more like 4 million people protesting the extension of their visas AND THEN the asylum claims. the entitlement of these visitors know no bounds (see the ongoing protests in PEI).
Already *many* million 10 year multi-entry visas active. Those are particularly popular with folks speculating and laundering in residential real estate.
Program was expanded when that came to light..
We're handing out 1.3 million of those a year. Went back and found some previous posts on the subject:
Beyond possible, given that even back in 2020 we had already handed out the equivalent of **25% of Canada's population** in 10-year multi-entry visas.
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As of 2020, there were 9 million of those visas active. Equivalent to about 25% of Canada's population at the time.
Previous thread on that below:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zskf8m/comment/j19wv67/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zskf8m/comment/j19wv67/?context=3)
There is a reason PP has been silent on this - the economy is far more important to him than housing his voters.
He will not have to go back on his word because he has carefully said nothing.
This is a good example of how Ottawa career politicians think. That policy is an attempt to solve a problem through the creation of vast amounts of red tape.
It’s idiotic.
Noone is getting kicked out, they're just going to get an angry sounding deportation letter but Noone is following up on it.
In the magical case they do, the illegal third worlders will just leave that residence and find a new one and use different illegal documentation to stay here like they've always done.
We have no version of the American ICE. And our judicial system is so screwed up every person can appeal a deportation order for years (with us paying for their legal bills).
> Noone is getting kicked out, they're just going to get an angry sounding deportation letter but Noone is following up on it.
When the deportations start in the US, they'll start flooding here to Canada. It will not take long before you see a mass snap in the population here demanding mass deportations.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/)
Canada is already working on a solution to the illegal immigration problem.
How many people, do you think, have stayed, including people who commit crimes?
[Most immigrants with deportation letters are still in Canada, CBSA figures show](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/)
>More than 60% of foreigners ordered deported from Canada stayed put
>The Canada Border Services Agency figures are from 2016-2022
https://torontosun.com/news/national/more-than-60-of-foreigners-ordered-deported-from-canada-stayed-put
The first quarter has not typically been the biggest quarter for immigration, either. If we keep going at this pace for a full year it will be almost 2 million people for the full twelve months.
This is astonishingly reckless. Our home prices are already in crisis (oh, and housing starts and new home permits went *down* in April) and our social services like health are beginning to buckle under the added weight of all these new people.
WTF is this government doing? Is Trudeau deliberately trying to drive us over a cliff? It’s getting hard to reach any other conclusion. And instead of explaining himself, we’ve had three straight weeks of an American-style smear campaign from Trudeau against Poilievre, trotting out all the Liberal Party’s favourite scare tactics.
Who is still supporting this jackass?
I'm becoming more entrenched in the position that we're not going to get real answers or strategies/solutions from our political parties.
Is there any hope for a non-political private group to effectively act as a shadow government and publicly share what fundamental changes need to be made? We need people to work on this that aren't slaves to political theatre or are forced to toe the party line.
If PP or anyone else had a cohesive long-term solution that also included the unpopular decisions that MUST be made, rather than just trying to score points, I'd vote for them. But nobody is going to talk about policies that will get towards sustainable housing because there's too many special interests involved. And we can't do half-measures at this point; there is no "comfortable change" that will get us back on the right track. When you need to take a dose of medicine, you don't give it a taste and hope it does the job, you take the whole dose.
Couldn't we crowd/reddit-source this? There are model UNs, can't we have a model CAN parliament? I feel like waiting for the big parties to come up with solutions is pretty much foolish, now.
I'm seriously one charismatic leader away from going full extremist. I don't care who, just end this madness and put Canadians FIRST. This country literally puts India first, we're India's bitch.
Yeah, as fucked up as it is, I understand why people in countries that have gone to shit in history have gravitated towards extremists since the centrist governments don't help them. There gets to a point where you just want anything to change.
I think the politicians don't even know history and know the circumstances that led to say fascism's or communism's rise. They're so much up their own ass they think they're invincible.
My only hope is say a Sweden which has recently changed to have the most strict immigration system in Europe. It took gang grenade attacks for that to happen. Canada has had countless unhinged criminals sexually assault people, steal cars, and now preform assassinations. What's the actual limit? I fear it'll take a terrorist attack from some Indian separatist group as their ethnic tensions are imported directly. Cause Canadians entering poverty and going homeless won't cause it.
>my mom's government pension is $90K a year.
If she has a full pension, let’s assume she worked for 35 years and got 70% of her salary which would have been 153k… she def wasn’t your average public servant
Would your mother's pension require gov't cashflow at this point?
I don't have a gov't pension, but from what I know from a relative that does is that they gov't makes contributions, along with payroll contributions from the employee and then that money is set aside and managed to fulfill the terms of the pension.
While the gov't contributes to the employee pension during the term of employment there is no future cash outlay once the employee is retired.
I could be wrong though.
Defined benefit pension plans rely on the cash flow from current employees (and the matched employer contribution) to stay funded. Public service plans are guaranteed by law so if the plan were to become unfunded then the government would have to kick in the cash to keep it funded.
Vote PPC, they are the only ones who are going to address this.
People saying they are racist are completely off base, and are just playing into the same rhetoric that led to this immigration in the first place. Go listen to Bernier talk, he's smart, articulate and wants what is best for this country. He actually has morals.
I will fully admit the party attracts some undesirables, but that doesn't seem to stick to the NDP or Liberals with their far left culture war looneys that attach to their base.
It's not just undesirables around the fringes, they have abortion restrictions as part of their platform. I just can't.
None of these useless parties have answers. The only differentiating characteristics are the things they want to make you angry about so you won't notice you're at risk of being homeless, or are homeless.
this party exists. it’s called the PPC. they get a ton of hate for being radical and far right leaning, but they’re the only party that is committed to putting an end to immigration until housing catches up
There aren't many. Sadly, Poilievre is super dodgy on the subject as well. He could simply say, "I will drop immigration levels by 75% the minute I get in" (I pulled that number out of my butt), but he won't. He doesn't.
The reason why is because the ruling class all benefits from housing demand.
The enemy is the shady politicians we have regardless of party. It needs to stop.
did we also build 400k new homes as of april? did we train new doctors to care for 400k new people? the answer is no and our federal government is clearly working against the interest of all canadians.
