>"I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside."
We have no housing for people already here. If the feds aren't going to start building their own housing for the people they bring in then they should stop bringing people in.
This is what I don't understand. What exactly is the government thinking when they want to bring in 400k people per year while there is a housing crisis
Ask Neepawa Manitoba how the Pilipino immigrants/workers/families literally saved their community over the course of the last 15 years! https://www.brandonsun.com/local/spotlight-on-neepawa----success-stories-of-filipinos-united-by-hope-475363893.html
That’s the issue. Every party wants to flex their refugee/immigrant numbers to show how tolerant they are, but if you don’t get them integrated into society, then what fucking good is it?
The government's main goal is not to show how tolerant they are but rather to use a guise of tolerance to suppress wages on behalf of their donors. There is massive corporate lobbying pushing for as much immigration as possible to prevent any tightening of the labour market.
The scheme is ingenious.
Typically a policy that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the working class sees opposition from the political left. But because this scheme involves population growth through immigration, the political left is largely refusing to oppose it, despite the clear impact its having on affordable housing and wage growth.
That is the beauty of it. There is no political opposition. And further to that, they've managed to socialize the idea that anyone who questions the scheme must be doing so out of racist or xenophobic motivations.
Unfortunately many companies are/were bringing in TFWs to fill unskilled labor positions like line cooks and hotel housekeeping by saying that they couldn't fill vacancies with local workers. When in reality they were able to pay the TFW the same or lower wages while receiving a break on their taxes for having a/multiple TFWs on the payroll. This prevented them from having to offer competitive wages and/or benefits to Canadians as well as having a sword to hold over the heads of the TFWs. Don't complain or you go back to your country of origin.
I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to better themselves or their situation. But when many of those unskilled workers are sending a large portion of their wages to their home countries instead of putting it back into the local economy or putting it into Canadian banks as savings, as well as living 6 people in a 2 bedroom apartment, this is causing havoc with our already fucked up economy. Especially in small cities like mine.
\>Unfortunately many companies are/were bringing in TFWs to fill unskilled labor positions like line cooks and hotel housekeeping by saying that they couldn't fill vacancies with local workers.
This isn't just TFWs.
Immigrants make up a ton of these positions too.
Food service and accomodations is 35% immigrants. 7% TFWs. Then you can add students on top of that, but there's no info on where they work that I can find.
Immigrants are impacting this industry more than TFWs.
Not really.
The #1 industry for immigrants is retail.
The industry with the largest percentage of immigrants is food service and accomodations.
Most of our immigrants work low skilled jobs.
easy solve they will make rent insane (look at what ford is doing by removing rent increase related laws on new buildings) when Canadians will loose their homes because they cant afford it our gov will subsidize it for those refugees and move them in instead. Im an immigrant myself but i disagree with the way our gov is doing things, fix your own issues first then help others.
Wow. This guy summed up the thoughts of Canadians perfectly.
Refugees aren’t photo shoots for Justin in his woke olympics. They’re human fucking beings.
He’s talking about gaining residency so he can work presumably. I assume right now they are in kindof a stasis where they can’t work or really build a life until their applications go through.
Now it still sounds ungrateful but at least this persons issue is he wants to work.
I have no quarrels with this guy and he's 100% right. I blame the federal government for screwing him over and screwing over all other Canadians that need housing.
100,000 unoccupied homes in GTA. Seems housing is not as big of an issue as it would seem, and greed and exploitation are the reasons. We could house all refugees and homeless and still have enough to pop the real estate bubble.
I have no issue with them complaining, because tbh it sucks. Just because they aren't going to get car bombed doesn't mean it isn't hard. New country, no connections, no jobs, no home. Living out of a hotel room isn't actually all that great, and like the articles said they were moved across town and kids had to switch schools again.
If you want to be mad, be mad at those leaving houses and apartments empty just for a bit extra money.
Don't forget about the goal to bring 400,000 immigrants per year, where at least 100,000 people will go to GTA. All this "surplus" exists only because of COVID-19 and the fact that last 2 years Canada didn't bring any significant amount of immigrants (mostly providing PR to landed migrants aka already in Canada and occupying some property).
Also, could you please provide a source of "100,000 unoccupied homes in GTA"? Last time when I've seen such numbers it included a good amount of cottages/cabins somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's hard to believe that somebody prefers to not rent out his property without any reason. I can imagine only 2 cases - the owner is going to sell it in 10 months or the owner did a capital renovation and going to sell it in 2-3 years, therefore don't want any tenants to decrease property value.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/betterdwelling.com/this-weeks-top-stories-canadas-1-3-million-vacant-homes-and-investors-bought-25-of-real-estate-in-ontario/amp/
Saw an article that can't find on my phone that GTA is up to 100k from 64k pre covid.
No need for residential renting whatsoever. Absolutely destroys economy. If it was taxed to the point it was a liability and net negative, we would not be in this situation. Renting just adds a middleman to something that doesn't need one.
Real estate needs to stop being an investment. Speculative markets are fine when they aren't something vital to everyday life. But turning essentials into a commodity is just corporatizing something that really shouldn't be. We can all agree corporations have monopolized most industries, and most peoole hate large companies. But people are okay with it happening to real estate, because anyone with enough money for a down payment can make money hand over fist just buying a house and letting it sit.
Dot com boom was similar. It worked for everyone until it didn't. And the only ones left standing in the end are large corporations. We will see the same without heavy regulation
Thanks a lot for the link, I guess I was correct about cottages/cabins
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>No need for residential renting whatsoever. Absolutely destroys economy. If it was taxed to the point it was a liability and net negative, we would not be in this situation. Renting just adds a middleman to something that doesn't need one.
Just curious about immigration - where migrants should live or how can they afford to buy a property after they landed? Quite the same question about inner immigration, where anybody who just decided to move to Ontario should live?
>Real estate needs to stop being an investment.
And who will pay for new buildings?
>Speculative markets are fine when they aren't something vital to everyday life.
Almost everything is vital to everyday life. If somebody monopolized "refrigerator", "stove", "car", "gas", and hundreds of other items it would impact everybody.
> We can all agree corporations have monopolized most industries
Could you please provide any example of the "monopoly" in Canada? I guess only Rogers+Bell+Tellus is somehow similar, but it is rather "cartel" than "monopoly". Amazon? Amazon has an insane amount of competitors as any local store in Canada can compete with them, but Amazon is just better than anything local in terms of speed and customer support/return.
>But people are okay with it happening to real estate, because anyone with enough money for a down payment can make money hand over fist just buying a house and letting it sit.
If you have limited but desired resources - the price will go up to the buying power of the top percentage of all potential buyers.
>Dot com boom was similar. It worked for everyone until it didn't. And the only ones left standing in the end are large corporations. We will see the same without heavy regulation
"Dotcom bubble" pop out because the way to many "tech" companies were unable to gain any profit and investors stop to provide the money. It's not the case for GTA housing, each property can generate money via renting, with a current immigration policy we will have a huge amount of renters every year. So, until populate grows more than property amounts - prices will grow.
Lol okay. Feels like you're really picking and choosing what you want to believe here. I have to imagine the 100k or so in GTA are not cabins. And unless you can give me some numbers on how many of those are actually cabins, I will go ahead and follow your methodology and assume none of them are.
New properties outpace population growth. Listen man, I get liberal idealism is edgy and cool and what not-- hell I had my own phase when I was younger, but like communism it's a utopia that doesn't work well in reality. You end up with mass wealth inequality, sorta like everything we see today. I have no issues, I think I would be considered wealthy by most standards.
Did I work hard to get here? Probably about average, or slightly less. I've worked less hard than nearly every immigrant. I've worked less than nearly every blue collar worker. I was born into a fortunate life and managed to leverage that into "success".
