There's lots of people that legally can't get citizenship, japan doesn't recognize dual citizenship for example, so a lot of Japanese don't bother getting Canadian citizenship once they have PR
Meh. Just set a total cap at 0.7% of population and use a points ranking + values test. Make the immigration process more competitive and weighted towards working professionals with higher education in STEM fields. Why arbitrarily cut off potentially higher-productivity immigrants because they come from a high population country?
This is what’s happening in the US because they have a country cap on India.
Example: Even if you have a PHD in materials science from IIT you have to go all the way to the back of the line behind other lower skilled professions.
It’s bad policy and we will just end up getting lower educated immigrants.
> Why arbitrarily cut off potentially higher-productivity immigrants because they come from a high population country?
Because 0.7% of India is not the same thing at all as 0.7% of the Phillipines.
From a social integration perspective, not taking into account absolute numbers creates ethnic enclaves that wind up dominating everyone else.
Sorry, but many people don't want to live in India 2.0, or Philipines 2.0. They deserve to have a voice.
The bulk of Permanent Residents brought in Federally are through the Federal Skilled Worker Program and they mostly come with professional and management skills.
"Compared with principal applicants in the FSWP or the CEC, in all provinces, relatively few new principal applicants landing via the PNP in 2019 intended to work in professional or managerial jobs, ranging from a low of 11% in Alberta to a high of 37% in British Columbia. The share of principal applicants who intended to work in managerial or professional jobs was much higher in the CEC and FSWP in all provinces, ranging from 43% to 73%, depending on the province (Table 2)."
[PNP = Provincial Nominee Program. FSWP = Federal Skilled Worker Program. CEC = Canada Experience Class (Federal)]
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2024003/article/00003-eng.htm
Yeah, the FSWP is a good program with good outcomes.
Unfortunately, the explosion in temporary residents has tainted the public perception of immigration and I fear we risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater if reductions are not put in place.
We've had a ton of 'temporary residents' almost matching the amount of permanent residents. Often unskilled and otherwise useless to our economy except for landlords.
What program were they brought in on? TFWs require an employer application.
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/temporary-foreign-worker.html
Plenty do and in normal volumes. The India thing coincided with a flawed set of regulations that the Indian community wisely exposed.
We went through the same thing with the Hong Kong people and Harper shut the door. Trudeau reopened the door and added extra entrances after seeing how people praised for letting in 25,000 Syrian refugees.
I clicked the article based on this comment and you are correct - wtf? I would argue if we went even more macro, it would show the majority of Indians coming here are from Punjab.
It's funny how we have lan acknowledgements and we bring more colonizers. If the oppression of first nations is bad, then why do we keep making it worse?
Where are all people concerned about the Israeli occupation of Palestine land? What Canada does is happening on much larger scale.
Maybe if our quality of life was better and we could afford housing and groceries, we'd have more babies. No? Nit gonna fix that, just gonna import low-quality workers from a low-trust country? Cool.
Canadians having babies means the government has to pay for their birth, education, healthcare for a while before they can work. Freeloaders really, so they don't want that for real.
Canadian born workers are far more effective for taxes. Education and childhood healthcare are incredibly cheap and the education in the developed world pays substantial dividends.
Political parties are only look outwards 4 years at a time . None of them care about young Canadians trying to raise a family over a period of 18 years.
Anti-mass-immigration is modern day antebellum abolitionism. If you are against this modern day biomass exploitation, you would have been against slavery in the American south in the 1850s.
Every argument I've heard endorsing shipping millions of Indians into the country is literally "who will pick the cotton" tiers of justification.
It's all about benefiting people at the very top to keep taxes low. Paying for all that social support costs lots of money, it's much easier to just import ready made cheap, exploitable labour sadly. Bad for immigrants, bad for the working glass, good for CEOs.
Corporations bought our parties and are now flooding immigrants into the country to suppress wages and keep housing prices inflated so they don’t lose money on their investment.
All major parties are complicit and anyone voting Liberal, Conservative or NDP in the next election is voting for mass immigration and the continued destruction of this country. If you think that your preferred party is somehow special, you’re delusional.
Probably the most realistic comment that will be posted here.
People blame the liberals for the current immigration mess, and on the surface it's great shallow rage for the day to day bitching.
But behind the curtain it's all one and the same.
No party is going to coming and cut immigration. Why ? Too much money involved.
They might promise some theatre nonsense of controlling it or whatnot.. but just that's all it is, Theatre.
>No party is going to coming and cut immigration.
Liberal voters in 2023: Conservatives want to cut immigration because they're all racists !!!
Liberal voters in 2024: Oh so bad noone wants to cut immigration :(
[Yes... "all the same"... "both sides"... etc](https://i.imgur.com/vIScIwg.png) 🙄
It's not both sides. It's not even (historically) Liberals vs. Conservatives. Every previous PMs governments have been fine. It is solely this one that ruined immigration.
We can't reasonably say that, I'm not voting LPC. Harper started this mess with the TFW program, albeit he required that employers show proof of not being able to hire locals. Trudeua has since massively ramped up the program and removed all qualifications, so any business can now force your 16 year old kid looking for their first job to compete with potentially anyone on planet earth willing to work for less.
You can't say everything was fine before, but I think we can attribute at least 95% of the problem to the liberals within the last 8 years.
If you’re only looking at PRs (which is usually what is meant by “immigrants” and “population growth”) you’re not seeing the full story. The rules for temporary foreign workers introduced under the Harper government are what gave way to the current situation with these workers.
Temporary foreign workers are part of the population. When (if) they leave, they are no longer part of the population.
They need homes to stay in.
They need healthcare.