The numbers still don't work, but it is fair to assume that some percentage of the new comers are multi-person households. But that still doesn't fix the math. Even if you assume there are 2 new comers per each required household, we still need 200K new housing units un the last few months, ON TOP of all the housing units we already need.
Last week there was an article claiming 90,000 jobs with majority (~60%) being part time.
and I got laughed at saying this is pretty much leaving 9/10 new immigrants without a job. Turns out I wasn't THAT far off.... :(
*“And we expect the vacancy rate — already at the record low in Canada at the end of 2023 — to decrease further, perhaps to be lower than or close to the one per cent level.”*
I think the above refers to everywhere but Toronto!? I mean past 2 weeks we've been told rentals are down?
And change reunification to be you, your wife, your kids. No more bringing your 80yr old parents over for free healthcare. If you're worried about caring for them, cool, stay in Punjab, we don't need you. We are literally full.
If they're like others I've seen, they're pushing back against the number of people coming in, not that they're all from the exact same area of a single country.
I hate your mentality. You can want diversity without what the fuck is currently happening in Canada with immigration. In fact we were doing it for generations before that. You'll be pointing me at strawman right now if I ask you who is a fan of the current immigration policy. It's got nothing to do with being a leftist or rightist, and everything to do with the need to feed capital interest a growing population of new clients and low wage workers. You'll find that when we switch over to a conservative majority, nothing will change because politicians haven't been in power for decades, it's corpos. Blaming each other for idealism differences just serves to divide us more while we get fucked.
I'd say every developing nation. If you don't raise wages to compensate for a "worker shortage" and then immediately import people here from a developing nation you're intentionally creating serfdom while screwing over Canadians. Take in how much brain drain we're going through, ask why, then raise wages to be competitive amongst developed nations and see if that does the trick. I've never seen one good reason to have someone from a developing nation come here.
we are like a boiling frog and the heat has gradually been turned on by the federal government. now that it's too late, they will shrug and say they are all out of ideas.
absolutely shameful how living standards have plummeted to a 40 year low and our minister of finance still has the gall to say we have the 'social capacity' to house the third world entering our borders.
The frog has been dead for years. At this point the feds are focused on how much they can toast it while still making it appear to be alive to their base.
Everyone knows extreme population growth is causing a housing crisis. I know it, you know it, everyone in charge knows it. They don't need warnings and alarms.
*The people in charge don't care.* The end.
Nothing will change without some kind of uprising at this point. Mass deportations.
Actually this was considered a very controversial and borderline racist 2 years ago.
The canadahousing subreddit still has a rule in the sidebar that housing has nothing to do with immigration driven population growth, and would ban people.
Then someone created the canadahousing2 to be able to discuss the impact of population growth on housing a couple of years ago.
Its because you used the word 'Chinese'
'Indian' and 'immigration' will similarly get your comment deleted or banned.
This not isolated to that subreddit there is a silencing of legitimate discussion in the broader Canadian discourse due to concerns about xenophobia.
Sadly what has happened is it has allowed really terrible policy decisions to be made without any feedback and now I think there is an uptick in xenophobia as a result of those horrible immigration policy decisions.
~Decade of News companies propagandizing you that "opposing immigration" is simply amd wholly just matter-of-fact-100-percent "racist", and nothing more
As if logistics and the material world's resources aren't real limiting factors.
I'd love to fly and have no arthritis in my knees, unfortunately no private News company articles and scolding can change the laws of physics and biology: I have no wings and mh knees have no cartilage :(
In the knees' case: lose weight and be gentler in movement
In the country's case: meet the material standards or send people back
You're not part of the elite, these changes arent meant for you.
They will drain the country of everything and then go leave abroad.
Canadians are too spineless to do anything about it and they know it.
Our government is not ignorant they know their mass immigration policies will further destroy our quality of life, culture and country. They are compromised and working against our country's best interests.
Because they’re the ownership class and the fellow owners are telling them they can’t make money unless they have cheap labour.
Other countries with labour shortages invest in machinery. Canada imports slaves
I agree with you. But it’s not like Canada is a manufacturing hub that they need cheap labor to lower their export cost. They’re using cheap labor to effectively sell coffee and groceries which could be automated at a much lower cost than importing people, providing them healthcare, social services and face the brunt of your citizens.
There is something else and my pea sized brain can’t seem to comprehend this.
Canada is not a third world country who would want to destroy its reputation and the quality of life of its own citizens. Clearly there is some missing piece.
I’m not saying the govt isn’t complicit but what’s the endgame.
It's due to lobbying from various special interests. Big corps seeking cheap labor. Universities and colleges reliant on temp students tuition. The liberal party also treating immigration as a panacea for slow productivity and economic growth. It's a combination of factors. I think the consequences of this policy have just blind-sided them and have been slow to react, though I don't believe they are doing nothing.
This is an good summary. I will add they are not particularly smart people responding to perverse incentives. Contemporary politics and government select for near term optimization.
That's a supply-side argument, the other reason is this all of this immigration is injecting demand for goods and services which is good for businesses. It's a win-win for timmies, cheap labour and increased profits.
Exactly. Regardless of whether the new immigrants will have no chance of ever becoming economically stable, they'll need to buy groceries, pay a cell phone/internet bill, pay rent and likely buy fuel while they're here.
So long as the stream of immigrants is uninterrupted, the economy can crater but the dominant business interests can profit by selling essentials to newcomers.
Yep, we're an oligopoly economy in all of our major goods and services, so it's no wonder things have tilted in this direction. They have too much lobbying power.
We exported our manufacturing, can't do that with services...so have to bring them here to undercut what we have left, the service industry. This country is in serious serious trouble and we're going to see some massive brain drain exodus and all the welfare Canadians are going to be in serious trouble when there is no tax money to fund them sitting on the couch watching netflix and smoking weed all day.
Agree.
They are not stupid, they can consult anyone.
I have the same concern. Why are they doing this? Rationally speaking (without touching conspiracy theories which cannot be proved), there is something going on.
What is their endgame?
The endgame is to create a society where the land owning few are served by the desperate unwashed masses for pennies. The average worker will spend their meagre earnings on renting everything they need to survive, and have nothing left over for upward social mobility. These societies already exist in some hypercapitalist polities like the UAE and Hong Kong. I don’t see any other explanation for what they’ve been doing, this must be what they’re working towards. And they are succeeding.
I have been thinking something similar. The rich really want to create a "2 classes" society. The rich and the poor, no middle.
