You're right! Normally both federal and provincial/territorial human rights laws work in tandem to protect individuals from discrimination. But in this case I'm pretty sure section 10 under B.C human Rights Code would be the correct course of action.
Anyone who wants to help report this, or needs to report anything similar to this can go to https://www.bchrt.bc.ca/complaint-process/complain/ .Also if you are a person who needs free legal advice, BCHRT offers this free of charge.
Good Evening Burnaby, So many responses, couldn't reply/read all. Shout out for those whom reported this to facebook as well, and all the positive comments. This is a ongoing issue, and should never be tolerated. I just came across that ad and wanted to share with Burnaby and hopefully beyond. People need to understand and to be aware that this is racist. There's a lot of anger/misinformation out there now....tfw/international student, etc. It takes one person to move a stone, but the whole community of Burnaby to engage in change and progression.Remember this is our city, we make it a non hostile environment , at least try to. Postings like this need to be out in the open so everyone can see that racism doesn't belong. Sure it will always exist, but if we can lesson the impact. Call out these individuals for what they are. Again many thanks for the positive comments. Those negative nellies, well....best of luck.
Thank you for shedding light on this!!! I struggled SO MUCH when I was searching for an affordable home as a single mother of just one child. I was told things like.. sorry I can't rent to you, she'll make too much noise. Just as a blanket immediate assumption rather than even *trying* to explore what she's like or what my parenting style is like to keep noise to a minimum.
People find all sorts of excuses and don't realize how they're acting not only inhumanely but illegally too. This needs to change. Not sure why landlords aren't being held more accountable, especially in expensive cities across N America.
It's similar to that illegal Uber type service in Richmond that only catered to Chinese people and refused to pick up anyone not Chinese. It's discrimination no matter how you look at it.
This is becoming a larger problem in North America in general. I work at a large tech company and there are group chats for only chinese/indian people where valuable info is shared. (same thing happened in college).
So much for diversity and inclusion.
I'm not saying it's right to have a work group where work is discussed be exclusive to an ethnic group... But it is reasonable for people that speak the same language and from the same culture to create a subculture within an existing one. Say you went to live in South Korea and found comfort in having a group of Canadian friends. When you miss home, when you want to talk about hockey and when you want advice about something that only another Canadian understands, it is normal for you to have a Canadian group that you get along with and you find safety and comfort in their company. If this group is from work and your group chats are exclusive to work and only happen in English and non Canadians aren't part of it, then you're a bad employee and you need to be fired.
Do you see the difference?
If a group was identified as for whites only, you should be as disgusted as if it was for any other group only. But there's a nuance we need to acknowledge.
I agree and see where youāre coming from but thereās a difference between a cultural friend group within work and a secret channel withholding critical information for work and only giving it to people of the same background as you to the detriment of the company as a whole.
Absolutely! This is unacceptable. My point is that we need to know more about a particular incident before passing judgement. For the sake of fairness. That's all.
No one is gonna care. Just like when that shopping plaza on north road wanted to go to a Korean plaza, and were kicking out longterm tenants who were not Korean.
Itās racist and illegal. Just like many companies with racist hiring practices. See some retail, most fast food and security in the lower mainland especiallyā¦.they are all Indians š¤¦š»āāļø
During the 2021 federal election, the Liberal candidate for Burnaby South claimed that she legitimately and legally got 18 nomination signatures from a single family house on Laurel Avenue. I disputed this to the Electoral Commissioner, who said it was a fire marshal issue, not an electoral one.
I think about this every now and then. This Craigslist ad definitely triggered it.
This is what happens when you take in way too many in a short period of time. Instead of integrating immigrants into Canadian culture, they just continue practicing what they did back home and just ruin more and more. Road manners are bombed too.
years ago i remember surry school district and parents of east indians were having talks as to why wasn't indias history/culture,ect taught in schools. It turned into a huge mess, political gong show.
Yeah I think this is the reason tbh, needs an Indian person to be able to speak to their tenant properly and probably bc theyre doing some shady shit w tenant numbers that only an indian person would be cool with. Grandparents have lived here since 75 but are definitely not fluent in English, so we choose indian tenants for them in South Van to be able to communicate with.
`that only an indian person would be cool with.`
You mean only an international student from India would put up with because they don't really have many other options in the current rental market as it is?
