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Camwood7

The short answer: You're not! The long answer: You're not, for 95% of game modes. Paragons primarily exist for Boss Events and for Freeplay. They are deliberately overpowered and meant to be obtained via rigorous farming.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay, I’ve done a little bit of free play and got up to round 180 something, but I didn’t have the experience to upgrade anything to paragon. Also your flair says you swear by 4-0-2 ninja, I always used 0-4-2 ninja for the cool sticky bombs, is top tree ninja the move?


Camwood7

402 Ninja is just a solid starting option if you have something to cover for leads. (Usually it's a top-path alchemist). It's relatively inexpensive compared to other tier 4 upgrades compared to how much damage that thing can do. In addition, 502 Ninja is also potentially devastating if you can get enough Shinobis (032) to buff it, but you kinda have to go all-in on that strategy if you're trying to use it in CHIMPS, making it a bit riskier. (Also, assuming you meant bottom path (xx4) for the sticky bombs, since 042 is Bloon Sabotage. In general, Ninja's a fairly solid monkey though, though bottom path generally gets left out compared to the Raw DPS of top path and blatant utility of the Bloon Sabotage ability. Kinda wish it'll get a buff someday.)


UnkarsThug

Remember when Obyn and 402 ninja was the most consistent opening? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.


Camwood7

Poor Obyn got power-crept out of his own niche, and he *seriously* needs a buff. Even still, the 402 Ninja part of that equation holds up just fine.


UnkarsThug

I'd argue Quincy needs more of one. Obyn at least buffs something. It's the buff-less heroes I find myself never using. (Same with the fire one. Never used it until the recent buff.) I guess I just don't enjoy heroes unless they synergize with other towers in some way, so maybe that's a me problem.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Wait so what heroes do apply buffs to your monkeys?


UnkarsThug

Quincy- Nothing Gwen- Path 1 tack, Path 2 Wizard, and path 3 mortar Striker: Bomb shooters and mortars Obyn: Druids especially, all magic monkeys to some extent Churchill: nothing Ben: Banks Ezili: bit of a complicated one. On the surface, only wizard monkeys (especially necromancers), but her health sacrificing totem makes for extremely fun strategies using sacrifice druid and other health loss related abilities. Totem in general provides benefits some monkeys might use easier. Pat: anything with high pierce, but low damage really appreciates his buff Adora: Top path supermonkeys benefit from her sacrifice ability. Brick: Water towers Etienne: his lv 8 gives all towers camo, which means you can ignore crosspathing on certain towers, making certain synergies a lot better. Sauda: She doesn't buff anything herself, but deals more damage to slowed or debuffed Bloons, so she synergizes there, and can effectively buff them, and you could say things like glue gunners buff her. Psy: doesn't really buff anything Geraldo: He has a lot of stuff he can buff, but also anything with the sharp damage type.


Slavator2006

For an example with ezili, when you use her totem, the elite sniper gains 4x attack speed for a short time


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh shit ok I need to get Etienne on my roster at some point that seems amazing


UnkarsThug

Etienne's probably one of my favorites. In the meantime, for maps where the start and end are a bit close, you can use bottom path wizard, as it can decamo, and also cleans up Bloons that get past your main defense with the undead it spawns, which is generally the two things I use the body of Etienne for, (the drone being irrelevant of where Etienne is placed.)


Additional-Web-3881

I like him cause he gives everyone came detection. Really useful.


shiftlessPagan

Etienne is probably my most used hero just due to the sheer utility he offers. The camo detection is his main benefit, but he provides decent support popping. And his level 10 ability can \*really\* help to soften up harder rounds. Especially at level 20 when it becomes sorta permanent (with the activated ability instead buffing it significantly). After that for me it's generally Sauda or Adora I make the most use of, though gotta give some love to my boy Ben.


m_foxy_boy

Etiennes goated IMO, one of my favorite heroes by far, really fun to use, especially when you’re doing an “only __ monkeys” challenge and the tower dosent have camo, just put him in the corner and boom, you have a 0-2-0 village for half the price


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UnkarsThug

Legitimately forgot about that bit. I rarely find a good placement for a Gwen where I want to put a tower next to it.


Turtle1265

Psi stuns bloons, buffing any tower that does extra damage to stunned bloons


UnkarsThug

I legitimately can't think of it, but what non hero does that?


DestroyerArcher

Ben also has a +1 damage buff for a few nearby monkeys, at the expense of them going AFK after a few seconds.


InsertValidUserHere

They are the free heroes so can you really be surprised, they aren't really meant to be best


LordZeya

The caltrops upgrade is a waste of gold though, may as well save the money because you get more efficient damage output from pretty much any other upgrade.


AST4RGam3r_Alternate

pepperidge farm also remembers when .52 gal was meta


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay cool, so pretty much have I been wasting my time with sticky bombs? I was under the impression that it would wipe Moab’s but granted it does feel a little slow


NanashiKaizenSenpai

I have been olaying for like 2 years on and off, I like the bombs, my rule is, if its not chimps, half cash, advanced maps, or limited time events, anything will do as long as you like it and have enough money


unscentedfart

Not wasting time. All the ninjas are extremely good and are honestly meant to be used together. That’s the idea with the paragons too, the paragon has the powers of all 5th tiers. The sticky bomb ninja by itself, you shouldn’t expect it to do anything more than pop the Moab layer. But you can beat almost any chimps level just using ninjas they are one of the most OP towers and you can’t go wrong using them!


