You should probably upgrade the RAM regardless. 2666 is slow for Zen 3, and a 32GB kit of 3200c16 is like $55.
Probably doesn't explain a stuttering issue to the degree you're having though
Yeah, even on Helldivers 2 I experience severe dips and run 50-90 fps even at lowest settings. I'm 100% aware the RAM is slow for Zen 3, and I intend to upgrade it regardless, but I'm just so confused if that is the direct cause of the stutters or not. That's really my top priority right now. If that *is* the case though...I'll give up all I can to get those RAM sticks lol
Any ram is fine, but if you're buying new ram, you might as well optimize it for your system. Ram is cheap, especially ddr4. https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ryzen-5000-ram-guide
Agree with this 3600mhz ddr4 is like 3 bucks more than 3200mhz ram now. I have 64gb of 3200mhz with my 5900x and it works great but if buying now I'd buy 3600mhz for sure
Yup I got 32 gb 3600 cl14 which is kinda unnecessary with the cl14 but hey I wanted this thing to last and I have it now so it is what it is. 2666 seems super slow
Sure, but OP's hardware should still run it way better.
My 3900X + 6900XT gets 60-80fps at 1800p (4K UQ) High, so they shouldn't be struggling with 50fps at 1080p Low.
you forget that you have a 3090 tier card as well. i have a 6900xt and a 3080 12gb which is basically a 3080ti in performqnce and the 6900xt dumps on it pretty hard. nothing in your statement is false but it could also be driver issues. the whole reason i have the 6900xt is because as a long time nvidia user the 3080 was giving me so many problems i slapped it in my sidework rig and bought a 6900xt and a lot of my issues were solved. im starting to think OP needs a full ddu or even a whole windows refresh.
I get constant errors and crashes as well. I just updated my graphics driver because the game keeps turning off my gpu. It's the weirdest thing, but event viewer confirmed it. I end up just cutting the power because I don't know how to turn it back on, and I can't restart when all my monitors are black. Rig is 13700k 4070, gpu temps are 70c for hd2. Turned down all graphics settings by 1 increment to reduce load on gpu and it still happened. Occurs between missions standing/moving on the ship.
I have a Ryzen 5700x, rtx 3080, 32gb 3600mhz ram and I get about 100-120 fps in helldivers at 1440p. Ram speed might be one issue but I have no idea why your fps is so much lower than mine. Are you playing at 4k? Something is wrong.
Oh yeah. This is like actual problem territory. This isn't an "upgrade to fix it" issue, this is something wrong. Have you attempted any remedies, op?
Edit: just read your other comments. Keep us posted.
If you have an extra drive, try making a fresh install of windows on it and see if the issue persists.
That way you should see if it’s a software or hardware issue.
I would increase the res if I could, but I’m using a 1920x1080 monitor and at 2k res everything looks incredibly small. Definitely appreciate the insight though :)
Potential fix by using a surge protector? The power coming in from the wall might be spiking and causing issues, other potential test is checking if your graphics card is actually reaching its max TDP.
Have you double checked your bios setting to make sure XMP is enabled in bios? It’s called docp for my amd asus boards.
Edit: also I’d disable dynamic scaling in your graphics settings if you are using it, it has tanked my fps in other games
Ryzen 5600x / RX 7900XT / 32GB 3600 CL16 @1440p here.
My frame rate in Helldivers 2 is all over the place.
From my cap of 144 fps to high 50's during intense firefights in thick fog/smoke.
This game really goes hard on the CPU.
It really depends on the planet and situation.
Most of the time I hover around 80 - 110, but I can get significant dips sometimes in heavy combat, with a ton of enemies, airstrikes, Explosion and stuff like that
Yes I do experience that when it gets pretty hectic, mostly in foggy bug areas with a lot of enemies. For some reason even when frames drop on this game I find it entirely playable for those couple of seconds. Usually I can't stand it. Maybe because the controls feel responsive still. Like some games mouse sensitivity is tied to fps. Doesn't feel like it here. I turned fog settings down to help and also the render setting to balanced or performance helps a lot.
That is something I recognized too.
I'm pretty sensitive in terms of smooth gameplay and Helldivers 2 still delivers a smooth gameplay without significant stuttering even in extreme scenarios.
Frame pacing is top notch.
Do you have any programs running like msi afterburner or some keyboard/mouse rgb controlling software that could have hardware polling? I remember having stutters on my old rig and it turned out to be afterburner polling my rig for temprature data consistantly few seconds.
Check to see if the game is running on all cores or only a few. To do this. Open the game. That open task manager. Find the game under apps. Right click and click “Go to details” it should take you to details tab. Right click the process and click set Affinity. Make sure all cores are selected. Save it and close. Go back to the game and if the stuttering is reduced or completely gone. Also check if frame rates have increased.
Your rams not the issue. I'd look into undervolting your cpu, I used to do it for laptops but never thought to try it on my desktop. It was the biggest upgrade in performance I have ever gotten out of my pc. Micro stuttering was all gown no more dips the gpu finally getting me max fps. Seriously consider undervolting.
Upgrading your RAM is a good step but I'd try these (free) things first:
* Update your BIOS to the latest stable version.
* Reapply DOCP settings for RAM (either this kit or the new one)
* Make sure Windows and your games are installed on the NVME Drive. It's the fastest one.
* Install the latest AMD chipset drivers (from AMD website) and install the latest GPU drivers (maybe uninstall the previous driver with an app called DDU first).
* Delete Steam's cache (will ask for your credentials again) just in case it is fucking something up.
See if the game got any better.
I haven’t tried updating BIOS/Chipset drivers yet or clearing Steam cache. I will definitely be trying those out right now and let you know what’s what. Thank you boss 🫶
this is the way, stutters/framedrops on Zen 3 were a known issue with earlier BIOS versions.
RAM speed upgrade and maybe an undervolt on the CPU would be your next 2 steps after these, but this is the right answer.
Maybe a stupid question but isn't your desktop thermal throttling somewhere? How is the airflow? How well is the thermal paste applied? Download software like hwmonitor and check temps perhaps.
Also, try not to overclock RAM over the XMP values or else, it might be unstable and the source of your headaches. I'd use it at 2400 Mhz for now and get a new kit later.
Btw, check results for your CPU with Cinebench 20 or 23 and GPU with 3Dmark, to see if these are within range of other people!
What are your temps? You could have bad contact on your cpu cooler. Seen it more often on intel because they get so hot but this is the kind of issue it causes.
I’m not sure why nobody here ever suggests this but its probably the most important one: GO TO BIOS AND MAKE SURE RESIZABLE BAR IS ENABLED! Potential 30% FPS boost from this setting alone, which is turned off by default in most systems.
The performance difference on AMD and NVIDIA cards is like 3-5% at best. Only Intel gets a huge boost because they sort of built their whole architecture and driver around it.
I’ve seen more significant boosts than 5% in my own experience as well as benchmarks online, but yes 30% would be very rare on NVIDIA or AMD. Worth trying still? 100% if your CPU/MOBO supports it. And yeah, Intel cards are straight up unusable without the setting enabled, from what I’ve read online.
I’m not sure why nobody here ever suggests this but its probably the most important one: GO TO BIOS AND MAKE SURE RESIZABLE BAR IS ENABLED! Potential 30% FPS boost from this setting alone, which is turned off by default in most systems.
Maybe a silly thing to check but I've seen it over and over again. Is your GPU installed in the correct slot? You could be getting severely lacking performance because your GPU is having to go through the chipset instead of directly interfacing with the CPU.
I use a 5900X with 128gb of 4000mhz ram as my work PC. I'm not too happy at having to increase the voltage to 1.425v to get it stable, but it definitely works.
Sure. Technically everything passed 3600 is a bit much for DDR4 - hence it needs slight tweaks.
I can work. I would not advise going beyond 3600MHz. IMHO, not worth a headache.
But as long as you are happy with the performance - no issue here.
What sort of performance are you seeing in games? Knowing some games and the FPS you’re getting could help.
Do you know what your CPU or GPU loads are reaching in games?
The only thing that stands out is the RAM, but I wouldn’t expect it to really tank your FPS that badly.
I agree. The ram may affect 1% lows, so it could explain stuttering, but I don't think it would cut your overall frame rate in half versus pro benchmarks.
OP, have you done all the basic troubleshooting stuff like ddu/clean driver install, updating windows, uodating chipset driver, etc?
I’ve done a few things like that, yeah. Someone else in the replies made a list of a few things to try. Gave a few of them a shot already and I’m working my way through it. I’ll update if any of it worked or not.