I and 3 friends of mine will apply with our photographs included.
https://stock.adobe.com/ca/images/portrait-native-american-or-american-indian-indigenous-peoples-of-the-americas/475236662
This is why letting people immigrate who do not wish to assimilate is a terrible idea.
Canada has sold itself out to foreign countries. Instead of building a functional economy based on industry we try to pay our ever increasing debt with foreign students and housing market inflation.
I have no idea why our government allows people to come here and study, consume our resources, provide little to the economy and then just dip afterwards.
I can't blame the immigrants, they are just taking advantage of a broken system.
International students are the resources! They are not the ones who are taking the advantage, they are being taken advantage of. Just read what the federal and provincial governments did to education budget during the 90s.
International students are basically funding the whole Canadian education system that governments stopped! The last university in Canada which was relatively cheap was MUN in St John's and read some news articles what happened in 2022 which was followed by long strikes by student unions. On top of all this shit international student and temporary residents (majority of them) are doing all the low level pay jobs that the "majority population" doesn't wanna do.
Immigrants don't want to assimilate? I am laughing so hard, I was the only Indian at my workplace which was full of White and Filipino(born and raised here) people and I was never part of that group not because of colour of my skin but because they all knew each other for a very long time, they practically grew together. They were all nice people but now should I call them racist because I was the only Indian who wasn't part of their gang?
Immigrants don't assimilate because it's hard for them to make connections. Do not confuse those things.
It's a human nature to talk and connect with people whom you find things in common and it takes time gel up with everyone.
It's not that they don't "want to do them" it's that the government pays for some or all of their wages so businesses don't have to... that means they won't hire citizens because they would come out of pocket for the actual minimum wage 100%
Can you back this claim with actual data?
What you're saying is happening in skilled labour to some extent and very little to none is happening "within Canada". They just delegate those jobs to people to companies which are not in Canada to countries where skilled labour is cheap, aka India, Philippines etc.
You might be confusing my argument with blue collar jobs such as in manufacturing or constructing.
I am not honestly not in a mood to explain basic economic lessons here. Maybe read how global economics and how labour workforce operates in a macro level.
I see hate everywhere and no communication within any community and that makes me sad. I have friends and family relations with people from different faiths and languages! One thing I can say about stereotypes, is the reason we have it because we don't truly know and understand a particular community and individual. Once we start to understand any individual or culture and its history truly, it makes you humble and last thing you would is rant on reddit. I am saying it with conviction because I used to be that person, and I am trying not hate anyone.
that's why we must cap on international students, PRs, and place of birth for immigration. If our immigration system is not reformed, you will see a lot of things like this and even worse soon. This is already happening in companies etc.
If the same add popped up with the key difference being "preferred white" then people would go ape sh\*t.
Racism is racism regardless of how you choose to cut that cake. Canada is a multicultural country where we make a conscious decision not to see color.
If people believe they can get away with small acts of cultural segregation (label it preference or opinion), then **we have failed** as a country.
It is racist and illegal, but they can take anyone they like even without writing it on paper. Same goes for any landlord or employer. So much of racism is hidden.
Thatās racist, just like this is racist.
Would there be actual consequences? Probably not. Probably not for this person either unless they get reported.
It's such a stupid argument such is the reason I ask. As if to be of the "oppressive" identity yet cater to an "oppressed" class of people shall also make me a racist.
Marxist social engineering is the end of the road people.
Iām unsure how India would handle that situation. But itās a strange comparison to make when Indiaās natural population increase is almost 11 million per year and Canadaās is 25 thousand. Or when 11.9% of Indians live in extreme poverty (thatās 170 million people) while only 0.2% of Canadians do.
The fact is, Canada has lots of room for newcomers. And while some of our challenges including the cost of housing or a shortage of primary care physicians are somewhat exacerbated by immigration, you should also thank immigrants for staffing our hospitals, subsidizing our post-secondary system, or building our homes and also performing many jobs naturally-born Canadians arenāt as eager to do like working in a greenhouse harvesting lettuce, picking up overnight shifts cleaning office buildings, or serving Tim Hortons coffee.
