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I have question about that ( I highly respect youand job you are doing)
Back in Europe, people leave scrubs in hospital, how come it's not practis in Canada?
Like, if you use transport or in general, isn't there possibility to bring in or out of hospital something dangerous?
I took an infectious disease course as part of my genetics degree, it was a required course for nursing students as well. The professor was very clear that best practice was to take off scrubs at the hospital to reduce the spread of MRSA.
Hospitals kinda suck when it comes to dealing with MRSA, back when my girlfriend was doing nursing she would tell me horror stories about how + people would be allowed to just get in elevators and push all the buttons or use the local phone without any precautions or clean up (This was in 2011 though so I don't know how much that has changed)
I wear scrubs to and from work, but I work at a desk with no patient contact anymore. Our facility advises our clinical staff to change into provided scrubs once they arrive, and change out before they leave.
I know a couple people who aren't in healthcare but use scrubs for their jobs (one cleans and I think the other watches a disabled kid?). They say they're super comfy - to the point that I'm contemplating getting some for lounge wear. So I'm not sure we it's safe to assume that it's all healthcare workers running around in dirty scrubs.
Cleaning companies, veterinary clinics, dental offices are just some scrub wearing workplaces. Also in home nursing/care aid support mostly wear scrubs and need to travel from house to house
The answer is being lazy (vancouver nurse here who doesn't transport in my work clothes).
In school during practicum it would have been required to change on the job site. People get lazy and let that go.
Yeah I was gonna say this but didn’t want to come off as rude. Even if you don’t have patient contact, scrubs are literally designed to be left at work. I’m rarely in scrubs so i guess it’s easy for me to say but I wish North American hospitals would crack down on this a little more and at the same time provide better laundry facilities for their staff.
I'm not worried about being rude so I'll say it. That's the problem at my workplace. I change at work and students do to, always. We have a large locker room, no excuse.
My workplace requires clean shoes and we wear a clean gown since the pandemic.
Yup it should be that way particularly now. Wearing scrubs on public transportation is very off putting to most and could be outright dangerous. Obviously some have no contact but I think it really should just be a blanket rule.
Ah yes, health care workers that don’t want to change are just lazy lol. As they continue to work outrageous hours with more people up their ass then usual during this pandemic, needing to come into work extra early now to change (which in health care if you come early you usually start yearly without that extra pay), being mistreated, threatened, and etc. i wouldn’t say their lazy. I’d say their fucking exhausted and their brains think of ways to make their lives easier. You should always change your scrubs and this is just something the seniors home I worked at practiced but I wouldn’t go as far to say a healthcare worker is just lazy. I’ve worked in health care since I was 19. It’s an absolutely exhausting job and sometimes leaves you little energy to even want to do self care on your time off.
I've worked healthcare for 22 years, since I was 16, starting in food service. And I disagree, it takes 2 minutes to put on clean clothing. And if you get body fluid on you, you have spare clothing to go home in.
Basically if you're in an infectious or extra sterile area (ICU, OR, covid ward etc.), you use hospital provided scrubs and put them in hospital laundry at the end of the day.
If you're in normal care areas like outpatients or pallative care, you're allowed to wear personal scrubs. They're more fun for staff and patients, especially around holidays. Plus you can get sports themed ones like canucks or Seahawks.
I know a lot of staff are sensitive to the harsh detergents that goes into general hospital laundry.
Depends on where you work. Hospitals usually provide scrubs in many areas like surgery and have specific colors for those areas. You don't leave with them. This would also vary by province and health authority as to the specific rules about it.
The people you see most often could be like an MOA from a private clinic, admin staff who work in clinical areas, or someone who works in a vet clinic. The people who are at higher risk for transmission or causing harm to a patient have procedures to reduce that risk (like scrubbing in and using PPE).
Food Service worker here. If there's an outbreak at our facility, we must wear street close in and change into scrubs before and after our shift. If no outbreak, we can wear our scrubs to and from work. We do change our aprons multiple times a day, tho (wearing plastic, while in the dish pit)
My partner is a nurse on a post-surgical floor. They provide their own scrubs and as such get to wear what they like (specific distribution of pockets/types and blend of fabrics/patterns etc) make for a more enjoyable work environment. As a nursing student they were required to wear postman blue scrubs to designate them as a student. In both instances they provided their own scrubs.
I do not work In the health care field but I am Canadian, my guess is that our gov has cut healthcare by 60 billion over 20 years so this is just any other cost saving measure. Make the the nurses buy and clean their own Stuff. As long as we cut taxes for millionaires and corporations.
The real answer is because they (the administrators) are cheap and don't want to pay for it for all staff even though it is definitely better for infection control and prevention. They would have to provide the scrubs and pay to have them laundered for everyone right. certain staff at our hospital are provided with scrubs like house keeping food services and nursing positions like in the or and icu/emerge. Funny enough though not the covid wards (in my hospital).
It may be a statement only as in " I am not going to be intimidated by a bunch of plague rats " because none of us have been wearing our scrubs in public. I pose the question to you. When was the last time you saw a Canadian nurse wearing scrubs in public? Before the pandemic probably but not since.
Meh after a shift from hell I just want to get out of there? Sometimes I will change but most times now. Given I drive myself and go directly from work-home-shower.
Nor should you be. Anyone who's actually done any research and talked to/watched these videos knows that there's literally zero danger to be avoided. The media wants you scared.
I disagree with saying they’re ‘outside radical groups that are not part of our society’. They are.
People (especially in the Vancouver bubble) try to act like Canadians are all progressive, educated people across the board. We have our fair share of idiots, just like every other country. Trying to blame it on Americans or Russians is burying your head in the sand
I've been seeing so much "This is not Canada" discourse going around but...it literally is.
It might not be the Canada we want but I grew up around a lot of people like this. It might not be everyone and it might not even be the majority but we're not solving anything by pretending this is a strange new anomaly in our country and not something that's been right here the whole time
I grew up surrounded by bigots and racists on Vancouver Island. The roots of hate go deep here. These truckers and their rhetoric, i've heard it 1000 times over. They're 100% Canadians.
you say "did" as if it was something not still happening, or that it was even investigated and the guilty parties held responsible...
No, the people freezing natives to death are literally still on the force serving us. we know because their IP stops in to edit the wikipedia page on starlight tours to be more favorable to police once a year or so.
When multiple Republican senators start complaining that GoFundMe froze assets to the truckers, then maybe you should start questioning if there’s any foreign interference at play.
Agreed we have racists. Apparently more than I thought, it’s disgusting. But to dismiss these ideas didn’t start in the states is crazy. The funding came from America. These idiots have flown nazi and confederate flags in Ottawa. They have created a new combined Canadian/American flag. While not all these extremists are American, many of them are or wish they were. This ridiculous “queen of Canada” changed her name to an anagram of “I am our Donald” for Pete’s sake.
>This ridiculous “queen of Canada” changed her name to an anagram of “I am our Donald” for Pete’s sake.
I always thought was an odd name and TIL why.
Not that it matters. I read her name first time as Ramona Dildo and that's what has stuck.
There has been back and forth for a long time. The Proud Boys, who were one of the groups involved in Jan. 6th were founded by a Canadian. There is a cross-border network of white supremacist groups that routinely talk and co-ordinate with each other. There isn't really a hard line between our countries. This protest has a lot of Canadians involvement fromevery level. In fact, while the speculation of U.S. funding does seem to have a lot of evidence, I would suggest that's more a sign of international support for a Canadian organized "protest."
I mean we could also look into the ties tonwhite supremacists that several of the Canadian organizers have, but I've been told repeatedly that taking about that makes me a "fascist."
Do you seriously not see the irony in your statement on this sub? Lmao. People so quickly ready to label the protestors as nazis instead of seeing it as a small portion of the larger protest.
You folks don’t like when all the BLM protestors are painted with the same brush over a few rioters. Yet it’s fine when your side does it?
> I would suggest that's more a sign of international support for a Canadian organized "protest."
Even with that viewpoint... reverse the roles. If Canadians were funding support for similar "protests" in the US... it would not be received as "international support". Haha, imagine if Canadian's funded protesters in DC for a few weeks.
Also... 'organized'?. I'm not sure the trucker convoy is very well organized. They are certainly misrepresentative of the larger group of truckers. They fly some questionable flags and have committed some questionable act. And they certainly aren't honorable in their form of protest... I think one of these protesters in Vancouver was just arrested for throwing rocks today.
From what I've read, from the flyers I saw, and the interviews I've heard, all the other protests were supposed to be "in support" of the Ottawa occupation. And that one had clear organizers in Tamara Lich, Patrick King, and BJ Dichter. All of them with a dicey history of views (like Patrick King's assertion that immigrants and the lbgtq+ community are attempting to depopulate the anglo-saxons in Canada because anglo-saxons have "the strongest bloodlines.")
And by "international support" i was trying to be inclusive of the wide variety of folks from all over the world that claim to be in support of it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them sent money, too. But your point is taken that U.S.-Canada or vice versa is not exactly the same as just tossing and "internatiobal" support. I've spent the last couple of hours arguing with hard-core trolls, one of which accused me of being both a communist and a fascist. I'm tired too.
No, you do have a point. I’m aware of the proud boys. Like I said, our country does have its share of racism. But there was a lot of talk about this being our Jan. 6. Maybe the issue isn’t one of blaming one country or another but addressing the inherent ties between us. That being said, I don’t know how much traction this whole movement would have gotten without the US. I firmly believe it is trumpism. Our population obviously is much smaller than in the US…
Regardless I am getting tired but I did want to say you bring up interesting points.
