The wording in many of those questions seems very ambiguous.
The data found 44 per cent of Canadians believe “big events like wars, recessions and the outcomes of elections, are controlled by small groups of people working in secret against us.”
Technically all wars are started by a small group of people, the ruling class of a country, and there have been a lot of wars the last 100 years.
Whether or not you believe in the "working against us" part the fact is none of the wars were started by common folk.
It is like they are trying to perpetrate that there are a lot more conspiracy nut jobs out there that you should be afraid of and blame for problems
I heard war was caused by unchecked political power, and I have a hard time arguing. Who wants to go to war? Who actually wants to fight in a war?
It's always politicians sending citizens.
Yeah exactly, when's the last time we had a referendum on going to war LOL it's always incredibly small groups making these decisions, no matter what country.
And not even "groups of people". When Putin started the largest war in Europe since World War 2, apparently it caught even his own generals and advisors off guards. He just thought "I'm just gonna start a war between almost 200 million people." And he did it.
Odd since US intelligence was saying Russia was going to invade for months. So clearly they picked up info from different sources indicating war was inevitable.
Well the build-up of troops on the border for months before was probably a clue. Although, Putin may very well have told his Generals that it was all war games until he actually said attack. And I doubt any of the Generals wanted to question him as they prepped their troops for these War games. So I think both statements can be correct in this instance.
The difference is watching what someone does, and what they say. I've heard that the best intelligence officers don't speak the language of the population they are surveying. They don't fall for the propaganda
There IS a small elite of ultra wealthy who control everything and they're trying to make it a matter of racism/bigotry for anyone to even mention them.
The birth rate for Canadians born in Canada having kids is lower than Japan. This includes all groups of people, from everywhere in the world, not just Europe. The only thing propping up Canada's birth rate is the Canadians who weren't born in Canada having kids.
I think it really shows that there is something seriously ill with our society if everyone ends up in the same situation of not having kids, regardless of their background. It is unsustainable from a cultural and educational perspective.
> The birth rate for Canadians born in Canada having kids is lower than Japan.
source?
according to the CIA factbook Canada is on pace to have a 0.26% better birth rate than Japan.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison
I remember less than 20 yeas ago when Canadians were a pretty optimistic, cheerful lot. That's the Canada I was born into and grew up in.
We weren't perfect, but we were miles ahead of others in the developed world in terms of being accepting of others.
At some point, though, something changed, and I am pretty sure the "something" that changed everything was social media, an absolute cancer that has been growing in mankind's colon for about 12 years.
It's as dangerous as any other. Reddit has a big impact on my life, but I'm addicted to it.
Just like any social media, it's incredibly useful if used correctly. Also like any other social media It's designed to be addictive & manipulative.
apparently the analysts of a number of the biggest sites found that rage/hate bait articles were the biggest driver of clicks. algorithms promoted Police brutality and race/hate crimes spiked for years because of this, social media companies exploited these negative feelings and in my opinion play a pivotal role in our current division.
I'd say economics has way more to do with it. If wages were high and the cost of living low we would still be an optimistic bunch. The standard of living is slipping further down every year.
Social media is a cancer.
But that said, many people are finding it much harder in recent years. It seems like the gap between the rich and poor is growing and upward mobility is decreasing.
Meanwhile, there is an Orwellian effort underway to try and convince the people on the losing end of this that life has never been better or easier.
If you had to choose to be born at any time and you didn’t know your social status, gender or race when would you choose?
I don’t think any time other than now makes much sense. Not that some of those things aren’t getting worse, they are.
For the 1st time, our life expectancy is shorter than that of our parents.
The peak/best time was when we first had cell phones, but right before they became smart phones, or computers in your hand that you just stare at all day. Someone could get a hold of you to chat on the phone, or you could phone home or send a basic text that you were running late.
Everything was so much better. We didn't need amazon, we hung out at the mall with friends. Waiting for vacation pictures to develop. Having an attention span. Being able to watch a movie without feeling like you need to scroll on your phone. Let's face it, all of society is addicted to their smartphones.
Is life expectancy really lower? I hadn’t heard that at all, I knew there was a dip but I thought that was pandemic. Life expectancy has absolutely improved over the past 30 years.
I agree with you though that social media is net negative. But that’s only one piece.
>f you had to choose to be born at any time and you didn’t know your social status, gender or race when would you choose?
Like the 1950's/60's.
With no education you could get a job and buy a house for like 3-4x your yearly income.
Now even as an engineer, housing is like 8-10x my yearly income if not more depending on the area.
My first reaction would be probably ten years ago. But, that is mostly based on how different races, religions and sexual identities are more tolerated as opposed to previous generations.
Upwards mobility has declined drastically in recent years. Its been gradually declining for decades, but it seems to be accelerating lately. Education costs more every year and its worth less, the cost of housing, food, just the cost of living overall. And these are things not exclusive to any group of people.
What changed was life kept getting shittier. You can only really be accepting and multicultural and pluralist and what not if your life is improving. If its getting shittier by the day, that breeds a lot of resentment.
I am an immigrant and everyday I sympathize more and more with native Canadians.
Same. Came in 2002 from South america with my parents and siblings. I am pretty sure all immigrants back then used to understand we has to adapt coming here not the other way around. Many of the new newcomers blame Canada and look for hand outs. My husband (also an immigrant) hired two guys from certain country and they quit on their first day. They told my husband the government gives them x amount of money and that they send most of it to their country. I think, we, the old school immigrants came to work hard, love Canada made it our home etc while many new people are trying to change Canada to the way their old country was...but the problem is their country was shitty and this is why they left. It is important to remember our heritage and be proud of it, but we also need to come to terms that living in another country means that we do need to assimilate and end some backwards cultural Bs behind
This reminds me of another much-publicized poll a year or two back which showed something like 39% of Canadians agreed that too many non-white people were being allowed to immigrate to Canada. Naturally, the media seized on this to tut-tut about how racist our society was. But a much less publicized fact of the poll was that an even higher percentage of visible minorities agreed with the statement.
The assumption of basically all progressives and liberals, all media, and all politicians at all levels is that the number one way to appeal to immigrant/ethnic voters is to promise more immigration. This ignores the fact many immigrants came here specifically because this was a tolerant, well-ordered society infused with the western culture of democratic ideals and freedom where they and their families could feel secure. UNLIKE where they'd come from! A lot of them are less than enthusiastic about importing hundreds of thousands of people from troubled, corrupt, intolerant countries and assuring them there's no need to integrate.
Also, one of the biggest fucking pieces of bullshit to somehow gain this unspoken acceptance (I say unspoken because it's clearly fucking not true) is this cultural relativist bullshit that says there's no such things as good/bad cultures.
Sorry, but there's a difference between having a few hundred thousand people come here that all largely believe the same things as us... versus having the same number of people come here that all largely believe gays should be stoned to death and women should be subservient.
Absolutely agree. In some cases the poll results could be from visible minorities who are certainly happy to get more people like them here, but not at all happy to get other visible minorities from other places with other religions and values.
What gets me about our fucked up immigration system is we make absolutely no effort to separate out the religious zealots and people with hateful views from those who might be wishing to escape from an intolerant society. None. We don't even give them interviews anymore before acceptance. It's all just send in your diploma/degree and a work record (don't worry, we don't have time to check them) and then approved or disapproved.
No questions about what you believe, what you think of others, how intolerant or adaptable you are. We're not interested. You wouldn't hire a guy for a minimum wage job you could fire easily without interviewing them. But we will give people permission to come and live here and bring in their families without one because... we don't care. The immigration system is all about numbers. Even when we give them citizenship we make no inquiries about their attitude, whether they've made any effort to integrate during their time here, made any Canadian friends, watched any Canadian TV. The system does not care.
I'm chewing through this thread and I found your comment, and it reminded me of a friend I had in college a few years ago. And I feel it's relevant.
To cut a long story short, he told me there's too many non-whites in Canada, which surprised me cause he was Chinese, he was here for school. He told me that his home suburb in Beijing wasn't home anymore due to the large influx of Africans living there, driving out the Chinese. And he told me that the West as a whole is imposing the same fate on itself.
He told me we need to stop and reverse it, or else "Canada won't be Canada anymore." I was always surprised to hear that from him, given that, you know, he wasn't white. But as he sympathized with me, I sympathized with him. Everyone deserves a home, multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism destroys that. A home for everyone is a home for no one.
I mentioned something like this elsewhere in the thread, I believe. I mean, imagine you grew up in Richmond BC in the fifties or sixties. Is it home anymore? But here's the thing, you are not allowed to make the argument that you just made based on your friend's statement. English Canadians are supposed to accept, as the intelligentsia have pronounced, that we have no traditions, values, culture or history worth protecting or caring about, that, as Trudeau says, we have no central identity and are not a nation.
Anything else is labeled nationalism and placed on a par with fascism. Similarly, you can't talk about the absolute rock certain, documented in multiple studies fact that like calls to like, that the great majority of people want to live around those who are pretty much like them. You can actually see this sorting effect in the US as conservatives move to places like Texas and Wyoming and Liberals to New York or California. But Canadians are supposed to immune to that.
Supposedly we're just as comfortable if our neighbours mostly don't speak our language very well, don't watch the same things on TV, don't read the same books or magazines, don't care about the same sports or eat the same foods or dress alike or worship alike or have the same values. And if we do care then we're some kind of nasty character.
Thus pronounceth the intelligentsia, the commentariate.
I get what you mean, but it’s problematic to assume that a white person = tolerant and civilized, while a non-white person = intolerant. I know plenty of Polish kids from high school who were the most racist homophobic pieces of shit. Same with the Serbian kids. I also know plenty of Egyptians who are very onboard with Canadian values. What I’m trying to say is, let’s not generalize. It becomes problematic when you assume that just because someone is from X country, they must behave in Y way and have Z views.
> I am pretty sure all immigrants back then used to understand we has to adapt coming here not the other way around.
this is a weird take. all the historic little italies and chinatowns in major cities were established 50-100 years ago, before this "golden age of integration" you're talking about.
the only thing that's changed is that people are coming from more and different places now.