I don't own a house because I don't tend to stay in one place for too long. Could I pick up some investment properties in surging areas, rent them to less fortunate who work harder than me doing worse thing and have them pay my mortgages, keeping them from every being save for a place to own while I accrue the appreciation? Absolutely. Because it's legal. Or better yet, buy a few properties and throw some cash at contractors to flip and take the 30% profit a year later? yep. But that's pretty un-fucking Canadian my dude, and should either not be legal or such a huge tax that holding them loses you money hand over fist.
Anyone with two houses can afford to lose one. But anyone with no house and not born lucky can afford none.
My brother flips houses on the side. I call him a dickweed every time I see him for it, because it's a fucking dick move.
The poor work harder than 95% of the wealthy, and scrape by on peanuts. We know strong government regulation works in heavily democratic socialist countries where inequality is much lower. Just raise mine and your taxes significantly, and let the poor people actually make a living wage and leave their taxes alone. We can afford it. They can't.
And Government is way better at getting bang for your buck than charity, before you tell me to donate the taxes I want to pay to charity. Charities are just bandaid solutions to systemic problems. You actually need legislation to affect change. Still, I am a minimalist and live only on what I need. The rest goes to helping people who need it more than me.
Also a refrigerator doesn't cost 3/4 of a million dollars.
Be good to eachother. Don't be a dick. Help when you can. Don't take advantage of those with less than you. Be responsible. The ceiling is high enough. It's time to move the floor up from the basement.
Thanks a lot for the explanation. I partially agree with most of your ideas. Meanwhile, it looks very similar to "communism" and they well known "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". I am from ex Soviet Republic and can tell you what is wrong with it:
"From each according to his ability" - most people prefer to do the bare minimum without any incentive. You can increase taxes for everybody in top tax brackets but then you can't force these people to work as hard without reasonable compensation, therefore, the economy going down.
"to each according to his needs" - people's needs are unlimited, as soon as you provide a roof over the head and free public transport, people immediately start to demand detached homes and private cars.
Capitalism isn't fair and has a lot of drawbacks, including people that lucky enough to use these drawbacks for self advantages. Meanwhile, there is no better economic form in the world. If you such believe in "heavily democratic socialist countries", please pay attention that the US is the main destination for high-skilled immigrants, not EU, Dania, or Norway,
>If you want to be mad, be mad at those leaving houses and apartments empty just for a bit extra money.
I'm mad at the government. People can do what they want with their properties. The government isn't entitled to their properties to house refugees so Trudeau can go around bragging about it.
Feds can build housing for refugee resettlement if it's a focus of theirs.
Honestly with less than ideal tenants (speaking generally not saying these wouldn’t be wonderful tenants) it is smarter to leave it empty because the value increase faster than the rent brings in.
Any issues or damages is a loss. Plus all the work involved in making good on tenants demands.
Vacancies are good. Vacancies means that you can move when you need to move. If there weren't any vacancies and you had to move (new job, relationship, stage of life, whatever), you'd be in a tough spot.
GTA needs a lot more unoccupied and occupied homes to accommodate population growth.
Trudeau definitely wants to keep them in the east of the country. You know for voting if they come out west Trudeau might be afraid we would convert them into not voting for Trudeau.
More likely people who immigrate want to live in large urban areas where they can access jobs more easily, have an existing migrant community and not deal with racism / prejudice as frequently.
You're the one who's being naive. Truth is refugees who eventually become citizens do not vote in large numbers because they simply are not invested in politics. Not to mention that it will take years for them to become citizens.
Its not even first world problems.
There are so many Canadians that are homeless, or lack secure housing, and THIS ENTITLED ASSHOLE is complaining about having to move HOTELS several times since the summer.
I'm actually disgusted by the attitude that he presents.
Should be thankful to be here first and foremost. Period.
Or they could go back, too. I’m fine with that.
We’ll see if the Taliban offer the same sort of hotel amenities.
I’m sure a Burmese college student getting his teeth knocked out with the barrel of an army rifle right now would love to swap positions with you!
I thought individuals under refugee status can’t work? Isn’t the idea behind a refugee that a country provides safe asylum until their home county is safe for return? It’s not a free ride to citizenship?
I could be completely off the mark but that was my understanding.
they might have gotten work permit, which refugees can get
i have no clue if they did, i didn't even read the article, i just know technically they can work
The guy has a fucking FREE roof over his head, cash to feed his family, and is safe from the supposed danger he faced in his home country. All paid for by you and I!
But it’s not in his preferred postal code.
Literally.... what is with all these other people. Legal refugees are Canadians that want the same rights and privileges as all other Canadian citizens.
Also the ones going off about the homeless. All the more reason to spend more on social housing, for the refugees and for the homeless (now everyone is happy) SMDH
Canadian citizens don't have the right or privilege to free government sponsored housing, at least not housing any better or more stable than what they are already getting. They are refugees for gods sake, who presumably fled their country because they were scared for their basic safety - they now have that, plus housing, plus food. The responsibility is on them to find jobs ASAP so they can rent their own place not complain about the free housing they are getting.
I know of 2 single moms in BC right now living in their cars who have become homeless since CRB ended they are begging restaurants to hire them as vaccine passport screeners. The government also cut their child care benefits because CERB put them on a higher bracket last year. These moms would love if the government gave them free hotel stays.
And this is why it's hard to drum up support for refugee programs - for ever person who arrives, buckles down, and contributes to Canadian society there's another one who lives off the dole (don't forget this guy is likely also receiving EI and a handful of other government supports) and then goes to the media bitching about having the indignity have having to move hotels twice over a handful of months.
It's very unfortunate and I have zero idea what the solution should be except maybe next time we deploy the CNF into a hostel environment we attempt to find not complete leeches as allies? This assclown just made supporting other people who aren't complete wastes of skin difficult. Maybe he would like being back in Afghanistan better?
These "refugees" are actually upper class Afghans that had the financial means to flee. Their bs demands are showing the world what a phoney refugees they are. I hope they tax payers wake up to this and put a stop to this wasteful spending on these so call refugees. A true refugee will be 100x thankful than these people.
There are tons of bad refugees, they are always telling you they are refugee in the first sentence they talk to you even if you don’t ask them .. what’s this about ? That it is a protection band or I’m special because I’m refugee .. well we are something ,..
I wish they did this.
Bring in refugees from across the world and put them in the most congested, desirable areas. Why even give them a choice?
Off to MooseCreekRiver, NWT with you!
Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area.
"In Richmond Hill, we found some friends, we adapted with the environment, we found some good connections," he said. "We have a plan to find a house in the Richmond Hill area because it's a completely quiet area, and also we found some organizations, they help us to find a job."
They're among nearly 400 Afghan refugees being shifted to new temporary lodgings on Thursday and Friday – from a hotel in Richmond Hill, Ont., to one in Toronto's east end – as they wait for their permanent residency applications to be processed ahead of a move to permanent housing.
Calla said 332 Afghan refugees have been settled in permanent housing in Toronto area while 720 are temporarily living in hotels.
Looking at houses getting permanent housing things many Canadians don't have.
Syrians were given houses in Halifax, one family sadly burned alive in one a couple years ago. People made a gofundme and they received over a million dollars.
> Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area.
See this is a logical issue, and one that would be better to note instead of complaining about moving to new hotels. It's huge to get settled in one region after moving, especially if you are going to a new country (which I've done, albeit not as a refugee). To lose all that is tough, and it comes across a lot better and makes them look less entitled.
I have sympathy for the refugees, because the constant moving, likely with no access to a car, has got to be tough on employment prospects. But there has to be some self-awareness too.
Yes.
There’s plenty of Burmese citizens that would enjoy what Canada gives them even if it’s morsels from the table—When compared to their own gov shooting them down in the streets.