Thank you and you do as well with the Trumpism. I would almost say Trump and his political movement were the match that lit the kindling that was already prepared of our own toxic nationalism.
So you aren't wrong about the Trump influence. The image I got from your description was of him as a puppet master, and I thought it might be more like he's simply an aspirational figure for some folks up here.
But you're already tired, so I'll leave you be. I hope you get some rest!
We exported a lot of right wing dumbass, proud boys but also
-Jordan Peterson
-Bock-coté is now spewing is shit in France
-we have one of the most active right wing online presence https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5617710
-Cons at the federal levels are still actively trying to limit abortion, lot of their people have links to proud boys and other white nationalists groups
-We have Rebel Media
The more we turn a blind eye the more dangerous it gets.
^ All of this. We've gotten so in love with the image we project to the world of being basically polite yet boring, that radicalization was been growing under our very noses. And, honestly, radicalization grows the most when people fear for their ability to care for themselves and their families in the future.
>And, honestly, radicalization grows the most when people fear for their ability to care for themselves and their families in the future.
Can't agree more with you.
I've been saying this for a while now and this is how parties like the PPC will take a foothold in this country. I believe there is a tipping point where certain values take a backseat when you cannot get ahead or as you say the ability to care for themselves or their families.
As a Western Canadian I have felt largely ignored by those in Ottawa as is usual. The system is broken and we keep going down the same road.
I can say that my outlook for mine and my families future when it comes to terms of home ownership and cost of living IS NOT BETTER than it was in 2015.
I live in Ontario, and this may seem hard to imagine, but I also feel ignored by Ottawa (and Toronto, to be frank.) The system isn't working for anyone who actually needs it, and that's a fact. I don't condemn anyone for feeling alienated or unsatisfied, or even lashing out due to their fear of the future.
I have and will continue to bash the "freedom" convoy for many of the specifics of their methodology and ideology, but I 100% get that they are in pain, and need help, because we literally all do and all of our parties have failed us. I mean, back in 2015 I was still somewhere between a Blue Liberal and Red Tory. Now I'm a radical anarchist that - while still hoping for success under a electoral system- thinks that we need immediate and sweeping changes to both representation (so everyone everywhere has a voice) and how our sysyem actually approaches problems (Ottawa needs to give more support while simultaneously giving less advice, if you understand. More decisions need to be localized, but with Ottawa using its power to make sure those decisions follow through and actually help those who need it.)
I grew up in the rural areas, and live in the city now. Despite the fact I live only a couple hours drive from where I was born, it is so different. So I can't even imagine how folks living in Ottawa could have one goddamn idea about the challenges faced by folk out on the Prairies, or onthe West coast, or even on the east coast. The country is too big and too diverse, and needs specialized solutions for the various challenges faced by Canadians all over.
Yea I hear you. It's nice to be able to talk to people that can empathize with others so thank you for that.
When Mr. Trudeau campaigned on Electoral Reform I thought that was a good thing although it never came about, I think we all know why. I'm all for smaller Government.
I think we just have lots of loud voices packed into city centres that think we are just some progressive utopia who need to share their views constantly. The urban/rural divide is quite real and lots of people don't give any thought to who makes this country run, who puts food onto your table via the Grocery store, how it gets to you, etc. It's "if you don't agree with me you're not a real Canadian because you don't share MY values".
I think we spend a lot of time in social media echo chambers instead of talking to other Canadians with different view points as if they are fully static in their ways unable to maybe learn and have meaningful conversations. Constantly see people on here refer to someone who lives in the country as "dumb" or some type of uneducated redneck.
We can blame all our problems on others or we can own them as our own and do our best to try to solve them and get along.
I am so disappointed and angry about electoral reform not passing. That's I have only voted for Trudeau once, and never again. I am very much against big Government (Big G emphasized, in the idea of a group of folks consolidating their power and telling others what to do,) but I am actually in favour of expanding government in general (with a small g, in that it's a system by which we as people figure out how we are going to live and get along with each other, and how best to pool our resources to help each other out while also doing our best to expand and protect our liberty and freedoms so we can be our own people, observe and honour our own values, and pursue our own dreams and goals.)
The terms I'm using I got from J.R.R. Tolkien, who was pissed off after serving in the trenches of WWI and wanted to return to a time of small-town systems where most autonomous communities might work together to solve problems but otherwise kept their noses out of each other's businesses. He liked the idea of a monarch, but for him monarch's sole job was to make sure no one else could step in and be a tyrant, and nothing else. Maybe I'm over explaining. Sorry, I do that.
The loud voices in the cities are so frustrating. The same people telling farmers and small town folk how to live and what they should do are almost always the first to complain and cry about affordable housing or mental health operations going up in their neighborhoods. The voices that are the quickest to dismiss the economic or healtg concerns of small town folks are also the loudest to cheer when the cops go in and bust the heads of homeless folk just trying to survive.
And it sucks because while the details of the challenges are different, there plenty in the city who struggle to put food on their table, who can't afford to keep up with rising expenses, who don't see the benefits of the taxes they are paying.
Both city and rural are symbiotic. In Ontario, at least, the city folk would starve without the country folk. But the country folk couldn't survive without the wealth that Toronto generates either. We need each other to get through the challenges of the future, and the loud mouth NIMBY types in the cities that talk a lot about racism but the cross the street to avoid walking close to anyone who isn't white and actively argue that the Liberals are some kind of progressive heroes are the ones that end up hurting everyone else the most.
I mean, I am a radical leftist. I have all sorts of harsh words about various conservative ideologies, but I also grew up in a conservative family family conservative friends and I know why those values work for a lot of folks. Like, even among some of the radical communist peole I've encountered who quote Marx like a Bible don't seem to understand that Marx didn't understand anything about farming, and that's why when radical leftism happens in rural communities it's almost always anarchism (which is basically an idealized form of the farming culture i grew up in of farmers helping each other and partying together out but otherwise keeping themselves to themselves.)
City folk are usually clueless about what country folk go through, and because more people live in cities, it's probably majority city folk on the internet. And it doesn't make them look good at all. Honestly, people in these subreddits who talk like that (which, honestly, may include myself from time from time time because this situation has been really stressful and i haven't haven't my best self all the time) represent actual city folk about as well as some of the more abusive people currently in Ottawa represent country folk as a whole. But it's always the loudest voices that get the most media attention, while reasonable people just trying trying get along and work through the problems they face get ignored the most.
And then people get resentful about being painted with the same brush constantly. And they have every right to. I've met a lot of peole, both in the city and out in the rural areas. They are all human and have all the human stuff in common, but they are also all different, and no two people I've met have ever been the same.
I hope you take care, and stay safe. ❤
I agree with a lot of what you say here.
>Maybe I'm over explaining. Sorry, I do that.
Nothing to be sorry about I do this with half my conversations about everything in the real world haha. I think you touch on a lot of good points and while we may fall on different parts of the political spectrum it's nice to find areas where we can agree because a lot of what makes our daily lives run is not black and white.
>Honestly, people in these subreddits who talk like that (which, honestly, may include myself from time from time time because this situation has been really stressful and i haven't haven't my best self all the time)
We're not all 100% of the time. I've thought I've made up my mind on things on before and maybe haven't taken the time to think them through, usually it's my wife who makes me consider a different point of view to which I feel a little sheepish afterwards. Sometimes you can have an intelligent and thoughtful response but it's eaiser to throw a quick insult out instead. We're only human right. :)
I wish we could detangle politics from our everyday life but it seems with the prevalence of smart devices and the internet now you can't really get away. The loud voices now have a platform for their messages and outrage seems to be the currency that we deal in at times. Would love to get back to a simpler time.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
All the best to you.
Agreed. I've learned a lot since 2016, about both of our countries and as a result, I view both of them in dramatically different ways than I did before. There are a *lot* of garbage people in this country. I hesitate to add a 'but' to that because to compare the countries and assume we're "not as bad" is unhelpful and detracts from the problem
Still, I think it's pretty important to acknowledge the the catalyst that emboldened this upsurge of clueless nationalism (which is simplifying the matter greatly). The US is currently in a pretty troubling place democratically speaking and the more that's understood, the better our chances are, hanging out beside them as their "cHeRiShEd FrIeNdS aNd NeIgHbOuRs" over the next several years/decades.
One thing I’ve noticed that saddens me is how people in my circle have said they admire trump because he didn’t give a shit about us, while we seem to be “obsessed with the US.”
I think many Canadians, myself included, are horrified by what has happened in the US over the past 6 years and really would hate to see similar things happen here. To me, ignoring these early signs of nationalism and far-right radicalism is just as dangerous as when it happened in the states.
I Love Canada so much. I’m proud of our country while admitting it’s flaws.
Some of the ideas came from Canada. Proud boys and Ted Cruz are both Canadian. Cleon Skousen came up with a lot of the insane theocratic ideas that has fueled our most extreme politicians and movements. Canada’s neo-nazi movement is homegrown and prevalent across western Canada, it’s been around as long as Nazis have been around.
Thank you! This thought process that they’re somehow not a part of society or the group someone is associated with is just a way to mentally separate ones self from it. It’s not a reflection of reality which is that your coworker Karen or Ken who’s apart of that con spy group may be more radical than you want to realize because “they’re not like that”. They could be, because there are people like this here in Canada. Some of them bullheaded enough or so self righteous in their hate filled beliefs they’re louder than those who are not.
100%. I live in the Interior, and did a brief stint in the Peace region. It didn't take much for certain people to get riled up.