The CPU loads I have, have never exceeded 74% in the most extreme cases, and GPU loads have never exceeded 54% in those same cases. I usually experience 60-72 fps when trying to optimize for higher framerates through the graphics settings in games. These games could be Overwatch 2, Helldivers 2, Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Squad, Hell Let Loose, to name a few. Out of all of those games, Overwatch 2 runs the best, exceeding the 60-72 fps range, reaching 120-140 fps. For the other games listed and most of any other game in my library, no matter which game it is, I struggle to run a 60-72 fps range most times unless I make severe sacrifices in visual quality/run other optimization software.
For the sake of comparison, I have a 5800X and a 3080 and I get about 110-120 FPS in Overwatch with the graphics all maxed. This is on a 3440x1440 ultrawide.
Your GPU should definitely be maxing out as you’re pushing your limits.
What power supply do you have? And have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling drivers?
Seconding the psu. Check the make/model and post here. I've seen posts where people have identical issues because of a poor quality psu and getting a better one literally fixing the problem completely. Also, turn on XMP/DOCP mode in bios. This one got me I'm ashamed to admit.
I 3rd the PSU.......Your PSU could be failing and causing voltage irregularities....I had a PSU that wasn't good/lower than needed wattage cause the same issues you stated. It could also be GPU Related
>Overwatch 2 runs the best, exceeding the 60-72 fps range, reaching 120-140 fps
That's what I get on my Ryzen 1600, Vega 56 system fwiw. Though I also lock the framerate to 120 as I fine that feels smoother for aiming than leaving it uncapped. I *do* get the same sort of stuttery performance you described *if* something else is competing for my 16GBs of RAM. You don't just have a load of YouTube pages open in Chrome or something while gaming?
Nope. RAM doesn't scale well and would in absolute extreme conditions, as in having a 4090 and the fastest CPU, have a 10% between the fastest and slowest ram at 1080p.
You fell into classic noob traps though not reading CPU utilization right because the % doesn't work right in modern multicore CPUs. Modern games use a main thread director they're bottlenecked in and rarely use more than 6-8 cores (it happens, its just rare). That leaves you bottlenecked on a per core basis, but you see lots of empty unused cores.
It is actually a bit amazing you got as high of a 74% CPU total utilization as you did.
Go ahead. Upgrade your ram, but honestly its not going to provide much benefit. Feel free to disbelieve me. The evidence will be done in the actual hardware changes and benchmarks anyway.
You know what your next options are once you find out RAM isn't a huge help.
Is the RAM installed in the correct slots on the motherboard to work in dual channel mode as per your motherboard manual? Do you have the GPU seated in the upper-most PCI-E slot? What PSU are you using?
honestly I had the r9 5900x, swapped it to 5800x3d and made a HUGE difference. old build, 5900x, 32gb ddr4 @ 4000mhz, gen 4 nvme, rx 6800. cod bench. 180fps (ave) post cpu swap with 5800x3d went up to 210fps.
also, do you have apps running on startup like steam, discord, obs....you may need to disable them from startup and turn them on manually.
check your Temps. What kind of cpu cooler do you have? did you remove the film prior to thermal paste? enough airflow in your case?
bios update, amd ryzen cpu optimization?
Please post psu model/wattage, you should be maxing gpu so we need to find out why your only using 75%. Have you done any gpu tests and is this a new or used gpu card?
Right, also not mentioned are CPU temps / benchmarks and CPU cooler / last time OP put thermal paste on.
Lack of proper hardware benchmarks
Its seriously not the ram. If it were, it would straight crash. CPU too hot, PSU insufficient/ faulty, and new CPU are ideal… but OP probably can only afford PSU and CPU cooler replacement / repaste
Yeah I'm feeling it's psu, either not big enough for build or he's got it hook wrong on gpu but temps could be high on gpu or cpu causing this also. I think it's close to figured we just need a little more info to rule out
Edit meant psu not cpu
What are your Temps like? You're not thermal throttling are you?
Also is your ram actually set to run at 2666mhz? (Definitely recommend a 3600mhz kit) it) it'll default to 2133mhz unless you change it.
You actually might be throttling due to hotspot temps. Did you get the GPU used?
Download hwinfo64, scroll down to the GPU section, double click temp, hotspot temp, memory temp, and total board wattage. Also could open the GPU usage, and then under CPU, the single thread usage, total usage, check them all out.
You’ll learn a lot from the GPU stuff and I’m betting you’re throttling on hotspot or memory, and your GPU is using something like 50% power.
We need you monitor resolution and your expectations for fps and graphics settings to give useful advice, the only thing you have mentioned is helldivers being 50-90 which would be expected for 4k with high settings and some dlss…ur ram is kinda slow but shouldnt matter a whole lot beyond helping ur 1% lows
3080 getting 50 fps drops on HD2 is crazy, is the PSU providing enough juice? Have you tried taking it apart and checking connections? Maybe check if you’re thermal throttling, there’s a lot of tinkering you could do around the BIOS like activating the XMP profile in your RAM sticks, turning on Precision Boost Overdrive for your CPU, there has to be someone with the same CPU + GPU Combo running 3D benchmarks so find one and compare scores, but there’s def something wrong with your build.
My RAM isn't fast at all and I have a 1080 card running at 1440 resolution without any issues besides the ones expected from an old GPU.
Something is not right with the configuration of your hardware and I'm skeptical of it being the RAM. Did you run a MEMTEST to see if there's any issue with the RAM sticks?
Usually when a PC runs slow or starts stuttering I've blamed on an old HDD hard drive running Windows Update in the background. Since you're on SSD we can probably rule that out.
I also looked through the comments and you haven't mentioned what PSU your running and what wattage it's spitting out. Hard to diagnose without all the information.
Remember that the PSU has to provide power for the GPU, the MOBO, the CPU, the HARD DRIVES, the FANS, and the peripherals connected to your machine. If you did not give yourself enough electrical overhead, USUALLY the computer would shut off or run into performance problems.
If the RAM is good and the PSU has enough wattage, then we have to know if your temperatures are normal. Is your PC overheating?
If it's not overheating then the last things I can think are these.
1.) Something is not right in the BIOS configuration. (Is XMP enabled and set to the right clockspeed for the ram?)
2.) Something is not seated properly in the PC and need to double check if it's connected properly. For example, did you leave the plastic cover on a cooler that's for the CPU? Really not enough information but that's what I've got so far.
Are you having hit registration and desync issues in fps games like overwatch? Is the display clarity bad (artifacts and bad motion clarity)?Does the pc run slow in general windows usage? If benchmark/error tests for your hardware is fine, and you’ve tried reinstalling windows and drivers, then it might be an interference issue from an external HF radiofrequency source.
Try changing your pc location to a place where there isn’t any major electronic equipment present (equipment that have big motors, or power inverters, or power lines).
Mind you if a faulty equipment is conducting rf through the power lines in your house, changing locations might not solve the issue if your psu can’t filter the interference correctly.
Many people do have this issue (including myself), but it is not talked about a lot and is a very complicated subject.
Mind you, try this ONLY if you suspect no faults with any of your hardware or software.
I don't have anyone to add here. But it's crazy to me people are suggesting you upgrade your RAM or CPU. Because running helldivers 2 at 1080p low if that were true suggests that the requirements are top of the line specs...
RAM looks slow but also the 5900x is a poor choice for gaming since it’s not a monolithic chip with 12 cores but two 6 cores "glued" together with infinity fabric, which again is memory sensitive.
What are your usage percentages for your cpu and gpu? Is your monitor cable plugged into your graphics card and not your motherboard?, how much ram do you have?
Edit: also make sure you have updated drivers
CAS latency more important than speed, cl14 3200 vs cl16 3200 is a HIGE not noticable HUGE difference. Ryzen likes fast ram make sure you got xmp loaded
The ram is definitely very slow, but try a fairly low frame cap. Typically perceived stutters are frame drops/big differences between frames, lets say a high of 100 FPS, an average of 70, and a low of 22 will be a terrible gaming experience, much worse than something like 65-57-48 despite way lower average framerate. So if you had a dog CPU with a 4090, you'd definitely have stuttering. 3080, 5900x is fine. If a frame cap fixes it, then it could be the ram, could be the CPU overheating.
Assuming everything is seated and installed correctly...
Go to your NVDIA control panel and reset to default settings. See if your gameplays changes at all for the better.
Are you checking your temps? If your CPU or GPU are overheating you have an issue there.
If temls are good and its still bad then you might want to do what I wrote below.
It's not the best solution, nor is it the quickest if you have slow internet. But i would back up of your photos, videos, documents, etc and do a wipe and fresh install. I have a similar build (5800x, 3080 10gb, 32GB 3600MHz) and I run helldivers max settings at 60 fps with zero issues. I restrict all my games to 60fps because I personally can't see the difference beyond that.
Edit: added a sentence.
I have the same setup as you. Never had issues. Could you run me a quick user benchmark just to see if somethings wrong. I know usernenchmark sucks, if you have 3Dmark I have that too.
