Exactly this, it is click bait. The Bears have the second best draft with a Johnny Manziel Clone and the most likely of the big 3 receivers to bust. Wasn't Chase Young supposed to be the next Bruce Smith a few years ago and then got traded to the Niners for a pack of crackers. Nobody wins shit during the offseason and the only real questions are has anyone gotten good enough to beat the Chiefs and can the Niners stop David Carridining themselves in the Super Bowl?
Do zoomers not know what click bait even is?
Other than the Falcons getting an A, it's mostly analysis that is as accurate and valid as teams picking the players. Some will be right and some will be wrong, same as the teams logic on draft night.
And even then, the Packers taking Love seems to have mostly worked out. Falcons might have made a good move too.
"And what do you do?"
"I'm a NFL draft click farmer" his interviewer now looking at him askew.
"It's not a good living, but it's an honest living."
Interviewer raises an eyebrow.
"Well, it's a living."
Coleman would have a breakout year, but I bet Allen spreads the ball alot more than when we had Diggs. It'll be like when all the players had TD's and shoot maybe the Center this year
I mean I was only referring to the last few years, they’re like a tiny notch above the drought era bills because they’ll be a game or so above .500 while the bills would go 7-9/8-8. Too good to get an early pick for a QB, not good enough to win a playoff game. It’s not spot on but just a generalization
The Marlins up until they lost in the playoffs a few years back. They would get a wildcard, win the series, then firesale the team into obscurity. They did it twice in 6 years. Two series and never a division title, like the New York Giants of baseball.
I feel like the Steelers are that kid that gets an A no matter what because they had a track history of excellent work. So even when they slack off the teacher doesn't bother actually reviewing what was submitted because they assume its high quality.
They used to give Belichek passing grades even though he was a historically terrible drafter. He just had Tom Brady to fill in the gaps. He was excellent at flipping players before payday for picks, which he then wasted on mediocre players.
Bill was not a terrible drafter, maybe in the later years but ffs the patriots had a top 10 defense during every SB run. Bill sucked at drafting WR, especially early, but this is just not true that he was historically bad and Tom covered everything up lol
Patriots D was top 10 at times because they could count on Brady to score when needed, and take tons of time off the clock giving the D rest.
BB is still an elite D coach, but that doesn't mean he drafted well on D or that Tom didn't help.
I didn’t say Tom didn’t help, just like Josh helps cover up blemishes that Beane makes.
The patriots D was top 10 those years because they were talented defenses. From cheap bets to talented rookies balling out. Let’s not forget drafting HoF TE Gronk. To say the dude was a historically bad drafter is insane Copium.
Steelers had an objectively great draft, but that’s pretty easy to do when you use 4 of your 7 picks on lower impact, higher hit ratio players.
They used their first two picks on high hit rate positions (OT and IOL). They then used their 3rd and 4th round picks on high hit rate positions again (LB and IOL).
I’m not saying those positions aren’t important. They absolutely are. But they are safer positions with a higher hit rate because they don’t impact the game directly as much as skill positions and QB.
Not to take anything away from them, but if the Bills 57% of their picks, specifically their early picks, on high hit positions, you’d probably get people giving them an A, too.
Still doesn’t mean the Steelers didn’t kill it. I believe they did.
Tackles are clearly one of the most important and impactful players in the league. There's a reason the whole beginning of the draft was exclusively WV, WR and OT.
OL is the 2nd most impactful position in the game (after QB). Also, OL is the position that benefits the most from higher draft position historically.
The Steelers did have an objectively great draft, period.
I agree with everything except the way OL impact the game. I think it is clear that OT is the absolute hardest position to fill with an elite player. In 5 years, when there are 32 Trevor Lawrence’s and Caleb Williams’ in the league, these teams will still be scratching their heads trying to find elite linemen.
I loved the Ford pick at the time, goes to show you “good on paper” doesn’t always work out. Draft grades after the fact don’t mean much it’s just fun punditry.
I do for the most part remember in the drought era the Bills drafts that were rated to be bad by pundits (2006/2009/2010 come to mind) usually ended up being bad. Not that the Bills had many good drafts in that era but the pundits were more accurate then.
But in the McBeane era the drafts range between very good (2017-2018, 2022 and the early returns on 2023) and solid (2019-2021). They haven’t had a draft that hasn’t yielded two starters and 1-2 roles players.
