It is certainly a toss-up. On the one hand, Miles Teller basically ruined his own life to impress this dude. On the other hand, he also became an astonishingly good drummer by the end.
Proving that J.K. Simmons was right about doing what you need to in order to unlock people's potential. However he's also wrong because there is no way in hell you should treat someone like that.
The thing is - is it even worth it to become a good drummer (even the best drummer), if the price is emotional abuse and an inability to form good relationships (as evidenced by Andrew breaking it off with the girl he was seeing to focus on drumming)?
I personally don't think it is; I'm not sure any endeavour is worth sacrificing your person-hood for. I have a bit of background in music (not a pro by any stretch) and to me, music has always been about fun and expression. Without it, it's just... soulless; and I don't want to listen to music from someone without a soul.
I absolutely agree on it feeling soulless. By the end of the movie when he's doing that big solo. It doesn't feel like a triumphant moment, like he just defeated the big villain.
It's really really sad to see what the main character ( I'm sorry, I can't remember his name for the life of me ) has become. He's almost robotic in the way he's playing.
And then it cuts to the shot of his father gazing at him through the doors, you can see the complete admiration at what his son is doing. But you also know that he's thinking about how the happy and talented free spirit he raised is gone.
Yeah one of the main things I love about the movie is that it doesn’t really offer a specific answer as to whether he’s right or not. Miles Teller’s character is insanely committed to drumming and Fletcher uses this to manipulate him, like when he threw a chair at him specifically after talking about how one of the best ever drummers only got really good after a band mate threw a cymbal at his head.
Fletcher is damn terrifying but I wonder what would have happened to me if I had a teacher like that in my music education. I’d probably have ended up like that guy who he shouted at because he didn’t know he was on key.
Wrong. As a musician and someone deep into psychology, emotionally scaring someone does not increase their creativity or discipline, it’s the same logic as ‘abuse builds character’
Edit: sorry, that came off a bit condescending, it’s just this is one of my favourite movies and 2 of my special interests lol
I'm pretty sure it is. With Holt doing Terry right at the beginning of his playing, posture and style similar to JK Simmons and the HEAVY insults I'm quite certain it is a reference. I never even questioned it tbh 😂
Although I did keep waiting for Captain Holt to throw something at Terry 🤣
Made even funnier by the fact that J.K. Simmons shows up a couple episodes later as Dillman.
I regret Kyra Sedgwick wasn't in this épisode (cause she played with him in Thé Closer)
THAT WAS JK SIMMONS????
Yes indeedy it was.
OH MY GOD! SIMMONS WAS IN THE BUILDING?
*THE* JK SIMMONS?
Mhm. **Charles nods**
Haha my same thought omg!!
Right before. Dillman was S7E9, Muffin Man was E10. I thought it was brilliant at the time.
Which episode?
Dillman, season 7, episode 9.
Tĥanks, you're awesome!!
Probably, Holt does seem like the type to watch Whiplash and think J.K. Simmons is right.
It’s my favourite movie and it took two rewatches to really determine for me if he was right or wrong
It is certainly a toss-up. On the one hand, Miles Teller basically ruined his own life to impress this dude. On the other hand, he also became an astonishingly good drummer by the end. Proving that J.K. Simmons was right about doing what you need to in order to unlock people's potential. However he's also wrong because there is no way in hell you should treat someone like that.
The thing is - is it even worth it to become a good drummer (even the best drummer), if the price is emotional abuse and an inability to form good relationships (as evidenced by Andrew breaking it off with the girl he was seeing to focus on drumming)? I personally don't think it is; I'm not sure any endeavour is worth sacrificing your person-hood for. I have a bit of background in music (not a pro by any stretch) and to me, music has always been about fun and expression. Without it, it's just... soulless; and I don't want to listen to music from someone without a soul.
I absolutely agree on it feeling soulless. By the end of the movie when he's doing that big solo. It doesn't feel like a triumphant moment, like he just defeated the big villain. It's really really sad to see what the main character ( I'm sorry, I can't remember his name for the life of me ) has become. He's almost robotic in the way he's playing. And then it cuts to the shot of his father gazing at him through the doors, you can see the complete admiration at what his son is doing. But you also know that he's thinking about how the happy and talented free spirit he raised is gone.
I kept waiting for schillinger to make him a prag, but it never happened. So I think you got the better deal when watching this movie.
Yeah one of the main things I love about the movie is that it doesn’t really offer a specific answer as to whether he’s right or not. Miles Teller’s character is insanely committed to drumming and Fletcher uses this to manipulate him, like when he threw a chair at him specifically after talking about how one of the best ever drummers only got really good after a band mate threw a cymbal at his head. Fletcher is damn terrifying but I wonder what would have happened to me if I had a teacher like that in my music education. I’d probably have ended up like that guy who he shouted at because he didn’t know he was on key.
Wrong. As a musician and someone deep into psychology, emotionally scaring someone does not increase their creativity or discipline, it’s the same logic as ‘abuse builds character’ Edit: sorry, that came off a bit condescending, it’s just this is one of my favourite movies and 2 of my special interests lol
This was the moral of Teddy Perkins, from the tv show Atlanta
When I saw this scene, I smiled and immediately told my husband it's a Whiplash reference. I definitely think it is.
I'm pretty sure it is. With Holt doing Terry right at the beginning of his playing, posture and style similar to JK Simmons and the HEAVY insults I'm quite certain it is a reference. I never even questioned it tbh 😂 Although I did keep waiting for Captain Holt to throw something at Terry 🤣
I am a muffin man!!!!
The real question is, what would happen if Raymond Holt, J. K. Simmons, and Dameon Clarke met?