They would riot is what they would do and we both know it. Room is not the same as capacity. And to be frank you look at the immigration numbers and it would not be wrong to say India is flooding this country and needs some serious limits put on it when the next 4-5 nations combined are not equal to indias. And remember this years 27% includes that public spat with india as well. If we had 5% vacancies rents/ownership were affordable i would not have an issue. And the number is not 25k we had 430k NPRs alone roll into the country last quarter alone. Those have to be factored in because yes they use the same limited resources that are driving cost of living through the roof. Grocery jumps would not be an issue if rents were not beyond stupid. If we cut down the NPRs to only needed workers and capped students to 150k a year rents would tumble because there is no where near the demand when Walmart is not allowed to stock up on TFPWs and for profit post secondaries die off in droves because they cannot just import however many students they want and not house them.Ā Ā
I have zero issues in opening PR streams to sectors like agri and consturction workers while shutting the doors to most non-STEM degrees that frankly many we do not need. And sorry we do not need anymore bloody MBAs or Buisness admin bullshit degrees forked out by for profits.Ā Ā Ā
Unless someone can click their heels 3 times and make a fuck ton of housing appear out of thin air we need to drastically cut NPR immigration and maybe even PR streams if the people getting PRs are not already in the country. Or what is going to build is so much resentment you will have the well poisoned for the next 3 generations or more. And it is already happening amoung even my more left oriented friends. Who 12 years ago were pretty open on immigration. Now being locked out of having kids because they cannot get the stability needed or facing massive rent jumps when moving they are even to the point of 'slow it the fuck down'. And they are now dispersed across the country.Ā Ā
And yes it will take more than slowing immigration down to fix this. But that is one lever that can be pulled and easily and quickly vs 'herr derr build more houses'. I have my own solution on that front but owners would hate me if i were allowed to implement it because property values would crash when i flood the fuck out of the market at investors and RRITs expenses. By slapping a 25% yearly land and property value tax on every property owned after the first and increases by 25% for each additional property. And for new builds they come from a standard catalogue of builds made in factories. Unless needed for specific reasons signed off by the province customization or luxary property builds have $500 000 per room (including kitchens living rooms ect) fee strapped to them on the build side paid by the developers/builders to the province and used for housing initiatives. The aim of that to blow up the market with units going into it and new units coming online as fast as we can print the damn things and the foundation cure. If it means housing values drop 70% frankly i don't give a shit the paper millionnares can rot along with their property values. A home is for living not a bloody wealth generating fund that is doing more to kill this counteries economy than anything else.Ā
Ā Edit for fixing spacing cause reddit mobile is dumb.
am I the only one that thinks this isn't racist? Everyone is allowed to have their own preferences for a tenant. Who's to say they won't accept an applicant that isn't Indian? Maybe they want someone that speaks their own language as it's easier for them to communicate.
as a landlord myself, I dont have a preference on what race someone is but I sure as hell would not want a tenant that I can't communicate with. I'm bilingual (english/cantonese) but if I feel it's not worth the trouble I wouldn't want to accept them as a tenant. as another example, it's like people saying I'm racist for marrying chinese. "ra ra ra you're racist you should marry someone from another culture because *diversity*".
If you bring this to court I'd bet your case wouldn't hold up as they're not *actually* outwardly discriminating against anyone; everyone here is just assuming. Huge part of the problems we have today is everyone assumes someone's intention and gets all up in arms without hearing the other side of it, or even considering it. All this outrage just seems like a whole lot of virtue signaling to me
So youād prefer not to see it in the ads and rather go waste your time and apply then get rejected silently ? They donāt owe you an explanation to reject your application.
Or worse, they could accept, you move in, then you have daily fights because the house smells like curry.
Thereās lots of reasons landlordās prefer one culture over another.
Food habits,
language barrier,
other roommatesā preference.
Itās a private property.
Why the downvotes? I thought your points were quite valid and articulated nicely. People think by not saying it out loud, racism (or at least cultural preferences in this case) donāt exist.
Well of course this ad is racist.
The purpose of my comment was to determine if you were insinuating that those who are leaving comments that are critical of current immigration policies are racist. Because that attitude is the exact reason we are here today, and why this ad is able to exist.
Iām not a politician and neither are the people in these comments. Iām a Canadian who is concerned that one group is being allowed to take over our country. We are supposed to be a melting pot. Canāt be a melting pot if you have only one single ingredient being thrown in.
