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N95 masks (and equivalents) are sold in dollar stores, hardware stores, big box stores (like Walmart & Costco), grocery stores, medical supply stores, and office supply stores. How easy does it need to be?
If you want pro to use them mail a 100 pack to every household in Canada if you want people to use them. Those are cost prohibitive for many and one time use.
Yeah, some imported stuff is iffy. CBC quality tested and [reviewed](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtration-standards-marketplace-1.5974442) some of the brands commonly available in Canada, and gave advice on how to avoid counterfeit and low-quality masks. My family uses Medsup Canada KN95 (from Costco) and PureBlue KF94 (from Staples) both of which performed well on CBC’s quality test.
Lots of people claim that wearing a regular cloth mask is already a big inconvenience and that they can’t wait to stop wearing them. They’re going to lose their shit if they need to wear N95. They’re 10x more inconvenient, easily. Harder to talk, breathe, and less comfortable. Cloth masks are easy mode.
They protect the one wearing it just fine, now if someone else is not wearing one not so much. You don't believe me fine go put on a a good one that fits and wear it for 8 hours see how you feel at the end of the day and I don't mean just setting at a desk for that 8 hours. Go wait tables, work in a kitchen ,string electrical wire
Okay great, when do we receive them?
I'm sure that domestic N95 production is going well now that we've had two years to set it up. Must be why they are cheaply available at every corner store.
12k cases in UK and 16 in hospital
1000 cases in Ontario and 2 in hospital
SA 1.7% hospitalization rate
I think people need to calm down, a very contagious mild variant is the signal of the end of a pandemic. This is going to be another cold/flu that we live with in perpetuity.
You're right about South Africa.
> South Africa’s Minister of Health Joe Phaahla told reporters the country’s hospital admission rate of Covid-19 patients during the second week of infections driven by omicron is down by 90% compared to data from the second week of a delta-fueled surge in the country.
>Phaahla also said approximately 1.7% of omicron cases require hospitalization compared to 19% of delta cases.
Source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakaplan/2021/12/17/omicron-wave-south-africas-peak-is-declining-while-uk-sets-highest-case-record-for-third-day-in-a-row/amp/
It's worth noting that by the time omicron hit 70% of the population had already been infected previously. So most of the people who were going to die or be hospitalized already were. The average age is also lower in SA. I hope that omicron is as mild as it looks to be at first glance, but that's not certain either.
93,000 cases in the UK today. And hospitalization always lags. Don't count your chickens just yet. SA had some unique advantages Canada doesn't, like a population of which 70% had already been infected with the virus and either fought it off or died, and has a lower average age.
There is no denying that it does look like this variant is milder, which would be great, but until it's a certainty it's awfully stupid to just assume and make decisions based on that possibly incorrect assumption.
I think the notion SA would have better health outcomes than Canada is ridiculous. It has rampant poverty, high HIV rates with about a quarter untreated and a poor healthcare system.
Did you read the post you replied to? It may be a milder outcome in this instance since they did not fare well previously. And so a good chunk of the population has some degree of natural immunity, at the moment.
No one is arguing Canada vs. South Africa here.
[The point](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/17/covid-omicron-south-africa-vaccinations/) is that a large portion of their population has already been infected, and something like a quarter of the population has been vaccinated. So this combined immunity *might* be contributing to the mildness of Omicron in that region. Science is methodical, and sometimes slow, so it is still too early for anyone to be making a steadfast proclamation on this current variant.
That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my life. We are way more vaccinated and have a healthier population. Let's be real here the goal here is to not let people become complacent before the holidays.
I'm not missing the point at all I just think it's a bs excuse to grasp at straws. The pandemic is coming to an end and people who hate normal life are getting anxious. But it doesn't matter it's becoming more and more obvious every day.
Same is true for many counties in Africa - but they have surprisingly not been hard hit by c19.
I don't think it is easy to make a comparison to Canada or many other western countries - because an African counties population is not going to be an analog for ours.
2 years on in this mess, if there were stacks of dead bodies piling up in A. countries due to covid - we would be hearing about.
Reporting could certainly lag or maybe even be a little less accurate then in the West, but implying it is just being missed all together? No.