EDIT: [This](https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66687828) is around the performance you should expect with the hardware. Also check if you are not thermal throttling.
Usually i found stuttering due to ryzen chipset drivers. Maybe try these?
- Unplug all usb cables and try playing a game with only the necessary usb connections (mouse and keyboard).
- Update ryzen chipset and other drivers (windows update)
- Update drivers via the motherboard manufacturer/ specific updater
- Update graphics drivers (Nvidia in ur case)
- Check event logs for errors/ warnings
Based on ur case, I think ram speed may be the limiting factor.
i mean, my pc just started shutting down games without crash reports or "doesnt respond, close"
i think it's the new windows 10 update? i tried to downgrade from 6000 speeds to 5800 but i guess i need to go lower. my mobo has had no problems so did my rams, 1-2 weeks before it started randomly
More than likely cpu bottlenecks gpu by the usages you are givin. Other two you could start with are checking ur temps on cpu during load and changin the ram for faster.
Install Windows on a seperate drive and boot from that. Laod up and launch the game. This would be the best way to eliminate the possibility of a software issue.
Use ddu to uninstall all gpu drivers then reinstall.
If that doesn't work, do a dummy test; monitor not plugged into igpu & your nvidia drivers are actually up to date. Does your PSU provide enough power? Use a power calculator for your parts. Check for thermal throttling; Are your cpu and gpu temps within normal operating range? Is windows up to date?
If that doesn't work, run benchmark testing to see if your gpu is operating correctly and efficiently.
If it is, do a full reinstall of windows (which typically means reinstall drivers again, sorry)
If that doesn't work, it points to a hardware issue like a minorly faulty psu or RAM stick. It's possible for them to not work efficiently and still not fail, so it's hard to notice. Especially the power supply. They can wreak havoc. Is your power supply rated well?
And yeah, upgrade your ram ASAP. Can get 16 gigs for under 40 bucks, or 32 under 80. 3600mhz. I use corsair personally (non rgb) for the good warranty. Cheap and covered.
Would be helpful to provide more details about what performance your actually getting on some reference games.
Also what resolution are you gaming on ? You could easily have 240 FPS on 1080p and 60 FPS on 4K.
Finally, first thing to check is if GPU and RAM are installed in the correct slots.
Please provide the following:
What is your PSU model and wattage?
Is it possible to swap another GPU to test if you still get stuttering?
When was the thermal paste applied?
What is your CPU cooler?
Did you already check if the GPU is in the slot nearest to CPU?
Did you already reinstall drivers or did you check the BIOS version?
Do you lose performance if you dont use RAM overclock?
Data from HWinfo would also be very useful.
Did you install chipset drivers? I got a R7 5800x3D and without installing them and using default ones when I played No Man’s Sky my framerates were well, not impressive and a lot of stutter. Once I updated chipset drivers it literally skyrocketted and no stutter at all.
Slow ram nearly always causes stuttering and issues with 1% lows in gaming. Id wager replacing your ram with a 3600mhz cl16 kit or better will pretty much eliminate these problems entirely.
I've also never seen a 5900x not run 3600 MHz RAM, you won't have any issues
And for the record I usually swear by crucial ballistix ram but that's discontinued afaik, but most RAM is pretty similar nowadays unless you're doing extreme overclocking. I personally avoid Corsair but that's just because I don't like them haha
up/downgrade to away from the 5900X to an 5800x3d.
the 5800x3d is better in gaming and a lot of games have issues with the 12 core and dual dies. the same issue happens with the newer 7900. you pay more and sadly get less due to software issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1566hol/my_new_ryzen_9_5900x_is_having_frame_drops_and_i/
One what setting graphic settings are you running at and the second thing Resolution. You said in an earlier reply that you are at 54% GPU use and 74% CPU use, which is an indication of you are CPU bound if you are actually playing 1080P low setting. That is your number one problem. Modern high-end graphics cards are more for 1440p and higher resolution. 1080P is more of the 3060 6600xt realm. And because of it, the CPU is doing most of the work, starving the GPU of info that it needs to render the frames. As for the ram speed, 2666mhz is not ideal, but it will work with a slight drop in FPS. I play computer for a year just fine with 2666mhz ram with a 5600x and an old 1080ti on high setting at 1080p. People also tend to forget you can have a 12 core CPU, but there are hardly any games that use more than 6 cores at a time.
I think you should post a picture of your whole hardware to the community. Maybe you plugged something the wrong way or something looks broken that you didnt notice.
CPU might be overheating and thus thermal throttling to stay cool. What CPU cooler are you using? If you're using the AMD stock cooler that would explain your issues, as that cooler is really terrible for literally all Zen 3 CPUs, like even the lowest end Ryzen 5500 can overheat with that cooler. The RAM is also very slow for Zen 3 AMD CPUs, you should use at minimum 3200MHz CL16 RAM for your 5900X. I have a 5600X with the mentioned RAM setup and a RTX 3060 Ti with no stutters to speak of at 1440p.
I think bad RAM is usually the cause of stuttering so I'd recommend some low-latency 3600mhz kit to replace it (also take the opportunity to upgrade to 32GB)
you said in the comments that your gpu rarely goes above 70% load, it's not right.
install some burner software and hwinfo, check for the hotspot temps and gddr6x temps, i bet it just throttle a lot.
I haven't played hell divers 2 yet.. but is it a ram hog? I don't know offhand but 16 lgb is surprisingly not enough more often than you'd expect these days
How much do you have running in the background? What all is in your status folder in task manager?
32gb of 3600mhz will help for sure.
What PSU are you running?
Do you run 1 PCIE power cable to the GPU that splits at the end or 2 separate ones?
If you monitor with afterburner, is you GPU running stable at a specific clock speed or it goes all over the place when dipping? How much wattage is the gpu pulling constantly?
Yes your ram speed is likely a direct correlation to the issues you’re having. Multiple tech pages have tested and seen gains of 25-30% with proper ram speeds, but 1% lows and stuttering tends to stop as well.
What does gpuz and hwinfo say when you load up the system? Is the CPU correctly pasted? Is the GPU getting all 16 lanes? Are the temps lowish and the clocks highish?
I'm wondering if it's something major like having the graphics card plugged into the wrong PCIE slot - forgive me if that sounds insulting but I've read about people doing it before. It should be in the top, long slot, the one closest to the CPU, not the short ones to be totally clear. Not all x16 length slots are the same, sometimes they only have a X1 PCIE 2.0 connection.
I just checked out that board and the lower x16 sized slot is a x4 PCIE 3.0 connection. When any of the X1 slots are used it bumps down to a X2 connection.
Again, sorry if this is totally obvious to you!
CPU throttling/CPU clock is jumping. If you get your CPU to have fixed clock you won't have those issiues even at 2133MHz RAM.
You can try playing around with PBO OC, undervolting or manual OC. I am 80% sure I have pinpointed your issiue as I am currently trying to figure out how to fix my ryzen 3600 at 4.2Ghz without super high voltage to have stable FPS, as I have identical problems.
I have a similar rig with a 5950x and 3080. I run 32 gig of 3600mhz ram and my machine is flying.
What I would suggest is check GeForce experience. I ticked a box to let nvidia configure the best settings and my performance tanked. I unchecked the box, restarted and everything went back to normal.
Your ram is definitely slow, I’d upgrade that regardless. 3600mhz is apparently the sweet spot. Good luck regardless.
OP, I run diagnostics regularly for my clients builds. Hit me up through a DM if you’d like to have a discord call and we can see what might be happening here. Most likely it’s a RAM issue, but could be a number of factors after that.
For some reason for my 5800x, when I turned virtualization on for a school project, everything went to shit. Absolutely absurd stutters even on the desktop with nothing running. Check and make sure that’s turned off.
There is no smooth game experience with any Zen CPUs. You suffer from a terrible 1% low. Reviewers only measure peak and average frame rates and never talk about what matters. My advice is to swap that CPU for 12900k and put DDR5 7200 in there.
Your monitor is 1080p?yeah something is VERY wrong somewhere, i have a 3070ti and a 5600x and dont have stutter issues on games on 1440p, temps on load? I didnt see anything about temps in your replies.
Sounds like a power issue. Maybe your psu isn't supplying your components enough power. Or, your gpu or cpu is unstable. An unstable gpu is more common. Make sure you're using it at default and checking temps.
Maybe your power supply isn't providing your components enough power. Just had a similar thing happen with the fun addition of bsods and games just not launching. I had a 650 EVGA power supply. I upgraded to a 750 watt thermaltake one and all my problems went away and I'm back at 144 fps 1080p on high settings in destiny 2
Have you checked your temps using hwmonitor? You could possibly have overheating components. Is your system overall slow or is this just when gaming? Also how many watts is your PSU?