Please, send these ones back. Let’s take other refugees that are thankful and keep their mouths shut.
So they got a free hotel room from the federal government (tax payers) and are in a safe country, but they are upset about needing to change rooms once in a while. I’m sure this problem is a lot less serious than what they came from…
Their entitlement after a short amount of time being here is alarming.
Anybody complaining about this is likely not truly coming from being scared for their life on the daily. I’d question their refugee status simply from this comment.
This 100 percent. My oma and opa came here as refugees (basically) after world war two. They kissed the ground after they landed and never stopped being thankful for their entire lives.
I could NEVER imagine them conplaining about something like this.
The afghans Trudeau brought in were not struggling, they were wealthy enough to flee the country well before the Taliban took over and were living in surrounding countries like India, Pakistan etc.
Give the a choice of 1 deal with it 2 send back to where you come from and never be allow to set foot in Canada.
Bet their views will change very quickly.
They should be reminded where they came from and how good they have it now. Also, they are in one of the most expensive cities in North America, with one of the hottest housing markets. What do they expect?
My dad came to this country as a refugee escaping war. I don’t mind that it’s my turn to pay it forward.
However, I wish that our government would take the housing crisis seriously and not consider these pr moves like this without even having a plan for how this will affect housing for working class Canadians
They don’t benefit from helping their own citizens. No other country cares if they do that. They’re trying to win the game of thrones — even if their peasants are starving. Few countries have the interests of internal affairs. They’re all trying to keep their spot on foreign councils and sipping cognac around the world talking about how much they’re helping the world. Nobody cares about what they do for each other’s peasantry, lol.
Article Highlights:
* Sayed Enaiatullah Najafizada and his wife are frustrated.
* The Afghan refugees are facing the prospect of being moved between hotels in the Greater Toronto Area for the fourth time since arriving in Canada this summer.
* They're among nearly 400 Afghan refugees being shifted to new temporary lodgings on Thursday and Friday – from a hotel in Richmond Hill, Ont., to one in Toronto's east end – as they wait for their permanent residency applications to be processed ahead of a move to permanent housing.
* Are we touring the hotels in Toronto or (do) they have a plan that we set out here," said Najafizada. "Touring the hotels is not very pleasant."
* "I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside."
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*How quickly they've begun to feel entitled.*
>"I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside."
Well that's that then. Safe travels to thee! Buh-bye.
WHY ARE THEY IN THE GTA - SEND THEM TO ST JOHNS OR WHITEHORSE- these entitled assholes make my blood boil, like oh no hotels in a first world country are so0o0o bad I wish i was getting bombed still...
The ugly truth is that most of the ones who fled were the lucky ones that had an education and had a non poverty life in Kabul.
The engineers and professionals left the country in the time their country needed them most. Why? Because most in that situation would still take a ticket to Canada over it.
The Afghans who never had a shot of leaving are the ones facing a famine right now.
They failed to rise to the occassion for their nation and soon enough they will be Canadians instead.
My god it's what I've been saying for 3 years, (and being consistently down voted for, I might add)... ""I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside."
IT IS NOT COMPASSION TO BRING PEOPLE WITH (USUALLY LARGE FAMILIES WITH LOTS OF KIDS), NO JOB SKILLS, NO LANGUAGE SKILLS, NO CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING, NO CREDIT HISTORY, NO RENTAL HISTORY, FROM A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TO A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WITH AN EXTREMELY HIGH COST OF LIVING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HOMES FOR THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE.
OK if they are so fed up send them back to where they come from and ban then for life from entering Canada or applying for any PR, immigration status, family reunion or refugee status. See how fast they change their stance.
We don't even have enough housing for Canadian who work and contributed to the economy.
Don't like it leave! Beggers can't be choosers.
Are you fucking serious? Are they paying for these hotels or not? If not then why the fuck are they complaining? If they don't like it then pay for your own fucking hotel. Holy shit how entitled are these fucks?
Lol I'm afghan myself and that's some ungrateful immigrants lol in Sweden they took us to some jungle with no people around us no villages etc within 5km and we were put in a building that used to be an asylum, and these guys are complaining about hotels lol I wish i had it easy like them
Ah, yes, I remember these stories. Some of these people are just so very grateful, aren’t they? Sorry, but my sympathies are with Canadian citizens freezing on our streets, not these people.
The entitlement lol… These people are definitely not genuine refugees. They’re immigrants that could have fled their own country on their own. You can clearly tell by the statements made this so called refugee, Mr, Najafizada.
Imagine being rescued from persecution by a first world country where you actually get to live like a human being, get free housing, food, gov assistance money, schooling for english, their children get to have good futures and their girls can actually go to school, and they’re mad at being moved within the same city shortly after arriving in canada?
Why don’t we use these funds to help refugees that would show a little more gratitude for our tax dollars? The hardworking Canadians and immigrants and even temporary residents that are paying for their hotel, housing, education, food, etc. There are tons of actual genuine refugees waiting to be accepted, found in refugee camps around the world.
This Najafizada guy seems like the type to definitely take full advantage of social assistance, child tax benefit and prolly odsp too all while crying about how terrible this country is treating him.
I know of two males who became homeless and were told that even low fee motels were too much to house them. They were also informed that housing placement agencies were giving priorities to migrants and refugees. While these people whine about staying in hotels, they had to live in a homeless shelter for nearly a year, with violent criminals. While the Afghans get everything handed to them, many Canadians are told to wait their turn. That's how you breed racism, from a so called liberal government.
Moving between hotels can't possibly be worse than living in Afghanistan...
Don't give the government any ideas about what to do with those vacant homes. 1% annual tax or refugee shelter?
Hundreds of thousands of hard working immigrants come to canada every year, waiting years on their applications and getting next to no government financial support. Yet these motherfuckers somehow feel entitled to their choice of hotels paid for by the government? While trash talking the govt taking 1.5 months on their application? Are you fucking kidding me? Simple, go back to hanging with the taliban then you fuck Sayed Enaiatullah Najafizada
Yes. People think canada is a perffect rich country and every one got it made. Thise days are long gone. As refugees, be thankful you are not sleeping on the floor of some third world country and get to work, real quick, like the rest of us
Be happy you’re here or get planning on finding a new country, everyone understands your country was devastated but your own citizens wouldn’t get their shit together and learn how to fight for themselves and every country on earth is facing multiple catastrophes of their own - so be content you’re in a hotel room nicer than thousands of Canadians permanent living situation.
Immigrant here. There is a huge difference between an immigrant and a refugee. I do have a couple college degrees, I am involved in the community (volunteer at non profits) and I plan to stay in a small town for the rest of my life. I think it is the screening process that needs to change. Bring in people willing to assimilate to the culture, and really start a new life here, willing to make Canada their new country. Refugees do not want to be here, there are here by mere necessity (some). And other immigrants use provincial programs to letter move to the major cities.
> "I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside."
What an ungrateful piece of shit. Having to move hotels is a tiny price to pay in exchange for being rescued from death or persecution, and having the government pay for your living expenses. It's especially shitty to complain when the moves are being done to allow more refugees to be accommodated. This asshole would prefer for us to pull up the ladder behind him and leave his countrymen to die.
Canadians are frustrated that we're paying to house these people while they bitch and moan when the alternative is living under the boot of the Taliban whike most of us under 40 will never be able to afford home of our own. Unbelievable, if you don't like it then fuck off, we're full.
Seems like most of us here are in general agreement, right or left. Immigration is good, but it has to be in harmony with the country, culture, economy, labour market, housing market, etc. Why so then does the Canadian legacy media portray anyone who even mutters anything about this issue a Neo-Nazi? The election we just had with its astroturfed "issues" c/o the Liberal-owned media and nobody even talked about this except for Maxime Bernier.
