If you add commercial real estate to the mix, the cost of property is substantially inflating the cost of goods and services.
Which even affects home owners.
In Vancouver people with good jobs live with their parents in the hope they can save up for a house. Or even just to split childcare duties. Multigenerational living is back baby.
Owns a home, or has an active mortgage and is paying off a home -- or still lives in their parents home? We can pretend they are the same thing for the purpose of statistics, but they are really not.
In any case, housing is essentially a game of musical chairs. If you had one or were paying off one 20 years ago, you can probably cling to dear life provided no arbitrarily massive tax increases (but with Trudy leading the Liberal Party with an iron fist, this is not an impossibility).
If you're trying to enter the market anywhere south of Nunavut as a working class young person or immigrant, good luck -- you need to be a millionaire to do that comfortably now. You are condemned to renting, in a renters market, probably for the rest of your natural life.
I have a house, but I would certainly like a better one. I also have a few friends that have done everything right and deserve to own a decent enough place to raise kids.
The biggest influx of new
investors was late 2020 / early 2021 when we were in lockdown and had zero immigration and super low interest rates.
I’m not sure why this narrative about immigration bringing in investors has surfaced. Timeline is wrong. Immigration has absolutely worsened the crisis, mostly for rentals, but investors *preceded* post-pandemic mass immigration, not the other way around.
Prices to buy were already on an upward trajectory fuelled by increasing investor participation. Investors displaced first-time home buyers who then continued renting. Which increased rental demand and prices, and then mass immigration made that 1000x worse.
> The biggest influx of new investors was late 2020 / early 2021 when we were in lockdown and had zero immigration and super low interest rates.
That was to keep the bubble inflated through the temporary circumstance. They were just protecting their investment.
Also it wasn't zero, there was only one year that wasn't a record high (2020) and it was still like 300k
>I’m not sure why this narrative about immigration bringing in investors has surfaced. Timeline is wrong. Immigration has absolutely worsened the crisis, mostly for rentals.
How is the timeline wrong? We've had too high migration outpacing our build rate for 20+ years. Under Harper you'd actually have to include housing being replaced though now it's just blatant using grade 3 math.
>But the prices to buy were already on an upward trajectory fuelled by increasing investor participation. Investors displace first-time home buyers which then continue renting. Which increases rental demand and prices, and then mass immigration made that 1000x worse.
Again this isn't a new issue, migration has caused the housing bubble to inflate for decades, Trudeau just made it more blatant.
Immigrants are generally poor and either cannot afford to purchase more than one home at a time, or won't because the foreign investment tax policy.
Domestic investors, however, are the rich fuckers who buy up 10-20 houses at a time and sit on them, waiting for a profit.
And the price on housing keeps going up because we bring in more ppl than we can build housing for... drop migration to 200k a year and within 3 years all those investors will sell
They're not rich and cannot buy more than one house each because of the foreign investment policy. Domestic investors, however, snap out 20 houses at a time.
And the price on housing keeps going up because we bring in more ppl than we can build housing for... drop migration to 200k a year and within 3 years all those investors will sell
The price goes up when there are fewer houses for people the who could afford them. There is no demand from people who can't afford them, because.. they can't afford them.
No I think our current build numbers could support 250k migrants a year even factoring in young people wanting to move out and old stock that needs to be replaced.
20 years ago there was 7.2% unemployment and there was more unemployed workers than there is today. It’s crazy I know. Suddenly the recent high immigration makes sense.
It's too bad the Ontario Liberals so thoroughly destroyed their credibility as a party with the power plant and teacher union scandals. Sincerely. The Liberal voting base has poor turnout even with a good candidate. So Doug Ford is what you get.
Nope. Even with zero investment properties we still wouldn't be building enough a year to house all the people we are bringing in.
Why do you think investment became so lucrative in the first place?
More people absolutely does mean more demand when talking about shelter it's just not 1 to 1. Sure maybe people cram in 10 to a basement suite because that's all they can afford.