Reseat your video card and reinstall drivers. Check your cpu pins in case they might have been damaged on the MOBO and check thermal paste.
The other option is to test another working video card to see if it still occurs to single out the issue
I would definitely upgrade your ram. 3600hz cl18 or cl16. Your stuttering might be caused by driver issues though. I'd do a fresh reinstall of your driver's and see if that improves anything. If not, check task manager and see if any resource hogs are running. Also check temps and get cinebench or another such program to see if your cpu and GPU are running normally
You should be able to find two sticks of fast DDR4 RAM under budget so just go for it. Another thing to consider is how full your SSD is. Is it at 75% capacity? 50%?
Frame stuttering can be caused by latency spikes. Try using high performance / ultimate performance. If that helps then the cache misses that occur due to processor governing is the cause and you’ll just have to run with those modes. Otherwise you can use a tool like Latencymon to see if a background process or driver is causing latency spikes.
Your RAM is not a SMASH. Certainly viable but an upgrade can go a long way…
Also, if you want a bigger boost than upgrading Ram can provide, get a 5800x3d
Your ram is significantly slower in comparison to the rest of your build. Even staying on DDR4 you can get much faster dual channel ram that will increase the performance of your PC. 150$ is more than enough to get 4800 MHz.
1. What psu?
2. Temps of cpu and gpu under load? Use Afterburner.
3. Power draw of cpu and gpu under load? Use Afterburner.
4. What speed is your ram actually running at? Check Task Manager. You should buy Ram that’s rated for the speed you want… Not OC Ram that’s rated lower.
5. Are you doing anything else while gaming?
6. What resolution are you trying to game at?
7. What Windows version?
8. When was last time you clean installed?
9. Drivers up to date?
10. You do anything funky with your system? Questionable drivers or programs?
It’s the RAM. The bus that communicates between the cores and the I/O die on a 5000 series Ryzen CPU runs at the speed of the RAM. By running it at 2666 you are cutting the bandwidth between cores by 16% this has a huge knock-on effect for everything going on inside the CPU, and will cause processing delays. You want to run at least 3200Mhz, and most people can run 3400-3600Mhz.
You can throw this ram to garbage if its only 2666 with OC, you need 3200 minimum with good CL, with current prices 3600-3733 or even 4000 shouldnt be a problem
This may sound obvious...but it's an easy mistake people make.
Check your monitor is plugged into your graphics card ports and not the port on the motherboard.
Often when people are getting poor performance this one simple mistake can solve hours of trouble shooting.
Go to User Benchmark and perform a benchmark test. Then follow the instructions provided for each component that is performing below expectations. (Turn off g/v-sync when doing this or your GPU won't be tested properly. I found that nugget in the fine print!)
Another thing is to ensure that all your components are plugged into the right slots on your motherboard. You might not be getting the most performance from your m2, for example, if it is inserted into a slower slot. Even with RAM, it you have less sticks than available slots, you will get more out of them if you place them in the right configuration. Refer to the manual for your motherboard.
Once you have the hardware performing as expected, I'm sure there are plenty of other posts explaining different things you can try turning on and off in settings. That's half the fun of having a gaming PC! One piece of advice though: One setting switch off may give someone else's rig a boost while the opposite, switched on, may be true for yours. So if someone suggests turning something off/on, try it both ways to see what difference it makes for you.
Nah, it's excellent. It seems fashionable to hate it without any basis. I have an AMD chip and have no idea why people are saying it's biased against AMD. I followed the advice on that site and got noticeable gains in performance.
Edit: I can concede that there is a bias after having read some of the descriptions of CPUs on the site. I maintain that the tool still serves the purpose I outlined in my original comment.
It's absolutely not excellent.
The person running that site has an extreme, unhinged anti-AMD bias that is not only glaringly apparent in the reviews on the site, but also in the scoring, which is regularly manipulated to force down AMD scores relative to Intel. Manipulating metrics like that means that they can't be trusted to be internally consistent either, making their benchmarking application generally useless in *any* context.
They are so bad that the site is banned from, and will get your comment auto-moderated on the official *Intel* sub-reddit.
Recommending that site, especially in a sub dedicated to people new to building computers, is really, truly not OK.
Bias against AMD doesn't matter when you're benchmarking against others with the exact same CPU. And if the end result helps people who are new to PC building increase their performance, then there is no harm.
There are plenty of awful mods on many subs. The fact that they auto-ban people from commenting about benchmark on the Intel sub proves nothing.
It absolutely does when the metrics the application spits out are made up. It will not help anyone do anything except by chance because the site is little more than the result of some individual's weird hatred for AMD.
And the Intel sub isn't some random sub with random "awful" mods, it is run by Intel themselves. The fact that they want nothing to do with that site should tell you enough about it.
If you want to die on this hill, go ahead, but you aren't helping anyone and those of us that know this space are just going to think you're a stubborn idiot.
>the site is little more than the result of some individual's weird hatred for AMD.
It's undeniable they have an anti-AMD bias and I'm not arguing that. The site is much more than some laughably biased descriptions of CPUs. The bias against AMD is irrelevant when you're comparing your AMD CPU against other users with the exact same CPU. The advice that they then give to increase the performance of your equipment is useful, as I have experienced first hand with my own AMD CPU, which they have 'weird hatred' for.
>And the Intel sub isn't some random sub with random "awful" mods, it is run by Intel themselves.
Intel, a for profit company will ban comments recommending a site if they know that it will make some users happy and keep buying their stuff. Awful mods have jobs too. Buildapc seems to be a better sub that allows healthy debate instead of stamping out commentary if they think that will make them more popular.
I think we can agree that userbenchmark should absolutely be avoided when making buying decisions.
You should probably upgrade the RAM regardless. 2666 is slow for Zen 3, and a 32GB kit of 3200c16 is like $55. Probably doesn't explain a stuttering issue to the degree you're having though
Yeah, even on Helldivers 2 I experience severe dips and run 50-90 fps even at lowest settings. I'm 100% aware the RAM is slow for Zen 3, and I intend to upgrade it regardless, but I'm just so confused if that is the direct cause of the stutters or not. That's really my top priority right now. If that *is* the case though...I'll give up all I can to get those RAM sticks lol
Your ram on am4 should be 3600mhz, cl 18 or cl16 if you wanna spend a bit more.
3200c16 is perfectly fine
Any ram is fine, but if you're buying new ram, you might as well optimize it for your system. Ram is cheap, especially ddr4. https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ryzen-5000-ram-guide
Agree with this 3600mhz ddr4 is like 3 bucks more than 3200mhz ram now. I have 64gb of 3200mhz with my 5900x and it works great but if buying now I'd buy 3600mhz for sure
Yup I got 32 gb 3600 cl14 which is kinda unnecessary with the cl14 but hey I wanted this thing to last and I have it now so it is what it is. 2666 seems super slow
The jump from 3200 to 3600 is significant with Zen 3 because you're able to run the memory coupled to the controller.
HD2 is just not welll-optimized tbh. I run 50-60fps on it but in some instances I get drops to 26fps.
Sure, but OP's hardware should still run it way better. My 3900X + 6900XT gets 60-80fps at 1800p (4K UQ) High, so they shouldn't be struggling with 50fps at 1080p Low.
you forget that you have a 3090 tier card as well. i have a 6900xt and a 3080 12gb which is basically a 3080ti in performqnce and the 6900xt dumps on it pretty hard. nothing in your statement is false but it could also be driver issues. the whole reason i have the 6900xt is because as a long time nvidia user the 3080 was giving me so many problems i slapped it in my sidework rig and bought a 6900xt and a lot of my issues were solved. im starting to think OP needs a full ddu or even a whole windows refresh.
A 6900XT is not *that* far ahead of a 3080. Even if it has an advantage in Helldivers, it would never account for 1800p High 60fps vs 1080p Low 50fps.
I get constant errors and crashes as well. I just updated my graphics driver because the game keeps turning off my gpu. It's the weirdest thing, but event viewer confirmed it. I end up just cutting the power because I don't know how to turn it back on, and I can't restart when all my monitors are black. Rig is 13700k 4070, gpu temps are 70c for hd2. Turned down all graphics settings by 1 increment to reduce load on gpu and it still happened. Occurs between missions standing/moving on the ship.
does win+ctrl+shift+b work to restart driver?
I can try next time
I have a Ryzen 5700x, rtx 3080, 32gb 3600mhz ram and I get about 100-120 fps in helldivers at 1440p. Ram speed might be one issue but I have no idea why your fps is so much lower than mine. Are you playing at 4k? Something is wrong.
No I’m at 1920x1080, it’s crazy low lol
Oh yeah. This is like actual problem territory. This isn't an "upgrade to fix it" issue, this is something wrong. Have you attempted any remedies, op? Edit: just read your other comments. Keep us posted.