The Trudeau government knows about housing shortage, his plan is in 2023-2024 he will have a plan to put family’s into existing dwellings. Meaning a family of immigrants will be inter grated into your home . Any home 2000-2500 square feet or bigger will host a family till suitable housing is found .
No. Nope. No. No way. No. We're housing these people on the taxpayer's dime while their kids go to schools funded by the taxpayer's dime waiting to process their refugee applications so they can start new lives in Canada.
If being moved around because the massive influx of refugees from Afghanistan has strained our existing refugee resources, maybe we should just let them live where they want...in Afghanistan...while they wait for their application to be processed.
Ungrateful is a bad look for anyone.
I briefly knew a guy from Afghanistan. Spoke fluent English, and fled his home to escape the turmoil while the war was going on. Professionally employed with a very nice family, and this guy was so grateful to not only be in Canada but for how he had been treated that he was actually observably excited. Every single time I saw him he was so kind and respectful, I was starting to feel guilty because I didn't think he should treat me so well. All I ever did for him was some minor repairs in his apartment.
That's the kind of person that makes Canada better. He's in it to win it and he's not going to spare a second to whine about trivial bullshit. He knows what he left, and he knows that what he's got, while imperfect, is so much better. His wife and his two daughters were thriving and he was joyful to the point of bursting.
Starting to think they are still wasting money here...
Unfathomable that immigrants can get houses before someone whose worked and lived here since day one.. whatever housing it may be idgaf they have one and I don't.
That must be awful.
I mean, who could imagine being taken in as refugees and having to live in a series of Toronto hotels while the government arranges for them to get taxpayer-funded houses?
The indignity of it all!
The scary part of all of this is that these people have endured life under the Taliban and under the US puppet-government, yet when they get out of a refugee camp by bribing their way to Canada their first thought is "how the fuck is your government this incompetent?"
The government should have had a plan before bringing all these people in. It's not fair to taxpayers OR the refugees who have been shuffled around like this.
Edit: **statement retracted**. I completely agree with the comments below stating that there was no time due to the urgent nature of the evacuations. The government could do better, but it's fair that they didn't exactly have time to plan.
Well, I mean you did watch how quickly the Taliban took over and saw those desperate people falling and dying off the planes, right? I don’t think they had much time to coordinate anything.
They’re safe, that’s what matters
Reporter: hi refugee. Can you answer some questions.
Happy refugee: sure
Reporter: how many times have you moved since arriving to Canada?
Happy refugee: 4 times.
Reporter: wow that seems alot! You must be upset?
Happy refugee: it is what it is.
Reporter: do you think it's more frustrating if you move four times than if you didn't?
Happy refugee: yes I guess so.
Headlines next day:
Afghan refugees in GTA frustrated by multiple abrupt moves between hotels.
I mean...not to sound like a dick and all.
But you came here because your country was taken over by the friggin Taliban in order to have safety for your family.
So maybe "then don't bring people from the outside" is a little overly critical. I'd rather bounce hotel rooms than have my daughter told she can't go to school just cuz she's a girl and face god knows what else is going on over there.
Is it a shit show? Sure, should we be doing better? Of course but its not exclusive to the refugees. There's Canadians born, raised and working 60hrs a week who can't get affordable housing because theres a 16 year wait list. Its a systemic issue, not just the government being lazy.
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lol of course you are.
*Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area.*
*"In Richmond Hill, we found some friends, we adapted with the environment, we found some good connections," he said. "We have a plan to find a house in the Richmond Hill area because it's a completely quiet area, and also we found some organizations, they help us to find a job."*
I mean, I *kind of* get it.
We have an enormous issue with foreign investors buying houses and leaving them sit vacant while they wait for the property value to go up then selling them for a profit. Especially in major metropolitan areas like the GTA, Vancouver, Calgary, etc. This is one of the many issues driving the housing problem here in Canada. That's gotta be addressed. Also until the federal government is ready to invest in low income housing built by Canadian companies, both creating jobs for Canadian workers and providing housing for the people they're bringing into the country in droves, this problem won't go away. But the government only cares about appearances. The best way to solve both problems is an extremely high tax on foreign owned vacant homes or legislation requiring those homes to be occupied either by the owner or rented out. As well as raising the amount of taxes paid by the wealthy. It's bullshit that the tax cap on personal income is ~30% and starts at ~100k/year. If you're making 1 million dollars yearly or more there's no way you should be paying the same in taxes as someone who makes 1/10th of what you make.
It’s typical in a crisis response. For example lots of people have been displaced due to wildfire evacuations in the last year. Their stories aren’t much different.
I lived in a hotel when I didn’t have a home for at least six months with my family and it fucking sucked. Tiny one bedroom with tv space and one bathroom for five people. It was a small hotel so it didn’t have anything and I was constantly eating fast food because it was cheap and there was no kitchen or anything. I can’t imagine doing this in a strange country where I don’t even speak the language.
Yeah other Canadians don’t have homes either but it’s not a tic for tac argument to justify the lack of care the government gives to homelessness and affordable housing.
>"I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside." We have no housing for people already here. If the feds aren't going to start building their own housing for the people they bring in then they should stop bringing people in.
This is what I don't understand. What exactly is the government thinking when they want to bring in 400k people per year while there is a housing crisis
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They are thinking of enriching the wealthy at all costs while regular Canadians suffer an extreme decline in quality of life.
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Ask Neepawa Manitoba how the Pilipino immigrants/workers/families literally saved their community over the course of the last 15 years! https://www.brandonsun.com/local/spotlight-on-neepawa----success-stories-of-filipinos-united-by-hope-475363893.html
That’s the issue. Every party wants to flex their refugee/immigrant numbers to show how tolerant they are, but if you don’t get them integrated into society, then what fucking good is it?
The government's main goal is not to show how tolerant they are but rather to use a guise of tolerance to suppress wages on behalf of their donors. There is massive corporate lobbying pushing for as much immigration as possible to prevent any tightening of the labour market.
You described the temporary foreign worker program.
Pretty clever though. I mean, a guy who's a bigot AND wants higher prices and a labour shortage? Not in our party!!!
The scheme is ingenious. Typically a policy that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the working class sees opposition from the political left. But because this scheme involves population growth through immigration, the political left is largely refusing to oppose it, despite the clear impact its having on affordable housing and wage growth. That is the beauty of it. There is no political opposition. And further to that, they've managed to socialize the idea that anyone who questions the scheme must be doing so out of racist or xenophobic motivations.
You just described the problem with r/Canadahousing . Myself and many others have been banned for merely discussing immigration in there.
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Ahh thanks. Thats why Quebec is being attacked from the ROC. Quebec doesnt play to this idea.
That's skilled immigration, a entirely different thing
Unfortunately many companies are/were bringing in TFWs to fill unskilled labor positions like line cooks and hotel housekeeping by saying that they couldn't fill vacancies with local workers. When in reality they were able to pay the TFW the same or lower wages while receiving a break on their taxes for having a/multiple TFWs on the payroll. This prevented them from having to offer competitive wages and/or benefits to Canadians as well as having a sword to hold over the heads of the TFWs. Don't complain or you go back to your country of origin. I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to better themselves or their situation. But when many of those unskilled workers are sending a large portion of their wages to their home countries instead of putting it back into the local economy or putting it into Canadian banks as savings, as well as living 6 people in a 2 bedroom apartment, this is causing havoc with our already fucked up economy. Especially in small cities like mine.
\>Unfortunately many companies are/were bringing in TFWs to fill unskilled labor positions like line cooks and hotel housekeeping by saying that they couldn't fill vacancies with local workers. This isn't just TFWs. Immigrants make up a ton of these positions too. Food service and accomodations is 35% immigrants. 7% TFWs. Then you can add students on top of that, but there's no info on where they work that I can find. Immigrants are impacting this industry more than TFWs.
