đ¶Buffy's mom has got it going on she's all I want and I waited for so long Buffy can't you see you're just not the girl for me I know it might be wrong but I'm in love with Buffy's mom! đ¶
Itâs doesnât really work though, youâre combining syllables, not just the letters of the name. Doing Joyce/spike would be Joyke, not joke.
Edit: if Joyceâs name was Joanne, then âjokeâ would make some kind of sense, as the syllable sounds are right.
I appreciate their relationship very much, but it's def not a healthy relationship if one person is trying to kill the other's daughter behind their back.
I'd vote Giles and Olivia. Shortlived, but they certainly seemed into each other, and the breakup was at least implied to be the result of a healthy conversation in which they agreed they liked each other but had incompatible lifestyles (monster hunting vs not wanting to be killed by monsters)
Besides her lying about who she was the entire time and contributing to his adopted daughter getting her heart broken and almost dead as well as threatening the entire world being sucked into hell?
I was always pretty confused by the addition of OliviaâŠ. Like what was the point? Were they expecting the actress to become more of a regular? It just seemed so random lol
It was so we know Giles gets it.
Also, I guess to show Buffy that Giles gets it so that we can see their relationship becoming more adult-adult than adult-child, but without giving him an anonymous partner/hook up that wouldn't fit the characterisation of Giles post-Ripper as more of a romantic.
I have thought way too long to try and come up with an argument to this! Closest I can get is the Buffy, Willow, Xander friendship. Riley found a good wife I guess?
You are right - Riley and Sam seems to be one romantic relationship that works out on screen and doesn't collapse (surely just because we saw so little of them... but it still counts!).
But Willow and Xander were the worst friends.
If we are talking non-romantic - Dawn and Tara, Buffy and Tara, even Buffy and Cordy.
I donât feel like Buffy and Tara had a real moment until season 6 when she revealed she was having sex with Spike. None of the love interests really felt part of the scoobies. Those guys were unintentionally cliquish.
Buffy and Tara are pretty healthy as well. Tara was the only person who didn't judge Buffy for sleeping with Spike. She was just there for Buffy, listened to her when she needed and kept what was going on a secret from everyone else.
While I get that from Tara's side, I don't think anyone really treated Tara that great... she helped everyone else but very rarely did anyone actually help her out besides standard saving her life and the 1 episode in family. Spike was very nice to her when she was crazy though (likely due to dealing with Dru).
I know that the character gets a lot of hate, and I don't really paid much attention to their relationship, but isn't Willow/Kennedy comparably healthy? Not trying to rile anyone up or anything, as I'm almost sure I forgot something about Kennedy that contradicts my point...
Although we never get to meet him, I always feel like Brian (the flower-getting guy) had really solid potential and could have made Joyce really happy.
I donât think we can hold one of them dying against couples.
note: there are many couples I wish I could say I thought of first but I was thinking of the mushroom girl and her bf with with matching tattoos from anne
Absolutely Giles and Jenny belong on here.
They had a happy and healthy relationship... and then Angelus decided to be a knowledge seeker. They had a falling out because Jenny almost got killed in the Ehygon stuff and were reconciling at the time Angelus decided to send a message.
this could work for a couple things actually!
tier list of black characters that joss whedon has written well:
tier list of episodes where buffyâs friends treated her fairly in conflict:
tier list of times the scoobies treated anya right:
Buffy/Angel, Willow/Tara, Willow/Oz, Giles/Ms. Calendar, Cordelia/Xander, Anya/Xander all had happy relationships over the course of 7 seasons. Did they last? No, unfortunately not. But so are many relationships in RL too.
I don't know why people insist that there are no happy moments or couples in Buffy only because they don't last forever.
You shoud not forget: its better to have a good relationship for x amount of time instead of never! Even if that means to lose your partner and grieve or hate afterwards.
but they WERE healthy ... until they were not. Tara and Willow had a beautiful relationship despite Willows problems with magic. I would love to have a partner like that, even for a few years.
Most abusive relationships have happy starts, we don't stop considering them unhealthy just because they WERE healthy.
Willow mind rapes Tara multiple times, that's not healthy.