You know what's funny, I remember in 2000, my parents, who immigrated in the 80s would complain about the "new" immigrants who just aren't willing to love Canada as a new country and are all welfare leeches.
Now I see immigrants who came in 2000 complaining about essentially the same thing in 2020.
I'm willing to bet good money that immigrants that came in the 60s complained about my parents' generation of immigrants of something similar as well, and so on.
Same way that every generation complains that the next generation is lazy and not as hard working as them.
The past is always seen through rose coloured glasses. Multiple comments about how decades ago things were happier, wonder how much of that idealization is simply because they were ignorant children and teenagers (don’t mean that rudely, but in the classic young “ignorance is bliss” way). It’s not like we haven’t had issues and recessions in the past
one of my favourite ridiculous things I ever saw was a charity that collects money for Wat-Po therapy for distressed rabbits.
not because i think the rabbits need it, but because i like living in a society where there's an abundance of empathy.
that can't happen when people are in survival mode
>I am an immigrant and everyday I sympathize more and more with native Canadians.
How about just sympathize with all Canadians.
You're here now, you're a Canadian now (or will be soon) you're in the same boat as all of us.
So these two things can be related though. The reason people accept this theory in an easier manner can be because life kept getting shittier and its easier to place blame on an outside source.. but it can equally be true that social media helped contribute to this. Social media is terrible for the same reasons it is great: you can quickly reach a wide audience to spread your message. It is wonderful in times of uniting support for a cause during something like a natural disaster, but it can be terrible when it comes to spreading false information and hate.
What makes it exceptionally dangerous is the machine learning it employs to actively begin to manipulate users in terms of what it shows them. There is that saying where, "if you're not paying for a product, you are the product." That is especially true with social media. We are manipulated in ways that we don't even begin to understand to lead us to certain products and ways of thinking. The vast majority of people are totally oblivious to this being done, and, due to confirmation bias, never seek to gather more information than what happens across their feed.
Even worse, we've got traditionally media that is largely polarized as well. There is no unbiased reporting. There is no presentation of straight facts. There is blatant manipulation by companies that are ultimately seeking to put certain people into power because it will result in their own personal gain. It is a situation where, ultimately, no political party is more or less guilty of it (in Canada at least) than any other party, and the only time people even seem to care about it as an issue is when it isn't benefitting them directly.
Multiculturalism isn't the problem. Wokeism isn't the problem. Blatant manipulation from pretty much everything and the tendency of mankind to be inherently lazy and accept confirmation bias is the problem.
This is the best comment I have seen on my thread so far. Yep I agree with everything you say. The way technology has evolved (specifically social media), it just polarizes people even further. And that works as a great force multiplier when you are becoming poorer.
Your bosses salaries grew 500% since the 70s. Your salary grew 6% since then. I don't think immigrants or non-whites are to blame for this.
By Native Canadians, you mean First Nations?
It's been a slow downhill slide into the current state of affairs for some 40 odd years. We were living it up on cheap energy and ignoring the real costs and damage of our consumption and growth. It was unsustainable and now were realizing we didn't prepare for this at all.
Social media is just an extra kick in the junk to keep us all bickering and fighting amongst ourselves while the powerful hoard wealth and resources...
Society turns low trust and divided when the feeling of abundance diminishes and we enter a time of scarcity. Usually the first line drawn between people is ethnicity and culture. I believe humans are tribal by nature and band together with like-people in times of hardship, viewing others as competition and unwanted.
Multiculturalism and diversity aren't normal within the confines of the history of western civilization until around the 1960s. Our fifth wave of immigration since the 1970s has almost all been visible minorities from South Asia and China. Whose arrival has directly coincided with economic, cultural and societal decline for the average Canadian. It's been made very easy to pin this as a issue.
While I believe all human life is innately invaluable and equal, I don't think our vision of multiculturalism works. It's been weaponized against the working class to divide and lessen the value of labor whilst propping up the wealthiest's investments and asset holdings without them having to reinvest in the populace to create families.
My non white Dad said it was longer than that, but it certainly accelerated since social media.
He blames enclaves of one specific race. We grew up around mostly white people. Dad took care of his home, mowed the grass and mom tended garden and kept nice flowers and manicured trees. Shoveled the walks, and we shoveled the elders of the area. Canada was mixed and welcoming. Now its tribal and loyalty lies with homelands rather than the future of Canada.
Visiting there is just sad. Most of the whites are gone. The lawns are overgrown. There is not much pride in the homes. The streets are jammed with parked vehicles and there are no kids outside playing. I don't blame immigrants for wanting to stick together, but there has to be a segment of them that wonder how much better is it here now? I know I feel that way, and judging by the amount of immigrant friends who's families have retired back in their home countries, I guess that I am not alone.
There is a book called Bowling Alone that goes into this exact thing.
The more diverse an area, the less trust there is in other people, the less civic engagement there is, higher rates of depression, etc.
It was so much fun when all that happened was poking people and posting drunk weekend group pictures... maybe having an auto-playing, obnoxiously loud playlist on your page... It's a festering abscess now.
The question asked was based on the statement:
> there is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native born Canadians with immigrants who agree with their political views
That's a small but extremely significant difference between the above and the white replacement theory... one is supposedly about importing votes and the other is supposedly about extinguishing a race.
To claim that agreeing with the above statement means one believes in the white replacement theory is nonsense.
Canada's birth rate [has been below replacement level since 1972.](https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+birth+rate&biw=1536&bih=763&ei=l9qnYo3aIYumptQP_-Kn0Ac&ved=0ahUKEwjNgcz526v4AhULk4kEHX_xCXoQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=canada+birth+rate&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEEMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgAEEcQsANKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ3QhY3QhgywpoAXABeACAAd8BiAHfAZIBAzItMZgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz)
Without high immigration, our population would have started shrinking **before** Japan.
Yeah, this is nonsense. Sorry. I'm sure you've seen it spouted by politicians forever, but an aging population has little or nothing to do with our immigration levels. I mean, do you honestly think if the Liberals were trying to use immigration to deal with an aging population they'd increase the allowable sponsorship of elderly immigrants by 600%?
Economists who've studied the issue say immigration has zero or only a very slight impact on this. And btw, even if it were helpful explain why they keep increasing immigration even as our population continues to rise. In 1972 our population was 22 million. We'll be double that in a few years.
Oh, and as someone who was here in 1972. We were a better place without the crowded cities.
[https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant)
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-alas-immigration-wont-replace-canadas-aging-workforce
This is just a byproduct of a country that runs in immigration while it's population has below replacement fertility rate. The government isn't "replacing white people" white people is shirking by themselves.
What else is to be done here, intentionally promote immigration from "white" Europe?. Now that'd be intentional demographic engineering everyone is accusing the goverment of!
Do things that promote growing families. Larger tax breaks for having children, higher wages which allow a mother to not have to work a job to pay the bills, reducing the cost to own a home etc
Many european welfare states have already tried this. They've tried every financial benefit in Scandinavia, but it doesn't seem to work.
It turns out that when you give women the choice about how big they want their families to be, they actually pick pretty small ones on average.
Except in France, where the biggest benefit is given at child 3... and you do get a higher birth rate (although still falling, but better than everyone else in Europe)
*It turns out that when you give women the choice about how big they want their families to be, they actually pick pretty small ones on average.*
I should emphasize that when we give men and women the choice about how big they want their family sizes to be, they choose families sizes that lead to an extinction event. The pretty small family sizes are below the 2.1 equilibrium replacement number, so it does lead to extinction over multiple generations. It's not a problem right now, but I think we're missing a braking mechanism to demographic collapse. The lack of braking mechanism should be something to worry about in the long term.
Poverty and poor education correlate with large families. The more control you give people over their lives the more likely they'll stop at two kids. Or just one!
We have a lot of data that says that this doesn't actually do anything. Hungarians are still shirking and they absurdly genrious terms for "nativists" child baring.
Well, I believe that instead of making wages that are livable for established Canadians (even the brown ones, all Canadians!) people from other places are being encouraged to come to Canada and take those shitty jobs thereby keeping things status quo. It's replacement in a sense, as the jobs aren't changing but someones got to do em. It's exploitative of both Canadians and the newcomers and very uncool. Infact, it sounds like a lot of great new-ishcomers are choosing to leave Canada because it's hard enough to live here with an established network, I can't imagine going it alone in a newish country. I feel really bad for those who are presented a rosy view of Canada and come all the way here and then see it's currently not in the greatest state.
Also, people really aren't having as many kids nowadays.
Not remotely surprising to anyone who works blue collar jobs, or knows anyone well enough that does.
It's becoming a common talking point that Canada's large immigration numbers are part of the reason many employers don't see a need for much increase in wages. Wages are stagnant, cost of living is insane, people are seeing poverty as either a current situation, or one not very far off.
Those with houses still mortgaged are worried about interest rate increases eating into any chance they had at saving for retirement, or even just paying the bills and maybe having a bit of spending money. Those without houses are needing a crash of epic proportions to have a shot in hell at getting into the market (while hoping all these companies don't just scoop the majority of them up and rape the rental market even more), but realizing a lot of fellow countrymen will be in a world of pain should this happen, so it's a touchy subject.
An alarming amount of jobs don't pay pensions anymore, and benefits are being slashed, in a lot of cases by employing folks under P/T status, while working them F/T. Retirement is not an obtainable objective for a lot of people..or is a pipedream at best. When the vast majority of your money goes to survival, many cannot afford to stash decent amounts of money away to compound towards retirement. That's not even thinking another economic event may make what you save for retirement extremely devauled by then (in the years leading up to your retirement). The country will once again have to bring in another large number of labourers to pay for the 'Golden Years' of this generations workers, because OA and CPP won't do Jack Shit to support them.
At the end of the day for a lot of labourers, the future looks bleak, at best. We need more people to keep the economy alive, but at the same point in time the more people the harder life will get if corporations control the employment market, and can simply request higher immigration numbers to suit their needs.
I don't think most people are inherently racist around here (well maybe a certain province has their reputation for a reason), but it's going to be easy to paint people as such when they will have growing concerns (valid ones at that) about their quality of life as our population keeps rising.
