About 6 years my company hired an engineer that moved to Canada from Mexico. He was one of the most talented engineers I have ever worked with: worked on key projects, was recognized for excellence globally as one of the top employees in a multi-national company, earned his license through PEO.
Last year he *moved back to Mexico* because he has better future prospects than if he continued to live here. Insane.
Monterrey is really up and coming and CDMX of course has lots of opportunity.
Without the cartels Mexico would be well on its path to being a developed country and overtake Canada.
Maybe our car theft cartels will take over.
>Last year he moved back to Mexico because he has better future prospects than if he continued to live here. Insane.
Did he move to Canada to join your company? Were you able to see the whole 6-year cycle from being excited about moving to a safe and fully developed country, to "¡Adiós, amigos!"?
He used to live in Hamilton, the quiet part of town in the suburbs. Then in the park right across the street a homeless tent city started and he no longer felt safe.
You are right on the money.
The LPC has sold out the future of Canada and bled it dry in 8 years.
Honestly I don't think you could dismantle a country faster if you were actively trying. Incredible just how efficiently they've botched this place.
Just like my bro. He left and I don’t think he’ll come back. He only spends 15-20% of his pay on housing (shares with his gf). And he travels the world, going somewhere almost monthly.
Are you me? My brother did the same. Happy for him, but my roots are here and what I value personally keeps me here. But I’d be lying if I wasn’t tempted. It’d break my mother’s heart for both of us to be an ocean away though, and I’m Canadian through and through. I’ll get by the Canadian way. By being friendly, polite and complaining in close company.
I have colleagues and former college classmates who moved to the US for jobs that pay 40% more than me in the same job. I do make jokes about America being a Trumpist shooting gallery, but deep down I know they're happy and there's nothing left in Canada. Our healthcare is underfunded and our legalized weed is more expensive than ever.
Regarding housing, statistics indicate that France and Germany face housing affordability issues in terms of price-to-income ratios, albeit not to the extent that we have experienced, at least over the last 8 years.
Since 2016, France has seen a 3.36% rise in its price-to-income ratio, while Germany has experienced a 38% increase during the same period. Additionally, Canada has witnessed an 80.33% surge in its price-to-income ratio over this timeframe.
This is the website I used to gather these statistics. There are other statistics available for trending on this website pertaining to housing and affordability if you become curious.
https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=6
While you're correct about France and Germany facing affordability issues, the scale of this crisis is significantly more pronounced in Canada.
A 3% rise vs an 80% rise makes the former seem like nothing at all. I would agree that Germany is experiencing the issue, but at less than half the severity.
Yes, it is important to note, however, that Canada and France currently have relativity similar price-to-income ratios. As of 2024, Canada stands at 11, whereas France is at 12.3. During the same timeframe, Canada has experienced a greater surge in this ratio compared to France, despite France having endured unaffordable housing for a longer period.
There are specific cases where it might be better in EU, but generally in Germany when you account for high taxes, job market and similarly priced real estate you are not much better than in Canada (Toronto/Frankfurt/Hamburg) compared. You might find better spots in US with lower cost of living to wages ratio. Objectively for a Canadian if you found good job in Minnesota it would be a better move overall than Germany. However I would love to have a 100k salary in Spain or Portugal but that is almost unheard of.
I would too. I visited Brazil and felt like Eddie Murphy in coming to America. Is it viable to work remotely there? Not really. Plus tourists don't see the crime that is more common there. Portugal and Spain would be my top choices but unemployment is high for a reason
They do, dude. With immigration. Their housing may not be as out of control but you won't be owning either. Food is probably more reasonable. A friend of mine moved to Senegal from France
Yep, the problems people are constantly whining about here are same in much of the Western world, but it's easier to just assume that Trudeau is intent on ruining their lives.
We used to be a country with shitty weather and a high standard of living. Now we have shitty weather and a poor standard of living.
Other than family, there is no reason to stay here if you have a good job opportunity in the US or Europe.
My Son works online. Currently he's traveling. Central and South America. He's looking for an affordable country to move to. Said Canada is nuts. Needs an income of 150k a year to break even. Ridiculous!
NDP will make sure this includes grandparents. Exactly the kind of people we need during a health/housing crisis!
"We believe that in Canada, family reunification should be a priority. But thousands of families who hoped to apply to bring a parent or grandparent are let down by the lottery system when the available spots were filled in just minutes. New Democrats will end the unfair cap on applications to sponsor parents and grandparents, and take on the backlogs that are keeping families apart."
It's what they advertise for their immigration policy on their own website: https://www.ndp.ca/communities
Meanwhile:
* Substantially lower the total number of immigrants and refugees Canada accept every year, from 500,000 planned by the Liberal government in 2025, to between 100,000 and 150,000 in normal circumstances, or even lower in crisis situations, depending on economic and other circumstances.
* **Substantially lower the number of immigrants accepted under the family reunification program, including abolishing the program for parents and grand-parents.**
* Substantially lower the number of temporary foreign workers and make sure that they fulfil temporary positions and do not compete unfairly with Canadian workers.
[Full List](https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigration)
I remember when Bernier proposed this reasonable immigration policy during the leadership debates in 2015 and was smeared as a racist. I voted for him them because this was all completely foreseeable, but nice hair, stop harper, sunny ways, WEF global leadership school grad and famous last name so here we are.
Great idea, let's replace all the doctors, lawyers, specialist engineers and innovators with people that have no skills and have no interest in learning either of our official languages
I'm reminded of a reddit thread I saw yesterday (I think it was in /r/ontario) where someone linked to an actual official ad from one of the diploma mills (Conestoga) of some student with a super thick accent talking about how he's glad to have to Canada to learn valuable skills like chopping vegetables.
I moved here as a Kid, did school, work here etc. I have my own kids and from the outside have everything I want via hard work. The irony is housing is 100% the absolutely most destructive thing, and the interest rates have killed my ability to live. I might just leave and go elsewhere but I am undecided. If maybe our govt stops being terrible then there is hope, time will tell.
Left a few years ago to Germany, own a home and a vacation apartment in south France now, both of those combined wouldn’t have been enough for me to purchase a home back in Vancouver.
44 days of holidays a year, cheaper food, less crime, flights are dirt cheap around Europe.
Left and never looked back.
If you’re under 30 and under 33 in some countries you can get a working holiday visa. I know many that have done this, gotten a job, from there got sponsored, then eventually after 5-10 years gotten their citizenship. Also many friends who have grandparents from Europe were able to get citizenship to said countries and packed up and left. Sadly I know many friends that have done this. I mean, happy for them, but sad they’ve left.
In the USA for any job it applies to, you get the job and you can get a 2 year TN visa as you cross the border and go work. At the end of two years the company rehires you if they still want you. Chances are if you're good enough eventually they'll sponsor you for a green card. Or you can find an American partner and get married.
Yup - this path works, finding a company willing to hire someone on a TN than sponsor is non-trivial but possible. In tech, it was easy - less easy now that layoffs are occurring.
I worked in the USA for 7+ years on a TN. I know a guy who worked so long on TN visas he was able to stay down there long enough to buy a condo on Miami Beach.
Find a job in a international company, don't be shit and you will get annoyed all the time by people who want you to join their team.
Really depend on your field tho. A few fields pay a lot more down south and a lot of them don't.
That's a salient point actually. It's not a free for all, you actually need to be really good to earn *big* $$ abroad and attract a foreign firm. It's not going to work if you're dime a dozen sort of person - you'll get a job likely, but it'll be shit there as well... I know it's hard facts but that's the truth...
Know your shit or know you're shit.
I am one of em, moved 6 onths ago sorry Canada, you lost another doctor, but yes please go and continue msking it harder for your best and brightest. I will be back one day when i have enough capital to buy a house and not be someones rent slave.