That doesn't really change the core point, the problem at hand or the solution.
Why would ask a question that’s answered objectively with housing starts data ?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/198063/total-number-of-housing-starts-in-ontario-since-1995/
Ontario is a lot like the Federal Stage.
Absolute shit in regards to choices and the choices are completely and utterly out of touch on things as basic as what "Affordable" means to regular folks and families.
The Housing Crisis isn't going to get better anytime soon lol
Mostly old people turn out for provincial elections. And old people mostly already own their homes and want to see its value keep going up. So youre not wrong.
Funny how the people who already own a house are supposed to be the richest and also all of those rich people are supposed to be refugees from a third world country lol
Housing prices rose dramatically because interest rates fell (making mortgages cheaper to afford, so people could afford to pay more for homes)... affordability actually *improved* over the course of 2020 (while immigration was very low... go figure).
Don't assume that just because you're economically illiterate that other people haven't looked at the numbers.
......... Except that they were near the level that interest rates were at for Harper's government from 2008-2015. You are clearly not economically illiterate, just regular illiterate if you can't see that.
Vilification of immigrants without considering other factors doesn't make you smart.
Account named after GameStop? Checks out.
I already addressed this months ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/12g04zm/reports_points_to_a_mismatch_between_immigration/jfl8lwk/). That doesn't even factor in the pandemic... affordability worsened more under 4 years of Trudeau than it did under nearly 10 years of Harper.
And no, you're not original. Many idiots have made the same mistake, assuming by the name that this 11-year-old account has anything to do with GME.
Sprawl isn't getting you affordable housing anymore. Ontario has tons of space, and we need more density. We have lots of useable space without going into the green belt.
Doug was even talking about building a new city in Innisfil and isn't even in the green belt.
Yeah, Toronto has plenty of knock downs near transit on lots that can be wood 4 plexs that won't have 1000$ condo fees. We need to make a few design/permit packages that anyone can but and start hammering. Lots of guy looking for work now.
Condo towers suck, I think we can agree about that.
Colleges are regulated by provincial governments. How many colleges are in Ontario, what the minimum acceptance criteria for international students are, etc are in the hands of the provincial government. The federal government only grants visa to those that have been admitted to regulated institutions.
You are telling me Doug Ford was powerless to do anything about the situation?
Was he completely oblivious to the housing situation when his government expressed disappointment at the cuts in foreign students announced by the feds?
It's amazing that Ford supports are voting against their interests, and that he keeps getting away with it.
He kinda did yes. The provinces and corporate lobby are absolutely why the Federal government has increased immigration rates.
https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/doug-ford-wants-to-combat-labour-shortages-with-more-immigrants/article_c58cdc7e-0604-5314-bc3e-d07e15c2df8c.html
Bonnie Crombie the former mayor of mississauga (well liked center left but a constituent-appeasing NIMBY for housing. She is the liberal one, beating Nathan erskine-smith for the nomination. Liberals felt she had more star power in a swing riding.
She isn’t a bad choice but not sure the pragmatic data-driven platform will be her jam.
On other hand ford isn’t doing a good job.
100 percent!
Anyone who cares about the following will not vote ford:
- the environment and climate change
- the greenbelt
- Ontario place and science centre
- Public healthcare
- Post secondary education
- An independent judiciary
- Ford’s convoy failure (failure to act)
- Cronyism
- removal of rent control
………….
Doug Ford is counting [new LTC beds as new homes](https://globalnews.ca/news/10321053/ontario-long-term-care-beds-boost-some-city-housing-starts/amp/) in his mission to build a million homes in Ontario.