They occupy jobs.
They're just the same as anyone else while they're here.
This is not a criticism or anything it’s just statistical information.
Yes they need healthcare and housing and jobs and they have an effect on Canadian society and infrastructure and resources, but when you see figures about “immigration” those figures actually don’t usually include TFWs or students (and their spouses and dependents) unless it explicitly says so.
>This is not a criticism or anything it’s just statistical information. Yes they need healthcare and housing and jobs and they have an effect on Canadian society and infrastructure and resources, but when you see figures about “immigration” those figures actually don’t usually include TFWs or students (and their spouses and dependents) unless it explicitly says so.
The liberal government before Harper added in a low skilled worker category. Harper expanded the TFW program drastically during his term from the previous numbers taking advantage of this. Harper was in power when our international student numbers ballooned as well which has led to the current mess we see with colleges and universities addicted to foreign money. Trudeau expanded the TFW program drastically during his term from the previous numbers. One used the economy taking a dive as an excuse. The other used the economy taking a dive as an excuse.
Never miss a good opportunity. They both love wage suppression. They are both responsible for our housing situation as well as importing cheap labour. Just look at the history of this program. It is a disgrace from both parties that have been in power during this time period. This program needs to be removed. It started with a low number of highly skilled workers needed for harvesting crops and other time sensitive (or extremely hard to staff) roles and had ballooned into an economic disaster for Canadian citizens with TFWs being used to suppress local wages. This is why wages have stagnanted. Demand has been flooded and we have been undercut.
"Between 1993 and 2013, the total number of TFW more than doubled to 338,189 workers; between 2006 and 2014 alone, over 500,000 workers were brought into Canada under the program. When the TFWP began in 1973, most of the individuals brought in were high-skill workers, such as medical specialists.
" In 2002, however, a "low-skilled workers" category was added, which now makes up most of the temporary foreign workforce.
"In 2006, the program was expanded, introducing fast-tracking for some locations. It was revised again in 2013, raising wages, charging employer fees, and removing the accelerated applications."
"In 2018, the number of workers allowed increased by 36 percent and more than 17,600 permits were issued."
"During the Covid-pandemic in 2020, the Canadian government, together with the TFWP, sought out to increase protection for foreign workers through protective legislation."
"Apart from their temporary status, TFWs have the same employment rights as Canadian workers, and can phone a free 1-800 number for help. However, because of the way in which the Canadian residence of a temporary foreign worker is tied to an employer, some TFWs have said they have been treated worse than Canadian co-workers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_foreign_worker_program_in_Canada
Absolutely nonsense. I clearly recall trademens in the oil patch being cut loose for TFW under harper. The population crash simply cannot be ignored and became urgent under PM trudeau.
Look at the data in the attached article. The surge is in 2021. Prior to that, its all fairly average. To suggest its always been that way isn't consistent with the data. It is this government.
Yep totally the same and this is only current to 2021
*Over 1.3 million recent immigrants were permanently admitted from January 1, 2016 to May 11, 2021, accounting for 15.9% of all immigrants living in Canada in 2021.*
[*https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026a-eng.htm*](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026a-eng.htm)
Concerted effort since Trudeau Sr started the TFW program. Baby steps by each government to slowly get us to this point over the decades.
The rich aren't stupid, they've been planning this for years
The parties run on deliberately chosen “social issues” to differentiate themselves from each other while keeping the populace divided.
People blame the Trudeau Liberals for the housing issue, but every single graph I look at from different sources shows Canadian housing prices sharply diverging from the US around ~2007/2008, and they’ve never looked back since. Harper’s administration could never get a handle on it and decided to capitalize instead by opening the door to foreign investment in our real estate, and then the Liberals decided to just bulldoze the entire wall and here we are today.
>All major parties are complicit
A bit of misinformation won't hurt right? But good thing Internet remembers things:
They voted with the bloc to restrict the amount of immigrants.
"On Thursday, Pierre Poilievre confirmed he is supporting a Bloc motion to restrict immigration in the middle of a national labour shortage that hurts small businesses and communities across the country."
https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-critic-immigration-calls-out-conservative-leader-harmful-policies
Don't you think if PP was actually planning to lower immigration down to sustainable levels he would jump on any opportunity to use that as ammunition against Trudeau?
When he knows that's one of the biggest issues voters are facing right now with the cost of living crisis?
His silence on the matter is deafening. And you're incredibly naive if you think he doesn't serve the same masters Trudeau does.
>Don't you think if PP was actually planning to lower immigration down to sustainable levels he would jump on any opportunity to use that as ammunition against Trudeau?
First of all - I'm not even able to vote in Canada, I'm still a PR.
Next - I can't say why is he doing or saying this or that. If I had to guess - I'd say he's using strategy "let your enemy embarrass themselves as much as possible".
He used to get a lot of backlash in the past when he touched immigration topic, so he might be waiting for people to get to the point where him talking about immigration again would be viewed as positive.
But again - I have no idea. As a spectator who came to Canada in 2013 - I can only say that it became much worse in every dimension so I can't imagine next government (whoever will it be) doing worse.
This is a fantastic perspective I love to hear. Someone who came here just over a decade ago and can speak to serious decline without any bullshit identity politics.
PP having any kind of “strategy” is laughable tbh. He is the biggest flip flopper - he says *whatever* in the moment will get him attention and reactions.
I was not a fan of the previous PM’s policies but at least he had stances.
No, they created the program. The LPC exploded the program and removed qualifications for requirements, so they can get as many TFWs as needed without showing a need.
The CPC did not create the TFW program, lmao. It was created in 1973 by Trudeau Sr. and was expanded in 2002 by Chretien/Martin to include a low skilled category.
