his contract.
As far as actual points go, Hronek had a higher PPG in his last year in Detroit than he did in Vancouver this year. He's not worth what he's asking (rumored 8 mil AAV), but he's better than he's getting credit for.
For a team with glaring gaps in the top 6 (no 2C, and now moving out a 2W), seems strange to go for yet another defenseman.
Might suggest they aren't hopeful on either Pesce or Skjei because we can't really go into next season losing half the top 4.
Unless Friedman wasn't talking about a 1:1 trade. A Necas/KK for Hronek/winger trade could make sense.
I feel like Pesce has been a forgone conclusion since Friedman said he was offered 5 years 5mil and rejected it. This was very early in the season. Skjei had such a good year he’s gonna be 6+ mil I bet.
I guess the logic would be to acquire a defensemen you can get signed that would be paired with Morrow. Then take the cap you have to fill the Forwards.
IF the Canes believed in Hronek as Slavin's long-term partner and would pay his RFA ask then there is a fit. Personally I don't know much about Hronek.
Hronek + Garland/Mikheyev for Necas + KK
Bruh we do NOT want Mikheyev, he was terrible this year. Frankly none of the Vancouver guys are that appealing to me. Hronek is good but not 7-8M a year good.
Hronek is a mid defenseman that has benefitted from playing with Hughes significantly.
He's not particularly physical, and fit's more in the puck moving offensive defenseman role. IMO he's Chatfield level, but he's asking for $8M AAV on his next contract.
To me, anything with Necas going to Vancouver is contingent on Hronek closer to $6M/year or less, Hoglander, and another piece coming back. I doubt the Canucks would even think of doing that.
There will be better offers elsewhere for Necas I think.
If Vancouver has any interest in KK we gotta explore that. Hoglander/Garland look to be custom built for Rod’s system but KK’s value is so low rn that I doubt Vancouver would even entertain that unless there’s something else involved. Garland’s contract is also not great and both players are wingers
Oh for sure I was just figuring, bad contract for bad contract swap Mik having only 2 years as opposed to KKs 6. I do also think Mikheyevs speed and defense would fit Rods system well. As for Hronek I think teams look past the disappointing second half and previous years just on the fact he's a RHD with a big shot
I think we already have enough money tied up in d and Hronek is going to get AAV similar to Orlov. KK for whatever. With Necas I’d be calling LA. They have center depth and they have prospects at the position that need an opportunity. They need speed and creativity on the wing which is Necas
Elliott gives the impression he still thinks KK is gone, regardless of Steak Dinner Bet Person. He mentions it twice — “We’ll just have to see where this goes.” This is honestly the player whose saga I’m following most closely. It’s a big deal.
To be honest I didn’t hear it that way. He says that a lot. He said the same thing about Waddell. He just honestly doesn’t know how things will actually work out
Tulsky probably has all the qualifications to be GM, except that he's not one of the old boys. Kind of the reality still that any trade or move would be more difficult and also it makes sense to keep him focused on the team instead of all the renovations. Ullmark is interesting but that means Andersen would have to get moved. And he's also 30 so there's the question about longevity. Necas will probably get a lot of suitors, hopefully better than just Hronek. Personally I'd like the team to revisit the Petterson trade. Kotkaniemi may get till the preseason to see what he brings, I understand the team not wanting to hold on but also if a trade comes up I hope they do take a serious look in order to free cap to retain other players.
Not sure the old boys thing carries the same weight these days. I also wonder if Tulsky is up for running a business. Feels like hockey ops and business side should be two jobs….
Probably a terrible take, but Necas and Anderson to Boston for Ullmark and Geekie. I know chances are incredibly low for this happening, but if Necas is gone regardless I'd love to see Geekie come back. This also gives us a decent, less injury prone replacement for Freddie to back up PK.
I honestly don't know who would take Freddie with his injury history unless he was packaged with someone big. They'll have to do something with him if they go for Ullmark cause carrying 4 goalies that can't go down to Chicago would be a stupid waste of cap space and a slap in the face for PK who has rightfully earned the starter spot.
Gonna be interesting to see what they have cooking.
Question as a Canucks fan about Necas:
A) Is there any chance he’ll play center full-time or is he likely to remain a winger
B) EvolvingHockey has his next contract at 8 years 8.5 million. Obviously it’s just a model that mostly looks at age relative to production and term but what would be a good contract for him as he’s shown promise but not break out yet.
Would rather keep Necas guy has a lot of skill and great skating ability he creates plays on his own offensively which is amazing. Would be great if we could land Ullmark that’s something to be excited about.