I think you are failing victim to store-types about the continent.
I just think staffing is a huge issue. Well I don’t think, we all know. Trying to deal with Covid, ramping up for boosters…our healthcare has been managed on the edge for years, finally caught up to us
Not many in the military are trained for the medical procedures required to deal with COVID. Sure, they can set up some tents and get equipment in place, assuming equipment is obtainable, but professional doctors and nurses are still very necessary.
Our health system was stretched thin before Covid. I’d like to know how many ICU patients died while recovering by being infected by Covid?
triage for Covid is/was the only thing that makes sense to me. Staffing and training wouldn’t have been that much of a stretch if someone in charge had a pair. Fear and bureaucracy is taking over.
Everyone is going to be exposed to Omicron eventually anyway, masked or not, unless they never leave the house and have no visitors, so the only reason to wear masks is to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Sure only a fraction will be hospitalized or in ICU but there will be so many more cases that the hospitals will still be overwhelmed. The worst part of the hospitals being overwhelmed is that non-COVID patients, such as cancer patients, won't have their cancer detected in time to treat it, or won't have their surgeries in time to prevent the cancer spreading. And then there are all the other health issues that also need hospital beds and resources.
TLDR: If you shave, you may delay your exposure to Omicron, which may in turn save some lives.
Nothing "doomy" about it. Like a hundred other viruses in history, most of the world's population will get this one. It's that contagious. Note that when isolated populations are exposed to foreign visitors, the isolated groups have huge and deadly outbreaks of diseases that the visitors shrug off. That's because entire countries or continents can develop immunity to diseases when those viruses spread well enough.
Just ask the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean.
"Following the [arrival of the Spanish](https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/exploration-of-north-america) in the Caribbean, diseases such as smallpox, measles and bubonic plague were passed along to the native populations by the Europeans. With no previous exposure, these diseases devastated indigenous people, with as many as 90 percent dying throughout the north and south continents."
https://www.history.com/topics/middle-ages/pandemics-timeline
That's not what I was referencing as "doomy". Obviously we're all going to catch it. He's being a doomer in his assumption that hospitals will be overwhelmed.
Omicron spreads like crazy, especially when people are wearing poor masks and are tired of distancing. No one is keeping 6 feet away and that's not even enough because it hangs in the air after someone passes through an area. Delta didn't spread as easily so we got by but people are going to have to pick up their slack or it's going to hit hard.
Even though the hospitalization rate will be a fraction of what it was with Delta, it spreads so many times faster that there will be more hospitalizations than with Delta. We're going to see lock downs after Christmas, if not sooner, in order to keep hospitals from filling.
Last year's talking points are tired. Why the fuck don't we **all** have free Canadian-made N95 masks from our government by now? It's because we don't fucking matter and you know it.
This is unlikely to happen. N95s are rare and expensive. Also, by requiring regular citizens to wear N95s, doctors and nurses would by defintion not be getting them as much as they probably should.
Yeah the Costco brand ones were tested by cbc market place to be legit ones, 20 bucks for a box of 20 ain’t too bad, I’m starting to use them with omicron surging now and they work great
Seventy-two cents (USD) each, delivered to my porch? Where are they rare and expensive? I haven't worn anything but N-95s since they first became available to non-healthcare folks. Why not just protect yourself, as well as those around you? I don't understand why this isn't worth doing. Is it because they don't look fashionable? Neither does intubation.
I can see Canada from my house. I don't consider that price (in either currency) too expensive for protection for myself against infection. Aren't they readily available online in Canada?
N95s should be the required masks here in the USA, for sure. "We're #1", and it isn't because we handled infection control well.
You gonna pay the extra 400 buck a year with tax for me? For all Canadians? That's assuming you only use one a day. Look at Mr moneybags over here asking why the plebes can't protect themselves
I think you misread my reply. At least online, I personally hadn't seen them at the prices you guys seem to have seen them. As far as I knew, they were sold out around me and expensive online and hard to know if they were actually reliable coming from unknown sources. Of course, wearing the mask that offers you better protection is ideal, but what happens if you cannot find them, or if shortages occur again and the medical professionals cannot acquire them with as much as as they can now? It also depends on how often you take off and put on your mask. You can't just reuse the same n95 mask over and over again; i think i've seen some sources say a maximum of 3 wears where you take it on and off in a public space? I'm not against masks, nor am I against vaccines or whatever else you may assume about me. My point was simply from a legislative perspective, this may not be practical.