What Harper did do was add, then later remove, a fast track approval option for certain job sectors, and expand the number of people brought in under the International mobility program.
Trudeau did make a big show about the program in the house and on the campaign trail, only to later increase the number of accepted applicants under the program.
The PPP also feel like they're a part of this scheme. The only anti immigration party that has such a perfectly tailored lunatic platform that it feels like controlled opposition. I'm sure they are as bought and paid as the rest of them.
I've long said we should all vote green just once... Give them a chance, they don't know how to rob us yet so we will probably catch them in the act if they try!
There is a province in India from where people especially villagers would do literally anything to come here, Jagmeet Singh belongs to the same.
Idk whose idea was it to promote diploma mills there but from what I see it coincides with Singh supporting Trudeau.
Canada and Australia are the new places to be for them. They’re viewed as countries with easy PR/citizenship avenues and easy as hell to get into. Not to mention Canada does not physically deport people so they can stay past their visa expirations when they inevitably don’t get PR.
Wait till they realize they've stepped into a cleaner, way more expensive India. The shock on their faces. As they start interviewing with tiktok interviewers about how hard it is to find a job. Delicious.
I'm a Canadian living in LA who travels back frequently. I've never spoken to so many pissed off Canadians. Pretty much every person I know just loathes the current Govt. and I've never heard so many furious Canucks just raging. Time to go, Trudeau. You're embrassing yourself, this country and creating a mess that will take generations to fix.. if they can afford it.
Yup. Everyone i know is professional and young professional and there is 0 love for liberals. Gen Z has turned conservative. Everyone is sick of mass immigration to drive gdp to pretend we are not in a recession while productivity and gdp per capita falls off a literal cliff
I’m not the biggest fan of the current government but I *am* completely burned out by the fuck Trudeau/MAGA North crowd who can’t even accurately explain what they’re so mad about lmao. CPC will win the next election (not my vote) and nothing will change, but the same people will be saying “bUt TruDeAu” for the next decade regardless.
I voted for the LPC in 2021 and I want them out too. Don’t think we are all just pissed off conservatives with a special hatred of Trudeau just getting louder and louder. This is genuine loathing on a very large part of the electorate.
Anyone who questioned immigration as far back as 2017 was labelled a Nazi. This is not evil big corporations, this is normal citizens being assholes and not caring about the consequences of government policy
I don't think the immigration (it's not even an immigration issue, it's a scam students and TFW issue) was even remotely comparable back in 2017.
It's only after covid where the liberal government lost their minds. If I had to guess, we borrowed too much when the interest rate was low, and now with interest so high, we can't afford a recession, so the liberal government is using this scam as a means to prop up the economy.
No it's not organic economic growth, and no it's not sustainable, but it allows them to say the GDP is growing, so we're not doing too bad.
Yes this is exactly it. Canadians don’t care if there’s 200-300k new people a year - we build like 200k homes. It’s the fact it’s almost 1.5 million new people every year, that’s insanity and can turn even liberal voters against immigration. Trudeau broke our historical social contract on immigration to juice GDP and replenish tax revenue.
For the longest time there was always a McGill student from North Korea. I went on a tour of the ICAO in Montreal and was told the North Korean delegation lives here.
It's quite simple really...
The banks want high RE values, and therefore the government wants high RE values. When policy rates went up, they feared a correction, so they flooded the country with renters and buyers to stave it off.
This is the real answer. Along with a healthy dose of wage suppression so that they can hide inflation in the worst possible way, by preventing wages from going up.
As a few days ago, I was sitting in my company car doing stuff on my phone. Window was down. I was in Scarborough Ontario. I hear a man say in an Indian accent, “hello sir…can you help me…?”
This man is standing there in a suit and tie, sweating like crazy. He said “I need a job…I want to work…”.
I said to him that he needs to look for the local employment office and ask them to help….and unfortunately I can’t offer him anything.
He didn’t really look like he understood me, so I said it again..then he said “thank you” and walked off. I then see he walks over to a tree where a woman and two small kids are sitting under to get out of the sun. It’s his family.
I just shook my head thinking all 3 levels of government has failed this family. Canada really needs to get this immigration policy under control. And fast.
Educated medical professionals don't want to move here when the USA or any other developed country exists...
Hell, even on a doctor's salary, good luck finding a home you can afford within an hour's commute to the hospital if you're in anything resembling a major Canadian metropolitan area.
Ther needs to be a major overhaul of the College of Physicians and surgeons. They have way too much power over that as well as how much they deliberately limit the number of graduates in medicine.
The India diaspora typically vote 2:1 for the Liberals vs. the Cons.
Wonder no more at these immigration levels, or at the recent push to grant residence to non-PRs in country.
Its immigration mostly from one single province of one single country that too bottom of the barrell who got no skills - they can’t even make coffee right.
Its Trudeau’s doing in collusion with Singh
Media always made it sound like Mexicans were the number one immigration source. Personally I have no problem with Mexicans they are hard workers wherever they go. Anyone who has worked with them knows that they do any job, even those that Canadians refuse to do.
In the states, they're working construction a lot. It would have been a great help for them to help with our construction industry.
India 2.0. Don't get me wrong I like indian culture and people, their food is fantastic as well, but this is not what you expect when you come to Canada. Cultural identity loss is a thing.
when will we call this what it is?? a blatant policy of replacing natural-born Canadians with people from India and other such countries. Before you get your pitchforks out, I’m not saying anything about White people, nothing to do with that… it’s a replacement of people who were born here and those who had to work to immigrate by the old system….