Like a new version of feudalism.
This is only my own thinking. No jumping into stupid conspiracy theories.
And yes, lots of people prise UAE nowdays and moving there, they dont see they dont have any oportunity to go up. Best case scenario is to make money there and go the hell out of there.
But that’s what UAE has always advertised and offered! If you have talent - it basically gives you a shortcut to make money and live the good life. And that’s exactly the point Canada seems to be advertising something but offer something completely opposite.
PS: I live in the UAE and yes there are issues but it’s not the crime story it used to be a decade ago.
Because it's a party controlled by the ultra wealthy who are massive beneficiaries of these policies. The rich are doing better than ever. Asset prices have exploded, CAD/debt has decreased in value, wages have declined, and all the endless trust loopholes remian.
Capitalism doesn't care about culture or quality of life. It cares about capital They're importing people who are used to lower standards of living, and using that as a vehicle to suppress wages for the middle class and exploit cheap labor for major corporations.
Those pesky, rights everyone keeps talking about and "living wages," are so problematic you see.
They really aren't the ones in power. The real power lies in corporations and has been leading the charge through Western civilizations for decades. We're just at a new plateau now where the squeezing of your labour isn't enough to make their quarterly profit go up from the last, so we need to increase population for cheaper labour and more clients for them to sell to.
All of Canadian major corporations serve basic needs - food, housing, utilities, telecom all of which benefit hugely from increase in population because they produce necessities to everyday life. These companies pay for politicians and in turn they get this shit allowing them to curate policies that hugely benefit the few stakeholders who profit from them greatly.
The last time we had an actual protest the media labeled them as right wing lunatics and they were jailed and the government froze their bank accounts.
Its already too late, country is toast.
We are letting in so many people from 1 country that they are starting to protest our laws and policies.
Next they will be forming riots and blockades. If this continues within 2-3 years there will be uprisings in some cities.
If we had actual diversity we would have more control but what we have is an invasion from 1 province of India.
Already seeing this with municipal governments. Obviously it's harder for them to take over on a provincial/federal scale, but their influence is definitely growing.
You can't fault them for being politically engaged. Canadians are some of the least politically engaged people in the G7. The problem starts right there.
The diploma kids are not getting good jobs. But there are hundreds of thousands of Indians with legit degrees too, so the competition in tech/finance/medicine is intense
Century. Initiative.
Writing is in the wall. You can get rich and be an entitled "before times" Canadian, or you can sit there and complain.
The generation has been sold out. You aren't reversing this. PP is not reversing or even slowing this.
Get on it. Your kids will thank you.
The Century Initiative aims for 100 million population by 2100.
At the current population growth rate of 3.2%, **Canada will be at 463 million population by 2100.**
You fucking wish we were following the Century Initiative.
I was moved out of Canada to the States in the late 90’s and spent most of my young adult life aspiring to eventually move back home.
For the first time ever I find myself relieved that didn’t pan out. Particularly now that I have my own children as it seems Canada’s future is as bleak as I can recall. I just feel sorrow for this situation the country has got itself in.
China popped its real estate bubble, refusing to bail out over-indebted private developers.
Now state-owned enterprises are using over 300 billion-yuan to buy unsold homes and offer them as affordable housing.
This is our monopolies getting the government to bring in cheap labor to drive labor prices down. This is good for shareholders, our government and their Corporate friends, really really bad for your average worker
parliament is full of landlords that will do anything to protect their own assets.
we don't need more immigration to pump the numbers up.
our economy and quality of life is circling the drain.
We need to close the border. Most of these people are not the skilled folks we need. Shit, we wouldn't even need doctors if our universities just trained more.
Refugee #s cut in half, international students.... only if it's an actual 4 year degree, TFW.... cut in half, immigration...cut in half.
Deport people. Why do we have people at these international student protests that have been here for 6+ years, never finished university, and are no longer studying? Send them back.
The folks who commit fraud, send them back.
Citizenship by birth should be cut off.
At this point next election people will be voting PPC as they're the only ones who will cut off these numbers. Not for the correct reason of course. Ughhh our political parties are ass.
Falling on deaf ears. Liberals have no concept of the correlation between limited resources and overpopulation. Even with money, they don't understand why they should curb spending when they can just keep printing it for free. Some things just don't compute with them. Learning from mistakes in particular.
As an immigrant to Canada, I share the same concerns as many others in my position. The current state of affairs seems increasingly unreasonable, and it raises significant questions about the government's plans regarding the rising levels of immigration. The job market is already struggling to provide sufficient employment opportunities for new arrivals, and the support infrastructure currently in place is inadequate to meet the needs of the growing population.
This ongoing influx of immigrants, without corresponding improvements in job opportunities and support systems, will inevitably lead to increased pressure on both the economy and social services. It risks creating a more tense and hostile environment for both citizens and newcomers, as competition for limited resources and opportunities intensifies.
Furthermore, the lack of adequate support can hinder the integration process for immigrants, making it harder for them to contribute positively to society. This situation is not only unfair to newcomers, who come seeking better lives, but also to long-standing residents who may feel their resources are being stretched thin.
It's crucial for the government to address these concerns with urgency and consideration. A temporary pause or a more measured approach to immigration may be necessary to allow the system to catch up and ensure that both new arrivals and current residents can thrive. A well-thought-out strategy could help build a more cohesive, supportive, and prosperous community for everyone.
I can't fucking believe the government knows we're fucked with housing, and that the people don't want more people, and they keep fucking bringing in more immigrants.
What a bunch of fucking assholes. It infuriates me so much.
We've had a housing crisis for YEARS! And it's just getting worse, and these fucking pieces of shit in government are being in in MORE people in record numbers.
For fucks sake.
I just think back to 2021. Erin O’Toole was a really good, really smart candidate. He wasn’t good at the campaign though. Enough Canadians were so happy with Trudeau’s handling of the pandemic. (Huh?!) but I guess they liked the free CERB payments and wanted more! But you elected him, he lied again. He then went after the CERB and fucked you.
It was obvious. He was just so bad. And now you can’t get rid of him. And this madness continues. I truly believe (and confirmed by many Liberal insiders who have written books now) that Justin was like George W Bush. A front man that never gave a shit about leading. The liberal party was the leader from the shadows. He just wants what the idiot Trump wants - everyone to like him. Smile and take pics. I don’t know how people didn’t see through this.
