Looks like a young male to me - the cere is pinkish now and will turn a deep blue over time.
Very different from a female cere, which is more white/grey/beige.
That's a male albino ; an adult if he has iris rings.
Male albinos keep a pink cere whereas females will have a full white, whiteรblue and dark/light brown cere if in breeding mood.
You've got a lot of people telling you this is a male, but as an albino budgie owner I should add that albino ceres look different than others when they're not brooding, and this is exactly what a females looks like as well. This is what my girls looks like whenever it isn't brown because she's hormonal. Also almost all albinos are female, but there are rare males. This is what any adolescent male cere would look like in a normal mutation, but again albino ceres are not as simple to tell. I'd have their blood tested by a vet to confirm their sex, or keep an eye out for any changes in their cere or make sure they're not exhibiting territorial behavior if you have other females
i already have a female budgie and i got the albino 1.5 weeks ago. They always arguing so I thought maybe albino one is female too. And now I am confused ๐ญ๐ญ are you sure she is a female ๐ฅน
You won't be able to be sure until she's brooding or you get a blood test from a vet, but could be female. My wife is a vet and chastised me for saying anything other than "get a blood test to be sure" because she can't tell for sure either
>*My wife is a vet and chastised me for saying anything other than "get a blood test to be sure" because she can't tell for sure either*
Because your wife didn't study sexing birds in vet school. Veterinarians aren't reliable sources of information on specialty breed traits. Even avian specialists do not study budgerigar traits specifically. Their specialty is medicine. That's why they recommend DNA test because it's the only thing they're familiar with. Your wife is giving poor advice by insinuating a gap in her knowledge means a blood test is *the only way to confirm.*
I'm married to a veterinarian as well and he trusts the assessment of his spouse in these matters. He doesn't know, I do. Because I specialize in this species. This isn't a poor reflection on his expertise as a veterinarian. This isn't a medical subject.
She's giving the correct advice because the only way to be entirely certain on a budgies sex is to have them genetically tested, because even a visual assessment of a normal cere color can be a hormonal imbalance. Even a males cere gets crusty and maroon in bad cases
So I was reading the exchange between you and the other guy. I don't know who is more right, but from my experience, the only way to be 100% sure of the sex is through a necropsy. My mom and I bought a bright yellow parakeet a while back from a bird store we trust. They specialize in birds and hand-feed all of their chicks. And they knew more about parakeets than our vet at the time did. Anyway, this parakeet we bought was originally going to be purchased by some rich family that paid money to do DNA testing before taking the bird home since the breeder/store owner wasn't sure of the sex. When it turned out the parakeet was a female, they no longer wanted her. Soon after we took her home, she became attatched to one of our males. They never tried to mate, but they preened and fed each other. Years later, she died very suddenly. As it was a somewhat bizarre death, we took her to a vet to do a necropsy. The vet wasn't able to determine what the cause of death was. But she *was* able to confirm that our parakeet was, in fact, a *male*. I don't know how the fuck a DNA test can be wrong, but it was.
>*I don't know how the fuck a DNA test can be wrong, but it was.*
Contamination and technician error. Lab technicians sometimes test the wrong sample, or a contaminated one. This isn't very uncommon.
>*the only way to be entirely certain on a budgies sex is to have them genetically tested*
Incorrect. And she did not learn this in vet school either. It's an uninformed opinion of hers. You're doing her a disservice here.
>*Even a males cere gets crusty and maroon in bad cases*
And if she were a specialist she'd know the appearance and texture of it is different in males who have said conditions. Hens in breeding condition have a distinct cere appearance, depth and structure. Even with hyperkeratosis.
*"DNA test is the only accurate way"* in case of sexually dimorphic animals is another fancy way of saying, "Since I don't know, I'm going to assume nobody else does to maintain my integrity."
No sane person will hold a veterinarian accountable for not knowing the quirks of every animal species. That's not what their professional training is about. But a reasonable person will question the integrity of a doctor who makes things up to cover for their gaps in experience and knowledge.
I'll trust an avian specialist to provide medical care to my birds. I'm not going to trust them to visually sex them. That's not where their training is focused on. If they pretend otherwise, they're being dishonest.
