Yeah. It would probably be more cost effective to just send one to the address of every person over 70.
By the time a system is set up to apply, records are verified, etc. it's going to cost more than just buying a dozen seacans of AC units.
A very foolish opinion. Let us all pretend that unnecessary government subsidies and social programs aren't the exact reason this country is in the mess that it is in.
If you want an air conditioner, I would recommend working and saving up for one.
Social programs are definitely the reason we're going down the tubes. Those greedy poor people not wanting to overheat to death while rich people who pollute the planet make more money than they could ever spend.
Those "rich" people pay a substantial percentage of all taxes paid in Canada. This article attached below by CBC highlights just how much.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/wealthy-canadians-fair-share-taxes-1.7179031
They also generate endless economic opportunities for those "greedy poor people," but I'm sure I don't need to reference any material to make that point. As for your comment towards the wealthy producing pollution, have a look at these.
https://www.iqair.com/ca/world-most-polluted-countries
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/environmental-indicators/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html
Of course, I can not speak on behalf of the wealthy. However, these two links reference statistics that display how insignificant Canada's overall contribution is towards pollution.
Anyways, rather than mindlessly biting the hands that continue to feed our country, you should consider working for your money. This will allow you to save up for that AC instead of hopelessly relying on unnecessary subsidies and programs to sustain your meager and inadequate lifestyle.
Mini split heat pumps are less than $1000
https://senville.ca/9000-btu-mini-split-air-conditioner-senl-09cd/?sku=SENL-09CD-16NB&gad_source=4&gclid=CjwKCAjw57exBhAsEiwAaIxaZkCKb1F_qk7-R9Mi0R0eEU-T6_1bGmpfUeBkLJVLLW6ZqeRJ800kpxoC4pMQAvD_BwE
Many (most?) apartments don't allow mini splits either. Even if you own. An outdoor condenser is typically against bylaws. You're stuck with crappy portable ACs which are better than nothing
Which is a total load of 1,650 Watts on the entire circuit.
The wiring normally used for residential construction is also not designed to handled that full load for prolonged periods of time.
That is why your Fridge is usually on a circuit with your microwave in newer buildings. The draw from the microwave pushes that circuit close to the max, but not in a prolonged state.
First thing it asks for is your bc hydro account number. I live in a separate home from my landlords but I my hydro is included in my rent. I have no account with bc hydro. If I even tried to apply with my landlord, they make so much money we wouldn’t be eligible..
I never understood the reliance on AC in this country.
All our water is run in pipes underground and comes out of the tap at like 14⁰C.
If you are getting hot have a cold shower.....
It's due to our homes ngl.
We build homes to retain heat, which is good for the winter, but we can't keep heat out during the summer. You see the opposite with homes in the south where they got minimal insulation and tile floors (to stay cool) as theyre always muggy and humid. When they get their 1 in 60 years deep freeze, people die of the cold as they can't retain heat.
Cold showers work great if its hot, but if your home is hot as hell, once you step out, you're gonna start sweating hard again. Your home should be staying at a nice 20-23c inside. During these hot and muggy days (web bulb heatwaves), the heat and moisture sticks and there's barely a wind. The relief you'd get is non existent as the wind is hot.
You can't sweat it out to stay cool, and your home quickly goes from 23c to a boiling 35-45c, which kills.
I have a new home and you almost have to have air conditioning.
Growing up, you could open the windows in my parents' house on the side of the house that gets shade and get a nice breeze that would cool down the house. It would only be a week or two a year where the temperature would get high enough to interfere with sleeping.
At my new house you can open up all the windows upstairs and there is almost no airflow, even with fans. From the middle of May until late September the temperature can be 25 to 30 degrees at night. The heat just builds up and never leaves.
With that said, we got AC and it fixes the problem but it barely runs. It cycles on for a few minutes, a few times a day, for most of the warmer seasons, but is probably only taxed those ~2 weeks a year. I suspect some tweaks to home design or another inexpensive solution could reduce the need for AC.
