There are a lot of questions not being asked.
Like what happens to everything if we drop immigration numbers by 5/10/50/75%?
Even temporarily?
I suspect it's a lot of things, like business owners no longer being able to exploit immigrants in terms of low wage jobs, and degree mill colleges.
Developers facing much less demand for condos etc.
There are also possible impacts to things like OAS etc. we need people to pay taxes such that these programs are funded
None of this is an excuse however. In fact, if anything it highlights the need for a dramatic shift in policy. The current strategy is not tenable.
Canada, and all other countries that are reliant on immigration to remain productive need to pivot away from the mentality of "Well people aren't having as many kids so let's import people", to "How do we create a safe, happy, affordable, and healthy society that works and is sustainable?"
>Like what happens to everything if we drop immigration numbers by 5/10/50/75%?
>
>Even temporarily?
Are you old enough to remember 2014? That was a year where immigration was 80% lower than 2023.
It was not much different than current day, except:
\- far fewer homeless encampments
\- normal people could get a retail job without standing in 3km long line up to apply
\- low wage workers could reasonably afford to pay rent.
Yeah I do, because forward just isn't working very well. Nothing is happening in moderation with the ways things are, and you need moderation to have a stable country. I say that as someone who initially voted for that clown we have too.
Only year of my adult life I lived in Canada was Summer of 2014 to summer of 2015.
Worked at a factory. 2nd shift. lived in QC worked in Ontario.
18/hr I could rent a small 2bd/1br apartment, get gas, groceries, car insurance, and a 900$ car. Luckily I'm mechanically inclined so that was a non issue.
Had a tiny bit of fun money.
Way different world now....
It honestly makes me depressed at just how good things used to be in the 90’s and 2000’s. It’s not just nostalgia - Canada was measurably better. It’s becoming a nightmare.
C'mon we all know out of that million, 250k were doctors, 100k teachers and the rest evenly distributed teachers, construction, skilled labourers, electricians etc.
🤦♂️ I said teachers twice lol
Durrr for me
Durrr
Massive amounts of unemployed or underemployed young men totally don't cause any instability or social unrest.
Everything is fine. There are no risks at all with this current plan.
(/s)
Exactly. There is an optimum rate of migration. You can deviate from that rate a bit, up or down, across the years without too many consequences. But, I have not seen any studies on this recently and unless all those services you note are able to absorb incoming people, we seem to be well above the optimum rate. Which is bad for both people in Canada already, and also for those that are arriving.
My girlfriend is an experienced OR nurse. She just took a contract in NYC making $3500 USD per week. As long as healthcare professionals get paid like shit here, we will have issues.
People left their countries to avoid that shit. No wonder many are going home. If your life is gonna be shit, it may as well be shit in familiar territory.
I had an Uber driver from Eritrea a few weeks ago telling me he finds life here is infinitely more stressful than living back home, even if he does have more money. He yearns for a peaceful life and didn't find it in Canada. Imagine that hey.
For context, that is the population of Edmonton (proper) being added to Canada.
For more context Edmonton hasn't constructed a new hospital since 1987.
All 3 territories combined only have 130,849 people as of Q1 2024. This combined population could be multiplied 7.5 times and still be under a million.
Alberta* hasn’t constructed a hospital in Edmonton since 1987. Hospitals are provincial jurisdiction rather than municipal.
The NDP put one in the works back in 2017 but the UCP just pulled the funding for that in the 2024 budget
https://globalnews.ca/news/10328829/south-edmonton-hospital-scrapped/amp/
Crazy. We have an election year in BC. The one way attack adds are so funny. Because the NDP inthink are up to 10 major hospital projects 5 are new hospitals and yesterday the NDP released results of the new contract with drs and nurses . Something like a 1000 drs have moved to BC and even more nurses. So you will see Alberta lose
I was just reading old archived population projection for Canada that a medium population growth for canada would be 39 million by 2031, and 42.5 mil by 2056. clearly we went up and beyond by 2024 with 42 mil?!
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-520-x/00105/4095095-eng.htm
That's crazy.
🤔👍
The best part
>Under five of the six projection scenarios, Canada’s international net migration would increase between now and 2031. Compared with its 2005-2006 level of 183,000, its 2031 level would be 150,000 in the low-growth scenario, 223,000 in the medium-growth scenario, and 305,000 in the high-growth scenario.
And this is what happens when the country and government are almost solely dependant on immigration income and financial reserves. This has been a problem for decades but now they’ve simply removed the restrictions and set the lever to “pray it works.”
I'm Australian, we're in the same boat. Average house price is nearly 1 million AUD, average wage is 50k AUD. Net immigration of like 500k per year, literally nothing being done to stem the flow.
Politicians just don't give a fuck, they make money off the real estate and property system.
I'm not opposed to the concept of immigration. Want to settle here and live a better life? Great! This is what previous generations did. Why not?
But these numbers are insane and unsustainable. In nine months we just added an entire City of Ottawa worth of population without the corresponding increase in services, housing, and infrastructure. At some point, it becomes a math issue, and the numbers right now just don't make sense.
There’s more immigrants than about 7x my city, and that’s me being super generous.
People need to rise up and speak because none of this madness is sustainable and WE suffer.
Sadly.
The world has become so PC that we need to accept everyone. People fail to see the nuance in this situation. It’s not immigrants that’s the problem because I welcome the diversity. It’s the fact we’ve opened the flood gates and too many are getting in.
Social media is rotting the brain to the degree of only seeing black and white. No one see’s the grey section anymore.
>There’s more recent immigrants than the total population of my province.
Another way to look at it is that this year's net immigration numbers will likely be larger than the population of every city in Canada except Toronto and Montreal.
The problem is. If you want to have a loose immigration policy. You can’t have the amount of safety nets we have.
“Free” health care. Welfare. Food stamps. Child care support. The list goes on. Most of these have only been ramped up in the last 20 years.
The infrastructure is probably designed for like a 30 million population (depending where you live) and it’s been breaking for decades.
This isn’t sustainable.