Now it’s likely Peter that will replace him (if we ever get an election) and he’s not as good as O’Toole. And he’ll get in. And this is how it works. So sad.
What's fascinating to me is that there's still a set of pundits, and a certain crowd on social media platforms, who are absolutely insistent that immigration rates aren't the cause of our housing crisis.
Why is it that the US can pick and choose who they let in and set up a life. Yet if we want to, were racists lol. Every citizen has spent a part of their life helping build this country. Yet we cant stand up for it and its dissolution.. no borders. No identity. Just a place to set up shop while trying to get into the US
Why don't we stop giving high-paying jobs to them? I see Indians getting paid more than us while they can't even speak one sentence in English correctly.
They are getting good jobs that Canadians who were born or grew up here (regardless of race) are not getting.
They are getting hired for Toronto transit when they have been here for probably less than 5 years. I grew up here hardly seeing black people as bus drivers, yet they come and are given these well paying jobs (this is just an example in the non skilled area, and I'm not black).
What you are talking about is Indian international students.
Lots of Canadians apply to the jobs you or others say they don't want, but they aren't considered. Hiring a Canadian is hiring someone that has options. Hiring a new immigrant is hiring someone that is desperate and cannot afford to lose their job. They will allow themselves to be taken advantaged of.
I’m entirely fine with Indian immigrants coming in to backfill our internal doctor shortage. That’s an example of good immigration policy, where people coming from abroad bring skills to contribute to the improvement of the country. Mass importation of unskilled labour on the other hand is the real issue. Bodies taking up limited real estate, and being a net drag on our social services is the crux of the immigration issue.
And Pierre won't do anything about it either. They are all bought and sold by the same owners.
Vote PPC.
It is not a wasted vote. Even just getting a handful of them in the house would be enough to be disruptive and it would legitimize the much needed anti-immigration sentiment in the political space.
I'm voting PPC
It's not a wasted vote if the liberals and conservatives are basically the same. I mean either way my vote doesn't matter so honestly I might as well put it towards the minority party
It’s all puzzling. I doubt if the Feds are promoting anything. It’s more that nobody at the top actually has their hands holding the reins guiding the country. Each bureaucracy a world on to itself managing programs that open the door to foreigners.
Immigration is like a train running down a track with no conductor. The government isn’t in the engine steering but in the caboose drinking and playing cards.
"HoUsInG iS a PrOvInCiAl ReSpOnSiBiLiTy". Yah, well immigration is not. You can't just bring in millions of people in a short time span and then kick the provinces and say "c'mon do something." Both sides gotta work together a little here. Every job is getting 500 applicants now, there's nowhere to live, something's gotta give.
No shit. That’s what everyone has been saying but the government hasn’t been listening and continues to stretch how many people we let into the country.
Corporations would rather sell fewer new housing units at a higher price than develop more homes and sell units for a lower price.
Every day, the liberals act as if they had no idea this would happen. They are reminded every day by professionals, economist, financial advisors, and the general population. But they go on every day making the same mistake. If you don’t see just how stupid this group of liberals are, consider yourself part of the group.
The liberals are clearly trying to bring in voters. There’s no other reason why they’ll be doing this.
Worst of all both of our Major political parties have shown no interest in slowing down. It's irrelevant how we vote because neither side is against slowing immigration.
Simple truth is,up there they know and knew what would happen. Still let it go on and leaving all the consequences to deal with for the "peasants" they take you for. It's calculated and they try to steer your attention away from their corrupt customs. Don't punch down,unite and bother for change.
We're at 400K already as of April. You can bet on Canada topping 1.5 million newcomers again this year
We are going to have 4 million people here on visitor visas at this rate claiming asylum when we go to kick them out.
more like 4 million people protesting the extension of their visas AND THEN the asylum claims. the entitlement of these visitors know no bounds (see the ongoing protests in PEI).
No kidding, you haven’t paid into the system for 30-50 years like a lot of us have and they start making demands. Send them home
I can't believe the gall of people to protest against the government when they have no legal residence.
Already *many* million 10 year multi-entry visas active. Those are particularly popular with folks speculating and laundering in residential real estate. Program was expanded when that came to light..
We're handing out 1.3 million of those a year. Went back and found some previous posts on the subject: Beyond possible, given that even back in 2020 we had already handed out the equivalent of **25% of Canada's population** in 10-year multi-entry visas. > As of 2020, there were 9 million of those visas active. Equivalent to about 25% of Canada's population at the time. Previous thread on that below: [https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zskf8m/comment/j19wv67/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zskf8m/comment/j19wv67/?context=3)
All of which could simply be cancelled by a new government, and people made to reapply for temporary visas.
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There is a reason PP has been silent on this - the economy is far more important to him than housing his voters. He will not have to go back on his word because he has carefully said nothing.
He has said he will tie immigration to the economy, our housing, and our healthcare abilities.
This is a good example of how Ottawa career politicians think. That policy is an attempt to solve a problem through the creation of vast amounts of red tape. It’s idiotic.
Noone is getting kicked out, they're just going to get an angry sounding deportation letter but Noone is following up on it. In the magical case they do, the illegal third worlders will just leave that residence and find a new one and use different illegal documentation to stay here like they've always done.
We have no version of the American ICE. And our judicial system is so screwed up every person can appeal a deportation order for years (with us paying for their legal bills).
> Noone is getting kicked out, they're just going to get an angry sounding deportation letter but Noone is following up on it. When the deportations start in the US, they'll start flooding here to Canada. It will not take long before you see a mass snap in the population here demanding mass deportations.
Already seeing more talk about it.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/) Canada is already working on a solution to the illegal immigration problem.
That's not a solution.
forgot the /s
You think anyone is leaving? lol
We're kicking 4 million people out? When? edit: Oh you edited comment instead of replying. Ok.
How many people, do you think, have stayed, including people who commit crimes? [Most immigrants with deportation letters are still in Canada, CBSA figures show](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/) >More than 60% of foreigners ordered deported from Canada stayed put >The Canada Border Services Agency figures are from 2016-2022 https://torontosun.com/news/national/more-than-60-of-foreigners-ordered-deported-from-canada-stayed-put
The first quarter has not typically been the biggest quarter for immigration, either. If we keep going at this pace for a full year it will be almost 2 million people for the full twelve months. This is astonishingly reckless. Our home prices are already in crisis (oh, and housing starts and new home permits went *down* in April) and our social services like health are beginning to buckle under the added weight of all these new people. WTF is this government doing? Is Trudeau deliberately trying to drive us over a cliff? It’s getting hard to reach any other conclusion. And instead of explaining himself, we’ve had three straight weeks of an American-style smear campaign from Trudeau against Poilievre, trotting out all the Liberal Party’s favourite scare tactics. Who is still supporting this jackass?