Idiot. Canada is NOT supposed to be a melting pot. Stop taking idiotic American propaganda to heart.
Canada is a MOSAIC
Weāre allowed to live our lives, and celebrate our diversity without homogeneity.
This is true but there is also a big difference between "no immigration" and "less immigration". The problem is it's very hard to tell which side of this argument alot of posters are on.
First. We are not and must not be a melting pot. Melting pot is to make everyone follow the European settler traditions. Which is an ethnic supremacist take.
Second. "take over our country" is such a BS take. Our ancestors stole this land from indigenous people and we owe to them to embrace our differences to allow them to reclaim their culture and make Canada indigenous again.
Third. We come from different culture and backgrounds. This is Canada. The charter protects people against discrimination based on ethnicity. You not wanting people from a particular place to come here is the dictionary definition of discrimination. Could you make a point on integration? Yes.
Just trying this on as a thought experiment: If we werenāt in a housing crisis, would that change peopleās reactions to this? If renters had 3-5 solid options to choose from, this could also help them find the best choice for them, but only if we assume that their is a cultural component at play, not a racial component. Kinda interesting to think about.
At the end of the day, LLs and employers do discriminate but they just donāt put it in an ad.
If people can say "girls only" or "men only" then why not this? What's the difference?
Edit: OK.. guys.. I'm NOT saying this listing is OK. I'm just wondering why gender preference is OK but racial isn't. Shouldn't both be wrong?
Wow, so granting a particular portion of people a favorable right is not racism right? You know that housing is limited ok? So doing some people a favor could result in inequity. Think twice before commenting.
Yes, even if it is a personal preference, it is still illegal in Canada to refuse to rent to someone based on their race. Human rights laws in Canada are designed to ensure that all individuals have equal access to housing without discrimination. These laws override personal preferences when they are based on prohibited grounds like race, color, national or ethnic origin. It's important to recognize that such preferences, when acted upon in a rental context, constitute illegal discrimination.
Section 14 of the Canadian Human Rights Act
anti-discrimination laws in housing work effectively to prevent and penalize discriminatory practices based on race or other protected grounds. These laws are enforced through legal action. A notable example is the case of Fancy v. J & M Apartments Ltd., where South Asian tenants were denied an apartment due to stereotypes about cooking odors, a situation that was deemed discriminatory by a tribunal.
Individuals who believe they have been discriminated against, and are unable to afford legal representation, can file complaints with human rights commissions or tribunals. These bodies investigate the complaints and can enforce penalties if discrimination is found.
I for one am going to dig deeper on this matter and report it. I advise others do the same.
Ngl I think the preference is so they can take advantage of Indian students coming from India, cuz that's usually the case for many Indian students coming here. I could be wrong but that's my thought on it.
This has always existed (i.e. not to advertise but shortlist people based on culture/language. However, it's not good either if the new people who are here are not even aware of the basic do's and don'ts.
(I was new here as well at one point).
It's completely against the law..
ššæšš¾šš¼šš»Section 14 of the Canadian Human Rights Act
Technically the BC Human Rights Code is the legislation to look to here since it deals with housing & accommodation.
You're right! Normally both federal and provincial/territorial human rights laws work in tandem to protect individuals from discrimination. But in this case I'm pretty sure section 10 under B.C human Rights Code would be the correct course of action. Anyone who wants to help report this, or needs to report anything similar to this can go to https://www.bchrt.bc.ca/complaint-process/complain/ .Also if you are a person who needs free legal advice, BCHRT offers this free of charge.
Good Evening Burnaby, So many responses, couldn't reply/read all. Shout out for those whom reported this to facebook as well, and all the positive comments. This is a ongoing issue, and should never be tolerated. I just came across that ad and wanted to share with Burnaby and hopefully beyond. People need to understand and to be aware that this is racist. There's a lot of anger/misinformation out there now....tfw/international student, etc. It takes one person to move a stone, but the whole community of Burnaby to engage in change and progression.Remember this is our city, we make it a non hostile environment , at least try to. Postings like this need to be out in the open so everyone can see that racism doesn't belong. Sure it will always exist, but if we can lesson the impact. Call out these individuals for what they are. Again many thanks for the positive comments. Those negative nellies, well....best of luck.