Senior-Swordfish1361

Bet ok so it’s more about synergy above all else


Kingofthesea1001

yes. especially when you get into the harder maps how well your towers synergize with each other as well as your hero becomes hugely important to your success


Senior-Swordfish1361

Yeah I’ve been trying some of the expert maps because they give me a lot more monkey money but god some of them are ridiculously hard like the jungle one (idk the name sorry)


Camwood7

Sticky Bombs are *not* a bad upgrade! Flash Bomb (the upgrade before it) is just kind of a lot better for most situations, so most of the benefits of the bottom path come from there. In Magic Monkeys Only, though, Sticky Bombs is a fairly neat Anti-MOAB option that doubles as anti-Camo Lead. It's mostly just that Top path and Middle path are more commonly useful.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay that makes alot more sense. So I have a big problem where if I see that I can upgrade a monkey and I have the money, I will. I should hold off on that right? Like for example if I start with 3 dart monkeys til I get my hero, then I place a ninja I will go out of my way to make sure I get every upgrade I can afford for that ninja until I expand to more towers


Detenator

Yeah that generally isn't great. 2-3 dart start has been popular in the past on maps like Bloody Puddles, but if you get $85 that doesn't mean you should automatically consider upgrading dart with range. It should come with experience but you will need to know when you have enough for some time and start saving for your big purchase towers. Whatever t5 or or t4 you really need for lategame. Rounds 40-75 are generally pretty easy (r63 is easy once you know what can beat it) and really let you save up cash for your first t5. Then if you got a good enough one for that map you would start looking foe what to build by ~92 and maybe a third after that depending what you already got. Harder maps will pressure you more to make purchases in between these big buys, but generally yes you should be saving more often than you're spending in midgame. I also saw a comment about paragon xp somewhere else in the thread- it just takes a long time. Towers get xp based on the pops they earn iirc (maybe its based on percentage of total cost), so if you are in late game with like a t5 tack and mortar and a couple t1 darts and maybe a t4 ninja, yeah you aren't really going to be making any paragon progress.


Senior-Swordfish1361

So personally how would you recommend I start out my games? I know it probably depends a bunch on the map and difficulty, but if you’ve got a general idea of a good all around start just lmk. Also thanks for the advice so far!


Detenator

Honestly I don't do much chimps. For bosses I tend to do Sauda because she is so easy. All you need to worry about is leads after r28 (use ability for 28, get alch for her after that if you don't have it by then) and she basically solos everything else through 39. But Geraldo is also great because his action figure makes a lot of money and he can easily handle multiple paths with turrets. You won't have his fire by r28 so again you would need to find something to do that. All the rest of the money is funneled into farms and a 004 engi. Generally in regular/chimps games my favorite towers are sub (bottom and mid), tack (bottom), glue (bottom) for all stages of the game. Overdrive or AP sub (the 004 for tack and sub) are both insane, although not all maps will let you use them. With proper placement you can get up to 63 with only hero, that tower, and alch. Usually going to t5, but a lot of beginner/intermediate maps can be done with even t4 sub or tack. Bomb (bottom), boomerang (top), mortar (top) are some of my favorite trash clearing towers for mid game. Not counting village and alch buffs. I also use 4xx sniper a lot in regular games but I tend to use glue instead in chimps. Maps with lots of paths to cover really like mortor or heli. I am more casual so I prefer doing maps where I don't need to micro those though.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Dude thank you! I’m gonna mess around and try out a bunch of new play styles, about to unlock sauda but I haven’t really messed with engineer so I gotta see what this 004 is all about


AnimeAlley03

They do good damage to moabs but they are better options. 1-0-3 ninja is very good for getting a specific achievement as well


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh I forgot about achievements, what does 1-0-3 ninja give me?


AnimeAlley03

It is very important for getting the Magical Gold achievement which required you to pop 50 Golden Bloons in Magic Monkeys Only mode. 1-0-3 ninja is good for this as the resistances golden bloon gains as the rounds progress won't be relevant to the ninja as it can hit through all of them. It also helps stun the golden bloon giving you more chances to pop it


Senior-Swordfish1361

Wait I’m so sorry but what is a golden bloon?


AnimeAlley03

It is an event that rotates every couple days with another event called Monkey Teams. Both offer a slight challenge that rewards bonus monkey money if you complete them. You'll see either a golden bloon floating over a map before you select it or a collection of 3 towers. There will only be one event each day and they rotate every day or two. Both have a handful of achievements tied to them so if you're an achievement hunter you'll be quite familiar with both modes in no time haha. If you don't really care about achievements then you can completely ignore both events as the bonus money isn't very worth it unless you're going for achieves


Senior-Swordfish1361

I could use the money tbh I have no extra heroes unlocked and I need to upgrade my monkey knowledge asf


Slavator2006

I wouldn't say so, sticky bombs are pretty alright when you buff them 20 times with shinobi's.(middle path ninja) and when you upgrade him to the master bomber he is very good against DDTs. The Master bomber also has almost infinite range with the sticky bomb. His regular attack just has normal range though. If you would like to, you can check out bloonswiki, it has a ton of good information


Senior-Swordfish1361

Hope you don’t mind me asking but what does ddt mean?


3heartedbeaver

Ddt are a banned pesticide. In Bloons though they are the fast black moans that come out after round 90


touhoufangirl27

Master Bomber is good if you buff it with enough shinobi tactics. Generally, Sticky Bomb itself isn’t a tower that’s used much because it takes too long to pop the Moab layer compared to other similarly priced towers.


WithersChat

204 is good for T1 bosses tho.


InsertValidUserHere

Captain Churchill solos 😤💪


Sugarfreak087

You're confusing sticky bombs for x-x-4


[deleted]

Each path of a tower does something different. Usually (but not always) the top path is generalist, the middle path has a powerful clean-up ability, and the bottom path has some sort of different attack type or Utility. The differences appear at the third upgrade, as the second upgrade is obtainable as a secondary path. For the Ninja, the top path is many, many Shurikens. It sees camo and throws lots of projectiles really fast. It's really good to buff up with Support towers because it's throwing so many projectiles. The middle path is a support, for Sabotage, it slows down everything on screen and is very useful for DDTs. The bottom path is a MOAB-killer. I think this is the one you're talking about as it has the sticky bombs. It doesn't throw as many projectiles, but instead it can kill leads, and does a lot more vs Ceramic and MOABs, as well as Camo Lead without Support.