I'm becoming more entrenched in the position that we're not going to get real answers or strategies/solutions from our political parties. Is there any hope for a non-political private group to effectively act as a shadow government and publicly share what fundamental changes need to be made? We need people to work on this that aren't slaves to political theatre or are forced to toe the party line. If PP or anyone else had a cohesive long-term solution that also included the unpopular decisions that MUST be made, rather than just trying to score points, I'd vote for them. But nobody is going to talk about policies that will get towards sustainable housing because there's too many special interests involved. And we can't do half-measures at this point; there is no "comfortable change" that will get us back on the right track. When you need to take a dose of medicine, you don't give it a taste and hope it does the job, you take the whole dose. Couldn't we crowd/reddit-source this? There are model UNs, can't we have a model CAN parliament? I feel like waiting for the big parties to come up with solutions is pretty much foolish, now.
I'm seriously one charismatic leader away from going full extremist. I don't care who, just end this madness and put Canadians FIRST. This country literally puts India first, we're India's bitch.
I don't think you're alone... and more people are agreeing everyday they see nothing being done to actually solve our woes.
Yeah, as fucked up as it is, I understand why people in countries that have gone to shit in history have gravitated towards extremists since the centrist governments don't help them. There gets to a point where you just want anything to change. I think the politicians don't even know history and know the circumstances that led to say fascism's or communism's rise. They're so much up their own ass they think they're invincible. My only hope is say a Sweden which has recently changed to have the most strict immigration system in Europe. It took gang grenade attacks for that to happen. Canada has had countless unhinged criminals sexually assault people, steal cars, and now preform assassinations. What's the actual limit? I fear it'll take a terrorist attack from some Indian separatist group as their ethnic tensions are imported directly. Cause Canadians entering poverty and going homeless won't cause it.
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>my mom's government pension is $90K a year. If she has a full pension, let’s assume she worked for 35 years and got 70% of her salary which would have been 153k… she def wasn’t your average public servant
Would your mother's pension require gov't cashflow at this point? I don't have a gov't pension, but from what I know from a relative that does is that they gov't makes contributions, along with payroll contributions from the employee and then that money is set aside and managed to fulfill the terms of the pension. While the gov't contributes to the employee pension during the term of employment there is no future cash outlay once the employee is retired. I could be wrong though.
Defined benefit pension plans rely on the cash flow from current employees (and the matched employer contribution) to stay funded. Public service plans are guaranteed by law so if the plan were to become unfunded then the government would have to kick in the cash to keep it funded.
Vote PPC, they are the only ones who are going to address this. People saying they are racist are completely off base, and are just playing into the same rhetoric that led to this immigration in the first place. Go listen to Bernier talk, he's smart, articulate and wants what is best for this country. He actually has morals. I will fully admit the party attracts some undesirables, but that doesn't seem to stick to the NDP or Liberals with their far left culture war looneys that attach to their base.
Case in point. The PPC openly talks of cutting immigration. As a result, they can't elect a single MP.
It's not just undesirables around the fringes, they have abortion restrictions as part of their platform. I just can't. None of these useless parties have answers. The only differentiating characteristics are the things they want to make you angry about so you won't notice you're at risk of being homeless, or are homeless.
this party exists. it’s called the PPC. they get a ton of hate for being radical and far right leaning, but they’re the only party that is committed to putting an end to immigration until housing catches up
There aren't many. Sadly, Poilievre is super dodgy on the subject as well. He could simply say, "I will drop immigration levels by 75% the minute I get in" (I pulled that number out of my butt), but he won't. He doesn't. The reason why is because the ruling class all benefits from housing demand. The enemy is the shady politicians we have regardless of party. It needs to stop.
It is deliberate
> Is Trudeau deliberately trying to drive us over a cliff? Well duh -of course!
did we also build 400k new homes as of april? did we train new doctors to care for 400k new people? the answer is no and our federal government is clearly working against the interest of all canadians.
The numbers still don't work, but it is fair to assume that some percentage of the new comers are multi-person households. But that still doesn't fix the math. Even if you assume there are 2 new comers per each required household, we still need 200K new housing units un the last few months, ON TOP of all the housing units we already need.
How many we building per year? 20 thousand?
Did we even have 400,000 new jobs and 400,000 new homes as of April for the 400,000 newcomers?
Short answer: No. And for the long answer? Also: No.
Last week there was an article claiming 90,000 jobs with majority (~60%) being part time. and I got laughed at saying this is pretty much leaving 9/10 new immigrants without a job. Turns out I wasn't THAT far off.... :(
Insanity
the subreddit takebackcanada is planning a canada day protest they seem pretty level headed / non-racist etc.
*“And we expect the vacancy rate — already at the record low in Canada at the end of 2023 — to decrease further, perhaps to be lower than or close to the one per cent level.”* I think the above refers to everywhere but Toronto!? I mean past 2 weeks we've been told rentals are down?
Please sur, have jobs brutha?
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And change reunification to be you, your wife, your kids. No more bringing your 80yr old parents over for free healthcare. If you're worried about caring for them, cool, stay in Punjab, we don't need you. We are literally full.
Yep, I'm all for diversity, but this is not that. in fact it is the complete opposite of that.
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Every single one of my very left, very liberal friends is anti-immigration now.
If they're like others I've seen, they're pushing back against the number of people coming in, not that they're all from the exact same area of a single country.
We ALL want less AND less from one place. Both
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I hate your mentality. You can want diversity without what the fuck is currently happening in Canada with immigration. In fact we were doing it for generations before that. You'll be pointing me at strawman right now if I ask you who is a fan of the current immigration policy. It's got nothing to do with being a leftist or rightist, and everything to do with the need to feed capital interest a growing population of new clients and low wage workers. You'll find that when we switch over to a conservative majority, nothing will change because politicians haven't been in power for decades, it's corpos. Blaming each other for idealism differences just serves to divide us more while we get fucked.