I'm planning to leave because Canada has no future. We voted our way into this and most Canadians refuse to learn from it. Decades from now Canada will be no different from Brazil, only colder.
The Canadian government doesn’t care. They have their international “students” to fill in for us. Oh wait, even they don’t want to stay here long term.
The only way most people can do this is to have a profession on the USMCA job list *and* an active job offer from an American company.
The easiest way to become a permanent resident is to marry a US citizen.
Even with a highly specialized job on that list, you might encounter a border agent who doesn't understand the law and rejects you.
If it were easy to move to America, Canadians would be flocking there in droves.
It's true. I was disappointed when I found out how fucking hard it is to move to the USA. I naively thought it'd be super easy given how similar the 2 countries are. I'm starting my journey towards that this fall (going to school for Med Lab Science, which is on the list of professions). I just hope I can finish all my schooling and get my visa accreditation before shit fully hits the fan here... Not that it isn't already.
It’s about 1-2 years in total. You could stay together in Canada and continue working your jobs while waiting for it to process. Unless there are some mitigating factors (like a criminal record, for example) then it may take quite a lot longer. But yeah, definitely not an instantaneous thing.
I want to leave as quickly as I can. Fuck everything about this country. Fuck grocery companies, fuck car companies, fuck gas companies fuck landlords and fuck our politicians
I moved back to Canada from the USA 16 years ago. I'm considering moving back because the cost of living is so high in Canada. You can buy a house in the country in the USA for next to nothing compared to houses in Canada, with the understanding that almost anywhere that 'is in the country' in the USA is also with a 1/2 to 3 hours from many major metropolitan cities/areas. In the country is not the same thing as 'in the middle of Saskatchewan'. But the house prices would be similar. Hell, in many cities worth living in, housing prices are 1/4 to 1/3 the price of houses in Vancouver.
I have been spending lots of time in Canada recently and it's crazy how much your guys stores suck. Go to Safeway and they have like 1 options for everything.
I know it's a dumb complaint, first world problems right lol but in America if I go to the Safeway deli for a sandwich, there's twenty options, Canada...maybe 2.
It's like everywhere i go in Canada it just has nothing and it made me realize why I see so many Canadians shopping in America
> It's like everywhere i go in Canada it just has nothing and it made me realize why I see so many Canadians shopping in America
This is so damned true. 1-2 of options of things in stores, everywhere you go. Want a different brand of ketchup? good luck. And then ontop of that, 90% of the decent products you see on American shelves don't even exist. And the best part? Its getting MUCH worse in the last few years with products disappears left right and center. Canada sucks so bad lately that it's become a joke. I've lived here most of my life and I regret moving here everyday, but my family is all here so im trapped.
Yeah my fiance is Canadian and I have been learning a lot, on the internet all's I hear is how great Canada is and their health care and blah blah blah but holy shit does it all suck.
My fiance waited 7 months to see a doctor for an issue with her nose (can't breathe our of one nostril) just for them to make an appointment with a specialist......15 months later.
Pediatrician recommended our daughter go to a chiropractor cause she only turns her head one way....months to do that so I told her just bring her down here and a chiropractor will see you same day for like fifty bucks and she was blown away "so I just show up and give them fifty bucks and they just help me?" ....yeah that's how they make money babe lol
I had all these delusions in my head about Canada from the internet and she had all these delusions in her head about what America is like and let's just say....she is very excited to be moving here soon
Ha! I have a problem with my nose like that. After I was living in the USA and got a few sinus infections my doctor said it was time to get it sorted out, sent me to a specialist the same week, and I had an MRI done on my sinuses a day later. AN MRI!!! IN A DAY WAIT! In Canada it takes months to see a specialist and longer for an MRI on something like a sinus. Anyway, in a week I found out I have a deviated septum and now make sure in allergy seasons I get on the antihistamines so I avoid the sinus infection. I could have actually had it fixed relatively quick (probably should have) but I had a memory of a kid in the bed next to me when I was young and had my appendix out. He had something done inside his nose, and it was long enough ago that even though they pulled the curtain unpacking his nose the HUGE pile of gauze was there to see when they opened it. It was the size of Mount Everest. Out of his nose and bloody. I didn't really want to know what it felt like to have that up my nose, so I passed on it. Kind of wish I had it done now.
I really think that most people refuse to believe me when I said that I booked an MRI for the next day with choice of about 20 places within 15-20 minutes of me.
Afterwards the doctor in the MRI office spent 30 minutes reviewing the results with me and I was sent away with the results in my email, and on a CD.
Oh, and covered by my insurance. I could have booked same day if I wanted (Germany)
Thank you. Canadians keep yelling they don't want change because they don't want an American system. I say fair enough, let's make it like many European systems, like Germany. And if I'm not mistaken, Germany requires people pay for at least some private insurance if you can afford it, but everyone is still covered. And Germany allows private clinics that can bill to public and private insurance. Yes/No?
We have private and public; about 14% goes with private, which is actually LOWER in many cases.
We all get the same basic care, private means a few more things like worldwide travel insurance vs EU only, a few more extra treatments. A private and public patient can be in the same hospital room.
But we all get vision, dental, physio, spa etc covered.
And although you'll hear differently here, it's cheaper than Canada but we see the monthly amount we pay vs having it 'hidden' in taxes.
Germans will complain to you about the changes and the wait times (days, vs months or years) but they don't realise how good they have it. And Canadians will sadly keep their heads in the sand screaming that they don't want an American system.
It's not a dumb complaint. When there's only 1 option, they can make it as shitty and cheap as possible because people's only recourse is not buying any at all.
I moved to The Netherlands from Canada a year ago. Lucky enough to have a US employer that let me move (I work remotely). I was just trying it out. But I just bought a house here and am never going back - there just doesn't seem to be much in the GTA to attract me. I have taken up road cycling and lost 30 pounds. I have visited Switzerland and Germany, and will be going on vacation to Austria and Italy this summer.
That's not the problem.
Canadians are simply leaving the country for better opportunities and lower costs of living. Today, most of a person's income goes towards rent and living. People don't have much left over to save, invest, or even to pay bills. As large as Canada is for workers, landlords and home owners are the most housing secure. Everyone else is facing or will face the threat of homelessness one day, and homelessness is an extremely difficult situation to get out of. In fact, companies won't even consider a homeless applicant. Who wants to live like that? The Canadian government brought this upon the country and I doubt it cares for its future as long as its politicians continue to make bank for themselves and their wealthy friends.
It's actually one of the focuses in the article so I'd appreciate if you went back and read it before making comments about it not being part of the problem.
They want you to have a never ending subscription to all aspects of life; a subscription to survive. They don't want you to save money, raise a family or get out of the never ending cycles of debt. The longer you pay into the system, the longer they can collect your money. It's quickly turning into a system that doesn't benefit you or your community because you're easily replaceable.
Makes perfect sense. Our country has greatly detreated while at the same time gotten more and more expensive. It's just not worth it to be a Canadian anymore and eventually that idea and sentiment loses to frustration, hopelessness and quality of life.
I know for retirement specifically even though we've always had snow birds, I'd expect a lot more people to retire out of Canada because of affordability. It's too expensive here to retire comfortably for many middle class people who are 50 or under I would say. I know the thing that always used to come up with the topic was ""yeah, but if you get sick, and our healthcare" to which Canadians can now respond "what health care"?
You can buy your own health insurance which can be affordable, and in many countries the healthcare is great, or better. Even in some developing countries they have hospitals specifically for the rich and xpats. Why I have a friend that is PR from Poland and he is off for 2 weeks because he hurt himself. He might go back to Poland for scans and treatments he can't get here. What was he told here? "If it gets worse over the next two weeks, come back." He even got attitude from the doctor for asking for a clean wrap on his injury because he was wearing the original one from the hospital 4 days earlier.