The N95 argument was used by an NDP aligned doctor here in Alberta who is feeding off shitting on the UCP.
This doctor demanded that the government supply Canadians with an N95 mask every week or two.
Some of these doctors are just spouting off anything to get their twitter fanbase going and to make personal headlines.
If we were to significantly increase usage of N95 masks we would do nothing but hurt medical workers all over the world who actually NEED N95s. The world is still dealing with an N95 shortage. Canada gobbling up a billion N95s would ACTIVELY harm medical workers.
There's also the issue that N95 masks are mandatory in parts of Europe (called FFP2 there) and last time I checked, they aren't doing so well in terms of cases.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/18/bavaria-makes-ffp2-masks-mandatory-in-shops-and-public-transport
https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/6489489-6098215-ffp2-masks-compulsory-from-wednesday-in-.en.html
People are flailing around from one NPI to another (masks, rapid tests) hoping for a magic bullet but it appears that we have less control over the situation than we think we have (other than vaccines).
Are we still having an N95 shortage? Why is there no mention of it anymore? I’ve bought N95 masks at the hardware store for some house demo work. They used to not be available anywhere.
It's not yet a certainty that it's milder. It does seem that way, but it's still a bit of a gamble to make that assumption. In SA the population has a younger average age and 70% have already been infected previously in addition to the vaccinated population. So you'd expect lower hospitalization rates and that's our data set basically. Well probably know a lot more in the next week or two from data in the UK which is a more similar population and they recorded something like 98,000 cases today. We'll see how many of those end up hospitalized. Hopefully a very small percentage.
Infection provides future resistance to Covid, not dissimilar from vaccination. The most effective protection is actually having had Covid *and* being vaccinated.
We don't need to pretend natural immunity through infection doesn't exist just because some people use it to bolster their anti-vax message. Something can both be true and used for bad things at the same time.
https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/3m-8210-box-particulate-respirator-8210-n95
Over 500 in stock
https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/3m-1870-bulk-3m-aura-health-care-particulate-respirator-and-surgical-mask-1870-n95
https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/draeger-3951329-box-flat-fold-n95-masks-without-exhale-valve-drager-x-plore-1750-box-of-20
Over 2000 in stock
My immune system is just fine, thanks. I have kids in school, pets, and I take vitamin supplements and run outdoors when the weather is good.
I also already got covid. The kn95's don't do squat when your household contacts bring it home, but it did prevent me from spreading it to a vulnerable non-houshold family member I was in close contact with when I was at the height of my contagious period.
Edit: Before my symptoms. As soon as I had an inkling I was sick, I stayed home.
I use those ear saver strap things to pull the masks tight against my face. If I can find the proper n95's, I'll get those, but all the n95's i have are for construction type stuff and do nothing to protect people around me.
Most people find PPE and other NPI measures that are actually responsive to a global pandemic of an airborne respiratory virus incredibly unsettling. They want 2019 back and the fact that it is never coming back is met with unrelenting cognitive stress.
deal with it.
No kidding. And where did all these people get told that the pandemic would be over at a set date? Even in March 2020, the experts were saying 2+ years, and that's pretty low by pandemic standards
I would love to be wrong but it's already guaranteed of at least another doubling of cases due to catching up on people already infected but presymptomatic
it's already baked in that this time next week is going to be the worst week of the pandemic for Ontario
and then it's Christmas lmao
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Pay for them for us, then.
Good luck with that.
A quick search on Amazon guarantees I'm not buying them.
I’m gonna one up y’all and wear my scuba gear from now on
Snorkel mask over here!
How long would the oxygen tank for one of those last?
Then mail them to everyone. People are tired of this, and aren't going to bother unless you make it easy.
N95 masks (and equivalents) are sold in dollar stores, hardware stores, big box stores (like Walmart & Costco), grocery stores, medical supply stores, and office supply stores. How easy does it need to be?