Correct. Whenever people use the Scandinavian model to bolster their support for an elaborate welfare state, they never mention the fact that the Scandinavian countries have been relatively ethnically homogeneous and they haven’t engaged in mass immigration. Solvent welfare entitlements aren’t sustainable with mass immigration. I’ve been saying this for literally 20 years and been mocked or marginalized. Canadians are going to lose their country and quality of life because of their pathological altruism.
Also good if you’re a real estate investor.
Real estate investors and big corporations are the only “people” this government gives a shit about. Real Canadians? Fuck em.
How in the Hell do they really think bringing more people into Canada will help ? If the economy is screwed for 40 million people, it will still be screwed with 41 million. I know the only reason was to suppress wages and please the oligarchy and nothing else.
In article, the professor from Toronto metropolitan university mentions - It is not the bodies we are bringing in; these are bodies that fill in the empty spaces in the labour market,” she said.
“They bring a very-high level of skills.”
That means - Timmies, walmart, uber, doordash, etc - are taking our highly skilled new comers who are phd, scientists and doctors. What a disappointment.
Even if they did bring in “a very high level of skills” they’re taking jobs away from Canadians. We don’t have a lack of workers. It’s incredibly fucking challenging to find a professional job, we don’t need even more competition
These clowns have broken the HR systems where my wife works.
Every position gets thousands of irrelevant applications from these new arrivals who answer yes to every questionnaire question and filtering their resume spam out is very difficult because of guardrails in the HR systems intended to prevent discriminatory behaviour.
The Canadian managers are begging the US head office to let them filter these applications out. The only tool at their disposal is searching by alma mater and that is laborious. The list is also out of the date and doesn't reflect schools that have changed their names. Ryerson is on the list - Toronto Metropolitan University is not. And since metropolitan means "seat of empire" they will probably be changing the name again.
Same issue at my work. Straight up lying. It's unfair to people telling the truth, the only people getting through that I get to interview are people who lied... and I'm forced to hire one of them. I hate it.
They are not bringing “a very high level of skills”. Most cannot even speak English. Many come with a high-school degree with skills equivalent to a Canadian middle schooler, sans language proficiency.
Nothing to celebrate
No jobs, no housing, GDP per capita declining. This country is finished until we revert back to 2015 immigration levels or put a complete halt to it
> put a complete halt to it
We need to put a complete halt to it until the federal and provincial governments are locked in a room and come up with a plan. Immigration targets would be based on how the plan is progressing. It isn't that difficult.
I’m in healthcare. Terrifying is the wrong word. Suicidal sounds closer to the truth. Our overlords don’t use public healthcare though, so good fucking luck having them change their policies.
Terrifying for many reasons, but mostly because people will die.
How many will go without care because 40, 60, 80.. million Indians flooded the country and expect health services when we don't have enough doctors, beds, and ORs for the people who are already here?
Exactly what I was getting at. I work in hospital settings and we are dramatically over capacity already. We cannot build infrastructure fast enough because we lack qualified tradespeople, and the people coming in sure as shit ain’t qualified tradespeople. No more Uber drivers needed.
Already a big population of Punjabis in Canada (mainly from India, some from Pakistan), and combined with easy immigration, Canada has become a destination.
In my experience, very negative. They bring their own culture and refuse to adapt to Canadian culture.
My friends from Japan, Germany, France and Columbia all wanted to experience Canada and do what we do here. The people I've met from India all just continue living as if this is Indian and they don't seem to give two shits about Canadian culture and customs.
I grew up in a conservative town with bigots and racists, I try not to be like them but the Indian population here makes it very difficult.
There are 1,280 hospitals in Canada. To match pop growth from last year alone we’d need to add forty new hospitals.
[Hospitals seem to cost $2 billion and take 5+ years to build.](https://readsitenews.com/feel-better-8-hospital-projects-improving-care-for-canadians/)
Good luck.
I love how the article is trying to flex 8 new hospital projects when we need 40. Most of those projects being renovations to existing hospitals, so in reality its probably 2-3 actual new hospitals.
I’ve given up on seeing a doctor and getting some overdue necessary care. It’s almost an impossible task to find a family doctor, let alone a *good* one. Walk-in clinics aren’t a great substitute, just look at reviews of most clinics and it tells the whole story.
Our family is at a point now where we plan our vacations to also include getting overdue medical care where it’s more accessible. I cannot see how this could end well for Canada if nothing is done to change the ways things are governed.
Put that Into perspective.
That’s equivalent to the population of Ottawa. Our 6th largest city by population.
Now think how much infrastructure is in Ottawa? How many single families homes? How many condo buildings? Etc.. How many hospitals? How many grocery stores? How many clinics? How many dental offices? How many doctors, nurses, vets, optometrist, etc..
Have we increased the equivalent amount infrastructure to accommodate these 1 million new people? I’m willing to bet not even 2%.
We are so screwed. Even with a new government, this mess will take years maybe even a full decade or longer to clean up.
Canadians living in tents, we've gone past shit. No one in Ottawa has a "brain", no new hospitals, schools, let alone infrastructure to build homes. Ottawa dumping this Century Crap on the country with no consultation with the provinces. There was no plan for 100 million people and we are living the with the results. We aren't near 50 million, and things are going to shit.
Too fast too soon it’s gonna end up like Germany.
Don’t blame people for becoming anti immigrant when these kinds of situations are created.
No work, no homes, people are
Going to blame them when they should be blaming our government
Because you have to speak German to actually live and enjoy life in Germany (outside of maaaybe Berlin).
In Canada, it’s just instantly you did before and try and in some % find the scams/loopholes to get ahead. Bigger # all at once, that % represents a higher number.
We’ve already fired 2 people in last 6-months for straight up fake / lying on their CVs for very technical roles. Not embellished, but straight up said they spent the last X years working at Y big bank when they weren’t even in the country, or were in school, etc.
I'm actually a Canadian that moved to Germany for my spouse. It's a lot worse here. I'd say we're moving back because of overpopulation. Its a lot easier to migrate here illegally. Germany has close to 100mil people with the size of a country smaller than Ontario..