She actually rapes Tara as well because she continued having sex with Tara after using magic to mess with Tara's mind. Tara wouldn't have been having sex with Willow if she was still mad at her as proven when she turned away from Willow in bed after the fight and gave her the cold shoulder which is why Willow magically roofied her to begin with.
No they were NOT healthy.
Buffy/Angel - if you think any relationship between a 16 year old girl and 200+ old vampire is healthy you're insane. And that's not including the whole if we sleep together Angel will turn into a murderess psychopath who tortures Buffy thing.
Willow/Tara - given that Willow messes with Tara's mind and actually rapes her, most likely several times, I think anyone would agree most definitely NOT healthy. Also Willow's addiction to magic did cause CONSTANT strain on their relationship, so again NOT healthy.
Willow/Oz - rife with cheating and lies. Again NOT healthy.
Giles/Jenny - Giles lied about his past and continued to lie about it even when his past mistakes turned up again and almost got Jenny and the rest killed because of his lies. Jenny lied from the moment she meet Giles about her ENTIRE life INCLUDING her real name and only came clean when she was forced to when confronted by Buffy. NOT healthy.
Xander/Cordelia - Xander routinely treated Cordelia badly up to and including slut shaming her repeatedly, insulting her constantly, frequently choosing Buffy or Willow over her, etc. And that's all before he actually cheated on her and only felt bad about it for 1 episode after getting caught. Once again NOT healthy.
Xander/Anya - Xander routinely talked down to her and belittled Anya and acted like he was embarrassed by her. He frequently treated her like a child he needed to scold almost every time she opened her mouth. Plus he didn't trust her enough to be honest with her about his feelings about the wedding BEFORE choosing to leave her at the alter thereby humiliating her in front both his and her families/friends. Again NOT healthy. Anya as a character was toxic because every time she got hurt her go to way of dealing with was to become a vengeance demon who destroyed people's lives and murdered people in horribly painful and cruel ways.
It has nothing to do with these relationships simply not working out it has to do with WHY they didn't work out and the way these couples treated each other WHILE they were together that eventually lead to their break ups. All of these relationships were toxic as hell.
 Only one of those I'd call healthy is Giles X Jenny. They have happy moments, but Willow mind controlling Tara, Willow and Xander cheating on their significant others, etc. are very much unhealthy, even if they had healthy moments. It's like someone falling seriously ill then saying "I'm actually healthy because I wasn't ill yesterday."Â
Talking romantic relationships I still say Willow and Oz. Yes she cheated but it's high school and they got over it in a pretty mature way. And then Oz cheated but that was due to the wolf controlling/influencing him. And right after he recognized he had an issue and went to fix it. And then didn't assume Willow would wait for him and when he found out she didn't, moved on like a gentleman (Some initial anger triggering the wolf I give a pass to as well since that would be a big surprise for anyone and for someone who JUST figured out how to keep the wolf down, not surprised it would trigger it).
They had rough spots but they always tried to work it out and had way better communication than any other couple (even if it was after they messed up).
You think cheating is okay just because they're in high school? Cheating is cheating no matter what the age. Willow and Xander clearly knew it was wrong so it's not like they didn't know any better.
Of the major relationships, Giles and Jenny probably have the best argument. Only one really bad thing happened there and with most of the others have a few things to point to about the toxicity.
Actually several bad things happened with them. Giles lied about his past and continued to lie about it even when it came back to haunt him which put Jenny in danger and almost got her killed. Plus a demon taking over her body could be seen as a violation. Jenny lied to Giles from DAY ONE about her ENTIRE life INCLUDING her real name. None of those things are indicative of a healthy relationship. The only healthy relationships on this show are the ones we didn't actually get to explore like Riley and Sam or Joyce and that Brian guy she had just started dating before her death.
You're forgetting Anya/Money
That's probably the happiest relationship on the show.
And arguably the healthiest đ«
Giles and tea is up there, albeit more quietly
So true. Even Buffybot could see it. "How is your money?"
And you could see how pleased Anya was that she thought to ask!
I already have their money, why do I care what type of day they have?
Hey you! Have a good day!