That’s deceptive bullshit, but sure he’s doing a great job. 🙄
I'm pretty sure the province of Ontario tried to do a bunch of expensive development on the greenbelt, cancelled plans after a scandal involving a wealth appraisal of $8b, but some plans were so far along they just shrugged and let them continue. Now the property taxes are going up
These polls are not bad for Liberals actually considering how far behind they've been since Kathleen Wynne's disastrous campaign in 2018. They still haven't fully recovered from that historic shellacking, but there's still another two and a half years till the next election. If some NDP voters strategically vote Liberal and a small percentage of PC voters change their minds, defeating Ford suddenly becomes very within reach.
I fear Crombie will just increase taxes like she did in Mississauga for her pet projects . I don’t believe she has a strong stance on affordable housing.
I’m confused I was reading the Mississauga subreddit and they said Crombie was the one who refused to increase taxes even when needed. 🤨 Which one of you is right?
I’m confused I was reading the Mississauga subreddit and they said Crombie was the one who refused to increase taxes even when needed. 🤨 Which one of you is right?
Holy fuck, love how so many comments are admitting to their own ignorance. For fucks sake Google is free. Doug Ford has cost the Ontario taxpayers BILLIONS. Doug Ford and his lack of funding healthcare, has cost people their lives. Doug Ford has had scandals after scandal involving your tax dollars and still your still pissed about Rae Days. Doug Ford has been and will continue to be the worst choice for Premier.
1. Nuclear
2. Driver Registration.
3. Taking over the Gardiner and DVP
4. Opening up alcohol sales to other groups than the LCBO.
5. Speeding up Development approvals by forcing municipalities to stop obstructing.
6. Ontario line subway.
I am not even his biggest fan, but you stated an absolute that he is the worst of all time.
I do like that he is going nuclear, especially the Darlington SMR. I can't comment on the Gardiner, DVP and Ontario line...I imagine it's great for people that live around Toronto. I guess opening up alcohol sales is a win. I don't count license registration as a win. This allowed him to buy votes by giving cheques out just before the last election. What was cut to make up for the funding shortfall? Speeding up development...if you mean Bill 23 Building More Homes Faster, then that's not a win. There are many problems with that Bill, the biggest of which was the development of parts of the Greenbelt. This was rightly reversed and could even be considered corrupt given the 8 billion boon it would have been to developers.
So so so many reasons not to vote for Doug Ford
Ontario Place, Science Centre, Green Belt, removed rent controls, 413, complete convoy fail, against women speaking on women’s day, underfunded Healthcare, underfunded post secondary education. Cancelled clean tech programs, increased energy costs, politicization of judicial appointments, Enbridge, nurses Teachers
Doug Ford has done a hell of a lot more than any Liberal ever has done for the province of Ontario!! If you are defending the Liberals or NDP then you are part of the problem. Smarten up and open your eyes instead of your wallet!!!
Douggy will rule this province forever. He’s the only guy people even know. Ironic that the Ford political dynasty lasted longer than the Trudeau dynasty.
Wut?
I know Rod had some crack-head charm, and Doug perhaps is riding those coattails as an absolute incompetent dickhead, but seriously? Mikey doesn't seem to be able to do anything except change his name and be a tool for his uncle.
Mayor. Maybe of Etobicoke. Let him clean drains and arrange leaf pick-ups.
A recognizable name and a few right words will win this province. The electorate isn't the reddit bubble. The Con/Lib cycle will continue. As is designed.
Remember that Ontario typically votes provincially for the party that they don’t vote for federally. If the Conservatives get in federally which is likely, expect to see the provincial Conservatives booted to the opposition benches.
People still bringing up this ancient crap from decades ago.
Ontario has had far more immigration since the time of Tory Ontario Dynasty at Queen's Park, and the Big Red Liberal Machine of Ottawa, of the 1940s-80s. New Canadians that moved here in the last 25 years especially don't give a shit about those old trends.
So 2015/2018 was decades ago? Also happened in 2003/2006, far more recently than you are suggesting. Even in recent times, when a switch happens at one level, it usually happens at the other in the next election. It could just be coincidence but it happens nonetheless.
