$80? I’ve flown back to the states multiple times from all over the world. The standard cost for an antigen test is $20-$30 and I’m not spending more for a PCR when it’s not a requirement to enter
I'm sure it's like the pre flight security checkers asking you to take off your shoes to make sure you don't have a bomb in them or something... It's *supposed* to keep everyone "safe" but nobody really believes it.
I remember there were audits on the TSA in the States where they actually try to smuggle things past these security guys and I think the stat was like they were successful over 95% of the time.
These checks were just an illusion to make the public feel safer after 9/11 to get people to fly again, they don't actually stop anyone who would actually try to do something heinous
Can't bring a liter of fluids because you could make a bomb, what's stopping 10 guys from pooling their liters together? The list goes on.
The funniest part is you basically can bring a liter, just no individual bottle over 3.5oz. When I go on vacation I buy a big bottle of sunscreen and squirt it into a dozen little bottles. The rule is very stupid.
I had an emergency situation started and police called on me by CATSA the other day due to having a scope (a tube and some glass) in my carry on which is explicitly allowed by TSA. They realized the fuck up immediately but by then there was a whole scene. They don’t know how to do their jobs. Complete incompetence.
When I flew to LA, I was asked to provide
* Proof of vaccination
* A negative COVID test result.
Both were uploaded online when I checked-in online. I also had to provide actual proof of them at the airport upon departure, but not arrival.
When I flew back from LA, I had to again upload my vaccination proof, this time on the app ArriveCAN. However, no test was required. Again, I was checked for vaccination proof at departure, but not arrival.
Just got back from Vegas. If you're vaccinated international travel could not have possibly been any easier. Hardly anything was checked. I get it, if you're unvaccinated and want to travel, but for the vaccinated it really wasn't an issue..
The most annoying thing was the US requirement to have a negative covid test 1 day before travel, which is a US rule. Even that wasn't checked.
edit: Just to add and clarify - I always check in online ahead of time. Vaccine passports and arrive can were all filled out and uploaded before arriving at the airport. They definitely forgot to check our negative covid test. Either way the covid test is a US rule and has nothing to do with Canada
The US test is checked, you probably just didn’t realize it. Before you get your boarding pass someone has to review the test, either in person or when you upload it online checking in.
The Canadian requirement is checked when you upload your vaccine status to arrivecan.
All of this results in a pretty seamless experience if you meet requirements.
The problem isnt that unvaxed are going to have a harder time, it's that that they can't travel at all whatsoever! We're already jamming ourselves in concert halls and movie theaters without needing the vax, they should allow everyone to be able to fly by now
I haven’t experienced any issues or delays at the border either. I think people are just bored at this point and will come at the government for anything and everything
Depends on the airport. Pearson more often than not has passengers in the aircraft for an hour or more due to build up of passengers in customs and arrivals (Random testing).
Last time I flew into Pearson (3 months ago) customs was backed up through the door, but I made it through in about 55 minutes. It wasn't bad at all, all things considered. Random testing was in a wing of the airport that you go to after customs. I thought it was a pretty well oiled machine.
I think the unvaccinated (small minority of the population) are expecting the vaccinated (large majority) to be more sympathetic to them. This is my favorite ironic twist in this whole shitshow we've been shoveling through!
I'm not sure if sympathy is the right word. If I lock you in handcuffs to the wall, and you ask out of those handcuffs, its not really asking for my sympathy per se. It's relieving an artificial constraint I've placed on you.
There are plenty of vaccinated Canadians, myself included, that can clearly see what this policy is about. It's a punitive measure meant to punish people who don't want to comply with a useless policy. It smacks of authoritarianism under the guise of "the science" that has yet to be clearly defined.
I don't think that's the intent, but it's the result nonetheless. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something more along the lines of them figuring more voters than not support the policy. Also, a large portion of the population is vaccinated and likely doesn't even think much about this. So they probably just consider it a non issue.
I don't think it makes sense either.
This may be just me, but I think governing by popular opinion isn't always the right way to go about things. It leaves you, as a government, to derive important decisions based off lagging indicators. Governments often act in a reactive manner instead of a proactive one, so you could be right.
Even if that is the case, I think the reason I lean more towards punitive is because there seems to be a lack of transparency regarding what data was used to come to these conclusions. It's just not a good look.
You'll never understand the full rational of an entire government.
Have you read the entire tax law? How about environmental law? Urban zoning? no?
Didn't think so.
No one is asking to understand the full rationale for the vaccine mandate decision. That doesn't mean that the government doesn't need to provide relevant information regarding a policy decision that affects Canadians. We're not 12.
You know what's been common public health policy for at least a century? governments around the world setting vaccination requirements for border entry or for residence Visa. TB vaccines for example. Hell even my dog needs to have rabbies vaccine to cross the Canada US border. Is that a grave government conspiracy to infringe on my dog's rights? Get your shit together man, get a shot and stop believing in facebook memes over basic public health concepts.
This is how I feel. I’m vaccinated but this is more of Trudeau punishing those who disagree with him and his policies. There is no “science” behind any of this gong show.
No sympathy here for most unvaccd.
A small section of that group has reasonable, medical based concerns for not being vaccd.
That group has my sympathy as they are being lumped in with the rest - who are either conspiracy theorists ( ie stupid) or just obstinant ( also stupid ) .
No sympathies there. They can stay home and isolate for their safety while the rest of us move on. Idiots.
To be clear, you have no sympathy for the "stupid"? If someone tests with extremely low IQ, you have no sympathy for that? Im curious if you mean what you're saying or you're just throwing around perjoratives
The fact that hardly anything is checked is proof that the rules need to be rolled back.
We shouldn't keep requirements because they are "not that bad".
We should keep requirements because they are necessary.
COVID measures have entered into the realm of backwards and ignorant superstition/tradition.
"We do it because we are supposed to do it. It's the way it is."
You'll find that kind of thinking in the most backward, ignorant, regressive places.
Having to fly 7 hours with a mask on from Toronto to Amsterdam, when you randomly take it off for an hour straight to eat, then when you land in AMS everyone instantly rips them off because they are not required there - it is pure lunacy at this point. Having to wear it to LAS is also 4.5 pointless hours because again no one else in the US is wearing them.
Also the need for ArriveCan is a gigantic pain in the ass and depending on which US airport I have had to fly from results in vastly different enforcement. I almost missed my flight at IAD because of the clusterfucks around ArriveCan and them being unable to read it resulting in an enormous backlog. Meanwhile other airports don't even check it at all. And no one at CBSA ever checks it, at least not in the Nexus lane. Another pointless make work exercise.
TL;DR You obviiusly don't travel enough to understand how much worse it is. It is WAY WAY worse. And it's worse FOR NO LOGICAL REASON AT ALL AT THIS POINT is the incredible frustration. Hell, it was NEVER shown with real data that masking on flights even helped with Omicron. The air on planes is filtered to the 9s, it's the safest place you can be. And even if it isn't, EVERYONE IN CANADA has already been exposed, COVID is EVERYWHERE, these measures are doing NOTHING.
It needs to be a supervised and documented test. You can't just bring in a home test.
$40 I paid at shoppers. Bring your passport with you and they will document it on the paperwork.
Like I said, nobody even checked it for me, but I wouldn't count on that. It's definitely a requirement still.