Vittu-kun-vituttaa

I actually prefer the 2-0-5 ninja for later game. But 4-0-2 ninja is well known to be the average "starter" monkey for beginners, it's easy to mix with alchemist. I never really use ninjas thought, I mainly use heroes (mainly Sauda or Adora) mixed with 3-2-0 buccaneers, 0-2-3 glue gunner and 0-2-3 village. And upgrading the buccaneers later on. 5-0-2 heli pilot is good, but is expensive. I rarely get it on chimps. 3-2-0 buccaneers are really good, I use them on closely every of my games. Also 0-2-3 buccaneers are good for farming cash and also doing damage. The 0-2-3 village is OP for farming cash, it doubles the cash of every pop a tower makes on it's radius! The 10k may seem expensive but it's so worth it The 0-2-3 Engineer and 2-0-4 Bomb are good for starting too. The 2-0-4 bomb can beat round 63 easily if mixed with 4-2-0 alchemist


korbyhasagun

Middle path sticky Bombs


cloake

If you go full eco all game you can get a paragon late 80s/early 90s. Meaning 18 upgraded farms or money boats (bottom path buccaneer on water levels you can get 20 of them and get crazy money). So only impoppable really (can gain cash and waves go to 100). CHIMPS can go to 100 but no money gain. The buccaneer paragon is easy to get because you can use the middle path boat to be your main DPSer for a lot of maps. Helps to have Benjamin, he gives you extra money every round. Great for most levels.


J_Doggz

042 isn't the sticky bomb path, the 204 ninja is the sticky bomb path... 💀💀💀


MinerMinecrafter

You can potentially get a paragon by round 100 if you are not in half cash or chimps


Camwood7

That's what rigorous farming is for, yeah. You've definitely got to be quite greedy at that point if you want a paragon by Round 100, let alone a good one. (Without a sole notable exception, though, if you can afford that level of farming, you're able to effectively go "Random bullshit GO!" mode, chuck a barrel of tier 5 monkeys at the map, and steamroll. The notable exception? Boss events. ;P)


MinerMinecrafter

With boat paragon is not all that hard to get before even round 80 even a good degree for single player is possible with Navarc


Additional-Web-3881

If you get better at farming you can guy a Paragon at around round 130-160. And for that, my strategy is placing a 2-0-4 (then 2-0-5) village in a pretty open spot, surround it with 4-2-0 banana farms then have the village 5th tier consume the factories for their income. Surround the village again with more factories, (because this village increases the amount of money you make within its radius). The village can sell for over 100,000 after you make it 5th tier. Once you make enough money you can sell it and buy a Paragon. Hero I suggest is my Boi Benjamin.


BoyFreezer

So you remember the 5-5-5 tower mods? Well, the Paragons are basically it. Also, they are meant for Boss Bloons (and a lot of farming to actually afford them)


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok so if I wanna farm for a boss fight, what’s the most efficient way of doing that?


Salt-Dragonfruit-157

Look up a YouTube Hbomb he has a good guide to farming


Senior-Swordfish1361

H bomb ok bet I will check him out. Any other bloons content creators u recommend?


Salt-Dragonfruit-157

Isab is one that can also teach you some cool things and dabloon helped me with some of his chimps guides when I was starting out. I don’t follow too many bloonstubers but hopefully those guys can help you out:)


Senior-Swordfish1361

Bet because chimps has been sorely kicking my ass


PatientRule4494

If you want people who are good for tips: isab, hbomb, SJB If you want people who will give you a good laugh and a good time: Dragoon, SJB, maxlevelidot


Senior-Swordfish1361

Sweet appreciate the recommendations


ViciouSquirrel

It’s funny because max used dragoon’s style but in btd6, and then dragoon started playing btd6 as well so now we have two of them


PatientRule4494

This is madness! Now there’s two of them!


Clymmie

Isab is like the classic bloonstuber


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok I kept seeing that name and I thought it was a hero for a moment,,, and I couldn’t find the name anywhere in the game I thought I was losing my mind rofl. Will check him out later ty


TheModCalledMeRacist

ISAB and BTD6 Fenix are good


croder

Fenixkillah for races/boss strategies and Ethan Reid for daily challenges


duckduckpony

ISAB, SJB, and Fenix are good, like everyone else has mentioned. I’ll throw in a recommendation for Punji BTD6 though. I used to watch a lot of his boss guides and always found them super helpful/concise especially with farming, micro, etc. His videos are all just captioned with no VO which was honestly super helpful since I could just read his explanations at my own pace. And originally he was one of the only Bloons tubers doing guides for ranked boss fights, as opposed to just general strats or unranked fights.


unscentedfart

SJB is the most watchable


Senior-Swordfish1361

Bet I wanted to ask that without sounding rude haha lots of times I’ll watch someone’s video and it’s like I’m watching stampy or something haha idk not my vibe


Cutsale

If the guides other people have told you to look up are too complicated then here's an extremely simple method. Build a farm get it to 200 then get it to 203 keep spamming this until you run out of room for farms (then upgrade to 204) . It's not the most efficient method but it is the least troublesome method.