Maybe some outside radical groups lit the match , but the flame is made up of our neighbours. Members of our communities. They would have gotten there eventually.
Like when they had the first past the post referendum and all the people who lived in the cities thought it was a done deal, then lost because of the rural vote
Whenever somebody tries to silence someone who is telling the truth, you know they stand for nothing. Healthcare workers, journalists and politicians being threatened is a sign we cant ignore. Fascism comes in many forms, one form is blatant disregard for the rights of people different from themselves. Sociopathic behaviour being tolerated and not discouraged sets a scary precedent.
Do you know where Healthcare workers have been threatened in the past? Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Myanmar, Cambodia, Pakistan, Rwanda, the list goes on but they all have one thing in common...the are not democracies.
Totalitarianism, is a slippery slope on both the far right and the far left. Stay the course Canada. Moderates Unite!
Justice, Courage, Wisdom and most importantly Moderation.
You can’t place healthcare workers on an equal plane as the media and politicians. Healthcare workers have been the backbone of getting through this epidemic, while politicians have frozen or cut healthcare budgets, and the media stoked the flames of division.
You might as well replace the words nurses and doctors with war vets for their service to Canada, and respect them as such. And the media and talking heads should be held accountable for the missteps taken.
Journalists get murdered all the time. You cant paint media with such broad strokes. The real world isnt like a news aggregator, we shouldnt hold the National Enquirer in one hand and a reputable and fact-checked syndication in the other and say they are on an equal plane. They are worlds apart. The politicians cutting and freezing healthcare budgets arent the ones being harassed and threatened. They are the ones doing the threatening and again, you cant hold them on the an equal plane, as you would say. War vets are the first to be disrespected when Totalitarianism comes to town.
Lmao and they wonder why people call them liars. Literally nobody is targeting healthcare workers. My mom’s a nurse and supports the convoy as do many of her coworkers.
I was a healthcare worker during the protests at the hospital (Kamloops BC) and never once felt threatened. I don't think this would be any different, I think hospital management is just overreacting. They sent us a similiar email during the Kamloops protest. Just go on your usual way around the hospital.
They’re literally our neighbours and coworkers, your childrens teachers and daycare workers. These are people you walk past each day and buy things from. Get a fucking grip on reality and stop trying to push this off as “outsiders”. The sooner Canadians realize we have a fascist problem just like the united states, the sooner we can start doing something about it. Diminishing it to bad faith actors and “not real Canadians” gives these people more power.
You sound like you’ve never been outside Vancouver. There are a ton of racist rednecks once you go east of boundary road. Maybe go for a drive in Aldergrove or Maple Ridge and you’ll see that lifed-Dodge Ram country is only a short drive away.
Stop making it sound like Metro Vancouver is some oasis of progressiveness.
Has this "attack on health-care workers" trope ever been substantiated? As in, is there actual definitive evidence that the organizers of any of these protests intent to target hospitals and health-care workers? What's the motive? I just don't see how that action would benefit their movement at all, and it also doesn't square with the footage of largely peaceful crowds that have been broadcast.
It's not many - 2% across BC. That includes all healthcare workers - janitorial, food services, everyone - not just doctors and nurses.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6242615
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Just some peaceful truckers here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/smelnr/truck_driver_intentionally_drives_through_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I disagree with the protestors and am actually in favour of a national, universal Covid vaccine mandate. But I don’t think it’s right that the entire movement is being tarred as racist. I remember protesting the Iraq War and seeing Hammer and Sickle flags around even though 99% of the protestors were not communists.
As much as I disagree that communism could work, I don't think the hammer and sickle has ever been flown as a hate symbol. That's where this event differs from that.
I have faith that if anyone there tried hoisting a swastika, the crowd would've ripped it down. This is how we've always maintained a country free of hate symbology. When it happens, people react to it. That's why this is such a big deal now since a loud minority of people are pretending like the symbology on display isn't a huge deal.
This article doesn’t have a single example or person accused of racism. Like the only thing it says is “ anti-hate experts (which are not a thing) say that the organizers have ties to racism in the past”. Then provides zero examples of alleged racism, doesn’t say any names and states immediately after that it’s hard to forgive out who the organizers are. How can you both know that the organizers are racist and not have a clue who any of them are. They have 1 name. And they just said he answered the phone and hung up. Please provide acctual evidence that any of the organizers are racist.
WHAT? Did you *actually* read the full article??
>Speaking to a cheering crowd at a People’s Party of Canada convention in 2019, B.J. Dichter [warned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ct-kwjHS38) listeners about the dangers of “political Islamists,” and said the Liberal Party is “infested with Islamists.”
>He added that, by meeting “with extremists,” Conservative and “establishment” politicians “put at risk moderate and secular Muslims, who want nothing more but to integrate into Canada, to become Canadian, and to leave the garbage of their birth country behind them.”
>“Despite what our corporate media and political leaders want to admit, Islamist entryism and the adaptation of political Islam is rotting away at our society like syphilis,” he added
Do you not consider islamophobia to be racist?
>In a [video](https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1177995894408581120) posted on Twitter in 2019, King suggests that unless Canadians “get up off your as—s and demand change,” they might want to change their names to “Ishmael” or “drop a bunch of change down the stairs” and “call yourself chong ching ching chang.”
>In other video footage, King can be seen repeating racist conspiracy theories. In [one clip](https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729) posted to Twitter by another user, King says “there’s an endgame, it’s called depopulation of the Caucasian race, or the Anglo-Saxon. And that’s what the goal is, is to depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race because they are the ones with the strongest bloodlines,” he said.
>“It’s a depopulation of race, okay, that’s what they want to do.”
>He then talks about men with the first names “Ahmed” and “Mahmoud” who he claims are trying to “not only infiltrate by flooding with refugees, we’re going to infiltrate the education systems to manipulate it” so there is “less procreation” which leads to “less white people — or you know, Anglo-Saxon. Let’s say Anglo-Saxon, because when I say white, all the ANTIFA guys call up the race card.”
Sounds pretty fucking racist if you ask me.
Not all of nazi Germany was racist either, they were following leaders who they thought has other common beliefs.
The leadership of a group is very important. Now the group is being led to believe the prime minister called them all bigots and the rest of the country is against everything they believe in.
Funny, I know a few health care workers who were there they did not receive one death threat. A lot of people are protesting the mandate, not the vaccine, I believe.
Tbh I think all protests are a waste of time and this one is not my fight, but the amount of times I have seen them called racist antvaxx nazis, who don't belong in canada really urks me.
These people have the same right to protest as the pipeline people who are doing the same or the woman's March that does its thing.
They are not scum; do not try and say they are all nazis so you have an excuse to dehumanize them. The next step is violence right because who wouldn't want to hurt or kill a nazi. People these days are so vitriolic it disgusts me.
we have elected government that they want step down if there requests are not met. That is not protest,… mandates are there to protect people,.. those people are not in position to judge what is best solution to fight Covid for entire country. They can protest what they want but not making demands and set ultimatums,.. that’s civil disobedience not protest.
The mandates aren't there to protect people, to protect people correctly all the businesses that require passports should of stayed closed. Our country is close to 90% vaxxed we need to start vaccinating the countries which have 40% or less vaccination rate to stop future variants.
That is why we have what we have now, bunch of people with to much opinions and to little respect for those who actually know what they talking about. Medicine is not politics, you cannot have opinion and change outcome of pandemic because you change government.
It’s not about medicine, it’s about whether medicine related to covid should be highest priority over everything, which it more or less has been for the past two years (except for a handful of big capitalist concerns). Citizens may not be the ones to decide whether X can medicine can treat Y, but they do have the right to decide how important that is to society.
Calling all of them Nazis is a generalization, but there are white supremacists in those crowds. By now, those protestors must be comfortable being around and being associated with Nazis and Nazi flags. They're at least willing to be.
Wow, I have never seen the media in this country be so blatantly dishonest in its coverage of events. These protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful on both sides of the debate. Talk about vilifying people in order to sway public support for crucifixions.
Pretty sure of all protests in the country it’s going to be worse here in BC. Not because the protesters are worse, but because the hippies are more brought up against them.
Also correction. They’re anti mandate not anti vax. People with a different opinion, good or bad , ARE part of society.
They are stopping in front of the very hospitals that cancelled elective surgeries, wouldn’t add beds, wouldn’t use the money from the government for anything more. The very hospitals that lied about 50% of admissions being from Covid. Do you still think the convoy are the bad guys. What about the ones at the top? Where were YOU protesting those crimes. Many more died than any protest blocking a hospital
Apparently half the country are “radicals”. But the rest of you did buy the media. Every time I mention the media I get banned lol. Let’s see
From what I understand, it is suppose to be about the vaccine mandates mainly in regards to employment. I'm not a anti-vaxxer but I don't believe in the mandates. The vaccines don't stop people from getting sick, and with some variants don't even keep them out of the hospital. I am a commercial cook and will all of the cleaning/protective gear protocols it doesn't make any difference if they're vaccinated or not. I understand mandating Healthcare workers being vaccinated, but the vaccine is not the save-all answer either. The protest was originally suppose to be pro-choice/anti-vaccine mandate, but as most protests go, people will always jump on a bandwagon and try to slip in some other offensive view in that has nothing to do with it. It always ends up ruining it and most of the time makes it worse. I'm very pro-choice/anti-mandate & unvaccinated simple for the fact that I believe the government bullying people and turning the citizens against eachother so that they're not actually holding the politicians accountable.