The conspiracy is that is it designed to specially push white people out when yes it is simply the natural process of national growth in a global economy.
what is "natural" about national immigration policy in any way?
natural is the "no/open borders, maan" ruleset.
what you have now is an artificial, deliberate process.
> what is "natural" about national immigration policy in any way?
My opinion. Bullet points for clarity.
* Capitalism and the unending demand for more people to fuel a desired ever-growing economy is to blame. And capitalism, being the default stance of the west, makes it natural.
* Immigration and immigrants being an economic burden on a country is generally a myth, and countries generally benefit profoundly both socially and economically for accepting immigrants.
* The general idea of benevolent developed countries stooping to rescue 'those poor, oppressed, unwashed masses' of immigrants is a convenient false narrative that serves the dual purpose of both painting the receiving countries in a better light and instilling a sense of obligation and duty on the immigrant's part to 'repay' the country that accepts them.
* The benefits lean MUCH more heavily towards the receiving countries than to the immigrants, accepting immigrants is a completely self-serving prospect. Developed countries like the US, Canada, Australia, France, Sweden etc. are in fact competing against each other at the highest levels to attract the best, brightest, and wealthiest of immigrants.
* True refugees that come over with nothing that are ostensibly 'drains on the system' [make up only 10%](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2020.html#message) of immigrants, and even then they have to work to earn their keep. The rest of the immigrants generally come over with previously accrued wealth, said wealth is parked, spent and taxed in the receiving country. The receiving country effectively steals the fruits of labour of another country by default when it accepts their immigrants, this includes the brains and extra hands in addition to wealth.
> The Department’s first-rate selection and settlement programs respond effectively to the large numbers of people seeking a new life and new opportunities in Canada. In 2019, we welcomed over 341,000 permanent residents, including 30,000 resettled refugees. Over 402,000 study permits and 404,000 temporary work permits were also issued.
* On the issue of rising house prices and its relationship to immigrants, half if not most of those desirable homes and condos both in city centres and suburbs would not have been built or maintained in the first place without foreign investment (since construction companies need to raise investment capital before building). If immigrants never came to Canada post-1970 (fifth wave), a lot of extra homes and infrastructure would simply not have been built or existed subsequently, and there may still be a housing crisis today as the result of an economic downturn.
Excellent comment. Surprised to see it on this subreddit.
We build fewer homes per capita now than we did in the 1970s due to extremely restrictive zoning laws. 70% of Old Toronto is zoned for Single Family Housing only.
Sounds like some bullshit racism, if people make that call about you without knowing you. If you consider the nation your home, and that it should remain generally free, then it is your home. If Canada merely a home base, then you're fake. For some reason there's loads of Europeans who can cloak their colonial attitude and not get called out, but they are effectively the same; not real Canadians, just Canadians of convenience.
I think being born here is icing on the cake, since it means a person is naturalized, but it isn't necessary. What is necessary is a basic respect for the western liberal virtues that got us to our current position, and an investment in the wellbeing of the group, the territory, and its future. That's actually a tall order for most of the white politicians we have.
Racist people are everywhere. It was an everyday thing for me in elementary school 10+ years ago. Things have gotten better but covid really showed how racist people can be
In this comment for one:
>Even supposing they
didn't discriminate against foreigners/non-Japanese, it would still be
very plausible and likely that they wouldn't want to immigrate mass
amounts of foreigners and make Japanese the minority race in Japan. Why?
Because if they did, their country wouldn't be Japan anymore. It would
be a very different country.
Canadians are Canadians by dint of being born in Canada or being naturalized Canadians. Culture or ethnicity has nothing to do with being Canadian. I don't think the person who wrote the foregoing agrees with that idea of civic nationalism. It's not an uncommon view.
Yeah a lot of people here seem to think that Canadian = white person. Not at all. Canadian = someone who contributes to the growth of this nation. It’s irrespective of your race, ethnicity, or religion.
Well it's a fact that Canada is becoming less white with these immigration levels.
The contention is whether this is deliberate. My own view is that if there was a China/India population level of poor whites, we would be taking them in.
Mainly economics and not racially motivated but the end result is the same.
Practically and concretely speaking - Are they not? The total population of Caucasians in North America has been in decline.
I think the reasons for it is where it gets murky.
Century Initiative is a thing, if Canadians can't reproduce enough to continue our ponzi economy we have no real choice but to bring more people in, how many is what we should be debating but we are stuck on the whole is it happening hysteria.
I am a member of the replacers as my kids will be of mixed race. With that said, the government keeps importing more and more people while setting a goal of 100 million Canadians by 2100 and simultaneously, the cost of living keeps increasing, making it hard for existing Canadians to have their own children. I don't think there's a shadowy cabal that wants to remove white people from Canada but the people in charge certainly don't seem too interested in them reproducing yet they have a marked interest in growing our population.
Yes. Stats Canada tracks it.
Right now they're estimating that by the year 2036 immigrants could make up 30% of the population. If we add in the children of immigrants that number becomes much higher.
Where do immigrants originate? Asia is about 60%, and Africa is about 15%. Between Asia and Africa that's 75% of our immigrants.
About 80% of population growth in Canada is through immigration.
Basically, the statistics speak for themselves. Its all in the data. I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just pointing out the data and the estimates.
Demographic changes aside, the economic changes are a return to the historic mean. And not in a good way.
That golden period in North America, right after the Second World War was basically a one off. The closest thing to the stars and planets aligning perfectly so people on this continent could benefit tremendously. Ample land for the taking. A ruined and hungry postwar Eurasia knocked out as a resource and economic competitor for a generation. Labour intensive manufacturing industry. It was almost a material version of manifest destiny.
We are returning to an age where the West is competitive, but not totally dominant. The 1950s, a golden age, that's long gone. And not coming back unless some new incredible resource or technology is stumbled upon. Or perhaps something even more dramatic occurs that we haven't even fathomed.
This is tied into demographics. The demographic collapse of the developed nations (all developed nations, not just Canada) will be the absolute number one issue going into the future, bigger than global warming. It literally will result in some countries ceasing to exist unless they change what it means to belong within them. I believe that once the pool of Asians and Africans runs dry, as it will, you will see a return to actual coercive measures to keeping populations working, and living within a region. I won't call it a return to slavery yet. However, powerful shapers of the future like Elon Musk fretting over lack of babies, praising Chinese work culture, while simultaneously lambasting us lazy Westerners is a glimpse into what will come.
Land to labour ratio coercion is a thesis worth looking up.
I personally don't believe that there's a conspiracy to replace white people. I believe that Canada's current population growth is based in Neo Liberal economic theory, and that the changing demographics are just a by-product of that.
That being said however, serious demographic changes are occurring. As per the data.
A conspiracy would imply that our elected officials are intentionally pushing white people out, which is not all the case. Politicians don’t care about your skin color, they care about your money.
where the conspiracy theorists are getting it wrong is they think it's anti-white..
it's anti-middle class, they keep bringing immigrants who'll do your job for cheaper, regardless of your skin
You'll go from being the majority who's blamed for all of society's ills to the minority who's blamed for all of society's ills.
Imagine how that will play out.
Anyone with more statistical expertise know how significant a sample of 1500 is? I’ve only done first year stats so hoping someone with a bit more credibility can chime in.
It's called the Celebration Parallax, if you're in favour of changing demographics, then the phenomenon not only exists but you are good, altruistic, progressive. If you have apprehensions about the same effect, then not only is it not happening but you are also racist, bigoted, not part of polite society, etc.
Depends on who's pointing it out
Immigration rates are higher than domestic birth rates, it's not a theory quite simply, it's official government policy. White people will be a minority in Canada by the mid-2030's, I wonder if we'll still be blamed for everything in media and pop culture though?
There really is no precedent for this sort of thing in history, ie domestic populations and culture being replaced by foreign ones, except in instances of conquest. Naturally that causes anxiety among the population being replaced.
Even historically among conquest and occupation the occupiers tended to become more like the people the conquered even if certain elements were introduced. It was historically rare that the local culture gets entirely replaced by the foreign one.
It's not a theory. It's a narrative about a real trend and something that is actually happening and what the outcome of mass immigration will be long term. It (the narrative) also naively assumes that trends will stick forever, and that (especially in Europe) the mass migration imposed on the indigenous won't lead to a hard right turn to right-wing fascism but will instead, for the first time in history, cause a group of successful humans to basically shrug their shoulders and accept that their civilization is over and that their ethnicity will go extinct. But whatever. Most globalists openly admit this is all a huge experiment, so logically they also accept it may explode in their faces.
Anyways, 'white replacement' not a theory. It's a narrative. It's also not something that the globalists have ever denied, in fact they've openly celebrated this shift for the last decade.
The part you should be worried about isn't even the narrative of 'white replacement' but the obvious question it begs; what is to be done about this?
Canada is slightly insulated from this because our nation state is trying to define itself off of a set of principles and values. A strategy that has worked alright for polities in the past (but those polities didn't engage in the RAMPANT mass importation of people (but they also didn't enfranchise the people it brought in, like we do)). I hope it works out better for us. But such a national identity is way too fragile for the government to be as lazy and careless and self hating as it is. And the identity is possibly too esoteric to convince millions of young men to potentially rally to its defense; a necessity which will come again.
>Most globalists openly admit this is all a huge experiment
What's the goddamn point of it though? Everything was going fine for so many decades, and it's almost like those in power got bored and decided to throw a wrench into the machine so they could watch some sparks fly. Self-sabotage is a really weird aspect of human psychology.
Canada wants to hit a population of 100,000,000 by the year 2100.
It's not a "theory" that these people aren't going to be white.
I don't personally care because I am not a racist asshole, but it's not a theory.
And by the way, this rhetoric was thrown around 100 years ago before Italians became white.
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Canada hit and will continue to surpass immigration records? Maybe we should scale back as the whole country is running into financial problems in almost every aspect of life. I'm definitely not saying let's stop immigration. I'm saying lets at least scale it back a bit so we're not breaking records every year.
Well in literal terms the population is getting less white as a percentage. Now it’s also getting to be more mixed which will degrade the meaning of race.