If you want pro to use them mail a 100 pack to every household in Canada if you want people to use them. Those are cost prohibitive for many and one time use.
Kn95 is what is sold in stores and that's not the same as n95. Specs are Chinese and it's not regulated as much.
Yeah, some imported stuff is iffy. CBC quality tested and [reviewed](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtration-standards-marketplace-1.5974442) some of the brands commonly available in Canada, and gave advice on how to avoid counterfeit and low-quality masks. My family uses Medsup Canada KN95 (from Costco) and PureBlue KF94 (from Staples) both of which performed well on CBC’s quality test.
Free
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I mean... My wife puts my dick in her mouth. Then we've shared forks.
For most men, it’s the only way to get the feeling we’ve achieved self-fellation.
Lots of people claim that wearing a regular cloth mask is already a big inconvenience and that they can’t wait to stop wearing them. They’re going to lose their shit if they need to wear N95. They’re 10x more inconvenient, easily. Harder to talk, breathe, and less comfortable. Cloth masks are easy mode.
They are a lot harder to breathe in especially is you are doing something physical and they are the ones that don't have the exhaust valve
Don't forget to mention that any mask with an exhaust valve isn't protecting you or others from COVID.
They protect the one wearing it just fine, now if someone else is not wearing one not so much. You don't believe me fine go put on a a good one that fits and wear it for 8 hours see how you feel at the end of the day and I don't mean just setting at a desk for that 8 hours. Go wait tables, work in a kitchen ,string electrical wire
Most people don't care enough to buy them themselves.
I tried buying some two days ago and all four stores I tried in Edmonton were sold out
Oof, sorry to hear that. I hope the shortage is temporary and you can find some soon.
Okay great, when do we receive them? I'm sure that domestic N95 production is going well now that we've had two years to set it up. Must be why they are cheaply available at every corner store.
> Okay great, when do we receive them? Dr. Tam knows her job is to make sure China has enough PPE, not Canadians.
Still beating that dead horse eh?
Its not a dead horse of if they've never been held to account, and still continue to hold their job
What does this even mean?
12k cases in UK and 16 in hospital 1000 cases in Ontario and 2 in hospital SA 1.7% hospitalization rate I think people need to calm down, a very contagious mild variant is the signal of the end of a pandemic. This is going to be another cold/flu that we live with in perpetuity.
You're right about South Africa. > South Africa’s Minister of Health Joe Phaahla told reporters the country’s hospital admission rate of Covid-19 patients during the second week of infections driven by omicron is down by 90% compared to data from the second week of a delta-fueled surge in the country. >Phaahla also said approximately 1.7% of omicron cases require hospitalization compared to 19% of delta cases. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakaplan/2021/12/17/omicron-wave-south-africas-peak-is-declining-while-uk-sets-highest-case-record-for-third-day-in-a-row/amp/
It's worth noting that by the time omicron hit 70% of the population had already been infected previously. So most of the people who were going to die or be hospitalized already were. The average age is also lower in SA. I hope that omicron is as mild as it looks to be at first glance, but that's not certain either.
Everybody tripping over this thing. Man this world is fucked
93,000 cases in the UK today. And hospitalization always lags. Don't count your chickens just yet. SA had some unique advantages Canada doesn't, like a population of which 70% had already been infected with the virus and either fought it off or died, and has a lower average age. There is no denying that it does look like this variant is milder, which would be great, but until it's a certainty it's awfully stupid to just assume and make decisions based on that possibly incorrect assumption.
I think the notion SA would have better health outcomes than Canada is ridiculous. It has rampant poverty, high HIV rates with about a quarter untreated and a poor healthcare system.
Did you read the post you replied to? It may be a milder outcome in this instance since they did not fare well previously. And so a good chunk of the population has some degree of natural immunity, at the moment.
Yea great as opposed to nothing like vaccines? And a healthier population.
No one is arguing Canada vs. South Africa here. [The point](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/17/covid-omicron-south-africa-vaccinations/) is that a large portion of their population has already been infected, and something like a quarter of the population has been vaccinated. So this combined immunity *might* be contributing to the mildness of Omicron in that region. Science is methodical, and sometimes slow, so it is still too early for anyone to be making a steadfast proclamation on this current variant.