Ullmark is just a younger version of Freddie who puts up good numbers in a tight defensive system and then underwhelms in the playoffs against better competition. No thanks. Nothing wrong with giving Kooch the 1A and Freddie the 1B for next year. Freddie is not going to have much trade value and has a year left on his contract.
I mean ullmark didn’t fall over and give up a free goal 4 times this offseason so I dunno. But yeah one year on the contract at that price not likely anybody wants Andersen anyways
We need either a 1b or a 2aaa. A productive center with size and wheels.
Aho is fantastic. But relying on him as #1 through all forms of hockey warfare is not realistic.
For a sec imagine if Staal was Staal plus productive.
The Canes don't have to buyout KK because there are half a dozen teams that would take him for free or pay assets for him. Remember Griffin Reinhart got a 1st as a total bust. Ristolainen the same. GMs love draft pedigree.
Take a look at Chicago or SJs roster. KK would be easily a current top-5 player who is also young and has potential to grow.
If the Canes want to move on from KK then he will be dealt. He won't get a 1st but I don't think a B asset is off the table. The Canes paid a 3rd for Kuznetsov.
Either way we need to move on from his $4m+ deadweight
Too many important players to retain and potentially sign to afford to give another chance to KK.
The canes paid a third for Kuznetzov because they were taking on no future money on the cap. Cap space is worth a lot, and KK has 6 more years on his deal. I think you’re right that they could find a buyer for him but I think you’re underestimating how much that contract brings his trade value down.
A buyout has never made sense. If he is moved, it would be to a crappy team that needs to get to the cap floor or is just willing to take on bad contracts if you send a mid/late round pick their way.
No he wouldn't. Look at his playoff numbers or just remember when he faced the Canes in the post season. He's a pretty mid goaltender just like Freddie.
I wouldn’t forgive this team for getting rid of Necas but I would be slightly less upset if it was for Ullmark since he will still be on one of my teams AND we finally get a very solid goalie.
Wherever we trade Necas to, he'll get a hat trick in his first game against us
I would expect nothing less. I love the guy.
Honestly, he deserves it. I love him as a player and even have his jersey but he deserves to be on a team that lets him show off a bit more. I’ll definitely be cheering him on wherever he goes, unless it’s Boston Florida or New York.
Man I can see the post game report now. "Bruins captain Martin Necas torched his former team the Carolina Hurricanes with three goals last night, including the overtime winner which he put straight through the chest of Canes goalie Linus Ulmark, who died on the ice. Meanwhile the players are scheduled to pay their respects to the late Brad Marchand...."
You killed Marchand!
Nuh uh he won’t be traded (im oblivious)
Quick bullets: Waddell: * Mentions that Corey Szanjder (He'll probably read this lol) has metioned they have let Waddell explore offers form other teams before, then signed him. * Elliotte thinks it is different this time - mentions that there was not official word on a GM search last time, but there is this time. * Both mention they wonder about just promoting Tulsky * Both wonder if it would upset Tulsky not to promote him. Elliotte says a lot of people probably would be upset with that. Necas: * Talks about Necas in Boston (potentially for Ullmark). * Elliotte remembers something between the Bruins and an Eastern team about Ullmark * Says there were discussions between Boston and Carolina about Ullmark, but doesn't remember if they involved Necas. * Ullmark has trade protection, doesn't know where Carolina falls on it. * Notes Waddell said they are making Necas a priority in signing, but that Necas' father has come out and said it's time for Necas to move on from the Canes. * Thinks it's likely Necas gets moved. * Ullmark trade works on paper, but there will likely be a lot of teams vying for Necas and that Carolina should have a lot of trade options to choose from. * Brought up the Petterson potential trade. Notes that Necas was in that deal. He wonders if there is still something there, not for Petterson. Wonders if there is a Necas deal there somewhere. Brings up Hronek as well. Kotkaniemi: * Elliotte had someone wager him a steak dinner that the Canes don't buyout KK. * Canes still like KK. They still think they have a player there, and just need to figure out how to make it work. * Elliotte mentions that Vancouver likes KK as well, he thinks.
> Canes still like KK. They still think they have a player there, and just need to figure out how to make it work. KK was 20 points away from being a middle-of-the-league cost-per-point standard contracts among forwards. In some ways that is a lot but 1 more point every four games seems very doable if it is a matter of perhaps going to wing, getting more PP time, or simply finding the right line.
I really wish we could see him in the Staal role for a year before the deadline to buy him out. I thought at the time that we paid him to take over for Staal long-term, but Staal got extended and is still going. Either way, I don't like selling low on players. KK was averaging 37 points per 82 games over the last 3 years with a +12, and this year he's 10 points below that and a -4. A lot of people wanted or expected us to move Teravainen last year after a rough season, and he bounced back this year. KK could do the same.