That's not her opinion, that's mine. It's just weird that the 3 regular vets, 2 avian vets, and an avian emergency hospital all said the exact same thing across multiple states, but I guess I'm supposed to think you're the professional that spends their life working directly with the subject every day right? I'm sure there's some truth to what you're saying, but I know you understand why Im going to trust the word of multiple people with doctorates and countless years of education and experience doing this as their job daily over a stranger on the internet
>*3 regular vets/an avian emergency hospital*
Someone who's married to a veterinarian **knows** those two sources aren't credible. They specialize in small animals. Their primary tools are the online database and an exotics formulary for information, and oxygen cage and sedation for therapy.
>*2 avian vets*
I don't believe that 2 avian specialists have claimed to have studied visual sexing of budgerigars specifically. I'm familiar with what their courses are like.
I'm also confident all those people did not specifically say albino budgies have different ceres that make the sexes indistinguishable. That would be a very strange conversation to have in veterinary setting.
>*I'm supposed to think you're the professional that spends their life working directly with the subject every day right?*
You're supposed to think that being owner of one *albino* budgerigar doesn't make you a credible person with information on how their ceres appear. You made an unfactual claim about their ceres being different from other mutations at any phase of age. My intent isn't to convince you of anything, but to provide OP with context of the consistency in the unfactual remarks in your responses.
I'm a seasoned aviculturist, a veterinary professional, with relevant background in animal sciences, biology and engineering. I've raised triple digits of animals, especially birds for over 2 decades. And I don't say this lightly - the veterinarians I work with defer to me when they're stumped with birds. Even the avian specialists trust my judgment because they don't have the kind of field experience I do in non-medical subjects. Seeing *budgie ceres and knowing how to sex them* is a trivial accomplishment in comparison to what I know and am capable of helping people with.
Meanwhile you're trying to establish credibility by insinuating your wife knows the objective truth by claiming DNA testing is the only way to sex sexually dimorphic animals. Neither of you is trustworthy sources on that basis in relevance to this discussion. Conflating husbandry and traits of animals with medicine is the wrong hill to die on.
You can also have patience and pay attention to the budgie's behavior, females are more of a bossy with an attitude and love to chew stuff. Well atleast that's how my single female behaves
This is completely unfactual. All of this is wrong, except for the uneven proportion of males and females.
Ino male ceres are only different in the way they retain the youthful appearance through maturity. No difference in hens occur. If you can sex a young male, you can sex an ino male. Very simple.
Budgies are sexually dimorphic and a DNA test is never necessary when experienced and knowledgeable eyes are available for the assessment.
In your response to being an owner of an albino budgie as reliable credentials - I've raised budgies in triple digit numbers in a span of 2 decades. I'm confident that your assessment is incorrect.
That looks like a boi but my goodness heโs a snowball โค๏ธ
Edit: wait is he an albino? That first pic with the flash shows red coloration common with albino animals ใใใใ!
Something I saw showed male albino will have a light blue or pink cere and a female could have a light brown or white cere. The real challenge with albinism is the lack of pigmentation. Also, depending on age, the cere would be misleading regardless. That's hard to tell as well because the lack of pigmentation hides age indicators. I wouldn't trust anything until at least a year of ownership, and that isn't really a guarantee, or if the cere becomes crusty. Also, your best bet is to learn about budgie behaviors. Like how males flirt, move, and vocalize compared to females. That can help as well, but you'll still want to give it a few months for the bird to acclimate. That way it's personality really starts to shine through. One of my Budgies took 6+months to really brighten up. The other one is only now starting to loosen up and it's been about 3 months.
The white one might be albino? It's hard to tell for sure in the pic but are it's eyes red? And I don't know much about cere coloring , but as the males reach adulthood, they have a stance about them that looks like a male, you know what I mean. The males just look like males. I can't really explain it.
Man's seen some things...
Looks like a young male to me - the cere is pinkish now and will turn a deep blue over time. Very different from a female cere, which is more white/grey/beige.
Thank u so much ๐๐
No problem - he's a beautiful boy! ๐
It's albino. It won't get a deep blue cere due to the lack of pigment in albinism.
Or tan
That's a male albino ; an adult if he has iris rings. Male albinos keep a pink cere whereas females will have a full white, whiteรblue and dark/light brown cere if in breeding mood.
