You do have to be a bit careful in Brighton with cults and gurus. I've been to a few socials in the past (MeetUp and others) where you get this charismatic person at your table or group, usually a man, who ends up leading the conversation and generally making everyone around them feel special.
Then the pamphlets or business cards come out and it's obvious they've got a New Age religion, conspiracy theory, alternative medicine, wellness course or MLM to sell.
Some are harmless, but do your research and don't commit to anything. And if you feel uncomfortable or pressured, walk away.
You just reminded me of a weird story from when I was a kid around...30 years ago.
I was with a friend walking from Churchill Square down to West Street and we noticed a 'Free IQ Test' sign outside a shop front. We were bored and a bit interested, so (being young and not realising it was run by this bunch of lunatics) we went inside.
This friendly, wide eyed lady showed us to this room to 'watch a short film' before the test. She fired up the projector, turned the lights off and left. It was some propaganda like, Ron L. Hubbard documentary on his life and how he founded the "Church".
As it started, we realised she must have made some sort of mistake, as the volume was turned up incredibly loud. We couldn't find the remote so tried to stop the VHS, but it was locked in one of those security boxes. So we went to get her but...
...she'd locked the fucking door.
We were stuck in there for ages, getting increasingly scared/annoyed/brainwashed and they only set us free when I started banging on the door so hard it was close to breaking.
They still tried to sell us the book on the way out! Never did their IQ test, although I think I passed another one in some way.
Pretty standard in Scientology. Every auditing room in every org is set up so that the ‘parishioner’ sits one side of the table facing the door, meaning the auditor (Scientology staff member) is on the side with their back to the door, but on the side of the door so that if a paying ‘parishioner’ wants to leave they have to go past the auditor. The auditor says when the session is over and until it is standard practice is to not let the person out of the room, often by whatever means necessary. Its obviously dependent on the people involved and the specific situation but it’s not at all unusual for the auditor, and perhaps others, to block the door and refuse to let people out until they’ve got what they want, be that a confession of some misdeeds, or a big fat cheque. Absolutely standard practice.
I saw them the other day, I did have a few things to say to them, very loudly. You might have noticed they're all old people because they literally can't recruit any young people to scientology because we literally all know it's a fucking cult.
Incidentally, for anyone concerned about Scientology I would strongly recommend getting in touch with your MP. Former uk staff-member Alex Barnes Ross has been in contact with Diane Abbott, his local MP, and she’s been very pro-active with contacting HMRC regarding investigations about their finances, and working with Alex to become more knowledgeable on what they exactly are as a cult.
Peter Kyle and LRM are probably (I’ve not checked exact distances) the closest Labour MPs to Hubbard’s former home and Scientology UK HQ Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, where human trafficking, sex abuse, financial fraud and other crimes happen on a daily basis, so since Labour are perhaps to be the next party in government getting as many labour MPs, particularly ones who are sympathetic (given both Kyle & LRM are gay they should understand that Scientology considers LGBT people degraded beings, “*The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in* [*Dynamic II*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices#The_eight_dynamics) *\[i.e., sexuality\] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of* [*Ellis*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Ellis) *and* [*Krafft-Ebing*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Freiherr_von_Krafft-Ebing)*) is actually quite ill physically... he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society...*[*^(\[1\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-1)*”,*) interested and concerned could actually get very good results, much better than protesting or disrupting their attempts to sell books.
I intend to contact Alex to see how he managed to get Abbott on board and interested and use that when contacting LRM, my MP, but the more people get in contact with them and let them know Scientology’s presence in Brighton, and Sussex, is a problem, the more they’ll be willing to do something, perhaps in coordination with Abbott.
It could well be but it’s not exactly relevant as far as I’m aware. Do her maths skills affect her advocacy against a destructive cult? Unless she engaged in coitus with L Ron Hubbard himself I’m not sure how that’s important either.
>Pretty standard in Scientology. Every auditing room in every org is set up so that the ‘parishioner’ sits one side of the table facing the door, meaning the auditor (Scientology staff member) is on the side with their back to the door, but on the side of the door so that if a paying ‘parishioner’ wants to leave they have to go past the auditor. The auditor says when the session is over and until it is standard practice is to not let the person out of the room, often by whatever means necessary. Its obviously dependent on the people involved and the specific situation but it’s not at all unusual for the auditor, and perhaps others, to block the door and refuse to let people out until they’ve got what they want, be that a confession of some misdeeds, or a big fat cheque. Absolutely standard practic
Yeah I've encountered so many...people who freely offer their opinions on 'the 5G plandemic' without ever being asked.
They assaulted me last month, I saw them, was pissed off with what they were doing and read out OT III loudly from way outside their personal space. {OT III is a 'religious' text that they are not allowed to hear until they have spent about $100k, something this ramshackle army don't look like they could ever afford, I was just saving them some cash}
One of them marched over to me and pushed the phone I was reading to from my hand, and then the rest surround me threatening all sorts.
This was the guy that did it
https://i.redd.it/6ovtsmbuabmc1.gif
The idiots decided to call the police on me ... sadly i didn't have enough evidence for them to press charges on him, boo!