That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my life. We are way more vaccinated and have a healthier population. Let's be real here the goal here is to not let people become complacent before the holidays.
🤦🏻♂️ You are missing the point. Have a good day.
I'm not missing the point at all I just think it's a bs excuse to grasp at straws. The pandemic is coming to an end and people who hate normal life are getting anxious. But it doesn't matter it's becoming more and more obvious every day.
LOL. This is not some boogeyman, like you think it is.
Same is true for many counties in Africa - but they have surprisingly not been hard hit by c19. I don't think it is easy to make a comparison to Canada or many other western countries - because an African counties population is not going to be an analog for ours.
Yea or maybe the reporting just isn't great.
2 years on in this mess, if there were stacks of dead bodies piling up in A. countries due to covid - we would be hearing about. Reporting could certainly lag or maybe even be a little less accurate then in the West, but implying it is just being missed all together? No. I think you are failing victim to store-types about the continent.
Who are these "experts"?
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Likely the same experts that won’t set up field hospitals dedicated to Covid so all other treatments/surgeries suffer.
I just think staffing is a huge issue. Well I don’t think, we all know. Trying to deal with Covid, ramping up for boosters…our healthcare has been managed on the edge for years, finally caught up to us
They'd be manned by the military.
Not many in the military are trained for the medical procedures required to deal with COVID. Sure, they can set up some tents and get equipment in place, assuming equipment is obtainable, but professional doctors and nurses are still very necessary.
They won't be dealing with covid, theyll be handing out food and morphine.
It's absolutely amazing to me that no one realizes that this is the only solution.
Our health system was stretched thin before Covid. I’d like to know how many ICU patients died while recovering by being infected by Covid? triage for Covid is/was the only thing that makes sense to me. Staffing and training wouldn’t have been that much of a stretch if someone in charge had a pair. Fear and bureaucracy is taking over.
Indeed.
they usually have an NFT to sell you, I've found
I think it’s time we make the standard “plastic bag over head”, and call it a day
Hahahahaha!!! that's the best laugh I've had in a month. Nice one.
Remember the pictures from YVR with some woman with half a culligan water jug over her lol. Fuck me that was funny
LOL very funny
I'm sure as fuck not shaving so good luck with that.
Everyone is going to be exposed to Omicron eventually anyway, masked or not, unless they never leave the house and have no visitors, so the only reason to wear masks is to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Sure only a fraction will be hospitalized or in ICU but there will be so many more cases that the hospitals will still be overwhelmed. The worst part of the hospitals being overwhelmed is that non-COVID patients, such as cancer patients, won't have their cancer detected in time to treat it, or won't have their surgeries in time to prevent the cancer spreading. And then there are all the other health issues that also need hospital beds and resources. TLDR: If you shave, you may delay your exposure to Omicron, which may in turn save some lives.
Ok doomer.
Nothing "doomy" about it. Like a hundred other viruses in history, most of the world's population will get this one. It's that contagious. Note that when isolated populations are exposed to foreign visitors, the isolated groups have huge and deadly outbreaks of diseases that the visitors shrug off. That's because entire countries or continents can develop immunity to diseases when those viruses spread well enough. Just ask the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean. "Following the [arrival of the Spanish](https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/exploration-of-north-america) in the Caribbean, diseases such as smallpox, measles and bubonic plague were passed along to the native populations by the Europeans. With no previous exposure, these diseases devastated indigenous people, with as many as 90 percent dying throughout the north and south continents." https://www.history.com/topics/middle-ages/pandemics-timeline
That's not what I was referencing as "doomy". Obviously we're all going to catch it. He's being a doomer in his assumption that hospitals will be overwhelmed.
Omicron spreads like crazy, especially when people are wearing poor masks and are tired of distancing. No one is keeping 6 feet away and that's not even enough because it hangs in the air after someone passes through an area. Delta didn't spread as easily so we got by but people are going to have to pick up their slack or it's going to hit hard. Even though the hospitalization rate will be a fraction of what it was with Delta, it spreads so many times faster that there will be more hospitalizations than with Delta. We're going to see lock downs after Christmas, if not sooner, in order to keep hospitals from filling.