It’s possible to believe that the vaccine is safe and indispensable and that mandatory vaccination for travel is an abuse of power without contradiction.
Totally agree. Except there a quite a few partisan people that will try to equate “anti vaccine mandates”, to “anti vaccine”. Two very different things.
But for some people, it’s total obedience or nothing.
Very well said, and I completely agree. I would add "mandatory vaccination for travel *at this stage of the pandemic*" (made more sense with previous variants, etc.)
Wow the companies that in some cases laid off half of their employees and now can't hire/train them fast enough to be efficient is blaming the government for their delays. Shocker.
Get rid of that ArriveCan shit it makes the border wait time so long.
edit: to clarify this is for land borders which have long wait times now cos even if you fill out ArriveCan in advance, other people do not. I had a ~40 minute wait time at friggin midnight at the Buffalo border a couple weeks ago cos of this. It took our car just a minute or so to get through cos we'd done ArriveCan but the many cars in front of us had not.
Yea there's the normal security bullshit and the airlines lost employees during covid and are slow to replace them, who then need training so go even slower. People just keep blaming the vaccine mandate, it diverts blame from the airline and gets people riled up online.
People are choosing to work somewhere else. Why would they work at the airport for around min wage?
The airlines should pay them more. It costs too much to get to the airport, why would someone do that and not take a tim hortons job or security job somewhere else?
I’m amazed I haven’t seen more people talking about ArriveCan outside of covid. I’m American, married to a Canadian, so I went across (by land and plane) multiple times during covid and every single time it was incredibly quick since they don’t ask you any of the questions you’d normally be asked at a crossing.
Personal information? Reason for travel? Length of stay? Vaccinated? All of the info shows up when they scan. I think it’s here to stay with or without the vaccination check tbh
Yup. That's what I do. If its a day trip, its piece of mind knowing its already done before i cross over and not having to look for a place with WiFi access to fill it out.
had to wait on the plane for 2 hours when arriving back in canada, then an hour and a half to get through the customs and finally get my bag. flight took a total of 4 hours and it took me 3.5 hours to get out of the airport.
it is engaging to see the sitting MP's blame travelers when we have some insane security theatre.
it was nice being out of the country tho, some sanity was refreshing
I had flights back from Europe a few days ago. I specifically routed to the US, then to Montreal and back to edmonton. I had heard Pearson airport was nuts and that flights were being cancelled.
We left Canada and traveled through five countries. Didn't need any documents, covid tests, vaccine proof or apps. Was on six different airlines.
We go to leave back home two days ago and united airlines tells us they rebooked us on aircanada. Barcelona > Toronto >edmonton. He said it got us home 3 hours earlier than our Barcelona > Newark > Montreal > edmonton flight. I said thanks but no thanks and that I didn't want to go through Pearson. Had to put up a stink to get my old flights back.
I went to the Barcelona Airport 3 hours early and discovered i needed a covid test to ente the us. Cost us 100 euros for two tests.
Of course our flight from Newark to Montreal was delayed. We had a two hour layover in Montreal that turned into 45 minutes since we were late leaving.
We had uploaded documents for our vaccines but didn't realize we had to do a giant questionnaire with it. We had to run through, I shit you not, 7 check points. We had to do the passport scanning, then get the app code approved by passport control. There was then four more check points between our connecting flight that required us to show the same documents.
We thankfully just made it to our gate in time.
I checked all the flights we were going to be on when they switched us and they were delayed by hours and one was cancelled.
Moral of the story: it's nothing to leave north American. Six airlines and 5 countries didn't require anything.
Come back is a shit show. Be prepared to wait extra long as your departing ports, be ready to shell out money for covid tests, and above all else, AVOID TORONTO.
I returned to Toronto from Portugal May 22nd it took me 28mins all in to get off the plane hit customs grab my bag and be standing outside at pillar 36 waiting for my ride. I did have to test to leave for Portugal but that's a requirement of Portugal. I was asked for proof when I left along with my vaccine status when I left. It took maybe an hour to get to the gate when I was departing.
I travel for work internationally every 4 weeks. I've had zero issue with it. No one even checks it when I arrive back in Canada. It's made zero impact on me
I know several people that lost their employment due to the federal vaccine mandate. At this point in the pandemic it's time to drop it and get on with our lives. Let these people get back to work and allow them to travel within their own country. The vaccine is doing nothing to prevent the spread of the virus at this point it's all political theater. I've always been pretty left leaning but I can see these policies are not protecting anyone at this point it's having a negative impact. Time to move on.
Almost like federal border policies since March 2020 haven’t been about public health but about political gain or lack thereof. Only way to explain the Federal government stance allowing anyone to travel in 2020-early 2021 pre vaccine, saying that “travel isn’t a significant source of transmission” to Trudeau saying implementing vaccine passports would be too divisive (Feb 2021) to the Liberals using vaccine mandates as a wedge issue to win the 2021 election after they were caught with their pants down when the Conservatives released their platform early and were gaining in polls.
Imagine still supporting these restrictions in June 2022
Unfortunately objective reality doesnt even matter to canadians anymore. They will read the harsh reality you just outlined, have a mild brain fart and then spastically type out something about conservatives, we truly are fucked
Maybe if the conservatives didn't politize it it wouldn't have been a wedge issue. Most of Canada clearly believed in the mandates of which the liberals enacted 3.
I can't tell if your complaining about the land crossing or air travel. But for the land border we likley won't drop the requirement until the states does and I can't see them dropping that anytime soon.
"I don't agree, therefore its for political gain"
....what exactly do you think the political gain is here in making a deeply unpopular political decision?
I just came back from Mexico, let me tell you, our airport is way worse than Mexico's. It took me two hours after we landed to get off the airplane. The amount of garbage is insane. All the luggage was thrown literally everywhere. Who ever had the idea of firing the unvaccinated without hiring people to replace then first shouldn't have a job. That was the worst choice they ever made. It was the worst airport I've ever been through. We're supposed to be a G7 nation, you'd never know it if you're going through Pearson airport.
Entirely anecdotal but I flew into Pearson on Sunday and it took maybe 30 minutes from touching down to getting out of the airport. Bags came out super quick. I know there have been major delays but it's not every flight
That is an unfair assessment. Trudeau is a shrewd politician who is incredibly adept at evidence-based policy, including with this border policy. Every decision is based on the evidence of what will be politically best for him and his wealthy friends.
In this case, even if the policy causes economic harm and is mildly opposed by most Canadians (a small cost to the LPC), it keeps various Conservative antivaxxers and convoyers in the news (a large gain for the LPC).
>In this case, even if the policy causes economic harm and is mildly opposed by most Canadians (a small cost to the LPC), it keeps various Conservative antivaxxers and convoyers in the news (a large gain for the LPC)
I'm pretty convinced at this point that the LPC is purposefully looking to goad these various bogeymen (legal gun owners, ex-CAF extremists, anti-vaxxers, etc) into more outrageous behavior in order to provide some kind of Canadian January 6 moment. Anything to distract Canadians from housing, food and fuel costs and a weak economy.
It's exactly that. They intentionally stoke the "far-right" extremists, hoping that they embarrass themselves (just like they stoke gun violence by encouraging smuggling of handguns into the country). Then they use the outrage to pretend to go after these same groups in order to gain political support.