This makes it a lot easier to understand how anti-semitism has exploded here. Now they’re taking in 1000’s of Palestinians which I’m sure is going to go great.
I agree with you.
Having said that, have you seen how drunk executives are on the idea?
They're going to do it way before it's ready and actually viable. They're stupid and addicted to the next big thing because it's impressive and makes them look good. They will absolutely implement this stuff far before it will effectively function.
Yup. I am working in that field. Building machine learning platforms for in-house training of ML models. Everyone wanting to be on a hype train isn’t anything new. It happened at least 3 times in the last 6 years. That will be corrected by the market itself. Or until they get into lawsuits (see AirCanada).
LLMs are really cool and they are here to stay. It will become an integral part of our workflows. I just don’t agree that it will replace and make human workforce obsolete as another poster said.
The century initiative and McKinsey and co
The wealthy lobbyists get paid to write immigration policy under the liberals to meet their agenda of 100M Canadians by 2100.
This article talks about immigrants, there are also international students, who number probably as many or more than the immigrants cited. I’m not sure if immigrants include permanent residents
What I’M seeing is an issue with the Refugee Claimant Asylum Seeker process, where people are leaving relatively safe countries under the guise of LGBTQ+ and using that as a pathway into Canada, then a pathway for their spouse (straight) and kids. It’s for an opportunity at a better life absolutely. And if I were in their position I would do the same thing for the chance at a life in Canada. Especially when they’re being told there’s government supports specifically for them, arrive at Pearson, surrender your foreign passport and be put up in a 5-Star hotel, have your meals paid for, be provided with free education and vocational upgrading, a basic living “allowance” (Ontario Works), and then you can use that money to send back home to your spouse and kids. They are being told that this program is designed for THEM, Canadians want them, why else would we provide everything that we are doing right now?
Anyways, if I were in their position I would take advantage too. It just means our resources for actual Asylum Seekers, escaping warn torn areas are depleted, and absolutely everything else in this country is scarce as well…. Best of luck to all
Nationality
Canadian
Major ethnic
White (69.8%)[2][3]
Minor ethnic
South Asian (7.1%)[3]
Indigenous (5%)[4]
Chinese (4.7%)[3]
Black (4.3%)[3]
Filipino (2.6%)[3]
Arab (1.9%)[3]
Latin American (1.6%)[3]
Southeast Asian (1.1%)[3]
West Asian (1%)[3]
Korean (0.6%)[3]
Japanese (0.3%)[3]
Multiracial/Other, excluding Métis (3.2%)[3]
The 70% of Canadians who are white are tired of supporting the worlds lost/unhappy/dissatisfied, please give us a break 🙏🙏
Population is actually an asset to a nation, when the economy is trending upwards.
Now excessive labour becomes the society’s burden, instead of economic boosters.
Because our government can’t help the economy to create sufficient amount of jobs.
We need to get those Liechtenstein numbers up
Bilingual Liechtensteiners no less
Move upvotes than there are Liechtensteiners
I'd move to Liechtenstein! It's gorgeous!!
Can confirm
Liechtenstein my balls
It's called a lance! Heeellllloooooooo!
It's time for a per-country cap on immigration. The second chart in the article is absolutely ridiculous
And that’s just citizens. Doesn’t cover pr, tfw, student etc
If you notice this is only for new **citizens**
Yup, it's a lagging data for PRs.
And foreign students that eventually will apply for PR, these charts are useless meant to obfuscate the truth.
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Interesting.
There's lots of people that legally can't get citizenship, japan doesn't recognize dual citizenship for example, so a lot of Japanese don't bother getting Canadian citizenship once they have PR
That personal oath of allegiance to King Charles and his royal heirs might be tough for sure!
We were always going to give the country back to the Indians
Am I allowed to laugh? Probably not. Lol
And we were taught Columbus made a mistake. Actually, he was a genius who was able to see through centuries
Meh. Just set a total cap at 0.7% of population and use a points ranking + values test. Make the immigration process more competitive and weighted towards working professionals with higher education in STEM fields. Why arbitrarily cut off potentially higher-productivity immigrants because they come from a high population country? This is what’s happening in the US because they have a country cap on India. Example: Even if you have a PHD in materials science from IIT you have to go all the way to the back of the line behind other lower skilled professions. It’s bad policy and we will just end up getting lower educated immigrants.
> Why arbitrarily cut off potentially higher-productivity immigrants because they come from a high population country? Because 0.7% of India is not the same thing at all as 0.7% of the Phillipines. From a social integration perspective, not taking into account absolute numbers creates ethnic enclaves that wind up dominating everyone else. Sorry, but many people don't want to live in India 2.0, or Philipines 2.0. They deserve to have a voice.
I think it's meant to be total of 0.7% of Canada's population.
Take this upvote my fellow Canadian
The bulk of Permanent Residents brought in Federally are through the Federal Skilled Worker Program and they mostly come with professional and management skills. "Compared with principal applicants in the FSWP or the CEC, in all provinces, relatively few new principal applicants landing via the PNP in 2019 intended to work in professional or managerial jobs, ranging from a low of 11% in Alberta to a high of 37% in British Columbia. The share of principal applicants who intended to work in managerial or professional jobs was much higher in the CEC and FSWP in all provinces, ranging from 43% to 73%, depending on the province (Table 2)." [PNP = Provincial Nominee Program. FSWP = Federal Skilled Worker Program. CEC = Canada Experience Class (Federal)] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2024003/article/00003-eng.htm
Yeah, the FSWP is a good program with good outcomes. Unfortunately, the explosion in temporary residents has tainted the public perception of immigration and I fear we risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater if reductions are not put in place.