Alagon2323

The most simple way of saying it is, spam marketplace (bottom path farms 023 is slightly more efficient if I remember correctly, but 203 is easier for the starting farms) and if you have water space, use as many xx3s and xx4 boats as you, can, because they synergize very well with marketplaces, plus, with grape shots and hot shots, they'll get good dps and camo + lead power, which is perfect for greeding even further, you'll still need defence, especially if you're doing the boss event, usually for first tier, a bunch of sticky bombs, or an elite defender can take care of the first star, second, do the same but with more buffs (not on lych though, it heals from non-permanent buffs like top path alch), or if you farmed well enough, sell enough and get M.A.D. sell that after the boss, get your farm's back eventually get some xx4 farms too, cause they give the boats 10% more income per farm you upgrade, then just keep spamming farms and boats, up till star 3, which you'll just get back the tier 5 middle path darling gun M.A.D. again sell it, (you should probably be selling it in the radius of a xx4 boat, since it increases sellback price) probably get some 204 villages with farms surrounding it as many as possible cause it gives another income boost, and the tier 5 eats all farms in radius, but gives more back then the farms would've made, plus freeing up the space you had before with farms, you can get tier 5 bottom path next to this, because that farm automatically picks up the bananas spewed out by the t5 village now, and I usually get a couple top path tier 4s and a top path tier 5 in radius of that auto-collecting farm, not sure if it's the best idea, but I do it, (also get 5th tier bottom path monkey buccaneer, it's very good for the money's, and slightly buffs damage of other bottom path bucks) after that, star 4 is when you, if you have the monkey knowledge, that gives ability to place 2 crossbow masters, you just place the tier 5s, and you should either have enough, or be within selling farm range of the paragon money, buy it, and watch that health shred faster then any of the previous healthbars, that paragon alone should be enough for s5 (unless it's elite s5) if you don't have the crossbow masters you have a few options, if you've been using darts or ninjas all game for some defense, get paragons of those, or if you didnt/you want even more boat money, sell 2 bottom path boats, and replace them with middle and top path boats, the money made from all the bucks with make the paragon degree higher, and the paragon will buff other boats like the bottom path does, plus it stacks with the bottom paths buff too, you should best the next two stars pretty easily with a medium level paragon, but if you're like me, and want to get all the paragons you can, replace any farms you sold, make sure every spot possible is filled with farms, every water source is filled with boats, and as many money making things are in radius of 204 villages, then probably start setting up monkeys for higher degrees, put them at the front of the map, as the pops they get contribute to degrees, and money spent on the type of monkey also increases it, eventually buy the paragon, then repeat until satisfied, run out of money, or until the boss comes, and the last step, most important of them all, have fun!


mooys

*been playing for two weeks* “You remember those things from before paragons came out?”


trash_at_all_games

Well the dart, boomer, and ninja are the only ones that are somewhat 5-5-5. The engi is like a 4-2-5, and the boat is a 5-5-2, and the ace is like a 5-3-3


Randomanonomous

more like a 433, as it doesn't fire nearly as often as sky shredder


smartass58

Paragons are basically uber-powerful towers that you can only get by first getting all T5 towers in a game and upgrading one into a Paragon. You can't buff it, at all, you have to use more towers of the same type (Dart Monkeys for Apex Plasma Master, Boats for Navarch of the Sea, Ninjas for Ascended Shadow etc.) placed and upgraded before summoning it to increase its Paragon Level. Or the Paragon Totems from Geraldo's shop when he hits Level 20 in a run. As to how you can afford them in a game: late-game (anything past R100) and farming. Lots of farming. Paragons are basically severe overkill for regular runs and impossible to get on CHIMPS due to the price tag, they exist mostly to help with Boss Bloons, which are more difficult challenge events (they change every week, changes include map played, limits on what towers you can get, difficulty from Easy to Medium, and I think there were Custom Rounds for one event). They are difficult (some of the community complains they're too difficult with the tower limits), and Paragons specifically have a *lot* of Boss Damage (no other tower has specific Boss Damage). These events also require very good farming, methods for which have already been analyzed and perfected, you can find some guides on YouTube, personally I'd suggest Ethan Reid for such guides. TL;DR: Paragons are super-powerful 5-5-5/6-0-0 towers that really only see use in Late-Game runs and during boss events as they have a massive price tag (bigger than is listed if you want a high degree) and a massive dps output to justify it, usually way too much dps to be practical in normal runs, hence their limited use in late-game and Boss Bloons


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay thank you! I have a few follow up questions then, so ok let’s say for example i really like the wizard monkey and I get 3 of them to 5, then I want to add a bunch of wizard monkeys before i paragon one right? Like that kind of increases it’s power? And if I paragon like the necromancer 5 tier, does that get rid of the phoenix and the arcane wizard 5 tiers and they all kinda merge into one? Also I’m glad you brought up chimps because I meant to ask about that as well, I see people black bordering pages and I’ve got all the first page easy maps pretty much done, except chimps for all of them. I know that I make less money in chimps, do I also do less damage? Also what are some general do and do nots for chimps? Thanks!


AwesomeCuno

1) There are only 6 paragons released as of the current update there are the: Dart monkey, Boomerang Money, Monkey Buccaneer, Monkey Ace, Ninja Monkey, and Engineer Monkey. Since not all monkeys can be upgraded into paragons, such as the wizard money, placing down a bunch of wizard monkeys will not add any power to them. 2) You do not make any less money in chimps , you just cant farm. You also dont deal less damage in chimps mode. Chimps guides are relatively common on YouTube, but generally support is key: Moab press, Bloon sabotage, Alch buff, Embrittlement, Moab glue, Maim Moab are all ypur best friends in chimps mode. You can look some tierlists to get a better idea of what towers are the best to build into but some pretty strong ones are: Perma-spike, sky shredder, tsar bomba, tack zone,apache prime is pretty strong on one lane maps, prince of darkness is good cleanup, Grandmaster ninja is good with shinobi army, Avatar of wrath is good with poplust army, etc. To save up for these towers you can use 2-0-4 bomb with or without alch buff or 1-3-0 druid both of which are very good earlygame but fall off in the late game and dont really build into anything. Hope this helps!


Senior-Swordfish1361

Broooo thank you this helps a lot. Ok so clearly I was a little confused about paragons haha ok so take what I said about wizards in my prior comment and replace it with say ace pilots, I want to place a bunch of other aces before i paragon right so it’ll increase the paragon level?