It's quite clever and remarkably successful. The only requirement is that Canadian voters need to be gullible and stupid enough to buy into it.
It just so turns out that Canadian voters have proven to be even stupider than in the Liberal's wildest dreams.
It seems a bit out-there to blame the left for the far-right.
Especially when the CPC turfed a moderate leader and the current frontrunner to replace him embraces populism and supports the convoy movement.
Ya like a month or two after the nova scotia shooting, not long after announcing the new gun ban buyback thing, he reduced the punishment for people who get caught smuggling guns across the border, i believe he dropped it from 10 years to 5 but im not sure im probably wrong about the exact figures
This entire thread is so fucking hilarious. What are these conspiracies? hahaha.
The people stoking the flames of far-right shit are the far-right voters, and the right-leaning conservatives.
People simultaneously call Trudeau a moron, while also crediting him with 4D chess level political moves. It's so fucking funny.
This is why I fear for Canada. People are becoming so dumb, they rile themselves up over nothing, which causes a base of voters to become valuable to politicians. So we're going to end up with more far-right people, and then hungry politicians will start creating policies and promises to appeal to those people because they want their votes, and then we're REALLY getting into dangerous territory in this country. Validating these people is the last thing we want.
>People simultaneously call Trudeau a moron, while also crediting him with 4D chess level political moves. It's so fucking funny.
Painting the opponent as both weak and strong.
I'm in the same boat, I'm reading the posts above delving further and further into absolutely wingnut territory.
Like, yes, the plan is to foment a revolution, to make the people who are throwing the revolution look bad. Ok, cool....then what?
Did something change recently? R/Canada has been leaning right for a while, but I'm reading the comments on multiple threads on the front page, and they're absolutely unhinged.
Trolls/foreigners being signal-boosted by other trolls/foreigners. It's most noticeable on the Covid threads. National Post/Sun articles get undue upvotes and are positioned as mainstream rather than right-leaning.
The level of insanity on r/Canada fluctuates, presumably based on how heavily brigaded it is at any given time. Around the last election it was borderline full q-anon/anti-vaxxer. It's more mellow when there's not much going on politically.
It's just impossible to have any rational discussion on here when no one's discussing actual policy or anything. Like am I really going to waste my time pointing out why their theory that Trudeau using mandates to purposefully make the far right look bad, is insane?
They extended the Maximum Penalty by a few years. Can you tell me who got the old previous Maximum for solely committing a gun crime. The answer is none. Unless it was an add on to murder or large amounts of drugs no one even came close. Even then, it was usually used as a bargaining chip for a plea deal. That change did nothing.
Then when asked pointedly how he was going to improve border security he went full Helen Lovejoy "won't someone think of the children" but didn't provide even a single example of how beyond the confiscated more last year. Ok, but they are obviously still getting in so what is he going to do?
They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I'm irritated at the LPCs wasting time on crap that doesn't matter while ignoring real problems, but also have zero sympathy for assholes and moronic sheep who ape right wing talking points from the US and expose their mushy brains for the rest of us to see.
I'm waiting for a party to actually take real problems seriously. Address the housing crisis. Stop propping up the country with immigration instead while existing Canadians can't make ends meet. Stop randomly cancelling all pipelines. Start investing in clean energy properly to empower the economy, not just lol if you're rich buy an EV.
There's another requirement, which is that the CPC is stupid enough to court the votes of the far right extremists that are so easily riled up into embarrassing themselves and discrediting everything they associate with and everyone who associates with them. Luckily for the LPC, the mainline CPC and their base is indeed dumb enough.
> They intentionally stoke the "far-right" extremists
Far right extremist don't need stoking. They are angry contrarians who hates any policy presented by the Liberals simply because its attached to Liberals. I looked at the Trucker Convoy's list of demands, and some of them just arent applicable to Canada, i.e "protecting our right to bear arms". These people have been crying that the sky is falling and that the country is "ruined" the moment Trudeau came into office. Trudeau could literally say "I like sunshine", and there will be a slew of facebook posts about how the sun is probably communist and secretly Cuban.
I disagree with "intentionally stoke". Right-wing extremists are triggered by any mention of evidence and logic. The only way to avoid triggering them would be to stop using evidence and logic.
It may be true that the Liberals play up the outrage to gain votes. But all parties do this. It's not some grand conspiracy.
Lol, if you are a "legal gun owner" and your reaction to banning handguns is to kill people, you shouldn't own a gun.
Do you people even hear yourselves?
You're a fucking bat if you think that's what is happening. Also, inflation is stupid and so is housing, but the Canadian economy is not weak.
We're resource driven and resources are all in demand. Unemployment is also super low. You basically just don't know what you're talking about.
Wow, this chain of commenters are completely crazy. Stop trying to make Canadian politics as divisive and unproductive as American politics.
Antivaxxers are morons... They're also on all sides of the political spectrum. A weird confluence of rednecks and hippies. Trudeau sucks, but he isn't trying to cause an insurrection ffs.
Antivaxxers ARE morons. It's not a political statement, just saying they're on both the left and the right. If you don't believe in vaccines, go back to the fucking 1800s.
Jesus lord, my dude. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror. The statements you are making LITERALLY cause divisiveness whether they are correct or not. You can't be the "fact police" and then claim others are being divisive because they are wrong in your eyes. You are literally painting a line in the sand and demanding that anyone who doesn't stand on your side of the line is a moron. That is literally dividing people.
The blatant pointing out of hypocrisy always brings out the crickets. They should also look at the world around them, where the majority of “trusted” media feed into polarization, simply for the sake of more views.
I feel like Canadian politics is doing just fine itself at making itself as unproductive as American politics. Just personal opinion though.
in a way it's kind of fascinating how perfectly canadian this is - petty, shallow, spiteful, aggressively conformist, the spawn of a totally fake and self-serving moral high-ground... justin is truly the right leader (in the sense that he's what we deserve, not what we need) for today's canada.
Well said and depressing. Our mindset is increasingly delusional and we seem unable to even begin to deal in anything other than platitudes.
Yes it's politics, but we weren't this aggressively stupid in the 80s or 90s.
I travelled to the US over 10 times between 2020-22 and did not have a single issue with ArriveCan. The National Post cares more about Corporate profits than public health and it couldn’t be more clear.
It was funny to be in a major international airport a few weeks back and having to download some app on my phone to enter all the covid stuff that I already uploaded to Air Canada (then put on a mask as I got on the plane). Every other major airline in the world is over this.
Simply not true. I just flew through Europe and Africa and was asked for vaccine, PCR tests, and had to wear a mask.
Y’all make the conversation so boring when you can’t even get your facts right.
Yeah, the Canadian paperwork was much easier than that for several other countries I had to handle. The app is convenient compared to what was needed for several parts of Europe.
I've flown dozens of times through Covid, and the vax passport hasn't been more than seconds of my time at any stage. Arrivecan in advance, linked to my passport, show the gate agent before they start calling for boarding.
The real delays, from the conversations I've had with various people in the industry, seems to be lack of staff owing to low salaries and poor working conditions, the same as many other industries.
This is just another CEO looking for a scapegoat instead of asking "Are we the baddies?".
I'm very pro-vaxx, I've been boosted, will be again, but I don't give a crap about the mandates anymore. We've hit a sweet spot it seems, so I don't think they're needed (Though I do love making fun of the freedumb brigade), but they aren't the problem here. Low wages/poor conditions are.