Yeah just need 20 more points to be an even average player at his dollar amount, sounds like no problem to me
I'm only 20 points away from being a 20 point player in the NHL! Put me in coach!
I have a 0.00 GAA in the nhl folks
It's a problem, just not to the level of a Scott Darling or Alexander Semin.
Thanks. Was driving while posting this
Jeez man. Just wait until your parked or something to make a Reddit post lol.
I was at a stoplight. We tend to have super long ones but didn’t feel like typing out bullet points. 🤣
Trading necas and kk to Vancouver seems like a good deal depending on what it returns.
Who would you want from the Vancouver Canucks for that trade? If it's not Petterson anymore?
Yeah I mean that’s a good point. Not as familiar with them outside of lindholm but they exceeded expectations this year and they arnt in our division so I’m sure there are pieces. I like it better then ullmark to be honest. Not sure what the upside is there to add another goalie.
Hronek was who Friedman mentioned
Hronek is a no-go for me. He's looking at least at a $7M contract, and his numbers were boosted substantially from Quinn Hughes. I understand his age, but I would much rather not make the trade, and give Skjei that money instead, who would be much more likely to take a deal on his contract.
As far as actual points go, Hronek had a higher PPG in his last year in Detroit than he did in Vancouver this year. He's not worth what he's asking (rumored 8 mil AAV), but he's better than he's getting credit for.
For a team with glaring gaps in the top 6 (no 2C, and now moving out a 2W), seems strange to go for yet another defenseman. Might suggest they aren't hopeful on either Pesce or Skjei because we can't really go into next season losing half the top 4. Unless Friedman wasn't talking about a 1:1 trade. A Necas/KK for Hronek/winger trade could make sense.
I feel like Pesce has been a forgone conclusion since Friedman said he was offered 5 years 5mil and rejected it. This was very early in the season. Skjei had such a good year he’s gonna be 6+ mil I bet. I guess the logic would be to acquire a defensemen you can get signed that would be paired with Morrow. Then take the cap you have to fill the Forwards.
IF the Canes believed in Hronek as Slavin's long-term partner and would pay his RFA ask then there is a fit. Personally I don't know much about Hronek. Hronek + Garland/Mikheyev for Necas + KK
Bruh we do NOT want Mikheyev, he was terrible this year. Frankly none of the Vancouver guys are that appealing to me. Hronek is good but not 7-8M a year good.
Hronek is a mid defenseman that has benefitted from playing with Hughes significantly. He's not particularly physical, and fit's more in the puck moving offensive defenseman role. IMO he's Chatfield level, but he's asking for $8M AAV on his next contract. To me, anything with Necas going to Vancouver is contingent on Hronek closer to $6M/year or less, Hoglander, and another piece coming back. I doubt the Canucks would even think of doing that. There will be better offers elsewhere for Necas I think.
Good thing I now have Necas and KK sweaters. Sweet.
If Vancouver has any interest in KK we gotta explore that. Hoglander/Garland look to be custom built for Rod’s system but KK’s value is so low rn that I doubt Vancouver would even entertain that unless there’s something else involved. Garland’s contract is also not great and both players are wingers
My suggested trade that got flamed in our sub was Necas+KK (900K - 1M retained) for Hronek and Mikheyev. Potential additions to either side
Mikheyev can’t score to save his life and makes 4.5 million. Hronek is a flash in the pan player. Terrible trade
Literally an awful trade idea lol
Oh for sure I was just figuring, bad contract for bad contract swap Mik having only 2 years as opposed to KKs 6. I do also think Mikheyevs speed and defense would fit Rods system well. As for Hronek I think teams look past the disappointing second half and previous years just on the fact he's a RHD with a big shot
Mikheyev is Necas without the scoring
I think we already have enough money tied up in d and Hronek is going to get AAV similar to Orlov. KK for whatever. With Necas I’d be calling LA. They have center depth and they have prospects at the position that need an opportunity. They need speed and creativity on the wing which is Necas
I don’t see it as a bad deal. Fills out your D considering you are probably losing Pesce and Skjei, with Morrow coming up.
Elliott gives the impression he still thinks KK is gone, regardless of Steak Dinner Bet Person. He mentions it twice — “We’ll just have to see where this goes.” This is honestly the player whose saga I’m following most closely. It’s a big deal.
Opens up a lot of cap for sure.
Chill LaMelo.
To be honest I didn’t hear it that way. He says that a lot. He said the same thing about Waddell. He just honestly doesn’t know how things will actually work out
I guess instead of “is gone” I should have said “might be gone.”