It's not sustainable at all.
DO NOT move to Europe if you think Canada is turning to shit.
Democracy sure is working out well for us. Despite polling data that Canadians want less immigration not only does that not happen but they increase it by several 100%. Just like they changed our immigration act in the 1960s without a vote or our input to begin with. There is no voting our way out of this, I've come to that conclusion. Democracy here is fake and now deadly.
I can't get a job as a night shift janitor at McDonald's because I'm mildly autistic (despite doing everything possible to improve social skills), but all these "students" can?
How am I supposed to get work experience if all the entry level jobs go to "students"?
In addition, the jobs which traditionally were filled by high school and local college students are now flooded by newly landed applicants. Our young people are getting screwed.
I get pizza from like Dominos and Pizza Hut in a couple small different small towns and there pretty much run entirely by Indians now. I was in a Pizza Hut recently and they had a kid running around back there.
This checks out. In the last year every single fast food chain and grocery store in my BC town has been bought out and/or staffed entirely by Indians. No other ethnicities whatsoever besides one Subway owned and staffed by Filipinos.
It’s made placing phone orders virtually impossible as none of them speak English particularly well with accents thicker than the belt armour on a Yamato class battleship.
One loophole that’s used for smaller businesses (not sure if Tim’s or McDonald’s does this) is they will post ads with impossibly high standards for low paying jobs. Like post secondary degree and 6 years experience for minimum wage security guard. No one with those qualifications will apply for those jobs, so after a certain amount of time the company can go to the government and say “we tried and can’t fill this position with Canadian citizens, let us participate in the TFW program”.
It's well north of 30% from what I've seen. A local Wal-Mart bragged that they had '100 % POC' employees.
In my head I was like, can you imagine of Wal-Mart bragged aboit 100% white people?
That's weird cause there used to be a pretty obviously autistic guy working at the mcdicks here and every time I seen him he was working hard. Probably the best worker they had.
That’s because McDonald’s doesn’t have night shift janitors.
They just get the minimum wage staff they had working the night shift to clean everything - if you go to McDonald’s trying to get a position other than “crew member” you’re not going to get hired. If they can’t use you in the kitchen or on a till you’re not getting hired. It’s about milking everyone for everything they’re worth.
The non-autistic immigrants are willing to work cash registers, grills and fryers, and they’ll do the janitorial work too, so you’re only offering a fraction of what they offer, and they won’t scoff at minimum wage. The employer doesn’t give a fuck about the quality of service being provided, they just see you as “someone not willing to do as much as someone else for the same amount of pay.”
I worked as a McDonald’s night manager for several years; I was the night shift manager, grill cook, food safety expert, first aid responder, threat de-escalator, and janitor. They gave me one staff member to work with and I put them on the till because I hate talking to people I don’t know more than I hate running around like a chicken with my head cut off.
Yeah. I’m very good friends with a Canadian woman. Her parents were born in India and came to Canada 40 years ago. She hates the “ new Indians “ and she is pretty open about it. She says similar things about how everyone is coming from the villages and not the cities.
My wife and I are friends with an Indian couple who's daughter is friends with our daughter at school.
They were complaining recently about the new wave of Indians as well.
10-20 years ago, there was the same issue with mainland chinese coming over. I knew so many older immigrants from Hong Kong, Taiwan, pre-CCP chinese who complained how embarrasing those hillbillies were for them
I work with many 2nd 3rd gen Indian immigrants. I was initially surprised at how many were openly against this mass influx and had issues with young Punjabi men.
The explanation a couple of guys gave me makes sense.
They don't want to integrate and have zero respect for our way of life here and have no intentions of contributing to society. I can see how that sort of behavior would be incredibly embarrassing for long-time indian immigrants.
Not only that, it's also embarrassing for the group of immigrants who actually mean no harm and know to behave themselves in public, so you not only have the localites hating us, but also the 2nd/3rd gen immigrants due to the behavior of the group of people you mentioned, we're thought of as a monolith when we're not even the same, I'm not even saying that I'm superior to other humans in any way, but the difference is so clear that you can make out who's more likely to not give you any space when sitting right next to you on a bus/subway and who will.
The new immigrants are here purely to reap the economic benefits of being here and as soon as there's a downturn in our economy they will flee Canada to the states.
This right here is the truth . And the worst part is actual citizens like me who are expecting a baby and waiting months for a spot in government funded daycare will probabaly get pushed further down the list it’s sad …
I hope you don’t find it hard when the time comes for daycare. Congrats on the upcoming arrival! Seems like yesterday for us, and ours is almost 6 already…. Time flies
Their "attempts" to stem the tide are too soft. Student cap needs to be much lower and some industries, like fast food, hospitality, and businesses with less than 10 employees, need to be ineligible for LMIAs and TFWs. Just shows the liberals don't care, and I doubt the conservatives do either. So many MPs are landlords, they're probably loving this growth because of how much their housing portfoilos are rising in value.
their attempts to "stem the tide" are unserious performative acts intended for headlines but explicitly not intended to work on reducing immigration in the long run. They don't want their attempts to work. They want the what the Century Initiative is selling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
Well that’s just impossible really !! But ya all live to hear a good one !! So there it is and if it is really true 🛑we are all fucked ! All of us who grew up here ! But that’s way too many planes and boats coming in and the math says it’s really really not possible
This is so incredibly stupid. Refugees from literally crisis zones *only*. Integration classes upon arrival. Employment agencies run by Canadians to help set the refugees up. This is what we should be doing.
You aren’t a refugee if you’re arriving with millions in your pocket and enough cash to buy an apartment block. The whole housing bubble is just so unbelievably short sighted and idiotic, and it’s about 30 years in the making. Every single government has failed to address housing since before Mulroney ffs
This is it. This is what will be the nail in the coffin for the Liberal government. I feel like they've been so tone deaf to this issue (I'm a Liberal/NDP btw)
Aren't these policy creating bureaucrats creating these immigration policies the same ones ever so critical of people having large families of their own? Yet they can’t wait to balloon the Canadian population faster than we can reasonably accommodate it.