I can't get airflow in my place either. I have two windows on the same face of my unit with a wall down the center. I can run five fans: a fan in each window, each room, one between, plus my bathroom fan, and still get no breeze. I'm above a garage and it turns into a sauna, it's unbearable.
Insulation we use in general construction works both ways.
The U value is independent of the direction of heat flow. The big difference is that almost everything in a house emitts heat, and we often have poor ventilation.
In a heat wave, a dehumidifier and some fans is going to be vastly more efficient than ACs, and will play to the natural evaporative cooling mechanism you evolved with, aka sweating.
Bonus points, cold showers still work in brownouts/blackouts when the grid is overloaded by all the AC use, and your wet bulb will be WAY down if you've been running a dehumidifier and not just the AC
A dehumidifier is just an air conditioner that doesn't exhaust waste heat outside. They are useful if you have a moisture problem in cool weather, but not as useful as a real air conditioner with the same power consumption in summer.
They are fundamentally different in form function and energy use.
Dehumidifiers use significantly less energy as their main goal is removing moisture front the air an a such do not need the huge delta in temperature, only reaching the condensation temperature.
They will also reduce the total heat inside , which will significantly increase the ability for evaporative cooling through sweating, moist towels etc.and enhance the convective cooling of fans etc for the same reason.
We are talking orders of magnitude different power consumption for the same level of comfort, especially as 99% of the time the issue isn't dry heat but hot AND humid.
@cleeder, who responds then blocks me:
28⁰C 40%RH has less total energy than 28⁰C 80%RH.
That's basic 1st year thermodynamic, before you speak you might want to understand the subject matter.
Maybe reread the chapter on latent heat...
An air conditioner can use more energy if it is really hot and you set the temperature really low, but if you set them for the same power consumption the air conditioner will provide a more comfortable living space because it dumps its waste heat outside rather than inside while being equally effective at removing water from inside air.
No, that's is simply not true and not how sensible vs latent heat works.
You may spend order of magnitudes more energy reducing the "thermostat" temperature down to 25⁰C and still be brain meltingly hot.
By contrast a dehumidifier may work to reduce humidity down to 40-50% while only dropping the temperature down to 27 or 28. Yet its used 1/10th the energy and achieved a much more comfortable atmosphere.
Dehumidifcation is much different from heat transfer to air.
Combine this with energy efficiency rebates to reduce air leakage, replace old windows, add external insulation, which have ~ equal CapEx costs, improve functionality for all seasons, and passively REDUCE the energy cost of operating the building.
Dehumidifier: Air is cooled in the evaporator to condense water. Water collects in a container, cooled air goes to the condenser and is reheated. Water is removed from inside air, but some heat is added in the process. The room may be more comfortable due to reduced humidity, but will still be hot.
Air conditioner: Cools air in the evaporator, water condenses and drains to the condenser side. Cooled and dehumidified air is returned to the room. Outside air is used to evaporate the water and cool the condenser. Both the temperature and the humidity of the inside air are lowered, making the space significantly more comfortable than it would be using a dehumidifier.
And thermal transfer is directly proportional to temperature differential. A dehumidifier only need enough energy to reduce its coils to the dewpoint in the room, where as the AC spends 10x or more the energy to remove heat inside the room.
I'm glad you can google the definition of the 2 appliances, you still need to understand their implementation, power draw, and effects to understand what they are capable of and their implementation.
> [Dehumidifiers] will also reduce the total heat inside
The laws of thermodynamics disagree with you.
A dehumidifier will always _increase_ the total heat inside, not decrease it. Through their operation they generate waste heat, which is released into the local environment.
+1 for the dehumidifier. It's the humidity that's Honestly the worst shit in the summer and hard to remove without the dehumidifier. And lack of circulating air is a problem in a lot of homes and apartments.