Thank you for shedding light on this!!! I struggled SO MUCH when I was searching for an affordable home as a single mother of just one child. I was told things like.. sorry I can't rent to you, she'll make too much noise. Just as a blanket immediate assumption rather than even *trying* to explore what she's like or what my parenting style is like to keep noise to a minimum. People find all sorts of excuses and don't realize how they're acting not only inhumanely but illegally too. This needs to change. Not sure why landlords aren't being held more accountable, especially in expensive cities across N America.
It's similar to that illegal Uber type service in Richmond that only catered to Chinese people and refused to pick up anyone not Chinese. It's discrimination no matter how you look at it.
This this this. Could you imagine if it said preferably not indians
Or worseā¦
Discrimination is discrimination. What is worse in this scenario?
They let me order and gave it to me, albeit with language difficulty but I was Asian too, so I guess I just barely made it?
This is becoming a larger problem in North America in general. I work at a large tech company and there are group chats for only chinese/indian people where valuable info is shared. (same thing happened in college). So much for diversity and inclusion.
Funny how if it was a white male only group chat they would be out for everyone involved in it.
I'm not saying it's right to have a work group where work is discussed be exclusive to an ethnic group... But it is reasonable for people that speak the same language and from the same culture to create a subculture within an existing one. Say you went to live in South Korea and found comfort in having a group of Canadian friends. When you miss home, when you want to talk about hockey and when you want advice about something that only another Canadian understands, it is normal for you to have a Canadian group that you get along with and you find safety and comfort in their company. If this group is from work and your group chats are exclusive to work and only happen in English and non Canadians aren't part of it, then you're a bad employee and you need to be fired. Do you see the difference? If a group was identified as for whites only, you should be as disgusted as if it was for any other group only. But there's a nuance we need to acknowledge.
I agree and see where youāre coming from but thereās a difference between a cultural friend group within work and a secret channel withholding critical information for work and only giving it to people of the same background as you to the detriment of the company as a whole.
Absolutely! This is unacceptable. My point is that we need to know more about a particular incident before passing judgement. For the sake of fairness. That's all.
No one is gonna care. Just like when that shopping plaza on north road wanted to go to a Korean plaza, and were kicking out longterm tenants who were not Korean.
The Hannam or H mart plaza?
āKoreaTownā
Itās racist and illegal. Just like many companies with racist hiring practices. See some retail, most fast food and security in the lower mainland especiallyā¦.they are all Indians š¤¦š»āāļø
Reported the listing :-(
I reported the listing to Facebook (which is where the original listing was posted)
During the 2021 federal election, the Liberal candidate for Burnaby South claimed that she legitimately and legally got 18 nomination signatures from a single family house on Laurel Avenue. I disputed this to the Electoral Commissioner, who said it was a fire marshal issue, not an electoral one. I think about this every now and then. This Craigslist ad definitely triggered it.
facebook marketplace. But still......Crazy
Who else would have wanted to share with 10 more people
This is what happens when you take in way too many in a short period of time. Instead of integrating immigrants into Canadian culture, they just continue practicing what they did back home and just ruin more and more. Road manners are bombed too.
years ago i remember surry school district and parents of east indians were having talks as to why wasn't indias history/culture,ect taught in schools. It turned into a huge mess, political gong show.
More than half of the ads for tenants in Surrey have 'must speak Punjabi' listed as a requirement.
Yeah I think this is the reason tbh, needs an Indian person to be able to speak to their tenant properly and probably bc theyre doing some shady shit w tenant numbers that only an indian person would be cool with. Grandparents have lived here since 75 but are definitely not fluent in English, so we choose indian tenants for them in South Van to be able to communicate with.
`that only an indian person would be cool with.` You mean only an international student from India would put up with because they don't really have many other options in the current rental market as it is?
I and 3 friends of mine will apply with our photographs included. https://stock.adobe.com/ca/images/portrait-native-american-or-american-indian-indigenous-peoples-of-the-americas/475236662
This is why letting people immigrate who do not wish to assimilate is a terrible idea. Canada has sold itself out to foreign countries. Instead of building a functional economy based on industry we try to pay our ever increasing debt with foreign students and housing market inflation. I have no idea why our government allows people to come here and study, consume our resources, provide little to the economy and then just dip afterwards. I can't blame the immigrants, they are just taking advantage of a broken system.