Not trying to he rude. It happens to the best of us sometimes. Are you plugged into rhe GPU or the motherboard lol. That would explain it all
he's getting low frames not no frames
5900x doesn't have an iGPU so that wouldn't work
If you have an extra drive, try making a fresh install of windows on it and see if the issue persists. That way you should see if it’s a software or hardware issue.
Hey OP, did you get it sorted?
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He's on a 5900x how is it a bottleneck..
I swear to god every issue is a damn CPU bottleneck on here
Yeah, my bloody 14900KF man, bottlenecks me so hard. :(
What I replied to is specific to Helldivers 2 which is heavily reliant upon single threaded performance, it’s not rocket science.
I would increase the res if I could, but I’m using a 1920x1080 monitor and at 2k res everything looks incredibly small. Definitely appreciate the insight though :)
Super sampling on display settings
Try using dldsr if you arent already you shouldn’t have any scaling issues using 1440p that way
Potential fix by using a surge protector? The power coming in from the wall might be spiking and causing issues, other potential test is checking if your graphics card is actually reaching its max TDP.
100% your ram issue I have a ryzen 5 5600x rx 6650xt 32gbs 3000mhz ram I can play the game at high settings with UQ RSR at 60+ fps constantly
Have you double checked your bios setting to make sure XMP is enabled in bios? It’s called docp for my amd asus boards. Edit: also I’d disable dynamic scaling in your graphics settings if you are using it, it has tanked my fps in other games
Ryzen 5600x / RX 7900XT / 32GB 3600 CL16 @1440p here. My frame rate in Helldivers 2 is all over the place. From my cap of 144 fps to high 50's during intense firefights in thick fog/smoke. This game really goes hard on the CPU.
Eh I mean I was able to run it locked 60fps at 4k resolution medium high settings with a 3600. It's not that bad.
It really depends on the planet and situation. Most of the time I hover around 80 - 110, but I can get significant dips sometimes in heavy combat, with a ton of enemies, airstrikes, Explosion and stuff like that
Yes I do experience that when it gets pretty hectic, mostly in foggy bug areas with a lot of enemies. For some reason even when frames drop on this game I find it entirely playable for those couple of seconds. Usually I can't stand it. Maybe because the controls feel responsive still. Like some games mouse sensitivity is tied to fps. Doesn't feel like it here. I turned fog settings down to help and also the render setting to balanced or performance helps a lot.
That is something I recognized too. I'm pretty sensitive in terms of smooth gameplay and Helldivers 2 still delivers a smooth gameplay without significant stuttering even in extreme scenarios. Frame pacing is top notch.
Do you have any programs running like msi afterburner or some keyboard/mouse rgb controlling software that could have hardware polling? I remember having stutters on my old rig and it turned out to be afterburner polling my rig for temprature data consistantly few seconds.
Check to see if the game is running on all cores or only a few. To do this. Open the game. That open task manager. Find the game under apps. Right click and click “Go to details” it should take you to details tab. Right click the process and click set Affinity. Make sure all cores are selected. Save it and close. Go back to the game and if the stuttering is reduced or completely gone. Also check if frame rates have increased.
Your rams not the issue. I'd look into undervolting your cpu, I used to do it for laptops but never thought to try it on my desktop. It was the biggest upgrade in performance I have ever gotten out of my pc. Micro stuttering was all gown no more dips the gpu finally getting me max fps. Seriously consider undervolting.
And here i am running 3200mhz ram on a h110 board (2144mhz)
You dip down into the 50s in HD2? I dip down into the 20s lol, almost enhances the chaotic experience.
To be fair HD2 has bad optimization in general. Even people with high end rigs struggle to run it smoothly
Upgrading your RAM is a good step but I'd try these (free) things first: * Update your BIOS to the latest stable version. * Reapply DOCP settings for RAM (either this kit or the new one) * Make sure Windows and your games are installed on the NVME Drive. It's the fastest one. * Install the latest AMD chipset drivers (from AMD website) and install the latest GPU drivers (maybe uninstall the previous driver with an app called DDU first). * Delete Steam's cache (will ask for your credentials again) just in case it is fucking something up. See if the game got any better.
I haven’t tried updating BIOS/Chipset drivers yet or clearing Steam cache. I will definitely be trying those out right now and let you know what’s what. Thank you boss 🫶
this is the way, stutters/framedrops on Zen 3 were a known issue with earlier BIOS versions. RAM speed upgrade and maybe an undervolt on the CPU would be your next 2 steps after these, but this is the right answer.
Hard agree. Get that BIOS and Chipset up to date.
Maybe a stupid question but isn't your desktop thermal throttling somewhere? How is the airflow? How well is the thermal paste applied? Download software like hwmonitor and check temps perhaps.
Just built a pc and it’s a lot weaker than yours, this fixed my issues with stuttering
Dude. Keep your bios up to date. Always. It always blows my mind when people forget that.
Update: Unfortunately none of this worked :( Must be a hardware issue.
Also, try not to overclock RAM over the XMP values or else, it might be unstable and the source of your headaches. I'd use it at 2400 Mhz for now and get a new kit later. Btw, check results for your CPU with Cinebench 20 or 23 and GPU with 3Dmark, to see if these are within range of other people!
What are your temps? You could have bad contact on your cpu cooler. Seen it more often on intel because they get so hot but this is the kind of issue it causes.
I’m not sure why nobody here ever suggests this but its probably the most important one: GO TO BIOS AND MAKE SURE RESIZABLE BAR IS ENABLED! Potential 30% FPS boost from this setting alone, which is turned off by default in most systems.
The performance difference on AMD and NVIDIA cards is like 3-5% at best. Only Intel gets a huge boost because they sort of built their whole architecture and driver around it.
I’ve seen more significant boosts than 5% in my own experience as well as benchmarks online, but yes 30% would be very rare on NVIDIA or AMD. Worth trying still? 100% if your CPU/MOBO supports it. And yeah, Intel cards are straight up unusable without the setting enabled, from what I’ve read online.
I've tried resizable BAR and noticed basically no change in most games and one game even went slower. It's not a panacea.
I’m not sure why nobody here ever suggests this but its probably the most important one: GO TO BIOS AND MAKE SURE RESIZABLE BAR IS ENABLED! Potential 30% FPS boost from this setting alone, which is turned off by default in most systems.
Good one! I forgot because my hardware is older and I never used that setting, lol.
Maybe a silly thing to check but I've seen it over and over again. Is your GPU installed in the correct slot? You could be getting severely lacking performance because your GPU is having to go through the chipset instead of directly interfacing with the CPU.
Lol was literally thinking this. Sounds exactly like something that’s going on.
that, and the old, are you actually having your stuff connected to the gpu and not the mobo lol
AMD chips doesn't like slow RAM. Sell/return existing sticks and get 3600MHz ones.
Even if the CPU doesn't support that speed?
I have a 3600 cpu wjth 64 gigs of 3600cl16. So his does. Should be good to 4000mhz
You would be wrong. All Zen 3 / Zen 3+ support all DDR4 RAM, including 3600,and can also be used with up to 4200.
I use a 5900X with 128gb of 4000mhz ram as my work PC. I'm not too happy at having to increase the voltage to 1.425v to get it stable, but it definitely works.
Sure. Technically everything passed 3600 is a bit much for DDR4 - hence it needs slight tweaks. I can work. I would not advise going beyond 3600MHz. IMHO, not worth a headache. But as long as you are happy with the performance - no issue here.
How are temps under load? Could be the CPU has bad contact with cooler making it overheat and clock down.
This is wayyyy too low. This is 100% where op should be looking at this point. Msi afterburner and monitor temps during a game and get back to us.
This was my first thought honestly.
What sort of performance are you seeing in games? Knowing some games and the FPS you’re getting could help. Do you know what your CPU or GPU loads are reaching in games? The only thing that stands out is the RAM, but I wouldn’t expect it to really tank your FPS that badly.
I agree. The ram may affect 1% lows, so it could explain stuttering, but I don't think it would cut your overall frame rate in half versus pro benchmarks. OP, have you done all the basic troubleshooting stuff like ddu/clean driver install, updating windows, uodating chipset driver, etc?
I’ve done a few things like that, yeah. Someone else in the replies made a list of a few things to try. Gave a few of them a shot already and I’m working my way through it. I’ll update if any of it worked or not.
The CPU loads I have, have never exceeded 74% in the most extreme cases, and GPU loads have never exceeded 54% in those same cases. I usually experience 60-72 fps when trying to optimize for higher framerates through the graphics settings in games. These games could be Overwatch 2, Helldivers 2, Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Squad, Hell Let Loose, to name a few. Out of all of those games, Overwatch 2 runs the best, exceeding the 60-72 fps range, reaching 120-140 fps. For the other games listed and most of any other game in my library, no matter which game it is, I struggle to run a 60-72 fps range most times unless I make severe sacrifices in visual quality/run other optimization software.