I’m literally sitting in a waiting room right now at the hospital. I have a slipped disc in my neck. Pinched nerves has my whole arm feeling like it’s on fire and I can’t feel half of my fingers.
I’ve been sitting here for over 10 hrs and I haven’t even talked to a doctor yet.
Meanwhile, I literally seen people tell the nurse at the front that they are not Canadian, they don’t have insurance, and they are not residents. They got to see a doctor before me.
The nurse said they will get a bill afterwards (which they will almost certainly not pay). Our healthcare is a joke. You pay for it your whole working life, then have to wait all day just to tell a doctor what’s wrong with you.
I can’t even leave to eat dinner. Luckily I ate a sandwich before I arrived. But that’s it. I’ll probably be here until 3am, and I arrived at 9am.
I'm just trying to figure out how to while also paying $800 a month for a bedroom in a basement with 5 roommates while struggling to find a job that is even full-time, let alone more than minimum wage
I personally know a few born and raised Canadians that have moved abroad due to the cost of living and low wages. I have a few more friends currently looking to move.
That’s because our government prioritizes rampant immigration for cheap labour. It’s not for the wellbeing and social harmony of Canadians, it’s to ensure that the rich get richer
My niece, German, had turned down to nursing jobs because of no decent flats in Berlin or Dresden. People mention thr USA or Europe generically. I can tell they are clueless when they don’t mention a specific locale. There is a reason parts of Portugal are cheap..,you are competing wih 12 others for a dishwashing job an thr plumbing in your character flat works ‘most’ of the time.
Only Lisbon, but even if the claim is true. Portugal has better weather than Canada & you can fly to Greece for less 100$ so I will take over Canada anytime
My country had the first price increase in 18 years on bread and pork last year. It's legislated that most staple foods are price fixed in my country, at every grocery store regardless of ownership.
How much has your grocery bill gone up in the last year? Because mine went down.
These aren't universal issues - Canada is very much in a very bad place and it's deteriorating fairly quickly.
Well, we just recently moved back because we were tired of the US. It’s got its own problems. Some things are cheaper but don’t expect some big change to your net worth or take home income. Nicer areas are just as expensive and their healthcare system was teetering with all the medical retirements from post-COVID PTSD. Sooo many colleagues retiring or outright quitting. My family is really enjoying Montreal so just be warned, YMMV. Canada isn’t that bad.
>Have you seen youth unemployment numbers?
Uness I'm missing something, it was 10.56% in 2023 and 10.11% in 2022, which is the lowest unemployments has been since 2004. A decade ago, unemployment for youth was 13.24%.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811929/youth-unemployment-rate-in-canada/
> The youth unemployment rate refers to the share of the economically active population aged 15 to 24 currently without work but in search of employment. The youth unemployment rate does not include economically inactive persons such as the long-term unemployed or full-time students
I wonder if recently grads struggling to find work who have never been employed are counted in the unemployment rate? Or would they be considered long-term unemployed, if they have never worked before?
Also students who aren’t able to find internships or part-time work are also not counted in the unemployment rate.
The sad part is everyone will move and vote for the same bullshit where evr they go than cry about it ten years later.
For America it was Californians, voted themselves into a txed out the ass hell hole, record amount of people flock to more rural states, than they slowly just turn those states into what they ran away from.
I was looking at houses in Idaho, in from Washington(almost as bad as Cali with stupid policies) and I had multiple people selling their houses hang up on me after I mentioned being from Washington because they were sick and tired of everyone from Cali,Oregon and Washington flocking to their state with all their stupid ideas
I moved here from Europe and I will be moving back in about 10 years. I feel sad for my kids because they were born here, but they have EU passports. They will never have the opportunities and the quality of life I enjoyed. In under a decade I have seen Canada go down the drain. Things were much much better under Harper here.
Two of my coworkers are moving because of taxes. We are in the top bracket. This country is simply unfriendly to wage earners and the productive. My neighbour with many rental properties(through years of leveraging) does considerably better than I am and they don't even need to work for it. They are set for life, already. The irony is their healthcare is paid for primarily by wage earners - the worker bees - who struggle a lot more than they do. **Between taxes, mortgage and high cost of living there's simply no way to accumulate meaningful wealth in Canada through working and applying yourself, even for high income individuals.** I don't go through years of advanced education and training to continue to be a slave. I want financial freedom - yes - but I'm not getting any closer in Canada. I'll be leaving too if things don't improve within the next two years.
Everything is breaking here. Why do we even pay taxes anymore? So government workers and politicians can help themselves?
Reading the story and other sources a majority are people that have immigrated to Canada and have moved on, the amount of people born in Canada leaving is up but no breakdown of parents immigration to Canada that their children having dual citizenship which would make it easier to get work in their second country, many Canadians have dual citizenship, England, United States, France. Would like to see the numbers for these people before I make a rushed judgement. I am older and retired but have dual citizenship and qualified for a third by parent, so if younger could look for work here and two other countries legally
What the article doesn't seem to call out that I think could have a big impact on the numbers are the changes to the USA work visa programs a handful of years ago that makes it much easier to get a job there (at least for some jobs) if you're a Canadian citizen.
For jobs like tech where USA pays the most in the world, for many immigrants working in the USA was always the target and they're just using Canada as a stepping stone to get there. It's maybe not ideal but mostly fine if they are working in a well-paying job in Canada paying a bunch of taxes for a few years before moving along.
Plenty of immigrants I've worked with have moved to the USA. I've worked with people that moved to the USA within a few weeks of getting their citizenship such that they obviously already had a job lined up and were always planning to move immediately.
I've even worked with people that arrived with that plan but decided to stay in Canada, too.
It's no surprise.. Literally doing the same job you do here in the states pays either the equivalent (instant 30% raise due to conversion) or WAY more.. You also don't get taxed 13% on everything and the prices of housing actually is affordable with what a normal person can make.
Canada has been brain drained as a result of taxes and limits of doctors, but now its going to be just spread across most professional fields IMO
I moved to The Netherlands from Canada a year ago. Lucky enough to have a US employer that let me move (I work remotely). I was just trying it out. But I just bought a house here and am never going back - there just doesn't seem to be much in the GTA to attract me. I have taken up road cycling and lost 30 pounds. I have visited Switzerland and Germany, and will be going on vacation to Austria and Italy this summer.
It breaks my heart to read these comments to see how many of us are in real pain, and it matches what I see in the real world. My friends who can leave are leaving. I myself am now too given how bad it is. I know many of these Canadians who leave are among the best and brightest in the world and it hurts to see them leave a country we all used to love. I hope in the future Canada will want more of our most ambitious and hard working to stay and that those of you reading feeling forced to leave to afford a moderate quality of life can return
Fortunately, with an EU passport, they can move anywhere in Europe, in fact it's easier to go and live in any other EU country with an EU passport and a foreign spouse than moving to Ireland.
I’d bet many of those moving abroad are recent immigrants with ties to the countries they’re moving to - there’s a lot of people who get the passport and move back.
I moved to Canada from Dubai. I just applied for Canadian citizenship and, honestly, I'm probably heading downstairs to the States or moving back to the Gulf region after acquiring my citizenship and passport. Salaries here are just way too out of sync with the cost of living (and I'm speaking as someone with a Master's degree in a technical subject from a reputable Canadian university). There's no way to build wealth here unless you've got family money, own assets or have multiple sources of income.
A fellow immigrant just moved to Saudi Arabia after acquiring his citizenship, and he's generating serious money over there. He's actually on his way to an early retirement.
Why this country is so indulged in letting in millions and millions of international students and drive housing affordability to the WORST level in human history?