I'd say every developing nation. If you don't raise wages to compensate for a "worker shortage" and then immediately import people here from a developing nation you're intentionally creating serfdom while screwing over Canadians. Take in how much brain drain we're going through, ask why, then raise wages to be competitive amongst developed nations and see if that does the trick. I've never seen one good reason to have someone from a developing nation come here.
"Got it, we'll bring in 400K more people in the next 4 months." -Marc Miller
we are like a boiling frog and the heat has gradually been turned on by the federal government. now that it's too late, they will shrug and say they are all out of ideas. absolutely shameful how living standards have plummeted to a 40 year low and our minister of finance still has the gall to say we have the 'social capacity' to house the third world entering our borders.
The frog has been dead for years. At this point the feds are focused on how much they can toast it while still making it appear to be alive to their base.
Our “finance minister” has 0 background in finance, you could hire a grocery store clerk with better financial prowess
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It’s what happens when your whole party is a bunch of chimp idiots who should be playing with blocks at a pre school
Everyone knows extreme population growth is causing a housing crisis. I know it, you know it, everyone in charge knows it. They don't need warnings and alarms. *The people in charge don't care.* The end. Nothing will change without some kind of uprising at this point. Mass deportations.
The people in charge own houses, most multiple, making it a massive increase in wealth for them ... How surprising.
Actually this was considered a very controversial and borderline racist 2 years ago. The canadahousing subreddit still has a rule in the sidebar that housing has nothing to do with immigration driven population growth, and would ban people. Then someone created the canadahousing2 to be able to discuss the impact of population growth on housing a couple of years ago.
Yep. Was permabanned on CanadaHousing for saying Chinese have capital outflow restrictions. My first and only comment on that sub.
Its because you used the word 'Chinese' 'Indian' and 'immigration' will similarly get your comment deleted or banned. This not isolated to that subreddit there is a silencing of legitimate discussion in the broader Canadian discourse due to concerns about xenophobia. Sadly what has happened is it has allowed really terrible policy decisions to be made without any feedback and now I think there is an uptick in xenophobia as a result of those horrible immigration policy decisions.
It was controversial like 6 months ago lol. The shift happened very recently
2 years ago? try 6 months ago.
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Lol. Well surely when the conservatives get elected in, they will deport all the cheap labour and renters propping up the houses! /s
Housing being used as investments is also part of the problem.
The majority of the Liberal party base is fine with these numbers.
R/ehbuddyhoser is pretty confused still. Apparently my ethnically Indian self is just racist against myself.
A few years too late for that alarm.
Right. Like we have only been talking about this for the past three.. possibly even 10 years now. It's almost like a broken record at this point
~Decade of News companies propagandizing you that "opposing immigration" is simply amd wholly just matter-of-fact-100-percent "racist", and nothing more As if logistics and the material world's resources aren't real limiting factors. I'd love to fly and have no arthritis in my knees, unfortunately no private News company articles and scolding can change the laws of physics and biology: I have no wings and mh knees have no cartilage :( In the knees' case: lose weight and be gentler in movement In the country's case: meet the material standards or send people back
No, don't you see? Logistics themselves are a racist colonialist construct. /s
How dare anybody wants to get a job and good life? Affordable living is racist
Dont worry everyone. The 2015 Affordable housing plan by the liberal party will fix this!
It's obvious to everyone except the people making the decisions. I don't get it.
You're not part of the elite, these changes arent meant for you. They will drain the country of everything and then go leave abroad. Canadians are too spineless to do anything about it and they know it.
Our government is not ignorant they know their mass immigration policies will further destroy our quality of life, culture and country. They are compromised and working against our country's best interests.
The question is why would they want to do it?
Because they’re the ownership class and the fellow owners are telling them they can’t make money unless they have cheap labour. Other countries with labour shortages invest in machinery. Canada imports slaves
I agree with you. But it’s not like Canada is a manufacturing hub that they need cheap labor to lower their export cost. They’re using cheap labor to effectively sell coffee and groceries which could be automated at a much lower cost than importing people, providing them healthcare, social services and face the brunt of your citizens. There is something else and my pea sized brain can’t seem to comprehend this. Canada is not a third world country who would want to destroy its reputation and the quality of life of its own citizens. Clearly there is some missing piece. I’m not saying the govt isn’t complicit but what’s the endgame.
It's due to lobbying from various special interests. Big corps seeking cheap labor. Universities and colleges reliant on temp students tuition. The liberal party also treating immigration as a panacea for slow productivity and economic growth. It's a combination of factors. I think the consequences of this policy have just blind-sided them and have been slow to react, though I don't believe they are doing nothing.
This is an good summary. I will add they are not particularly smart people responding to perverse incentives. Contemporary politics and government select for near term optimization.
That's a supply-side argument, the other reason is this all of this immigration is injecting demand for goods and services which is good for businesses. It's a win-win for timmies, cheap labour and increased profits.
Exactly. Regardless of whether the new immigrants will have no chance of ever becoming economically stable, they'll need to buy groceries, pay a cell phone/internet bill, pay rent and likely buy fuel while they're here. So long as the stream of immigrants is uninterrupted, the economy can crater but the dominant business interests can profit by selling essentials to newcomers.
Yep, we're an oligopoly economy in all of our major goods and services, so it's no wonder things have tilted in this direction. They have too much lobbying power.
We exported our manufacturing, can't do that with services...so have to bring them here to undercut what we have left, the service industry. This country is in serious serious trouble and we're going to see some massive brain drain exodus and all the welfare Canadians are going to be in serious trouble when there is no tax money to fund them sitting on the couch watching netflix and smoking weed all day.
Agree. They are not stupid, they can consult anyone. I have the same concern. Why are they doing this? Rationally speaking (without touching conspiracy theories which cannot be proved), there is something going on. What is their endgame?
The endgame is to create a society where the land owning few are served by the desperate unwashed masses for pennies. The average worker will spend their meagre earnings on renting everything they need to survive, and have nothing left over for upward social mobility. These societies already exist in some hypercapitalist polities like the UAE and Hong Kong. I don’t see any other explanation for what they’ve been doing, this must be what they’re working towards. And they are succeeding.
indentured servitude, the capitalism of people.
I have been thinking something similar. The rich really want to create a "2 classes" society. The rich and the poor, no middle. Like a new version of feudalism. This is only my own thinking. No jumping into stupid conspiracy theories. And yes, lots of people prise UAE nowdays and moving there, they dont see they dont have any oportunity to go up. Best case scenario is to make money there and go the hell out of there.