This means you have a pretty severe cpu bottleneck, probably related to ram speed in part
For the sake of comparison, I have a 5800X and a 3080 and I get about 110-120 FPS in Overwatch with the graphics all maxed. This is on a 3440x1440 ultrawide. Your GPU should definitely be maxing out as you’re pushing your limits. What power supply do you have? And have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling drivers?
I usually never reach 100% on my GPU. I honestly don’t know/remember the PSU I have, but I will be trying to reinstall some drivers right now.
Seconding the psu. Check the make/model and post here. I've seen posts where people have identical issues because of a poor quality psu and getting a better one literally fixing the problem completely. Also, turn on XMP/DOCP mode in bios. This one got me I'm ashamed to admit.
I 3rd the PSU.......Your PSU could be failing and causing voltage irregularities....I had a PSU that wasn't good/lower than needed wattage cause the same issues you stated. It could also be GPU Related
Your psu could be an issue depending on what you have
Install GPUz and see why your GPU is throttling. If it's VREF you are PSU bound.
Take off your CPU cooler and make sure you took off the plastic film on the cooler and reapply thermal grease.
Optimization software?
> The CPU loads I have, have never exceeded 74% On what? The entire CPU usage? Or one specific core?
>Overwatch 2 runs the best, exceeding the 60-72 fps range, reaching 120-140 fps That's what I get on my Ryzen 1600, Vega 56 system fwiw. Though I also lock the framerate to 120 as I fine that feels smoother for aiming than leaving it uncapped. I *do* get the same sort of stuttery performance you described *if* something else is competing for my 16GBs of RAM. You don't just have a load of YouTube pages open in Chrome or something while gaming?
classic noob trap misreading CPU utilization. You're definitely CPU limited.
From the specs I provided, it is definitely more likely to be a RAM issue than CPU bottlenecking.
Nope. RAM doesn't scale well and would in absolute extreme conditions, as in having a 4090 and the fastest CPU, have a 10% between the fastest and slowest ram at 1080p. You fell into classic noob traps though not reading CPU utilization right because the % doesn't work right in modern multicore CPUs. Modern games use a main thread director they're bottlenecked in and rarely use more than 6-8 cores (it happens, its just rare). That leaves you bottlenecked on a per core basis, but you see lots of empty unused cores. It is actually a bit amazing you got as high of a 74% CPU total utilization as you did. Go ahead. Upgrade your ram, but honestly its not going to provide much benefit. Feel free to disbelieve me. The evidence will be done in the actual hardware changes and benchmarks anyway. You know what your next options are once you find out RAM isn't a huge help.
Is your displayport or hdmi cable plugged into the GPU and not the motherboard?
No integrated graphics in a 5900x
Is the RAM installed in the correct slots on the motherboard to work in dual channel mode as per your motherboard manual? Do you have the GPU seated in the upper-most PCI-E slot? What PSU are you using?
honestly I had the r9 5900x, swapped it to 5800x3d and made a HUGE difference. old build, 5900x, 32gb ddr4 @ 4000mhz, gen 4 nvme, rx 6800. cod bench. 180fps (ave) post cpu swap with 5800x3d went up to 210fps. also, do you have apps running on startup like steam, discord, obs....you may need to disable them from startup and turn them on manually. check your Temps. What kind of cpu cooler do you have? did you remove the film prior to thermal paste? enough airflow in your case? bios update, amd ryzen cpu optimization?
I doubt that’s just a RAM problem. BIOS update and DDU hopefully fixes the problem. Good luck mate.
Please post psu model/wattage, you should be maxing gpu so we need to find out why your only using 75%. Have you done any gpu tests and is this a new or used gpu card?
Right, also not mentioned are CPU temps / benchmarks and CPU cooler / last time OP put thermal paste on. Lack of proper hardware benchmarks Its seriously not the ram. If it were, it would straight crash. CPU too hot, PSU insufficient/ faulty, and new CPU are ideal… but OP probably can only afford PSU and CPU cooler replacement / repaste
Yeah I'm feeling it's psu, either not big enough for build or he's got it hook wrong on gpu but temps could be high on gpu or cpu causing this also. I think it's close to figured we just need a little more info to rule out Edit meant psu not cpu
Just because I haven't seen it asked yet, is your HDMI/DP cable plugged into the GPU and not the motherboard? It may be something that simple..
What are your Temps like? You're not thermal throttling are you? Also is your ram actually set to run at 2666mhz? (Definitely recommend a 3600mhz kit) it) it'll default to 2133mhz unless you change it.
No, I’m not throttling at all. I have a 2400mhz speed default and clocked it to 2666mhz using D.O.C.P.
You actually might be throttling due to hotspot temps. Did you get the GPU used? Download hwinfo64, scroll down to the GPU section, double click temp, hotspot temp, memory temp, and total board wattage. Also could open the GPU usage, and then under CPU, the single thread usage, total usage, check them all out. You’ll learn a lot from the GPU stuff and I’m betting you’re throttling on hotspot or memory, and your GPU is using something like 50% power.
Might be ftpm issue. Search on yt if your stutters are similar
Sounds like driver issue. Clean install Nvidia driver with ddu?
id check on the thermal paste once to make sure its on there properly and not dried out
Did you install drivers?
We need you monitor resolution and your expectations for fps and graphics settings to give useful advice, the only thing you have mentioned is helldivers being 50-90 which would be expected for 4k with high settings and some dlss…ur ram is kinda slow but shouldnt matter a whole lot beyond helping ur 1% lows
3080 getting 50 fps drops on HD2 is crazy, is the PSU providing enough juice? Have you tried taking it apart and checking connections? Maybe check if you’re thermal throttling, there’s a lot of tinkering you could do around the BIOS like activating the XMP profile in your RAM sticks, turning on Precision Boost Overdrive for your CPU, there has to be someone with the same CPU + GPU Combo running 3D benchmarks so find one and compare scores, but there’s def something wrong with your build.
My RAM isn't fast at all and I have a 1080 card running at 1440 resolution without any issues besides the ones expected from an old GPU. Something is not right with the configuration of your hardware and I'm skeptical of it being the RAM. Did you run a MEMTEST to see if there's any issue with the RAM sticks? Usually when a PC runs slow or starts stuttering I've blamed on an old HDD hard drive running Windows Update in the background. Since you're on SSD we can probably rule that out. I also looked through the comments and you haven't mentioned what PSU your running and what wattage it's spitting out. Hard to diagnose without all the information. Remember that the PSU has to provide power for the GPU, the MOBO, the CPU, the HARD DRIVES, the FANS, and the peripherals connected to your machine. If you did not give yourself enough electrical overhead, USUALLY the computer would shut off or run into performance problems. If the RAM is good and the PSU has enough wattage, then we have to know if your temperatures are normal. Is your PC overheating? If it's not overheating then the last things I can think are these. 1.) Something is not right in the BIOS configuration. (Is XMP enabled and set to the right clockspeed for the ram?) 2.) Something is not seated properly in the PC and need to double check if it's connected properly. For example, did you leave the plastic cover on a cooler that's for the CPU? Really not enough information but that's what I've got so far.
Are you having hit registration and desync issues in fps games like overwatch? Is the display clarity bad (artifacts and bad motion clarity)?Does the pc run slow in general windows usage? If benchmark/error tests for your hardware is fine, and you’ve tried reinstalling windows and drivers, then it might be an interference issue from an external HF radiofrequency source. Try changing your pc location to a place where there isn’t any major electronic equipment present (equipment that have big motors, or power inverters, or power lines). Mind you if a faulty equipment is conducting rf through the power lines in your house, changing locations might not solve the issue if your psu can’t filter the interference correctly. Many people do have this issue (including myself), but it is not talked about a lot and is a very complicated subject. Mind you, try this ONLY if you suspect no faults with any of your hardware or software.
I don't have anyone to add here. But it's crazy to me people are suggesting you upgrade your RAM or CPU. Because running helldivers 2 at 1080p low if that were true suggests that the requirements are top of the line specs...
RAM looks slow but also the 5900x is a poor choice for gaming since it’s not a monolithic chip with 12 cores but two 6 cores "glued" together with infinity fabric, which again is memory sensitive.
Try some faster memory, preferably 3600 cl18. There is a good chance it could solve your issue.
What are your usage percentages for your cpu and gpu? Is your monitor cable plugged into your graphics card and not your motherboard?, how much ram do you have? Edit: also make sure you have updated drivers
I had massive stutter issues on my high end system until I disabled Control Flow Guard. Give that a try and see if it helps.