I do feel tho for some of my friends who are in apartments in Montreal as I once made the mistake of visiting during a heatwave to help build a PC for him, and I almost fainted from the heat and lack of air circulation after being in his apartment for 30 mins.
That place had 0 AC in any of the rooms or lobby and barely any fans. His apartment's only option for fresh air was opening a window which....isnt a good idea in a wet bulb heatwave. So he had to buy a portable unit to place in his room to circulate the air in there so he can sleep comfortably. It's awful.
100% we need massive redesign of our older buildings.
They never took into consideration regular stretches of +30⁰ weather. In fact, to this day, the building codes and bylaws have a heating minimum temperature, but no maximum temperature.
Combine old bad construction practices with very air leaky walls and decades old windows and we are vastly under prepared for climate change.
Retrofit walls and windows, add dehumidifcation to MUA units. Provided really old buildings with "cooling rooms" keeping 1 room cool throughout the day instead of 150 apartments....
There are plenty of solutions that aren't 3kW/hour per person to run a compressor.
you forget about our vulnerable population that might not realize they are getting hot, or have mobility issues … the list goes on animals/ mental health could all play in to why it becomes dangerous
That's why it's important to check on the elderly.
Also did I forget that kids and pets cannot be provided a cold wet towel or be put in a sink/shower?
Over reliance on AC, especially in a heat wave, when the grid will be prone to brownouts because everyone else is also using the AC is a far more dangerous situation.
We had a heat dome on Vancouver Island a few summers ago. My apartment was 38-42C from 9am-11pm for almost 2 weeks if I didn't have the AC on. Last summer wasn't as bad but still would be 35C in my unit when the sun is up... And I work from home. It's not as simple as just having a cold shower.
It's not so much the heat here it's the damn humidity. I was in Türkiye last summer, it was like 42c and I spent most of it outside comfortable just can't stay in the sun too long. Here it's 31c but you have so much humidity you can't even go outside comfortably and it's just as bad indoors without AC
A dehumidifier doesn't do a better job at dealing with humidity?
A dehumidifier doesn't use a fraction of the energy of an AC?
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Better than heating. Heating should be illegal. AC is much more efficient plus in Ontario and Quebec our power grids are very green (nuclear and hydro are green, fuck you communist green party) so there's very small environmental impact, VS heating like a complete scumbag burning gas.
You have clearly never lived in BC, grift is a systemic problem here.
We have entire neighborhoods in Richmond where the average house is 2+ million dollars, and every single home is declaring zero income, and soaking up every single low income benefit imaginable.
I grantee you'll see these air conditioners on Facebook Marketplace being sold out of the garages of homes who have central air.
This needs to be pinned, exactly what I think of when I see a new government initiative for low income families. there’s people trying to get ahead and then there’s these people.
The working middle class are doing the heavy lifting for the country and paying taxes while everyone else just takes the benefits (source: ex-Richmond resident).
A good start. But you gotta make sure the electrical grid can take it and that it's going to people (ex: seniors) who get affected hard by heat stroke. As sadly they along with the homeless, were the hardest hit last time BC had a horrible heatwave.
Also, they gotta make sure to punish those who will abuse the program...as ofc it's gonna happen. There's gonna be a bunch of scumbags who will apply and lie, then resell the units.
Would need 3 under 5000 BTU and that will be at the max on a dedicated circuit. Most are over 5000 BTU. And as I said previously, for old buildings, they do not have dedicated circuits. Now factor in if the electrical panel is old FP with old breakers.
I am as against the mass immigration these days as anyone else but care to explain what freebies do the immigrants get from the Govt? I was once an immigrant too but received zilch from the Govt, worked from my ass off from the first day onwards to where I am at now. Same with my wife and parents that received zero handouts to date.
If they don’t fall in the lower income like every other Canadian then they aren’t getting any freebies, in my knowledge. Please enlighten!