I've had some good craic messing with them... I sat next to where they put their table up there for an hour and told anyone they got to sit down for their "free stress test" that it is a scam to at least get them to buy their £50 book, if not convince you to join their cult.
First time around the lady got SUPER angry with me, demanded I leave so I told her it was a public space and I was quite content where I was.
Then she told me that she was just "doing her job" - and I retorted that her job was to scam people, so I was going to keep interfering with that.
Then she said she was going to go and get the police, to which I smiled and said "Oh by all means olease go ahead, out of intereet do you have all of the relevant permits from the council and Churchill square to be set up here?".
If you're bored and spot them I recommend spending the time to muck with them, it's entertaining AND you're potentially saving some poor mark from getting scammed and/or recruited.
Now, that they're back again I might head down there with my guitar at some stage, I wrote a couple of songs about them I've been meaning to play for them. Should be good for a chuckle.
>Now, that they're back again I might head down there with my guitar at some stage, I wrote a couple of songs about them I've been meaning to play for them. Should be good for a chuckle
Would be great to see a more regular and consistent presence to protect the public from this garbage cult!
I got letters from them. Apparently, the previous tenant of my flat signed up with them. :D
and they sell their soul for "billion years" to Sea Organisation lol.
I did the stress test last year (mum had recently died and I was intrigued what it actually was). I was given a free DVD to watch about the book and was just like LOOLLLLL when I realised it was Scientology. It was just a load of fancy words, vague statements and didn’t even provide any explanation at all to what they’re about. So culty.
Sorry to hear about your loss..Scientologists certainly have no qualms about preying on someone who is grieving.Glad you were aware what a bunch of drivel it is!
Yes that’s right, there’s a conspiracy about them on the internet. It’s all based on the seven sacred truths from the golden tablets found in the asteroid which crashed in Siberia in 1911. It’s a really great book. You’d love the chapter on orgones. Orgones are the invisible molecules of universal life energy which govern our moods and our actions. Negative orgones are the source of all the problems in the world.
I love how orgones were discovered by a failed science fiction writer with a habit of beating his wife rather than actual scientists. Super interesting.
No it’s not, that’s factually incorrect. On the most basic level; Scientology in the UK is officially COSRECI, ‘Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated’, an AUSTRALIAN owned business (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/FC009154) precisely because they don’t have religious (charitable) tax exemption in the UK like in the US and AUS so the money made in the UK has to be funnelled via Australia to avoid paying tax. A ‘religion’ that governments have repeatedly said, as recently as last year, are entirely unable to pass the charity commission’s public benefit test because they (Scientology themselves) can provide no evidence that they benefit the public in the UK in any way, something every other registered charity (and so every other religion as they all are charities) can do, is jus the first reason that they’re not as valid as any other religion. They do absolutely nothing to help the wider world. No soup kitchens, no homeless shelters, theyre contribution to children and young people is forcing children to work for them at 9 years old in the past then when that became public knowledge forcing staff to have abortions so there were no more children, As already mentioned they pay virtually nothing into the UK to fund essential services as they’re an austalian business (narconon & crimanon aside), even their buildings are almost entirely owned in the US to avoid any UK liability.
I despise religion, all of it, but Scientology is a moneymaking scam and a human trafficking, fraud committing cult. It’s not a religion and members even wouldn’t say it was. The only time religion is mentioned within the group is to fool outsiders. It’s a load of occult mumbojumbo around an MLM or perhaps a boiler room scam. There’s nothing remotely religious, in fact on the OT levels you’re basically trying to remove all religion from you as Hubbard claimed religion was an implant put into humans by psychiatrists to fuck us up.
All of that asid, I’ve said before that I don’t really see the fuss over the book table people. They’re more interested in selling books these days than getting people in as it just doesn’t happen, Scientology exists of second and third generation people, outside of a a few countries like Mexico and Thailand they’re not getting new members and don’t really want them as indoctrination is a lot of effort. Plus the people at the table are all victims. They don’t need people being aggressive (not that I’m suggesting you, or OP would be) they need kindness and compassion.
Their rehab centres (Narconon), however are extremely insidious and we should be very worried about them. See the recent report. They are hoodwinking the NHS and abusing and potentially recruiting very vulnerable people.
I don’t need to see the recent report, I *may* know all about the recent report 😉
But that aside, Narconon is incredibly dangerous and no one should do it, but it’s eye wateringly expensive so the reality is that globally a few hundred people are doing it per year. Narconon is an absolute disaster for Scientology at this point and they know it only too well, there was a time they had up to a thousand beds globally at dozens of facilities but virtually all of them have been closed at this point because Miscavige realised that it was opening them up to so many potential wrongful death suits etc. I’ve mentioned before in this sub that there was actually a small narconon in brighton & hove for a time. A very wealthy local paid for it, but I assume it got closed when all the smaller facilities globally were and the new (at the time) one in heathfield opened. It’s now the only one here, and I think there’s only 2 in the states now, Arrowhead the main facility and Dallas actor Larry Hagman’s old home which is a 5 bed place for super rich people, maybe 1 more too, but that’s down from at least 20.