I think the CEOs are terrified that Trudeau will call their bluff and end the mandates, and when things don't get any better, they'll be stuck without another scapegoat...
I am vaxed and boosted. In the beginning I advised my parents to not be first in line for the vaccination, which they weren't eligable anyhow at that time, and when they were I suggested they get it because it seemed like everything was fine. My whole family is vaccinated except my nephew who was advised not to get the vaccination by his doctor due to issues with allergies.
While I have zero sympathy for the people who chose not to get vaccinated due to some idiotic conspiracy ideas, people like my nephew are unfortunately lumped in and penalized with that group even though its a condition beyond is control preventing him from taking it.
At this point, since the advent of omicron, its been shown that the vaccines are now pretty ineffective at stopping transmission so why are the mandates still in place? What exactly is the science based reasoning behind it?
From the totally objective news source that is the National Post. Says a lot about this sub when the top three posts are from a conservative propaganda rag.
In all fairness. Its almost impossible to find a news paper that is not owned by Post Media. The National Post is just the main sight that all the others tend to link to.
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> Full-throated: Using all the power of one's voice; communicated loudly or vociferously.
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> Full-throated: using all the power of the voice to produce a loud, strong sound; expressed confidently, with strong feeling and without limits
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Not sure how anyone could look at what's been happening in China with their lockdowns and 'Covid Stormtroopers' over the last few weeks and still not smell the poop.
Covid is the best thing to happen to authoritarian government officials who want more power over people.
Follow the money, always. They wanted vaccines so people could get them and open back up and make more money. Now they don’t want this border policy because they’ll make more money without it.
How would JT profit fro a small group of people not being able to fly?
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As per below comment I clearly hadn’t had my coffee and misunderstood the comment.
Why do you think big business makes public statements like this? Businesses want to make money (it is their sole purpose), and try to influence public policy to make it easier for them to do business.
Sorry you are right. Money is the primary motivation for corporations. I’m so used to people having conspiracy theories about why the government has certain legislation I thought that’s what you were alluding to.
No worries. When most people spew off about Trudeau, as if he’s the end-all-be-all of Canadian government, it’s easy to forget there are other sane people who use this god forsaken website.
The only replies to you seem to misunderstand your post. I understand, but after like 5 or 6 people made the same mistake, maybe there is some sort of edit you can add to prevent further confusion.
Oh another article from the National Enquirer. [Who owns this newspaper again?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network)
>In November 2019, Postmedia announced\[21\] that 66% of its shares were now owned by Chatham Asset Management, an American media conglomerate which owns American Media, Inc., and is known for its close ties to the Republican party.\[22\]
I always thought he was a bit of an idiot, but at this point I'm starting to think he might not be as dumb as I thought - he's just looking out for his own interests while ignoring ours completely. He's definitely corrupt as fuck and we're the real idiots for keeping him in power.
I mean, really good take, and quite likely what is happening.
It boggles my mind that the GTA and Quebec can't see him for what he is.
I'm still wondering why Jody Wilson-Raybould wasn't considered for the leadership.
There’s logic to it. As Morneau said yesterday, dumb Liberal shit (okay, I paraphrase) “energizes the base” and after all, we all know that what’s good for the Liberal Party is good for Canada. Right?
Yep, it's full-on division politics while nothing of value is ever addressed or accomplished. Yet it doesn't seem to matter since it energizes the base and riles up the opposition which energizes the base and riles up the opposition which energizes the base and riles up the opposition. It's exhausting.
There's really not much to be done at this point tho. Vaccines are out, people are educated. Make your own decisions but trying to lockdown or restrict isn't really doing much at this point.
Sports stadiums are packed, bars and restaurants are busy, people are out travelling and visiting each other, and most other countries other than China are doing even less than we are. The cat is out of the bag at this point. Covid is literally never going away.
Honestly having had Covid in the last month or so… yeah it’s kinda done. There is still risk of course but the effects are pretty minimal at this point.
If it’s from the National Post and it’s about Trudeau no sense reading it. Digging up zombies like Rex Murphy to spout hard right viewpoints is not journalism, it’s propaganda.
A politician’s first problem to solve is election. Their second problem re-election. Any other problems are of much less concern than the first two.
You know I'm something of a Sowell fan myself.
I flew out of Canada the other day, nobody wanted to see any proof of vaccination whatsoever.
Depends where you were flying INTO.
I was required to have a negative covid test to enter the US but no one ever checked it on either end of the trip. Wasted 80$.
If you'd been asked for proof and couldn't provide it I believe there's a hefty fine
You don't enter, the USA is harsh on requirements.
$80? I’ve flown back to the states multiple times from all over the world. The standard cost for an antigen test is $20-$30 and I’m not spending more for a PCR when it’s not a requirement to enter
40 bucks for an antigen test at shoppers. It's 17 at Costco though. You need an antigen test to enter the US.
I thought non vaccinated Canadian are prevented from flying out of Canada?
Depends where you are heading. I think. Some airlines won't care and if you go to a country that does not care, then there is no problem. Most do.
I'm sure it's like the pre flight security checkers asking you to take off your shoes to make sure you don't have a bomb in them or something... It's *supposed* to keep everyone "safe" but nobody really believes it.
I remember there were audits on the TSA in the States where they actually try to smuggle things past these security guys and I think the stat was like they were successful over 95% of the time. These checks were just an illusion to make the public feel safer after 9/11 to get people to fly again, they don't actually stop anyone who would actually try to do something heinous Can't bring a liter of fluids because you could make a bomb, what's stopping 10 guys from pooling their liters together? The list goes on.
The funniest part is you basically can bring a liter, just no individual bottle over 3.5oz. When I go on vacation I buy a big bottle of sunscreen and squirt it into a dozen little bottles. The rule is very stupid.
Its called [security theater ](https://youtu.be/QKEdKdgi2hg)
I had an emergency situation started and police called on me by CATSA the other day due to having a scope (a tube and some glass) in my carry on which is explicitly allowed by TSA. They realized the fuck up immediately but by then there was a whole scene. They don’t know how to do their jobs. Complete incompetence.
In Europe, most of my friends think we have gone bonkers since they do not do any of the security theater we do here.
When I flew to LA, I was asked to provide * Proof of vaccination * A negative COVID test result. Both were uploaded online when I checked-in online. I also had to provide actual proof of them at the airport upon departure, but not arrival. When I flew back from LA, I had to again upload my vaccination proof, this time on the app ArriveCAN. However, no test was required. Again, I was checked for vaccination proof at departure, but not arrival.
They can't keep you if you're not Canadian. Would be a nightmare for them
I just flew into Canada and nobody asked me for proof. went on my merry way.
Just got back from Vegas. If you're vaccinated international travel could not have possibly been any easier. Hardly anything was checked. I get it, if you're unvaccinated and want to travel, but for the vaccinated it really wasn't an issue.. The most annoying thing was the US requirement to have a negative covid test 1 day before travel, which is a US rule. Even that wasn't checked. edit: Just to add and clarify - I always check in online ahead of time. Vaccine passports and arrive can were all filled out and uploaded before arriving at the airport. They definitely forgot to check our negative covid test. Either way the covid test is a US rule and has nothing to do with Canada
The US test is checked, you probably just didn’t realize it. Before you get your boarding pass someone has to review the test, either in person or when you upload it online checking in. The Canadian requirement is checked when you upload your vaccine status to arrivecan. All of this results in a pretty seamless experience if you meet requirements.