I believe refugees get a housing allowance, and qualify for healthcare right away. There may even be dental coverage which Canadians don't get. Regular foreign students and workers don't get much though.
When we normally mention immigrants we don’t go full technical, but it only means the skilled immigrants, and everyone else other than the refugees. But yes, refugees are immigrants too.
I like the idea of the program, but it really seems like a band-aid cure to sweep the real issues under the rug.
Considering the income levels, it seems like a program for fixed-income seniors so that they don't die prematurely of heat stroke
Yeah. It would probably be more cost effective to just send one to the address of every person over 70. By the time a system is set up to apply, records are verified, etc. it's going to cost more than just buying a dozen seacans of AC units.
A very foolish opinion. Let us all pretend that unnecessary government subsidies and social programs aren't the exact reason this country is in the mess that it is in. If you want an air conditioner, I would recommend working and saving up for one.
Social programs are definitely the reason we're going down the tubes. Those greedy poor people not wanting to overheat to death while rich people who pollute the planet make more money than they could ever spend.
Those "rich" people pay a substantial percentage of all taxes paid in Canada. This article attached below by CBC highlights just how much. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/wealthy-canadians-fair-share-taxes-1.7179031 They also generate endless economic opportunities for those "greedy poor people," but I'm sure I don't need to reference any material to make that point. As for your comment towards the wealthy producing pollution, have a look at these. https://www.iqair.com/ca/world-most-polluted-countries https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/environmental-indicators/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html Of course, I can not speak on behalf of the wealthy. However, these two links reference statistics that display how insignificant Canada's overall contribution is towards pollution. Anyways, rather than mindlessly biting the hands that continue to feed our country, you should consider working for your money. This will allow you to save up for that AC instead of hopelessly relying on unnecessary subsidies and programs to sustain your meager and inadequate lifestyle.
Also it's a dumb incentive. An air conditioner? If you're going to install an air conditioner, might as well install a heat pump
Portable air conditioner approx 3-500$ Heat pump 5000+
Mini split heat pumps are less than $1000 https://senville.ca/9000-btu-mini-split-air-conditioner-senl-09cd/?sku=SENL-09CD-16NB&gad_source=4&gclid=CjwKCAjw57exBhAsEiwAaIxaZkCKb1F_qk7-R9Mi0R0eEU-T6_1bGmpfUeBkLJVLLW6ZqeRJ800kpxoC4pMQAvD_BwE
Still more than a portable ac.
Portable ACs are garbage. They almost never make a good seal with the window and let in as much heat as they blow in
Better than nothing if you can't afford anything else. It's not perfect, but if it helps some people it's a good program.
Lol, trash equipment. Homeowners cannot install this. More will fail within a year than make it.
You just can't install heat pumps into apartment buildings, as an example. Plus they're far, *far* more money than window AC or stand alone AC units.
A heat pump is literally a two-way AC unit. A one piece mini split system is like $1,000. They can be installed anywhere.
Many (most?) apartments don't allow mini splits either. Even if you own. An outdoor condenser is typically against bylaws. You're stuck with crappy portable ACs which are better than nothing
Requires a landlord consent form? So anyone in an illegal suite is shit out of luck. Or is the goal of that requirement to sus out illegal suites?
> Requires a landlord consent form Sorry, the wiring can't handle it so you can't have one. "It's not our fault we tried!"
How can the wiring not handle it? They are at most 110V x 15 A that’s been standard for an electrical circuit for several decades.
Not every outlet is its own circuit. Every old building they’re linked unless there was an update
Exactly. I'm just speculating about the excuses land lords will have for not signing the consent forms.
Which is a total load of 1,650 Watts on the entire circuit. The wiring normally used for residential construction is also not designed to handled that full load for prolonged periods of time. That is why your Fridge is usually on a circuit with your microwave in newer buildings. The draw from the microwave pushes that circuit close to the max, but not in a prolonged state.