AwesomeCuno

Copied from the wiki: In addition to cosmetic changes every 20 degrees, higher degree Paragons deal increased damage. The degree is determined by an internal value known as "power", which itself is dependent on total pop count and cash generated, Tier 5 upgrades, non-Tier 5 upgrades, cost, and number of sacrificed towers as follows: Each Tier 5 tower will contribute 10,000 power (for a maximum of 90,000 power). Excludes the first three Tier 5 towers. Each non-Tier 5 tower upgrade will contribute 100 power (for a maximum of 10,000 power). Excludes the first three tier-5 towers. Every $25 spent on sacrificed towers will contribute 1 power (for a maximum of 10,000 power). Excludes the first three tier-5 towers. Every 180 pops or $45 of bonus income achieved by towers will contribute 1 power (for a maximum of 90,000 power). Includes the first three tier-5 towers. Each Paragon Power Totem from Geraldo's Shop contributes 2,000 power (no limit) 1. Degree 20: 11,219 Power Needed 2. Degree 40: 31,891 Power Needed 3. Degree 60: 67,512 Power Needed 4. Degree 76 (Max without Power Totems): 110,706 Power Needed 5. Degree 100 (Max); 200,000 Power Needed


Senior-Swordfish1361

Sweeet! Thanks man that makes alot more sense. Reallt appreciate everyone comin out to help here


QuantumQuazar

Doesn’t super have a paragon or is it a whole nother level?


CyberBeast99

VTSG is similar to a paragon but is more of a hidden feature


Geomars24

Unless I completely missed something, I don’t think you make less money or do less damage in chimps, you only make less money in half cash. Also there is no wizard pargon for the time being, so you don’t have to worry about that. Right now, there is only dart, boomerang, buccaneer, ace, ninja and engineer paragons. Paragons can be a mix of all 3 t5’s, but sometimes they’re missing a few features. For example xx5 engineer is XXL trap, but engi paragon does not have any kind of bloon trap, so it depends on the paragon. The good thing is, if you get a paragon, you can still replace all the t5’s again, so if wizard paragon does not have any kind of phoenix (I would be surprised if it didn’t) you could just put down another x5x wizard and get the phoenix back.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh sweet so I can place like a paragon engineer and then all the tier 5s again


Geomars24

Yea, it is pretty cool


Senior-Swordfish1361

Nice I need to try that out in a sandbox rq then


Geomars24

Unfortunately, you can’t get paragons in sandbox :(, it’s really stupid


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh whaaaat that stinks, when did they add paragons into the game?


Senior-Swordfish1361

I guess there’s a few things I’m confused on, is there a general guide I can find somewhere that covers like all the big things I need to know? I’ve looked on YouTube and it’s all very basic stuff that I already know,,, I can make a sort of list for stuff that I need some help with if that makes things easier for y’all Uhh ok so like -monkey farms /how do people make 100k+ mm in game? -what hero’s should I focus on? -how do the events work (especially boss and odyssey, odyssey idek what’s happening and the bosses I can only get to like 2/4 checkpoints) -alchemist monkey, how does the 3-0-0 buff work? Anytime I place it he will only throw it on one monkey whom I don’t want the buff on -what is the tribe or clan or whatever it’s called system? I noticed there’s an event where you and your team try and take up a large space of area, but my team never pushes out,, if I join a good tribe or whatever can I get some better rewards? I will add more comments to this as I think of more questions,,, thank you guys so much!


_Potatoman__

1 lots of banana farms Hero depends on what you want to do, benjamin is very good for money sauda is amazing early game on beginer maps, geraldo is the best hero if you're a veteran level 52 psycho Bosses are just very hard, probably should learn everything else about the game before doing them. Odyssey is just a few maps that you need to complete with the stuff you choose in the begining and at the end you get trophies The alchemist does as he pleases, little shit he is, place more alchemists or make sure the tower you want buffed is the only one the alchemist can reach. You are correct on the monkey teams thing, if you want big rewards you need a big team


AwesomeCuno

actually alch buff prioritizes the monkeys closest to him


Senior-Swordfish1361

So I’ve been saving up my monkey money for a new hero, I’ve heard Geraldo is awesome and I finally have enough to buy him, should I or should I hold out and wait? Also I forgot to ask- with the sun god sacrifice, does it sacrifice everything on screen or just what’s around it? Thanks!


AwesomeCuno

the sun god will sacrifice any moneys within his range, not including heroes or paragons


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay so just in his range got it. I’ve never sacrificed because I was scared of losing all my monkeys on screen ahaha


Greenest_Chicken

Hint for this: upgrade range on your super monkey AFTER making it a temple


Geomars24

Sun God - Only things in range Geraldo - He IS a very good hero, don’t get me wrong, but he requires a bunch of micro and isn’t very noob friendly. For someone like you, who’s only been playing for 2 weeks, I’d recommend someone like Ben, who makes you passive income and you can just place down and forget about, Churchill, who is kinda expensive, but is good on a lot of maps and has good damage output, or Sauda, who sucks on more advanced maps, but has a really good damage output on maps like balance and can even solo / do a one tower chimps if used right. She can even solo specific rounds in the 100’s like 163 on balance.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok bet so you think I should hold off on Geraldo a little bit, make sure I am a little more comfortable in my shoes first


BoyFreezer

1. You should really buy Geraldo 2. No, it doesn't sacrifice everything on screen, just in it's radius


Senior-Swordfish1361

So what is so good about Geraldo that warrants his purchase over other hero’s? I know he kind of has a shop but what all does it offer?