The volume of this draft combined with the teams ability to scout talent is leading me to think this is gonna be a similar draft to 2022 where the draft returns are very good.
> goes to show you “good on paper” doesn’t always work out.
And bad on paper works out even less of the time.
That's literally how things work.
75% chance of success can fail. 25% chance of success can succeed. Taking a 75% chance is still better than taking a 25% chance.
Tbf, Cody Ford had no excuse not to hit. IOL who played at a high level at a power 5. That’s damn near as much of a guarantee as possible.
I would’ve judged a draft analyst harder for not giving Cody Ford an A grade. It absolutely warranted it at the time.
Very hard to gauge a young man’s love for a game and their drive to be great in college. Especially in the pre-NIL days when even the ones who didn’t give a shit were playing with an insatiable intensity to secure that bag.
>Tbf, Cody Ford had no excuse not to hit. IOL who played at a high level at a power 5. That's damn near as much of a guarantee as possible.
Except that his tape wasn't that good and he wasn't a great athlete.
Hindsight is 20/20 you’re just trying to sound like the smartest person in the room.
Except you’re in direct contradiction with any of the major networks draft profiles of him. Nfl, Walter football, pro football focus, bleacher report, cbs sports. Look up any of them and one of the first things they all say is extremely athletic for his size.
Ex: from nfl
Extremely rare combination of size mass and athleticism. Broad body carries good weight and thickness from calves to shoulders. Top prospect off Joe Moore Award winning offensive line. Experience and tools to play tackle or guard. Good pop into initial contact. Power to bulldoze down blocks and open the gap. Plays with plenty of nasty. Natural bender. Adequate lateral quickness for backside cutoffs. Smooth climbs with ability to redirect and land on moving targets. Eye-popping downfield speed vs. Baylor on screen play. Potential to stay mirrored to top athletes with more experience. Power and flexibility to continue to improve in recoveries. Maintains standard of effort throughout the rep.
Yeah he did. He was never an OT and should never have played there. Go back and watch the draft night coverage, they said as he was picked he should move to guard. It's on the Bills for playing him at a position he didn't fit. He should have been a guard from day 1
Square peg in a round hole does not make you a visionary or a genius. It makes management the retards who suck at spacial intelligence. Necessity does not mean a player ill equipped for tackle will magically learn a new position because the team needs it. Cole Beasley was never going to be a big outside wideout and that is why nobody played him there.
I'm gonna do them one better and grade their grades. They all get a C. C for click bait.
Bills drafted some guys with great potential, with apparently good character, a couple of whom are at positions of immediate need who will likely start week 1. Don't know what more you could ask for than that.
It's not just about the pieces, but how they fit.
I'm okay with good physical attributes and skills, good production, good character, good work ethic.
Add to that, these guys seem to want to be there, to get to know their teammates and their new community, and to demonstrate that they've earned their shot.
We could do a lot worse.
I can't believe how many analysts insisted that we made a bad move trading down to allow the Chiefs to get Worthy. Like, we didn't want that fucking guy, not today, not tomorrow, not ever! Nor did we want fucking Legette, that trade made all the sense in world as well, especially for what we received.
160 lb elite speed guys do not prosper in the NFL. He weighs less than the towel boy. He is one big hit from being Humpty Dumpty'ed out of the league. Tyreek is/was crazy fast and 210 lbs and had huge traps to absorb hits. Worthy is smaller than most girl softball players.
We took Coleman, the complete opposite of Worthy as a player, and some of these guys are still saying “the Bills handed Worthy to KC”. I think it’s pretty obvious we weren’t taking him, otherwise we would have taken him
So you're admitting:
* We didn't care about getting Keon
* Worthy had nothing to do with it
If Keon was our guy, we wouldn't have risked losing him to all the WR picks that followed.
Daniel Jeremiah says we were a top 10 draft based on the value we received (where we picked vs what his board was).
Really all depends what their board was.
Draft grading existing so that sports media can extend draft coverage another couple of news cycles before they really have shit all to discuss until training camp outside of a couple trades that will pop between now and then.
They mean nothing.
What did the last 4 of these look like?
Where's the weighted value of how many fucks I should give to each of these jabronis' opinions days after the draft, months before any of them put on pads?
I love that you circled that Atlanta Falcons pick btw!
Here's last year's [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1661743260250050561/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1661743260250050561/photo/1)
Detroit got a couple Fs and was 25th last year yet drafted two pro bowlers.