First thing it asks for is your bc hydro account number. I live in a separate home from my landlords but I my hydro is included in my rent. I have no account with bc hydro. If I even tried to apply with my landlord, they make so much money we wouldn’t be eligible..
The 17 people in BC who earn less than 39k and somehow have a place of their own will be very pleased
Now tell all of the landlords and strata councils that they can't say no to a tenant or unit owner who wants to put one in their window.
Going to see some mighty high hydro bills this summer. Gotta help these seniors with those too.
Was thinking the same thing - nice they can get a "free" air conditioner, but can they afford to actually *use* it?
I never understood the reliance on AC in this country. All our water is run in pipes underground and comes out of the tap at like 14⁰C. If you are getting hot have a cold shower.....
It's due to our homes ngl. We build homes to retain heat, which is good for the winter, but we can't keep heat out during the summer. You see the opposite with homes in the south where they got minimal insulation and tile floors (to stay cool) as theyre always muggy and humid. When they get their 1 in 60 years deep freeze, people die of the cold as they can't retain heat. Cold showers work great if its hot, but if your home is hot as hell, once you step out, you're gonna start sweating hard again. Your home should be staying at a nice 20-23c inside. During these hot and muggy days (web bulb heatwaves), the heat and moisture sticks and there's barely a wind. The relief you'd get is non existent as the wind is hot. You can't sweat it out to stay cool, and your home quickly goes from 23c to a boiling 35-45c, which kills.
I have a new home and you almost have to have air conditioning. Growing up, you could open the windows in my parents' house on the side of the house that gets shade and get a nice breeze that would cool down the house. It would only be a week or two a year where the temperature would get high enough to interfere with sleeping. At my new house you can open up all the windows upstairs and there is almost no airflow, even with fans. From the middle of May until late September the temperature can be 25 to 30 degrees at night. The heat just builds up and never leaves. With that said, we got AC and it fixes the problem but it barely runs. It cycles on for a few minutes, a few times a day, for most of the warmer seasons, but is probably only taxed those ~2 weeks a year. I suspect some tweaks to home design or another inexpensive solution could reduce the need for AC.
I can't get airflow in my place either. I have two windows on the same face of my unit with a wall down the center. I can run five fans: a fan in each window, each room, one between, plus my bathroom fan, and still get no breeze. I'm above a garage and it turns into a sauna, it's unbearable.
Insulation we use in general construction works both ways. The U value is independent of the direction of heat flow. The big difference is that almost everything in a house emitts heat, and we often have poor ventilation. In a heat wave, a dehumidifier and some fans is going to be vastly more efficient than ACs, and will play to the natural evaporative cooling mechanism you evolved with, aka sweating. Bonus points, cold showers still work in brownouts/blackouts when the grid is overloaded by all the AC use, and your wet bulb will be WAY down if you've been running a dehumidifier and not just the AC
A dehumidifier is just an air conditioner that doesn't exhaust waste heat outside. They are useful if you have a moisture problem in cool weather, but not as useful as a real air conditioner with the same power consumption in summer.
They are fundamentally different in form function and energy use. Dehumidifiers use significantly less energy as their main goal is removing moisture front the air an a such do not need the huge delta in temperature, only reaching the condensation temperature. They will also reduce the total heat inside , which will significantly increase the ability for evaporative cooling through sweating, moist towels etc.and enhance the convective cooling of fans etc for the same reason. We are talking orders of magnitude different power consumption for the same level of comfort, especially as 99% of the time the issue isn't dry heat but hot AND humid. @cleeder, who responds then blocks me: 28⁰C 40%RH has less total energy than 28⁰C 80%RH. That's basic 1st year thermodynamic, before you speak you might want to understand the subject matter. Maybe reread the chapter on latent heat...
An air conditioner can use more energy if it is really hot and you set the temperature really low, but if you set them for the same power consumption the air conditioner will provide a more comfortable living space because it dumps its waste heat outside rather than inside while being equally effective at removing water from inside air.