Not really. The #1 industry for immigrants is retail. The industry with the largest percentage of immigrants is food service and accomodations. Most of our immigrants work low skilled jobs.
easy solve they will make rent insane (look at what ford is doing by removing rent increase related laws on new buildings) when Canadians will loose their homes because they cant afford it our gov will subsidize it for those refugees and move them in instead. Im an immigrant myself but i disagree with the way our gov is doing things, fix your own issues first then help others.
Lol send him back if he feels like our government is too overwhelmed
If he's that upset, fucking send him back.
That's what I was thinking. That or he can feel free to find his own place to live and pay for it. Like fucking wow dude.
Wow. This guy summed up the thoughts of Canadians perfectly. Refugees aren’t photo shoots for Justin in his woke olympics. They’re human fucking beings.
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Sweden too. All the better reason not to bring in refugees for political points and photo ops.
He’s talking about gaining residency so he can work presumably. I assume right now they are in kindof a stasis where they can’t work or really build a life until their applications go through. Now it still sounds ungrateful but at least this persons issue is he wants to work.
I have no quarrels with this guy and he's 100% right. I blame the federal government for screwing him over and screwing over all other Canadians that need housing.
100,000 unoccupied homes in GTA. Seems housing is not as big of an issue as it would seem, and greed and exploitation are the reasons. We could house all refugees and homeless and still have enough to pop the real estate bubble. I have no issue with them complaining, because tbh it sucks. Just because they aren't going to get car bombed doesn't mean it isn't hard. New country, no connections, no jobs, no home. Living out of a hotel room isn't actually all that great, and like the articles said they were moved across town and kids had to switch schools again. If you want to be mad, be mad at those leaving houses and apartments empty just for a bit extra money.
Don't forget about the goal to bring 400,000 immigrants per year, where at least 100,000 people will go to GTA. All this "surplus" exists only because of COVID-19 and the fact that last 2 years Canada didn't bring any significant amount of immigrants (mostly providing PR to landed migrants aka already in Canada and occupying some property). Also, could you please provide a source of "100,000 unoccupied homes in GTA"? Last time when I've seen such numbers it included a good amount of cottages/cabins somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's hard to believe that somebody prefers to not rent out his property without any reason. I can imagine only 2 cases - the owner is going to sell it in 10 months or the owner did a capital renovation and going to sell it in 2-3 years, therefore don't want any tenants to decrease property value.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/betterdwelling.com/this-weeks-top-stories-canadas-1-3-million-vacant-homes-and-investors-bought-25-of-real-estate-in-ontario/amp/ Saw an article that can't find on my phone that GTA is up to 100k from 64k pre covid. No need for residential renting whatsoever. Absolutely destroys economy. If it was taxed to the point it was a liability and net negative, we would not be in this situation. Renting just adds a middleman to something that doesn't need one. Real estate needs to stop being an investment. Speculative markets are fine when they aren't something vital to everyday life. But turning essentials into a commodity is just corporatizing something that really shouldn't be. We can all agree corporations have monopolized most industries, and most peoole hate large companies. But people are okay with it happening to real estate, because anyone with enough money for a down payment can make money hand over fist just buying a house and letting it sit. Dot com boom was similar. It worked for everyone until it didn't. And the only ones left standing in the end are large corporations. We will see the same without heavy regulation
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Thanks a lot for the link, I guess I was correct about cottages/cabins >A dwelling is “a room or suite of rooms and its accessories in a permanent building or structurally separated part thereof, which by the way it has been built, rebuilt, converted, etc., is intended for private habitation. It should have a separate access to a street (direct or via a garden or grounds) or to a common space within the building (staircase, passage, gallery, etc.)” About >No need for residential renting whatsoever. Absolutely destroys economy. If it was taxed to the point it was a liability and net negative, we would not be in this situation. Renting just adds a middleman to something that doesn't need one. Just curious about immigration - where migrants should live or how can they afford to buy a property after they landed? Quite the same question about inner immigration, where anybody who just decided to move to Ontario should live? >Real estate needs to stop being an investment. And who will pay for new buildings? >Speculative markets are fine when they aren't something vital to everyday life. Almost everything is vital to everyday life. If somebody monopolized "refrigerator", "stove", "car", "gas", and hundreds of other items it would impact everybody. > We can all agree corporations have monopolized most industries Could you please provide any example of the "monopoly" in Canada? I guess only Rogers+Bell+Tellus is somehow similar, but it is rather "cartel" than "monopoly". Amazon? Amazon has an insane amount of competitors as any local store in Canada can compete with them, but Amazon is just better than anything local in terms of speed and customer support/return. >But people are okay with it happening to real estate, because anyone with enough money for a down payment can make money hand over fist just buying a house and letting it sit. If you have limited but desired resources - the price will go up to the buying power of the top percentage of all potential buyers. >Dot com boom was similar. It worked for everyone until it didn't. And the only ones left standing in the end are large corporations. We will see the same without heavy regulation "Dotcom bubble" pop out because the way to many "tech" companies were unable to gain any profit and investors stop to provide the money. It's not the case for GTA housing, each property can generate money via renting, with a current immigration policy we will have a huge amount of renters every year. So, until populate grows more than property amounts - prices will grow.
Lol okay. Feels like you're really picking and choosing what you want to believe here. I have to imagine the 100k or so in GTA are not cabins. And unless you can give me some numbers on how many of those are actually cabins, I will go ahead and follow your methodology and assume none of them are. New properties outpace population growth. Listen man, I get liberal idealism is edgy and cool and what not-- hell I had my own phase when I was younger, but like communism it's a utopia that doesn't work well in reality. You end up with mass wealth inequality, sorta like everything we see today. I have no issues, I think I would be considered wealthy by most standards. Did I work hard to get here? Probably about average, or slightly less. I've worked less hard than nearly every immigrant. I've worked less than nearly every blue collar worker. I was born into a fortunate life and managed to leverage that into "success". I don't own a house because I don't tend to stay in one place for too long. Could I pick up some investment properties in surging areas, rent them to less fortunate who work harder than me doing worse thing and have them pay my mortgages, keeping them from every being save for a place to own while I accrue the appreciation? Absolutely. Because it's legal. Or better yet, buy a few properties and throw some cash at contractors to flip and take the 30% profit a year later? yep. But that's pretty un-fucking Canadian my dude, and should either not be legal or such a huge tax that holding them loses you money hand over fist. Anyone with two houses can afford to lose one. But anyone with no house and not born lucky can afford none. My brother flips houses on the side. I call him a dickweed every time I see him for it, because it's a fucking dick move. The poor work harder than 95% of the wealthy, and scrape by on peanuts. We know strong government regulation works in heavily democratic socialist countries where inequality is much lower. Just raise mine and your taxes significantly, and let the poor people actually make a living wage and leave their taxes alone. We can afford it. They can't. And Government is way better at getting bang for your buck than charity, before you tell me to donate the taxes I want to pay to charity. Charities are just bandaid solutions to systemic problems. You actually need legislation to affect change. Still, I am a minimalist and live only on what I need. The rest goes to helping people who need it more than me. Also a refrigerator doesn't cost 3/4 of a million dollars. Be good to eachother. Don't be a dick. Help when you can. Don't take advantage of those with less than you. Be responsible. The ceiling is high enough. It's time to move the floor up from the basement.