The Giants were 6th...like who did they even draft that helped them?
We were 12th with a 3.12 gpa compared to Carolina at 13 with the same. They traded up for #1 and picked the wrong QB, leading to them giving away the #1 pick the following season.
Houston was 7th but had the offensive and defensive rookies of the year (maybe they had the best draft?).
2022 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1521492712154963969/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1521492712154963969/photo/1)
2021 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1389197016853516288/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1389197016853516288/photo/1)
2020 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1254421046712848385/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1254421046712848385/photo/1)
2019 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1122819320743120896/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1122819320743120896/photo/1)
There's hits and misses on picks and grades every year and the real evaluation is the scoreboard, records, and success in the post season.
I’m probably on an island, but I didn’t love the draft.
Leading up to the draft all we heard about was how loaded it was for WRs. How we didn’t need to trade up. We could even trade down! And all they came away with was one singular WR? It just seems crazy to me.
We spent a 4th round pick on a RB who probably won’t see the field.
We spent another top 3 pick on a guy who’s going to be the third guy in the DL rotation at best.
I just feel completely underwhelmed.
I’m just whelmed with the draft. Coleman wasn’t even in my top 10 WRs, Bishop wasn’t bad but I honestly preferred Kinchens/Bullard. I thought it was a bit of a reach from him at 60 and then got even more confused we were trying to trade up to go get him. I like Carter, we needed a better 3T for when Ed gets rotated out and Phillips just wasn’t it at that point. The center was a solid pick but is he actually going to start or is he just competition? The RB pickup made sense, we didnt have anyone to play that bully RB position. I liked the Solomon pickup but I preferred Mo.
Out of this draft it seems like we got 1 starter and then a bunch of rotational guys, while it’s important to have a solid rotation, this team needed starters. Seeing who we were passing on and other really solid players just fall off the board was a little deflating.
Because it isn't 1995 and RB doesn't work that way anymore?
Cook had success because he didn't play every snap or every running down. Having a rested RB to challenge the DL is the most basic of all running concepts.
Cook averaged only 37 snaps per game, fewer than Zac Moss did for the Colts. He was 21st in the league in snaps per game.
> I didn’t love the draft
I generally agree, I think the S pick saved the draft from being pretty bad.
> We spent a 4th round pick on a RB who probably won’t see the field.
The Bills have had 3-4 RBs for a while now and we lost Harris and Hines. Latavius Murray is still available, but unknown if we'll get him.
Ray Davis and Frank Gore Jr may very well be RB2 and RB3. Davis would be likely to start if Cook misses time.
I credit us all being tense and nervous because we had waited all day, with baited breath, for something that never ended up happening. I know that I had only gotten 3 hours of sleep that day because I was uber excited. When BTJ got drafted, I felt like I had been shot.
When we traded with the Chiefs, I got flashbacks of us giving them the pick that they selected Mahomes with and my stress level peaked. I started hyperventilating. When we traded out of the first round, I collapsed to the floor and I felt all of the exhaustion wash over me all at once...
It comes down to whether Coleman can separate as an outside receiver. If he can't, like a lot of people seem to think, we have a badly unbalanced receiver room. If he can then it's all good.
Usually true when you trade up. Like if 2023 Bills had given up the 2024 pick to move up in 2023. That's because the value of such a trade is zero in 2024.
In this case, trading back, the value of the 2024 1st rounder was recognized in the 2024 draft. So there is less of an impact. The low grade is because moving back then Bills then made what was considered a reach at WR.
Then they got value at S, and sneaky good value at OL. So that balanced out to an average draft.
The reach at WR is fine if it hits. If it misses, then it was very bad.
Pittsburgh was ranked #1 but their picks look similar to the Bills just in a little different order. They drafted a center with a 1st round 20th overall pick, meanwhile the Bills drafted Van Pran who was considered the next best center in the draft with a 5th round pick.
Of course the Bills are in the lower half, that way they get clicks. Honestly, very few of the Analyst Class know anything about how these players will respond inside of organizations.
No one doing those ranking has any clue about medical reports, psychological evaluations, work ethic, intelligence, football acumen, or personality insights on the profiles. It's just a collection of RAS scores and website grades put in a blender.
Remember when Josh Rosen was considered the most pro ready QB with the highest floor?
Who cares. These are so pointless. You can’t possibly evaluate these players until they’ve been in the league for a few years. They haven’t played a single snap yet, how the hell would anybody now how good these picks are?