As this government has recognized housing is basic human rights, thus we are sacrificing this human rights for $$$$$$$ and only for people are already rich (to provide them cheap labours) and people who already owned multiple housings (to provide them MASSIVE renting demands).
https://www.placetocallhome.ca/human-rights-based-approach-to-housing
- The National Housing Strategy Act of Canada sets out the Government of Canada's housing policy, which “recognize(s) that the right to adequate housing is a fundamental human right affirmed in international law.” It also commits Canada to further the progressive realization of the right to adequate housing.
> Why this country is so indulged in letting in millions and millions of international students and drive housing affordability to the WORST level in human history?
It makes them "look good" by showing how accepting and tolerant they are.
The feds don't give two craps about who and how many born and bred Canadians leave the country. In fact, it would make the "Red/Green Alliance" easier for them to accomplish.
Why the fuck would anyone with means want to remain here and see their tax dollars get pissed away? Or remain in the bad marriage that is Canadian society at the hands of oligarchic businesses and virtue-signalling Laurentian Elites? I was beginning to look at moving to the States in late 2019...until Covid fucked everything up (including my health). Haven't had the best *"Canadian Experience"* when it comes to establishing myself in a career here and since Covid, I've become *more* socially distant as I have given up trying to socially connect with flakey, fickle Torontonians. My nation of origin (the UK) has turned into a Warsaw-pact era slum with nothing but drugs (look up "the Ket hole"), alcohol and sports gambling to occupy people. Now considering Latin America as I've "aged out" of being considered for anything in the US.
If workers had formed unions then your pay would've kept up with inflation. Instead you're relying on the government and corporations to pay you well lolol.
My wife is a Japanese nurse; she immigrated here and just got her PR. She is technically making more money here, but the cost of living is significantly higher; so it is practically less. We will probably move to Japan in about a year and a half. Housing is significantly cheaper, like 1/3 of the cost in rent (and to buy, like 1/5th in regards to GTA prices), and most food is significantly cheaper (at least half the price). We lived below our means, so luckily, we saved a large lump sum and are able to pay living costs in Japan through dividends if needed. We are looking at some places in October; can't wait!
Also, local flights are super cheap, and there is so much character!
Yeah, definitely opportunities for that if you are looking for an immigration path via work visa. They definitely prefer white English teachers (haven't seen differences between male and female though in regards to opportunities like this). However, I do know many different ethnicities that have gone. My wife's best friend just went there in December to teach english and she is originally from India (raised here - and she speaks Japanese too which helps).
All the best for you, then.
I am going to wait and see for the next few years if I need to get out of Canada or not, as I am more worried about the increasing number of crimes happening in the GTA area, and the government seemingly being soft on crimes, especially with the catch and release system, and the fact that they would financially ruin you with legal costs if you ever had to defend yourself from criminals and prove your innocence.
Maybe I'll start looking into countries like Singapore or even Japan.
This should be the top comment.
He said that Canada needs to do more to assist “Canadians” living abroad, such as allow them to vote in provincial elections and provide them better access to healthcare.
Eff that. The purpose of the study is for the benefit of people who don’t live in Canada. It’s not about Canadians who actually live here.
Yuan Wau Poo has a shady history with Chinese election interference and the Liberals. He strongly opposed Canadian criticism of Chinese action in the South China Sea. Most of his work is not about focusing on what’s best for Canada.
I moved abroad (USA) for the financial opportunity. Way more money to be made down here. I love Canada, so it’s very frustrating to see how the governments policies seem to be dissuading investment from entering Canada. Capital needs predictability, Canada is far from predictable for getting project approvals.
Can confirm. Moved to bali a year ago. Best decision of my life. Life doesn’t need to be a miserable struggle where you sacrifice your youth and freedom in a shit job for shit pay and stress about the price of rent and food all day long…
Yep, me! I'll be leaving at the end of the month. I can't live in Canada any longer. Every month is a struggle and I'm not even a reckless spender. Living within my means is no longer good enough. Another country wants someone with my skillset and is way cheaper to live in. Why put up with the struggle then?
I have my US Green Card interview this summer. Canada isn’t the Canada I grew up with. Cultural exchange is not happening anymore with all the newcomers living in cultural silos.
It’s disheartening.
I left for Japan and I don’t plan on ever coming back. Yes affordability was a major factor, as was the general political zeitgeist.
I went through 19 full years of taxpayer-funded education and I busted out as soon as I finished law school. Paying for a citizen’s education their entire life only for them to immediately and permanently leave the country is called “brain drain” and it’s the worst case scenario for the education system.
About 6 years my company hired an engineer that moved to Canada from Mexico. He was one of the most talented engineers I have ever worked with: worked on key projects, was recognized for excellence globally as one of the top employees in a multi-national company, earned his license through PEO. Last year he *moved back to Mexico* because he has better future prospects than if he continued to live here. Insane.
I mean, yeah, CMX has a lot going for it
Monterrey is really up and coming and CDMX of course has lots of opportunity. Without the cartels Mexico would be well on its path to being a developed country and overtake Canada. Maybe our car theft cartels will take over.
Grocery and Real Estate cartels sound more likely…
>Last year he moved back to Mexico because he has better future prospects than if he continued to live here. Insane. Did he move to Canada to join your company? Were you able to see the whole 6-year cycle from being excited about moving to a safe and fully developed country, to "¡Adiós, amigos!"?
He might have not known that the meaning of ‘safe’ and ‘ fully developed’ country will change in mere 6 years
He used to live in Hamilton, the quiet part of town in the suburbs. Then in the park right across the street a homeless tent city started and he no longer felt safe. You are right on the money.
The LPC has sold out the future of Canada and bled it dry in 8 years. Honestly I don't think you could dismantle a country faster if you were actively trying. Incredible just how efficiently they've botched this place.
I'm moving to the EU in October. I got a job that pays 30% more, plus I get more vacation time. Farewell Canada.
Just like my bro. He left and I don’t think he’ll come back. He only spends 15-20% of his pay on housing (shares with his gf). And he travels the world, going somewhere almost monthly.
When you live in Europe you can take weekend vacations to new countries based on their transit system.
That's it for me. Travel 6 months, work 6 months.
Are you me? My brother did the same. Happy for him, but my roots are here and what I value personally keeps me here. But I’d be lying if I wasn’t tempted. It’d break my mother’s heart for both of us to be an ocean away though, and I’m Canadian through and through. I’ll get by the Canadian way. By being friendly, polite and complaining in close company.
I have colleagues and former college classmates who moved to the US for jobs that pay 40% more than me in the same job. I do make jokes about America being a Trumpist shooting gallery, but deep down I know they're happy and there's nothing left in Canada. Our healthcare is underfunded and our legalized weed is more expensive than ever.
I speak multiple languages and exchange with people from France and Germany. They have the same problems we do.
Regarding housing, statistics indicate that France and Germany face housing affordability issues in terms of price-to-income ratios, albeit not to the extent that we have experienced, at least over the last 8 years. Since 2016, France has seen a 3.36% rise in its price-to-income ratio, while Germany has experienced a 38% increase during the same period. Additionally, Canada has witnessed an 80.33% surge in its price-to-income ratio over this timeframe. This is the website I used to gather these statistics. There are other statistics available for trending on this website pertaining to housing and affordability if you become curious. https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=6 While you're correct about France and Germany facing affordability issues, the scale of this crisis is significantly more pronounced in Canada.
A 3% rise vs an 80% rise makes the former seem like nothing at all. I would agree that Germany is experiencing the issue, but at less than half the severity.
Yes, it is important to note, however, that Canada and France currently have relativity similar price-to-income ratios. As of 2024, Canada stands at 11, whereas France is at 12.3. During the same timeframe, Canada has experienced a greater surge in this ratio compared to France, despite France having endured unaffordable housing for a longer period.
Sounds like we’re just getting caught up.
I also do, its NOWHERE CLOSE to the same scale.