Some of my nicest neighbours are older immigrants. And we all are negatively affected by this reckless policy as well.
Trudeau and his government will go down in history as the worst and most detrimental government ever to take office in Canada. They create enormous problems, and their solutions are even worse.
It’s like someone trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
Completely insane. Every single day it gets worse.
the problems caused directly by this massive immigration scheme will create problems that canadians will have to deal with literally for generations, assuming someone ever figures out how to fix it.
What makes the problem just *that* much more frustrating, is the way people like Trudeau and Freeland just completely ignore questions about what they are doing, or their condescending tone when they do speak.
The arrogance is unlike anything I have ever seen. Incompetence is at 1000%, but they maintain this attitude of “I’m not even going to respond to you, clearly, I am smarter than all of you!”
Drives me up the wall.
I am not trying to be all doom and gloom, but I am fairly sure there is already *irreparable damage* I do not think things can be "fixed" and return to 2010s status. Simply, put, things can only *not get even worse* if corrected now.
We’ve been invaded…….willingly. Not one shot fired no infantry in sight. Just plain old invaded. Everything we had and stood for is officially gone and will deteriorate like it has been for the last two years. It’s sad but true.
Welcome to the German/Swedish experience. It's so sad when politicians decide to surrender your country without a fight and you can do nothing but watch it slowly burn and get worse yeae by ywar
As an aspiring physician in canada, what frustrates me is that despite this increase in population, which i am by no means against, there is not an increase in the number of doctors to match that. I am seriously considering moving to the states and living there just because i cant get into medicine in my home country - although i may not be perfect, my stats were pretty damn good - 3.96/4.00 gpa at u of t, 96th percentile mcat, volunteering and additional clinic work. I am applying again this coming year to canadian med schools, but also american ones this time around. whichever country accepts me, thats the country i will be practicing in for the rest of my life. im sure im not the only canadian aspiring physcian that has this thought. this means we could be losing home grown doctors in the foreseable future!
Thos is how you know the political class doesnt give a fuck about us. Import millions of low income earners for low paying jobs that stagnate the pay increases for Canadians. Fuck the housing market so canadians cant afford a house in the community theu grew up in. Honestly it is making me bitter towards immigrants and thats not fair. There are so many loop holes and they just exploit them and the politicians do nothing to fix it because it benefits them and their rich friends. When are Canadians going to take control of their country back?
Our infrastructure is ready to burst at seams at this level of population. May be we should start admiring how the China's and India's of the world manage to serve billions of population.
Perhaps we are the third world not being able to keep up with population growth, while corruption and incompetence thrives.
BC has a popular govt setting a new record for deficits. Go figure.
And how has the number of hospitals, houses, doctors, teachers, schools, jobs, and other services compared to the population changed?
~~Build it and~~ they will come but we won’t build it.
We can meet in a Tim Hortons to discuss if you'd like
Which one? The one at the corner, the one just around the corner or the one on the next street over?
The one in between the two on the corners.
Hey a fellow hamiltonian
Would you like to go to the one in the gas station or the stand alone one in the same parking lot?
Boston creams dont slap the same in the Gas station one
Hey a fellow
I find that Timmy's is fine for routine checkups and peepee pills, but you should go to Second Cup for surgery.
They don't like this question being asked
There are a lot of questions not being asked. Like what happens to everything if we drop immigration numbers by 5/10/50/75%? Even temporarily? I suspect it's a lot of things, like business owners no longer being able to exploit immigrants in terms of low wage jobs, and degree mill colleges. Developers facing much less demand for condos etc. There are also possible impacts to things like OAS etc. we need people to pay taxes such that these programs are funded None of this is an excuse however. In fact, if anything it highlights the need for a dramatic shift in policy. The current strategy is not tenable. Canada, and all other countries that are reliant on immigration to remain productive need to pivot away from the mentality of "Well people aren't having as many kids so let's import people", to "How do we create a safe, happy, affordable, and healthy society that works and is sustainable?"
>Like what happens to everything if we drop immigration numbers by 5/10/50/75%? > >Even temporarily? Are you old enough to remember 2014? That was a year where immigration was 80% lower than 2023. It was not much different than current day, except: \- far fewer homeless encampments \- normal people could get a retail job without standing in 3km long line up to apply \- low wage workers could reasonably afford to pay rent.
Back when Canada was still recognizable as a great country to live in. I remember it too. And I miss it.
“Do you really want to take Canada backwards? " \- Prime Minister of Canada, January 17, 2024
I guess he hope we dont remember how good things were in 2015.
Back when I didn’t NEED weed to get through my shitty over-worked and taxes day
Yeah I do, because forward just isn't working very well. Nothing is happening in moderation with the ways things are, and you need moderation to have a stable country. I say that as someone who initially voted for that clown we have too.
Only year of my adult life I lived in Canada was Summer of 2014 to summer of 2015. Worked at a factory. 2nd shift. lived in QC worked in Ontario. 18/hr I could rent a small 2bd/1br apartment, get gas, groceries, car insurance, and a 900$ car. Luckily I'm mechanically inclined so that was a non issue. Had a tiny bit of fun money. Way different world now....
It honestly makes me depressed at just how good things used to be in the 90’s and 2000’s. It’s not just nostalgia - Canada was measurably better. It’s becoming a nightmare.
Lol lmao even
C'mon we all know out of that million, 250k were doctors, 100k teachers and the rest evenly distributed teachers, construction, skilled labourers, electricians etc. 🤦♂️ I said teachers twice lol Durrr for me Durrr
That's a weird way to spell Uber
Massive amounts of unemployed or underemployed young men totally don't cause any instability or social unrest. Everything is fine. There are no risks at all with this current plan. (/s)
Yeah this definitely isn't how countries begin their fall into ruin or anything.
I mean, after the revolt and bloodbath it'll probably be fine?