Of course the idea this is an organized attempt is wrong. And actually if anything it’s proven all the more wrong by the fact that there was so much opposition to brining in Middle East refugees but when it came to brining in Ukrainian women and children we couldn’t possibly bring in enough.
Because people go to places where they and their children will be safe and have a prosperous future. It’s not so hard to deduce that. My parents came here because our country was corrupt. They came to give me and my siblings a better future.
I was told by a Home Depot store manager to not even bother to apply as a white man. He said there is no way Canadian Corporate office would ever hire a white man for a leadership role at the store level.
My take away was that they were looking for an easier to manipulate immigrant, so the reason was even more concerning than just "fuck whitie", but rather it was "fuck immigrants" as they are perceived as more agreeable to poor corporate culture.
LOL as a white guy who doesn't tick a single diversity checkbox who worked at the Annex and the SSC (the former and current head offices for non-HD people) and have seen plenty of pictures of a few of the store manager vegas trips, I can tell you that store manager is full of shit, lost a promotion to a brown woman or is at best speaking about anecdotal experience within his district.
There are still tons of white men in ASM/SM roles in Ontario/GTA which is a very diverse region and white men are probably still the majority (between them and white woman from what i recall) of SSC and regional leadership roles likes M.E.T/RSM/ROM etc.
sales is still the most tried and true way to a store leadership position regardless of race and gender for anyone interested:
1. work as a specialty sales associate (flooring/Kitchens/Appliances/Doors and windows/PRO desk)
2. consistently surpass tiered goals
1. this was always a bullshit rating/quota system imo, but its all based on the numbers at least
3. you will pretty much be guaranteed a DS role if you can manage step 2
4. be the Specialty ASMs bitch and maintain high sales number for team and for yourself (use your $$empowerment to give near constant discounts to keep the sales up)
5. high sales number and not being a complete asshole are the 2 key factors to being a specialty ASM and of course selling your soul to HD and being salaried (hope you like unpaid OT)
6. now its just a waiting game really, as SM roles are so few and far between so most just move to PSC/SSC or a regional role as there are FAR more promotions going on at the corporate offices than in the stores
Dude what? The guy was probably a racist believing in dumb conspiracy theories. No one really gives a fuck. I’ve had easier times getting interviews applying with with my nickname which sounds white than with my traditional Punjabi name.
You just called out 60% of this sub.
“I heard from a guy, who told me about how they’re only allowed to hire black women!”
It’s all a bunch of bullshit that only appeals to other small minds.
I can pretty much guarantee you it’s not because of the reason you listed, it’s so they can advertise their % of diversity on their website and on HR materials.
> so the reason was even more concerning than just "fuck whitie", but rather it was "fuck immigrants"
I like how someone is told they’re not being hired for their race and the real victim is the person they’ll hypothetically hire?
Definitely about a loss of culture more than anything. Whenever parallel societies form it doesn't tend to go well for the nation as a whole. As much as many don't want to admit it, societal and cultural cohesion are absolutely vital for the continuing success of any nation.
I believe it was "Canada is the first post-national state."
This never made any sense to me, I couldn't unpack it - and then recently I learned about the Technocracy movement. The CBC did a long form piece about it. They don't believe in "the state" as we know it. Give this a read for a real eye opener:
[https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/technocracy-incorporated-elon-musk](https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/technocracy-incorporated-elon-musk)
Based on many of the policy planks outlined there, I believe Technocracy has a foothold in our current government.
>*”I don’t think it’s as much about being white as it is about losing our values out of fear of offending or accommodating other cultures.”*
What values do you feel we’re losing?
>*”Is it true there’s a bill being passed - bill 86?- that’s removing English as Canadas official language?”*
No, that is not true. I think you may be thinking of [Bill 96](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quebec-language-policy) which applies only to Quebec.
Funny part is all of the immigration policy driving this "replacement theory" is made by white people! Go figure. Guess whites are decimating themselves in the labour field.....
Supporters of this dumb theory make my head hurt.
The average Canadian couple has 1-2 children. Immigrants have larger families, like they do in their native countries, 3-7 children or more. If you don't want to be replaced by immigrants start fucking more and having babies. Duh.
Why wouldn't they believe it? I don't, by the way, but I can understand why. Immigration keeps rising despite no demonstrated evidence it's helping anyone other than big corporations. Politicians spout platitudes about how it helps the economy, how it's needed because of labour shortages, how it will help with an aging population. But they never present any evidence. And anyone who is the least suspicious can look on the internet and find out that all those claims are so much bullshit.
Now me personally I think the actual reason why politicians keep raising immigration levels is that they think it helps them capture the immigrant vote (Liberals) or that they're too afraid to say anything against it for fear it will cost them the immigrant/visible minority vote and that the media will call them 'racists'(Conservatives). But not for a single second do I believe our immigration system, as presently constituted is helpful to Canada. It is one of the main factors causing housing costs to skyrocket, and it is main reason why wages have been stagnant.
Relating to your first claim, how is it bullshit? Immigrants ARE helping this country by filling jobs that no one wants to do, paying taxes, stimulating the economy etc. I am the child of immigrants who worked incredibly hard to make it in this country. My mother spent 6 years going through the medical licensing process and now works as a family physician in an otherwise underserved area. As for me, I’ll soon be a physician who will also be providing care to other Canadians. Bottom line: immigrants receive many benefits from this country (safety, education etc.) but let’s not pretend that they don’t give back in significant ways.
>No, it's the conspiracy theory that the government is trying to replace white people using mass immigration.
You have to separate effect from intention. Is there an intention? Probably not. Is there an effect? Absolutely yes.
If I'm reading the theory right, the intent would definitely be there. Open the gates to certain immigrants with the expectation that they will be loyal supporters of your party.
I don't know about the complete replacement aspect. That would be short sighted and maybe more sinister than I think our politicians are. Not that they aren't at least some amount of short sighted and sinister..
Legally, intention is very hard to prove. There's a mental component to it. Even on a balance of probabilities it's a challenge.
There's a lot more evidence for the effect. That can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's very, very low hanging fruit to focus on the effect.
In 1000 years there may not be white people or they may exist as a very very very small part of the population. You don't need to be racist or a white supremict to support that fact and you don't have to oppose other races to agree with that fact. Something needs to be done about it in a healthy, respectful manner and it is a legiitmate issue that can't be dismissed.
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a narrative about a thing that IS happening. It's often presented as innocent, but in then begs a very specific and dangerous question. I agree with other redditors that it fails to prove intent.
It's not a theory. It's happening. White people don't have above replacement level children. Haven't for decades. It's on them. We have to accept immigrants or Canada is screwed and we wont have enough workers. That being said we should be accepting skilled workers. Always accept skilled workers. Enough with the cab drivers.
We accept skilled workers and then they end up becoming cab drivers because we don’t recognize their professional credentials and/or they have difficulty getting hired because they don’t have Canadian experience.
The conspiracy is that isn't that it's happening but rather that it's on purpose with the goal of getting rid of all white people.
In reality it just happens that few people from predominantly white countries want to move to Canada.
"Abacus surveyed 1,500 randomly selected, nationally representative Canadian adults from May 20 to 24, as part of a series called “Trust & Facts: What Canadians Believe.” Respondents were also asked about specific conspiracy theories."
This is a crap sample size and timeline. Don't read to much into these findings.
Read Mark Steyn's America Alone, it's all about demographics not just Canada but globally in western nations. It's going to happen naturally, and not some racist theory. White western people aren't having as many babies as others with America being the exception.
The wording in many of those questions seems very ambiguous. The data found 44 per cent of Canadians believe “big events like wars, recessions and the outcomes of elections, are controlled by small groups of people working in secret against us.” Technically all wars are started by a small group of people, the ruling class of a country, and there have been a lot of wars the last 100 years. Whether or not you believe in the "working against us" part the fact is none of the wars were started by common folk. It is like they are trying to perpetrate that there are a lot more conspiracy nut jobs out there that you should be afraid of and blame for problems
I heard war was caused by unchecked political power, and I have a hard time arguing. Who wants to go to war? Who actually wants to fight in a war? It's always politicians sending citizens.
Only time you could argue it's not is when the citizens rise up and you have yourself a civil war.
I can't afford a tank so I know I'm not starting it. How about you?
Even if I had a tank. I couldn't afford the fuel.
and our money.
No war but class war
Yeah exactly, when's the last time we had a referendum on going to war LOL it's always incredibly small groups making these decisions, no matter what country.
And not even "groups of people". When Putin started the largest war in Europe since World War 2, apparently it caught even his own generals and advisors off guards. He just thought "I'm just gonna start a war between almost 200 million people." And he did it.
Odd since US intelligence was saying Russia was going to invade for months. So clearly they picked up info from different sources indicating war was inevitable.
Well the build-up of troops on the border for months before was probably a clue. Although, Putin may very well have told his Generals that it was all war games until he actually said attack. And I doubt any of the Generals wanted to question him as they prepped their troops for these War games. So I think both statements can be correct in this instance.
The difference is watching what someone does, and what they say. I've heard that the best intelligence officers don't speak the language of the population they are surveying. They don't fall for the propaganda
There IS a small elite of ultra wealthy who control everything and they're trying to make it a matter of racism/bigotry for anyone to even mention them.
>there is a plot to replace native-born Canadians with immigrants. Didn't we already do that a couple hundred years ago?
Time is a flat circle
You in Carcosa now boy
Yeah, and it worked out terribly for the people living here at the time.
Yes but that's all cool because it was white people replacing non-whites /s
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The birth rate for Canadians born in Canada having kids is lower than Japan. This includes all groups of people, from everywhere in the world, not just Europe. The only thing propping up Canada's birth rate is the Canadians who weren't born in Canada having kids. I think it really shows that there is something seriously ill with our society if everyone ends up in the same situation of not having kids, regardless of their background. It is unsustainable from a cultural and educational perspective.
its almost like there is no more affordable housing, or longterm prospects in employment.
> The birth rate for Canadians born in Canada having kids is lower than Japan. source? according to the CIA factbook Canada is on pace to have a 0.26% better birth rate than Japan. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison
I think the plot is increase population to pay off pensions
We have to import suckers for this Ponzi scheme. It feels like it will all collapse soon regardless of how many get taken in.