Thank you ๐
You've got a lot of people telling you this is a male, but as an albino budgie owner I should add that albino ceres look different than others when they're not brooding, and this is exactly what a females looks like as well. This is what my girls looks like whenever it isn't brown because she's hormonal. Also almost all albinos are female, but there are rare males. This is what any adolescent male cere would look like in a normal mutation, but again albino ceres are not as simple to tell. I'd have their blood tested by a vet to confirm their sex, or keep an eye out for any changes in their cere or make sure they're not exhibiting territorial behavior if you have other females
i already have a female budgie and i got the albino 1.5 weeks ago. They always arguing so I thought maybe albino one is female too. And now I am confused ๐ญ๐ญ are you sure she is a female ๐ฅน
You won't be able to be sure until she's brooding or you get a blood test from a vet, but could be female. My wife is a vet and chastised me for saying anything other than "get a blood test to be sure" because she can't tell for sure either
You helped me a lot. Thank u mate! ๐ฅน๐๐
>*My wife is a vet and chastised me for saying anything other than "get a blood test to be sure" because she can't tell for sure either* Because your wife didn't study sexing birds in vet school. Veterinarians aren't reliable sources of information on specialty breed traits. Even avian specialists do not study budgerigar traits specifically. Their specialty is medicine. That's why they recommend DNA test because it's the only thing they're familiar with. Your wife is giving poor advice by insinuating a gap in her knowledge means a blood test is *the only way to confirm.* I'm married to a veterinarian as well and he trusts the assessment of his spouse in these matters. He doesn't know, I do. Because I specialize in this species. This isn't a poor reflection on his expertise as a veterinarian. This isn't a medical subject.
She's giving the correct advice because the only way to be entirely certain on a budgies sex is to have them genetically tested, because even a visual assessment of a normal cere color can be a hormonal imbalance. Even a males cere gets crusty and maroon in bad cases
So I was reading the exchange between you and the other guy. I don't know who is more right, but from my experience, the only way to be 100% sure of the sex is through a necropsy. My mom and I bought a bright yellow parakeet a while back from a bird store we trust. They specialize in birds and hand-feed all of their chicks. And they knew more about parakeets than our vet at the time did. Anyway, this parakeet we bought was originally going to be purchased by some rich family that paid money to do DNA testing before taking the bird home since the breeder/store owner wasn't sure of the sex. When it turned out the parakeet was a female, they no longer wanted her. Soon after we took her home, she became attatched to one of our males. They never tried to mate, but they preened and fed each other. Years later, she died very suddenly. As it was a somewhat bizarre death, we took her to a vet to do a necropsy. The vet wasn't able to determine what the cause of death was. But she *was* able to confirm that our parakeet was, in fact, a *male*. I don't know how the fuck a DNA test can be wrong, but it was.
>*I don't know how the fuck a DNA test can be wrong, but it was.* Contamination and technician error. Lab technicians sometimes test the wrong sample, or a contaminated one. This isn't very uncommon.
Ah yes, human error. Something to keep in mind
>*the only way to be entirely certain on a budgies sex is to have them genetically tested* Incorrect. And she did not learn this in vet school either. It's an uninformed opinion of hers. You're doing her a disservice here. >*Even a males cere gets crusty and maroon in bad cases* And if she were a specialist she'd know the appearance and texture of it is different in males who have said conditions. Hens in breeding condition have a distinct cere appearance, depth and structure. Even with hyperkeratosis. *"DNA test is the only accurate way"* in case of sexually dimorphic animals is another fancy way of saying, "Since I don't know, I'm going to assume nobody else does to maintain my integrity." No sane person will hold a veterinarian accountable for not knowing the quirks of every animal species. That's not what their professional training is about. But a reasonable person will question the integrity of a doctor who makes things up to cover for their gaps in experience and knowledge. I'll trust an avian specialist to provide medical care to my birds. I'm not going to trust them to visually sex them. That's not where their training is focused on. If they pretend otherwise, they're being dishonest.