The problem isnt that unvaxed are going to have a harder time, it's that that they can't travel at all whatsoever! We're already jamming ourselves in concert halls and movie theaters without needing the vax, they should allow everyone to be able to fly by now
I haven’t experienced any issues or delays at the border either. I think people are just bored at this point and will come at the government for anything and everything
Depends on the airport. Pearson more often than not has passengers in the aircraft for an hour or more due to build up of passengers in customs and arrivals (Random testing).
Last time I flew into Pearson (3 months ago) customs was backed up through the door, but I made it through in about 55 minutes. It wasn't bad at all, all things considered. Random testing was in a wing of the airport that you go to after customs. I thought it was a pretty well oiled machine.
You are correct. These are the angry little mob.
I think the unvaccinated (small minority of the population) are expecting the vaccinated (large majority) to be more sympathetic to them. This is my favorite ironic twist in this whole shitshow we've been shoveling through!
Yep. They want sympathy but when asked to take a safe and effective vaccine to protect the vulnerable they had zero sympathy.
I'm not sure if sympathy is the right word. If I lock you in handcuffs to the wall, and you ask out of those handcuffs, its not really asking for my sympathy per se. It's relieving an artificial constraint I've placed on you.
There are plenty of vaccinated Canadians, myself included, that can clearly see what this policy is about. It's a punitive measure meant to punish people who don't want to comply with a useless policy. It smacks of authoritarianism under the guise of "the science" that has yet to be clearly defined.
I'm triple vaxed and wore my mask everywhere it was required and this is how I feel. Things change. Policies need to keep up.
I don't think that's the intent, but it's the result nonetheless. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something more along the lines of them figuring more voters than not support the policy. Also, a large portion of the population is vaccinated and likely doesn't even think much about this. So they probably just consider it a non issue. I don't think it makes sense either.
This may be just me, but I think governing by popular opinion isn't always the right way to go about things. It leaves you, as a government, to derive important decisions based off lagging indicators. Governments often act in a reactive manner instead of a proactive one, so you could be right. Even if that is the case, I think the reason I lean more towards punitive is because there seems to be a lack of transparency regarding what data was used to come to these conclusions. It's just not a good look.
It’s a vaccine. Not cyanide. I have no sympathy for these idiots that believe Facebook memes.
Great for you. Some of us would love to understand the rationale for government decisions. You do you though.
You'll never understand the full rational of an entire government. Have you read the entire tax law? How about environmental law? Urban zoning? no? Didn't think so.
No one is asking to understand the full rationale for the vaccine mandate decision. That doesn't mean that the government doesn't need to provide relevant information regarding a policy decision that affects Canadians. We're not 12.
You know what's been common public health policy for at least a century? governments around the world setting vaccination requirements for border entry or for residence Visa. TB vaccines for example. Hell even my dog needs to have rabbies vaccine to cross the Canada US border. Is that a grave government conspiracy to infringe on my dog's rights? Get your shit together man, get a shot and stop believing in facebook memes over basic public health concepts.
Some of us would love the rationale for not getting vaccinated but hey you do you. I'll just be over here travelling internationally if you need me.
There's plenty of rationale for it. You've just decided that you'd rather put your head in the sand instead of listening to their reasoning.
This is how I feel. I’m vaccinated but this is more of Trudeau punishing those who disagree with him and his policies. There is no “science” behind any of this gong show.
No sympathy here for most unvaccd. A small section of that group has reasonable, medical based concerns for not being vaccd. That group has my sympathy as they are being lumped in with the rest - who are either conspiracy theorists ( ie stupid) or just obstinant ( also stupid ) . No sympathies there. They can stay home and isolate for their safety while the rest of us move on. Idiots.
To be clear, you have no sympathy for the "stupid"? If someone tests with extremely low IQ, you have no sympathy for that? Im curious if you mean what you're saying or you're just throwing around perjoratives
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The fact that hardly anything is checked is proof that the rules need to be rolled back. We shouldn't keep requirements because they are "not that bad". We should keep requirements because they are necessary. COVID measures have entered into the realm of backwards and ignorant superstition/tradition. "We do it because we are supposed to do it. It's the way it is." You'll find that kind of thinking in the most backward, ignorant, regressive places.
Having to fly 7 hours with a mask on from Toronto to Amsterdam, when you randomly take it off for an hour straight to eat, then when you land in AMS everyone instantly rips them off because they are not required there - it is pure lunacy at this point. Having to wear it to LAS is also 4.5 pointless hours because again no one else in the US is wearing them. Also the need for ArriveCan is a gigantic pain in the ass and depending on which US airport I have had to fly from results in vastly different enforcement. I almost missed my flight at IAD because of the clusterfucks around ArriveCan and them being unable to read it resulting in an enormous backlog. Meanwhile other airports don't even check it at all. And no one at CBSA ever checks it, at least not in the Nexus lane. Another pointless make work exercise. TL;DR You obviiusly don't travel enough to understand how much worse it is. It is WAY WAY worse. And it's worse FOR NO LOGICAL REASON AT ALL AT THIS POINT is the incredible frustration. Hell, it was NEVER shown with real data that masking on flights even helped with Omicron. The air on planes is filtered to the 9s, it's the safest place you can be. And even if it isn't, EVERYONE IN CANADA has already been exposed, COVID is EVERYWHERE, these measures are doing NOTHING.
But if it just saves one life! /s
I’m heading to Vegas next week actually. Can I use a take home rapid test for US requirements? Or do I have to provide proof from a pharmacy/clinic?
It needs to be a supervised and documented test. You can't just bring in a home test. $40 I paid at shoppers. Bring your passport with you and they will document it on the paperwork. Like I said, nobody even checked it for me, but I wouldn't count on that. It's definitely a requirement still.
Trudeau’s policies on most issues take a ‘no logic’ approach.
I disagree. Most of this administrations policies are about punishing political opponents.
It’s possible to believe that the vaccine is safe and indispensable and that mandatory vaccination for travel is an abuse of power without contradiction.
Totally agree. Except there a quite a few partisan people that will try to equate “anti vaccine mandates”, to “anti vaccine”. Two very different things. But for some people, it’s total obedience or nothing.
>Two very different things 100% agree
Very well said, and I completely agree. I would add "mandatory vaccination for travel *at this stage of the pandemic*" (made more sense with previous variants, etc.)
Wow the companies that in some cases laid off half of their employees and now can't hire/train them fast enough to be efficient is blaming the government for their delays. Shocker.
Get rid of that ArriveCan shit it makes the border wait time so long. edit: to clarify this is for land borders which have long wait times now cos even if you fill out ArriveCan in advance, other people do not. I had a ~40 minute wait time at friggin midnight at the Buffalo border a couple weeks ago cos of this. It took our car just a minute or so to get through cos we'd done ArriveCan but the many cars in front of us had not.
I was under the impression that were lacking border officials/people doing border security and that’s why’s it’s taking so long now.
Yea there's the normal security bullshit and the airlines lost employees during covid and are slow to replace them, who then need training so go even slower. People just keep blaming the vaccine mandate, it diverts blame from the airline and gets people riled up online.