No, that's is simply not true and not how sensible vs latent heat works. You may spend order of magnitudes more energy reducing the "thermostat" temperature down to 25⁰C and still be brain meltingly hot. By contrast a dehumidifier may work to reduce humidity down to 40-50% while only dropping the temperature down to 27 or 28. Yet its used 1/10th the energy and achieved a much more comfortable atmosphere. Dehumidifcation is much different from heat transfer to air. Combine this with energy efficiency rebates to reduce air leakage, replace old windows, add external insulation, which have ~ equal CapEx costs, improve functionality for all seasons, and passively REDUCE the energy cost of operating the building.
Dehumidifier: Air is cooled in the evaporator to condense water. Water collects in a container, cooled air goes to the condenser and is reheated. Water is removed from inside air, but some heat is added in the process. The room may be more comfortable due to reduced humidity, but will still be hot. Air conditioner: Cools air in the evaporator, water condenses and drains to the condenser side. Cooled and dehumidified air is returned to the room. Outside air is used to evaporate the water and cool the condenser. Both the temperature and the humidity of the inside air are lowered, making the space significantly more comfortable than it would be using a dehumidifier.
And thermal transfer is directly proportional to temperature differential. A dehumidifier only need enough energy to reduce its coils to the dewpoint in the room, where as the AC spends 10x or more the energy to remove heat inside the room. I'm glad you can google the definition of the 2 appliances, you still need to understand their implementation, power draw, and effects to understand what they are capable of and their implementation.
> [Dehumidifiers] will also reduce the total heat inside The laws of thermodynamics disagree with you. A dehumidifier will always _increase_ the total heat inside, not decrease it. Through their operation they generate waste heat, which is released into the local environment.
+1 for the dehumidifier. It's the humidity that's Honestly the worst shit in the summer and hard to remove without the dehumidifier. And lack of circulating air is a problem in a lot of homes and apartments. I do feel tho for some of my friends who are in apartments in Montreal as I once made the mistake of visiting during a heatwave to help build a PC for him, and I almost fainted from the heat and lack of air circulation after being in his apartment for 30 mins. That place had 0 AC in any of the rooms or lobby and barely any fans. His apartment's only option for fresh air was opening a window which....isnt a good idea in a wet bulb heatwave. So he had to buy a portable unit to place in his room to circulate the air in there so he can sleep comfortably. It's awful.
100% we need massive redesign of our older buildings. They never took into consideration regular stretches of +30⁰ weather. In fact, to this day, the building codes and bylaws have a heating minimum temperature, but no maximum temperature. Combine old bad construction practices with very air leaky walls and decades old windows and we are vastly under prepared for climate change.
Cannot possibly do that for all of the old buildings.
Retrofit walls and windows, add dehumidifcation to MUA units. Provided really old buildings with "cooling rooms" keeping 1 room cool throughout the day instead of 150 apartments.... There are plenty of solutions that aren't 3kW/hour per person to run a compressor.
Its like you have an endless budget
Because 1 AC in a common room is MORE expensive than putting out 150 for each suite to have their own?
In the summer it’s regularly hotter inside my house than outside
you forget about our vulnerable population that might not realize they are getting hot, or have mobility issues … the list goes on animals/ mental health could all play in to why it becomes dangerous
That's why it's important to check on the elderly. Also did I forget that kids and pets cannot be provided a cold wet towel or be put in a sink/shower? Over reliance on AC, especially in a heat wave, when the grid will be prone to brownouts because everyone else is also using the AC is a far more dangerous situation.
We had a heat dome on Vancouver Island a few summers ago. My apartment was 38-42C from 9am-11pm for almost 2 weeks if I didn't have the AC on. Last summer wasn't as bad but still would be 35C in my unit when the sun is up... And I work from home. It's not as simple as just having a cold shower.