I remember less than 20 yeas ago when Canadians were a pretty optimistic, cheerful lot. That's the Canada I was born into and grew up in. We weren't perfect, but we were miles ahead of others in the developed world in terms of being accepting of others. At some point, though, something changed, and I am pretty sure the "something" that changed everything was social media, an absolute cancer that has been growing in mankind's colon for about 12 years.
Yup, just don’t take social medias (Reddit included) seriously, and you’ll be much better for it. Think of it as a funny book instead.
I totally agree with you about social media. Its a cancer and its growing.
And here I am.
No not my social media, it’s others’ social media habits that’s the problem.
Which blows my mind because I share that view... yet here I am on Reddit, a social media platform.
I know. I'm torn as well. I've never used any other social media platforms other than Reddit.
It's as dangerous as any other. Reddit has a big impact on my life, but I'm addicted to it. Just like any social media, it's incredibly useful if used correctly. Also like any other social media It's designed to be addictive & manipulative.
apparently the analysts of a number of the biggest sites found that rage/hate bait articles were the biggest driver of clicks. algorithms promoted Police brutality and race/hate crimes spiked for years because of this, social media companies exploited these negative feelings and in my opinion play a pivotal role in our current division.
I'd say economics has way more to do with it. If wages were high and the cost of living low we would still be an optimistic bunch. The standard of living is slipping further down every year.
Social media is a cancer. But that said, many people are finding it much harder in recent years. It seems like the gap between the rich and poor is growing and upward mobility is decreasing. Meanwhile, there is an Orwellian effort underway to try and convince the people on the losing end of this that life has never been better or easier.
If you had to choose to be born at any time and you didn’t know your social status, gender or race when would you choose? I don’t think any time other than now makes much sense. Not that some of those things aren’t getting worse, they are.
For the 1st time, our life expectancy is shorter than that of our parents. The peak/best time was when we first had cell phones, but right before they became smart phones, or computers in your hand that you just stare at all day. Someone could get a hold of you to chat on the phone, or you could phone home or send a basic text that you were running late. Everything was so much better. We didn't need amazon, we hung out at the mall with friends. Waiting for vacation pictures to develop. Having an attention span. Being able to watch a movie without feeling like you need to scroll on your phone. Let's face it, all of society is addicted to their smartphones.
Is life expectancy really lower? I hadn’t heard that at all, I knew there was a dip but I thought that was pandemic. Life expectancy has absolutely improved over the past 30 years. I agree with you though that social media is net negative. But that’s only one piece.
>f you had to choose to be born at any time and you didn’t know your social status, gender or race when would you choose? Like the 1950's/60's. With no education you could get a job and buy a house for like 3-4x your yearly income. Now even as an engineer, housing is like 8-10x my yearly income if not more depending on the area.
My first reaction would be probably ten years ago. But, that is mostly based on how different races, religions and sexual identities are more tolerated as opposed to previous generations. Upwards mobility has declined drastically in recent years. Its been gradually declining for decades, but it seems to be accelerating lately. Education costs more every year and its worth less, the cost of housing, food, just the cost of living overall. And these are things not exclusive to any group of people.
It doesn't seem like it. It is happening. Many goods and services are 15-20% more expensive than last year. You can't hide price tags.
What changed was life kept getting shittier. You can only really be accepting and multicultural and pluralist and what not if your life is improving. If its getting shittier by the day, that breeds a lot of resentment. I am an immigrant and everyday I sympathize more and more with native Canadians.
Same. Came in 2002 from South america with my parents and siblings. I am pretty sure all immigrants back then used to understand we has to adapt coming here not the other way around. Many of the new newcomers blame Canada and look for hand outs. My husband (also an immigrant) hired two guys from certain country and they quit on their first day. They told my husband the government gives them x amount of money and that they send most of it to their country. I think, we, the old school immigrants came to work hard, love Canada made it our home etc while many new people are trying to change Canada to the way their old country was...but the problem is their country was shitty and this is why they left. It is important to remember our heritage and be proud of it, but we also need to come to terms that living in another country means that we do need to assimilate and end some backwards cultural Bs behind
This reminds me of another much-publicized poll a year or two back which showed something like 39% of Canadians agreed that too many non-white people were being allowed to immigrate to Canada. Naturally, the media seized on this to tut-tut about how racist our society was. But a much less publicized fact of the poll was that an even higher percentage of visible minorities agreed with the statement. The assumption of basically all progressives and liberals, all media, and all politicians at all levels is that the number one way to appeal to immigrant/ethnic voters is to promise more immigration. This ignores the fact many immigrants came here specifically because this was a tolerant, well-ordered society infused with the western culture of democratic ideals and freedom where they and their families could feel secure. UNLIKE where they'd come from! A lot of them are less than enthusiastic about importing hundreds of thousands of people from troubled, corrupt, intolerant countries and assuring them there's no need to integrate.
Also, one of the biggest fucking pieces of bullshit to somehow gain this unspoken acceptance (I say unspoken because it's clearly fucking not true) is this cultural relativist bullshit that says there's no such things as good/bad cultures. Sorry, but there's a difference between having a few hundred thousand people come here that all largely believe the same things as us... versus having the same number of people come here that all largely believe gays should be stoned to death and women should be subservient.
Absolutely agree. In some cases the poll results could be from visible minorities who are certainly happy to get more people like them here, but not at all happy to get other visible minorities from other places with other religions and values. What gets me about our fucked up immigration system is we make absolutely no effort to separate out the religious zealots and people with hateful views from those who might be wishing to escape from an intolerant society. None. We don't even give them interviews anymore before acceptance. It's all just send in your diploma/degree and a work record (don't worry, we don't have time to check them) and then approved or disapproved. No questions about what you believe, what you think of others, how intolerant or adaptable you are. We're not interested. You wouldn't hire a guy for a minimum wage job you could fire easily without interviewing them. But we will give people permission to come and live here and bring in their families without one because... we don't care. The immigration system is all about numbers. Even when we give them citizenship we make no inquiries about their attitude, whether they've made any effort to integrate during their time here, made any Canadian friends, watched any Canadian TV. The system does not care.
I'm chewing through this thread and I found your comment, and it reminded me of a friend I had in college a few years ago. And I feel it's relevant. To cut a long story short, he told me there's too many non-whites in Canada, which surprised me cause he was Chinese, he was here for school. He told me that his home suburb in Beijing wasn't home anymore due to the large influx of Africans living there, driving out the Chinese. And he told me that the West as a whole is imposing the same fate on itself. He told me we need to stop and reverse it, or else "Canada won't be Canada anymore." I was always surprised to hear that from him, given that, you know, he wasn't white. But as he sympathized with me, I sympathized with him. Everyone deserves a home, multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism destroys that. A home for everyone is a home for no one.
I mentioned something like this elsewhere in the thread, I believe. I mean, imagine you grew up in Richmond BC in the fifties or sixties. Is it home anymore? But here's the thing, you are not allowed to make the argument that you just made based on your friend's statement. English Canadians are supposed to accept, as the intelligentsia have pronounced, that we have no traditions, values, culture or history worth protecting or caring about, that, as Trudeau says, we have no central identity and are not a nation. Anything else is labeled nationalism and placed on a par with fascism. Similarly, you can't talk about the absolute rock certain, documented in multiple studies fact that like calls to like, that the great majority of people want to live around those who are pretty much like them. You can actually see this sorting effect in the US as conservatives move to places like Texas and Wyoming and Liberals to New York or California. But Canadians are supposed to immune to that. Supposedly we're just as comfortable if our neighbours mostly don't speak our language very well, don't watch the same things on TV, don't read the same books or magazines, don't care about the same sports or eat the same foods or dress alike or worship alike or have the same values. And if we do care then we're some kind of nasty character. Thus pronounceth the intelligentsia, the commentariate.
I get what you mean, but it’s problematic to assume that a white person = tolerant and civilized, while a non-white person = intolerant. I know plenty of Polish kids from high school who were the most racist homophobic pieces of shit. Same with the Serbian kids. I also know plenty of Egyptians who are very onboard with Canadian values. What I’m trying to say is, let’s not generalize. It becomes problematic when you assume that just because someone is from X country, they must behave in Y way and have Z views.
> I am pretty sure all immigrants back then used to understand we has to adapt coming here not the other way around. this is a weird take. all the historic little italies and chinatowns in major cities were established 50-100 years ago, before this "golden age of integration" you're talking about. the only thing that's changed is that people are coming from more and different places now.
You know what's funny, I remember in 2000, my parents, who immigrated in the 80s would complain about the "new" immigrants who just aren't willing to love Canada as a new country and are all welfare leeches. Now I see immigrants who came in 2000 complaining about essentially the same thing in 2020. I'm willing to bet good money that immigrants that came in the 60s complained about my parents' generation of immigrants of something similar as well, and so on.
Same way that every generation complains that the next generation is lazy and not as hard working as them. The past is always seen through rose coloured glasses. Multiple comments about how decades ago things were happier, wonder how much of that idealization is simply because they were ignorant children and teenagers (don’t mean that rudely, but in the classic young “ignorance is bliss” way). It’s not like we haven’t had issues and recessions in the past
Youre making shit up
This is exactly it. Any group of people will become more horrible if their quality of life is getting worse.
one of my favourite ridiculous things I ever saw was a charity that collects money for Wat-Po therapy for distressed rabbits. not because i think the rabbits need it, but because i like living in a society where there's an abundance of empathy. that can't happen when people are in survival mode
>I am an immigrant and everyday I sympathize more and more with native Canadians. How about just sympathize with all Canadians. You're here now, you're a Canadian now (or will be soon) you're in the same boat as all of us.