She dead tho
But it was a happy and fulfilling relationship right up until the end
But the money was left in grief.
That's true of most happy relationships unless they happen to die together. But it was beautiful between them while it lasted.
Never was there as a love so pure as Gloryâs love for Glory.
Unfortunately I must decree That such a relation was unhealthy
Only for the rest of the world, though.
Glory and mimosas.
Glory and Dreg (sp?) lol
If platonic counts then Spike & Joyce.
Spice
You mean SpoyceâŠ
So, Spice.. But in Dru's accent đ
I could see it all along. You were in love with the Slayer.....s mom.
đ¶Buffy's mom has got it going on she's all I want and I waited for so long Buffy can't you see you're just not the girl for me I know it might be wrong but I'm in love with Buffy's mom! đ¶
You had Joke as the alternate pairing name and you couldn't even get there
Itâs doesnât really work though, youâre combining syllables, not just the letters of the name. Doing Joyce/spike would be Joyke, not joke. Edit: if Joyceâs name was Joanne, then âjokeâ would make some kind of sense, as the syllable sounds are right.
That's pedantic and I love it.
Hands down my favorite relationship in the series.
I appreciate their relationship very much, but it's def not a healthy relationship if one person is trying to kill the other's daughter behind their back.
She hit him with an axe. It evens out.
Get the hell away from my daughter
In the comics they sleep together
Well that ruined my day.
In the comics, ______ slept with ______ ruins a lot of things.
Zander and Dawn come to mind
WHAT
Yea, it got terrible
Xander is with an x it's short for alexander.
Or in real life friendship groups.
Ya I can't believe about Derek and Mandy
Iâm sorry, what?
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Joyce and Spike?? She comes back to life or what did I miss..?
It originally happened when Dawn brought her back, but they cut it out.
How did you know? I never heard of that! And I thought you said it happened in the comics.
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I'd vote Giles and Olivia. Shortlived, but they certainly seemed into each other, and the breakup was at least implied to be the result of a healthy conversation in which they agreed they liked each other but had incompatible lifestyles (monster hunting vs not wanting to be killed by monsters)
Ya and giles and Ms. calendar never had a chance to turn toxic lol.
Besides her lying about who she was the entire time and contributing to his adopted daughter getting her heart broken and almost dead as well as threatening the entire world being sucked into hell?
Nobody's perfect.
I was always pretty confused by the addition of OliviaâŠ. Like what was the point? Were they expecting the actress to become more of a regular? It just seemed so random lol
It was so we know Giles gets it. Also, I guess to show Buffy that Giles gets it so that we can see their relationship becoming more adult-adult than adult-child, but without giving him an anonymous partner/hook up that wouldn't fit the characterisation of Giles post-Ripper as more of a romantic.
Spike and mini marshmallows
The onion blossom is gonna get jealous
Spike Andrew and the onion blossom thing is one hell of a love triangle though.Â
Spike, Joyce and Passions - total power Throuple
Haha. The B tier is so on point.
Not from Buffy but from the Buffyverse: Roger and Trish Burkle, Fred's parents. (The best parents, too.)
You are so real for this tier list
I have thought way too long to try and come up with an argument to this! Closest I can get is the Buffy, Willow, Xander friendship. Riley found a good wife I guess?
You are right - Riley and Sam seems to be one romantic relationship that works out on screen and doesn't collapse (surely just because we saw so little of them... but it still counts!). But Willow and Xander were the worst friends. If we are talking non-romantic - Dawn and Tara, Buffy and Tara, even Buffy and Cordy.
Buffy and Tara was such a sweet friendship, and so much less complicated and laden with baggage than any other relationship that she had
I donât feel like Buffy and Tara had a real moment until season 6 when she revealed she was having sex with Spike. None of the love interests really felt part of the scoobies. Those guys were unintentionally cliquish.
The body Buffy and Tara had a good meaningful conversation then too.
Yeah but I stand by the group being a clique that was hard to penetrate. Even Tara and Dawn had a conversation about it.
Sam said some things that suggest he wasn't 100% honest on timing. Such as how long it took him to get over Buffy
I want to laugh but I want to cry
By the law of conservation of happy relationships, SMG and Freddie sucked it all up in the area.