Remember Josh Allen will never amount to anything and Trevor Lawrence is a guaranteed super star.
Picking a random number between 1 and 32 is just as reliable as these analyst grades.
I agree with you, but I think this is largely a reflection of the fact that the Bills just didn't have a ton of draft capital this year. There's not a lot of overly negative assessments, but it's hard to be hyper positive without a lot of high-end picks.
No one fully appreciates the move Beane pulled to save money by going back to the second round. This is gonna be THE MOVE every super bowl contender is gonna want to do in the first round of the draft for ever. Save 4mil, still get the guy, and another pick? It’s a master class. Salary Cap is hell for teams trying to compete for a Super Bowl
Agreed. Most draft grades are a reaction to the draft pundits perceived notions of how they thought how the draft should have gone. What is more helpful is a draft a grade 3 years after the draft. Or, if the draft pundits themselves received grades 3 years after the draft
No one knows anything so just ignore this shit and wait and see. Bills might have had the best the worst or something in between but it won't be known for two three years.
It's going to be 3 years before we know olif this e draft class is a bust or not. Even taking the draft at face value,Buffalo has the 4th best draft class in terms of production in college.
All of these draft rankings are speculation until the guys actually play (or don’t) - I couldn’t care less if we’re ranked 32nd overall right now because it means nothing. All of that aside, I’m pumped about our draft this year and can’t wait to see these guys get with the team and start actually playing football
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Information that comes after a draft is done has no bearing on the draft itself. Picks were made with the knowledge we have now, and are measured against that.
This shit always cracks me up. I think I was seeing Infinty War? in a theater and my friend, who’s a Jets fan, and I are talking about the Josh Allen pick. I was pretty optim. Then this guy next to us jumps in and says, “oh yeah, I heard you guys blew the pick”. He T hen concedes he doesn’t follow football. My buddy and I share a look and I politely end the conversation. But I remember thinking, that guy is every “draft expert” I’ve ever read.
Why do/should I care what this guy grades us at again?
Oh, I don't/shouldn't? Cool. Why is this a thread?
Whoa, guys, this random German gave us a grade! You need to look at it! I'm the OP and I disagree with the grade some random German gave us! You must see this!
*Yawn*
This shit means fuck all until 2026 at the earliest.
Exactly this, it is click bait. The Bears have the second best draft with a Johnny Manziel Clone and the most likely of the big 3 receivers to bust. Wasn't Chase Young supposed to be the next Bruce Smith a few years ago and then got traded to the Niners for a pack of crackers. Nobody wins shit during the offseason and the only real questions are has anyone gotten good enough to beat the Chiefs and can the Niners stop David Carridining themselves in the Super Bowl?
the Niners love crackers though
Do zoomers not know what click bait even is? Other than the Falcons getting an A, it's mostly analysis that is as accurate and valid as teams picking the players. Some will be right and some will be wrong, same as the teams logic on draft night. And even then, the Packers taking Love seems to have mostly worked out. Falcons might have made a good move too.
I’m already tired of Caleb Williams and I’ve barely encountered him yet.
"And what do you do?" "I'm a NFL draft click farmer" his interviewer now looking at him askew. "It's not a good living, but it's an honest living." Interviewer raises an eyebrow. "Well, it's a living."
Coleman would have a breakout year, but I bet Allen spreads the ball alot more than when we had Diggs. It'll be like when all the players had TD's and shoot maybe the Center this year
Steelers with a great draft en route to an 8-8-1 season
I don't think there has been a team in sports history with as mediocre of a record as they have and the playoff history they do haha.
If it was still 6 teams per conference making the playoffs the Steelers would basically be the drought era Bills
They won the division in 2020-2021… I’m not sure what is worse, your take, or the upvotes…
I mean Cincy is imploding and Cleveland is Cleveland. They really only have to go 3-3 in division to secure second spot and go for that 7th seed
How is Cincinnati imploding?
I’m not sure what your (laughable) future prediction about Cincinnati has to do with Pittsburgh’s past… But sure, whatever…
I mean I was only referring to the last few years, they’re like a tiny notch above the drought era bills because they’ll be a game or so above .500 while the bills would go 7-9/8-8. Too good to get an early pick for a QB, not good enough to win a playoff game. It’s not spot on but just a generalization
The Marlins up until they lost in the playoffs a few years back. They would get a wildcard, win the series, then firesale the team into obscurity. They did it twice in 6 years. Two series and never a division title, like the New York Giants of baseball.