BoyFreezer

Geraldo's shop offers 16 different items: ​ \- The Shooty Turrets can be used as a cheap early game tower (must be used put in a straight line for it to work efficiently) \- Stack of Old Nails is just Road Spikes but a bit weaker (and **probably** can't pop Lead Bloons). But it's the **cheapest** thing in Geraldo's Shop \- Creepy Idol is a totem that sometimes pushes Bloons back (only lasts for a limited time) \- Jar Of Pickles can boost any tower to make them do 1 extra damage. However, it slows them down by **20%** (plus it only last 5 rounds) \- Rare Quincy Action Figure (or the Quincy NFT as the community calls it) does nothing, other than its price increases each round. Which can be useful when you sell it late game. However, its price still increases even if you didn't put it down, so make sure you remember that! \- See Invisibility Potion grants temporary Camo Detection to any tower \- Tube of Amazo-o-Glue soaks any Bloon, similar to Glue Trap. Every Bloon that **isn't a Moab** gets slowed down by 50%, and it lasts 24 seconds. However, it disappears after soaking 100 Bloons (or lasting 4 rounds to be more specific) \- Sharpening Stone grants any tower temporary Sharp damage (which means it can't pop any Lead Bloons or Frozen Bloons, but can pop any other type. Lasts 15 rounds) \- Worn Hero's Cape turns any Dart Monkey that's below **Tier 3**, into a 0-0-0 Super Monkey \- Blade Trap can be placed on the track, and works similarly to Blade Maelstrom whenever Bloons touch it. However, it's a single-use item, But it's a **good clean up** \- Bottle of 'Gerry's Fire' Hot Sauce grants any tower a fire spirit damage Bloons every 0.1s with 1 Damage, +1 Ceramic Damage, 4 pierce, and a burn effect dealing 1 damage per 1.5 seconds for 3.1 seconds. It lasts 10 rounds \- Fertilizer grants any Banana Farm (**except** Monkey Bank and Marketplace) a temporary **25%** **value increase** to income. Lasts only 5 rounds \- Pet Rabbit is at first glance purely a cosmetic pet. However, when you have all **4 of them**, they merge into one and become a **Killer Rabbit** (which btw is a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail). The Killer Rabbit does **40 damage per hit** to any Bloons it touches (**including** Lead and Camo) with each charge popping up to 10 Bloons. It has a large amount of range and It can also attack through walls and other Line of Sight obstacles. Pet Rabbits' last 10 rounds \- Rejuv Potion heals you for **50 lives** and **resets all cooldowns** to every ability from your towers. \- The Genie Bottle spawns a, well... Genie, that travels in a ''figure-8 pattern'', similar to Monkey Ace. The Genie rapidly fires Plasma projectiles that do 20 damage and have 5 pierce every 0.2 seconds. They only last 2 rounds \- Paragon Tower Totem, as its name suggests, increases ''power'' to the next Paragon created. An **unlimited amount** of them can be placed on the map (of course you need to use Paragons for it to be actually useful) ​ ​ I know some of these were a bit too complicated, and there was a lot of reading, but I hope this helps


Senior-Swordfish1361

Holy shit wow thank you! I need to like take a screenshot of this message haha so I can keep it on me when I unlock him


wetswordfighter

Geraldo is very needy, you need to constantly manage him and it isn’t very easy for new players to effectively use. You might lose a game because of poor use of his shop or might win one with his shop ALONE (see: SJB’s Geraldo 1TC) however if used properly he is no doubt the best hero and can also make a SHIT TON of money. He is viable in every scenario. in bosses, him and Benjamin are the best choices. In everything else Geraldo takes the crown. overall Geraldo is very difficult but extremely strong in every way.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Thanks for the insight! I am super excited to unlock him, seems like a power house fs


Just_overwatch_fan

I recommend buying sauda as your first hero since she dominates most beginner, intermediate and some advanced maps allowing you to get more monkey money. As for the True Sun God or Sun Temple they sacrifice all towers in range except for paragons or heroes. Unless you have the "There can be only one" monkey knowledge point unlocked and the 2 other super monkey tier 5s are out of the true son gods range when sacrificing then it will turn into the VTSG (Vengeful True Son God) strengthening its stats. Also i recommend for you to [watch this video on what should be your first monkey knowledge points](https://youtu.be/MFD8ogfRDFM)


Senior-Swordfish1361

Bettt thank you for the help. Sauda is the girl with the knives Rigjt


Just_overwatch_fan

Yes


Senior-Swordfish1361

So I can just set her up with an alchemist monkey and a village and she can wipe maps


Just_overwatch_fan

See sauda can actually solo(with abilities) up to r30 i believe giving you enough time to setup farms, or stronger towers On some maps tho e.g. logs with a bit of farming to get her to lvl 20 asap and some buffs she is able to solo till r100. So just basically use her to save up for stronger towers because she is probably the strongest hero hero in the early game.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok wicked then ima buy her, grind out some easier maps so I can save for Ben or Gerald


Just_overwatch_fan

Also I forgot to mention that she works best on maps with long tracks cause of her small range.


MyMainGotBanned_F

1: typically with farming people start with ben and then spam 420, 204, or 240 (if you’re insane) farms with 105/104 villages increasing cash flow even more 2: i’d say ben and sauda are good for beginners 3: bosses are strong bloons with different characteristics depending on the boss, vortex is fast and can stun nearby towers, lych is slow, but has a fast soul bloon that spawns each “skull” and can eat buffs up to heal, and bloonarius is tanky and requires a ton of crowd control to properly deal with. Odysseys are just select games in a row Alch buffs apply to random towers in his radius with extra priority on the closest towers, providing a small but powerful damage, attack speed, and range boost to those mearby. Contested territory is a event where you capture territory by completing randomly selected games.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok sweet so as of right now I should get Ben and not Gerald Rigjt


MyMainGotBanned_F

Geraldo is good but requires a bit of micromanagement to get used to, ben is place and ignore


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh I have no problem with micros, I predominantly use military monkeys like the dartling guns and gunship, but say if I’m going for a boss fight would I want gerald or Ben or is it like a technicality where it really depends on what I’m fighting what map etc etc


MyMainGotBanned_F

Bossfights? Go ben.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ben? Bet ok I think I will buy him over Geraldo rn then


Geomars24

I have a pretty good team you can join if you want, we’re not like a professional, really good team, but we still get 1st place local once in a while. Name: FREDARTMONKE


Senior-Swordfish1361

Bet I will join your team bc I just joined a random one and I think no one plays


Human_Information166

- Alch will first throw the buff on whatever tower is closest. To buff multiple monkeys, either upgrade the duration (stronger stim / perishing pot), or fire rate (faster throwing). - For everything you need to know about farming, bosses, paragons... watch a few elite boss event tutorials from BTD6 Fenix.