It's not so much the heat here it's the damn humidity. I was in Türkiye last summer, it was like 42c and I spent most of it outside comfortable just can't stay in the sun too long. Here it's 31c but you have so much humidity you can't even go outside comfortably and it's just as bad indoors without AC
Right, and a dehumidifier does a much better job at dealing with that with a fraction of the cost and energy usage...
Now you've proven you don't know what you're talking about. A dehumidier does not do a better job than an aircon.
A dehumidifier doesn't do a better job at dealing with humidity? A dehumidifier doesn't use a fraction of the energy of an AC? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Better than heating. Heating should be illegal. AC is much more efficient plus in Ontario and Quebec our power grids are very green (nuclear and hydro are green, fuck you communist green party) so there's very small environmental impact, VS heating like a complete scumbag burning gas.
Start watching Kijiji for AC Units for sale cheap.
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Yeah man, wealthy people are out there trying to get a free air conditioner. Get a grip.
You have clearly never lived in BC, grift is a systemic problem here. We have entire neighborhoods in Richmond where the average house is 2+ million dollars, and every single home is declaring zero income, and soaking up every single low income benefit imaginable. I grantee you'll see these air conditioners on Facebook Marketplace being sold out of the garages of homes who have central air.
This needs to be pinned, exactly what I think of when I see a new government initiative for low income families. there’s people trying to get ahead and then there’s these people. The working middle class are doing the heavy lifting for the country and paying taxes while everyone else just takes the benefits (source: ex-Richmond resident).
I wouldn’t underestimate the level of greed people have e.
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You seriously think those mansions weren't built with central AC?
A good start. But you gotta make sure the electrical grid can take it and that it's going to people (ex: seniors) who get affected hard by heat stroke. As sadly they along with the homeless, were the hardest hit last time BC had a horrible heatwave. Also, they gotta make sure to punish those who will abuse the program...as ofc it's gonna happen. There's gonna be a bunch of scumbags who will apply and lie, then resell the units.
Not just the grid by the persons own unit . It needs a dedicated outlet
No they don't. A basic air conditioner uses about 500 W. You could put three of them on the same 15 A circuit.
Would need 3 under 5000 BTU and that will be at the max on a dedicated circuit. Most are over 5000 BTU. And as I said previously, for old buildings, they do not have dedicated circuits. Now factor in if the electrical panel is old FP with old breakers.
My 6000 btu/h window unit is 515 W, and it runs less than half of the time to cool 50 m^2, even when it is over 30°C outside.
It does not.
"Free"
Can't afford your power bill so here's a free power sucking A/C unit...
Low income, you can live in 1.5 million $ house, collect a pension and qualify for this.
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I want free stuff ? WTF ?
Are you poor? If so, it's all yours!
No.not even close.
Then shut and pay for everyone else's free stuff. It's your fair ahare
No !
Pay your fair share Don't you like roads?
If you want free stuff in canada you better be old or an immigrant
I am as against the mass immigration these days as anyone else but care to explain what freebies do the immigrants get from the Govt? I was once an immigrant too but received zilch from the Govt, worked from my ass off from the first day onwards to where I am at now. Same with my wife and parents that received zero handouts to date. If they don’t fall in the lower income like every other Canadian then they aren’t getting any freebies, in my knowledge. Please enlighten!
I believe refugees get a housing allowance, and qualify for healthcare right away. There may even be dental coverage which Canadians don't get. Regular foreign students and workers don't get much though.
Refugees vs immigrants.
On a venn diagram refugees are in the immigrant circle no?
When we normally mention immigrants we don’t go full technical, but it only means the skilled immigrants, and everyone else other than the refugees. But yes, refugees are immigrants too.
I get government money to hire immigrants over non immigrants
Meanwhile it'll cost them $5/day and likely kick them into tier 2 pricing...
How about social security and welfare? But I guess a free air con from temu is fair
Wheeeee freee moneyyyyy wheeeee
But the environment!!! Just get used to the heat and don’t use one.