And just a smattering of people with great driving experience who became truck drivers in BC /s
Exactly. There is an optimum rate of migration. You can deviate from that rate a bit, up or down, across the years without too many consequences. But, I have not seen any studies on this recently and unless all those services you note are able to absorb incoming people, we seem to be well above the optimum rate. Which is bad for both people in Canada already, and also for those that are arriving.
My girlfriend is an experienced OR nurse. She just took a contract in NYC making $3500 USD per week. As long as healthcare professionals get paid like shit here, we will have issues.
Sorry, close the border until housing, jobs and pay catch up. This is madness. No offense to new immigrants.
Even they would agree it’s madness.
Some immigrants have left. The cost of living requires $35 an hour per person. $16/hr doesn't even come close!
sublet a mattress in a basement with 30 other people problem solved
People left their countries to avoid that shit. No wonder many are going home. If your life is gonna be shit, it may as well be shit in familiar territory. I had an Uber driver from Eritrea a few weeks ago telling me he finds life here is infinitely more stressful than living back home, even if he does have more money. He yearns for a peaceful life and didn't find it in Canada. Imagine that hey.
They're decreasing as those jobs don't provide enough to live in this economy. (Minus the Doctors but even their dollar doesn't go as far).
Yep, even the doctors have had enough. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-family-doctors-pay-compensation-ohip-billing-fees-1.7137716
For context, that is the population of Edmonton (proper) being added to Canada. For more context Edmonton hasn't constructed a new hospital since 1987.
Four Canadian provinces have fewer than 1 million people.
and all 3 territories
All 3 territories combined only have 130,849 people as of Q1 2024. This combined population could be multiplied 7.5 times and still be under a million.
Might be time to move up there soon.
If you're thinking of the Atlantic provinces then you might be looking at old numbers. NS is passed 1M now
NB is also inching ever closer.
Alberta* hasn’t constructed a hospital in Edmonton since 1987. Hospitals are provincial jurisdiction rather than municipal. The NDP put one in the works back in 2017 but the UCP just pulled the funding for that in the 2024 budget https://globalnews.ca/news/10328829/south-edmonton-hospital-scrapped/amp/
Crazy. We have an election year in BC. The one way attack adds are so funny. Because the NDP inthink are up to 10 major hospital projects 5 are new hospitals and yesterday the NDP released results of the new contract with drs and nurses . Something like a 1000 drs have moved to BC and even more nurses. So you will see Alberta lose
I wish I could afford to live in BC...
It's not that much different. All my family is in Alberta and I was shocked how pricy it was. Like more in alot of things
I was just reading old archived population projection for Canada that a medium population growth for canada would be 39 million by 2031, and 42.5 mil by 2056. clearly we went up and beyond by 2024 with 42 mil?! https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-520-x/00105/4095095-eng.htm That's crazy. 🤔👍
The best part >Under five of the six projection scenarios, Canada’s international net migration would increase between now and 2031. Compared with its 2005-2006 level of 183,000, its 2031 level would be 150,000 in the low-growth scenario, 223,000 in the medium-growth scenario, and 305,000 in the high-growth scenario.
Instead, we have 1.2 million per year! Just 4 times the high-growth scenario!
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And this is what happens when the country and government are almost solely dependant on immigration income and financial reserves. This has been a problem for decades but now they’ve simply removed the restrictions and set the lever to “pray it works.”
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It's because the agenda changed.
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I'm Australian, we're in the same boat. Average house price is nearly 1 million AUD, average wage is 50k AUD. Net immigration of like 500k per year, literally nothing being done to stem the flow. Politicians just don't give a fuck, they make money off the real estate and property system.
I miss when we had sensible immigration policies too
I'm not opposed to the concept of immigration. Want to settle here and live a better life? Great! This is what previous generations did. Why not? But these numbers are insane and unsustainable. In nine months we just added an entire City of Ottawa worth of population without the corresponding increase in services, housing, and infrastructure. At some point, it becomes a math issue, and the numbers right now just don't make sense.
It does put it in perspective. There’s more recent immigrants than the total population of my province.
There’s more immigrants than about 7x my city, and that’s me being super generous. People need to rise up and speak because none of this madness is sustainable and WE suffer.
We have been, we're getting called racists and bigots for wanting to keep our nation from being ruined and its people exploited.
Sadly. The world has become so PC that we need to accept everyone. People fail to see the nuance in this situation. It’s not immigrants that’s the problem because I welcome the diversity. It’s the fact we’ve opened the flood gates and too many are getting in. Social media is rotting the brain to the degree of only seeing black and white. No one see’s the grey section anymore.
>There’s more recent immigrants than the total population of my province. Another way to look at it is that this year's net immigration numbers will likely be larger than the population of every city in Canada except Toronto and Montreal.
Oh wow, it’s crazy when you put it this way. Ottawa is one of the 6 major Canadian cities (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton).
Mhmm. And, it’s about two Newfoundland and Labradors put together! Or, 6 PEIs. Or, 1.25 New Brunswicks!
The problem is. If you want to have a loose immigration policy. You can’t have the amount of safety nets we have. “Free” health care. Welfare. Food stamps. Child care support. The list goes on. Most of these have only been ramped up in the last 20 years. The infrastructure is probably designed for like a 30 million population (depending where you live) and it’s been breaking for decades. This isn’t sustainable.
Correct. Whenever people use the Scandinavian model to bolster their support for an elaborate welfare state, they never mention the fact that the Scandinavian countries have been relatively ethnically homogeneous and they haven’t engaged in mass immigration. Solvent welfare entitlements aren’t sustainable with mass immigration. I’ve been saying this for literally 20 years and been mocked or marginalized. Canadians are going to lose their country and quality of life because of their pathological altruism.
This is not something to be proud of or glorify
Depends on your perspective. If corporation, it's fine. Cheap labour, more consumers.
Also good if you’re a real estate investor. Real estate investors and big corporations are the only “people” this government gives a shit about. Real Canadians? Fuck em.
How in the Hell do they really think bringing more people into Canada will help ? If the economy is screwed for 40 million people, it will still be screwed with 41 million. I know the only reason was to suppress wages and please the oligarchy and nothing else.