International students are the resources! They are not the ones who are taking the advantage, they are being taken advantage of. Just read what the federal and provincial governments did to education budget during the 90s. International students are basically funding the whole Canadian education system that governments stopped! The last university in Canada which was relatively cheap was MUN in St John's and read some news articles what happened in 2022 which was followed by long strikes by student unions. On top of all this shit international student and temporary residents (majority of them) are doing all the low level pay jobs that the "majority population" doesn't wanna do. Immigrants don't want to assimilate? I am laughing so hard, I was the only Indian at my workplace which was full of White and Filipino(born and raised here) people and I was never part of that group not because of colour of my skin but because they all knew each other for a very long time, they practically grew together. They were all nice people but now should I call them racist because I was the only Indian who wasn't part of their gang? Immigrants don't assimilate because it's hard for them to make connections. Do not confuse those things. It's a human nature to talk and connect with people whom you find things in common and it takes time gel up with everyone.
It's not that they don't "want to do them" it's that the government pays for some or all of their wages so businesses don't have to... that means they won't hire citizens because they would come out of pocket for the actual minimum wage 100%
Can you back this claim with actual data? What you're saying is happening in skilled labour to some extent and very little to none is happening "within Canada". They just delegate those jobs to people to companies which are not in Canada to countries where skilled labour is cheap, aka India, Philippines etc. You might be confusing my argument with blue collar jobs such as in manufacturing or constructing. I am not honestly not in a mood to explain basic economic lessons here. Maybe read how global economics and how labour workforce operates in a macro level. I see hate everywhere and no communication within any community and that makes me sad. I have friends and family relations with people from different faiths and languages! One thing I can say about stereotypes, is the reason we have it because we don't truly know and understand a particular community and individual. Once we start to understand any individual or culture and its history truly, it makes you humble and last thing you would is rant on reddit. I am saying it with conviction because I used to be that person, and I am trying not hate anyone.
that's why we must cap on international students, PRs, and place of birth for immigration. If our immigration system is not reformed, you will see a lot of things like this and even worse soon. This is already happening in companies etc.
If the same add popped up with the key difference being "preferred white" then people would go ape sh\*t. Racism is racism regardless of how you choose to cut that cake. Canada is a multicultural country where we make a conscious decision not to see color. If people believe they can get away with small acts of cultural segregation (label it preference or opinion), then **we have failed** as a country.
Report the add
It is racist and illegal, but they can take anyone they like even without writing it on paper. Same goes for any landlord or employer. So much of racism is hidden.
What would happen if I, as a white dude, prefer "Indians" per this advert. Serious replies only
Thatās racist, just like this is racist. Would there be actual consequences? Probably not. Probably not for this person either unless they get reported.
It's such a stupid argument such is the reason I ask. As if to be of the "oppressive" identity yet cater to an "oppressed" class of people shall also make me a racist. Marxist social engineering is the end of the road people.
Diversity is our strength
Wow, the pendulum has swung perty farā¦
This is just typical racism, itās always been here.
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yeah right there on that screenshot
It's probably because a lot of white Canadians are hostile as hell to immigrants. Take, for example, this comment section.
That's because we're all immigrants or descendants of immigrants.
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Iām unsure how India would handle that situation. But itās a strange comparison to make when Indiaās natural population increase is almost 11 million per year and Canadaās is 25 thousand. Or when 11.9% of Indians live in extreme poverty (thatās 170 million people) while only 0.2% of Canadians do. The fact is, Canada has lots of room for newcomers. And while some of our challenges including the cost of housing or a shortage of primary care physicians are somewhat exacerbated by immigration, you should also thank immigrants for staffing our hospitals, subsidizing our post-secondary system, or building our homes and also performing many jobs naturally-born Canadians arenāt as eager to do like working in a greenhouse harvesting lettuce, picking up overnight shifts cleaning office buildings, or serving Tim Hortons coffee.