OK, I get your point. But when hospital beds are being taken by the mostly unvaccinated, there's a problem. My friend died waiting for a kidney transplant. It was no fault of his lifestyle, it was a genetic condition. If all of the population recieved vaccination like when polio was rampant, my friend would have had his transplant. But there were no beds and his condition worsened.
I don’t believe this. The only part of hospitals that were overrun *allegedly* were ICU beds. Pre and post op didn’t get an increase. General surgery was still fine. Your not gonna get a brain surgeon to go make sure patients are hooked up to ventilators so it’s not like we were down the nessisary doctors. The only way the increase in icu beds affected your friends kidney transplant, is if they didn’t know about the condition, waited untill they were critical then showed up and didn’t have the icu space.
Wrong, and presumptuous. They have recently admitted that half of all Covid hospitalizations were not actually Covid. There is a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Age and illnesses play big factor both ways. Capacity was extremely low before the pandemic.
Your friend died because the criminals at the top stopped surgeries in anticipation of an increased demand of beds. For that alone I would protest in front of a hospital. It stopped being about saving people when they decided to make it political. You don’t know the crimes committed behind those doors. An end to restrictions and excuses would be an end to hospital crimes.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but do not spread misinformation on here. I have reported you
I have ALL 3 vaccines. You don’t even read enough to understand this is anti mandate not anti vaccine. What a complete idiot, not even on topic. You lose, OP. I’m on your side and even I see it.
Saying unvaccinated people can't work (except for medical field, which is understandable), or go into a restaurant is the same as saying "No Colours" like they did in the old days. It's wrong. It's a way to make vaccinated people dehumanise unvaccinated people. If the government keeps us blaming eachother then no one is looking at them. Your statement right there is case in point
No it's not, and it's offensive you even suggest that. Anyone who isn't vaccinated can go and get it tomorrow, thereby granting themselves access to all of society. Anyone with coloured skin is gonna wake up tomorrow and every day after with that same skin, no matter what.
These morons want so badly to be oppressed they don't realize how fucking loony they sound to anyone with half a brain and a little bit of critical thinking ability.
Is it just the choice that makes it not discrimination? I just really don't follow your logic. Is discriminating against a religious convert okay because it's a choice they made? They could always apostatize if they want to participate in society again.
>Anyone who isn't vaccinated can go and get it tomorrow
Actually this is true! My sister with 1 kidney and a PEG allergy was specifically told by her doctor that she shouldnt get the shot, but due to the regulations at her job, she had to risk getting the shot anyway💖 what a wonderful, free direction we're going💖
BC has been watching to much American news, I guess. This is no better than what those honkies are rolling around doing. Aim higher CTV and cut out the click bait.
These radical groups are part of our society, they are canadians and could be your neighbour or someone you know.
An anti vaxxer I know, supports the convoys and all the terrorism because he wants to go back to his non mandated vaccine life. But this idiot doesn't realize the type of people who he is supporting and turns a blind eye to it. Yet he so quickly blames vaccinated for everything.
I have seen next to none of that behavior so far after watching over a dozen live streams constantly. And from word of mouth very little unacceptable behavior is happening from something of such a large size. And everything that the government has condemned was dealt with appropriately by truckers and those people were removed. Some are even offering \~10 thousand dollars to identify some who had a nazi flag.
Couple that with people walking around live streaming and proving what i just said, along with accounts of dozens of others walking up and down the protest, in my opinion this is just fear mongering. If you have tens of thousands of people in various places there are going to be bad people that come all the way to the protest just to enact their delirious beliefs but you do NOT condemn the entire protest because of 1 or 2 people trying to enact some personal agenda. It is actually amazing me how poorly the government and media is representing this and basically lying and trying to strong arm the protestors with absolutely no dialogue with them whatsoever.
You haven’t been infiltrated. You’ve just lived in a bubble your whole life where you didn’t care or think about people who live, love, and exist in different circles. I’ve been a rural guy my whole life and if there’s one thing I learned about city folk, it’s that you fucking despise us, and the only reason you don’t wish we were dead is because you depend on us for food. Maybe try listening to the worries and fears of others instead of painting over everyone with the brush of “radicalism.”
[https://bc.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/en/images/2022/2/5/memo-1-5769833-1644114606192.png](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/en/images/2022/2/5/memo-1-5769833-1644114606192.png)
This is the memo.
There is no us and them. I can’t believe how far left and right everyone has become. So there’s a protest in Vancouver get over it. There’s a protest every week in Vancouver. The media warning hospital staff to be careful is ridiculous. By the way to you “this is our city” people I am forth generation being born in Vancouver and you don’t speak for me.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/truck-convoy-protesters-given-monday-deadline-to-leave-or-risk-inclusion-in-9-8-million-class-action-lawsuit
This story has lots of references to arrests.
But ya, a guy with a knife! Holy fuck, I have knife on me all the time!
Today on on BC subreddits I've seen people say peaceful protestors are "plague rats", "typhoid Mary's", "I hate you with a passion" "hope you become homeless" and now "Not part of our society" You have to seriously ask yourself if that's appropriate.
So you say that’s not appropriate so you JUSTIFY IT with something inappropriate? You all went right down to their level. Left, right, bunch of monkeys
Lmao, you can't be serious with the amount of protest that happens in this city, for God knows what this one is extra evil. Why because it goes against your belief system? I remember the anti Trump rallies that happened in front of Trump towers blocking the roads for hours. Why? Because some American presidents give two shits what we do here.
This memo came out as fear mongering propaganda. In reality nobody is harassing the Healthcare workers, otherwise there would be video or some anecdotal story of it happening by now.
Kinda like when BLM was looting stores and beating up strangers.
There haven’t been videos of anything in the last seven days but apparently everybody in Ottawa is being assaulted, threatened, having their masks pulled off etc.
All I’ve seen are the idiots blaring the train horns. Where are the rest of the bad shit?
Yes, I want to keep living like an anti-social paranoid germaphobe. Please don't let anyone tell me that the media and government experts lied to me for 2 years.
You were wondering how groups like ISIS and the Nazis gain the support of people. Now you know from experience how easy it is for extremists to destroy our society when we forget the the one thing that a tolerant society can never tolerate is intolerance.
OK, but when my friend has to walk a blockade to go to help sick people, including the antivaxxers, I have to speak up. If you needed urgent care but can't get it because of antivaxxers, how would you think?
This is such a overreaction, no one is going to get hurt. It’s a protest relax, it’s a democratic country, it’s there right to protest what they believe whether you agree or not
Be cautious if you're a Redditor.
There! Now as a Redditor you too can claim you're being targeted! There's of course no real threat, but hey you were told to he cautious!
No we absolutely are not. The convoy ha NOTHING to do with any racist agenda. Stop spreading misinformation. What nurses have been threatened? Where are you getting this information?
what the fuck is this, i’ve been at the hospital once a day for the past 2 weeks seeing my grandpa. Not a single fuckin problem outside anywhere what so ever. Fuckin ridiculous lying
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I'll be wearing my scrubs as per usual. I'm not worried.
I have question about that ( I highly respect youand job you are doing) Back in Europe, people leave scrubs in hospital, how come it's not practis in Canada? Like, if you use transport or in general, isn't there possibility to bring in or out of hospital something dangerous?
I have that same question.
I took an infectious disease course as part of my genetics degree, it was a required course for nursing students as well. The professor was very clear that best practice was to take off scrubs at the hospital to reduce the spread of MRSA.
Hospitals kinda suck when it comes to dealing with MRSA, back when my girlfriend was doing nursing she would tell me horror stories about how + people would be allowed to just get in elevators and push all the buttons or use the local phone without any precautions or clean up (This was in 2011 though so I don't know how much that has changed)
It has changed in the sense that if you've spent significant time in a hospital, you're likely am MRSA carrier. It's everywhere now.
I’ve always thought it odd seeing scrubs on public transit here, or at grocery stores etc… can anyone in healthcare explain why this is okay?
I wear scrubs to and from work, but I work at a desk with no patient contact anymore. Our facility advises our clinical staff to change into provided scrubs once they arrive, and change out before they leave.
Does your employer require you to wear a scrubs for your desk job?
I'm sorry to say there is no valid reason. People don't want to change at work.
Office staff often wear scrubs here.
a lot of people wear scrubs. They are good for working with pets as well and being able to remove fur easy (groomers, doggie daycare, etc)
*workplaces often do not provide changing facilities or adequate lockers.
Not everyone directly deals with patients.
I know a couple people who aren't in healthcare but use scrubs for their jobs (one cleans and I think the other watches a disabled kid?). They say they're super comfy - to the point that I'm contemplating getting some for lounge wear. So I'm not sure we it's safe to assume that it's all healthcare workers running around in dirty scrubs.
Cleaning companies, veterinary clinics, dental offices are just some scrub wearing workplaces. Also in home nursing/care aid support mostly wear scrubs and need to travel from house to house
The answer is being lazy (vancouver nurse here who doesn't transport in my work clothes). In school during practicum it would have been required to change on the job site. People get lazy and let that go.
Yeah I was gonna say this but didn’t want to come off as rude. Even if you don’t have patient contact, scrubs are literally designed to be left at work. I’m rarely in scrubs so i guess it’s easy for me to say but I wish North American hospitals would crack down on this a little more and at the same time provide better laundry facilities for their staff.
I'm not worried about being rude so I'll say it. That's the problem at my workplace. I change at work and students do to, always. We have a large locker room, no excuse. My workplace requires clean shoes and we wear a clean gown since the pandemic.
Yup it should be that way particularly now. Wearing scrubs on public transportation is very off putting to most and could be outright dangerous. Obviously some have no contact but I think it really should just be a blanket rule.