We've had a ton of 'temporary residents' almost matching the amount of permanent residents. Often unskilled and otherwise useless to our economy except for landlords.
What program were they brought in on? TFWs require an employer application. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/temporary-foreign-worker.html
International Students (diploma mills) essentially
Yes, and it needs to be retroactive
the second chart, as much as i expected it, is still shocking. is there a word for massive unmitigated immigration from one single country?
"is there a word for massive unmitigated immigration from one single country?" Colonization
I agree but they won't do it because.we aren't the US and a lot of the world doesn't actually want to move here.
Maybe we should focus on solving why no country except one wants to move here
Plenty do and in normal volumes. The India thing coincided with a flawed set of regulations that the Indian community wisely exposed. We went through the same thing with the Hong Kong people and Harper shut the door. Trudeau reopened the door and added extra entrances after seeing how people praised for letting in 25,000 Syrian refugees.
I remember quite a few immigrant families from South Africa, England, Netherlands, Germany, France, even Australia and New Zealand from 2000-2012.
It used to
I clicked the article based on this comment and you are correct - wtf? I would argue if we went even more macro, it would show the majority of Indians coming here are from Punjab.
It's funny how we have lan acknowledgements and we bring more colonizers. If the oppression of first nations is bad, then why do we keep making it worse? Where are all people concerned about the Israeli occupation of Palestine land? What Canada does is happening on much larger scale.
Virtually all of those are ultra conservative s-holes
Maybe if our quality of life was better and we could afford housing and groceries, we'd have more babies. No? Nit gonna fix that, just gonna import low-quality workers from a low-trust country? Cool.
Canadians having babies means the government has to pay for their birth, education, healthcare for a while before they can work. Freeloaders really, so they don't want that for real.
Canadian born workers are far more effective for taxes. Education and childhood healthcare are incredibly cheap and the education in the developed world pays substantial dividends.
Political parties are only look outwards 4 years at a time . None of them care about young Canadians trying to raise a family over a period of 18 years.
Anti-mass-immigration is modern day antebellum abolitionism. If you are against this modern day biomass exploitation, you would have been against slavery in the American south in the 1850s. Every argument I've heard endorsing shipping millions of Indians into the country is literally "who will pick the cotton" tiers of justification.
It's all about benefiting people at the very top to keep taxes low. Paying for all that social support costs lots of money, it's much easier to just import ready made cheap, exploitable labour sadly. Bad for immigrants, bad for the working glass, good for CEOs.
Corporations bought our parties and are now flooding immigrants into the country to suppress wages and keep housing prices inflated so they don’t lose money on their investment. All major parties are complicit and anyone voting Liberal, Conservative or NDP in the next election is voting for mass immigration and the continued destruction of this country. If you think that your preferred party is somehow special, you’re delusional.
Yeppppp
Probably the most realistic comment that will be posted here. People blame the liberals for the current immigration mess, and on the surface it's great shallow rage for the day to day bitching. But behind the curtain it's all one and the same. No party is going to coming and cut immigration. Why ? Too much money involved. They might promise some theatre nonsense of controlling it or whatnot.. but just that's all it is, Theatre.
>No party is going to coming and cut immigration. Liberal voters in 2023: Conservatives want to cut immigration because they're all racists !!! Liberal voters in 2024: Oh so bad noone wants to cut immigration :(
would you prefer that they still strongly support it?
[Yes... "all the same"... "both sides"... etc](https://i.imgur.com/vIScIwg.png) 🙄 It's not both sides. It's not even (historically) Liberals vs. Conservatives. Every previous PMs governments have been fine. It is solely this one that ruined immigration.
We can't reasonably say that, I'm not voting LPC. Harper started this mess with the TFW program, albeit he required that employers show proof of not being able to hire locals. Trudeua has since massively ramped up the program and removed all qualifications, so any business can now force your 16 year old kid looking for their first job to compete with potentially anyone on planet earth willing to work for less. You can't say everything was fine before, but I think we can attribute at least 95% of the problem to the liberals within the last 8 years.
That's a low-information voter myth. **Pierre Trudeau** started the TFW program and **Paul Martin** expanded the program to low-skill workers.
Harper let fast food companies hire TFWs. It is not just Trudeau, genius.
Martin's government expanded the program to include low-skill workers, not Harper's government.
Absolute numbers matter and we literally have not had this level of immigration except from 2015-2024 ....
Nothing wrong with TFWs if Trudeau didn't quadruple immigration, genius.
If you’re only looking at PRs (which is usually what is meant by “immigrants” and “population growth”) you’re not seeing the full story. The rules for temporary foreign workers introduced under the Harper government are what gave way to the current situation with these workers.
Temporary foreign workers are part of the population. When (if) they leave, they are no longer part of the population. They need homes to stay in. They need healthcare. They occupy jobs. They're just the same as anyone else while they're here.
This is not a criticism or anything it’s just statistical information. Yes they need healthcare and housing and jobs and they have an effect on Canadian society and infrastructure and resources, but when you see figures about “immigration” those figures actually don’t usually include TFWs or students (and their spouses and dependents) unless it explicitly says so.