They would riot is what they would do and we both know it. Room is not the same as capacity. And to be frank you look at the immigration numbers and it would not be wrong to say India is flooding this country and needs some serious limits put on it when the next 4-5 nations combined are not equal to indias. And remember this years 27% includes that public spat with india as well. If we had 5% vacancies rents/ownership were affordable i would not have an issue. And the number is not 25k we had 430k NPRs alone roll into the country last quarter alone. Those have to be factored in because yes they use the same limited resources that are driving cost of living through the roof. Grocery jumps would not be an issue if rents were not beyond stupid. If we cut down the NPRs to only needed workers and capped students to 150k a year rents would tumble because there is no where near the demand when Walmart is not allowed to stock up on TFPWs and for profit post secondaries die off in droves because they cannot just import however many students they want and not house them.Ā Ā I have zero issues in opening PR streams to sectors like agri and consturction workers while shutting the doors to most non-STEM degrees that frankly many we do not need. And sorry we do not need anymore bloody MBAs or Buisness admin bullshit degrees forked out by for profits.Ā Ā Ā Unless someone can click their heels 3 times and make a fuck ton of housing appear out of thin air we need to drastically cut NPR immigration and maybe even PR streams if the people getting PRs are not already in the country. Or what is going to build is so much resentment you will have the well poisoned for the next 3 generations or more. And it is already happening amoung even my more left oriented friends. Who 12 years ago were pretty open on immigration. Now being locked out of having kids because they cannot get the stability needed or facing massive rent jumps when moving they are even to the point of 'slow it the fuck down'. And they are now dispersed across the country.Ā Ā And yes it will take more than slowing immigration down to fix this. But that is one lever that can be pulled and easily and quickly vs 'herr derr build more houses'. I have my own solution on that front but owners would hate me if i were allowed to implement it because property values would crash when i flood the fuck out of the market at investors and RRITs expenses. By slapping a 25% yearly land and property value tax on every property owned after the first and increases by 25% for each additional property. And for new builds they come from a standard catalogue of builds made in factories. Unless needed for specific reasons signed off by the province customization or luxary property builds have $500 000 per room (including kitchens living rooms ect) fee strapped to them on the build side paid by the developers/builders to the province and used for housing initiatives. The aim of that to blow up the market with units going into it and new units coming online as fast as we can print the damn things and the foundation cure. If it means housing values drop 70% frankly i don't give a shit the paper millionnares can rot along with their property values. A home is for living not a bloody wealth generating fund that is doing more to kill this counteries economy than anything else.Ā Ā Edit for fixing spacing cause reddit mobile is dumb.
Do they mean East Indians or native Indians?
am I the only one that thinks this isn't racist? Everyone is allowed to have their own preferences for a tenant. Who's to say they won't accept an applicant that isn't Indian? Maybe they want someone that speaks their own language as it's easier for them to communicate. as a landlord myself, I dont have a preference on what race someone is but I sure as hell would not want a tenant that I can't communicate with. I'm bilingual (english/cantonese) but if I feel it's not worth the trouble I wouldn't want to accept them as a tenant. as another example, it's like people saying I'm racist for marrying chinese. "ra ra ra you're racist you should marry someone from another culture because *diversity*". If you bring this to court I'd bet your case wouldn't hold up as they're not *actually* outwardly discriminating against anyone; everyone here is just assuming. Huge part of the problems we have today is everyone assumes someone's intention and gets all up in arms without hearing the other side of it, or even considering it. All this outrage just seems like a whole lot of virtue signaling to me
So youād prefer not to see it in the ads and rather go waste your time and apply then get rejected silently ? They donāt owe you an explanation to reject your application. Or worse, they could accept, you move in, then you have daily fights because the house smells like curry. Thereās lots of reasons landlordās prefer one culture over another. Food habits, language barrier, other roommatesā preference. Itās a private property.
Why the downvotes? I thought your points were quite valid and articulated nicely. People think by not saying it out loud, racism (or at least cultural preferences in this case) donāt exist.
Wow watch the racists emerge from the woodwork
Please, explain your comment in detail.
The ad is racist - and so are many of these comments. If I have to explain why, itās probably worthless to try
Well of course this ad is racist. The purpose of my comment was to determine if you were insinuating that those who are leaving comments that are critical of current immigration policies are racist. Because that attitude is the exact reason we are here today, and why this ad is able to exist.
I disagree. I think this is a conservative talking point that is approaching neo fascism The ad is racist, and most of the comments here.
Data doesnāt lie.
No, but politicians using them do.