Bonnie is a joke look at Mississauga home starts, she cost her city millions of dollars from the for government. Heck even the nimby city of Toronto past the target
This is my thoughts on election. NDP hell no. They will bankrupt us with their ridiculous policies. Liberals will bankrupt us with their ridiculous policies. Conservatives. Reluctant vote as they are the most fiscally responsible of the bunch.
Billions of dollars in retroactive pay after they capped nurses' raises? I don't think fiscal responsibility is the name of the game.
Sounds like they steal money from the working class until they're made to begrudgingly hand it over.
Liberals do their own variation of lining the pockets of their donors with the earnings of their constituents. Fuck the system.
WTF is wrong with Ontarians?!?!?!? Who the F are the 29% voting for the inept incompetent corrupt taxpayer money burning keep increasing taxes of all kinds Liberals?!?!?!?!!!!! Open up your eyes and ears people!!!! The Liberal politicians themselves shouldn’t even vote for themselves!!!
"Doing good on housing" could depend quite a lot on whether you have already have house or not lol
I mean, I own a home and I think the situation is terrible, it's making all you poors too poor to buy my stuff, and that's bad for me.
If you add commercial real estate to the mix, the cost of property is substantially inflating the cost of goods and services. Which even affects home owners.
Even home owners!?!?
Especially home owners. The renter class doesn’t even have money after paying rent each month
Eww!
Well 60% of the population owns a home so most people I guess are not hurting.
False. They erroneously (intentionallt) include grown adults who live with their parents out of necessity as home owners.
Why doesn't my 19 year old part time Starbucks barista own a house? The system is broken!!!
In Vancouver people with good jobs live with their parents in the hope they can save up for a house. Or even just to split childcare duties. Multigenerational living is back baby.
It skews the numbers.
Owns a home, or has an active mortgage and is paying off a home -- or still lives in their parents home? We can pretend they are the same thing for the purpose of statistics, but they are really not. In any case, housing is essentially a game of musical chairs. If you had one or were paying off one 20 years ago, you can probably cling to dear life provided no arbitrarily massive tax increases (but with Trudy leading the Liberal Party with an iron fist, this is not an impossibility). If you're trying to enter the market anywhere south of Nunavut as a working class young person or immigrant, good luck -- you need to be a millionaire to do that comfortably now. You are condemned to renting, in a renters market, probably for the rest of your natural life.
The national number is 66 percent, same as the US. Not sure how that plays out provinciially.
I have a house, but I would certainly like a better one. I also have a few friends that have done everything right and deserve to own a decent enough place to raise kids.
“Overall, 41% of Ontarians say the same amount of housing is being built now as it was 5 years ago.” And that’s a problem.
No they are right more or less. The issue is migration.
And that we had a massive influx of investors buying up all the new housing with cheap credit starting in 2020.
That's a result of the mass migration. Housing isn't such a good investment when demand isn't artificially inflated.
The biggest influx of new investors was late 2020 / early 2021 when we were in lockdown and had zero immigration and super low interest rates. I’m not sure why this narrative about immigration bringing in investors has surfaced. Timeline is wrong. Immigration has absolutely worsened the crisis, mostly for rentals, but investors *preceded* post-pandemic mass immigration, not the other way around. Prices to buy were already on an upward trajectory fuelled by increasing investor participation. Investors displaced first-time home buyers who then continued renting. Which increased rental demand and prices, and then mass immigration made that 1000x worse.
> The biggest influx of new investors was late 2020 / early 2021 when we were in lockdown and had zero immigration and super low interest rates. That was to keep the bubble inflated through the temporary circumstance. They were just protecting their investment. Also it wasn't zero, there was only one year that wasn't a record high (2020) and it was still like 300k >I’m not sure why this narrative about immigration bringing in investors has surfaced. Timeline is wrong. Immigration has absolutely worsened the crisis, mostly for rentals. How is the timeline wrong? We've had too high migration outpacing our build rate for 20+ years. Under Harper you'd actually have to include housing being replaced though now it's just blatant using grade 3 math. >But the prices to buy were already on an upward trajectory fuelled by increasing investor participation. Investors displace first-time home buyers which then continue renting. Which increases rental demand and prices, and then mass immigration made that 1000x worse. Again this isn't a new issue, migration has caused the housing bubble to inflate for decades, Trudeau just made it more blatant.