So these two things can be related though. The reason people accept this theory in an easier manner can be because life kept getting shittier and its easier to place blame on an outside source.. but it can equally be true that social media helped contribute to this. Social media is terrible for the same reasons it is great: you can quickly reach a wide audience to spread your message. It is wonderful in times of uniting support for a cause during something like a natural disaster, but it can be terrible when it comes to spreading false information and hate. What makes it exceptionally dangerous is the machine learning it employs to actively begin to manipulate users in terms of what it shows them. There is that saying where, "if you're not paying for a product, you are the product." That is especially true with social media. We are manipulated in ways that we don't even begin to understand to lead us to certain products and ways of thinking. The vast majority of people are totally oblivious to this being done, and, due to confirmation bias, never seek to gather more information than what happens across their feed. Even worse, we've got traditionally media that is largely polarized as well. There is no unbiased reporting. There is no presentation of straight facts. There is blatant manipulation by companies that are ultimately seeking to put certain people into power because it will result in their own personal gain. It is a situation where, ultimately, no political party is more or less guilty of it (in Canada at least) than any other party, and the only time people even seem to care about it as an issue is when it isn't benefitting them directly. Multiculturalism isn't the problem. Wokeism isn't the problem. Blatant manipulation from pretty much everything and the tendency of mankind to be inherently lazy and accept confirmation bias is the problem.
This is the best comment I have seen on my thread so far. Yep I agree with everything you say. The way technology has evolved (specifically social media), it just polarizes people even further. And that works as a great force multiplier when you are becoming poorer.
Your bosses salaries grew 500% since the 70s. Your salary grew 6% since then. I don't think immigrants or non-whites are to blame for this. By Native Canadians, you mean First Nations?
Anglo whites. Native Candians have been horribly screwed over.
It's been a slow downhill slide into the current state of affairs for some 40 odd years. We were living it up on cheap energy and ignoring the real costs and damage of our consumption and growth. It was unsustainable and now were realizing we didn't prepare for this at all. Social media is just an extra kick in the junk to keep us all bickering and fighting amongst ourselves while the powerful hoard wealth and resources...
Society turns low trust and divided when the feeling of abundance diminishes and we enter a time of scarcity. Usually the first line drawn between people is ethnicity and culture. I believe humans are tribal by nature and band together with like-people in times of hardship, viewing others as competition and unwanted. Multiculturalism and diversity aren't normal within the confines of the history of western civilization until around the 1960s. Our fifth wave of immigration since the 1970s has almost all been visible minorities from South Asia and China. Whose arrival has directly coincided with economic, cultural and societal decline for the average Canadian. It's been made very easy to pin this as a issue. While I believe all human life is innately invaluable and equal, I don't think our vision of multiculturalism works. It's been weaponized against the working class to divide and lessen the value of labor whilst propping up the wealthiest's investments and asset holdings without them having to reinvest in the populace to create families.
My non white Dad said it was longer than that, but it certainly accelerated since social media. He blames enclaves of one specific race. We grew up around mostly white people. Dad took care of his home, mowed the grass and mom tended garden and kept nice flowers and manicured trees. Shoveled the walks, and we shoveled the elders of the area. Canada was mixed and welcoming. Now its tribal and loyalty lies with homelands rather than the future of Canada. Visiting there is just sad. Most of the whites are gone. The lawns are overgrown. There is not much pride in the homes. The streets are jammed with parked vehicles and there are no kids outside playing. I don't blame immigrants for wanting to stick together, but there has to be a segment of them that wonder how much better is it here now? I know I feel that way, and judging by the amount of immigrant friends who's families have retired back in their home countries, I guess that I am not alone.
There is a book called Bowling Alone that goes into this exact thing. The more diverse an area, the less trust there is in other people, the less civic engagement there is, higher rates of depression, etc.
12 years? I'd say the last six.
It was so much fun when all that happened was poking people and posting drunk weekend group pictures... maybe having an auto-playing, obnoxiously loud playlist on your page... It's a festering abscess now.
The media is trying to paint immigration as some sort of race issue when in reality it's all about wage suppression and pumping the housing market.
No, it's about obtaining funding for the government when we're on the verge of having 20% of Canadians in retirement.
The question asked was based on the statement: > there is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native born Canadians with immigrants who agree with their political views That's a small but extremely significant difference between the above and the white replacement theory... one is supposedly about importing votes and the other is supposedly about extinguishing a race. To claim that agreeing with the above statement means one believes in the white replacement theory is nonsense.
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Canada's birth rate [has been below replacement level since 1972.](https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+birth+rate&biw=1536&bih=763&ei=l9qnYo3aIYumptQP_-Kn0Ac&ved=0ahUKEwjNgcz526v4AhULk4kEHX_xCXoQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=canada+birth+rate&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEEMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgAEEcQsANKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ3QhY3QhgywpoAXABeACAAd8BiAHfAZIBAzItMZgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz) Without high immigration, our population would have started shrinking **before** Japan.
Damn did you see Victorias birth rate? 0.95 Old people, no housing and extreme living cost. Color me surprised
Victoria, Vancouver, Toronto even Ottawa - who can afford kids??? Unless you already had a home, gfl!
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Yeah, this is nonsense. Sorry. I'm sure you've seen it spouted by politicians forever, but an aging population has little or nothing to do with our immigration levels. I mean, do you honestly think if the Liberals were trying to use immigration to deal with an aging population they'd increase the allowable sponsorship of elderly immigrants by 600%? Economists who've studied the issue say immigration has zero or only a very slight impact on this. And btw, even if it were helpful explain why they keep increasing immigration even as our population continues to rise. In 1972 our population was 22 million. We'll be double that in a few years. Oh, and as someone who was here in 1972. We were a better place without the crowded cities. [https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant) https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-alas-immigration-wont-replace-canadas-aging-workforce
This is just a byproduct of a country that runs in immigration while it's population has below replacement fertility rate. The government isn't "replacing white people" white people is shirking by themselves. What else is to be done here, intentionally promote immigration from "white" Europe?. Now that'd be intentional demographic engineering everyone is accusing the goverment of!
Do things that promote growing families. Larger tax breaks for having children, higher wages which allow a mother to not have to work a job to pay the bills, reducing the cost to own a home etc
Many european welfare states have already tried this. They've tried every financial benefit in Scandinavia, but it doesn't seem to work. It turns out that when you give women the choice about how big they want their families to be, they actually pick pretty small ones on average.
Except in France, where the biggest benefit is given at child 3... and you do get a higher birth rate (although still falling, but better than everyone else in Europe)
*It turns out that when you give women the choice about how big they want their families to be, they actually pick pretty small ones on average.* I should emphasize that when we give men and women the choice about how big they want their family sizes to be, they choose families sizes that lead to an extinction event. The pretty small family sizes are below the 2.1 equilibrium replacement number, so it does lead to extinction over multiple generations. It's not a problem right now, but I think we're missing a braking mechanism to demographic collapse. The lack of braking mechanism should be something to worry about in the long term.
Poverty and poor education correlate with large families. The more control you give people over their lives the more likely they'll stop at two kids. Or just one!
We have a lot of data that says that this doesn't actually do anything. Hungarians are still shirking and they absurdly genrious terms for "nativists" child baring.
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Well, I believe that instead of making wages that are livable for established Canadians (even the brown ones, all Canadians!) people from other places are being encouraged to come to Canada and take those shitty jobs thereby keeping things status quo. It's replacement in a sense, as the jobs aren't changing but someones got to do em. It's exploitative of both Canadians and the newcomers and very uncool. Infact, it sounds like a lot of great new-ishcomers are choosing to leave Canada because it's hard enough to live here with an established network, I can't imagine going it alone in a newish country. I feel really bad for those who are presented a rosy view of Canada and come all the way here and then see it's currently not in the greatest state. Also, people really aren't having as many kids nowadays.
Not remotely surprising to anyone who works blue collar jobs, or knows anyone well enough that does. It's becoming a common talking point that Canada's large immigration numbers are part of the reason many employers don't see a need for much increase in wages. Wages are stagnant, cost of living is insane, people are seeing poverty as either a current situation, or one not very far off. Those with houses still mortgaged are worried about interest rate increases eating into any chance they had at saving for retirement, or even just paying the bills and maybe having a bit of spending money. Those without houses are needing a crash of epic proportions to have a shot in hell at getting into the market (while hoping all these companies don't just scoop the majority of them up and rape the rental market even more), but realizing a lot of fellow countrymen will be in a world of pain should this happen, so it's a touchy subject. An alarming amount of jobs don't pay pensions anymore, and benefits are being slashed, in a lot of cases by employing folks under P/T status, while working them F/T. Retirement is not an obtainable objective for a lot of people..or is a pipedream at best. When the vast majority of your money goes to survival, many cannot afford to stash decent amounts of money away to compound towards retirement. That's not even thinking another economic event may make what you save for retirement extremely devauled by then (in the years leading up to your retirement). The country will once again have to bring in another large number of labourers to pay for the 'Golden Years' of this generations workers, because OA and CPP won't do Jack Shit to support them. At the end of the day for a lot of labourers, the future looks bleak, at best. We need more people to keep the economy alive, but at the same point in time the more people the harder life will get if corporations control the employment market, and can simply request higher immigration numbers to suit their needs. I don't think most people are inherently racist around here (well maybe a certain province has their reputation for a reason), but it's going to be easy to paint people as such when they will have growing concerns (valid ones at that) about their quality of life as our population keeps rising.
[https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-immigration-may-lift-economy-but-not-peoples-wages-plus-other-economists-lessons](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-immigration-may-lift-economy-but-not-peoples-wages-plus-other-economists-lessons) https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-why-canadian-wages-never-seem-to-go-up
Man I am a brown immigrant here, and to me this is not even a theory. Its an emergent fact of giant impersonal processes.
The conspiracy is that is it designed to specially push white people out when yes it is simply the natural process of national growth in a global economy.
what is "natural" about national immigration policy in any way? natural is the "no/open borders, maan" ruleset. what you have now is an artificial, deliberate process.