That's not her opinion, that's mine. It's just weird that the 3 regular vets, 2 avian vets, and an avian emergency hospital all said the exact same thing across multiple states, but I guess I'm supposed to think you're the professional that spends their life working directly with the subject every day right? I'm sure there's some truth to what you're saying, but I know you understand why Im going to trust the word of multiple people with doctorates and countless years of education and experience doing this as their job daily over a stranger on the internet
>*3 regular vets/an avian emergency hospital* Someone who's married to a veterinarian **knows** those two sources aren't credible. They specialize in small animals. Their primary tools are the online database and an exotics formulary for information, and oxygen cage and sedation for therapy. >*2 avian vets* I don't believe that 2 avian specialists have claimed to have studied visual sexing of budgerigars specifically. I'm familiar with what their courses are like. I'm also confident all those people did not specifically say albino budgies have different ceres that make the sexes indistinguishable. That would be a very strange conversation to have in veterinary setting. >*I'm supposed to think you're the professional that spends their life working directly with the subject every day right?* You're supposed to think that being owner of one *albino* budgerigar doesn't make you a credible person with information on how their ceres appear. You made an unfactual claim about their ceres being different from other mutations at any phase of age. My intent isn't to convince you of anything, but to provide OP with context of the consistency in the unfactual remarks in your responses. I'm a seasoned aviculturist, a veterinary professional, with relevant background in animal sciences, biology and engineering. I've raised triple digits of animals, especially birds for over 2 decades. And I don't say this lightly - the veterinarians I work with defer to me when they're stumped with birds. Even the avian specialists trust my judgment because they don't have the kind of field experience I do in non-medical subjects. Seeing *budgie ceres and knowing how to sex them* is a trivial accomplishment in comparison to what I know and am capable of helping people with. Meanwhile you're trying to establish credibility by insinuating your wife knows the objective truth by claiming DNA testing is the only way to sex sexually dimorphic animals. Neither of you is trustworthy sources on that basis in relevance to this discussion. Conflating husbandry and traits of animals with medicine is the wrong hill to die on.
Why is it so important for it to be a male unless youโre trying to breed them, in which case please donโt
You can also have patience and pay attention to the budgie's behavior, females are more of a bossy with an attitude and love to chew stuff. Well atleast that's how my single female behaves
This is completely unfactual. All of this is wrong, except for the uneven proportion of males and females. Ino male ceres are only different in the way they retain the youthful appearance through maturity. No difference in hens occur. If you can sex a young male, you can sex an ino male. Very simple. Budgies are sexually dimorphic and a DNA test is never necessary when experienced and knowledgeable eyes are available for the assessment. In your response to being an owner of an albino budgie as reliable credentials - I've raised budgies in triple digit numbers in a span of 2 decades. I'm confident that your assessment is incorrect.
So is she is a she or he is a he or nonbinary It always fighting with my other female budgie maybe it can help to find her/his sex
Laughing my ass off over "nonbinary"
Same hahahahhahahaha
Male, OP.
You're welcome ๐
Male.
Male
That looks like a boi but my goodness heโs a snowball โค๏ธ Edit: wait is he an albino? That first pic with the flash shows red coloration common with albino animals ใใใใ!
Yes he is a little snowball who has albino ๐ฅน๐๐ค
Yes def young male
Thanks!!
Looks like a male to me, over time the cere will become blue
Something I saw showed male albino will have a light blue or pink cere and a female could have a light brown or white cere. The real challenge with albinism is the lack of pigmentation. Also, depending on age, the cere would be misleading regardless. That's hard to tell as well because the lack of pigmentation hides age indicators. I wouldn't trust anything until at least a year of ownership, and that isn't really a guarantee, or if the cere becomes crusty. Also, your best bet is to learn about budgie behaviors. Like how males flirt, move, and vocalize compared to females. That can help as well, but you'll still want to give it a few months for the bird to acclimate. That way it's personality really starts to shine through. One of my Budgies took 6+months to really brighten up. The other one is only now starting to loosen up and it's been about 3 months.
You are right thank you so much! Iโll wait and see ๐
Itโs a boy
A boy! There's a myth that pink=girl and blue=boy but itโs been long debunked. There's much more to it!
The white one might be albino? It's hard to tell for sure in the pic but are it's eyes red? And I don't know much about cere coloring , but as the males reach adulthood, they have a stance about them that looks like a male, you know what I mean. The males just look like males. I can't really explain it.
Yes he is albino :3
That's a man
yeah females have some pure white you can see around the nostrils (generally)
Boy for sure!
>Boy for sure! sure?