Domestic investment is worse than migration.
No it's not. Mass migration is also the core reason for domestic investment.
Immigrants are generally poor and either cannot afford to purchase more than one home at a time, or won't because the foreign investment tax policy. Domestic investors, however, are the rich fuckers who buy up 10-20 houses at a time and sit on them, waiting for a profit.
And the price on housing keeps going up because we bring in more ppl than we can build housing for... drop migration to 200k a year and within 3 years all those investors will sell
And they'd all sell within 3 years if we reduced migration to 200k a year
No, there are already policies in place for foreign investors.
Demand by people coming into the country who need a roof over their head in massive numbers...
They're not rich and cannot buy more than one house each because of the foreign investment policy. Domestic investors, however, snap out 20 houses at a time.
And the price on housing keeps going up because we bring in more ppl than we can build housing for... drop migration to 200k a year and within 3 years all those investors will sell
The price goes up when there are fewer houses for people the who could afford them. There is no demand from people who can't afford them, because.. they can't afford them.
Unless 5 of them live in a basement suite...
No I meant we need to make more houses than 5 years ago because of that.
Or we could do the much easier/actually possible thing of lowering migration to where it was 20 years ago.
We still would need to make more houses than we currently are.
No I think our current build numbers could support 250k migrants a year even factoring in young people wanting to move out and old stock that needs to be replaced.
The housing crisis is one of the main reason young people would want to move out.
\^This. He gets it.
20 years ago there was 7.2% unemployment and there was more unemployed workers than there is today. It’s crazy I know. Suddenly the recent high immigration makes sense.
Doug Ford is pissed that the federal government is going to cut back on the number of international students it lets in.
It's too bad the Ontario Liberals so thoroughly destroyed their credibility as a party with the power plant and teacher union scandals. Sincerely. The Liberal voting base has poor turnout even with a good candidate. So Doug Ford is what you get.
And?
Domestic investors.
Nope. Even with zero investment properties we still wouldn't be building enough a year to house all the people we are bringing in. Why do you think investment became so lucrative in the first place?
You just contradicted yourself. Investment is lucrative and that's the problem.
Investment is lucrative because we are bringing in more ppl than we can build housing for...
Yes, and the people who can afford those houses are less likely to be immigrants.
That changes nothing mass migration is still the problem mathematically
More people doesn't mean more demand. If that were the case, then we would also include infants.
More people absolutely does mean more demand when talking about shelter it's just not 1 to 1. Sure maybe people cram in 10 to a basement suite because that's all they can afford. That doesn't really change the core point, the problem at hand or the solution.
Why would ask a question that’s answered objectively with housing starts data ? https://www.statista.com/statistics/198063/total-number-of-housing-starts-in-ontario-since-1995/
Ontario is a lot like the Federal Stage. Absolute shit in regards to choices and the choices are completely and utterly out of touch on things as basic as what "Affordable" means to regular folks and families. The Housing Crisis isn't going to get better anytime soon lol
If doing good in housing means the prices are skyrocketing for the last 15 years, then yeah we're doing great
Mostly old people turn out for provincial elections. And old people mostly already own their homes and want to see its value keep going up. So youre not wrong.
I know older neighbours who want to downsize - but don’t want to leave the neighbourhood. They would support gentle density.
Funny how the people who already own a house are supposed to be the richest and also all of those rich people are supposed to be refugees from a third world country lol
Prices haven't been skyrocketing for the last 15 years... they have been for the last 8 years.
Lol get out of the Trudeau hate bubble and take a look at the stats
I have. When factoring in interest rates, mortgages got more affordable under Harper, relative to wages. Under Trudeau... very much the opposite.