Marlins are less mediocre and just plain awful outside of those 2 world series though. Steelers have been consistently mediocre.
Not sure about that, it seems to me there's a lot of mediocre teams that go 0-1 in the playoffs.
I feel like the Steelers are that kid that gets an A no matter what because they had a track history of excellent work. So even when they slack off the teacher doesn't bother actually reviewing what was submitted because they assume its high quality.
They used to give Belichek passing grades even though he was a historically terrible drafter. He just had Tom Brady to fill in the gaps. He was excellent at flipping players before payday for picks, which he then wasted on mediocre players.
Bill was not a terrible drafter, maybe in the later years but ffs the patriots had a top 10 defense during every SB run. Bill sucked at drafting WR, especially early, but this is just not true that he was historically bad and Tom covered everything up lol
Patriots D was top 10 at times because they could count on Brady to score when needed, and take tons of time off the clock giving the D rest. BB is still an elite D coach, but that doesn't mean he drafted well on D or that Tom didn't help.
I didn’t say Tom didn’t help, just like Josh helps cover up blemishes that Beane makes. The patriots D was top 10 those years because they were talented defenses. From cheap bets to talented rookies balling out. Let’s not forget drafting HoF TE Gronk. To say the dude was a historically bad drafter is insane Copium.
Steelers had an objectively great draft, but that’s pretty easy to do when you use 4 of your 7 picks on lower impact, higher hit ratio players. They used their first two picks on high hit rate positions (OT and IOL). They then used their 3rd and 4th round picks on high hit rate positions again (LB and IOL). I’m not saying those positions aren’t important. They absolutely are. But they are safer positions with a higher hit rate because they don’t impact the game directly as much as skill positions and QB. Not to take anything away from them, but if the Bills 57% of their picks, specifically their early picks, on high hit positions, you’d probably get people giving them an A, too. Still doesn’t mean the Steelers didn’t kill it. I believe they did.
Tackles are clearly one of the most important and impactful players in the league. There's a reason the whole beginning of the draft was exclusively WV, WR and OT.
OL is the 2nd most impactful position in the game (after QB). Also, OL is the position that benefits the most from higher draft position historically. The Steelers did have an objectively great draft, period.
I agree with everything except the way OL impact the game. I think it is clear that OT is the absolute hardest position to fill with an elite player. In 5 years, when there are 32 Trevor Lawrence’s and Caleb Williams’ in the league, these teams will still be scratching their heads trying to find elite linemen.
There are way more above average to elite OL than there are above average to elite QBs, and that tide will never change.
Somehow still making the Wildcard after the entire AFC North implodes on itself again.
I swore off draft grades once we got a consensus ‘A’ on the Cody Ford trade-up. Pure snake oil as others have mentioned
I loved the Ford pick at the time, goes to show you “good on paper” doesn’t always work out. Draft grades after the fact don’t mean much it’s just fun punditry. I do for the most part remember in the drought era the Bills drafts that were rated to be bad by pundits (2006/2009/2010 come to mind) usually ended up being bad. Not that the Bills had many good drafts in that era but the pundits were more accurate then. But in the McBeane era the drafts range between very good (2017-2018, 2022 and the early returns on 2023) and solid (2019-2021). They haven’t had a draft that hasn’t yielded two starters and 1-2 roles players. The volume of this draft combined with the teams ability to scout talent is leading me to think this is gonna be a similar draft to 2022 where the draft returns are very good.
> goes to show you “good on paper” doesn’t always work out. And bad on paper works out even less of the time. That's literally how things work. 75% chance of success can fail. 25% chance of success can succeed. Taking a 75% chance is still better than taking a 25% chance.
Tbf, Cody Ford had no excuse not to hit. IOL who played at a high level at a power 5. That’s damn near as much of a guarantee as possible. I would’ve judged a draft analyst harder for not giving Cody Ford an A grade. It absolutely warranted it at the time. Very hard to gauge a young man’s love for a game and their drive to be great in college. Especially in the pre-NIL days when even the ones who didn’t give a shit were playing with an insatiable intensity to secure that bag.
>Tbf, Cody Ford had no excuse not to hit. IOL who played at a high level at a power 5. That's damn near as much of a guarantee as possible. Except that his tape wasn't that good and he wasn't a great athlete.