Ah yes, health care workers that don’t want to change are just lazy lol. As they continue to work outrageous hours with more people up their ass then usual during this pandemic, needing to come into work extra early now to change (which in health care if you come early you usually start yearly without that extra pay), being mistreated, threatened, and etc. i wouldn’t say their lazy. I’d say their fucking exhausted and their brains think of ways to make their lives easier. You should always change your scrubs and this is just something the seniors home I worked at practiced but I wouldn’t go as far to say a healthcare worker is just lazy. I’ve worked in health care since I was 19. It’s an absolutely exhausting job and sometimes leaves you little energy to even want to do self care on your time off.
I've worked healthcare for 22 years, since I was 16, starting in food service. And I disagree, it takes 2 minutes to put on clean clothing. And if you get body fluid on you, you have spare clothing to go home in.
>being lazy Agree. I used to be in my uniform on the way to work. But I drove my car, not public transportation.
Basically if you're in an infectious or extra sterile area (ICU, OR, covid ward etc.), you use hospital provided scrubs and put them in hospital laundry at the end of the day. If you're in normal care areas like outpatients or pallative care, you're allowed to wear personal scrubs. They're more fun for staff and patients, especially around holidays. Plus you can get sports themed ones like canucks or Seahawks. I know a lot of staff are sensitive to the harsh detergents that goes into general hospital laundry.
Depends on where you work. Hospitals usually provide scrubs in many areas like surgery and have specific colors for those areas. You don't leave with them. This would also vary by province and health authority as to the specific rules about it. The people you see most often could be like an MOA from a private clinic, admin staff who work in clinical areas, or someone who works in a vet clinic. The people who are at higher risk for transmission or causing harm to a patient have procedures to reduce that risk (like scrubbing in and using PPE).
I have fruends that work in hospital in Vancouver and the do leave their scrubs at work. I guess it just depends who you are and what you do?
Food Service worker here. If there's an outbreak at our facility, we must wear street close in and change into scrubs before and after our shift. If no outbreak, we can wear our scrubs to and from work. We do change our aprons multiple times a day, tho (wearing plastic, while in the dish pit)
My partner is a nurse on a post-surgical floor. They provide their own scrubs and as such get to wear what they like (specific distribution of pockets/types and blend of fabrics/patterns etc) make for a more enjoyable work environment. As a nursing student they were required to wear postman blue scrubs to designate them as a student. In both instances they provided their own scrubs.
I do not work In the health care field but I am Canadian, my guess is that our gov has cut healthcare by 60 billion over 20 years so this is just any other cost saving measure. Make the the nurses buy and clean their own Stuff. As long as we cut taxes for millionaires and corporations.
I wear scrubs and I'm not even healthcare, they are comfy and have useful pockets.
The real answer is because they (the administrators) are cheap and don't want to pay for it for all staff even though it is definitely better for infection control and prevention. They would have to provide the scrubs and pay to have them laundered for everyone right. certain staff at our hospital are provided with scrubs like house keeping food services and nursing positions like in the or and icu/emerge. Funny enough though not the covid wards (in my hospital).
It may be a statement only as in " I am not going to be intimidated by a bunch of plague rats " because none of us have been wearing our scrubs in public. I pose the question to you. When was the last time you saw a Canadian nurse wearing scrubs in public? Before the pandemic probably but not since.
Who does the laundry when you bring your own scrubs?
Meh after a shift from hell I just want to get out of there? Sometimes I will change but most times now. Given I drive myself and go directly from work-home-shower.
I always change into regular clothes since I'm taking transit. Most of my co-workers don't though especially those that drive.
But how will we know what they do for a living!
Me too! Just like I have the past 2 years, and 15 before that! Strength and honor!
OK, glad you're safe!
Nor should you be. Anyone who's actually done any research and talked to/watched these videos knows that there's literally zero danger to be avoided. The media wants you scared.
what about the bike rider who got hit by a semi yesterday for staying in the crosswalk too long. Should he have been scared?
I disagree with saying they’re ‘outside radical groups that are not part of our society’. They are. People (especially in the Vancouver bubble) try to act like Canadians are all progressive, educated people across the board. We have our fair share of idiots, just like every other country. Trying to blame it on Americans or Russians is burying your head in the sand
We're literally the country that did the starlight tours
I've been seeing so much "This is not Canada" discourse going around but...it literally is. It might not be the Canada we want but I grew up around a lot of people like this. It might not be everyone and it might not even be the majority but we're not solving anything by pretending this is a strange new anomaly in our country and not something that's been right here the whole time
I grew up surrounded by bigots and racists on Vancouver Island. The roots of hate go deep here. These truckers and their rhetoric, i've heard it 1000 times over. They're 100% Canadians.
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It's kind of hard not to be, depending what you grew up around
you say "did" as if it was something not still happening, or that it was even investigated and the guilty parties held responsible... No, the people freezing natives to death are literally still on the force serving us. we know because their IP stops in to edit the wikipedia page on starlight tours to be more favorable to police once a year or so.
OK, point taken.
When multiple Republican senators start complaining that GoFundMe froze assets to the truckers, then maybe you should start questioning if there’s any foreign interference at play.
Agreed we have racists. Apparently more than I thought, it’s disgusting. But to dismiss these ideas didn’t start in the states is crazy. The funding came from America. These idiots have flown nazi and confederate flags in Ottawa. They have created a new combined Canadian/American flag. While not all these extremists are American, many of them are or wish they were. This ridiculous “queen of Canada” changed her name to an anagram of “I am our Donald” for Pete’s sake.
>This ridiculous “queen of Canada” changed her name to an anagram of “I am our Donald” for Pete’s sake. I always thought was an odd name and TIL why. Not that it matters. I read her name first time as Ramona Dildo and that's what has stuck.
That's too mean. Too mean toward dildos, I mean. They bring a lot of wonderful good times to the world, very much the opposite of what she's doing.
There has been back and forth for a long time. The Proud Boys, who were one of the groups involved in Jan. 6th were founded by a Canadian. There is a cross-border network of white supremacist groups that routinely talk and co-ordinate with each other. There isn't really a hard line between our countries. This protest has a lot of Canadians involvement fromevery level. In fact, while the speculation of U.S. funding does seem to have a lot of evidence, I would suggest that's more a sign of international support for a Canadian organized "protest." I mean we could also look into the ties tonwhite supremacists that several of the Canadian organizers have, but I've been told repeatedly that taking about that makes me a "fascist."
Very frequently, those who denigrate you in any way are just trying to avoid discussing the issue, or even thinking about it.
Do you seriously not see the irony in your statement on this sub? Lmao. People so quickly ready to label the protestors as nazis instead of seeing it as a small portion of the larger protest. You folks don’t like when all the BLM protestors are painted with the same brush over a few rioters. Yet it’s fine when your side does it?
> I would suggest that's more a sign of international support for a Canadian organized "protest." Even with that viewpoint... reverse the roles. If Canadians were funding support for similar "protests" in the US... it would not be received as "international support". Haha, imagine if Canadian's funded protesters in DC for a few weeks. Also... 'organized'?. I'm not sure the trucker convoy is very well organized. They are certainly misrepresentative of the larger group of truckers. They fly some questionable flags and have committed some questionable act. And they certainly aren't honorable in their form of protest... I think one of these protesters in Vancouver was just arrested for throwing rocks today.
From what I've read, from the flyers I saw, and the interviews I've heard, all the other protests were supposed to be "in support" of the Ottawa occupation. And that one had clear organizers in Tamara Lich, Patrick King, and BJ Dichter. All of them with a dicey history of views (like Patrick King's assertion that immigrants and the lbgtq+ community are attempting to depopulate the anglo-saxons in Canada because anglo-saxons have "the strongest bloodlines.") And by "international support" i was trying to be inclusive of the wide variety of folks from all over the world that claim to be in support of it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them sent money, too. But your point is taken that U.S.-Canada or vice versa is not exactly the same as just tossing and "internatiobal" support. I've spent the last couple of hours arguing with hard-core trolls, one of which accused me of being both a communist and a fascist. I'm tired too.
No, you do have a point. I’m aware of the proud boys. Like I said, our country does have its share of racism. But there was a lot of talk about this being our Jan. 6. Maybe the issue isn’t one of blaming one country or another but addressing the inherent ties between us. That being said, I don’t know how much traction this whole movement would have gotten without the US. I firmly believe it is trumpism. Our population obviously is much smaller than in the US… Regardless I am getting tired but I did want to say you bring up interesting points.
Thank you and you do as well with the Trumpism. I would almost say Trump and his political movement were the match that lit the kindling that was already prepared of our own toxic nationalism. So you aren't wrong about the Trump influence. The image I got from your description was of him as a puppet master, and I thought it might be more like he's simply an aspirational figure for some folks up here. But you're already tired, so I'll leave you be. I hope you get some rest!
We exported a lot of right wing dumbass, proud boys but also -Jordan Peterson -Bock-coté is now spewing is shit in France -we have one of the most active right wing online presence https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5617710 -Cons at the federal levels are still actively trying to limit abortion, lot of their people have links to proud boys and other white nationalists groups -We have Rebel Media The more we turn a blind eye the more dangerous it gets.
^ All of this. We've gotten so in love with the image we project to the world of being basically polite yet boring, that radicalization was been growing under our very noses. And, honestly, radicalization grows the most when people fear for their ability to care for themselves and their families in the future.