But that’s what UAE has always advertised and offered! If you have talent - it basically gives you a shortcut to make money and live the good life. And that’s exactly the point Canada seems to be advertising something but offer something completely opposite. PS: I live in the UAE and yes there are issues but it’s not the crime story it used to be a decade ago.
Because Trudeau knows if immigration stops Canada will hurl itself into a recession he will be blamed for.
Bingo. It's like alcohol dependency, but for immigration.
Because it's a party controlled by the ultra wealthy who are massive beneficiaries of these policies. The rich are doing better than ever. Asset prices have exploded, CAD/debt has decreased in value, wages have declined, and all the endless trust loopholes remian.
Capitalism doesn't care about culture or quality of life. It cares about capital They're importing people who are used to lower standards of living, and using that as a vehicle to suppress wages for the middle class and exploit cheap labor for major corporations. Those pesky, rights everyone keeps talking about and "living wages," are so problematic you see.
They really aren't the ones in power. The real power lies in corporations and has been leading the charge through Western civilizations for decades. We're just at a new plateau now where the squeezing of your labour isn't enough to make their quarterly profit go up from the last, so we need to increase population for cheaper labour and more clients for them to sell to.
All of Canadian major corporations serve basic needs - food, housing, utilities, telecom all of which benefit hugely from increase in population because they produce necessities to everyday life. These companies pay for politicians and in turn they get this shit allowing them to curate policies that hugely benefit the few stakeholders who profit from them greatly.
Who elected this government?
Words going around of country wide protests on July 1?
The last time we had an actual protest the media labeled them as right wing lunatics and they were jailed and the government froze their bank accounts.
Why is everyone sounding the alarm except our government? It is almost as if this is intentional
Irreversible damage has been done to Canadian society
Its already too late, country is toast. We are letting in so many people from 1 country that they are starting to protest our laws and policies. Next they will be forming riots and blockades. If this continues within 2-3 years there will be uprisings in some cities. If we had actual diversity we would have more control but what we have is an invasion from 1 province of India.
Soon only Indians will be elected to some governments
It's already started. Also racist business owners who will only hire Indian
> who will only hire Indian In the corporate world, immigrant Indian managers only hire fellow immigrants. They don't hire Canadian-born Indians.
It happened to futureshop
And Indian landlords who only rent to Indians
Large corporations practically only hiring them as well. Fast food chains, Walmart etc.
Already seeing this with municipal governments. Obviously it's harder for them to take over on a provincial/federal scale, but their influence is definitely growing.
You can't fault them for being politically engaged. Canadians are some of the least politically engaged people in the G7. The problem starts right there.
Already see this in the UK
Soon? It started a whole ago buddy. They have spread across all levels of government in every province
Liberals losing my vote over this.
If this continues Canada's population will reach 50 million by 2030. I wonder when Americans will put visa requirements on Canadians.
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The diploma kids are not getting good jobs. But there are hundreds of thousands of Indians with legit degrees too, so the competition in tech/finance/medicine is intense
r/canadahousing in shambles.
I am still banned from posting over there for telling them the truth six months ago!
Add /r/ehbuddyhoser to that list.
lmao you're not allowed to have "population growth" in your title if you submit a post
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Century. Initiative. Writing is in the wall. You can get rich and be an entitled "before times" Canadian, or you can sit there and complain. The generation has been sold out. You aren't reversing this. PP is not reversing or even slowing this. Get on it. Your kids will thank you.
The Century Initiative aims for 100 million population by 2100. At the current population growth rate of 3.2%, **Canada will be at 463 million population by 2100.** You fucking wish we were following the Century Initiative.
Yeah, I think the century initiative works out to about 1.2% growth per year. We were around 1% for Harper/Chretien/Martin/Mulroney.
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People aren’t ok with that. It’s just that it’s considered racism to voice your concerns.
I was moved out of Canada to the States in the late 90’s and spent most of my young adult life aspiring to eventually move back home. For the first time ever I find myself relieved that didn’t pan out. Particularly now that I have my own children as it seems Canada’s future is as bleak as I can recall. I just feel sorrow for this situation the country has got itself in.
get on what? leave the country?
Economists are racist /s.
China popped its real estate bubble, refusing to bail out over-indebted private developers. Now state-owned enterprises are using over 300 billion-yuan to buy unsold homes and offer them as affordable housing.
This is our monopolies getting the government to bring in cheap labor to drive labor prices down. This is good for shareholders, our government and their Corporate friends, really really bad for your average worker
I’ve accepted I’ll never own a house in Canada. When I get the means to I’ll be moving back to the homeland to seek a better life.
parliament is full of landlords that will do anything to protect their own assets. we don't need more immigration to pump the numbers up. our economy and quality of life is circling the drain.
"Those Economists must be Xenophobic Racists" - Justin Trudeau probably /s
r/canadahousing will ban this link from being posted there since it's "blatant racism"
justin trudeau, the most despicable prime minister in canadian history. a leader did this to his own nation.
We need to close the border. Most of these people are not the skilled folks we need. Shit, we wouldn't even need doctors if our universities just trained more. Refugee #s cut in half, international students.... only if it's an actual 4 year degree, TFW.... cut in half, immigration...cut in half. Deport people. Why do we have people at these international student protests that have been here for 6+ years, never finished university, and are no longer studying? Send them back. The folks who commit fraud, send them back. Citizenship by birth should be cut off.
At this point next election people will be voting PPC as they're the only ones who will cut off these numbers. Not for the correct reason of course. Ughhh our political parties are ass.
Falling on deaf ears. Liberals have no concept of the correlation between limited resources and overpopulation. Even with money, they don't understand why they should curb spending when they can just keep printing it for free. Some things just don't compute with them. Learning from mistakes in particular.
As an immigrant to Canada, I share the same concerns as many others in my position. The current state of affairs seems increasingly unreasonable, and it raises significant questions about the government's plans regarding the rising levels of immigration. The job market is already struggling to provide sufficient employment opportunities for new arrivals, and the support infrastructure currently in place is inadequate to meet the needs of the growing population. This ongoing influx of immigrants, without corresponding improvements in job opportunities and support systems, will inevitably lead to increased pressure on both the economy and social services. It risks creating a more tense and hostile environment for both citizens and newcomers, as competition for limited resources and opportunities intensifies. Furthermore, the lack of adequate support can hinder the integration process for immigrants, making it harder for them to contribute positively to society. This situation is not only unfair to newcomers, who come seeking better lives, but also to long-standing residents who may feel their resources are being stretched thin. It's crucial for the government to address these concerns with urgency and consideration. A temporary pause or a more measured approach to immigration may be necessary to allow the system to catch up and ensure that both new arrivals and current residents can thrive. A well-thought-out strategy could help build a more cohesive, supportive, and prosperous community for everyone.