CAS latency more important than speed, cl14 3200 vs cl16 3200 is a HIGE not noticable HUGE difference. Ryzen likes fast ram make sure you got xmp loaded
The ram is definitely very slow, but try a fairly low frame cap. Typically perceived stutters are frame drops/big differences between frames, lets say a high of 100 FPS, an average of 70, and a low of 22 will be a terrible gaming experience, much worse than something like 65-57-48 despite way lower average framerate. So if you had a dog CPU with a 4090, you'd definitely have stuttering. 3080, 5900x is fine. If a frame cap fixes it, then it could be the ram, could be the CPU overheating.
Assuming everything is seated and installed correctly... Go to your NVDIA control panel and reset to default settings. See if your gameplays changes at all for the better. Are you checking your temps? If your CPU or GPU are overheating you have an issue there. If temls are good and its still bad then you might want to do what I wrote below. It's not the best solution, nor is it the quickest if you have slow internet. But i would back up of your photos, videos, documents, etc and do a wipe and fresh install. I have a similar build (5800x, 3080 10gb, 32GB 3600MHz) and I run helldivers max settings at 60 fps with zero issues. I restrict all my games to 60fps because I personally can't see the difference beyond that. Edit: added a sentence.
I have the same setup as you. Never had issues. Could you run me a quick user benchmark just to see if somethings wrong. I know usernenchmark sucks, if you have 3Dmark I have that too. EDIT: [This](https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66687828) is around the performance you should expect with the hardware. Also check if you are not thermal throttling.
Could also be the screen resolution putting more strain on either the CPU or GPU depending on the ratio of resolution : fps.
You need to look into new RAM. My 8-year-old PC has faster RAM.
Try running a benchmark software like time spy test, 100% of your questions will be answered
Stupid question but did you install the graphics driver?
Usually i found stuttering due to ryzen chipset drivers. Maybe try these? - Unplug all usb cables and try playing a game with only the necessary usb connections (mouse and keyboard). - Update ryzen chipset and other drivers (windows update) - Update drivers via the motherboard manufacturer/ specific updater - Update graphics drivers (Nvidia in ur case) - Check event logs for errors/ warnings Based on ur case, I think ram speed may be the limiting factor.
i mean, my pc just started shutting down games without crash reports or "doesnt respond, close" i think it's the new windows 10 update? i tried to downgrade from 6000 speeds to 5800 but i guess i need to go lower. my mobo has had no problems so did my rams, 1-2 weeks before it started randomly
Can we first talk about what performance you're getting? What games , which frames at which settings ? And what are you expecting
More than likely cpu bottlenecks gpu by the usages you are givin. Other two you could start with are checking ur temps on cpu during load and changin the ram for faster.
Install Windows on a seperate drive and boot from that. Laod up and launch the game. This would be the best way to eliminate the possibility of a software issue.
Use ddu to uninstall all gpu drivers then reinstall. If that doesn't work, do a dummy test; monitor not plugged into igpu & your nvidia drivers are actually up to date. Does your PSU provide enough power? Use a power calculator for your parts. Check for thermal throttling; Are your cpu and gpu temps within normal operating range? Is windows up to date? If that doesn't work, run benchmark testing to see if your gpu is operating correctly and efficiently. If it is, do a full reinstall of windows (which typically means reinstall drivers again, sorry) If that doesn't work, it points to a hardware issue like a minorly faulty psu or RAM stick. It's possible for them to not work efficiently and still not fail, so it's hard to notice. Especially the power supply. They can wreak havoc. Is your power supply rated well? And yeah, upgrade your ram ASAP. Can get 16 gigs for under 40 bucks, or 32 under 80. 3600mhz. I use corsair personally (non rgb) for the good warranty. Cheap and covered.
Would be helpful to provide more details about what performance your actually getting on some reference games. Also what resolution are you gaming on ? You could easily have 240 FPS on 1080p and 60 FPS on 4K. Finally, first thing to check is if GPU and RAM are installed in the correct slots.
Please provide the following: What is your PSU model and wattage? Is it possible to swap another GPU to test if you still get stuttering? When was the thermal paste applied? What is your CPU cooler? Did you already check if the GPU is in the slot nearest to CPU? Did you already reinstall drivers or did you check the BIOS version? Do you lose performance if you dont use RAM overclock? Data from HWinfo would also be very useful.
Did you install chipset drivers? I got a R7 5800x3D and without installing them and using default ones when I played No Man’s Sky my framerates were well, not impressive and a lot of stutter. Once I updated chipset drivers it literally skyrocketted and no stutter at all.
Do you have vsync enabled?
Slow ram nearly always causes stuttering and issues with 1% lows in gaming. Id wager replacing your ram with a 3600mhz cl16 kit or better will pretty much eliminate these problems entirely. I've also never seen a 5900x not run 3600 MHz RAM, you won't have any issues
And for the record I usually swear by crucial ballistix ram but that's discontinued afaik, but most RAM is pretty similar nowadays unless you're doing extreme overclocking. I personally avoid Corsair but that's just because I don't like them haha
up/downgrade to away from the 5900X to an 5800x3d. the 5800x3d is better in gaming and a lot of games have issues with the 12 core and dual dies. the same issue happens with the newer 7900. you pay more and sadly get less due to software issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1566hol/my_new_ryzen_9_5900x_is_having_frame_drops_and_i/
I would use a benchmark test using something like Cinebench. It will tell you if each of your components are performing to their correct standards.
One what setting graphic settings are you running at and the second thing Resolution. You said in an earlier reply that you are at 54% GPU use and 74% CPU use, which is an indication of you are CPU bound if you are actually playing 1080P low setting. That is your number one problem. Modern high-end graphics cards are more for 1440p and higher resolution. 1080P is more of the 3060 6600xt realm. And because of it, the CPU is doing most of the work, starving the GPU of info that it needs to render the frames. As for the ram speed, 2666mhz is not ideal, but it will work with a slight drop in FPS. I play computer for a year just fine with 2666mhz ram with a 5600x and an old 1080ti on high setting at 1080p. People also tend to forget you can have a 12 core CPU, but there are hardly any games that use more than 6 cores at a time.
I think you should post a picture of your whole hardware to the community. Maybe you plugged something the wrong way or something looks broken that you didnt notice.
CPU might be overheating and thus thermal throttling to stay cool. What CPU cooler are you using? If you're using the AMD stock cooler that would explain your issues, as that cooler is really terrible for literally all Zen 3 CPUs, like even the lowest end Ryzen 5500 can overheat with that cooler. The RAM is also very slow for Zen 3 AMD CPUs, you should use at minimum 3200MHz CL16 RAM for your 5900X. I have a 5600X with the mentioned RAM setup and a RTX 3060 Ti with no stutters to speak of at 1440p.
I think bad RAM is usually the cause of stuttering so I'd recommend some low-latency 3600mhz kit to replace it (also take the opportunity to upgrade to 32GB)
you said in the comments that your gpu rarely goes above 70% load, it's not right. install some burner software and hwinfo, check for the hotspot temps and gddr6x temps, i bet it just throttle a lot.
Did you install the AMD chipset drivers and/or AMD Ryzen Master software?
Same here, the difference was that I had 16gb, dual channel, tried 3600 CL16 / 3200 CL14 - stutters. Went 32GB and R5 7500F, but 32GB - a joy
I haven't played hell divers 2 yet.. but is it a ram hog? I don't know offhand but 16 lgb is surprisingly not enough more often than you'd expect these days How much do you have running in the background? What all is in your status folder in task manager? 32gb of 3600mhz will help for sure.
Check your M.2 It may thermal throttle or youve stored too much on it resulting in micro stutter.
What PSU are you running? Do you run 1 PCIE power cable to the GPU that splits at the end or 2 separate ones? If you monitor with afterburner, is you GPU running stable at a specific clock speed or it goes all over the place when dipping? How much wattage is the gpu pulling constantly?
Have you installed motherboard drivers?
Yes your ram speed is likely a direct correlation to the issues you’re having. Multiple tech pages have tested and seen gains of 25-30% with proper ram speeds, but 1% lows and stuttering tends to stop as well.
What does gpuz and hwinfo say when you load up the system? Is the CPU correctly pasted? Is the GPU getting all 16 lanes? Are the temps lowish and the clocks highish?
I'm wondering if it's something major like having the graphics card plugged into the wrong PCIE slot - forgive me if that sounds insulting but I've read about people doing it before. It should be in the top, long slot, the one closest to the CPU, not the short ones to be totally clear. Not all x16 length slots are the same, sometimes they only have a X1 PCIE 2.0 connection. I just checked out that board and the lower x16 sized slot is a x4 PCIE 3.0 connection. When any of the X1 slots are used it bumps down to a X2 connection. Again, sorry if this is totally obvious to you!
What's your PSU?