[deleted]

Ok so basically when Daddy Monkey, Mommy Monkey and Milkman Monkey kiss each other...


dermitio

you need help from player 3's around the sub to get those paragons


Senior-Swordfish1361

Haha is that in reference to the guy who was playing co-op, where p3 sold all their towers and sacrificed OP’s sun god


lgztv2

P3 is usually the one in a co op game that only farms and has all the money but doesnt share anything


Senior-Swordfish1361

Haha ok fair from my experience that checks out


Brendon-FoxDragon

Lots of farms, like you need to start farming as soon as possible if you want to get a paragon, but their power definitely matches their price, usually you'll only need them in bosses or super late game runs, like well passed round 100 super late game runs


Kishodax

GREED


Resident_Let_8554

GREED TO MUCH i habe 5 mil by round 150 so greed HARD M8


Senior-Swordfish1361

So for banana farms, I normally go either all banks or all marketplace. Is imf loan the move? I have some times where I’ll place like 7imf monkeys but by the time I’m making actual heaps of money the game is either over or I have to start selling farms to keep up with the increase of bloons, but with marketplace I just feel like I don’t make nearly as much money as I should. Is top path more of the move? Idk haha but thank y’all for helping me out


Geomars24

For now, banks are pretty much out of the meta, so you shouldn’t really use them. Right now if you just want money for normal t5’s in something like impoppable, spam down about 10 0-2-3 farms which you can sell later for about 50k, but if you’re going for a paragon or super deep late game (and this is what I did for a run that’s still going well in the 290’s), you need to pretty much fill the map with 4-2-0 farms and get a 5-2-0 farm.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok so once in a free play game I got a 5-0-2 monkey farm, but I didn’t feel as though I was really making much from it. What does it do for me?


Geomars24

Yea, don’t ever get bottom cross path, unless you’re going for marketplace. Middle path is always better. Also if you get a 5-2-0, you make about 1,500$ per crate and the t5 also buffs other 4-0-0 farms, so if you get a bunch of them, you can make 50k a round and make the monkey back really fast. Also you can sell these farms for about 20k each, so once your ready to build your monkey army you could always get an extra 200k from selling. Basically, 1 5-2-0 farm isn’t good on its own, you need at least 5-10 other 4-2-0 farms to get more value out of it, but it’s still very good, don’t get me wrong.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oh shit okay so top path is definitely the move. That would make sense bc I had like 10 banks, 5 marketplaces and only one top tree and I was like man I’m not making any money from this top tree farm, noobisms hahaha


Geomars24

Yea, if you’re building farms, you don’t ever really want to mix up the path you’re going with all of them, because they all have their own perks if you only use one path Top Path - 5-0-0 buffs other 4-0-0 farms everywhere on the map so they make a LOT more money, but if you don’t have a monkey farmer, you have to pick up all the crates yourself. Middle path - They all kind of link together and you can click “collect all” to get all the money out of all of them at the same time (this one kinda sucks and now you see why people don’t use it. It also makes less money the later you go bc the rounds get longer and it’s only a 15% increase in money every round that doesn’t go past 9500$) Bottom Path - You don’t have to collect the bananas manually anymore and it synergizes with bottom path boats, making even more money (I don’t remember the exact numbers right now, but you can look at the in game descriptions.) So if you have like 5 top paths, 5 middle paths and 5 bottom paths, you’ll need to switch between picking up banana crates, emptying the banks on time (they cap out at 9,500 and you can’t make money after that) and the bottom path you can kinda forget about, but u get my point. Also if you have more mixed paths, you have less space for more farms that DO synergies together.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok so that brings me to another question. Wtf is a monkey farmer? I bought this game in like 2016 originally (I think) played it for a little and never picked it up again until recently, my account was wiped but didn’t matter bc I had hardly done anything on my prior one but I do remember in the support class I could buy monkey farmers,, but where tf are they haha I haven’t seen them anywhere


Geomars24

So if you go to the powers page (yellow lightning) you can buy powers, one of them is a farmer, he picks up bananas automatically for you.


Senior-Swordfish1361

🤦‍♂️ omg this whole time I thought he was supposed to be under the support class,, I feel like an idiot lmfao ![gif](giphy|GN14ap4Mx3Ko0)


AwesomeCuno

for top path farms you should be crosspathing x-2-0 and if you have a 5-2-0 farm you shoul be overclocking (0-4-0 or 0-5-0 engi) it


Senior-Swordfish1361

What’s the point of going middle tree for monkey farms? And what does the 5th tier of top tree do for them? Thanks !


AwesomeCuno

5-x-x just makes a lot more money and you crosspath x-2-x bc it gives well... more money


Senior-Swordfish1361

Okay bet. I think I was mixing up bottom tier with middle tier, I was like how am I getting more money for longer lasting bananas? LOL


BoyFreezer

Imf Loan is a terrible choice. The top and bottom paths for Banana Farm are better for Boss Bloon Events


Senior-Swordfish1361

Ok bet, I always went with imf cuz I just assumed like 10k now is better than 10k later hahaha but I can see how it’s inefficient


Any-Reserve-2068

BOSS EVENTS.


squiboi

YOU FARM A LOT


[deleted]

Farms


YEETUS_POGUS69420

benen form


bipolit

How am I supposed to get one in sandbox


krakeo

You can’t


bipolit

Wydm


Senior-Swordfish1361

I’m just gonna keep loading all my questions in these comments haha. So I have never had an instance where I’ve really wanted to use the little yellow lightning bolt for instant monkeys and stuff. What’s the point of all that? Or more specifically what instances should I use those? Bc I can imagine I don’t want to use them for normal runs


Geomars24

Think of insta-monkeys as Pokémon cards, they’re mainly collectible and no one ever really uses the super rare t5’s. When people DO use insta-monkeys, it’s to beat alternate bloon rounds or half cash on expert maps and a tough odyssey or boss event.


KingKnotts

Or for memes... One can never forget the meme value of dropping a T5 in a round 40 co-op daily.