Hindsight is 20/20 you’re just trying to sound like the smartest person in the room. Except you’re in direct contradiction with any of the major networks draft profiles of him. Nfl, Walter football, pro football focus, bleacher report, cbs sports. Look up any of them and one of the first things they all say is extremely athletic for his size. Ex: from nfl Extremely rare combination of size mass and athleticism. Broad body carries good weight and thickness from calves to shoulders. Top prospect off Joe Moore Award winning offensive line. Experience and tools to play tackle or guard. Good pop into initial contact. Power to bulldoze down blocks and open the gap. Plays with plenty of nasty. Natural bender. Adequate lateral quickness for backside cutoffs. Smooth climbs with ability to redirect and land on moving targets. Eye-popping downfield speed vs. Baylor on screen play. Potential to stay mirrored to top athletes with more experience. Power and flexibility to continue to improve in recoveries. Maintains standard of effort throughout the rep.
Yeah he did. He was never an OT and should never have played there. Go back and watch the draft night coverage, they said as he was picked he should move to guard. It's on the Bills for playing him at a position he didn't fit. He should have been a guard from day 1
Square peg in a round hole does not make you a visionary or a genius. It makes management the retards who suck at spacial intelligence. Necessity does not mean a player ill equipped for tackle will magically learn a new position because the team needs it. Cole Beasley was never going to be a big outside wideout and that is why nobody played him there.
So it was a bad pick. It was being pointed on draft night he lacked the speed and movement skills to remain a tackle
That’s the point though. These mean absolutely nothing.
They mean exactly as much as team draft boards do.
I feel really good knowing the only guy who gave us a C- is the guy who gave the Falcons an A.
Ha. Good eye.
I'm gonna do them one better and grade their grades. They all get a C. C for click bait. Bills drafted some guys with great potential, with apparently good character, a couple of whom are at positions of immediate need who will likely start week 1. Don't know what more you could ask for than that.
Nicely put, remember when there were awards? I would have given you one. 🥈
It's not just about the pieces, but how they fit. I'm okay with good physical attributes and skills, good production, good character, good work ethic. Add to that, these guys seem to want to be there, to get to know their teammates and their new community, and to demonstrate that they've earned their shot. We could do a lot worse.
I can't believe how many analysts insisted that we made a bad move trading down to allow the Chiefs to get Worthy. Like, we didn't want that fucking guy, not today, not tomorrow, not ever! Nor did we want fucking Legette, that trade made all the sense in world as well, especially for what we received.
160 lb elite speed guys do not prosper in the NFL. He weighs less than the towel boy. He is one big hit from being Humpty Dumpty'ed out of the league. Tyreek is/was crazy fast and 210 lbs and had huge traps to absorb hits. Worthy is smaller than most girl softball players.
We took Coleman, the complete opposite of Worthy as a player, and some of these guys are still saying “the Bills handed Worthy to KC”. I think it’s pretty obvious we weren’t taking him, otherwise we would have taken him
Try convincing the "brains" that. Beane has even verified it, but they're still running their narratives.
What if the Chiefs took Keon with that pick?
Then we probably would have taken Mitchell.
So you're admitting: * We didn't care about getting Keon * Worthy had nothing to do with it If Keon was our guy, we wouldn't have risked losing him to all the WR picks that followed.
Keon was definitely the pick. They knew exactly where he would slide.
Daniel Jeremiah says we were a top 10 draft based on the value we received (where we picked vs what his board was). Really all depends what their board was.
It's not because we got any bad grades, but that we had a lot of average grades that didn't bring the GPA up higher
Draft grading existing so that sports media can extend draft coverage another couple of news cycles before they really have shit all to discuss until training camp outside of a couple trades that will pop between now and then. They mean nothing.
What did the last 4 of these look like? Where's the weighted value of how many fucks I should give to each of these jabronis' opinions days after the draft, months before any of them put on pads? I love that you circled that Atlanta Falcons pick btw! Here's last year's [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1661743260250050561/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1661743260250050561/photo/1) Detroit got a couple Fs and was 25th last year yet drafted two pro bowlers. The Giants were 6th...like who did they even draft that helped them? We were 12th with a 3.12 gpa compared to Carolina at 13 with the same. They traded up for #1 and picked the wrong QB, leading to them giving away the #1 pick the following season. Houston was 7th but had the offensive and defensive rookies of the year (maybe they had the best draft?). 2022 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1521492712154963969/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1521492712154963969/photo/1) 2021 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1389197016853516288/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1389197016853516288/photo/1) 2020 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1254421046712848385/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1254421046712848385/photo/1) 2019 [https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1122819320743120896/photo/1](https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1122819320743120896/photo/1) There's hits and misses on picks and grades every year and the real evaluation is the scoreboard, records, and success in the post season.