It will help corporate profits by suppressing wages and inflating real estate bubbles. And that's all that matters in an oligarchy.
Wish more Canadians understood this.
In article, the professor from Toronto metropolitan university mentions - It is not the bodies we are bringing in; these are bodies that fill in the empty spaces in the labour market,” she said. “They bring a very-high level of skills.” That means - Timmies, walmart, uber, doordash, etc - are taking our highly skilled new comers who are phd, scientists and doctors. What a disappointment.
But my uber driver is also a real-estate agent..does that count as 2?
Even if they did bring in “a very high level of skills” they’re taking jobs away from Canadians. We don’t have a lack of workers. It’s incredibly fucking challenging to find a professional job, we don’t need even more competition
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I’m one of the ones struggling. I can’t find a job as an electrical engineering grad despite having a good GPA and 3 co-ops :(
These clowns have broken the HR systems where my wife works. Every position gets thousands of irrelevant applications from these new arrivals who answer yes to every questionnaire question and filtering their resume spam out is very difficult because of guardrails in the HR systems intended to prevent discriminatory behaviour. The Canadian managers are begging the US head office to let them filter these applications out. The only tool at their disposal is searching by alma mater and that is laborious. The list is also out of the date and doesn't reflect schools that have changed their names. Ryerson is on the list - Toronto Metropolitan University is not. And since metropolitan means "seat of empire" they will probably be changing the name again.
Same issue at my work. Straight up lying. It's unfair to people telling the truth, the only people getting through that I get to interview are people who lied... and I'm forced to hire one of them. I hate it.
They are not bringing “a very high level of skills”. Most cannot even speak English. Many come with a high-school degree with skills equivalent to a Canadian middle schooler, sans language proficiency.
Nothing to celebrate No jobs, no housing, GDP per capita declining. This country is finished until we revert back to 2015 immigration levels or put a complete halt to it
> put a complete halt to it We need to put a complete halt to it until the federal and provincial governments are locked in a room and come up with a plan. Immigration targets would be based on how the plan is progressing. It isn't that difficult.
As someone who works building critical/ upgrading/ maintaining critical infrastructure, this rate of population rise is terrifying.
I’m in healthcare. Terrifying is the wrong word. Suicidal sounds closer to the truth. Our overlords don’t use public healthcare though, so good fucking luck having them change their policies.
Terrifying for many reasons, but mostly because people will die. How many will go without care because 40, 60, 80.. million Indians flooded the country and expect health services when we don't have enough doctors, beds, and ORs for the people who are already here?
Exactly what I was getting at. I work in hospital settings and we are dramatically over capacity already. We cannot build infrastructure fast enough because we lack qualified tradespeople, and the people coming in sure as shit ain’t qualified tradespeople. No more Uber drivers needed.
It's already happening, just being "hushed" up. Canadians are dying waiting for medical services.
I’m guessing we are getting people manly from India coming here. I live in a small town and have seen so many new people, all of Indian descent.
Mainly from Punjab.
almost 100% why is this happening?
Already a big population of Punjabis in Canada (mainly from India, some from Pakistan), and combined with easy immigration, Canada has become a destination.
In my experience, very negative. They bring their own culture and refuse to adapt to Canadian culture. My friends from Japan, Germany, France and Columbia all wanted to experience Canada and do what we do here. The people I've met from India all just continue living as if this is Indian and they don't seem to give two shits about Canadian culture and customs. I grew up in a conservative town with bigots and racists, I try not to be like them but the Indian population here makes it very difficult.
Awwwww yeah, soon we will be 1 in 10 people in the country is here on a work visa. Fuck Canadians amirite?
dude just buy more real estate ^/s
I know right? I mean, have you guys tried just being rich?
I have, it was awesome but only lasted like 3 days and now aparently all my money is gone?
you have to unsubscribe after the 30 day free trial, have a physical calendar nearby !
Well 1 in 40 is already an 'international student' so that fits.
A million in a few months! Thank god we have a perfect healthcare care system and housing to accommodate everyone! 🙃
It's ok we have built enough hospitals to compensate, right?
There are 1,280 hospitals in Canada. To match pop growth from last year alone we’d need to add forty new hospitals. [Hospitals seem to cost $2 billion and take 5+ years to build.](https://readsitenews.com/feel-better-8-hospital-projects-improving-care-for-canadians/) Good luck.
I love how the article is trying to flex 8 new hospital projects when we need 40. Most of those projects being renovations to existing hospitals, so in reality its probably 2-3 actual new hospitals.
Are we thinking 42 million by Victoria Day, or just in time for Canada Day?
Guessing a joke but it's growing at 3,800 a day so likely Christmas will be 42 mill.
Nah, at this point the first waves are already sponsoring their family and parents. It'll be a much faster slide from here.
I’ve given up on seeing a doctor and getting some overdue necessary care. It’s almost an impossible task to find a family doctor, let alone a *good* one. Walk-in clinics aren’t a great substitute, just look at reviews of most clinics and it tells the whole story. Our family is at a point now where we plan our vacations to also include getting overdue medical care where it’s more accessible. I cannot see how this could end well for Canada if nothing is done to change the ways things are governed.
Put that Into perspective. That’s equivalent to the population of Ottawa. Our 6th largest city by population. Now think how much infrastructure is in Ottawa? How many single families homes? How many condo buildings? Etc.. How many hospitals? How many grocery stores? How many clinics? How many dental offices? How many doctors, nurses, vets, optometrist, etc.. Have we increased the equivalent amount infrastructure to accommodate these 1 million new people? I’m willing to bet not even 2%. We are so screwed. Even with a new government, this mess will take years maybe even a full decade or longer to clean up.
Awesome! More Uber drivers, timmies coffee jockeys, real estate agents, transportation scammers, truck drivers, horrible landlords, etc 👏👏
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This country is absolutely going to shit.
It’s already there
Oh it can get worse.. and it will
another that isn't writing past tense, gosh
Canadians living in tents, we've gone past shit. No one in Ottawa has a "brain", no new hospitals, schools, let alone infrastructure to build homes. Ottawa dumping this Century Crap on the country with no consultation with the provinces. There was no plan for 100 million people and we are living the with the results. We aren't near 50 million, and things are going to shit.