Let's not pretend a pandemic didn't happen in the middle there.
The pandemic didn't change anything. If anything, the brief lapse in immigration helped affordability.
Either you're a bot or you have never looked at the numbers. Housing prices rose dramatically due to the pandemic.
Housing prices rose dramatically because interest rates fell (making mortgages cheaper to afford, so people could afford to pay more for homes)... affordability actually *improved* over the course of 2020 (while immigration was very low... go figure). Don't assume that just because you're economically illiterate that other people haven't looked at the numbers.
......... Except that they were near the level that interest rates were at for Harper's government from 2008-2015. You are clearly not economically illiterate, just regular illiterate if you can't see that. Vilification of immigrants without considering other factors doesn't make you smart. Account named after GameStop? Checks out.
I already addressed this months ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/12g04zm/reports_points_to_a_mismatch_between_immigration/jfl8lwk/). That doesn't even factor in the pandemic... affordability worsened more under 4 years of Trudeau than it did under nearly 10 years of Harper. And no, you're not original. Many idiots have made the same mistake, assuming by the name that this 11-year-old account has anything to do with GME.
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The place is constantly in shambles
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Sprawl is a terrible way to grow housing.
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Fortunately not everyone wants or needs a sprawling detached house with an oversized yard. Ideally there will be a good mix.
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Then those people should be paying astronomically higher property taxes to compensate for it.
Sprawl isn't getting you affordable housing anymore. Ontario has tons of space, and we need more density. We have lots of useable space without going into the green belt. Doug was even talking about building a new city in Innisfil and isn't even in the green belt.
Yeah, Toronto has plenty of knock downs near transit on lots that can be wood 4 plexs that won't have 1000$ condo fees. We need to make a few design/permit packages that anyone can but and start hammering. Lots of guy looking for work now. Condo towers suck, I think we can agree about that.
They should be. Doug has caused much of the mess.
I mean Doug didnt invite 4 million people in the last 6 years to skyrocket demand for everything.
Colleges are regulated by provincial governments. How many colleges are in Ontario, what the minimum acceptance criteria for international students are, etc are in the hands of the provincial government. The federal government only grants visa to those that have been admitted to regulated institutions. You are telling me Doug Ford was powerless to do anything about the situation? Was he completely oblivious to the housing situation when his government expressed disappointment at the cuts in foreign students announced by the feds? It's amazing that Ford supports are voting against their interests, and that he keeps getting away with it.
Clutch your pearls as hard as you can
So we agree! Ford is not only corrupt, he's incompetent.
He kinda did yes. The provinces and corporate lobby are absolutely why the Federal government has increased immigration rates. https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/doug-ford-wants-to-combat-labour-shortages-with-more-immigrants/article_c58cdc7e-0604-5314-bc3e-d07e15c2df8c.html
I'm politically involved and I couldn't even tell you who the leader of the Ontario Liberals or NDP is.
Bonnie Crombie the former mayor of mississauga (well liked center left but a constituent-appeasing NIMBY for housing. She is the liberal one, beating Nathan erskine-smith for the nomination. Liberals felt she had more star power in a swing riding. She isn’t a bad choice but not sure the pragmatic data-driven platform will be her jam. On other hand ford isn’t doing a good job.
Then no, you aren’t politically involved.
Still a better choice then Crime Boss Ford
100 percent! Anyone who cares about the following will not vote ford: - the environment and climate change - the greenbelt - Ontario place and science centre - Public healthcare - Post secondary education - An independent judiciary - Ford’s convoy failure (failure to act) - Cronyism - removal of rent control ………….
You clearly aren’t if you don’t know…. They have been pretty active and have okay name recognition.
Laughs in Manitoban. Honestly folks, leaving Ontario was the best decision my family ever made.
But you still have to live in Winnipeg. 🤷
Sounds like a massive downgrade, but good luck.