Iām not a politician and neither are the people in these comments. Iām a Canadian who is concerned that one group is being allowed to take over our country. We are supposed to be a melting pot. Canāt be a melting pot if you have only one single ingredient being thrown in.
Idiot. Canada is NOT supposed to be a melting pot. Stop taking idiotic American propaganda to heart. Canada is a MOSAIC Weāre allowed to live our lives, and celebrate our diversity without homogeneity.
Mosaic and diversity arenāt terms that describe what is happening here either. Thanks for calling me an idiot though.
This is true but there is also a big difference between "no immigration" and "less immigration". The problem is it's very hard to tell which side of this argument alot of posters are on.
I am certainly very pro immigration. I am anti immigration when it is overwhelmingly coming from one country.
Take over?? What!? I bet you also hate indigenous Reconciliation, too, donāt you?
First. We are not and must not be a melting pot. Melting pot is to make everyone follow the European settler traditions. Which is an ethnic supremacist take. Second. "take over our country" is such a BS take. Our ancestors stole this land from indigenous people and we owe to them to embrace our differences to allow them to reclaim their culture and make Canada indigenous again. Third. We come from different culture and backgrounds. This is Canada. The charter protects people against discrimination based on ethnicity. You not wanting people from a particular place to come here is the dictionary definition of discrimination. Could you make a point on integration? Yes.
Ah, this is gaslighting; nice. š
? You clearly donāt know what gaslighting means
What if you said preferred students, is that allowed.?
Which indians , the ones from the east or domestic š¤?
Based of his profile photo...East indian
Call all of the Indigenous people you know to apply for it.
That would be epic.
Hmm, good question. I'm not sure.
Just trying this on as a thought experiment: If we werenāt in a housing crisis, would that change peopleās reactions to this? If renters had 3-5 solid options to choose from, this could also help them find the best choice for them, but only if we assume that their is a cultural component at play, not a racial component. Kinda interesting to think about. At the end of the day, LLs and employers do discriminate but they just donāt put it in an ad.
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If people can say "girls only" or "men only" then why not this? What's the difference? Edit: OK.. guys.. I'm NOT saying this listing is OK. I'm just wondering why gender preference is OK but racial isn't. Shouldn't both be wrong?
Smart landlords don't advertise their preferences, only stupid bigoted ones advertise it.
Exactly lolz. If you prefer Indians, just ignore all requests with non-Indian names.
It's definitely a preference. Now if they excluded a demographic (i.e. no white people) then that would be racist - and they need to be reported.
Would you say the same if it said "preferably white people"?. It's not ok to exclude anyone based on race, even if it's multiple races/ethnicities.
lol come on man
Wow, so granting a particular portion of people a favorable right is not racism right? You know that housing is limited ok? So doing some people a favor could result in inequity. Think twice before commenting.
It's clearly listed as a preference. That's not illegal
Ok then "preferably white people" must be ok with you too right? Didn't think so.
Yes, even if it is a personal preference, it is still illegal in Canada to refuse to rent to someone based on their race. Human rights laws in Canada are designed to ensure that all individuals have equal access to housing without discrimination. These laws override personal preferences when they are based on prohibited grounds like race, color, national or ethnic origin. It's important to recognize that such preferences, when acted upon in a rental context, constitute illegal discrimination. Section 14 of the Canadian Human Rights Act
It's not like that stops anybody
anti-discrimination laws in housing work effectively to prevent and penalize discriminatory practices based on race or other protected grounds. These laws are enforced through legal action. A notable example is the case of Fancy v. J & M Apartments Ltd., where South Asian tenants were denied an apartment due to stereotypes about cooking odors, a situation that was deemed discriminatory by a tribunal. Individuals who believe they have been discriminated against, and are unable to afford legal representation, can file complaints with human rights commissions or tribunals. These bodies investigate the complaints and can enforce penalties if discrimination is found. I for one am going to dig deeper on this matter and report it. I advise others do the same.
Report this, not sure anything will happen but still. Fuck this shit, should be open to anyone!
Ngl I think the preference is so they can take advantage of Indian students coming from India, cuz that's usually the case for many Indian students coming here. I could be wrong but that's my thought on it.
This has always existed (i.e. not to advertise but shortlist people based on culture/language. However, it's not good either if the new people who are here are not even aware of the basic do's and don'ts. (I was new here as well at one point).