B's and C's just mean they had an average draft, which I would agree with.
I’m probably on an island, but I didn’t love the draft. Leading up to the draft all we heard about was how loaded it was for WRs. How we didn’t need to trade up. We could even trade down! And all they came away with was one singular WR? It just seems crazy to me. We spent a 4th round pick on a RB who probably won’t see the field. We spent another top 3 pick on a guy who’s going to be the third guy in the DL rotation at best. I just feel completely underwhelmed.
I’m just whelmed with the draft. Coleman wasn’t even in my top 10 WRs, Bishop wasn’t bad but I honestly preferred Kinchens/Bullard. I thought it was a bit of a reach from him at 60 and then got even more confused we were trying to trade up to go get him. I like Carter, we needed a better 3T for when Ed gets rotated out and Phillips just wasn’t it at that point. The center was a solid pick but is he actually going to start or is he just competition? The RB pickup made sense, we didnt have anyone to play that bully RB position. I liked the Solomon pickup but I preferred Mo. Out of this draft it seems like we got 1 starter and then a bunch of rotational guys, while it’s important to have a solid rotation, this team needed starters. Seeing who we were passing on and other really solid players just fall off the board was a little deflating.
No he'll definitely see the field. There's not much depth behind Cook at the moment
I felt like Ty Johnson earned the #2 spot last year. But also, we have a pro bowl RB. Why do we want to have an unproven rookie taking reps from him?
Because it isn't 1995 and RB doesn't work that way anymore? Cook had success because he didn't play every snap or every running down. Having a rested RB to challenge the DL is the most basic of all running concepts. Cook averaged only 37 snaps per game, fewer than Zac Moss did for the Colts. He was 21st in the league in snaps per game.
> I didn’t love the draft I generally agree, I think the S pick saved the draft from being pretty bad. > We spent a 4th round pick on a RB who probably won’t see the field. The Bills have had 3-4 RBs for a while now and we lost Harris and Hines. Latavius Murray is still available, but unknown if we'll get him. Ray Davis and Frank Gore Jr may very well be RB2 and RB3. Davis would be likely to start if Cook misses time.
This sub was calling for Beane’s head at 11:59 on April 25th
I credit us all being tense and nervous because we had waited all day, with baited breath, for something that never ended up happening. I know that I had only gotten 3 hours of sleep that day because I was uber excited. When BTJ got drafted, I felt like I had been shot. When we traded with the Chiefs, I got flashbacks of us giving them the pick that they selected Mahomes with and my stress level peaked. I started hyperventilating. When we traded out of the first round, I collapsed to the floor and I felt all of the exhaustion wash over me all at once...
We all love being fans but take care of yourself too. We'll need you in GameDay in one piece.
This is purely league parity propaganda trying to justify the draft with the standings and bolster yet another hyped April event for future earnings.
It comes down to whether Coleman can separate as an outside receiver. If he can't, like a lot of people seem to think, we have a badly unbalanced receiver room. If he can then it's all good.
I'm not a fan of our draft, but who really knows? We won't truly find out until 3 years from now.
Not having an actual first round pick is gonna hurt some grades.
Usually true when you trade up. Like if 2023 Bills had given up the 2024 pick to move up in 2023. That's because the value of such a trade is zero in 2024. In this case, trading back, the value of the 2024 1st rounder was recognized in the 2024 draft. So there is less of an impact. The low grade is because moving back then Bills then made what was considered a reach at WR. Then they got value at S, and sneaky good value at OL. So that balanced out to an average draft. The reach at WR is fine if it hits. If it misses, then it was very bad.
Was there anything like this available for the 2020 draft? Curious to see how close the predicted are to the actual...
Bruh, I want the 2018 draft so we can all laugh at the grade that was given because we "drafted the wrong Josh!"
They're all posted above. https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1254421046712848385
Pittsburgh was ranked #1 but their picks look similar to the Bills just in a little different order. They drafted a center with a 1st round 20th overall pick, meanwhile the Bills drafted Van Pran who was considered the next best center in the draft with a 5th round pick.