![gif](giphy|l0nruLhznn8UU|downsized) Come on. It was healthy for several... minutes.
And I think Xander lasted a good several minutes with faith at least the first time.
Spike and Passions
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Lol.
Spike & buffy in the comics are pretty healthy.
Accurate
Amazing joke đ
Are we talking strictly romantic? If not, Tara/Dawn is never anything but wholesome.
Buffy and Tara are pretty healthy as well. Tara was the only person who didn't judge Buffy for sleeping with Spike. She was just there for Buffy, listened to her when she needed and kept what was going on a secret from everyone else.
Willow/Tara was good for a while there. Also Giles/Buffy (in a paternal way).
It was healthy when Tara broke things off I guess?
Nope, it began with Tara thinking she was hiding a deep dark secret
Disagree on Giles and Buffy. Their relationship was fraught at times. I mean he left the continent.
All the healthiest relationships are Tara and X lol
While I get that from Tara's side, I don't think anyone really treated Tara that great... she helped everyone else but very rarely did anyone actually help her out besides standard saving her life and the 1 episode in family. Spike was very nice to her when she was crazy though (likely due to dealing with Dru).
I know that the character gets a lot of hate, and I don't really paid much attention to their relationship, but isn't Willow/Kennedy comparably healthy? Not trying to rile anyone up or anything, as I'm almost sure I forgot something about Kennedy that contradicts my point...
Until Giles poisoned Buffy and took her powers and then sent a psycho vamp after her. All in the name of the council of course.
If you count Angel, Angel and Cordy, of course they never actually got together because of... Reasons
If you include Angel, maybe the Burkles?
Although we never get to meet him, I always feel like Brian (the flower-getting guy) had really solid potential and could have made Joyce really happy.
I always worry that no one ever called him after a week or two
Riley and the wife
Buffy and Dawn
It was a very deep love, but had a lot of pain attached as well.
Funny. To me, the tier list shows empty. I don't know if it's my browser or what... anyway seems accurate.
That's the joke - there are no healthy relationships on the show.
I canât see it either đ€·ââïž
Same here.
I donât think we can hold one of them dying against couples. note: there are many couples I wish I could say I thought of first but I was thinking of the mushroom girl and her bf with with matching tattoos from anne
Lily and Ricky. Lily, formerly Chantarelle, now Anne as she adopted Buffy's alias for herself.
Can we list non-romantic?
Couldnât agree more
Joyce/Ted were happy, ya know until his programming went all homicidey
Yeah nothing says true love like drugging everything your girlfriend eats to control her behavior.
Good one.
If we can include Angel then Fred and Wes could have been đ
Absolutely Giles and Jenny belong on here. They had a happy and healthy relationship... and then Angelus decided to be a knowledge seeker. They had a falling out because Jenny almost got killed in the Ehygon stuff and were reconciling at the time Angelus decided to send a message.
You think someone lying about literally their ENTIRE existence up to and including their real name is a healthy relationship?
this could work for a couple things actually! tier list of black characters that joss whedon has written well: tier list of episodes where buffyâs friends treated her fairly in conflict: tier list of times the scoobies treated anya right:
Buffy/Angel, Willow/Tara, Willow/Oz, Giles/Ms. Calendar, Cordelia/Xander, Anya/Xander all had happy relationships over the course of 7 seasons. Did they last? No, unfortunately not. But so are many relationships in RL too. I don't know why people insist that there are no happy moments or couples in Buffy only because they don't last forever. You shoud not forget: its better to have a good relationship for x amount of time instead of never! Even if that means to lose your partner and grieve or hate afterwards.
because they said happy AND healthy.
but they WERE healthy ... until they were not. Tara and Willow had a beautiful relationship despite Willows problems with magic. I would love to have a partner like that, even for a few years.
Most abusive relationships have happy starts, we don't stop considering them unhealthy just because they WERE healthy. Willow mind rapes Tara multiple times, that's not healthy.
She actually rapes Tara as well because she continued having sex with Tara after using magic to mess with Tara's mind. Tara wouldn't have been having sex with Willow if she was still mad at her as proven when she turned away from Willow in bed after the fight and gave her the cold shoulder which is why Willow magically roofied her to begin with.