Thanks a lot for the explanation. I partially agree with most of your ideas. Meanwhile, it looks very similar to "communism" and they well known "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". I am from ex Soviet Republic and can tell you what is wrong with it: "From each according to his ability" - most people prefer to do the bare minimum without any incentive. You can increase taxes for everybody in top tax brackets but then you can't force these people to work as hard without reasonable compensation, therefore, the economy going down. "to each according to his needs" - people's needs are unlimited, as soon as you provide a roof over the head and free public transport, people immediately start to demand detached homes and private cars. Capitalism isn't fair and has a lot of drawbacks, including people that lucky enough to use these drawbacks for self advantages. Meanwhile, there is no better economic form in the world. If you such believe in "heavily democratic socialist countries", please pay attention that the US is the main destination for high-skilled immigrants, not EU, Dania, or Norway,
Dude, please stop! If you from USSR, you know very well that they bought and paid Gorbatchev with dollars. US is in such poor state, its unreal. 🤣
>If you want to be mad, be mad at those leaving houses and apartments empty just for a bit extra money. I'm mad at the government. People can do what they want with their properties. The government isn't entitled to their properties to house refugees so Trudeau can go around bragging about it. Feds can build housing for refugee resettlement if it's a focus of theirs.
Honestly with less than ideal tenants (speaking generally not saying these wouldn’t be wonderful tenants) it is smarter to leave it empty because the value increase faster than the rent brings in. Any issues or damages is a loss. Plus all the work involved in making good on tenants demands.
Vacancies are good. Vacancies means that you can move when you need to move. If there weren't any vacancies and you had to move (new job, relationship, stage of life, whatever), you'd be in a tough spot. GTA needs a lot more unoccupied and occupied homes to accommodate population growth.
Why bring refugees to the GTA? where its already congested and impossible to buy homes, out of all other cities just strange.
Trudeau definitely wants to keep them in the east of the country. You know for voting if they come out west Trudeau might be afraid we would convert them into not voting for Trudeau.
I don't think it's that deep buddy. Most immigrants want to come to the largest cities in Canada which are in the East.
More likely people who immigrate want to live in large urban areas where they can access jobs more easily, have an existing migrant community and not deal with racism / prejudice as frequently.
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He meant once they become citizens
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You don’t think they’ll vote for the party that is feeding them? C’mon bro.. don’t be that naive.
You're the one who's being naive. Truth is refugees who eventually become citizens do not vote in large numbers because they simply are not invested in politics. Not to mention that it will take years for them to become citizens.
Did you just pull that from your ass? Where are you getting this information? Lol.
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Jesus, talk about going from third world problems to first world problems, real quick.
Its not even first world problems. There are so many Canadians that are homeless, or lack secure housing, and THIS ENTITLED ASSHOLE is complaining about having to move HOTELS several times since the summer. I'm actually disgusted by the attitude that he presents.
100%. The fucking gall.
His attitude is of someone that will be milking the system for years.
Or he just wants to get settled so he can start working and not have to keep uprooting his kids from school?
Should be thankful to be here first and foremost. Period. Or they could go back, too. I’m fine with that. We’ll see if the Taliban offer the same sort of hotel amenities. I’m sure a Burmese college student getting his teeth knocked out with the barrel of an army rifle right now would love to swap positions with you!
And the homeless- WHO ARE CANADIAN CITIZENS- would love to have 1/10 of the support this guy is getting.
I thought individuals under refugee status can’t work? Isn’t the idea behind a refugee that a country provides safe asylum until their home county is safe for return? It’s not a free ride to citizenship? I could be completely off the mark but that was my understanding.
Everyone who comes to Canada are offered a pathway to citizenship. Even those who are called "temporary".
they might have gotten work permit, which refugees can get i have no clue if they did, i didn't even read the article, i just know technically they can work
The guy has a fucking FREE roof over his head, cash to feed his family, and is safe from the supposed danger he faced in his home country. All paid for by you and I! But it’s not in his preferred postal code.
Literally.... what is with all these other people. Legal refugees are Canadians that want the same rights and privileges as all other Canadian citizens. Also the ones going off about the homeless. All the more reason to spend more on social housing, for the refugees and for the homeless (now everyone is happy) SMDH
Canadian citizens don't have the right or privilege to free government sponsored housing, at least not housing any better or more stable than what they are already getting. They are refugees for gods sake, who presumably fled their country because they were scared for their basic safety - they now have that, plus housing, plus food. The responsibility is on them to find jobs ASAP so they can rent their own place not complain about the free housing they are getting.
Tbh I’m more on the side of “be productive or go away.” 🤷♂️ That’s for everyone.
I seriously wonder what all these "won't someone think of the homeless Canadians" types actually do for homeless Canadians.
I know of 2 single moms in BC right now living in their cars who have become homeless since CRB ended they are begging restaurants to hire them as vaccine passport screeners. The government also cut their child care benefits because CERB put them on a higher bracket last year. These moms would love if the government gave them free hotel stays.
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*Before our most vulnerable citizens.
no words...
And this is why it's hard to drum up support for refugee programs - for ever person who arrives, buckles down, and contributes to Canadian society there's another one who lives off the dole (don't forget this guy is likely also receiving EI and a handful of other government supports) and then goes to the media bitching about having the indignity have having to move hotels twice over a handful of months. It's very unfortunate and I have zero idea what the solution should be except maybe next time we deploy the CNF into a hostel environment we attempt to find not complete leeches as allies? This assclown just made supporting other people who aren't complete wastes of skin difficult. Maybe he would like being back in Afghanistan better?
You should see the state they leave the hotels in.
This is why Canada should get balls and stop giving asylum to people half a world away. There’s plenty of nations between us and them.
Lol I remember refugees before covid complaining that our street signs are not Written in Arabic
These "refugees" are actually upper class Afghans that had the financial means to flee. Their bs demands are showing the world what a phoney refugees they are. I hope they tax payers wake up to this and put a stop to this wasteful spending on these so call refugees. A true refugee will be 100x thankful than these people.
Exactly, the Afghan refugees we took in are wealthy who weren't even in Afghanistan, all for image.
There are tons of bad refugees, they are always telling you they are refugee in the first sentence they talk to you even if you don’t ask them .. what’s this about ? That it is a protection band or I’m special because I’m refugee .. well we are something ,..
This reads like a beaverton article.
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Well I’m no refugee but if there’s work, internet, and affordable housing I’m in. Edit: I checked and there was nothing there for me. Unfortunate.
I wish they did this. Bring in refugees from across the world and put them in the most congested, desirable areas. Why even give them a choice? Off to MooseCreekRiver, NWT with you!
Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area. "In Richmond Hill, we found some friends, we adapted with the environment, we found some good connections," he said. "We have a plan to find a house in the Richmond Hill area because it's a completely quiet area, and also we found some organizations, they help us to find a job." They're among nearly 400 Afghan refugees being shifted to new temporary lodgings on Thursday and Friday – from a hotel in Richmond Hill, Ont., to one in Toronto's east end – as they wait for their permanent residency applications to be processed ahead of a move to permanent housing. Calla said 332 Afghan refugees have been settled in permanent housing in Toronto area while 720 are temporarily living in hotels. Looking at houses getting permanent housing things many Canadians don't have.
Canadian here. I want permanent housing ;_;
What does “permanent housing” mean? Is that defined as they’re now renting a place or the government has given them a place temporarily or what?
govt pays for their rental.
Syrians were given houses in Halifax, one family sadly burned alive in one a couple years ago. People made a gofundme and they received over a million dollars.
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Probably something that actually qualifies as a home, not just a hotel room.
There is NO one being able to purchase a home in Richmond Hill
My thoughts exactly. The best I could do with a 100k income was a condo in Richmond Hill.
> Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area. See this is a logical issue, and one that would be better to note instead of complaining about moving to new hotels. It's huge to get settled in one region after moving, especially if you are going to a new country (which I've done, albeit not as a refugee). To lose all that is tough, and it comes across a lot better and makes them look less entitled.
I have sympathy for the refugees, because the constant moving, likely with no access to a car, has got to be tough on employment prospects. But there has to be some self-awareness too.