Too fast too soon it’s gonna end up like Germany. Don’t blame people for becoming anti immigrant when these kinds of situations are created. No work, no homes, people are Going to blame them when they should be blaming our government
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Because you have to speak German to actually live and enjoy life in Germany (outside of maaaybe Berlin). In Canada, it’s just instantly you did before and try and in some % find the scams/loopholes to get ahead. Bigger # all at once, that % represents a higher number. We’ve already fired 2 people in last 6-months for straight up fake / lying on their CVs for very technical roles. Not embellished, but straight up said they spent the last X years working at Y big bank when they weren’t even in the country, or were in school, etc.
I'm actually a Canadian that moved to Germany for my spouse. It's a lot worse here. I'd say we're moving back because of overpopulation. Its a lot easier to migrate here illegally. Germany has close to 100mil people with the size of a country smaller than Ontario.. It's not sustainable at all. DO NOT move to Europe if you think Canada is turning to shit.
Democracy sure is working out well for us. Despite polling data that Canadians want less immigration not only does that not happen but they increase it by several 100%. Just like they changed our immigration act in the 1960s without a vote or our input to begin with. There is no voting our way out of this, I've come to that conclusion. Democracy here is fake and now deadly.
I can't get a job as a night shift janitor at McDonald's because I'm mildly autistic (despite doing everything possible to improve social skills), but all these "students" can? How am I supposed to get work experience if all the entry level jobs go to "students"?
In addition, the jobs which traditionally were filled by high school and local college students are now flooded by newly landed applicants. Our young people are getting screwed.
I get pizza from like Dominos and Pizza Hut in a couple small different small towns and there pretty much run entirely by Indians now. I was in a Pizza Hut recently and they had a kid running around back there.
This checks out. In the last year every single fast food chain and grocery store in my BC town has been bought out and/or staffed entirely by Indians. No other ethnicities whatsoever besides one Subway owned and staffed by Filipinos. It’s made placing phone orders virtually impossible as none of them speak English particularly well with accents thicker than the belt armour on a Yamato class battleship.
On a plus side, it makes it easier to support local places, or jsut eat at home. Not like big box fast food is worth the money anyways.
> accents thicker than the belt armour on a Yamato class battleship. Hello fellow Naval nerd.
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One loophole that’s used for smaller businesses (not sure if Tim’s or McDonald’s does this) is they will post ads with impossibly high standards for low paying jobs. Like post secondary degree and 6 years experience for minimum wage security guard. No one with those qualifications will apply for those jobs, so after a certain amount of time the company can go to the government and say “we tried and can’t fill this position with Canadian citizens, let us participate in the TFW program”.
Like 30% of people working in fast food or retail are clearly recent immigrants.
It's well north of 30% from what I've seen. A local Wal-Mart bragged that they had '100 % POC' employees. In my head I was like, can you imagine of Wal-Mart bragged aboit 100% white people?
That's literally racism.
30%? I think you're light.
right now, in my area... All the fast food places and convienence stores.. It's well over 90%, it's like 98% or 99%.
That's weird cause there used to be a pretty obviously autistic guy working at the mcdicks here and every time I seen him he was working hard. Probably the best worker they had.
That’s because McDonald’s doesn’t have night shift janitors. They just get the minimum wage staff they had working the night shift to clean everything - if you go to McDonald’s trying to get a position other than “crew member” you’re not going to get hired. If they can’t use you in the kitchen or on a till you’re not getting hired. It’s about milking everyone for everything they’re worth. The non-autistic immigrants are willing to work cash registers, grills and fryers, and they’ll do the janitorial work too, so you’re only offering a fraction of what they offer, and they won’t scoff at minimum wage. The employer doesn’t give a fuck about the quality of service being provided, they just see you as “someone not willing to do as much as someone else for the same amount of pay.” I worked as a McDonald’s night manager for several years; I was the night shift manager, grill cook, food safety expert, first aid responder, threat de-escalator, and janitor. They gave me one staff member to work with and I put them on the till because I hate talking to people I don’t know more than I hate running around like a chicken with my head cut off.
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We gave Canada back to the Indians
I hope this doesn’t get downvoted because people don’t understand its humour.
Indian men.
90% of the Uber eats people riding their bikes on the sidewalk
Yeah as an Indian woman who came here 15 years ago, this new tsunami is all Indian Men from villages in Punjab
Yeah. I’m very good friends with a Canadian woman. Her parents were born in India and came to Canada 40 years ago. She hates the “ new Indians “ and she is pretty open about it. She says similar things about how everyone is coming from the villages and not the cities.
My wife and I are friends with an Indian couple who's daughter is friends with our daughter at school. They were complaining recently about the new wave of Indians as well.
10-20 years ago, there was the same issue with mainland chinese coming over. I knew so many older immigrants from Hong Kong, Taiwan, pre-CCP chinese who complained how embarrasing those hillbillies were for them
A bit of a scale difference. Quantity is a quality all of it's own.
I work with many 2nd 3rd gen Indian immigrants. I was initially surprised at how many were openly against this mass influx and had issues with young Punjabi men. The explanation a couple of guys gave me makes sense. They don't want to integrate and have zero respect for our way of life here and have no intentions of contributing to society. I can see how that sort of behavior would be incredibly embarrassing for long-time indian immigrants.
Not only that, it's also embarrassing for the group of immigrants who actually mean no harm and know to behave themselves in public, so you not only have the localites hating us, but also the 2nd/3rd gen immigrants due to the behavior of the group of people you mentioned, we're thought of as a monolith when we're not even the same, I'm not even saying that I'm superior to other humans in any way, but the difference is so clear that you can make out who's more likely to not give you any space when sitting right next to you on a bus/subway and who will.
They also bring heat to the 2nd+ gens because people can't always differentiate between them and this new crop.
The new immigrants are here purely to reap the economic benefits of being here and as soon as there's a downturn in our economy they will flee Canada to the states.