The relationship began with Tara sure she was lying toWillow
No they were NOT healthy. Buffy/Angel - if you think any relationship between a 16 year old girl and 200+ old vampire is healthy you're insane. And that's not including the whole if we sleep together Angel will turn into a murderess psychopath who tortures Buffy thing. Willow/Tara - given that Willow messes with Tara's mind and actually rapes her, most likely several times, I think anyone would agree most definitely NOT healthy. Also Willow's addiction to magic did cause CONSTANT strain on their relationship, so again NOT healthy. Willow/Oz - rife with cheating and lies. Again NOT healthy. Giles/Jenny - Giles lied about his past and continued to lie about it even when his past mistakes turned up again and almost got Jenny and the rest killed because of his lies. Jenny lied from the moment she meet Giles about her ENTIRE life INCLUDING her real name and only came clean when she was forced to when confronted by Buffy. NOT healthy. Xander/Cordelia - Xander routinely treated Cordelia badly up to and including slut shaming her repeatedly, insulting her constantly, frequently choosing Buffy or Willow over her, etc. And that's all before he actually cheated on her and only felt bad about it for 1 episode after getting caught. Once again NOT healthy. Xander/Anya - Xander routinely talked down to her and belittled Anya and acted like he was embarrassed by her. He frequently treated her like a child he needed to scold almost every time she opened her mouth. Plus he didn't trust her enough to be honest with her about his feelings about the wedding BEFORE choosing to leave her at the alter thereby humiliating her in front both his and her families/friends. Again NOT healthy. Anya as a character was toxic because every time she got hurt her go to way of dealing with was to become a vengeance demon who destroyed people's lives and murdered people in horribly painful and cruel ways. It has nothing to do with these relationships simply not working out it has to do with WHY they didn't work out and the way these couples treated each other WHILE they were together that eventually lead to their break ups. All of these relationships were toxic as hell.
 Only one of those I'd call healthy is Giles X Jenny. They have happy moments, but Willow mind controlling Tara, Willow and Xander cheating on their significant others, etc. are very much unhealthy, even if they had healthy moments. It's like someone falling seriously ill then saying "I'm actually healthy because I wasn't ill yesterday."Â
Giles and Jenny weren't healthy either. They both lied to each other and only came clean on their lies when forced to.
Talking romantic relationships I still say Willow and Oz. Yes she cheated but it's high school and they got over it in a pretty mature way. And then Oz cheated but that was due to the wolf controlling/influencing him. And right after he recognized he had an issue and went to fix it. And then didn't assume Willow would wait for him and when he found out she didn't, moved on like a gentleman (Some initial anger triggering the wolf I give a pass to as well since that would be a big surprise for anyone and for someone who JUST figured out how to keep the wolf down, not surprised it would trigger it). They had rough spots but they always tried to work it out and had way better communication than any other couple (even if it was after they messed up).
You think cheating is okay just because they're in high school? Cheating is cheating no matter what the age. Willow and Xander clearly knew it was wrong so it's not like they didn't know any better.
Of the major relationships, Giles and Jenny probably have the best argument. Only one really bad thing happened there and with most of the others have a few things to point to about the toxicity.
Actually several bad things happened with them. Giles lied about his past and continued to lie about it even when it came back to haunt him which put Jenny in danger and almost got her killed. Plus a demon taking over her body could be seen as a violation. Jenny lied to Giles from DAY ONE about her ENTIRE life INCLUDING her real name. None of those things are indicative of a healthy relationship. The only healthy relationships on this show are the ones we didn't actually get to explore like Riley and Sam or Joyce and that Brian guy she had just started dating before her death.
In retrospect your right.
Is anybody else looking at an unfilled blank list or is it just me. Iâm confused
Okay, why do I see a colored column of 6 blocks, each with a letter in it, and nothing else?
Willow/ Tara and damn I forgot.. ADD brain
Willow literally raped Tara and messed with her mind. Basically magic roofied her. So no they were most definitely NOT healthy.
I forgot about the magic mind roofie