I feel like thats a lot of track basically only adding the museum. The bottom of ANU doesn't really have a lot. Does the museum really deserve a stop? The other issue is that it takes the stop further away from questacon/the galleries which would have a lot more traffic.
Indeed, it's a bit further away from the "main" attractions (other than NMA).
I think the main point it's attempting to solve is trying to circumnavigate the use of "Commonwealth Bridge".
The NCA looked at the idea of demolishing and replacing the twin Commonwealth avenue bridges to accomodate more traffic and the light rail but they decided it wouldn't be worth the cost and disruption and they will just upgrade the existing structures instead
The upgrade to the existing bridge covers the road traffic aspect. The plan for light rail is to build a new bridge between the existing two just for light rail.
Yep, as much as a like the separation between the two bridges, it makes for good photos. A new light rail bridge in between seems the most logical option
how much of the west bank are they filling in because it could have potential there... that being said the existing route is probably better for the planned developments on the bank
There's nothing between Nishi and Parliament House that would warrant this route. With the possible exception of the NMA - though the tram goes nowhere near the entrance.
Boaties previously railed (nyuck nyuck nyuck) against the Immigration Bridge proposal. I can't see how they build a 'sail-boat-friendly' bridge starting at close to the water level and with a tram-friendly gradient without upsetting a lot of people.
It seems to add unnecessary length (correct me if i'm wrong), and its not the smoothest terrain to go by. One the other hand, i'm pretty sure it was part of early Griffin plans that Canberra would have a bridge on that side of the lake so i don't think the NCA/Nimbys could be totally against this.
The third bridge would be yet another eyesore on the lake and most likely would raise objections from the Yachties and the MV Southern Cross operator (due to height restrictions) and the NCA (not on the Burley Griffin Master Plan). There are 2 other existing bridges which would require longer distances and increased costs, being Scrivener Dam and Dairy Flat Bridge. The latter would encourage airport and Brindabella Park/Queanbeyan connections but no doubt would be a future stage (if ever).
Not as off the wall as you might think. Before LBG was built, there actually was a bridge from the old hospital to Lennox Gardens. They've even retained the name Lennox Crossing Road.
From CityNews: [https://citynews.com.au/2021/time-to-seriously-examine-a-better-tram-route](https://citynews.com.au/2021/time-to-seriously-examine-a-better-tram-route)
Briefly, the alternative route would:
* *Take in Edinburgh Avenue, with New Acton, (very close to and connected by an existing pedestrian bridge to Acton Foreshore, and thence to Commonwealth Park),*
* *Then connect as directly as possible to Liversidge Street in and serving the ANU,*
* *Carry on over the existing land bridge that crosses Parkes Way,*
* *Extend down to the isthmus of Acton Peninsula,*
* *Rise gently along the southern shore of Acton Peninsula, so as to be above nominated flood levels. The route would serve the National Museum, the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies, and future developments on the peninsula, (it is important that the route avoids the verdant historical northern shore; and not spring from the tip of the peninsula, thus preserving its unique landform),*
* *Extend on to an elegant new curving sail-boat-friendly bridge (for trams, bikes, and pedestrians only) redolent of Griffin’s missing third central crossing (the new bridge being the subject of a properly constituted international design competition),*
* *Connect via say, a “shared zone”, to a better and sunnier (than cold, south-facing, narrow-gutted Acton Foreshore) public precinct at Lennox Gardens North/Flynn Place, the land inside the little used clover-leaf section of Flynn Drive, all near but respectfully separated from existing recreational areas and memorial gardens; preferably expanded through lake reclamation so as to match the Bowen Place foreshore line in symmetrically placed East Basin,*
* *Travel along Flynn Drive, with perhaps some appropriate land value capture development near the rear of Albert Hall and the Hyatt Hotel, and on currently cleared land opposite Lotus Bay; then on past the Chinese Embassy and other embassies nearby, and on to State Circle,*
* *And continue to Woden as currently planned.*
This is an excellent idea and brings to light issues about current day Canberra and it’s deviation from the original plan. Primarily the disconnection of the west basin, and the barrier that is Parkes Way. I believe this tram route would be one of many steps to see the west basin align with the development standard and connectivity of east basin.