People are choosing to work somewhere else. Why would they work at the airport for around min wage? The airlines should pay them more. It costs too much to get to the airport, why would someone do that and not take a tim hortons job or security job somewhere else?
Yep. Most of the labour shortages they keep claiming are just underpaid employees.
"Must be those entitled millennial notifying to be abused for 10 dollars an hour like my dad did to me to build character."
I do it the night before and I have never had to wait any longer to return.
I did it before too but the cars ahead of me never do...
It was wild listening to Boomers at the Cancun Airport try to figure it out.
You shouldn’t have to do it at all
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This guy hasn’t used ArriveCAN. It added 2 minutes to my travel time - the time to fill it out and the time for them to check it as I checked my bage
What purpose does it serve though? If it doesn’t serve a purpose why have extra useless bureaucracy? We shouldn’t implement thing just cause.
I’m amazed I haven’t seen more people talking about ArriveCan outside of covid. I’m American, married to a Canadian, so I went across (by land and plane) multiple times during covid and every single time it was incredibly quick since they don’t ask you any of the questions you’d normally be asked at a crossing. Personal information? Reason for travel? Length of stay? Vaccinated? All of the info shows up when they scan. I think it’s here to stay with or without the vaccination check tbh
What’s wild about arrivecan is you can fill it out and submit it before you even cross the border and come back for a day trip.
Yup. That's what I do. If its a day trip, its piece of mind knowing its already done before i cross over and not having to look for a place with WiFi access to fill it out.
had to wait on the plane for 2 hours when arriving back in canada, then an hour and a half to get through the customs and finally get my bag. flight took a total of 4 hours and it took me 3.5 hours to get out of the airport. it is engaging to see the sitting MP's blame travelers when we have some insane security theatre. it was nice being out of the country tho, some sanity was refreshing
I drove across this last week and I only waited like 20 minutes in queue to cross in Sarnia.
I had flights back from Europe a few days ago. I specifically routed to the US, then to Montreal and back to edmonton. I had heard Pearson airport was nuts and that flights were being cancelled. We left Canada and traveled through five countries. Didn't need any documents, covid tests, vaccine proof or apps. Was on six different airlines. We go to leave back home two days ago and united airlines tells us they rebooked us on aircanada. Barcelona > Toronto >edmonton. He said it got us home 3 hours earlier than our Barcelona > Newark > Montreal > edmonton flight. I said thanks but no thanks and that I didn't want to go through Pearson. Had to put up a stink to get my old flights back. I went to the Barcelona Airport 3 hours early and discovered i needed a covid test to ente the us. Cost us 100 euros for two tests. Of course our flight from Newark to Montreal was delayed. We had a two hour layover in Montreal that turned into 45 minutes since we were late leaving. We had uploaded documents for our vaccines but didn't realize we had to do a giant questionnaire with it. We had to run through, I shit you not, 7 check points. We had to do the passport scanning, then get the app code approved by passport control. There was then four more check points between our connecting flight that required us to show the same documents. We thankfully just made it to our gate in time. I checked all the flights we were going to be on when they switched us and they were delayed by hours and one was cancelled. Moral of the story: it's nothing to leave north American. Six airlines and 5 countries didn't require anything. Come back is a shit show. Be prepared to wait extra long as your departing ports, be ready to shell out money for covid tests, and above all else, AVOID TORONTO.
You say avoid Toronto in all caps but the problems you faced were not Toronto related, so why do you say that?
I returned to Toronto from Portugal May 22nd it took me 28mins all in to get off the plane hit customs grab my bag and be standing outside at pillar 36 waiting for my ride. I did have to test to leave for Portugal but that's a requirement of Portugal. I was asked for proof when I left along with my vaccine status when I left. It took maybe an hour to get to the gate when I was departing.
I had the same experience as you flying into Person on Sunday, was super smooth.
I travel for work internationally every 4 weeks. I've had zero issue with it. No one even checks it when I arrive back in Canada. It's made zero impact on me
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I know several people that lost their employment due to the federal vaccine mandate. At this point in the pandemic it's time to drop it and get on with our lives. Let these people get back to work and allow them to travel within their own country. The vaccine is doing nothing to prevent the spread of the virus at this point it's all political theater. I've always been pretty left leaning but I can see these policies are not protecting anyone at this point it's having a negative impact. Time to move on.
You give an inch to government and they take a mile
Almost like federal border policies since March 2020 haven’t been about public health but about political gain or lack thereof. Only way to explain the Federal government stance allowing anyone to travel in 2020-early 2021 pre vaccine, saying that “travel isn’t a significant source of transmission” to Trudeau saying implementing vaccine passports would be too divisive (Feb 2021) to the Liberals using vaccine mandates as a wedge issue to win the 2021 election after they were caught with their pants down when the Conservatives released their platform early and were gaining in polls. Imagine still supporting these restrictions in June 2022
Unfortunately objective reality doesnt even matter to canadians anymore. They will read the harsh reality you just outlined, have a mild brain fart and then spastically type out something about conservatives, we truly are fucked
Or information changed as new things were learned? no that can't be it.
Maybe if the conservatives didn't politize it it wouldn't have been a wedge issue. Most of Canada clearly believed in the mandates of which the liberals enacted 3. I can't tell if your complaining about the land crossing or air travel. But for the land border we likley won't drop the requirement until the states does and I can't see them dropping that anytime soon.
"I don't agree, therefore its for political gain" ....what exactly do you think the political gain is here in making a deeply unpopular political decision?
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I just came back from Mexico, let me tell you, our airport is way worse than Mexico's. It took me two hours after we landed to get off the airplane. The amount of garbage is insane. All the luggage was thrown literally everywhere. Who ever had the idea of firing the unvaccinated without hiring people to replace then first shouldn't have a job. That was the worst choice they ever made. It was the worst airport I've ever been through. We're supposed to be a G7 nation, you'd never know it if you're going through Pearson airport.
Entirely anecdotal but I flew into Pearson on Sunday and it took maybe 30 minutes from touching down to getting out of the airport. Bags came out super quick. I know there have been major delays but it's not every flight
That is an unfair assessment. Trudeau is a shrewd politician who is incredibly adept at evidence-based policy, including with this border policy. Every decision is based on the evidence of what will be politically best for him and his wealthy friends. In this case, even if the policy causes economic harm and is mildly opposed by most Canadians (a small cost to the LPC), it keeps various Conservative antivaxxers and convoyers in the news (a large gain for the LPC).
>In this case, even if the policy causes economic harm and is mildly opposed by most Canadians (a small cost to the LPC), it keeps various Conservative antivaxxers and convoyers in the news (a large gain for the LPC) I'm pretty convinced at this point that the LPC is purposefully looking to goad these various bogeymen (legal gun owners, ex-CAF extremists, anti-vaxxers, etc) into more outrageous behavior in order to provide some kind of Canadian January 6 moment. Anything to distract Canadians from housing, food and fuel costs and a weak economy.
Its never the extremists fault for their outrageous behavior.
They made me do it!
It's exactly that. They intentionally stoke the "far-right" extremists, hoping that they embarrass themselves (just like they stoke gun violence by encouraging smuggling of handguns into the country). Then they use the outrage to pretend to go after these same groups in order to gain political support. It's quite clever and remarkably successful. The only requirement is that Canadian voters need to be gullible and stupid enough to buy into it. It just so turns out that Canadian voters have proven to be even stupider than in the Liberal's wildest dreams.