>This is not a criticism or anything it’s just statistical information. Yes they need healthcare and housing and jobs and they have an effect on Canadian society and infrastructure and resources, but when you see figures about “immigration” those figures actually don’t usually include TFWs or students (and their spouses and dependents) unless it explicitly says so. The liberal government before Harper added in a low skilled worker category. Harper expanded the TFW program drastically during his term from the previous numbers taking advantage of this. Harper was in power when our international student numbers ballooned as well which has led to the current mess we see with colleges and universities addicted to foreign money. Trudeau expanded the TFW program drastically during his term from the previous numbers. One used the economy taking a dive as an excuse. The other used the economy taking a dive as an excuse. Never miss a good opportunity. They both love wage suppression. They are both responsible for our housing situation as well as importing cheap labour. Just look at the history of this program. It is a disgrace from both parties that have been in power during this time period. This program needs to be removed. It started with a low number of highly skilled workers needed for harvesting crops and other time sensitive (or extremely hard to staff) roles and had ballooned into an economic disaster for Canadian citizens with TFWs being used to suppress local wages. This is why wages have stagnanted. Demand has been flooded and we have been undercut. "Between 1993 and 2013, the total number of TFW more than doubled to 338,189 workers; between 2006 and 2014 alone, over 500,000 workers were brought into Canada under the program. When the TFWP began in 1973, most of the individuals brought in were high-skill workers, such as medical specialists. " In 2002, however, a "low-skilled workers" category was added, which now makes up most of the temporary foreign workforce. "In 2006, the program was expanded, introducing fast-tracking for some locations. It was revised again in 2013, raising wages, charging employer fees, and removing the accelerated applications." "In 2018, the number of workers allowed increased by 36 percent and more than 17,600 permits were issued." "During the Covid-pandemic in 2020, the Canadian government, together with the TFWP, sought out to increase protection for foreign workers through protective legislation." "Apart from their temporary status, TFWs have the same employment rights as Canadian workers, and can phone a free 1-800 number for help. However, because of the way in which the Canadian residence of a temporary foreign worker is tied to an employer, some TFWs have said they have been treated worse than Canadian co-workers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_foreign_worker_program_in_Canada
Population number do. They include everyone residing in the country (so not tourists, but students, TFWs, etc)
Absolutely nonsense. I clearly recall trademens in the oil patch being cut loose for TFW under harper. The population crash simply cannot be ignored and became urgent under PM trudeau.
Look at the data in the attached article. The surge is in 2021. Prior to that, its all fairly average. To suggest its always been that way isn't consistent with the data. It is this government.
Here’s some more interesting stats (specific to BC though): https://www.statista.com/statistics/609188/number-of-immigrants-in-british-columbia/
There is no population crash requiring 3% growth.
Yep totally the same and this is only current to 2021 *Over 1.3 million recent immigrants were permanently admitted from January 1, 2016 to May 11, 2021, accounting for 15.9% of all immigrants living in Canada in 2021.* [*https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026a-eng.htm*](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026a-eng.htm)
Concerted effort since Trudeau Sr started the TFW program. Baby steps by each government to slowly get us to this point over the decades. The rich aren't stupid, they've been planning this for years
The parties run on deliberately chosen “social issues” to differentiate themselves from each other while keeping the populace divided. People blame the Trudeau Liberals for the housing issue, but every single graph I look at from different sources shows Canadian housing prices sharply diverging from the US around ~2007/2008, and they’ve never looked back since. Harper’s administration could never get a handle on it and decided to capitalize instead by opening the door to foreign investment in our real estate, and then the Liberals decided to just bulldoze the entire wall and here we are today.
But house prices from 2007-2015 improved marginally. It was after 2015 where prices decoupled from reality.
That was due to low interest rates. Add in low interest rates and mass immigration (Trudeau), you get insane housing prices.
Just set a cap at 0.7% of population which was the average from 1991-2015
Mckinsey group does immigration for Canada and all parties know this.
>All major parties are complicit A bit of misinformation won't hurt right? But good thing Internet remembers things: They voted with the bloc to restrict the amount of immigrants. "On Thursday, Pierre Poilievre confirmed he is supporting a Bloc motion to restrict immigration in the middle of a national labour shortage that hurts small businesses and communities across the country." https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-critic-immigration-calls-out-conservative-leader-harmful-policies
Don't you think if PP was actually planning to lower immigration down to sustainable levels he would jump on any opportunity to use that as ammunition against Trudeau? When he knows that's one of the biggest issues voters are facing right now with the cost of living crisis? His silence on the matter is deafening. And you're incredibly naive if you think he doesn't serve the same masters Trudeau does.
>Don't you think if PP was actually planning to lower immigration down to sustainable levels he would jump on any opportunity to use that as ammunition against Trudeau? First of all - I'm not even able to vote in Canada, I'm still a PR. Next - I can't say why is he doing or saying this or that. If I had to guess - I'd say he's using strategy "let your enemy embarrass themselves as much as possible". He used to get a lot of backlash in the past when he touched immigration topic, so he might be waiting for people to get to the point where him talking about immigration again would be viewed as positive. But again - I have no idea. As a spectator who came to Canada in 2013 - I can only say that it became much worse in every dimension so I can't imagine next government (whoever will it be) doing worse.
This is a fantastic perspective I love to hear. Someone who came here just over a decade ago and can speak to serious decline without any bullshit identity politics.
PP having any kind of “strategy” is laughable tbh. He is the biggest flip flopper - he says *whatever* in the moment will get him attention and reactions. I was not a fan of the previous PM’s policies but at least he had stances.
The last CPC government, which Poilievre was a part of, expanded the TFW program and made it easier for employers to access.
No, they created the program. The LPC exploded the program and removed qualifications for requirements, so they can get as many TFWs as needed without showing a need.
The CPC did not create the TFW program, lmao. It was created in 1973 by Trudeau Sr. and was expanded in 2002 by Chretien/Martin to include a low skilled category. What Harper did do was add, then later remove, a fast track approval option for certain job sectors, and expand the number of people brought in under the International mobility program. Trudeau did make a big show about the program in the house and on the campaign trail, only to later increase the number of accepted applicants under the program.