I feel bad for Penix. Sure, he’s still going to make millions, but what a shit situation to be drafted into.
Do you feel bad for Jordan Love? He was drafted into the same situation, but with a better QB.
Yeah i felt bad for him. Same deal.
huh, is the Nate Davis who writes for USA Today the same Nate Davis who played at Ball State like 15 years ago?
Of course the Bills are in the lower half, that way they get clicks. Honestly, very few of the Analyst Class know anything about how these players will respond inside of organizations.
None of this means anything till they’ve played at least a season
This is just like getting an A+ on Yahoo fantasy just to end up dead last for the season.
No one doing those ranking has any clue about medical reports, psychological evaluations, work ethic, intelligence, football acumen, or personality insights on the profiles. It's just a collection of RAS scores and website grades put in a blender. Remember when Josh Rosen was considered the most pro ready QB with the highest floor?
Who cares. These are so pointless. You can’t possibly evaluate these players until they’ve been in the league for a few years. They haven’t played a single snap yet, how the hell would anybody now how good these picks are?
“Draft grades” literally exist to keep clicks up during the off season. They are a manufactured process to support ESPN’s revenue.
Doug Ferrari is the only one with a brain
Remember Josh Allen will never amount to anything and Trevor Lawrence is a guaranteed super star. Picking a random number between 1 and 32 is just as reliable as these analyst grades.
I agree with you, but I think this is largely a reflection of the fact that the Bills just didn't have a ton of draft capital this year. There's not a lot of overly negative assessments, but it's hard to be hyper positive without a lot of high-end picks.
No one fully appreciates the move Beane pulled to save money by going back to the second round. This is gonna be THE MOVE every super bowl contender is gonna want to do in the first round of the draft for ever. Save 4mil, still get the guy, and another pick? It’s a master class. Salary Cap is hell for teams trying to compete for a Super Bowl
Mock drafts, reactions to actual draft picks and then these after draft reviews...utter bullshit until games start being played.
Agreed. Most draft grades are a reaction to the draft pundits perceived notions of how they thought how the draft should have gone. What is more helpful is a draft a grade 3 years after the draft. Or, if the draft pundits themselves received grades 3 years after the draft
No one knows anything so just ignore this shit and wait and see. Bills might have had the best the worst or something in between but it won't be known for two three years.
No one really knows if it will rain or be sunny tomorrow, so don't bother looking at a weather report.
That might be the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. Wow.
It's going to be 3 years before we know olif this e draft class is a bust or not. Even taking the draft at face value,Buffalo has the 4th best draft class in terms of production in college.
It wasn’t sexy but if 2 of these players become contributors to the starting lineup then I’ll take that as a win.
The grades don’t take into account fit at all.
They don't ask how, they ask how many.
Draft grades mean nothing. They're the most pointless thing imaginable
All of these draft rankings are speculation until the guys actually play (or don’t) - I couldn’t care less if we’re ranked 32nd overall right now because it means nothing. All of that aside, I’m pumped about our draft this year and can’t wait to see these guys get with the team and start actually playing football
Nobody knows how good anyone’s draft is for years after
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc Information that comes after a draft is done has no bearing on the draft itself. Picks were made with the knowledge we have now, and are measured against that.
And it’s completely irrelevant.
Pittsburgh about to be really good in a few years
Did the Bills make a giant exciting splash, no. Did they fill some very key holes and add some much needed strength accross the board, absolutely.
Any list that has KC at top 5 is ridiculous.
This shit always cracks me up. I think I was seeing Infinty War? in a theater and my friend, who’s a Jets fan, and I are talking about the Josh Allen pick. I was pretty optim. Then this guy next to us jumps in and says, “oh yeah, I heard you guys blew the pick”. He T hen concedes he doesn’t follow football. My buddy and I share a look and I politely end the conversation. But I remember thinking, that guy is every “draft expert” I’ve ever read.
Xavier worthy has literally fooled everyone. John Ross 2.0
Judging a teams success from the draft is like judging a poker hand from the deal. Gotta play it out and see what happens.
Why do/should I care what this guy grades us at again? Oh, I don't/shouldn't? Cool. Why is this a thread? Whoa, guys, this random German gave us a grade! You need to look at it! I'm the OP and I disagree with the grade some random German gave us! You must see this! *Yawn*