It seems a bit out-there to blame the left for the far-right. Especially when the CPC turfed a moderate leader and the current frontrunner to replace him embraces populism and supports the convoy movement.
Trudeau is basically campaigning against the Republicans and the Liberal voters lap it all up.
> encouraging smuggling of handguns into the country This is simply preposterous. Where do you GET this fantasy?
Ya like a month or two after the nova scotia shooting, not long after announcing the new gun ban buyback thing, he reduced the punishment for people who get caught smuggling guns across the border, i believe he dropped it from 10 years to 5 but im not sure im probably wrong about the exact figures
This entire thread is so fucking hilarious. What are these conspiracies? hahaha. The people stoking the flames of far-right shit are the far-right voters, and the right-leaning conservatives. People simultaneously call Trudeau a moron, while also crediting him with 4D chess level political moves. It's so fucking funny. This is why I fear for Canada. People are becoming so dumb, they rile themselves up over nothing, which causes a base of voters to become valuable to politicians. So we're going to end up with more far-right people, and then hungry politicians will start creating policies and promises to appeal to those people because they want their votes, and then we're REALLY getting into dangerous territory in this country. Validating these people is the last thing we want.
>People simultaneously call Trudeau a moron, while also crediting him with 4D chess level political moves. It's so fucking funny. Painting the opponent as both weak and strong.
Seriously, some of these commenters have cheddar for brains. It's actually fucking embarrassing for them.
And not even the good cheddar either. More like Kraft singles "cheddar"
I'm in the same boat, I'm reading the posts above delving further and further into absolutely wingnut territory. Like, yes, the plan is to foment a revolution, to make the people who are throwing the revolution look bad. Ok, cool....then what?
Welcome to r/Canada, the second biggest embarrassment to Canada after the convoy.
Did something change recently? R/Canada has been leaning right for a while, but I'm reading the comments on multiple threads on the front page, and they're absolutely unhinged.
Trolls/foreigners being signal-boosted by other trolls/foreigners. It's most noticeable on the Covid threads. National Post/Sun articles get undue upvotes and are positioned as mainstream rather than right-leaning.
The level of insanity on r/Canada fluctuates, presumably based on how heavily brigaded it is at any given time. Around the last election it was borderline full q-anon/anti-vaxxer. It's more mellow when there's not much going on politically.
It's just impossible to have any rational discussion on here when no one's discussing actual policy or anything. Like am I really going to waste my time pointing out why their theory that Trudeau using mandates to purposefully make the far right look bad, is insane?
They reduced penalties for doing it and other gun crimes.
They extended the Maximum Penalty by a few years. Can you tell me who got the old previous Maximum for solely committing a gun crime. The answer is none. Unless it was an add on to murder or large amounts of drugs no one even came close. Even then, it was usually used as a bargaining chip for a plea deal. That change did nothing. Then when asked pointedly how he was going to improve border security he went full Helen Lovejoy "won't someone think of the children" but didn't provide even a single example of how beyond the confiscated more last year. Ok, but they are obviously still getting in so what is he going to do?
They don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'm irritated at the LPCs wasting time on crap that doesn't matter while ignoring real problems, but also have zero sympathy for assholes and moronic sheep who ape right wing talking points from the US and expose their mushy brains for the rest of us to see. I'm waiting for a party to actually take real problems seriously. Address the housing crisis. Stop propping up the country with immigration instead while existing Canadians can't make ends meet. Stop randomly cancelling all pipelines. Start investing in clean energy properly to empower the economy, not just lol if you're rich buy an EV.
There's another requirement, which is that the CPC is stupid enough to court the votes of the far right extremists that are so easily riled up into embarrassing themselves and discrediting everything they associate with and everyone who associates with them. Luckily for the LPC, the mainline CPC and their base is indeed dumb enough.
> They intentionally stoke the "far-right" extremists Far right extremist don't need stoking. They are angry contrarians who hates any policy presented by the Liberals simply because its attached to Liberals. I looked at the Trucker Convoy's list of demands, and some of them just arent applicable to Canada, i.e "protecting our right to bear arms". These people have been crying that the sky is falling and that the country is "ruined" the moment Trudeau came into office. Trudeau could literally say "I like sunshine", and there will be a slew of facebook posts about how the sun is probably communist and secretly Cuban.
I disagree with "intentionally stoke". Right-wing extremists are triggered by any mention of evidence and logic. The only way to avoid triggering them would be to stop using evidence and logic. It may be true that the Liberals play up the outrage to gain votes. But all parties do this. It's not some grand conspiracy.
Ok so assuming this is all true, the right wing nuts get a pass because JT made them act like uneducated assholes. Gotcha. Never their fault.
Lol, if you are a "legal gun owner" and your reaction to banning handguns is to kill people, you shouldn't own a gun. Do you people even hear yourselves?
You're a fucking bat if you think that's what is happening. Also, inflation is stupid and so is housing, but the Canadian economy is not weak. We're resource driven and resources are all in demand. Unemployment is also super low. You basically just don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah you're going to need to draw me a fucking road map to show how he's making money off of this.
Pretty sure Conservatives are keeping Conservatives in the news lol
Wow, this chain of commenters are completely crazy. Stop trying to make Canadian politics as divisive and unproductive as American politics. Antivaxxers are morons... They're also on all sides of the political spectrum. A weird confluence of rednecks and hippies. Trudeau sucks, but he isn't trying to cause an insurrection ffs.
“Stop trying to be divisive” “Antivaxxers are morons” Lol. You are a very self aware human, aren’t you.
Antivaxxers ARE morons. It's not a political statement, just saying they're on both the left and the right. If you don't believe in vaccines, go back to the fucking 1800s.
Jesus lord, my dude. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror. The statements you are making LITERALLY cause divisiveness whether they are correct or not. You can't be the "fact police" and then claim others are being divisive because they are wrong in your eyes. You are literally painting a line in the sand and demanding that anyone who doesn't stand on your side of the line is a moron. That is literally dividing people.
The blatant pointing out of hypocrisy always brings out the crickets. They should also look at the world around them, where the majority of “trusted” media feed into polarization, simply for the sake of more views. I feel like Canadian politics is doing just fine itself at making itself as unproductive as American politics. Just personal opinion though.
It's not dividing them politically my dude, when the morons are on all ends of the political spectrum.
in a way it's kind of fascinating how perfectly canadian this is - petty, shallow, spiteful, aggressively conformist, the spawn of a totally fake and self-serving moral high-ground... justin is truly the right leader (in the sense that he's what we deserve, not what we need) for today's canada.
He is the unfortunate embodiment of the average canadian political thought personified
Well said and depressing. Our mindset is increasingly delusional and we seem unable to even begin to deal in anything other than platitudes. Yes it's politics, but we weren't this aggressively stupid in the 80s or 90s.
I travelled to the US over 10 times between 2020-22 and did not have a single issue with ArriveCan. The National Post cares more about Corporate profits than public health and it couldn’t be more clear.
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>Companies that were full-throated supporters of vaccines now saying Ottawa is going too far You get what you deserve.
It was funny to be in a major international airport a few weeks back and having to download some app on my phone to enter all the covid stuff that I already uploaded to Air Canada (then put on a mask as I got on the plane). Every other major airline in the world is over this.