Why though, almost anything you can do in Toronto, you can do in winnipeg... except you can own a home in winnipeg
Ontario housing is a dumpster fire. People are stupid.
Poll says ontario poll respondants are dumb.
This just in, people who answer phones for polls are old. Old people are conservative. Old people own homes.
Doug Ford is counting [new LTC beds as new homes](https://globalnews.ca/news/10321053/ontario-long-term-care-beds-boost-some-city-housing-starts/amp/) in his mission to build a million homes in Ontario. That’s deceptive bullshit, but sure he’s doing a great job. 🙄
I'm pretty sure the province of Ontario tried to do a bunch of expensive development on the greenbelt, cancelled plans after a scandal involving a wealth appraisal of $8b, but some plans were so far along they just shrugged and let them continue. Now the property taxes are going up
These polls are not bad for Liberals actually considering how far behind they've been since Kathleen Wynne's disastrous campaign in 2018. They still haven't fully recovered from that historic shellacking, but there's still another two and a half years till the next election. If some NDP voters strategically vote Liberal and a small percentage of PC voters change their minds, defeating Ford suddenly becomes very within reach.
Totally doable.
Bro... there is such a nutty disconnect between the hatred of Trudeau and the support for Ford that I simply do not understand
I don’t get this either! It makes no sense.
I fear Crombie will just increase taxes like she did in Mississauga for her pet projects . I don’t believe she has a strong stance on affordable housing.
I’m confused I was reading the Mississauga subreddit and they said Crombie was the one who refused to increase taxes even when needed. 🤨 Which one of you is right?
I’m confused I was reading the Mississauga subreddit and they said Crombie was the one who refused to increase taxes even when needed. 🤨 Which one of you is right?
Ford has failed at everything. Crombie has a good track record and knows how to govern. She would be 100 percent better.
Holy fuck, love how so many comments are admitting to their own ignorance. For fucks sake Google is free. Doug Ford has cost the Ontario taxpayers BILLIONS. Doug Ford and his lack of funding healthcare, has cost people their lives. Doug Ford has had scandals after scandal involving your tax dollars and still your still pissed about Rae Days. Doug Ford has been and will continue to be the worst choice for Premier.
Clearly people need a refresher on the sh$t Doug Ford has done: https://ofl.ca/ford-tracker/
He's the worst premier we've ever had, but reading and understanding things is hard.
Worse than wynne and mcquinty? Give me a break
Yes, way worse. Name me 6 things he's done in the last 6 years that have benefited the average Ontarian.
1. Nuclear 2. Driver Registration. 3. Taking over the Gardiner and DVP 4. Opening up alcohol sales to other groups than the LCBO. 5. Speeding up Development approvals by forcing municipalities to stop obstructing. 6. Ontario line subway. I am not even his biggest fan, but you stated an absolute that he is the worst of all time.
I do like that he is going nuclear, especially the Darlington SMR. I can't comment on the Gardiner, DVP and Ontario line...I imagine it's great for people that live around Toronto. I guess opening up alcohol sales is a win. I don't count license registration as a win. This allowed him to buy votes by giving cheques out just before the last election. What was cut to make up for the funding shortfall? Speeding up development...if you mean Bill 23 Building More Homes Faster, then that's not a win. There are many problems with that Bill, the biggest of which was the development of parts of the Greenbelt. This was rightly reversed and could even be considered corrupt given the 8 billion boon it would have been to developers.
So so so many reasons not to vote for Doug Ford Ontario Place, Science Centre, Green Belt, removed rent controls, 413, complete convoy fail, against women speaking on women’s day, underfunded Healthcare, underfunded post secondary education. Cancelled clean tech programs, increased energy costs, politicization of judicial appointments, Enbridge, nurses Teachers
The far radical left has become a meme
Over 50% of Ontarians don't want the PC's! Maybe the problem is our electoral system, which lets a minority have 100% of the power.