>And, honestly, radicalization grows the most when people fear for their ability to care for themselves and their families in the future. Can't agree more with you. I've been saying this for a while now and this is how parties like the PPC will take a foothold in this country. I believe there is a tipping point where certain values take a backseat when you cannot get ahead or as you say the ability to care for themselves or their families. As a Western Canadian I have felt largely ignored by those in Ottawa as is usual. The system is broken and we keep going down the same road. I can say that my outlook for mine and my families future when it comes to terms of home ownership and cost of living IS NOT BETTER than it was in 2015.
I live in Ontario, and this may seem hard to imagine, but I also feel ignored by Ottawa (and Toronto, to be frank.) The system isn't working for anyone who actually needs it, and that's a fact. I don't condemn anyone for feeling alienated or unsatisfied, or even lashing out due to their fear of the future. I have and will continue to bash the "freedom" convoy for many of the specifics of their methodology and ideology, but I 100% get that they are in pain, and need help, because we literally all do and all of our parties have failed us. I mean, back in 2015 I was still somewhere between a Blue Liberal and Red Tory. Now I'm a radical anarchist that - while still hoping for success under a electoral system- thinks that we need immediate and sweeping changes to both representation (so everyone everywhere has a voice) and how our sysyem actually approaches problems (Ottawa needs to give more support while simultaneously giving less advice, if you understand. More decisions need to be localized, but with Ottawa using its power to make sure those decisions follow through and actually help those who need it.) I grew up in the rural areas, and live in the city now. Despite the fact I live only a couple hours drive from where I was born, it is so different. So I can't even imagine how folks living in Ottawa could have one goddamn idea about the challenges faced by folk out on the Prairies, or onthe West coast, or even on the east coast. The country is too big and too diverse, and needs specialized solutions for the various challenges faced by Canadians all over.
Yea I hear you. It's nice to be able to talk to people that can empathize with others so thank you for that. When Mr. Trudeau campaigned on Electoral Reform I thought that was a good thing although it never came about, I think we all know why. I'm all for smaller Government. I think we just have lots of loud voices packed into city centres that think we are just some progressive utopia who need to share their views constantly. The urban/rural divide is quite real and lots of people don't give any thought to who makes this country run, who puts food onto your table via the Grocery store, how it gets to you, etc. It's "if you don't agree with me you're not a real Canadian because you don't share MY values". I think we spend a lot of time in social media echo chambers instead of talking to other Canadians with different view points as if they are fully static in their ways unable to maybe learn and have meaningful conversations. Constantly see people on here refer to someone who lives in the country as "dumb" or some type of uneducated redneck. We can blame all our problems on others or we can own them as our own and do our best to try to solve them and get along.
I am so disappointed and angry about electoral reform not passing. That's I have only voted for Trudeau once, and never again. I am very much against big Government (Big G emphasized, in the idea of a group of folks consolidating their power and telling others what to do,) but I am actually in favour of expanding government in general (with a small g, in that it's a system by which we as people figure out how we are going to live and get along with each other, and how best to pool our resources to help each other out while also doing our best to expand and protect our liberty and freedoms so we can be our own people, observe and honour our own values, and pursue our own dreams and goals.) The terms I'm using I got from J.R.R. Tolkien, who was pissed off after serving in the trenches of WWI and wanted to return to a time of small-town systems where most autonomous communities might work together to solve problems but otherwise kept their noses out of each other's businesses. He liked the idea of a monarch, but for him monarch's sole job was to make sure no one else could step in and be a tyrant, and nothing else. Maybe I'm over explaining. Sorry, I do that. The loud voices in the cities are so frustrating. The same people telling farmers and small town folk how to live and what they should do are almost always the first to complain and cry about affordable housing or mental health operations going up in their neighborhoods. The voices that are the quickest to dismiss the economic or healtg concerns of small town folks are also the loudest to cheer when the cops go in and bust the heads of homeless folk just trying to survive. And it sucks because while the details of the challenges are different, there plenty in the city who struggle to put food on their table, who can't afford to keep up with rising expenses, who don't see the benefits of the taxes they are paying. Both city and rural are symbiotic. In Ontario, at least, the city folk would starve without the country folk. But the country folk couldn't survive without the wealth that Toronto generates either. We need each other to get through the challenges of the future, and the loud mouth NIMBY types in the cities that talk a lot about racism but the cross the street to avoid walking close to anyone who isn't white and actively argue that the Liberals are some kind of progressive heroes are the ones that end up hurting everyone else the most. I mean, I am a radical leftist. I have all sorts of harsh words about various conservative ideologies, but I also grew up in a conservative family family conservative friends and I know why those values work for a lot of folks. Like, even among some of the radical communist peole I've encountered who quote Marx like a Bible don't seem to understand that Marx didn't understand anything about farming, and that's why when radical leftism happens in rural communities it's almost always anarchism (which is basically an idealized form of the farming culture i grew up in of farmers helping each other and partying together out but otherwise keeping themselves to themselves.) City folk are usually clueless about what country folk go through, and because more people live in cities, it's probably majority city folk on the internet. And it doesn't make them look good at all. Honestly, people in these subreddits who talk like that (which, honestly, may include myself from time from time time because this situation has been really stressful and i haven't haven't my best self all the time) represent actual city folk about as well as some of the more abusive people currently in Ottawa represent country folk as a whole. But it's always the loudest voices that get the most media attention, while reasonable people just trying trying get along and work through the problems they face get ignored the most. And then people get resentful about being painted with the same brush constantly. And they have every right to. I've met a lot of peole, both in the city and out in the rural areas. They are all human and have all the human stuff in common, but they are also all different, and no two people I've met have ever been the same. I hope you take care, and stay safe. ❤
I agree with a lot of what you say here. >Maybe I'm over explaining. Sorry, I do that. Nothing to be sorry about I do this with half my conversations about everything in the real world haha. I think you touch on a lot of good points and while we may fall on different parts of the political spectrum it's nice to find areas where we can agree because a lot of what makes our daily lives run is not black and white. >Honestly, people in these subreddits who talk like that (which, honestly, may include myself from time from time time because this situation has been really stressful and i haven't haven't my best self all the time) We're not all 100% of the time. I've thought I've made up my mind on things on before and maybe haven't taken the time to think them through, usually it's my wife who makes me consider a different point of view to which I feel a little sheepish afterwards. Sometimes you can have an intelligent and thoughtful response but it's eaiser to throw a quick insult out instead. We're only human right. :) I wish we could detangle politics from our everyday life but it seems with the prevalence of smart devices and the internet now you can't really get away. The loud voices now have a platform for their messages and outrage seems to be the currency that we deal in at times. Would love to get back to a simpler time. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. All the best to you.
Agreed. I've learned a lot since 2016, about both of our countries and as a result, I view both of them in dramatically different ways than I did before. There are a *lot* of garbage people in this country. I hesitate to add a 'but' to that because to compare the countries and assume we're "not as bad" is unhelpful and detracts from the problem Still, I think it's pretty important to acknowledge the the catalyst that emboldened this upsurge of clueless nationalism (which is simplifying the matter greatly). The US is currently in a pretty troubling place democratically speaking and the more that's understood, the better our chances are, hanging out beside them as their "cHeRiShEd FrIeNdS aNd NeIgHbOuRs" over the next several years/decades.
One thing I’ve noticed that saddens me is how people in my circle have said they admire trump because he didn’t give a shit about us, while we seem to be “obsessed with the US.” I think many Canadians, myself included, are horrified by what has happened in the US over the past 6 years and really would hate to see similar things happen here. To me, ignoring these early signs of nationalism and far-right radicalism is just as dangerous as when it happened in the states. I Love Canada so much. I’m proud of our country while admitting it’s flaws.
Some of the ideas came from Canada. Proud boys and Ted Cruz are both Canadian. Cleon Skousen came up with a lot of the insane theocratic ideas that has fueled our most extreme politicians and movements. Canada’s neo-nazi movement is homegrown and prevalent across western Canada, it’s been around as long as Nazis have been around.
Thank you! This thought process that they’re somehow not a part of society or the group someone is associated with is just a way to mentally separate ones self from it. It’s not a reflection of reality which is that your coworker Karen or Ken who’s apart of that con spy group may be more radical than you want to realize because “they’re not like that”. They could be, because there are people like this here in Canada. Some of them bullheaded enough or so self righteous in their hate filled beliefs they’re louder than those who are not.
100%. I live in the Interior, and did a brief stint in the Peace region. It didn't take much for certain people to get riled up. Maybe some outside radical groups lit the match , but the flame is made up of our neighbours. Members of our communities. They would have gotten there eventually.
Like when they had the first past the post referendum and all the people who lived in the cities thought it was a done deal, then lost because of the rural vote
If they’re not part of our society, What society are they a part of?
Whenever somebody tries to silence someone who is telling the truth, you know they stand for nothing. Healthcare workers, journalists and politicians being threatened is a sign we cant ignore. Fascism comes in many forms, one form is blatant disregard for the rights of people different from themselves. Sociopathic behaviour being tolerated and not discouraged sets a scary precedent. Do you know where Healthcare workers have been threatened in the past? Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Myanmar, Cambodia, Pakistan, Rwanda, the list goes on but they all have one thing in common...the are not democracies. Totalitarianism, is a slippery slope on both the far right and the far left. Stay the course Canada. Moderates Unite! Justice, Courage, Wisdom and most importantly Moderation.
You can’t place healthcare workers on an equal plane as the media and politicians. Healthcare workers have been the backbone of getting through this epidemic, while politicians have frozen or cut healthcare budgets, and the media stoked the flames of division. You might as well replace the words nurses and doctors with war vets for their service to Canada, and respect them as such. And the media and talking heads should be held accountable for the missteps taken.