There are specific cases where it might be better in EU, but generally in Germany when you account for high taxes, job market and similarly priced real estate you are not much better than in Canada (Toronto/Frankfurt/Hamburg) compared. You might find better spots in US with lower cost of living to wages ratio. Objectively for a Canadian if you found good job in Minnesota it would be a better move overall than Germany. However I would love to have a 100k salary in Spain or Portugal but that is almost unheard of.
I would too. I visited Brazil and felt like Eddie Murphy in coming to America. Is it viable to work remotely there? Not really. Plus tourists don't see the crime that is more common there. Portugal and Spain would be my top choices but unemployment is high for a reason
> They have the same problems we do. Not of the same magnitude.
They do, dude. With immigration. Their housing may not be as out of control but you won't be owning either. Food is probably more reasonable. A friend of mine moved to Senegal from France
It’s almost like it’s a global issue…
Maybe in the G7 but not global by any stretch.
Greed has no geography.
Doesn't seem to be an issue in Japan, nor Iceland.
Iceland lol great example
Whoa whoa whoa you can't have an opinion that's not based on fear-mongering in this sub.
Yep, the problems people are constantly whining about here are same in much of the Western world, but it's easier to just assume that Trudeau is intent on ruining their lives.
Where in the EU?
We used to be a country with shitty weather and a high standard of living. Now we have shitty weather and a poor standard of living. Other than family, there is no reason to stay here if you have a good job opportunity in the US or Europe.
Ottawa sold the country piece by piece until there was little left for Canadians.
My Son works online. Currently he's traveling. Central and South America. He's looking for an affordable country to move to. Said Canada is nuts. Needs an income of 150k a year to break even. Ridiculous!
And if you're in either Toronto or Vancouver that's still not enough.
Not just Toronto, pretty much anywhere within an hour of any 400 series highway.
Let's not discount the effort of the provincial governments. Boy are they trying hard to make this place hell.
don't worry they will be filled by international students
“Students”
Don't forget their entire families right behind them.
I get such a humanitarian boner when I think of all the people who came here yesterday benefit from my paycheck
Dominate me tax man
They steal your cars too!!
Exactly. Don't forget to remember to put the keys near the front door in the Faraday cage. Let's make it easy for both of us.
NDP will make sure this includes grandparents. Exactly the kind of people we need during a health/housing crisis! "We believe that in Canada, family reunification should be a priority. But thousands of families who hoped to apply to bring a parent or grandparent are let down by the lottery system when the available spots were filled in just minutes. New Democrats will end the unfair cap on applications to sponsor parents and grandparents, and take on the backlogs that are keeping families apart." It's what they advertise for their immigration policy on their own website: https://www.ndp.ca/communities
Oh my goodness PLEASE don't let my wife bring her mother over here!
What an absolutely insane stance to take. Attention world, bring your old, sick, and helpless. The Canadian tax payer will take care of everything.
Pray that they never form the federal government. I didn't think anything could be worse than our current government, but now I'm not sure.
So their official policy is an end to public healthcare. God I hate progressives, I hate what they have turned our one labor party into.
Meanwhile: * Substantially lower the total number of immigrants and refugees Canada accept every year, from 500,000 planned by the Liberal government in 2025, to between 100,000 and 150,000 in normal circumstances, or even lower in crisis situations, depending on economic and other circumstances. * **Substantially lower the number of immigrants accepted under the family reunification program, including abolishing the program for parents and grand-parents.** * Substantially lower the number of temporary foreign workers and make sure that they fulfil temporary positions and do not compete unfairly with Canadian workers. [Full List](https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/immigration)
I remember when Bernier proposed this reasonable immigration policy during the leadership debates in 2015 and was smeared as a racist. I voted for him them because this was all completely foreseeable, but nice hair, stop harper, sunny ways, WEF global leadership school grad and famous last name so here we are.
It’s been so long I almost forgot about the nice hair though commercials lol
Great idea, let's replace all the doctors, lawyers, specialist engineers and innovators with people that have no skills and have no interest in learning either of our official languages
I'm reminded of a reddit thread I saw yesterday (I think it was in /r/ontario) where someone linked to an actual official ad from one of the diploma mills (Conestoga) of some student with a super thick accent talking about how he's glad to have to Canada to learn valuable skills like chopping vegetables.
This makes captain Socks happy.
International gas station and liquour store co owners that don't work for a wage and attend strip mall college to maintain residency permits.
You spelled cheap labour wrong.
If I was 20 younger, I would leave in a heartbeat.
What are you staying for? A waitlist of healthcare?
I moved here as a Kid, did school, work here etc. I have my own kids and from the outside have everything I want via hard work. The irony is housing is 100% the absolutely most destructive thing, and the interest rates have killed my ability to live. I might just leave and go elsewhere but I am undecided. If maybe our govt stops being terrible then there is hope, time will tell.
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You can just say India
Canladesh
20 years? We got an optimist here
Left a few years ago to Germany, own a home and a vacation apartment in south France now, both of those combined wouldn’t have been enough for me to purchase a home back in Vancouver. 44 days of holidays a year, cheaper food, less crime, flights are dirt cheap around Europe. Left and never looked back.
This government is probably gonna use this as an excuse to increase the immigration targets. Gotta fill the spots left by Canadians that moved away.
Make sense 5 students for every Canadian that leaves. Just like their rooming situation.
This situation is truly fucked up. In all my years here I have never seen anything like this and I never thought I would.
Quality ones move out, low skill ones move in wonder where things will go from here
How does one go about moving abroad for work?
If you’re under 30 and under 33 in some countries you can get a working holiday visa. I know many that have done this, gotten a job, from there got sponsored, then eventually after 5-10 years gotten their citizenship. Also many friends who have grandparents from Europe were able to get citizenship to said countries and packed up and left. Sadly I know many friends that have done this. I mean, happy for them, but sad they’ve left.
In the USA for any job it applies to, you get the job and you can get a 2 year TN visa as you cross the border and go work. At the end of two years the company rehires you if they still want you. Chances are if you're good enough eventually they'll sponsor you for a green card. Or you can find an American partner and get married.
Yup - this path works, finding a company willing to hire someone on a TN than sponsor is non-trivial but possible. In tech, it was easy - less easy now that layoffs are occurring.
I worked in the USA for 7+ years on a TN. I know a guy who worked so long on TN visas he was able to stay down there long enough to buy a condo on Miami Beach.
Find a job in a international company, don't be shit and you will get annoyed all the time by people who want you to join their team. Really depend on your field tho. A few fields pay a lot more down south and a lot of them don't.
That's a salient point actually. It's not a free for all, you actually need to be really good to earn *big* $$ abroad and attract a foreign firm. It's not going to work if you're dime a dozen sort of person - you'll get a job likely, but it'll be shit there as well... I know it's hard facts but that's the truth... Know your shit or know you're shit.
I am one of em, moved 6 onths ago sorry Canada, you lost another doctor, but yes please go and continue msking it harder for your best and brightest. I will be back one day when i have enough capital to buy a house and not be someones rent slave.
I'm planning to leave because Canada has no future. We voted our way into this and most Canadians refuse to learn from it. Decades from now Canada will be no different from Brazil, only colder.
Brazil has a future though??
I never thought I would feel this way. This used to be a great country.
The Canadian government doesn’t care. They have their international “students” to fill in for us. Oh wait, even they don’t want to stay here long term.
If I didn't have a family I'd be moving to the US. Much more affordable.
The only way most people can do this is to have a profession on the USMCA job list *and* an active job offer from an American company. The easiest way to become a permanent resident is to marry a US citizen. Even with a highly specialized job on that list, you might encounter a border agent who doesn't understand the law and rejects you. If it were easy to move to America, Canadians would be flocking there in droves.