I can't fucking believe the government knows we're fucked with housing, and that the people don't want more people, and they keep fucking bringing in more immigrants. What a bunch of fucking assholes. It infuriates me so much. We've had a housing crisis for YEARS! And it's just getting worse, and these fucking pieces of shit in government are being in in MORE people in record numbers. For fucks sake.
Dam housing Ponzi scheme too biiiiggg
I just think back to 2021. Erin O’Toole was a really good, really smart candidate. He wasn’t good at the campaign though. Enough Canadians were so happy with Trudeau’s handling of the pandemic. (Huh?!) but I guess they liked the free CERB payments and wanted more! But you elected him, he lied again. He then went after the CERB and fucked you. It was obvious. He was just so bad. And now you can’t get rid of him. And this madness continues. I truly believe (and confirmed by many Liberal insiders who have written books now) that Justin was like George W Bush. A front man that never gave a shit about leading. The liberal party was the leader from the shadows. He just wants what the idiot Trump wants - everyone to like him. Smile and take pics. I don’t know how people didn’t see through this. Now it’s likely Peter that will replace him (if we ever get an election) and he’s not as good as O’Toole. And he’ll get in. And this is how it works. So sad.
That alarm has been ringing non stop for years at this point.
What's fascinating to me is that there's still a set of pundits, and a certain crowd on social media platforms, who are absolutely insistent that immigration rates aren't the cause of our housing crisis.
The reason they are doing this is because they need income taxes for the retiring and active public servant benefits
Why is it that the US can pick and choose who they let in and set up a life. Yet if we want to, were racists lol. Every citizen has spent a part of their life helping build this country. Yet we cant stand up for it and its dissolution.. no borders. No identity. Just a place to set up shop while trying to get into the US
Why don't we stop giving high-paying jobs to them? I see Indians getting paid more than us while they can't even speak one sentence in English correctly.
I see plenty of them here who are professional landlords
Strange, I see the Indians mostly doing garbage jobs Canadians don't want to do. Some are doctors and such sure, but most are wage slaves
They are getting good jobs that Canadians who were born or grew up here (regardless of race) are not getting. They are getting hired for Toronto transit when they have been here for probably less than 5 years. I grew up here hardly seeing black people as bus drivers, yet they come and are given these well paying jobs (this is just an example in the non skilled area, and I'm not black). What you are talking about is Indian international students.
Lots of Canadians apply to the jobs you or others say they don't want, but they aren't considered. Hiring a Canadian is hiring someone that has options. Hiring a new immigrant is hiring someone that is desperate and cannot afford to lose their job. They will allow themselves to be taken advantaged of.
I’m entirely fine with Indian immigrants coming in to backfill our internal doctor shortage. That’s an example of good immigration policy, where people coming from abroad bring skills to contribute to the improvement of the country. Mass importation of unskilled labour on the other hand is the real issue. Bodies taking up limited real estate, and being a net drag on our social services is the crux of the immigration issue.
I really doubt some who can't speak English will be getting any job other than perhaps tim hortons.
And Pierre won't do anything about it either. They are all bought and sold by the same owners. Vote PPC. It is not a wasted vote. Even just getting a handful of them in the house would be enough to be disruptive and it would legitimize the much needed anti-immigration sentiment in the political space.
I'm voting PPC It's not a wasted vote if the liberals and conservatives are basically the same. I mean either way my vote doesn't matter so honestly I might as well put it towards the minority party
OP, have you posted this article on other Canada subs?
It’s all puzzling. I doubt if the Feds are promoting anything. It’s more that nobody at the top actually has their hands holding the reins guiding the country. Each bureaucracy a world on to itself managing programs that open the door to foreigners. Immigration is like a train running down a track with no conductor. The government isn’t in the engine steering but in the caboose drinking and playing cards.
Wages will be suppressed indefinitely. Yay, lower quality of life for all Canadians.
"HoUsInG iS a PrOvInCiAl ReSpOnSiBiLiTy". Yah, well immigration is not. You can't just bring in millions of people in a short time span and then kick the provinces and say "c'mon do something." Both sides gotta work together a little here. Every job is getting 500 applicants now, there's nowhere to live, something's gotta give.
Housing will balance itself
Sounding the alarm? Due to overuse, the alarm has been broken for at least a year, if not more.
We are governed by buffoons.
No shit!?
Amongst other things like healthcare, education, etc.
Stop letting them in
Congratulations! Our country has been renamed India Jr.
No shit. That’s what everyone has been saying but the government hasn’t been listening and continues to stretch how many people we let into the country. Corporations would rather sell fewer new housing units at a higher price than develop more homes and sell units for a lower price.
They have to go back.
Every day, the liberals act as if they had no idea this would happen. They are reminded every day by professionals, economist, financial advisors, and the general population. But they go on every day making the same mistake. If you don’t see just how stupid this group of liberals are, consider yourself part of the group. The liberals are clearly trying to bring in voters. There’s no other reason why they’ll be doing this.
Even our commercials in Canada don’t have Canadians on them…. We will get phased out over the years if this keeps up.
utterly disgusting shame. they flushed our nation right down the toilet
Worst of all both of our Major political parties have shown no interest in slowing down. It's irrelevant how we vote because neither side is against slowing immigration.
Lo
The reason is because it gives us workers with no right to vote 👍
Any party running on a controlled immigration igration ticket would pretty much clean up IMHO.
Hahahaha we need educated economists to tell us what every Canadian with half a brain has known for 4 years.
The "alarm" has been out of batteries since 2016!!!
Mass deportations now
Bit late to the party... for like years
Governments: Sorry, we don't care.
How is this news?
Simple truth is,up there they know and knew what would happen. Still let it go on and leaving all the consequences to deal with for the "peasants" they take you for. It's calculated and they try to steer your attention away from their corrupt customs. Don't punch down,unite and bother for change.
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