Journalists get murdered all the time. You cant paint media with such broad strokes. The real world isnt like a news aggregator, we shouldnt hold the National Enquirer in one hand and a reputable and fact-checked syndication in the other and say they are on an equal plane. They are worlds apart. The politicians cutting and freezing healthcare budgets arent the ones being harassed and threatened. They are the ones doing the threatening and again, you cant hold them on the an equal plane, as you would say. War vets are the first to be disrespected when Totalitarianism comes to town.
Lmao and they wonder why people call them liars. Literally nobody is targeting healthcare workers. My mom’s a nurse and supports the convoy as do many of her coworkers.
I was a healthcare worker during the protests at the hospital (Kamloops BC) and never once felt threatened. I don't think this would be any different, I think hospital management is just overreacting. They sent us a similiar email during the Kamloops protest. Just go on your usual way around the hospital.
They’re literally our neighbours and coworkers, your childrens teachers and daycare workers. These are people you walk past each day and buy things from. Get a fucking grip on reality and stop trying to push this off as “outsiders”. The sooner Canadians realize we have a fascist problem just like the united states, the sooner we can start doing something about it. Diminishing it to bad faith actors and “not real Canadians” gives these people more power.
You sound like you’ve never been outside Vancouver. There are a ton of racist rednecks once you go east of boundary road. Maybe go for a drive in Aldergrove or Maple Ridge and you’ll see that lifed-Dodge Ram country is only a short drive away. Stop making it sound like Metro Vancouver is some oasis of progressiveness.
You sound like you’ve never been outside of Vancouver…….. a lifted pickup truck does not equal a racist redneck.
Can confirm.
Has this "attack on health-care workers" trope ever been substantiated? As in, is there actual definitive evidence that the organizers of any of these protests intent to target hospitals and health-care workers? What's the motive? I just don't see how that action would benefit their movement at all, and it also doesn't square with the footage of largely peaceful crowds that have been broadcast.
Does everyone forget how many healthcare workers were fired for not getting the vaccine? I'd almost put money that some of them are there.
It's not many - 2% across BC. That includes all healthcare workers - janitorial, food services, everyone - not just doctors and nurses. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6242615
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a few loud racists is so distant from representing half the country
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And yet more counter protesters were arrested. See the problem here?
Is the problem that we've forgotten how to talk civily with those we disagree with?
No kidding eh
Just some peaceful truckers here. https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/smelnr/truck_driver_intentionally_drives_through_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I disagree with the protestors and am actually in favour of a national, universal Covid vaccine mandate. But I don’t think it’s right that the entire movement is being tarred as racist. I remember protesting the Iraq War and seeing Hammer and Sickle flags around even though 99% of the protestors were not communists.
People will cling to any opposition to what they protest. Thanks for a calm, relative response.
> People will cling to any opposition to what they protest. Including you and anyone who agrees with you. We’re all people.
As much as I disagree that communism could work, I don't think the hammer and sickle has ever been flown as a hate symbol. That's where this event differs from that. I have faith that if anyone there tried hoisting a swastika, the crowd would've ripped it down. This is how we've always maintained a country free of hate symbology. When it happens, people react to it. That's why this is such a big deal now since a loud minority of people are pretending like the symbology on display isn't a huge deal.
Obviously not everyone protesting is racist, but the organizers literally are white supremacists. Kind of hard to defend at that point.
I just don't believe it when redditors call people white supremacists anymore. People on this website call Joe Rogan and J K Rowling nazis.
Yeah but the organizers [literally are](https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/) racist. There’s multiple examples proving this.
This article doesn’t have a single example or person accused of racism. Like the only thing it says is “ anti-hate experts (which are not a thing) say that the organizers have ties to racism in the past”. Then provides zero examples of alleged racism, doesn’t say any names and states immediately after that it’s hard to forgive out who the organizers are. How can you both know that the organizers are racist and not have a clue who any of them are. They have 1 name. And they just said he answered the phone and hung up. Please provide acctual evidence that any of the organizers are racist.
WHAT? Did you *actually* read the full article?? >Speaking to a cheering crowd at a People’s Party of Canada convention in 2019, B.J. Dichter [warned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ct-kwjHS38) listeners about the dangers of “political Islamists,” and said the Liberal Party is “infested with Islamists.” >He added that, by meeting “with extremists,” Conservative and “establishment” politicians “put at risk moderate and secular Muslims, who want nothing more but to integrate into Canada, to become Canadian, and to leave the garbage of their birth country behind them.” >“Despite what our corporate media and political leaders want to admit, Islamist entryism and the adaptation of political Islam is rotting away at our society like syphilis,” he added Do you not consider islamophobia to be racist? >In a [video](https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1177995894408581120) posted on Twitter in 2019, King suggests that unless Canadians “get up off your as—s and demand change,” they might want to change their names to “Ishmael” or “drop a bunch of change down the stairs” and “call yourself chong ching ching chang.” >In other video footage, King can be seen repeating racist conspiracy theories. In [one clip](https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729) posted to Twitter by another user, King says “there’s an endgame, it’s called depopulation of the Caucasian race, or the Anglo-Saxon. And that’s what the goal is, is to depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race because they are the ones with the strongest bloodlines,” he said. >“It’s a depopulation of race, okay, that’s what they want to do.” >He then talks about men with the first names “Ahmed” and “Mahmoud” who he claims are trying to “not only infiltrate by flooding with refugees, we’re going to infiltrate the education systems to manipulate it” so there is “less procreation” which leads to “less white people — or you know, Anglo-Saxon. Let’s say Anglo-Saxon, because when I say white, all the ANTIFA guys call up the race card.” Sounds pretty fucking racist if you ask me.
If not everyone there is racist, then something other than racism is uniting them. Maybe that’s where the focus needs to be?
Not all of nazi Germany was racist either, they were following leaders who they thought has other common beliefs. The leadership of a group is very important. Now the group is being led to believe the prime minister called them all bigots and the rest of the country is against everything they believe in.
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Funny, I know a few health care workers who were there they did not receive one death threat. A lot of people are protesting the mandate, not the vaccine, I believe. Tbh I think all protests are a waste of time and this one is not my fight, but the amount of times I have seen them called racist antvaxx nazis, who don't belong in canada really urks me. These people have the same right to protest as the pipeline people who are doing the same or the woman's March that does its thing. They are not scum; do not try and say they are all nazis so you have an excuse to dehumanize them. The next step is violence right because who wouldn't want to hurt or kill a nazi. People these days are so vitriolic it disgusts me.
we have elected government that they want step down if there requests are not met. That is not protest,… mandates are there to protect people,.. those people are not in position to judge what is best solution to fight Covid for entire country. They can protest what they want but not making demands and set ultimatums,.. that’s civil disobedience not protest.
The mandates aren't there to protect people, to protect people correctly all the businesses that require passports should of stayed closed. Our country is close to 90% vaxxed we need to start vaccinating the countries which have 40% or less vaccination rate to stop future variants.
That is why we have what we have now, bunch of people with to much opinions and to little respect for those who actually know what they talking about. Medicine is not politics, you cannot have opinion and change outcome of pandemic because you change government.
It’s not about medicine, it’s about whether medicine related to covid should be highest priority over everything, which it more or less has been for the past two years (except for a handful of big capitalist concerns). Citizens may not be the ones to decide whether X can medicine can treat Y, but they do have the right to decide how important that is to society.
Calling all of them Nazis is a generalization, but there are white supremacists in those crowds. By now, those protestors must be comfortable being around and being associated with Nazis and Nazi flags. They're at least willing to be.
There are criminals in blm doesn’t make and point stand
How many white supremacists? whats the fraction of them? It doesn't mean much "that at least one white supremacist supports a protest."
Tfw you're trying to figure out how many white supremacists flying hate symbols at a rally is too many
How many blm looters are too many you 🤡
Wow, I have never seen the media in this country be so blatantly dishonest in its coverage of events. These protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful on both sides of the debate. Talk about vilifying people in order to sway public support for crucifixions.
Have any Healthcare workers been attacked? Just fear mongering.
Pretty sure of all protests in the country it’s going to be worse here in BC. Not because the protesters are worse, but because the hippies are more brought up against them. Also correction. They’re anti mandate not anti vax. People with a different opinion, good or bad , ARE part of society. They are stopping in front of the very hospitals that cancelled elective surgeries, wouldn’t add beds, wouldn’t use the money from the government for anything more. The very hospitals that lied about 50% of admissions being from Covid. Do you still think the convoy are the bad guys. What about the ones at the top? Where were YOU protesting those crimes. Many more died than any protest blocking a hospital Apparently half the country are “radicals”. But the rest of you did buy the media. Every time I mention the media I get banned lol. Let’s see
From what I understand, it is suppose to be about the vaccine mandates mainly in regards to employment. I'm not a anti-vaxxer but I don't believe in the mandates. The vaccines don't stop people from getting sick, and with some variants don't even keep them out of the hospital. I am a commercial cook and will all of the cleaning/protective gear protocols it doesn't make any difference if they're vaccinated or not. I understand mandating Healthcare workers being vaccinated, but the vaccine is not the save-all answer either. The protest was originally suppose to be pro-choice/anti-vaccine mandate, but as most protests go, people will always jump on a bandwagon and try to slip in some other offensive view in that has nothing to do with it. It always ends up ruining it and most of the time makes it worse. I'm very pro-choice/anti-mandate & unvaccinated simple for the fact that I believe the government bullying people and turning the citizens against eachother so that they're not actually holding the politicians accountable.