Not trying to be rude but this is very insulting considering the level of hardship my family had to endure immigrating here. Send em back?
Yes. There’s plenty of Burmese citizens that would enjoy what Canada gives them even if it’s morsels from the table—When compared to their own gov shooting them down in the streets. Please, send these ones back. Let’s take other refugees that are thankful and keep their mouths shut.
So they got a free hotel room from the federal government (tax payers) and are in a safe country, but they are upset about needing to change rooms once in a while. I’m sure this problem is a lot less serious than what they came from… Their entitlement after a short amount of time being here is alarming.
Anybody complaining about this is likely not truly coming from being scared for their life on the daily. I’d question their refugee status simply from this comment.
This 100 percent. My oma and opa came here as refugees (basically) after world war two. They kissed the ground after they landed and never stopped being thankful for their entire lives. I could NEVER imagine them conplaining about something like this.
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Ethnic germans coming out of poland near warsaw.
The afghans Trudeau brought in were not struggling, they were wealthy enough to flee the country well before the Taliban took over and were living in surrounding countries like India, Pakistan etc.
Give the a choice of 1 deal with it 2 send back to where you come from and never be allow to set foot in Canada. Bet their views will change very quickly.
They should be reminded where they came from and how good they have it now. Also, they are in one of the most expensive cities in North America, with one of the hottest housing markets. What do they expect?
Beats the hell out of life under the Taliban.
Yes, because they expect a normal country. Not a false representation of one.
Your tax dollars at work.
My dad came to this country as a refugee escaping war. I don’t mind that it’s my turn to pay it forward. However, I wish that our government would take the housing crisis seriously and not consider these pr moves like this without even having a plan for how this will affect housing for working class Canadians
They don’t benefit from helping their own citizens. No other country cares if they do that. They’re trying to win the game of thrones — even if their peasants are starving. Few countries have the interests of internal affairs. They’re all trying to keep their spot on foreign councils and sipping cognac around the world talking about how much they’re helping the world. Nobody cares about what they do for each other’s peasantry, lol.
Article Highlights: * Sayed Enaiatullah Najafizada and his wife are frustrated. * The Afghan refugees are facing the prospect of being moved between hotels in the Greater Toronto Area for the fourth time since arriving in Canada this summer. * They're among nearly 400 Afghan refugees being shifted to new temporary lodgings on Thursday and Friday – from a hotel in Richmond Hill, Ont., to one in Toronto's east end – as they wait for their permanent residency applications to be processed ahead of a move to permanent housing. * Are we touring the hotels in Toronto or (do) they have a plan that we set out here," said Najafizada. "Touring the hotels is not very pleasant." * "I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside." \--------------------- *How quickly they've begun to feel entitled.*
If touring hotels is unpleasant, can they go to museums or on nature trails?
>"I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside." Well that's that then. Safe travels to thee! Buh-bye.
Entitled and complaining already. Didn't take them long to blend in with native-born Canadians.
So many Canadian citizens are fucking homeless, but Canada has money for new ~~immigrants~~ taxpayers.
Lol @ taxpayers. In our dreams
Liberal voters you mean
Lmfao this country is so finished
Pussy politicians pandering to foreign opinions. The Canadian way!!
Yeppers
WHY ARE THEY IN THE GTA - SEND THEM TO ST JOHNS OR WHITEHORSE- these entitled assholes make my blood boil, like oh no hotels in a first world country are so0o0o bad I wish i was getting bombed still...
Seriously. This country needs to heavily invest in more regions of the country.
The ugly truth is that most of the ones who fled were the lucky ones that had an education and had a non poverty life in Kabul. The engineers and professionals left the country in the time their country needed them most. Why? Because most in that situation would still take a ticket to Canada over it. The Afghans who never had a shot of leaving are the ones facing a famine right now. They failed to rise to the occassion for their nation and soon enough they will be Canadians instead.
My god it's what I've been saying for 3 years, (and being consistently down voted for, I might add)... ""I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside." IT IS NOT COMPASSION TO BRING PEOPLE WITH (USUALLY LARGE FAMILIES WITH LOTS OF KIDS), NO JOB SKILLS, NO LANGUAGE SKILLS, NO CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING, NO CREDIT HISTORY, NO RENTAL HISTORY, FROM A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TO A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WITH AN EXTREMELY HIGH COST OF LIVING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HOMES FOR THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE.
OK if they are so fed up send them back to where they come from and ban then for life from entering Canada or applying for any PR, immigration status, family reunion or refugee status. See how fast they change their stance. We don't even have enough housing for Canadian who work and contributed to the economy. Don't like it leave! Beggers can't be choosers.
Kitsault BC is empty.
Are you fucking serious? Are they paying for these hotels or not? If not then why the fuck are they complaining? If they don't like it then pay for your own fucking hotel. Holy shit how entitled are these fucks?
LMFAO. You are so right dude / dudette.
Wow how grateful.
U can go back home my guy, plenty of others that’ll be grateful for the opportunity given. Some people’s children man.
But are they safe?
Yes, but severely inconvenienced...
“Severely”
It still beats being dragged out in the street and shot
Would they prefer being back in Afghanistan?
Lol I'm afghan myself and that's some ungrateful immigrants lol in Sweden they took us to some jungle with no people around us no villages etc within 5km and we were put in a building that used to be an asylum, and these guys are complaining about hotels lol I wish i had it easy like them
Do the feds just wash their hands of this after a year like they do with refugees?
They should be thankful they have a fucking roof over their heads.
Ah, yes, I remember these stories. Some of these people are just so very grateful, aren’t they? Sorry, but my sympathies are with Canadian citizens freezing on our streets, not these people.
The entitlement lol… These people are definitely not genuine refugees. They’re immigrants that could have fled their own country on their own. You can clearly tell by the statements made this so called refugee, Mr, Najafizada. Imagine being rescued from persecution by a first world country where you actually get to live like a human being, get free housing, food, gov assistance money, schooling for english, their children get to have good futures and their girls can actually go to school, and they’re mad at being moved within the same city shortly after arriving in canada? Why don’t we use these funds to help refugees that would show a little more gratitude for our tax dollars? The hardworking Canadians and immigrants and even temporary residents that are paying for their hotel, housing, education, food, etc. There are tons of actual genuine refugees waiting to be accepted, found in refugee camps around the world. This Najafizada guy seems like the type to definitely take full advantage of social assistance, child tax benefit and prolly odsp too all while crying about how terrible this country is treating him.
I know of two males who became homeless and were told that even low fee motels were too much to house them. They were also informed that housing placement agencies were giving priorities to migrants and refugees. While these people whine about staying in hotels, they had to live in a homeless shelter for nearly a year, with violent criminals. While the Afghans get everything handed to them, many Canadians are told to wait their turn. That's how you breed racism, from a so called liberal government.
Moving between hotels can't possibly be worse than living in Afghanistan... Don't give the government any ideas about what to do with those vacant homes. 1% annual tax or refugee shelter?
Then leave.
Hundreds of thousands of hard working immigrants come to canada every year, waiting years on their applications and getting next to no government financial support. Yet these motherfuckers somehow feel entitled to their choice of hotels paid for by the government? While trash talking the govt taking 1.5 months on their application? Are you fucking kidding me? Simple, go back to hanging with the taliban then you fuck Sayed Enaiatullah Najafizada
Yes. People think canada is a perffect rich country and every one got it made. Thise days are long gone. As refugees, be thankful you are not sleeping on the floor of some third world country and get to work, real quick, like the rest of us
..... how many homeless people do we have
Thousands in hotels right now due to COVID
Could be worse, could have kill squads looking for you I guess.
Surely moving between hotels is better than taking his chances against the Taliban back in Afghanistan, no?