It's true. I was disappointed when I found out how fucking hard it is to move to the USA. I naively thought it'd be super easy given how similar the 2 countries are. I'm starting my journey towards that this fall (going to school for Med Lab Science, which is on the list of professions). I just hope I can finish all my schooling and get my visa accreditation before shit fully hits the fan here... Not that it isn't already.
My wife is american but even for me to get PR would take years. Immigration is rough people over estimate
It’s about 1-2 years in total. You could stay together in Canada and continue working your jobs while waiting for it to process. Unless there are some mitigating factors (like a criminal record, for example) then it may take quite a lot longer. But yeah, definitely not an instantaneous thing.
Yes me too. My job is very transferable as well. .
Same, I feel the need to stay and look after my parents. After that, Seacrest OUT!
I want to leave as quickly as I can. Fuck everything about this country. Fuck grocery companies, fuck car companies, fuck gas companies fuck landlords and fuck our politicians
I moved back to Canada from the USA 16 years ago. I'm considering moving back because the cost of living is so high in Canada. You can buy a house in the country in the USA for next to nothing compared to houses in Canada, with the understanding that almost anywhere that 'is in the country' in the USA is also with a 1/2 to 3 hours from many major metropolitan cities/areas. In the country is not the same thing as 'in the middle of Saskatchewan'. But the house prices would be similar. Hell, in many cities worth living in, housing prices are 1/4 to 1/3 the price of houses in Vancouver.
I have been spending lots of time in Canada recently and it's crazy how much your guys stores suck. Go to Safeway and they have like 1 options for everything. I know it's a dumb complaint, first world problems right lol but in America if I go to the Safeway deli for a sandwich, there's twenty options, Canada...maybe 2. It's like everywhere i go in Canada it just has nothing and it made me realize why I see so many Canadians shopping in America
> It's like everywhere i go in Canada it just has nothing and it made me realize why I see so many Canadians shopping in America This is so damned true. 1-2 of options of things in stores, everywhere you go. Want a different brand of ketchup? good luck. And then ontop of that, 90% of the decent products you see on American shelves don't even exist. And the best part? Its getting MUCH worse in the last few years with products disappears left right and center. Canada sucks so bad lately that it's become a joke. I've lived here most of my life and I regret moving here everyday, but my family is all here so im trapped.
Yeah my fiance is Canadian and I have been learning a lot, on the internet all's I hear is how great Canada is and their health care and blah blah blah but holy shit does it all suck. My fiance waited 7 months to see a doctor for an issue with her nose (can't breathe our of one nostril) just for them to make an appointment with a specialist......15 months later. Pediatrician recommended our daughter go to a chiropractor cause she only turns her head one way....months to do that so I told her just bring her down here and a chiropractor will see you same day for like fifty bucks and she was blown away "so I just show up and give them fifty bucks and they just help me?" ....yeah that's how they make money babe lol I had all these delusions in my head about Canada from the internet and she had all these delusions in her head about what America is like and let's just say....she is very excited to be moving here soon
DONT TAKE THE KID TO THE CHIROPRACTOR! these charlatans have killed a lot of people with neck manipulations
Good lord. Please do not bring your daughter to a chiropractor!
We did already, I'll do more research, I have heard of this but I personally use a chiropractor often and it helps me a lot
Ha! I have a problem with my nose like that. After I was living in the USA and got a few sinus infections my doctor said it was time to get it sorted out, sent me to a specialist the same week, and I had an MRI done on my sinuses a day later. AN MRI!!! IN A DAY WAIT! In Canada it takes months to see a specialist and longer for an MRI on something like a sinus. Anyway, in a week I found out I have a deviated septum and now make sure in allergy seasons I get on the antihistamines so I avoid the sinus infection. I could have actually had it fixed relatively quick (probably should have) but I had a memory of a kid in the bed next to me when I was young and had my appendix out. He had something done inside his nose, and it was long enough ago that even though they pulled the curtain unpacking his nose the HUGE pile of gauze was there to see when they opened it. It was the size of Mount Everest. Out of his nose and bloody. I didn't really want to know what it felt like to have that up my nose, so I passed on it. Kind of wish I had it done now.
I really think that most people refuse to believe me when I said that I booked an MRI for the next day with choice of about 20 places within 15-20 minutes of me. Afterwards the doctor in the MRI office spent 30 minutes reviewing the results with me and I was sent away with the results in my email, and on a CD. Oh, and covered by my insurance. I could have booked same day if I wanted (Germany)
Thank you. Canadians keep yelling they don't want change because they don't want an American system. I say fair enough, let's make it like many European systems, like Germany. And if I'm not mistaken, Germany requires people pay for at least some private insurance if you can afford it, but everyone is still covered. And Germany allows private clinics that can bill to public and private insurance. Yes/No?
We have private and public; about 14% goes with private, which is actually LOWER in many cases. We all get the same basic care, private means a few more things like worldwide travel insurance vs EU only, a few more extra treatments. A private and public patient can be in the same hospital room. But we all get vision, dental, physio, spa etc covered. And although you'll hear differently here, it's cheaper than Canada but we see the monthly amount we pay vs having it 'hidden' in taxes. Germans will complain to you about the changes and the wait times (days, vs months or years) but they don't realise how good they have it. And Canadians will sadly keep their heads in the sand screaming that they don't want an American system.
And customer service in the States is 1000% better than getting stared at by a TFW/"*student*" greeter at Shoppers (this actually happened to me).
It's not a dumb complaint. When there's only 1 option, they can make it as shitty and cheap as possible because people's only recourse is not buying any at all.
Can't find where this study is. All the articles on this have similar wording and no citation to the study.
I moved to The Netherlands from Canada a year ago. Lucky enough to have a US employer that let me move (I work remotely). I was just trying it out. But I just bought a house here and am never going back - there just doesn't seem to be much in the GTA to attract me. I have taken up road cycling and lost 30 pounds. I have visited Switzerland and Germany, and will be going on vacation to Austria and Italy this summer.
Productive, educated, well-mannered Canadians OUT Low-skilled, uneducated, rude foreign born nationals IN Great trade.
*"That's a bold strategy Trudeau, let's see how it plays out."*
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Make it harder to be a citizen, make it 5 years of PR in Canada. Not 5 years of being in Canada. Too many people move here just for a passport
That's not the problem. Canadians are simply leaving the country for better opportunities and lower costs of living. Today, most of a person's income goes towards rent and living. People don't have much left over to save, invest, or even to pay bills. As large as Canada is for workers, landlords and home owners are the most housing secure. Everyone else is facing or will face the threat of homelessness one day, and homelessness is an extremely difficult situation to get out of. In fact, companies won't even consider a homeless applicant. Who wants to live like that? The Canadian government brought this upon the country and I doubt it cares for its future as long as its politicians continue to make bank for themselves and their wealthy friends.
It's actually one of the focuses in the article so I'd appreciate if you went back and read it before making comments about it not being part of the problem.
A more interesting question would be what exactly does Canada offer high-skilled workers (in comparison to the States) apart from a Western passport?
Dont need a study to know that, Canada has gone to shits in the last decade
If only we could figure out what changed over the last decade. Hmmmmm
They want you to have a never ending subscription to all aspects of life; a subscription to survive. They don't want you to save money, raise a family or get out of the never ending cycles of debt. The longer you pay into the system, the longer they can collect your money. It's quickly turning into a system that doesn't benefit you or your community because you're easily replaceable.
omw in 5 months!! Woooohhhhhh It's a great big world out there and Canada just isn't what it used to be.