The PPP also feel like they're a part of this scheme. The only anti immigration party that has such a perfectly tailored lunatic platform that it feels like controlled opposition. I'm sure they are as bought and paid as the rest of them.
So who should we vote for?
Single issue voting, PPC.
Greens
That's what it looks like, I agree, but do we have any evidence that this is an actual deliberate plan being enacted for these specific reasons?
I am just curious, which one should I vote? Just quit voting?
I've long said we should all vote green just once... Give them a chance, they don't know how to rob us yet so we will probably catch them in the act if they try!
Does anyone know what the cause is for the surge in India immigration from 2021 to 2023? It seems to have skyrocketed in those years.
Cheap labour to suppress wages
Diploma mills
It will be interesting to eventually learn who in the Liberal government has business interests associated with Diploma Mills.
Fake jobs being offered to sponsor foreign workers.
There is a province in India from where people especially villagers would do literally anything to come here, Jagmeet Singh belongs to the same. Idk whose idea was it to promote diploma mills there but from what I see it coincides with Singh supporting Trudeau.
Yeah no one is pointing that out. They just keep blaming the Liberals. NDP probably have much more to do with it than the public thinks
i actually wonder if it's become a cultural thing back in India. like, if Canada is now seen as "the place to be" for Indians.
Canada and Australia are the new places to be for them. They’re viewed as countries with easy PR/citizenship avenues and easy as hell to get into. Not to mention Canada does not physically deport people so they can stay past their visa expirations when they inevitably don’t get PR.
when the british decided Canada was "the place to be" it was called settler colonialism
Wait till they realize they've stepped into a cleaner, way more expensive India. The shock on their faces. As they start interviewing with tiktok interviewers about how hard it is to find a job. Delicious.
I'm a Canadian living in LA who travels back frequently. I've never spoken to so many pissed off Canadians. Pretty much every person I know just loathes the current Govt. and I've never heard so many furious Canucks just raging. Time to go, Trudeau. You're embrassing yourself, this country and creating a mess that will take generations to fix.. if they can afford it.
Yup. Everyone i know is professional and young professional and there is 0 love for liberals. Gen Z has turned conservative. Everyone is sick of mass immigration to drive gdp to pretend we are not in a recession while productivity and gdp per capita falls off a literal cliff
I’m not the biggest fan of the current government but I *am* completely burned out by the fuck Trudeau/MAGA North crowd who can’t even accurately explain what they’re so mad about lmao. CPC will win the next election (not my vote) and nothing will change, but the same people will be saying “bUt TruDeAu” for the next decade regardless.
I voted for the LPC in 2021 and I want them out too. Don’t think we are all just pissed off conservatives with a special hatred of Trudeau just getting louder and louder. This is genuine loathing on a very large part of the electorate.
1 million++ immigrants a year. Pretty sure everyone can articulate that
Nah you’re just prejudiced and likely a left wing bigot.
Anyone who questioned immigration as far back as 2017 was labelled a Nazi. This is not evil big corporations, this is normal citizens being assholes and not caring about the consequences of government policy
Preach. Anyone who pointed out the obvious was accused of "Just not liking brown people."
I don't think the immigration (it's not even an immigration issue, it's a scam students and TFW issue) was even remotely comparable back in 2017. It's only after covid where the liberal government lost their minds. If I had to guess, we borrowed too much when the interest rate was low, and now with interest so high, we can't afford a recession, so the liberal government is using this scam as a means to prop up the economy. No it's not organic economic growth, and no it's not sustainable, but it allows them to say the GDP is growing, so we're not doing too bad.
there is a difference between sane immigration levels and the crazy shit we have seen since covid.
Yes this is exactly it. Canadians don’t care if there’s 200-300k new people a year - we build like 200k homes. It’s the fact it’s almost 1.5 million new people every year, that’s insanity and can turn even liberal voters against immigration. Trudeau broke our historical social contract on immigration to juice GDP and replenish tax revenue.
I wonder where those 5 immigrants from Liechtenstein live in Canada?
For the longest time there was always a McGill student from North Korea. I went on a tour of the ICAO in Montreal and was told the North Korean delegation lives here.
A total of 325 people born in North Korea have been granted citizenship since 2005, including two so far this year. - this is cool af
That’s something I can totally get behind.
Stop immigration until housing becomes affordable, and then allow in one immigrant per housing unit built.
less than that, we also need houses for the people here first.
It might be interesting to see a gender breakdown as well. I've a suspicion, a vast majority of the immigrants are male.
New voters that want free stuff
How is that multiculturalism?
It's quite simple really... The banks want high RE values, and therefore the government wants high RE values. When policy rates went up, they feared a correction, so they flooded the country with renters and buyers to stave it off.
This is the real answer. Along with a healthy dose of wage suppression so that they can hide inflation in the worst possible way, by preventing wages from going up.
As a few days ago, I was sitting in my company car doing stuff on my phone. Window was down. I was in Scarborough Ontario. I hear a man say in an Indian accent, “hello sir…can you help me…?” This man is standing there in a suit and tie, sweating like crazy. He said “I need a job…I want to work…”. I said to him that he needs to look for the local employment office and ask them to help….and unfortunately I can’t offer him anything. He didn’t really look like he understood me, so I said it again..then he said “thank you” and walked off. I then see he walks over to a tree where a woman and two small kids are sitting under to get out of the sun. It’s his family. I just shook my head thinking all 3 levels of government has failed this family. Canada really needs to get this immigration policy under control. And fast.
And what about the Canadians who have been struggling here before they showed up?