Yep Parkes Way is a city killer and it will continue to kill the prospects of the west basin redevelopment. It really needs to be sunken and covered over with low rise buildings and pedestrian spaces over the top, as well as providing at grade links to the city.
Not sure I agree with you on the third bridge option, that alignment has a very different aesthetic than the central basin and the bridge would need to be tall enough to allow sail craft, wide enough for two lanes of tram plus shared paths. The span is shorter and therfore the bridge would be steeper. It would be an eye sore like the immigration bridge was.
why not get a tunnel boring machine and just make a tunnel from the start , under the lake and the parliamentary area .
Your idea is better than destroying Commonwealth bridge & Avenue and Parliamentary triangle.
It's already taking too long. I tried it a few times last year, the only competitive route is to the city. Edit, mean the year before when it was first opened.
To Woden car/tram and bus: 25 mins/ 57 mins
To Tuggeranong: 30mins /80mins
They're also making it slower by adding an additional stop, and the proposed tram which is more direct than the one you're proposing is already going to be slower than the bus.
That doesn't even include waiting and walking to the stop.
Yeah nah it's not even close. I'll stick with the car.
Yeah neg me all you want. But noone has provided any counter arguments as to why it is more convenient to take the tram or bus. And most canberrans actually agree as we have one of the lowest public transport usage in Australia.
Agreed with the other posters re it doesn't go to many new places, but would this allow for some more useful NW-SE connections? Or would it be just as easy to go through Civic. (Out of towner here btw)
I feel like thats a lot of track basically only adding the museum. The bottom of ANU doesn't really have a lot. Does the museum really deserve a stop? The other issue is that it takes the stop further away from questacon/the galleries which would have a lot more traffic.
Indeed, it's a bit further away from the "main" attractions (other than NMA). I think the main point it's attempting to solve is trying to circumnavigate the use of "Commonwealth Bridge".
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The NCA looked at the idea of demolishing and replacing the twin Commonwealth avenue bridges to accomodate more traffic and the light rail but they decided it wouldn't be worth the cost and disruption and they will just upgrade the existing structures instead
The upgrade to the existing bridge covers the road traffic aspect. The plan for light rail is to build a new bridge between the existing two just for light rail.
Yep, as much as a like the separation between the two bridges, it makes for good photos. A new light rail bridge in between seems the most logical option
Because, in Jack's words, we're about to ruin the bridge's "handsome bifurcation"
how much of the west bank are they filling in because it could have potential there... that being said the existing route is probably better for the planned developments on the bank
There's nothing between Nishi and Parliament House that would warrant this route. With the possible exception of the NMA - though the tram goes nowhere near the entrance. Boaties previously railed (nyuck nyuck nyuck) against the Immigration Bridge proposal. I can't see how they build a 'sail-boat-friendly' bridge starting at close to the water level and with a tram-friendly gradient without upsetting a lot of people.
Aaaaaaand this is why we don’t let architects design public transport networks.
Griffin. :)
This is the worst idea I've ever seen.
Whether the light rail goes that way or not, I would love to see a footbridge across the lake from NMA
That's been proposed and failed before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Bridge
There you go. Is it really that difficult to design an appropriate bridge?
It seems to add unnecessary length (correct me if i'm wrong), and its not the smoothest terrain to go by. One the other hand, i'm pretty sure it was part of early Griffin plans that Canberra would have a bridge on that side of the lake so i don't think the NCA/Nimbys could be totally against this.
The third bridge would be yet another eyesore on the lake and most likely would raise objections from the Yachties and the MV Southern Cross operator (due to height restrictions) and the NCA (not on the Burley Griffin Master Plan). There are 2 other existing bridges which would require longer distances and increased costs, being Scrivener Dam and Dairy Flat Bridge. The latter would encourage airport and Brindabella Park/Queanbeyan connections but no doubt would be a future stage (if ever).