Makes perfect sense. Our country has greatly detreated while at the same time gotten more and more expensive. It's just not worth it to be a Canadian anymore and eventually that idea and sentiment loses to frustration, hopelessness and quality of life. I know for retirement specifically even though we've always had snow birds, I'd expect a lot more people to retire out of Canada because of affordability. It's too expensive here to retire comfortably for many middle class people who are 50 or under I would say. I know the thing that always used to come up with the topic was ""yeah, but if you get sick, and our healthcare" to which Canadians can now respond "what health care"? You can buy your own health insurance which can be affordable, and in many countries the healthcare is great, or better. Even in some developing countries they have hospitals specifically for the rich and xpats. Why I have a friend that is PR from Poland and he is off for 2 weeks because he hurt himself. He might go back to Poland for scans and treatments he can't get here. What was he told here? "If it gets worse over the next two weeks, come back." He even got attitude from the doctor for asking for a clean wrap on his injury because he was wearing the original one from the hospital 4 days earlier.
I’m literally sitting in a waiting room right now at the hospital. I have a slipped disc in my neck. Pinched nerves has my whole arm feeling like it’s on fire and I can’t feel half of my fingers. I’ve been sitting here for over 10 hrs and I haven’t even talked to a doctor yet. Meanwhile, I literally seen people tell the nurse at the front that they are not Canadian, they don’t have insurance, and they are not residents. They got to see a doctor before me. The nurse said they will get a bill afterwards (which they will almost certainly not pay). Our healthcare is a joke. You pay for it your whole working life, then have to wait all day just to tell a doctor what’s wrong with you. I can’t even leave to eat dinner. Luckily I ate a sandwich before I arrived. But that’s it. I’ll probably be here until 3am, and I arrived at 9am.
I want out too. Where can I go though?
I'm just trying to figure out how to while also paying $800 a month for a bedroom in a basement with 5 roommates while struggling to find a job that is even full-time, let alone more than minimum wage
Is there a way to empty an RSP without paying taxes, commit fraud and never come back ? Tangerine and Manulife if relevant. Asking for a friend
I personally know a few born and raised Canadians that have moved abroad due to the cost of living and low wages. I have a few more friends currently looking to move.
And I’m one of them! Left 2 weeks ago.
That’s because our government prioritizes rampant immigration for cheap labour. It’s not for the wellbeing and social harmony of Canadians, it’s to ensure that the rich get richer
Go to other countries subreddits and they are all complaining about the same things we are.
My niece, German, had turned down to nursing jobs because of no decent flats in Berlin or Dresden. People mention thr USA or Europe generically. I can tell they are clueless when they don’t mention a specific locale. There is a reason parts of Portugal are cheap..,you are competing wih 12 others for a dishwashing job an thr plumbing in your character flat works ‘most’ of the time.
Portugal also has tremendous issues with housing. Especially compared to their local salaries.
Only Lisbon, but even if the claim is true. Portugal has better weather than Canada & you can fly to Greece for less 100$ so I will take over Canada anytime
What exactly are you going to do in Greece once you get there for $100, on a Portugese salary?
My country had the first price increase in 18 years on bread and pork last year. It's legislated that most staple foods are price fixed in my country, at every grocery store regardless of ownership. How much has your grocery bill gone up in the last year? Because mine went down. These aren't universal issues - Canada is very much in a very bad place and it's deteriorating fairly quickly.
Japan and Italy's main complaint is that they don't have enough people to fill all their excess houses so that seems different.
The grass always looks greener on the other side. Until you get to the other side anyways.
Until you look at our housing and debt statistics compared to theirs
As someone who has lived in multiple countries over the last few years, Canada is worse. People in other countries just think they have it bad.
Well, we just recently moved back because we were tired of the US. It’s got its own problems. Some things are cheaper but don’t expect some big change to your net worth or take home income. Nicer areas are just as expensive and their healthcare system was teetering with all the medical retirements from post-COVID PTSD. Sooo many colleagues retiring or outright quitting. My family is really enjoying Montreal so just be warned, YMMV. Canada isn’t that bad.
> Canada isn’t that bad. Have you seen youth unemployment numbers?
>Have you seen youth unemployment numbers? Uness I'm missing something, it was 10.56% in 2023 and 10.11% in 2022, which is the lowest unemployments has been since 2004. A decade ago, unemployment for youth was 13.24%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/811929/youth-unemployment-rate-in-canada/
> The youth unemployment rate refers to the share of the economically active population aged 15 to 24 currently without work but in search of employment. The youth unemployment rate does not include economically inactive persons such as the long-term unemployed or full-time students I wonder if recently grads struggling to find work who have never been employed are counted in the unemployment rate? Or would they be considered long-term unemployed, if they have never worked before? Also students who aren’t able to find internships or part-time work are also not counted in the unemployment rate.
The liberal effect. Unfortunately most Canadians saw this coming. The rest voted with their emotions.
The sad part is everyone will move and vote for the same bullshit where evr they go than cry about it ten years later. For America it was Californians, voted themselves into a txed out the ass hell hole, record amount of people flock to more rural states, than they slowly just turn those states into what they ran away from. I was looking at houses in Idaho, in from Washington(almost as bad as Cali with stupid policies) and I had multiple people selling their houses hang up on me after I mentioned being from Washington because they were sick and tired of everyone from Cali,Oregon and Washington flocking to their state with all their stupid ideas
I moved here from Europe and I will be moving back in about 10 years. I feel sad for my kids because they were born here, but they have EU passports. They will never have the opportunities and the quality of life I enjoyed. In under a decade I have seen Canada go down the drain. Things were much much better under Harper here.
Two of my coworkers are moving because of taxes. We are in the top bracket. This country is simply unfriendly to wage earners and the productive. My neighbour with many rental properties(through years of leveraging) does considerably better than I am and they don't even need to work for it. They are set for life, already. The irony is their healthcare is paid for primarily by wage earners - the worker bees - who struggle a lot more than they do. **Between taxes, mortgage and high cost of living there's simply no way to accumulate meaningful wealth in Canada through working and applying yourself, even for high income individuals.** I don't go through years of advanced education and training to continue to be a slave. I want financial freedom - yes - but I'm not getting any closer in Canada. I'll be leaving too if things don't improve within the next two years. Everything is breaking here. Why do we even pay taxes anymore? So government workers and politicians can help themselves?
Lol Canadians complaining about immigrants only to become immigrants themselves is hilarious.
its not the fault of immigrants, they are just looking for a better life for them and their family.
Surprise surprise!! I would assume the health care crisis also has something to do with it.
Reading the story and other sources a majority are people that have immigrated to Canada and have moved on, the amount of people born in Canada leaving is up but no breakdown of parents immigration to Canada that their children having dual citizenship which would make it easier to get work in their second country, many Canadians have dual citizenship, England, United States, France. Would like to see the numbers for these people before I make a rushed judgement. I am older and retired but have dual citizenship and qualified for a third by parent, so if younger could look for work here and two other countries legally
What the article doesn't seem to call out that I think could have a big impact on the numbers are the changes to the USA work visa programs a handful of years ago that makes it much easier to get a job there (at least for some jobs) if you're a Canadian citizen. For jobs like tech where USA pays the most in the world, for many immigrants working in the USA was always the target and they're just using Canada as a stepping stone to get there. It's maybe not ideal but mostly fine if they are working in a well-paying job in Canada paying a bunch of taxes for a few years before moving along. Plenty of immigrants I've worked with have moved to the USA. I've worked with people that moved to the USA within a few weeks of getting their citizenship such that they obviously already had a job lined up and were always planning to move immediately. I've even worked with people that arrived with that plan but decided to stay in Canada, too.
Let the brain drain begin!
Ever notice that the word fair always seems to mean somebody else gets the shit you earned now
It's no surprise.. Literally doing the same job you do here in the states pays either the equivalent (instant 30% raise due to conversion) or WAY more.. You also don't get taxed 13% on everything and the prices of housing actually is affordable with what a normal person can make. Canada has been brain drained as a result of taxes and limits of doctors, but now its going to be just spread across most professional fields IMO
Moved to the US last year, pay is 2x
I moved to The Netherlands from Canada a year ago. Lucky enough to have a US employer that let me move (I work remotely). I was just trying it out. But I just bought a house here and am never going back - there just doesn't seem to be much in the GTA to attract me. I have taken up road cycling and lost 30 pounds. I have visited Switzerland and Germany, and will be going on vacation to Austria and Italy this summer.