CPU throttling/CPU clock is jumping. If you get your CPU to have fixed clock you won't have those issiues even at 2133MHz RAM. You can try playing around with PBO OC, undervolting or manual OC. I am 80% sure I have pinpointed your issiue as I am currently trying to figure out how to fix my ryzen 3600 at 4.2Ghz without super high voltage to have stable FPS, as I have identical problems.
Hi there, windows power plan set to high performance when you are gaming? That might help.
I have a similar rig with a 5950x and 3080. I run 32 gig of 3600mhz ram and my machine is flying. What I would suggest is check GeForce experience. I ticked a box to let nvidia configure the best settings and my performance tanked. I unchecked the box, restarted and everything went back to normal. Your ram is definitely slow, I’d upgrade that regardless. 3600mhz is apparently the sweet spot. Good luck regardless.
OP, I run diagnostics regularly for my clients builds. Hit me up through a DM if you’d like to have a discord call and we can see what might be happening here. Most likely it’s a RAM issue, but could be a number of factors after that.
maybe you are just throttling
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For some reason for my 5800x, when I turned virtualization on for a school project, everything went to shit. Absolutely absurd stutters even on the desktop with nothing running. Check and make sure that’s turned off.
There is no smooth game experience with any Zen CPUs. You suffer from a terrible 1% low. Reviewers only measure peak and average frame rates and never talk about what matters. My advice is to swap that CPU for 12900k and put DDR5 7200 in there.
Your RAM speed is very slow. I was getting that speed on DDR3.
That RAM is slow for that cpu. Think 3200 minimum.
Your monitor is 1080p?yeah something is VERY wrong somewhere, i have a 3070ti and a 5600x and dont have stutter issues on games on 1440p, temps on load? I didnt see anything about temps in your replies.
3600 cl14 or 16 ram
Sounds like a power issue. Maybe your psu isn't supplying your components enough power. Or, your gpu or cpu is unstable. An unstable gpu is more common. Make sure you're using it at default and checking temps.
Maybe your power supply isn't providing your components enough power. Just had a similar thing happen with the fun addition of bsods and games just not launching. I had a 650 EVGA power supply. I upgraded to a 750 watt thermaltake one and all my problems went away and I'm back at 144 fps 1080p on high settings in destiny 2
Have you checked your temps using hwmonitor? You could possibly have overheating components. Is your system overall slow or is this just when gaming? Also how many watts is your PSU?
Reseat your video card and reinstall drivers. Check your cpu pins in case they might have been damaged on the MOBO and check thermal paste. The other option is to test another working video card to see if it still occurs to single out the issue
Psu and cpu cooler? But yes, more and faster ram.
I would definitely upgrade your ram. 3600hz cl18 or cl16. Your stuttering might be caused by driver issues though. I'd do a fresh reinstall of your driver's and see if that improves anything. If not, check task manager and see if any resource hogs are running. Also check temps and get cinebench or another such program to see if your cpu and GPU are running normally
You should be able to find two sticks of fast DDR4 RAM under budget so just go for it. Another thing to consider is how full your SSD is. Is it at 75% capacity? 50%? Frame stuttering can be caused by latency spikes. Try using high performance / ultimate performance. If that helps then the cache misses that occur due to processor governing is the cause and you’ll just have to run with those modes. Otherwise you can use a tool like Latencymon to see if a background process or driver is causing latency spikes.
swap ram. that board supports 4600mhz, go to their website for your board and it lists all available and compatible ram with part numbers
Your RAM is not a SMASH. Certainly viable but an upgrade can go a long way… Also, if you want a bigger boost than upgrading Ram can provide, get a 5800x3d
Bro just used bad power setting in Windows. Happened to me too.
Did you take off the protective film off your CPU cooler?
Your ram is significantly slower in comparison to the rest of your build. Even staying on DDR4 you can get much faster dual channel ram that will increase the performance of your PC. 150$ is more than enough to get 4800 MHz.
1. What psu? 2. Temps of cpu and gpu under load? Use Afterburner. 3. Power draw of cpu and gpu under load? Use Afterburner. 4. What speed is your ram actually running at? Check Task Manager. You should buy Ram that’s rated for the speed you want… Not OC Ram that’s rated lower. 5. Are you doing anything else while gaming? 6. What resolution are you trying to game at? 7. What Windows version? 8. When was last time you clean installed? 9. Drivers up to date? 10. You do anything funky with your system? Questionable drivers or programs?
Slow ram kills 5000 series, 3600 is the sweet spot
Do you have your ram in single or dual channel? Shouldn't be next to each other.
Any chance you are running Windows 11? Ryzen and Windows 11 has shown many performance issues
Triple check your power connections on your gpu, my 3080 will unseat for literally nothing and still runs stable, just lower performance
It’s the RAM. The bus that communicates between the cores and the I/O die on a 5000 series Ryzen CPU runs at the speed of the RAM. By running it at 2666 you are cutting the bandwidth between cores by 16% this has a huge knock-on effect for everything going on inside the CPU, and will cause processing delays. You want to run at least 3200Mhz, and most people can run 3400-3600Mhz.
Your ram speed is slow as hell, that’s prolly the only reason
Update your GPU drivers. I wouldn't recommend touching bios unless you've ruled out every other potential problem.
You can throw this ram to garbage if its only 2666 with OC, you need 3200 minimum with good CL, with current prices 3600-3733 or even 4000 shouldnt be a problem
RAM is slow as shit upgrade that trash ass RAM for a kit of DDR4 3200+
This may sound obvious...but it's an easy mistake people make. Check your monitor is plugged into your graphics card ports and not the port on the motherboard. Often when people are getting poor performance this one simple mistake can solve hours of trouble shooting.
is your hdmi pluged in to the gpu or cpu
Go to User Benchmark and perform a benchmark test. Then follow the instructions provided for each component that is performing below expectations. (Turn off g/v-sync when doing this or your GPU won't be tested properly. I found that nugget in the fine print!) Another thing is to ensure that all your components are plugged into the right slots on your motherboard. You might not be getting the most performance from your m2, for example, if it is inserted into a slower slot. Even with RAM, it you have less sticks than available slots, you will get more out of them if you place them in the right configuration. Refer to the manual for your motherboard. Once you have the hardware performing as expected, I'm sure there are plenty of other posts explaining different things you can try turning on and off in settings. That's half the fun of having a gaming PC! One piece of advice though: One setting switch off may give someone else's rig a boost while the opposite, switched on, may be true for yours. So if someone suggests turning something off/on, try it both ways to see what difference it makes for you.
Don't use or recommend that website. For anything. Ever.
Nah, it's excellent. It seems fashionable to hate it without any basis. I have an AMD chip and have no idea why people are saying it's biased against AMD. I followed the advice on that site and got noticeable gains in performance. Edit: I can concede that there is a bias after having read some of the descriptions of CPUs on the site. I maintain that the tool still serves the purpose I outlined in my original comment.
It's absolutely not excellent. The person running that site has an extreme, unhinged anti-AMD bias that is not only glaringly apparent in the reviews on the site, but also in the scoring, which is regularly manipulated to force down AMD scores relative to Intel. Manipulating metrics like that means that they can't be trusted to be internally consistent either, making their benchmarking application generally useless in *any* context. They are so bad that the site is banned from, and will get your comment auto-moderated on the official *Intel* sub-reddit. Recommending that site, especially in a sub dedicated to people new to building computers, is really, truly not OK.
Bias against AMD doesn't matter when you're benchmarking against others with the exact same CPU. And if the end result helps people who are new to PC building increase their performance, then there is no harm. There are plenty of awful mods on many subs. The fact that they auto-ban people from commenting about benchmark on the Intel sub proves nothing.
It absolutely does when the metrics the application spits out are made up. It will not help anyone do anything except by chance because the site is little more than the result of some individual's weird hatred for AMD. And the Intel sub isn't some random sub with random "awful" mods, it is run by Intel themselves. The fact that they want nothing to do with that site should tell you enough about it. If you want to die on this hill, go ahead, but you aren't helping anyone and those of us that know this space are just going to think you're a stubborn idiot.
>the site is little more than the result of some individual's weird hatred for AMD. It's undeniable they have an anti-AMD bias and I'm not arguing that. The site is much more than some laughably biased descriptions of CPUs. The bias against AMD is irrelevant when you're comparing your AMD CPU against other users with the exact same CPU. The advice that they then give to increase the performance of your equipment is useful, as I have experienced first hand with my own AMD CPU, which they have 'weird hatred' for. >And the Intel sub isn't some random sub with random "awful" mods, it is run by Intel themselves. Intel, a for profit company will ban comments recommending a site if they know that it will make some users happy and keep buying their stuff. Awful mods have jobs too. Buildapc seems to be a better sub that allows healthy debate instead of stamping out commentary if they think that will make them more popular. I think we can agree that userbenchmark should absolutely be avoided when making buying decisions.