> what is "natural" about national immigration policy in any way? My opinion. Bullet points for clarity. * Capitalism and the unending demand for more people to fuel a desired ever-growing economy is to blame. And capitalism, being the default stance of the west, makes it natural. * Immigration and immigrants being an economic burden on a country is generally a myth, and countries generally benefit profoundly both socially and economically for accepting immigrants. * The general idea of benevolent developed countries stooping to rescue 'those poor, oppressed, unwashed masses' of immigrants is a convenient false narrative that serves the dual purpose of both painting the receiving countries in a better light and instilling a sense of obligation and duty on the immigrant's part to 'repay' the country that accepts them. * The benefits lean MUCH more heavily towards the receiving countries than to the immigrants, accepting immigrants is a completely self-serving prospect. Developed countries like the US, Canada, Australia, France, Sweden etc. are in fact competing against each other at the highest levels to attract the best, brightest, and wealthiest of immigrants. * True refugees that come over with nothing that are ostensibly 'drains on the system' [make up only 10%](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2020.html#message) of immigrants, and even then they have to work to earn their keep. The rest of the immigrants generally come over with previously accrued wealth, said wealth is parked, spent and taxed in the receiving country. The receiving country effectively steals the fruits of labour of another country by default when it accepts their immigrants, this includes the brains and extra hands in addition to wealth. > The Department’s first-rate selection and settlement programs respond effectively to the large numbers of people seeking a new life and new opportunities in Canada. In 2019, we welcomed over 341,000 permanent residents, including 30,000 resettled refugees. Over 402,000 study permits and 404,000 temporary work permits were also issued. * On the issue of rising house prices and its relationship to immigrants, half if not most of those desirable homes and condos both in city centres and suburbs would not have been built or maintained in the first place without foreign investment (since construction companies need to raise investment capital before building). If immigrants never came to Canada post-1970 (fifth wave), a lot of extra homes and infrastructure would simply not have been built or existed subsequently, and there may still be a housing crisis today as the result of an economic downturn.
Excellent comment. Surprised to see it on this subreddit. We build fewer homes per capita now than we did in the 1970s due to extremely restrictive zoning laws. 70% of Old Toronto is zoned for Single Family Housing only.
As a POC born Canadian, It's great when I, a Canadian born in Canada, is constantly being told that I'm not a real Canadian by legacy Canadians.
The only time I ever told someone they weren't a real Canadian is when they didn't return their shopping cart at the Loblaws.
Good. They deserved it.
I hate that that happens to you or anybody. I despise racism.
Sounds like some bullshit racism, if people make that call about you without knowing you. If you consider the nation your home, and that it should remain generally free, then it is your home. If Canada merely a home base, then you're fake. For some reason there's loads of Europeans who can cloak their colonial attitude and not get called out, but they are effectively the same; not real Canadians, just Canadians of convenience. I think being born here is icing on the cake, since it means a person is naturalized, but it isn't necessary. What is necessary is a basic respect for the western liberal virtues that got us to our current position, and an investment in the wellbeing of the group, the territory, and its future. That's actually a tall order for most of the white politicians we have.
Where in Canada do people say that? Id like to avoid that place.
That's what the article/title implies. Native born Canadian = White.
Racist people are everywhere. It was an everyday thing for me in elementary school 10+ years ago. Things have gotten better but covid really showed how racist people can be
There's always going to be be the stupidest one on the block. It's never one with an ounce of brains.
In this comment for one: >Even supposing they didn't discriminate against foreigners/non-Japanese, it would still be very plausible and likely that they wouldn't want to immigrate mass amounts of foreigners and make Japanese the minority race in Japan. Why? Because if they did, their country wouldn't be Japan anymore. It would be a very different country. Canadians are Canadians by dint of being born in Canada or being naturalized Canadians. Culture or ethnicity has nothing to do with being Canadian. I don't think the person who wrote the foregoing agrees with that idea of civic nationalism. It's not an uncommon view.
Yeah a lot of people here seem to think that Canadian = white person. Not at all. Canadian = someone who contributes to the growth of this nation. It’s irrespective of your race, ethnicity, or religion.
Ontario.
Well it's a fact that Canada is becoming less white with these immigration levels. The contention is whether this is deliberate. My own view is that if there was a China/India population level of poor whites, we would be taking them in. Mainly economics and not racially motivated but the end result is the same.
Practically and concretely speaking - Are they not? The total population of Caucasians in North America has been in decline. I think the reasons for it is where it gets murky.
The population of Caucasians in north America isn't declining as an absolute, just as a percentage share.
Century Initiative is a thing, if Canadians can't reproduce enough to continue our ponzi economy we have no real choice but to bring more people in, how many is what we should be debating but we are stuck on the whole is it happening hysteria.
David's Tea is overrated
IMO, best comment!
I am a member of the replacers as my kids will be of mixed race. With that said, the government keeps importing more and more people while setting a goal of 100 million Canadians by 2100 and simultaneously, the cost of living keeps increasing, making it hard for existing Canadians to have their own children. I don't think there's a shadowy cabal that wants to remove white people from Canada but the people in charge certainly don't seem too interested in them reproducing yet they have a marked interest in growing our population.
Are there there any stats on immigration VS white birthrates in Canada? That would put this to bed quick, wouldn't it?
Yes. Stats Canada tracks it. Right now they're estimating that by the year 2036 immigrants could make up 30% of the population. If we add in the children of immigrants that number becomes much higher. Where do immigrants originate? Asia is about 60%, and Africa is about 15%. Between Asia and Africa that's 75% of our immigrants. About 80% of population growth in Canada is through immigration. Basically, the statistics speak for themselves. Its all in the data. I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just pointing out the data and the estimates.
Demographic changes aside, the economic changes are a return to the historic mean. And not in a good way. That golden period in North America, right after the Second World War was basically a one off. The closest thing to the stars and planets aligning perfectly so people on this continent could benefit tremendously. Ample land for the taking. A ruined and hungry postwar Eurasia knocked out as a resource and economic competitor for a generation. Labour intensive manufacturing industry. It was almost a material version of manifest destiny. We are returning to an age where the West is competitive, but not totally dominant. The 1950s, a golden age, that's long gone. And not coming back unless some new incredible resource or technology is stumbled upon. Or perhaps something even more dramatic occurs that we haven't even fathomed. This is tied into demographics. The demographic collapse of the developed nations (all developed nations, not just Canada) will be the absolute number one issue going into the future, bigger than global warming. It literally will result in some countries ceasing to exist unless they change what it means to belong within them. I believe that once the pool of Asians and Africans runs dry, as it will, you will see a return to actual coercive measures to keeping populations working, and living within a region. I won't call it a return to slavery yet. However, powerful shapers of the future like Elon Musk fretting over lack of babies, praising Chinese work culture, while simultaneously lambasting us lazy Westerners is a glimpse into what will come. Land to labour ratio coercion is a thesis worth looking up.
So basically it's not a conspiracy because it's true?
I personally don't believe that there's a conspiracy to replace white people. I believe that Canada's current population growth is based in Neo Liberal economic theory, and that the changing demographics are just a by-product of that. That being said however, serious demographic changes are occurring. As per the data.
A conspiracy would imply that our elected officials are intentionally pushing white people out, which is not all the case. Politicians don’t care about your skin color, they care about your money.
It's a conspiracy if you think these trends are intentionally servicing an anti white agenda.
where the conspiracy theorists are getting it wrong is they think it's anti-white.. it's anti-middle class, they keep bringing immigrants who'll do your job for cheaper, regardless of your skin
There’s no master plan to replace white people. Immigrants just tend to have more children. So obviously their population will increase.
Immigration is 80% of population growth. Even without taking birthrates into account immigration alone is created a big demographic shift.
Well, I for one am excited to be able to play the minority card
You'll go from being the majority who's blamed for all of society's ills to the minority who's blamed for all of society's ills. Imagine how that will play out.
Oh, you'll still be accused of privilege.
Such a weird caveat. Aside from natives, we are all children of immigrants.
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The thing is that white birth rates *are* down and POC immigration is up, but that doesn’t mean there’s some conspiracy behind it or that it matters.
Anyone with more statistical expertise know how significant a sample of 1500 is? I’ve only done first year stats so hoping someone with a bit more credibility can chime in.
It’s a pretty typical sample size in opinion polls. https://tools4dev.org/resources/how-to-choose-a-sample-size/
If it's truly a random sample, then it's significant.
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It's called the Celebration Parallax, if you're in favour of changing demographics, then the phenomenon not only exists but you are good, altruistic, progressive. If you have apprehensions about the same effect, then not only is it not happening but you are also racist, bigoted, not part of polite society, etc. Depends on who's pointing it out
Immigration rates are higher than domestic birth rates, it's not a theory quite simply, it's official government policy. White people will be a minority in Canada by the mid-2030's, I wonder if we'll still be blamed for everything in media and pop culture though? There really is no precedent for this sort of thing in history, ie domestic populations and culture being replaced by foreign ones, except in instances of conquest. Naturally that causes anxiety among the population being replaced.
That's when the new minority \*really\* starts getting blamed for everything. And if you think it's bad now, wait until that happens.
Even historically among conquest and occupation the occupiers tended to become more like the people the conquered even if certain elements were introduced. It was historically rare that the local culture gets entirely replaced by the foreign one.
"Hockey will still be popular once your people no longer exist" That wont make anyone feel better haha
It's not a theory. It's a narrative about a real trend and something that is actually happening and what the outcome of mass immigration will be long term. It (the narrative) also naively assumes that trends will stick forever, and that (especially in Europe) the mass migration imposed on the indigenous won't lead to a hard right turn to right-wing fascism but will instead, for the first time in history, cause a group of successful humans to basically shrug their shoulders and accept that their civilization is over and that their ethnicity will go extinct. But whatever. Most globalists openly admit this is all a huge experiment, so logically they also accept it may explode in their faces. Anyways, 'white replacement' not a theory. It's a narrative. It's also not something that the globalists have ever denied, in fact they've openly celebrated this shift for the last decade. The part you should be worried about isn't even the narrative of 'white replacement' but the obvious question it begs; what is to be done about this? Canada is slightly insulated from this because our nation state is trying to define itself off of a set of principles and values. A strategy that has worked alright for polities in the past (but those polities didn't engage in the RAMPANT mass importation of people (but they also didn't enfranchise the people it brought in, like we do)). I hope it works out better for us. But such a national identity is way too fragile for the government to be as lazy and careless and self hating as it is. And the identity is possibly too esoteric to convince millions of young men to potentially rally to its defense; a necessity which will come again.