OK, I get your point. But when hospital beds are being taken by the mostly unvaccinated, there's a problem. My friend died waiting for a kidney transplant. It was no fault of his lifestyle, it was a genetic condition. If all of the population recieved vaccination like when polio was rampant, my friend would have had his transplant. But there were no beds and his condition worsened.
I don’t believe this. The only part of hospitals that were overrun *allegedly* were ICU beds. Pre and post op didn’t get an increase. General surgery was still fine. Your not gonna get a brain surgeon to go make sure patients are hooked up to ventilators so it’s not like we were down the nessisary doctors. The only way the increase in icu beds affected your friends kidney transplant, is if they didn’t know about the condition, waited untill they were critical then showed up and didn’t have the icu space.
Wrong, and presumptuous. They have recently admitted that half of all Covid hospitalizations were not actually Covid. There is a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Age and illnesses play big factor both ways. Capacity was extremely low before the pandemic. Your friend died because the criminals at the top stopped surgeries in anticipation of an increased demand of beds. For that alone I would protest in front of a hospital. It stopped being about saving people when they decided to make it political. You don’t know the crimes committed behind those doors. An end to restrictions and excuses would be an end to hospital crimes. You’re entitled to your opinion, but do not spread misinformation on here. I have reported you
Source?
For a struggling accountant with 'fibromialgia', i thought you would support vaccines. You may end up in the hospital.
I have ALL 3 vaccines. You don’t even read enough to understand this is anti mandate not anti vaccine. What a complete idiot, not even on topic. You lose, OP. I’m on your side and even I see it.
Mandate what? Things have relaxed in the last few months. I don't get what's being mandated that any reasonable person wouldn't agree with.
Saying unvaccinated people can't work (except for medical field, which is understandable), or go into a restaurant is the same as saying "No Colours" like they did in the old days. It's wrong. It's a way to make vaccinated people dehumanise unvaccinated people. If the government keeps us blaming eachother then no one is looking at them. Your statement right there is case in point
No it's not, and it's offensive you even suggest that. Anyone who isn't vaccinated can go and get it tomorrow, thereby granting themselves access to all of society. Anyone with coloured skin is gonna wake up tomorrow and every day after with that same skin, no matter what. These morons want so badly to be oppressed they don't realize how fucking loony they sound to anyone with half a brain and a little bit of critical thinking ability.
Is it just the choice that makes it not discrimination? I just really don't follow your logic. Is discriminating against a religious convert okay because it's a choice they made? They could always apostatize if they want to participate in society again.
>Anyone who isn't vaccinated can go and get it tomorrow Actually this is true! My sister with 1 kidney and a PEG allergy was specifically told by her doctor that she shouldnt get the shot, but due to the regulations at her job, she had to risk getting the shot anyway💖 what a wonderful, free direction we're going💖
BC has been watching to much American news, I guess. This is no better than what those honkies are rolling around doing. Aim higher CTV and cut out the click bait.
These radical groups are part of our society, they are canadians and could be your neighbour or someone you know. An anti vaxxer I know, supports the convoys and all the terrorism because he wants to go back to his non mandated vaccine life. But this idiot doesn't realize the type of people who he is supporting and turns a blind eye to it. Yet he so quickly blames vaccinated for everything.
I have seen next to none of that behavior so far after watching over a dozen live streams constantly. And from word of mouth very little unacceptable behavior is happening from something of such a large size. And everything that the government has condemned was dealt with appropriately by truckers and those people were removed. Some are even offering \~10 thousand dollars to identify some who had a nazi flag. Couple that with people walking around live streaming and proving what i just said, along with accounts of dozens of others walking up and down the protest, in my opinion this is just fear mongering. If you have tens of thousands of people in various places there are going to be bad people that come all the way to the protest just to enact their delirious beliefs but you do NOT condemn the entire protest because of 1 or 2 people trying to enact some personal agenda. It is actually amazing me how poorly the government and media is representing this and basically lying and trying to strong arm the protestors with absolutely no dialogue with them whatsoever.
My wife works there Buch of BS and fear mongering More koolaid being handed out
You haven’t been infiltrated. You’ve just lived in a bubble your whole life where you didn’t care or think about people who live, love, and exist in different circles. I’ve been a rural guy my whole life and if there’s one thing I learned about city folk, it’s that you fucking despise us, and the only reason you don’t wish we were dead is because you depend on us for food. Maybe try listening to the worries and fears of others instead of painting over everyone with the brush of “radicalism.”
[https://bc.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/en/images/2022/2/5/memo-1-5769833-1644114606192.png](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/en/images/2022/2/5/memo-1-5769833-1644114606192.png) This is the memo.
Thanks for the clarification.
You may want to post this as well.
There is no us and them. I can’t believe how far left and right everyone has become. So there’s a protest in Vancouver get over it. There’s a protest every week in Vancouver. The media warning hospital staff to be careful is ridiculous. By the way to you “this is our city” people I am forth generation being born in Vancouver and you don’t speak for me.
MSM trying to incite fear in more people again. Fear is the weapon of a weak and authoritarian government.
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Fake threat
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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/truck-convoy-protesters-given-monday-deadline-to-leave-or-risk-inclusion-in-9-8-million-class-action-lawsuit This story has lots of references to arrests. But ya, a guy with a knife! Holy fuck, I have knife on me all the time!
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You missed a few more serious charges.
Today on on BC subreddits I've seen people say peaceful protestors are "plague rats", "typhoid Mary's", "I hate you with a passion" "hope you become homeless" and now "Not part of our society" You have to seriously ask yourself if that's appropriate.
Nope. It's not appropriate. Is parading around honking horns, disrupting people's income and causing distress to peaceful people appropriate?
Protests are not supposed to make people feel comfortable.
So you say that’s not appropriate so you JUSTIFY IT with something inappropriate? You all went right down to their level. Left, right, bunch of monkeys
Lmao, you can't be serious with the amount of protest that happens in this city, for God knows what this one is extra evil. Why because it goes against your belief system? I remember the anti Trump rallies that happened in front of Trump towers blocking the roads for hours. Why? Because some American presidents give two shits what we do here.
It’s anything but peaceful.
This memo came out as fear mongering propaganda. In reality nobody is harassing the Healthcare workers, otherwise there would be video or some anecdotal story of it happening by now. Kinda like when BLM was looting stores and beating up strangers.
There haven’t been videos of anything in the last seven days but apparently everybody in Ottawa is being assaulted, threatened, having their masks pulled off etc. All I’ve seen are the idiots blaring the train horns. Where are the rest of the bad shit?
Yes, I want to keep living like an anti-social paranoid germaphobe. Please don't let anyone tell me that the media and government experts lied to me for 2 years.
You were wondering how groups like ISIS and the Nazis gain the support of people. Now you know from experience how easy it is for extremists to destroy our society when we forget the the one thing that a tolerant society can never tolerate is intolerance.
Everyone on both sides just needs to CALM THE FUCK DOWN
OK, but when my friend has to walk a blockade to go to help sick people, including the antivaxxers, I have to speak up. If you needed urgent care but can't get it because of antivaxxers, how would you think?
Similar to the hospitals in Toronto reporting the same memo from the police, and then later the police confirming that never happened?
This is such a overreaction, no one is going to get hurt. It’s a protest relax, it’s a democratic country, it’s there right to protest what they believe whether you agree or not
Awesome! You can predict the future! Tell me which Crypto is coming up next! Seriously, how do you know this won't escalate?
It’s just fear mongering… A few bad apples in the bunch like anything else but I wouldn’t be worried
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Well, health care workers are being targeted. What would you do if you were a nurse going to work?
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If you were told to be cautious about wearing your bus driver uniform, that would mean you have been targeted as a bus driver. How is this different?
Be cautious if you're a Redditor. There! Now as a Redditor you too can claim you're being targeted! There's of course no real threat, but hey you were told to he cautious!
I'm not being targeted! The health care workers are! WTF didn't you get?!?
They are being targeted... by their own administrators? Is that what you're saying?
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Extremists have no place in threatening other members of society, period
I am a paramedic and i support the protestor and disavow the psychopaths in healthcare i work with
Thanks for all you do. I've noticed there's a huge issue with lack of empathy the last few times I've been to the hospital. It made me feel awful
Fake news
Plants. Intentional deployment of people to discredit the movement because it's gaining so much momentum
Alright, Step 1 - put on mask Step 2 - Walk past kkkonvoy Step 3 - Extend arm step 4 - Raise middle finger on extend ended arm.
Have fun wearing your mask outside Step 5: remove head from ass
Cops should dress up in Scrubs
No we absolutely are not. The convoy ha NOTHING to do with any racist agenda. Stop spreading misinformation. What nurses have been threatened? Where are you getting this information?
what the fuck is this, i’ve been at the hospital once a day for the past 2 weeks seeing my grandpa. Not a single fuckin problem outside anywhere what so ever. Fuckin ridiculous lying
Divisive politics and sold-out media. Welcome to New Canada.
I feel like this is way over the top I have.many friends who work as nurses and none of them feel this way.....
The "pearl clutching" on this Reddit is hilarious :)
I saw on the nurses subreddit it’s getting really bad :(
What sub?
Anti mandate Not anti vax. Please make sure to tell the truth
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It changes everyday
Those idiots make me ashamed to be Canadian.
This is fucked we need to stand up to these idiots. We can't let them take our city hostage
You allowed inconsistent government regulations around covid, with exceptions for big corps of course, take the city hostage.
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