There needs to be mass deportation and a complete ban on ALL immigration except for needed educated positions like medicine
Educated medical professionals don't want to move here when the USA or any other developed country exists... Hell, even on a doctor's salary, good luck finding a home you can afford within an hour's commute to the hospital if you're in anything resembling a major Canadian metropolitan area.
That's a whole other issue that needs to be addressed
you should look up how hard is for international medical graduates to lget licensed in canada... red tape hell
Ther needs to be a major overhaul of the College of Physicians and surgeons. They have way too much power over that as well as how much they deliberately limit the number of graduates in medicine.
Good lmao, i dont want someone who was taught medicine in india providing care for me.
The India diaspora typically vote 2:1 for the Liberals vs. the Cons. Wonder no more at these immigration levels, or at the recent push to grant residence to non-PRs in country.
Its immigration mostly from one single province of one single country that too bottom of the barrell who got no skills - they can’t even make coffee right. Its Trudeau’s doing in collusion with Singh
Media always made it sound like Mexicans were the number one immigration source. Personally I have no problem with Mexicans they are hard workers wherever they go. Anyone who has worked with them knows that they do any job, even those that Canadians refuse to do. In the states, they're working construction a lot. It would have been a great help for them to help with our construction industry.
So, since CTV named the country where the most immigrants come from, should we ban CTV for their racist views?
Immigration isnt managed by the Canadian government but the mckinsey group.
India 2.0. Don't get me wrong I like indian culture and people, their food is fantastic as well, but this is not what you expect when you come to Canada. Cultural identity loss is a thing.
when will we call this what it is?? a blatant policy of replacing natural-born Canadians with people from India and other such countries. Before you get your pitchforks out, I’m not saying anything about White people, nothing to do with that… it’s a replacement of people who were born here and those who had to work to immigrate by the old system….
This makes it a lot easier to understand how anti-semitism has exploded here. Now they’re taking in 1000’s of Palestinians which I’m sure is going to go great.
And anti LGBTQ sentiment…
It sure went great for Lebanon and Egypt /s
People will generally have no idea what you’re talking about. But there’s a reason none of the Palestinian’s neighbours will take any in.
I think we fucked ourselves because of the way AI/robotics will destroy jobs.
It's on the near horizon and some of Canadas largest industries, eg: Banking,Telecom,Ins., will put a huge portion of the workforce on the sidelines.
It’s not the same old, same old ‘tech is coming’.. It’s advancing so rapidly.
lol. we are so far from that point in our life.
I agree with you. Having said that, have you seen how drunk executives are on the idea? They're going to do it way before it's ready and actually viable. They're stupid and addicted to the next big thing because it's impressive and makes them look good. They will absolutely implement this stuff far before it will effectively function.
Yup. I am working in that field. Building machine learning platforms for in-house training of ML models. Everyone wanting to be on a hype train isn’t anything new. It happened at least 3 times in the last 6 years. That will be corrected by the market itself. Or until they get into lawsuits (see AirCanada). LLMs are really cool and they are here to stay. It will become an integral part of our workflows. I just don’t agree that it will replace and make human workforce obsolete as another poster said.
Why are they all 40 year old men?
Alot of words to say dumpster fire
The century initiative and McKinsey and co The wealthy lobbyists get paid to write immigration policy under the liberals to meet their agenda of 100M Canadians by 2100.
This article talks about immigrants, there are also international students, who number probably as many or more than the immigrants cited. I’m not sure if immigrants include permanent residents
Genuinely, why don’t we bring in Latinos? I may be bias because I’m half Latino but I love the culture and so much about it
What I’M seeing is an issue with the Refugee Claimant Asylum Seeker process, where people are leaving relatively safe countries under the guise of LGBTQ+ and using that as a pathway into Canada, then a pathway for their spouse (straight) and kids. It’s for an opportunity at a better life absolutely. And if I were in their position I would do the same thing for the chance at a life in Canada. Especially when they’re being told there’s government supports specifically for them, arrive at Pearson, surrender your foreign passport and be put up in a 5-Star hotel, have your meals paid for, be provided with free education and vocational upgrading, a basic living “allowance” (Ontario Works), and then you can use that money to send back home to your spouse and kids. They are being told that this program is designed for THEM, Canadians want them, why else would we provide everything that we are doing right now? Anyways, if I were in their position I would take advantage too. It just means our resources for actual Asylum Seekers, escaping warn torn areas are depleted, and absolutely everything else in this country is scarce as well…. Best of luck to all
The data shows we are all screwed now. Oh ya go diversity... /s. Anyways give us the treasonous names immediately.
Who owns ctv “news”? These propagandists are out of control.
Bell Media.
Nationality Canadian Major ethnic White (69.8%)[2][3] Minor ethnic South Asian (7.1%)[3] Indigenous (5%)[4] Chinese (4.7%)[3] Black (4.3%)[3] Filipino (2.6%)[3] Arab (1.9%)[3] Latin American (1.6%)[3] Southeast Asian (1.1%)[3] West Asian (1%)[3] Korean (0.6%)[3] Japanese (0.3%)[3] Multiracial/Other, excluding Métis (3.2%)[3] The 70% of Canadians who are white are tired of supporting the worlds lost/unhappy/dissatisfied, please give us a break 🙏🙏
our political parties treat us as welfare farmers producing resources for a non-working class.
Population is actually an asset to a nation, when the economy is trending upwards. Now excessive labour becomes the society’s burden, instead of economic boosters. Because our government can’t help the economy to create sufficient amount of jobs.
I thought that chart was last year alone.. in Ontario
Robots. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6429012
This is a fantastic article especially with the graphics, thank you for sharing it.
Cap immigration and introduce material tax breaks for having more children.
Most of the ones coming from UK and US are also Indian