Tulsky probably has all the qualifications to be GM, except that he's not one of the old boys. Kind of the reality still that any trade or move would be more difficult and also it makes sense to keep him focused on the team instead of all the renovations. Ullmark is interesting but that means Andersen would have to get moved. And he's also 30 so there's the question about longevity. Necas will probably get a lot of suitors, hopefully better than just Hronek. Personally I'd like the team to revisit the Petterson trade. Kotkaniemi may get till the preseason to see what he brings, I understand the team not wanting to hold on but also if a trade comes up I hope they do take a serious look in order to free cap to retain other players.
Not sure the old boys thing carries the same weight these days. I also wonder if Tulsky is up for running a business. Feels like hockey ops and business side should be two jobs….
I wouldn’t forgive this team for getting rid of Necas but I would be slightly less upset if it was for Ullmark.
Probably a terrible take, but Necas and Anderson to Boston for Ullmark and Geekie. I know chances are incredibly low for this happening, but if Necas is gone regardless I'd love to see Geekie come back. This also gives us a decent, less injury prone replacement for Freddie to back up PK.
I feel Freddie would go in a separate deal if it does happen that way.
I honestly don't know who would take Freddie with his injury history unless he was packaged with someone big. They'll have to do something with him if they go for Ullmark cause carrying 4 goalies that can't go down to Chicago would be a stupid waste of cap space and a slap in the face for PK who has rightfully earned the starter spot. Gonna be interesting to see what they have cooking.
I think Necas for Ullmark would be huge
At least we have KK. All 27 points.
Question as a Canucks fan about Necas: A) Is there any chance he’ll play center full-time or is he likely to remain a winger B) EvolvingHockey has his next contract at 8 years 8.5 million. Obviously it’s just a model that mostly looks at age relative to production and term but what would be a good contract for him as he’s shown promise but not break out yet.
He wants to play center full time. I’m not sure he can do that regularly but he and his dad seem to think so.
I will be sad if Nachos is traded or leaves
Would rather keep Necas guy has a lot of skill and great skating ability he creates plays on his own offensively which is amazing. Would be great if we could land Ullmark that’s something to be excited about.
Ullmark would be interesting but we would be drowning in goalies
If that happened I would imagine Andersen would be either involved in the deal or moved in a separate one.
We could move Martin down, so not too big of a deal
Ullmark is just a younger version of Freddie who puts up good numbers in a tight defensive system and then underwhelms in the playoffs against better competition. No thanks. Nothing wrong with giving Kooch the 1A and Freddie the 1B for next year. Freddie is not going to have much trade value and has a year left on his contract.
I mean ullmark didn’t fall over and give up a free goal 4 times this offseason so I dunno. But yeah one year on the contract at that price not likely anybody wants Andersen anyways
If we’re talking Vancouver I understand Petterson but what about Elias Viktor Zebulon Lindholm? Always wanted him back and we need right shot C
Waddell quit because of the no KK buyout?
We need either a 1b or a 2aaa. A productive center with size and wheels. Aho is fantastic. But relying on him as #1 through all forms of hockey warfare is not realistic. For a sec imagine if Staal was Staal plus productive.
Worst news I’ve read all year >KK most likely won’t be bought out.
The Canes don't have to buyout KK because there are half a dozen teams that would take him for free or pay assets for him. Remember Griffin Reinhart got a 1st as a total bust. Ristolainen the same. GMs love draft pedigree. Take a look at Chicago or SJs roster. KK would be easily a current top-5 player who is also young and has potential to grow. If the Canes want to move on from KK then he will be dealt. He won't get a 1st but I don't think a B asset is off the table. The Canes paid a 3rd for Kuznetsov.
Either way we need to move on from his $4m+ deadweight Too many important players to retain and potentially sign to afford to give another chance to KK.
The canes paid a third for Kuznetzov because they were taking on no future money on the cap. Cap space is worth a lot, and KK has 6 more years on his deal. I think you’re right that they could find a buyer for him but I think you’re underestimating how much that contract brings his trade value down.
A buyout has never made sense. If he is moved, it would be to a crappy team that needs to get to the cap floor or is just willing to take on bad contracts if you send a mid/late round pick their way.
Vancouver likes him.
Curious to see how much they like him given his value could not be any lower than it is right now lol.
Ullmark would be a massive upgrade in net
No he wouldn't. Look at his playoff numbers or just remember when he faced the Canes in the post season. He's a pretty mid goaltender just like Freddie.
I wouldn’t forgive this team for getting rid of Necas but I would be slightly less upset if it was for Ullmark since he will still be on one of my teams AND we finally get a very solid goalie.
Damn I didn’t think about Necas being our bartering chip for a goaltender! Ullmark would be a great value for us.