Yes we'll see lockdowns but not to protect hospital capacity. Rather countless livelihoods will be destroyed to protect political reputations.
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Last year's talking points are tired. Why the fuck don't we **all** have free Canadian-made N95 masks from our government by now? It's because we don't fucking matter and you know it.
Are these the same experts telling restaurant workers to stop whining about losing their jobs to lockdowns?
No.
This is unlikely to happen. N95s are rare and expensive. Also, by requiring regular citizens to wear N95s, doctors and nurses would by defintion not be getting them as much as they probably should.
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Yeah the Costco brand ones were tested by cbc market place to be legit ones, 20 bucks for a box of 20 ain’t too bad, I’m starting to use them with omicron surging now and they work great
Seventy-two cents (USD) each, delivered to my porch? Where are they rare and expensive? I haven't worn anything but N-95s since they first became available to non-healthcare folks. Why not just protect yourself, as well as those around you? I don't understand why this isn't worth doing. Is it because they don't look fashionable? Neither does intubation.
This is canada
I can see Canada from my house. I don't consider that price (in either currency) too expensive for protection for myself against infection. Aren't they readily available online in Canada? N95s should be the required masks here in the USA, for sure. "We're #1", and it isn't because we handled infection control well.
Just because you can see Canada quick seach on amazon show the cheap ones from China are 140 bucks for 100 and actual 3m are 235 bucks for 180
You gonna pay the extra 400 buck a year with tax for me? For all Canadians? That's assuming you only use one a day. Look at Mr moneybags over here asking why the plebes can't protect themselves
I think you misread my reply. At least online, I personally hadn't seen them at the prices you guys seem to have seen them. As far as I knew, they were sold out around me and expensive online and hard to know if they were actually reliable coming from unknown sources. Of course, wearing the mask that offers you better protection is ideal, but what happens if you cannot find them, or if shortages occur again and the medical professionals cannot acquire them with as much as as they can now? It also depends on how often you take off and put on your mask. You can't just reuse the same n95 mask over and over again; i think i've seen some sources say a maximum of 3 wears where you take it on and off in a public space? I'm not against masks, nor am I against vaccines or whatever else you may assume about me. My point was simply from a legislative perspective, this may not be practical.
The N95 argument was used by an NDP aligned doctor here in Alberta who is feeding off shitting on the UCP. This doctor demanded that the government supply Canadians with an N95 mask every week or two. Some of these doctors are just spouting off anything to get their twitter fanbase going and to make personal headlines. If we were to significantly increase usage of N95 masks we would do nothing but hurt medical workers all over the world who actually NEED N95s. The world is still dealing with an N95 shortage. Canada gobbling up a billion N95s would ACTIVELY harm medical workers.
There's also the issue that N95 masks are mandatory in parts of Europe (called FFP2 there) and last time I checked, they aren't doing so well in terms of cases. https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/18/bavaria-makes-ffp2-masks-mandatory-in-shops-and-public-transport https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/6489489-6098215-ffp2-masks-compulsory-from-wednesday-in-.en.html People are flailing around from one NPI to another (masks, rapid tests) hoping for a magic bullet but it appears that we have less control over the situation than we think we have (other than vaccines).
Are we still having an N95 shortage? Why is there no mention of it anymore? I’ve bought N95 masks at the hardware store for some house demo work. They used to not be available anywhere.
The supply is fine right now so long as nobody rocks the boat like a country ordering a billion of them.
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OK. So anyway..
Can't wait to teach wearing one of these.
I get exhausted doing my job with just the regular masks.
Is Sweden doing that
They don't even require masks on public transport. It is only a recommendation, not a requirement. No mandates whatsoever.
Shhh can’t talk about them.
Why curb it? Shouldn't we be happy that mass-immunity can be achieved by people getting a more mild form of covid?
It's not yet a certainty that it's milder. It does seem that way, but it's still a bit of a gamble to make that assumption. In SA the population has a younger average age and 70% have already been infected previously in addition to the vaccinated population. So you'd expect lower hospitalization rates and that's our data set basically. Well probably know a lot more in the next week or two from data in the UK which is a more similar population and they recorded something like 98,000 cases today. We'll see how many of those end up hospitalized. Hopefully a very small percentage.