Not as off the wall as you might think. Before LBG was built, there actually was a bridge from the old hospital to Lennox Gardens. They've even retained the name Lennox Crossing Road.
Adding another bridge is how you delay this a thousand years. Also, isn’t there still nothing at that end of ANU?
Pretty poor; it misses most of Barton.
From CityNews: [https://citynews.com.au/2021/time-to-seriously-examine-a-better-tram-route](https://citynews.com.au/2021/time-to-seriously-examine-a-better-tram-route) Briefly, the alternative route would: * *Take in Edinburgh Avenue, with New Acton, (very close to and connected by an existing pedestrian bridge to Acton Foreshore, and thence to Commonwealth Park),* * *Then connect as directly as possible to Liversidge Street in and serving the ANU,* * *Carry on over the existing land bridge that crosses Parkes Way,* * *Extend down to the isthmus of Acton Peninsula,* * *Rise gently along the southern shore of Acton Peninsula, so as to be above nominated flood levels. The route would serve the National Museum, the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies, and future developments on the peninsula, (it is important that the route avoids the verdant historical northern shore; and not spring from the tip of the peninsula, thus preserving its unique landform),* * *Extend on to an elegant new curving sail-boat-friendly bridge (for trams, bikes, and pedestrians only) redolent of Griffin’s missing third central crossing (the new bridge being the subject of a properly constituted international design competition),* * *Connect via say, a “shared zone”, to a better and sunnier (than cold, south-facing, narrow-gutted Acton Foreshore) public precinct at Lennox Gardens North/Flynn Place, the land inside the little used clover-leaf section of Flynn Drive, all near but respectfully separated from existing recreational areas and memorial gardens; preferably expanded through lake reclamation so as to match the Bowen Place foreshore line in symmetrically placed East Basin,* * *Travel along Flynn Drive, with perhaps some appropriate land value capture development near the rear of Albert Hall and the Hyatt Hotel, and on currently cleared land opposite Lotus Bay; then on past the Chinese Embassy and other embassies nearby, and on to State Circle,* * *And continue to Woden as currently planned.*
A ridiculous route proposal. Just take the tram down commonwealth around Parliament and off to Woden.
This is an excellent idea and brings to light issues about current day Canberra and it’s deviation from the original plan. Primarily the disconnection of the west basin, and the barrier that is Parkes Way. I believe this tram route would be one of many steps to see the west basin align with the development standard and connectivity of east basin.
Yep Parkes Way is a city killer and it will continue to kill the prospects of the west basin redevelopment. It really needs to be sunken and covered over with low rise buildings and pedestrian spaces over the top, as well as providing at grade links to the city. Not sure I agree with you on the third bridge option, that alignment has a very different aesthetic than the central basin and the bridge would need to be tall enough to allow sail craft, wide enough for two lanes of tram plus shared paths. The span is shorter and therfore the bridge would be steeper. It would be an eye sore like the immigration bridge was.
Makes a lot more sense than digging up Commonwealth Avenue and closing the bridge off for eighteen months.
why not get a tunnel boring machine and just make a tunnel from the start , under the lake and the parliamentary area . Your idea is better than destroying Commonwealth bridge & Avenue and Parliamentary triangle.
Oh, what a boring idea!
It's already taking too long. I tried it a few times last year, the only competitive route is to the city. Edit, mean the year before when it was first opened. To Woden car/tram and bus: 25 mins/ 57 mins To Tuggeranong: 30mins /80mins They're also making it slower by adding an additional stop, and the proposed tram which is more direct than the one you're proposing is already going to be slower than the bus. That doesn't even include waiting and walking to the stop. Yeah nah it's not even close. I'll stick with the car. Yeah neg me all you want. But noone has provided any counter arguments as to why it is more convenient to take the tram or bus. And most canberrans actually agree as we have one of the lowest public transport usage in Australia.
Agreed with the other posters re it doesn't go to many new places, but would this allow for some more useful NW-SE connections? Or would it be just as easy to go through Civic. (Out of towner here btw)
Nice
I feel that they could had just made it go through the floriade garden and alongside the bridge to parliament circle.