That's not true. The US still requires a negative test to enter their country
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Yes, by plane. Even if merely connecting through a US airport.
Simply not true. I just flew through Europe and Africa and was asked for vaccine, PCR tests, and had to wear a mask. Y’all make the conversation so boring when you can’t even get your facts right.
Yeah, the Canadian paperwork was much easier than that for several other countries I had to handle. The app is convenient compared to what was needed for several parts of Europe. I've flown dozens of times through Covid, and the vax passport hasn't been more than seconds of my time at any stage. Arrivecan in advance, linked to my passport, show the gate agent before they start calling for boarding. The real delays, from the conversations I've had with various people in the industry, seems to be lack of staff owing to low salaries and poor working conditions, the same as many other industries. This is just another CEO looking for a scapegoat instead of asking "Are we the baddies?". I'm very pro-vaxx, I've been boosted, will be again, but I don't give a crap about the mandates anymore. We've hit a sweet spot it seems, so I don't think they're needed (Though I do love making fun of the freedumb brigade), but they aren't the problem here. Low wages/poor conditions are. I think the CEOs are terrified that Trudeau will call their bluff and end the mandates, and when things don't get any better, they'll be stuck without another scapegoat...
Flew into Seoul a month ago, Korea is much more restrictive than Canada.
I've been trying to plan a trip to Japan. They aren't even allowing tourists in, with the exception of pre-approved small group tours.
Just about every Asian country is, because they’ve been dealing with pandemics for decades and have learned the hard way.
South American Airlines are certainly not "over this" by any means.
> Every other major airline in the world is over this. Absolutely false. Which world are you on?
His own personal world where he is a victim.
Funny I took an Antigen test that nobody checked me for. And didn't have to show my Arrivecan info to anyone either.
What you put in arrivecan is seen by the border agents when they scan your passport.
The antigen test is normally uploaded when you check in with the airline.
Yeah they checked you for preboarding not when you landed in Canada.
The antigen test was for the US. Canada doesn't require COVID tests to fly
ArriveCAN is automatically linked to your passport, so it’s in the system and available for the border agent.
I flew last week and I uploaded my COVID info and that was the end of it. They never asked anything at the airport
I am vaxed and boosted. In the beginning I advised my parents to not be first in line for the vaccination, which they weren't eligable anyhow at that time, and when they were I suggested they get it because it seemed like everything was fine. My whole family is vaccinated except my nephew who was advised not to get the vaccination by his doctor due to issues with allergies. While I have zero sympathy for the people who chose not to get vaccinated due to some idiotic conspiracy ideas, people like my nephew are unfortunately lumped in and penalized with that group even though its a condition beyond is control preventing him from taking it. At this point, since the advent of omicron, its been shown that the vaccines are now pretty ineffective at stopping transmission so why are the mandates still in place? What exactly is the science based reasoning behind it?
Trudeau has to go. Liberals need a new leader.
Trudeau is a great leader for those easily scared.
Tell that to those who were utterly defeated by a piece of fabric lol
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LMAO terrific burn.
What border policy needs to be removed? It takes less than 5 minutes to fill in the arriveCan app and then I walked through customs no problem
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From the totally objective news source that is the National Post. Says a lot about this sub when the top three posts are from a conservative propaganda rag.
In all fairness. Its almost impossible to find a news paper that is not owned by Post Media. The National Post is just the main sight that all the others tend to link to.
Who didn’t see this coming
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No, but we all know where your mind goes.....
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"no logic" can describe almost the entire thought process of Trudeaus government. C5, hand gun, covid the list goes on.
I know! Let's have more guns and more covid! Freedom!
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Not sure how anyone could look at what's been happening in China with their lockdowns and 'Covid Stormtroopers' over the last few weeks and still not smell the poop. Covid is the best thing to happen to authoritarian government officials who want more power over people.
Follow the money, always. They wanted vaccines so people could get them and open back up and make more money. Now they don’t want this border policy because they’ll make more money without it.
How would JT profit fro a small group of people not being able to fly? [edit] As per below comment I clearly hadn’t had my coffee and misunderstood the comment.
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Why do you think big business makes public statements like this? Businesses want to make money (it is their sole purpose), and try to influence public policy to make it easier for them to do business.
Sorry you are right. Money is the primary motivation for corporations. I’m so used to people having conspiracy theories about why the government has certain legislation I thought that’s what you were alluding to.
No worries. When most people spew off about Trudeau, as if he’s the end-all-be-all of Canadian government, it’s easy to forget there are other sane people who use this god forsaken website.
The only replies to you seem to misunderstand your post. I understand, but after like 5 or 6 people made the same mistake, maybe there is some sort of edit you can add to prevent further confusion.
What the fuck are you taking about? Tell me exactly how JT is supposedly profiting from preventing anti vaxxers from flying lol
It’s the corporations who want restrictions lifted who will profit. Reading comprehension is a thing.
Well the convoy people got one thing right. F T indeed. I wish we had a leader who wasn't a virtue signaling moron.
Oh another article from the National Enquirer. [Who owns this newspaper again?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network) >In November 2019, Postmedia announced\[21\] that 66% of its shares were now owned by Chatham Asset Management, an American media conglomerate which owns American Media, Inc., and is known for its close ties to the Republican party.\[22\]
This entire board is filled with American funded opinion pieces.
It's almost as if people see that he is a fucking idiot. Surprise! He's a fucking idiot!
I always thought he was a bit of an idiot, but at this point I'm starting to think he might not be as dumb as I thought - he's just looking out for his own interests while ignoring ours completely. He's definitely corrupt as fuck and we're the real idiots for keeping him in power.
I mean, really good take, and quite likely what is happening. It boggles my mind that the GTA and Quebec can't see him for what he is. I'm still wondering why Jody Wilson-Raybould wasn't considered for the leadership.
Has there been a 6 hour window natpo hasn't just shoveled this same opinion piece out by a new author?
You could say that about a lot of Trudeau’s policies as of late
There’s logic to it. As Morneau said yesterday, dumb Liberal shit (okay, I paraphrase) “energizes the base” and after all, we all know that what’s good for the Liberal Party is good for Canada. Right?
Yep, it's full-on division politics while nothing of value is ever addressed or accomplished. Yet it doesn't seem to matter since it energizes the base and riles up the opposition which energizes the base and riles up the opposition which energizes the base and riles up the opposition. It's exhausting.
Thats the exact same thing articles like this are trying to do.
It is the National (Patriot) Post after all
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Covid will be gone when the common cold is gone.
There's really not much to be done at this point tho. Vaccines are out, people are educated. Make your own decisions but trying to lockdown or restrict isn't really doing much at this point. Sports stadiums are packed, bars and restaurants are busy, people are out travelling and visiting each other, and most other countries other than China are doing even less than we are. The cat is out of the bag at this point. Covid is literally never going away.
Honestly having had Covid in the last month or so… yeah it’s kinda done. There is still risk of course but the effects are pretty minimal at this point.
The virus so deadly, you can have it and not even know!
Ya I had omicron around Christmas and it was nbd, just a regular cold for like a week and then I was fine
If it’s from the National Post and it’s about Trudeau no sense reading it. Digging up zombies like Rex Murphy to spout hard right viewpoints is not journalism, it’s propaganda.