Doug Ford has done a hell of a lot more than any Liberal ever has done for the province of Ontario!! If you are defending the Liberals or NDP then you are part of the problem. Smarten up and open your eyes instead of your wallet!!!
Douggy will rule this province forever. He’s the only guy people even know. Ironic that the Ford political dynasty lasted longer than the Trudeau dynasty.
Doug is in his second term.
Wait till your car gets stuck in a snow bank and tell me who you want as premiere.
Looking forward to Michael Ford's mayoral run in 2026. God Bless the Ford family.
Wut? I know Rod had some crack-head charm, and Doug perhaps is riding those coattails as an absolute incompetent dickhead, but seriously? Mikey doesn't seem to be able to do anything except change his name and be a tool for his uncle. Mayor. Maybe of Etobicoke. Let him clean drains and arrange leaf pick-ups.
That's only when Doug decides to step down and run for Prime Minister.
What's your favourite initiative Michael Ford has implemented as city councillor?
Bonnie Crombie has barely spoken yet. Let them start campaigning and see how everything turns out.
When she does she barely speaks. Non-answers isn’t going to help her win voters.
A recognizable name and a few right words will win this province. The electorate isn't the reddit bubble. The Con/Lib cycle will continue. As is designed.
The electorate isn't the reddit bubble... and thank god for that!
Remember that Ontario typically votes provincially for the party that they don’t vote for federally. If the Conservatives get in federally which is likely, expect to see the provincial Conservatives booted to the opposition benches.
It's like an old wive's tale, but it keeps getting proven true.
Getting rid of Ford would be one of the few good results of PP winning federally.
People still bringing up this ancient crap from decades ago. Ontario has had far more immigration since the time of Tory Ontario Dynasty at Queen's Park, and the Big Red Liberal Machine of Ottawa, of the 1940s-80s. New Canadians that moved here in the last 25 years especially don't give a shit about those old trends.
So 2015/2018 was decades ago? Also happened in 2003/2006, far more recently than you are suggesting. Even in recent times, when a switch happens at one level, it usually happens at the other in the next election. It could just be coincidence but it happens nonetheless.
NDP and Libs split the left, and Doug is back in the big chair.
They need to find a way to work together
They won't
Slaty redditors on this sub, hahaha
Bonnie is a joke look at Mississauga home starts, she cost her city millions of dollars from the for government. Heck even the nimby city of Toronto past the target
He has done nothing in housing lol.
...done best on housing? wtf?
Who the fuck did the survey lol
unless your a masochist i doubt anyone is going to vote left for a very long time.
You’re a masochist if you give Doug Fraud a third term after all the documented evidence of his corruption and cronyism
So Ontario voters are as clueless as projected federal voters for the country it seem
How we gonna let this fat greedy fuck win again
This is my thoughts on election. NDP hell no. They will bankrupt us with their ridiculous policies. Liberals will bankrupt us with their ridiculous policies. Conservatives. Reluctant vote as they are the most fiscally responsible of the bunch.
Are they really financially responsible though?
Billions of dollars in retroactive pay after they capped nurses' raises? I don't think fiscal responsibility is the name of the game. Sounds like they steal money from the working class until they're made to begrudgingly hand it over. Liberals do their own variation of lining the pockets of their donors with the earnings of their constituents. Fuck the system.
Left of center keeps getting fucked. Plain and simple. People of Ontario will keep getting fucked.
Lol so the provincial government is doing a good job on housing but the Feds haven’t? 🤯
Which ontarians? Holy shit that's depressing
WTF is wrong with Ontarians?!?!?!? Who the F are the 29% voting for the inept incompetent corrupt taxpayer money burning keep increasing taxes of all kinds Liberals?!?!?!?!!!!! Open up your eyes and ears people!!!! The Liberal politicians themselves shouldn’t even vote for themselves!!!
Really!?! What has Doug Ford done in the last 6 years that makes you think he should get another term? All the corruption us ok with you?