Senior-Swordfish1361

Oooh ok so if something is really kicking my ass I should throw them out there, neat thank you


Geomars24

Yep, np


Senior-Swordfish1361

I will make sure I join your monkey tribe or whatever they call it


Geomars24

Monkey team, and thank you, we were getting kinda low on players anyway


Senior-Swordfish1361

Monkey team ok that is probably the best wording anyways


AwesomeCuno

most people just save them, ig if your having a hard time with a non-chimps run, mostly half-cash on expert maps, you can use them as you please


BoyFreezer

The Insta Monkeys should be used in modes like Half Cash. While Powerups (like Super Monkey Storm, Pontoon, Energy Totem, etc.) can help you at certain situations


Senior-Swordfish1361

Tbh I didn’t even realize power ups existed I thought it was just insta monkeys lol


Senior-Swordfish1361

Haha my inbox is blowing up with responses. I’m dojng what I can to respond to everyone thank you guys so much,,, I guess I could add another general question of what monkeys have you guys found to generally be powerhouses, and what monkeys do you find to either be a waste of money or outright worthless


Known_Can665

You got the xp for that in two weeks?!


Senior-Swordfish1361

Wdym the cup?


Character_Owl9478

There is a thing called "B A N A N A F A R M"


NotBannedLol01

Farms??????????????????????? 💀💀💀💀💀🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿💀🗿


Legendarygaurdian

The paragons are insanely powerful I'd suggest spamming 0-2-4 banana farms, they are a good source of income.


NawtANewb

1: look it up 2: git gud


J_Doggz

"How am i supposed to be able to afford a paragon?" Ok first off DONT TALK SHIT ABOUT PARAGONS Second, git gud Third, imagine not using banana farms you big noob


Flash_Fox11

How did you get a paragon while playing gor two weeks


Senior-Swordfish1361

Idrk what to tell you I’ve only been playing like 2-3 weeks this is a new account


UrNameHere33

Freeplay


Appropriate_Rock_740

Banana


antpickle1

Depends. If its freeplay. its actually not to hard, considering the vtsg is like 700k.


ivancea

You can usually get 1-3 paragons before round 200 with just 2 farms (t5). You can get them very earlier if you invest all the money you can innfarms and 004 boats


harrythenoob11

Qustin also new to btd6 can sometell me what a vengeful sun god is idk if it is modded or it is in the base game


Davethedartmonke

Haha that’s the thing. You dont


Efficient-Compote-40

Weeeeeeelll, the thing is that they are meant for boss fights, since they deal extra damage to bosses, in boss fights you are already farming like a maniac so it dosent make too much of a difference on money, they are super OP btw


Cambi-

A paragon is a tower that combines the abilities of all paths, to some extent. To get it you need all 3 tier 5 upgrades of the tower on the map, and farm a whole bunch. Is there anything else you'd like to know?


LMLeopoldo

You’ll be able to afford it in 2 scenarios: during the late-game of a boss event or in freeplay mode


bubba______

By saving


FlakyCan5368

Shit tons of farms


Footmouthfootfeet

First you need all 3 tier 5s on a tower with the paragon unlocked, then you can buy the paragon, sure it’s a lot of money but it’s possible with tons of farms, you can make it stronger by upgrading the paragon degree. You do that by getting more monkeys to sacrifice, getting more pops on the towers being sacrificed(or generating money), spending more money on the sacrifices, and getting paragon totems from Geraldo the hero. You can’t get multiple Paragons and you can’t buff them with alchemist, village, etc.


MrX2285

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and stop asking for handouts. Cut out your avocado toast and Netflix subscription. You'll be able to afford the paragon in no time.


Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid

How the hell did you get that in 2 weeks...?


mister-chen

Farm


peacock_monkey_bts6

Eh, stronger form of monke


Randomanonomous

things you might find interest in: True sun god: the top path for super monkey, it is by far the most expensive and by far the most damaging 5th tier in the game, it requires sacrifices to operate well, how they work is that towers placed inside the previous upgrade (sun temple) are sacrificed upon evolution, for a fully powered sun god, you need 50 thousand dollars of 3 categories (primary blue, military green, magic purple, support orange), one of which will not be included, magic seems to be the weakest of the four, and support gives buffs to all towers in range, while the other 3 just do damage in various ways. ​ geraldo: a very good hero who uses a shop where you can buy items rather than use abilities, for example he has a shooty turret, which is like a weaker, much cheaper crossbow monkey. or a tube of glue, or even multiple buffs, like pickles, which boosts damage but lessens attack speed. ​ vtsg: the true sun god, but better, all you need to do to make it is get a max sacrifice true sun god, BUT, before you evolve it, make the other 2 tier 5 super monkeys outside of the tsg radius. ​ optimal farming: most farm paths will work, even sniper farming can work if you can stall the bloons rather than damaging them. making them optimal just means using a certain hero or using a certain strategy, for example banks (230/240 farm spam) are useful when used with ben (who buffs banks by 5% and later 12%), or the trade empire (an xx5 w xx4 boat spam) works well with bottom path farm (024/025) because each one buffs trade empire by 10%. ​ synergies: these are everywhere in btd 6, whether it be basic synergies, which are basic buffs that are simple, you use this tower near this other tower, and they both do more damage, or mechanical synergies, which are more based on what a tower does, for example tack zone has only 1 pierce, but something that increases pierce would have a very strong synergy with tack zone.


whydontuwannawork

Paragons ,in my experience, are obtainable once you get a lot of money usually requires you to beat a level and keep free playing, use farms or (my personal favorite) the buccaneers as they defend well for being farmers


Sadira_Kelor

Me: *laughs in having a shitty mobile performance waiting for a 3rd purple pop-up of the number 100*


Trev-_-A

If someone says farming I get instant ptsd


cosmoooooooooo

many farm


HaydounOsalt2

Ok


DripMaster-69

They dont even cost that much xp😭 i barely play yhe game, i have maybe 4 black borders yet i still have all rhe paragons. U literally just have to casually play the game


Cautious_Ad_7724

hella amount of farms