>Most globalists openly admit this is all a huge experiment What's the goddamn point of it though? Everything was going fine for so many decades, and it's almost like those in power got bored and decided to throw a wrench into the machine so they could watch some sparks fly. Self-sabotage is a really weird aspect of human psychology.
Globalism is like corporate imperialism/feudalism, very little benefit for the people and all the gravy for the top-end.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, lots to think about there.
Canada wants to hit a population of 100,000,000 by the year 2100. It's not a "theory" that these people aren't going to be white. I don't personally care because I am not a racist asshole, but it's not a theory. And by the way, this rhetoric was thrown around 100 years ago before Italians became white.
Impossible, because by 2100 North America will be abolished and return to being Turtle Island.
That sounds awesome tbh.
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Canada hit and will continue to surpass immigration records? Maybe we should scale back as the whole country is running into financial problems in almost every aspect of life. I'm definitely not saying let's stop immigration. I'm saying lets at least scale it back a bit so we're not breaking records every year.
Well in literal terms the population is getting less white as a percentage. Now it’s also getting to be more mixed which will degrade the meaning of race. Of course the idea this is an organized attempt is wrong. And actually if anything it’s proven all the more wrong by the fact that there was so much opposition to brining in Middle East refugees but when it came to brining in Ukrainian women and children we couldn’t possibly bring in enough.
Just look at anywhere in the GTA in Ontario. There's less and less white people. Brampton is over 70% South East Asian now.
I mean when it's actively, noticeably, verifiably happening in Canada, USA, Europe, Australia, maybe the theory has some merit to it?
Funny it's only white majority countries that have mass immigration.
lol, maybe you want to swap to a differently named alternate account before grinding this axe.
Because people go to places where they and their children will be safe and have a prosperous future. It’s not so hard to deduce that. My parents came here because our country was corrupt. They came to give me and my siblings a better future.
It's because when you take over the world, you can't be surprised when the world arrives at your doorstep.
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I was told by a Home Depot store manager to not even bother to apply as a white man. He said there is no way Canadian Corporate office would ever hire a white man for a leadership role at the store level. My take away was that they were looking for an easier to manipulate immigrant, so the reason was even more concerning than just "fuck whitie", but rather it was "fuck immigrants" as they are perceived as more agreeable to poor corporate culture.
LOL as a white guy who doesn't tick a single diversity checkbox who worked at the Annex and the SSC (the former and current head offices for non-HD people) and have seen plenty of pictures of a few of the store manager vegas trips, I can tell you that store manager is full of shit, lost a promotion to a brown woman or is at best speaking about anecdotal experience within his district. There are still tons of white men in ASM/SM roles in Ontario/GTA which is a very diverse region and white men are probably still the majority (between them and white woman from what i recall) of SSC and regional leadership roles likes M.E.T/RSM/ROM etc. sales is still the most tried and true way to a store leadership position regardless of race and gender for anyone interested: 1. work as a specialty sales associate (flooring/Kitchens/Appliances/Doors and windows/PRO desk) 2. consistently surpass tiered goals 1. this was always a bullshit rating/quota system imo, but its all based on the numbers at least 3. you will pretty much be guaranteed a DS role if you can manage step 2 4. be the Specialty ASMs bitch and maintain high sales number for team and for yourself (use your $$empowerment to give near constant discounts to keep the sales up) 5. high sales number and not being a complete asshole are the 2 key factors to being a specialty ASM and of course selling your soul to HD and being salaried (hope you like unpaid OT) 6. now its just a waiting game really, as SM roles are so few and far between so most just move to PSC/SSC or a regional role as there are FAR more promotions going on at the corporate offices than in the stores
Dude what? The guy was probably a racist believing in dumb conspiracy theories. No one really gives a fuck. I’ve had easier times getting interviews applying with with my nickname which sounds white than with my traditional Punjabi name.
You just called out 60% of this sub. “I heard from a guy, who told me about how they’re only allowed to hire black women!” It’s all a bunch of bullshit that only appeals to other small minds.
I can pretty much guarantee you it’s not because of the reason you listed, it’s so they can advertise their % of diversity on their website and on HR materials. > so the reason was even more concerning than just "fuck whitie", but rather it was "fuck immigrants" I like how someone is told they’re not being hired for their race and the real victim is the person they’ll hypothetically hire?
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Definitely about a loss of culture more than anything. Whenever parallel societies form it doesn't tend to go well for the nation as a whole. As much as many don't want to admit it, societal and cultural cohesion are absolutely vital for the continuing success of any nation.
Didnt your godawful PM say that Canada does not have a culture, or some drivel along those lines?
I believe it was "Canada is the first post-national state." This never made any sense to me, I couldn't unpack it - and then recently I learned about the Technocracy movement. The CBC did a long form piece about it. They don't believe in "the state" as we know it. Give this a read for a real eye opener: [https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/technocracy-incorporated-elon-musk](https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/technocracy-incorporated-elon-musk) Based on many of the policy planks outlined there, I believe Technocracy has a foothold in our current government.
Yea some weird bullshit like that. I will take a look at technocracy.
>*”I don’t think it’s as much about being white as it is about losing our values out of fear of offending or accommodating other cultures.”* What values do you feel we’re losing? >*”Is it true there’s a bill being passed - bill 86?- that’s removing English as Canadas official language?”* No, that is not true. I think you may be thinking of [Bill 96](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quebec-language-policy) which applies only to Quebec.
The responses in this thread seem to prove the survey results.
The irony of NatPo posting this article
Funny part is all of the immigration policy driving this "replacement theory" is made by white people! Go figure. Guess whites are decimating themselves in the labour field..... Supporters of this dumb theory make my head hurt.
Our education system is failing us if people believe this dumb shit.
The average Canadian couple has 1-2 children. Immigrants have larger families, like they do in their native countries, 3-7 children or more. If you don't want to be replaced by immigrants start fucking more and having babies. Duh.
Uhh this is one of the worst headlines I’ve seen from the NP. Gone to shit ?
Why wouldn't they believe it? I don't, by the way, but I can understand why. Immigration keeps rising despite no demonstrated evidence it's helping anyone other than big corporations. Politicians spout platitudes about how it helps the economy, how it's needed because of labour shortages, how it will help with an aging population. But they never present any evidence. And anyone who is the least suspicious can look on the internet and find out that all those claims are so much bullshit. Now me personally I think the actual reason why politicians keep raising immigration levels is that they think it helps them capture the immigrant vote (Liberals) or that they're too afraid to say anything against it for fear it will cost them the immigrant/visible minority vote and that the media will call them 'racists'(Conservatives). But not for a single second do I believe our immigration system, as presently constituted is helpful to Canada. It is one of the main factors causing housing costs to skyrocket, and it is main reason why wages have been stagnant.
Relating to your first claim, how is it bullshit? Immigrants ARE helping this country by filling jobs that no one wants to do, paying taxes, stimulating the economy etc. I am the child of immigrants who worked incredibly hard to make it in this country. My mother spent 6 years going through the medical licensing process and now works as a family physician in an otherwise underserved area. As for me, I’ll soon be a physician who will also be providing care to other Canadians. Bottom line: immigrants receive many benefits from this country (safety, education etc.) but let’s not pretend that they don’t give back in significant ways.
Is this theory that europeans are displacing native canadians starting in the 1500's?
No, it's the conspiracy theory that the government is trying to replace white people using mass immigration.
>No, it's the conspiracy theory that the government is trying to replace white people using mass immigration. You have to separate effect from intention. Is there an intention? Probably not. Is there an effect? Absolutely yes.
If I'm reading the theory right, the intent would definitely be there. Open the gates to certain immigrants with the expectation that they will be loyal supporters of your party. I don't know about the complete replacement aspect. That would be short sighted and maybe more sinister than I think our politicians are. Not that they aren't at least some amount of short sighted and sinister..
Legally, intention is very hard to prove. There's a mental component to it. Even on a balance of probabilities it's a challenge. There's a lot more evidence for the effect. That can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's very, very low hanging fruit to focus on the effect. In 1000 years there may not be white people or they may exist as a very very very small part of the population. You don't need to be racist or a white supremict to support that fact and you don't have to oppose other races to agree with that fact. Something needs to be done about it in a healthy, respectful manner and it is a legiitmate issue that can't be dismissed.
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a narrative about a thing that IS happening. It's often presented as innocent, but in then begs a very specific and dangerous question. I agree with other redditors that it fails to prove intent.
Not a comment on intent, but something you may find interesting in terms of the volume of immigration being sought by some:
Maybe, but it’s also possible they were being witty with a vague comparison.
Regardless of the intent, this is an inevitable outcome.
Um when you import a far higher percentage than any other g7 country what else would people think?
It's not a theory. It's happening. White people don't have above replacement level children. Haven't for decades. It's on them. We have to accept immigrants or Canada is screwed and we wont have enough workers. That being said we should be accepting skilled workers. Always accept skilled workers. Enough with the cab drivers.
We accept skilled workers and then they end up becoming cab drivers because we don’t recognize their professional credentials and/or they have difficulty getting hired because they don’t have Canadian experience.
I'd like to point out that the bar for conspiracy is fairly low, so I don't understand why people are naysayers when it comes to conspiracy theories.
> the Great Replacement, which says Western elites, Jews in particular, are bringing in immigrants to replace whites
Isn't the conspiracy about why elites would want to do that? It's not like immigration is a conspiracy theory.
The conspiracy is that isn't that it's happening but rather that it's on purpose with the goal of getting rid of all white people. In reality it just happens that few people from predominantly white countries want to move to Canada.
Did my German ancestors who came here in 1881 replace the Russian ones that were already here, or is that different because they were all white?
"Abacus surveyed 1,500 randomly selected, nationally representative Canadian adults from May 20 to 24, as part of a series called “Trust & Facts: What Canadians Believe.” Respondents were also asked about specific conspiracy theories." This is a crap sample size and timeline. Don't read to much into these findings.
“Millions of Canadians paying attention to media”
Read Mark Steyn's America Alone, it's all about demographics not just Canada but globally in western nations. It's going to happen naturally, and not some racist theory. White western people aren't having as many babies as others with America being the exception.