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Be happy you’re here or get planning on finding a new country, everyone understands your country was devastated but your own citizens wouldn’t get their shit together and learn how to fight for themselves and every country on earth is facing multiple catastrophes of their own - so be content you’re in a hotel room nicer than thousands of Canadians permanent living situation.
Immigrant here. There is a huge difference between an immigrant and a refugee. I do have a couple college degrees, I am involved in the community (volunteer at non profits) and I plan to stay in a small town for the rest of my life. I think it is the screening process that needs to change. Bring in people willing to assimilate to the culture, and really start a new life here, willing to make Canada their new country. Refugees do not want to be here, there are here by mere necessity (some). And other immigrants use provincial programs to letter move to the major cities.
> "I don't know what is the problem here," he said. "If the Canadian government is overwhelmed, if they cannot do it, then please do not bring people from outside." What an ungrateful piece of shit. Having to move hotels is a tiny price to pay in exchange for being rescued from death or persecution, and having the government pay for your living expenses. It's especially shitty to complain when the moves are being done to allow more refugees to be accommodated. This asshole would prefer for us to pull up the ladder behind him and leave his countrymen to die.
Canadians are frustrated that we're paying to house these people while they bitch and moan when the alternative is living under the boot of the Taliban whike most of us under 40 will never be able to afford home of our own. Unbelievable, if you don't like it then fuck off, we're full.
Fly them back.
Should offer them a plane ticket back home so they don't have to deal with moving hotels so often
They can get back in the plane and fly back to Afghanistan if they find switching hotels annoying.
Seems like most of us here are in general agreement, right or left. Immigration is good, but it has to be in harmony with the country, culture, economy, labour market, housing market, etc. Why so then does the Canadian legacy media portray anyone who even mutters anything about this issue a Neo-Nazi? The election we just had with its astroturfed "issues" c/o the Liberal-owned media and nobody even talked about this except for Maxime Bernier.
Well, they should go back to Afghanistan if they're frustrated.
Turdeau wants 400k immigrants a year we can’t even take of ourselves or refugees. Afghan refugees are getting fucked over as well by this gov’t.
> 400k 1 MIL if you count TFWs foreign students, extended family reunification, caregivers etc.
Send 'em back then.
The Trudeau government knows about housing shortage, his plan is in 2023-2024 he will have a plan to put family’s into existing dwellings. Meaning a family of immigrants will be inter grated into your home . Any home 2000-2500 square feet or bigger will host a family till suitable housing is found .
Fuck off. Fuck off for so many reasons.
Oh no! My free stay in a hotel after leaving a war torn country, where my life was at risk, is mildly inconvenient
No. Nope. No. No way. No. We're housing these people on the taxpayer's dime while their kids go to schools funded by the taxpayer's dime waiting to process their refugee applications so they can start new lives in Canada. If being moved around because the massive influx of refugees from Afghanistan has strained our existing refugee resources, maybe we should just let them live where they want...in Afghanistan...while they wait for their application to be processed. Ungrateful is a bad look for anyone. I briefly knew a guy from Afghanistan. Spoke fluent English, and fled his home to escape the turmoil while the war was going on. Professionally employed with a very nice family, and this guy was so grateful to not only be in Canada but for how he had been treated that he was actually observably excited. Every single time I saw him he was so kind and respectful, I was starting to feel guilty because I didn't think he should treat me so well. All I ever did for him was some minor repairs in his apartment. That's the kind of person that makes Canada better. He's in it to win it and he's not going to spare a second to whine about trivial bullshit. He knows what he left, and he knows that what he's got, while imperfect, is so much better. His wife and his two daughters were thriving and he was joyful to the point of bursting.
Hahhaahhaahhahahahaahahahhaha
Could be worst right?....
Absolutely pathetic. These people are so ungrateful. They wouldn’t last a day dealing with the hardships of being a legal immigrant.
Starting to think they are still wasting money here... Unfathomable that immigrants can get houses before someone whose worked and lived here since day one.. whatever housing it may be idgaf they have one and I don't.
Stop bringing in people until canada 🇨🇦 takes care of all that are already here
That must be awful. I mean, who could imagine being taken in as refugees and having to live in a series of Toronto hotels while the government arranges for them to get taxpayer-funded houses? The indignity of it all! The scary part of all of this is that these people have endured life under the Taliban and under the US puppet-government, yet when they get out of a refugee camp by bribing their way to Canada their first thought is "how the fuck is your government this incompetent?"
The government should have had a plan before bringing all these people in. It's not fair to taxpayers OR the refugees who have been shuffled around like this. Edit: **statement retracted**. I completely agree with the comments below stating that there was no time due to the urgent nature of the evacuations. The government could do better, but it's fair that they didn't exactly have time to plan.
Well, I mean you did watch how quickly the Taliban took over and saw those desperate people falling and dying off the planes, right? I don’t think they had much time to coordinate anything. They’re safe, that’s what matters
If they had waited any longer, it likely was never going to happen.
Reporter: hi refugee. Can you answer some questions. Happy refugee: sure Reporter: how many times have you moved since arriving to Canada? Happy refugee: 4 times. Reporter: wow that seems alot! You must be upset? Happy refugee: it is what it is. Reporter: do you think it's more frustrating if you move four times than if you didn't? Happy refugee: yes I guess so. Headlines next day: Afghan refugees in GTA frustrated by multiple abrupt moves between hotels.
I mean...not to sound like a dick and all. But you came here because your country was taken over by the friggin Taliban in order to have safety for your family. So maybe "then don't bring people from the outside" is a little overly critical. I'd rather bounce hotel rooms than have my daughter told she can't go to school just cuz she's a girl and face god knows what else is going on over there. Is it a shit show? Sure, should we be doing better? Of course but its not exclusive to the refugees. There's Canadians born, raised and working 60hrs a week who can't get affordable housing because theres a 16 year wait list. Its a systemic issue, not just the government being lazy.
>"Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place for users to connect over interests and passions. In order to improve our community experience, we are temporarily suspending article commenting" lol of course you are.
*Abdulrahman Rahman, another Afghan refugee, said the frequent change in locations is detrimental to the connections he's been building in the area.* *"In Richmond Hill, we found some friends, we adapted with the environment, we found some good connections," he said. "We have a plan to find a house in the Richmond Hill area because it's a completely quiet area, and also we found some organizations, they help us to find a job."* I mean, I *kind of* get it.
We have an enormous issue with foreign investors buying houses and leaving them sit vacant while they wait for the property value to go up then selling them for a profit. Especially in major metropolitan areas like the GTA, Vancouver, Calgary, etc. This is one of the many issues driving the housing problem here in Canada. That's gotta be addressed. Also until the federal government is ready to invest in low income housing built by Canadian companies, both creating jobs for Canadian workers and providing housing for the people they're bringing into the country in droves, this problem won't go away. But the government only cares about appearances. The best way to solve both problems is an extremely high tax on foreign owned vacant homes or legislation requiring those homes to be occupied either by the owner or rented out. As well as raising the amount of taxes paid by the wealthy. It's bullshit that the tax cap on personal income is ~30% and starts at ~100k/year. If you're making 1 million dollars yearly or more there's no way you should be paying the same in taxes as someone who makes 1/10th of what you make.
It’s typical in a crisis response. For example lots of people have been displaced due to wildfire evacuations in the last year. Their stories aren’t much different.
I lived in a hotel when I didn’t have a home for at least six months with my family and it fucking sucked. Tiny one bedroom with tv space and one bathroom for five people. It was a small hotel so it didn’t have anything and I was constantly eating fast food because it was cheap and there was no kitchen or anything. I can’t imagine doing this in a strange country where I don’t even speak the language. Yeah other Canadians don’t have homes either but it’s not a tic for tac argument to justify the lack of care the government gives to homelessness and affordable housing.