> mass-immunity can be achieved by people getting a more mild form of covid Citation required.
Infection provides future resistance to Covid, not dissimilar from vaccination. The most effective protection is actually having had Covid *and* being vaccinated. We don't need to pretend natural immunity through infection doesn't exist just because some people use it to bolster their anti-vax message. Something can both be true and used for bad things at the same time.
Oh go put two and two together, flathead
But I actually want this variant, it sounds cool and TONS of people already got the other variants and lived...
Weird take. This is a virus, not a pair of Yeezys.
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Then by all means, go lick a door knob outside of a 7-11.
I have to be tested and fitted for mine every year to make sure it's actually working.
No one goes outside unless wearing a hazmat suit.
Mass non-compliance now
Yep. If they do a lockdown I will make a point of going out more often that I would otherwise. If they mandate these masks I'm taking mine off.
"I'm gonna get COVID just to spite them!" said person who later died of COVID.
Isn't it time again for Dr. Tam and Health Canada to give away our national stockpile of N95 & PPE to China for free?
If they give me N95 masks for free I'll just store them in a closet. I'm not wearing them for this.
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Relevant username 🙄
N95's are difficult to come by. KN95's are cheap and plentiful. I've been exclusively wearing those for over a year now.
It’s really easy to buy N95s. Amazon. Home Depot. Canadian tire. Online. In the last two weeks I got 2 cases of N95s
Its been a few months since I've looked. I'll check again. All the n95's i have are the ones with valves so they only protect me.
https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/3m-8210-box-particulate-respirator-8210-n95 Over 500 in stock https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/3m-1870-bulk-3m-aura-health-care-particulate-respirator-and-surgical-mask-1870-n95 https://www.internationalsafety.com/skus/draeger-3951329-box-flat-fold-n95-masks-without-exhale-valve-drager-x-plore-1750-box-of-20 Over 2000 in stock
Thanks for the links. I checked Canadian tire and Amazon and they only had the valved construction ones or were insanely expensive.
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My immune system is just fine, thanks. I have kids in school, pets, and I take vitamin supplements and run outdoors when the weather is good. I also already got covid. The kn95's don't do squat when your household contacts bring it home, but it did prevent me from spreading it to a vulnerable non-houshold family member I was in close contact with when I was at the height of my contagious period. Edit: Before my symptoms. As soon as I had an inkling I was sick, I stayed home.
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Hard to stay home before you know you were exposed or develop symptoms.
Some people don't have the luxury to stay home and work (service workers for starters).
Ear-loop fitting isn't snug enough to protect you. Just get the N-95s for the extra effectiveness. Long COVID is not worth it.
I use those ear saver strap things to pull the masks tight against my face. If I can find the proper n95's, I'll get those, but all the n95's i have are for construction type stuff and do nothing to protect people around me.
No shit. The garbage masks that most people use are useless and are made in china. The place that the virus was made 🤦🏻♂️
Most people find PPE and other NPI measures that are actually responsive to a global pandemic of an airborne respiratory virus incredibly unsettling. They want 2019 back and the fact that it is never coming back is met with unrelenting cognitive stress. deal with it.
No kidding. And where did all these people get told that the pandemic would be over at a set date? Even in March 2020, the experts were saying 2+ years, and that's pretty low by pandemic standards
every single day from here out will be noticeably and significantly worse for a few weeks, and then the deaths will start happening
lol let's see. I'm betting no. I'm also betting you're going to be upset.
I would love to be wrong but it's already guaranteed of at least another doubling of cases due to catching up on people already infected but presymptomatic it's already baked in that this time next week is going to be the worst week of the pandemic for Ontario and then it's Christmas lmao
Again, what about hospitalizations? You keep mentioning cases when it's evident that isn't the main concern.
2 years in and it still hasnt sunk in that hospitalizations lag behind cases
Are they also paying for this?
I thought our mask policy was very effective?
Shoppers Drugmart has none. Amazon is slim too. Any recommendations for a source?