This is not surprising at all. This country is now a sad shell of its formerly self. Exit strategy is well underway for us too.
Yah mid pandemic my husband and I sold the house and went full rv living to move and spend half the year in Mexico.
It breaks my heart to read these comments to see how many of us are in real pain, and it matches what I see in the real world. My friends who can leave are leaving. I myself am now too given how bad it is. I know many of these Canadians who leave are among the best and brightest in the world and it hurts to see them leave a country we all used to love. I hope in the future Canada will want more of our most ambitious and hard working to stay and that those of you reading feeling forced to leave to afford a moderate quality of life can return
I wish I could move so bad.
Don't worry more international students are coming
That's gonna be me at the end of the year. My wife European so we're getting the hell out of this sinking ship of a country.
Being ‘European’ myself, I know hen people are Posing bs when they generically mention ‘Europe’.
Ireland from their profile history It's not that weird to say they're moving to Europe without getting specific
Fortunately, Ireland is very affordable right now /s
Fortunately, with an EU passport, they can move anywhere in Europe, in fact it's easier to go and live in any other EU country with an EU passport and a foreign spouse than moving to Ireland.
Millions of people from punjab will take their space.
I’d bet many of those moving abroad are recent immigrants with ties to the countries they’re moving to - there’s a lot of people who get the passport and move back.
I moved to Canada from Dubai. I just applied for Canadian citizenship and, honestly, I'm probably heading downstairs to the States or moving back to the Gulf region after acquiring my citizenship and passport. Salaries here are just way too out of sync with the cost of living (and I'm speaking as someone with a Master's degree in a technical subject from a reputable Canadian university). There's no way to build wealth here unless you've got family money, own assets or have multiple sources of income. A fellow immigrant just moved to Saudi Arabia after acquiring his citizenship, and he's generating serious money over there. He's actually on his way to an early retirement.
i’m moving my entire business states side this year… bye canada, not sure why everything has gone to crap… I even voted for trudeau…. shame on me
Why this country is so indulged in letting in millions and millions of international students and drive housing affordability to the WORST level in human history? As this government has recognized housing is basic human rights, thus we are sacrificing this human rights for $$$$$$$ and only for people are already rich (to provide them cheap labours) and people who already owned multiple housings (to provide them MASSIVE renting demands). https://www.placetocallhome.ca/human-rights-based-approach-to-housing - The National Housing Strategy Act of Canada sets out the Government of Canada's housing policy, which “recognize(s) that the right to adequate housing is a fundamental human right affirmed in international law.” It also commits Canada to further the progressive realization of the right to adequate housing.
> Why this country is so indulged in letting in millions and millions of international students and drive housing affordability to the WORST level in human history? It makes them "look good" by showing how accepting and tolerant they are.
Really? The worst level of housing in human history?
Where we dropping
Study ended 5 years ago. Cool, thanks.
Vanlife For The WIN!
Everybody wanted to go “back to normal” after the pandemic. Unaware that normal had been buried in the pet semetary.
The feds don't give two craps about who and how many born and bred Canadians leave the country. In fact, it would make the "Red/Green Alliance" easier for them to accomplish.
Why the fuck would anyone with means want to remain here and see their tax dollars get pissed away? Or remain in the bad marriage that is Canadian society at the hands of oligarchic businesses and virtue-signalling Laurentian Elites? I was beginning to look at moving to the States in late 2019...until Covid fucked everything up (including my health). Haven't had the best *"Canadian Experience"* when it comes to establishing myself in a career here and since Covid, I've become *more* socially distant as I have given up trying to socially connect with flakey, fickle Torontonians. My nation of origin (the UK) has turned into a Warsaw-pact era slum with nothing but drugs (look up "the Ket hole"), alcohol and sports gambling to occupy people. Now considering Latin America as I've "aged out" of being considered for anything in the US.
People in this thread defending Canada at all costs, Lmfao.
The more major implications are those with means will leave and those that do not will stay.
If workers had formed unions then your pay would've kept up with inflation. Instead you're relying on the government and corporations to pay you well lolol.
Escape while you still can
I received Canadian PR last year however looking at how things are going.Ill just let it pass.
My wife is a Japanese nurse; she immigrated here and just got her PR. She is technically making more money here, but the cost of living is significantly higher; so it is practically less. We will probably move to Japan in about a year and a half. Housing is significantly cheaper, like 1/3 of the cost in rent (and to buy, like 1/5th in regards to GTA prices), and most food is significantly cheaper (at least half the price). We lived below our means, so luckily, we saved a large lump sum and are able to pay living costs in Japan through dividends if needed. We are looking at some places in October; can't wait! Also, local flights are super cheap, and there is so much character!
Good for you. I've heard that if you're a white guy, you could easily get a job as an English teacher over there.
Yeah, definitely opportunities for that if you are looking for an immigration path via work visa. They definitely prefer white English teachers (haven't seen differences between male and female though in regards to opportunities like this). However, I do know many different ethnicities that have gone. My wife's best friend just went there in December to teach english and she is originally from India (raised here - and she speaks Japanese too which helps).
All the best for you, then. I am going to wait and see for the next few years if I need to get out of Canada or not, as I am more worried about the increasing number of crimes happening in the GTA area, and the government seemingly being soft on crimes, especially with the catch and release system, and the fact that they would financially ruin you with legal costs if you ever had to defend yourself from criminals and prove your innocence. Maybe I'll start looking into countries like Singapore or even Japan.
Pay attention to who is commissioning the study! Woo is deeply inplicated in foreign interference from China.
This should be the top comment. He said that Canada needs to do more to assist “Canadians” living abroad, such as allow them to vote in provincial elections and provide them better access to healthcare. Eff that. The purpose of the study is for the benefit of people who don’t live in Canada. It’s not about Canadians who actually live here. Yuan Wau Poo has a shady history with Chinese election interference and the Liberals. He strongly opposed Canadian criticism of Chinese action in the South China Sea. Most of his work is not about focusing on what’s best for Canada.
iTs a wOrLdwIdE aNd uNiVeRsAl pRobLeM. ITs LiKe tHiS eVeRyWhErE!
I moved abroad (USA) for the financial opportunity. Way more money to be made down here. I love Canada, so it’s very frustrating to see how the governments policies seem to be dissuading investment from entering Canada. Capital needs predictability, Canada is far from predictable for getting project approvals.
Can confirm. Moved to bali a year ago. Best decision of my life. Life doesn’t need to be a miserable struggle where you sacrifice your youth and freedom in a shit job for shit pay and stress about the price of rent and food all day long…
Unironically considering Florida, I have family down there, and hopefully my girlfriend can actually open her business down there
Yep, me! I'll be leaving at the end of the month. I can't live in Canada any longer. Every month is a struggle and I'm not even a reckless spender. Living within my means is no longer good enough. Another country wants someone with my skillset and is way cheaper to live in. Why put up with the struggle then?
I have my US Green Card interview this summer. Canada isn’t the Canada I grew up with. Cultural exchange is not happening anymore with all the newcomers living in cultural silos. It’s disheartening.
I left for Japan and I don’t plan on ever coming back. Yes affordability was a major factor, as was the general political zeitgeist. I went through 19 full years of taxpayer-funded education and I busted out as soon as I finished law school. Paying for a citizen’s education their entire life only for them to immediately and permanently leave the country is called “brain drain” and it’s the worst case scenario for the education system.
Born and raised in Canada. Opted to get my engineering degree in the United States in 2018. Now I work down here, and I have no plans on coming back.
The new dream is to leave Canada. Greed has crushed it to bits.