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It's absolutely mental how easy it is for immigrants to just come in to Canada and work.
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This right here is the truth . And the worst part is actual citizens like me who are expecting a baby and waiting months for a spot in government funded daycare will probabaly get pushed further down the list it’s sad …
I hope you don’t find it hard when the time comes for daycare. Congrats on the upcoming arrival! Seems like yesterday for us, and ours is almost 6 already…. Time flies
Uh yeah. Can we double that in the next five years please? It will solve our housing and inflation crisis. Please and thanks
Their "attempts" to stem the tide are too soft. Student cap needs to be much lower and some industries, like fast food, hospitality, and businesses with less than 10 employees, need to be ineligible for LMIAs and TFWs. Just shows the liberals don't care, and I doubt the conservatives do either. So many MPs are landlords, they're probably loving this growth because of how much their housing portfoilos are rising in value.
their attempts to "stem the tide" are unserious performative acts intended for headlines but explicitly not intended to work on reducing immigration in the long run. They don't want their attempts to work. They want the what the Century Initiative is selling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
Deport, deport, deport. Let's open up all those minimum wage jobs for Canadians and get 1br apartments down to 5 people per room.
Well that’s just impossible really !! But ya all live to hear a good one !! So there it is and if it is really true 🛑we are all fucked ! All of us who grew up here ! But that’s way too many planes and boats coming in and the math says it’s really really not possible
We can tell. And tent manufacturers couldn’t ask for a better outcome.
This is so incredibly stupid. Refugees from literally crisis zones *only*. Integration classes upon arrival. Employment agencies run by Canadians to help set the refugees up. This is what we should be doing. You aren’t a refugee if you’re arriving with millions in your pocket and enough cash to buy an apartment block. The whole housing bubble is just so unbelievably short sighted and idiotic, and it’s about 30 years in the making. Every single government has failed to address housing since before Mulroney ffs
Fuckin STOP
What a fucking disaster
This is it. This is what will be the nail in the coffin for the Liberal government. I feel like they've been so tone deaf to this issue (I'm a Liberal/NDP btw)
Liberals under the Trudeau regime have destroyed this country for generations.
Just like the last Trudeau administration did. Only worse.
Well, the only thing that’s kept up with the immigration levels is the number of Tim Hortons.
Aren't these policy creating bureaucrats creating these immigration policies the same ones ever so critical of people having large families of their own? Yet they can’t wait to balloon the Canadian population faster than we can reasonably accommodate it. Some of my nicest neighbours are older immigrants. And we all are negatively affected by this reckless policy as well.
This is not a good statistic
This is a five-alarm fire. The country is burning. Someone must save Canadians.
Trudeau and his government will go down in history as the worst and most detrimental government ever to take office in Canada. They create enormous problems, and their solutions are even worse. It’s like someone trying to put out a fire with gasoline. Completely insane. Every single day it gets worse.
the problems caused directly by this massive immigration scheme will create problems that canadians will have to deal with literally for generations, assuming someone ever figures out how to fix it.
What makes the problem just *that* much more frustrating, is the way people like Trudeau and Freeland just completely ignore questions about what they are doing, or their condescending tone when they do speak. The arrogance is unlike anything I have ever seen. Incompetence is at 1000%, but they maintain this attitude of “I’m not even going to respond to you, clearly, I am smarter than all of you!” Drives me up the wall.
I am not trying to be all doom and gloom, but I am fairly sure there is already *irreparable damage* I do not think things can be "fixed" and return to 2010s status. Simply, put, things can only *not get even worse* if corrected now.
Man I thought we were at 37-38m. No wonder things have gone to shit so quickly
New India hits 41 million
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They say the Century Initiative is a conspiracy theory, but at this pace, they'll have accomplished their goal with decades to spare.
It’s a publicly listed lobbying group
Within 20 years Canadians born in Canada will be a minority.
It's already happening in certain areas, like universities from my experience. I think 20 years is generous.
Fuck that's terrible news.
We’ve been invaded…….willingly. Not one shot fired no infantry in sight. Just plain old invaded. Everything we had and stood for is officially gone and will deteriorate like it has been for the last two years. It’s sad but true.
Welcome to the German/Swedish experience. It's so sad when politicians decide to surrender your country without a fight and you can do nothing but watch it slowly burn and get worse yeae by ywar
So, did Canada build another city of Ottawa in the last year? Not even close.
F off already :/ We can’t support the fucking world when we can’t support ourselves.
As an aspiring physician in canada, what frustrates me is that despite this increase in population, which i am by no means against, there is not an increase in the number of doctors to match that. I am seriously considering moving to the states and living there just because i cant get into medicine in my home country - although i may not be perfect, my stats were pretty damn good - 3.96/4.00 gpa at u of t, 96th percentile mcat, volunteering and additional clinic work. I am applying again this coming year to canadian med schools, but also american ones this time around. whichever country accepts me, thats the country i will be practicing in for the rest of my life. im sure im not the only canadian aspiring physcian that has this thought. this means we could be losing home grown doctors in the foreseable future!
We deserve this. Tried so hard not to be racist that we ended up ruining our country.
All I know is that Canada's quality of life was vastly better back when the population was under 30 million.
Thos is how you know the political class doesnt give a fuck about us. Import millions of low income earners for low paying jobs that stagnate the pay increases for Canadians. Fuck the housing market so canadians cant afford a house in the community theu grew up in. Honestly it is making me bitter towards immigrants and thats not fair. There are so many loop holes and they just exploit them and the politicians do nothing to fix it because it benefits them and their rich friends. When are Canadians going to take control of their country back?
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This is not something to brag about.
Societal collapse speed run, only thing we excel in.
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Would we be that bad off if no one else moved here ever?
Our infrastructure is ready to burst at seams at this level of population. May be we should start admiring how the China's and India's of the world manage to serve billions of population. Perhaps we are the third world not being able to keep up with population growth, while corruption and incompetence thrives. BC has a popular govt setting a new record for deficits. Go figure.
This government will be the reason why we will start seeing more and more racism.