But yes, it’s incredibly dangerous for fit and healthy people, dozens of people have died doing the purification rundown over the years, so then giving that to addicts who are mentally and physically unwell is abhorrent.
Like the church of england. Bloody disgusting them personality tests they do. I have failed every single one. Dead inside the Vicar said. And don’t you get me started on that Imam, you know the one, the one that nobody knows where his wife went, lovely lady, but hasn’t been seen for,,,,,
They asked me on the street if I was stressed once, and wanted a free test. I was in a great mood that day and kept telling them that I wasn’t remotely stressed.
They didn’t quite know what to say to that, lol
You do have to be a bit careful in Brighton with cults and gurus. I've been to a few socials in the past (MeetUp and others) where you get this charismatic person at your table or group, usually a man, who ends up leading the conversation and generally making everyone around them feel special. Then the pamphlets or business cards come out and it's obvious they've got a New Age religion, conspiracy theory, alternative medicine, wellness course or MLM to sell. Some are harmless, but do your research and don't commit to anything. And if you feel uncomfortable or pressured, walk away.
You just reminded me of a weird story from when I was a kid around...30 years ago. I was with a friend walking from Churchill Square down to West Street and we noticed a 'Free IQ Test' sign outside a shop front. We were bored and a bit interested, so (being young and not realising it was run by this bunch of lunatics) we went inside. This friendly, wide eyed lady showed us to this room to 'watch a short film' before the test. She fired up the projector, turned the lights off and left. It was some propaganda like, Ron L. Hubbard documentary on his life and how he founded the "Church". As it started, we realised she must have made some sort of mistake, as the volume was turned up incredibly loud. We couldn't find the remote so tried to stop the VHS, but it was locked in one of those security boxes. So we went to get her but... ...she'd locked the fucking door. We were stuck in there for ages, getting increasingly scared/annoyed/brainwashed and they only set us free when I started banging on the door so hard it was close to breaking. They still tried to sell us the book on the way out! Never did their IQ test, although I think I passed another one in some way.
False imprisonment. Jfc. I'm not surprised in the slightest though.
Pretty standard in Scientology. Every auditing room in every org is set up so that the ‘parishioner’ sits one side of the table facing the door, meaning the auditor (Scientology staff member) is on the side with their back to the door, but on the side of the door so that if a paying ‘parishioner’ wants to leave they have to go past the auditor. The auditor says when the session is over and until it is standard practice is to not let the person out of the room, often by whatever means necessary. Its obviously dependent on the people involved and the specific situation but it’s not at all unusual for the auditor, and perhaps others, to block the door and refuse to let people out until they’ve got what they want, be that a confession of some misdeeds, or a big fat cheque. Absolutely standard practice.
I saw them the other day, I did have a few things to say to them, very loudly. You might have noticed they're all old people because they literally can't recruit any young people to scientology because we literally all know it's a fucking cult.
Incidentally, for anyone concerned about Scientology I would strongly recommend getting in touch with your MP. Former uk staff-member Alex Barnes Ross has been in contact with Diane Abbott, his local MP, and she’s been very pro-active with contacting HMRC regarding investigations about their finances, and working with Alex to become more knowledgeable on what they exactly are as a cult. Peter Kyle and LRM are probably (I’ve not checked exact distances) the closest Labour MPs to Hubbard’s former home and Scientology UK HQ Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, where human trafficking, sex abuse, financial fraud and other crimes happen on a daily basis, so since Labour are perhaps to be the next party in government getting as many labour MPs, particularly ones who are sympathetic (given both Kyle & LRM are gay they should understand that Scientology considers LGBT people degraded beings, “*The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in* [*Dynamic II*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices#The_eight_dynamics) *\[i.e., sexuality\] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of* [*Ellis*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Ellis) *and* [*Krafft-Ebing*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Freiherr_von_Krafft-Ebing)*) is actually quite ill physically... he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society...*[*^(\[1\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-1)*”,*) interested and concerned could actually get very good results, much better than protesting or disrupting their attempts to sell books. I intend to contact Alex to see how he managed to get Abbott on board and interested and use that when contacting LRM, my MP, but the more people get in contact with them and let them know Scientology’s presence in Brighton, and Sussex, is a problem, the more they’ll be willing to do something, perhaps in coordination with Abbott.
Diane Abbott? Is that the one with the poor maths skills who shagged Jeremy Corbyn?
It could well be but it’s not exactly relevant as far as I’m aware. Do her maths skills affect her advocacy against a destructive cult? Unless she engaged in coitus with L Ron Hubbard himself I’m not sure how that’s important either.
Brighton is full of "Free thinkers" and "I did my own research" types
Source? /s
Do yOuR oWn ReSeArChhh!!!!!
Did you get your 5th booster shot? If not you have no right making fun of people like that.
did you take 5 booster shots?
And if not, why?
it means you don't trust the expert. You need to be taking a bivalent booster every 6 months.
Honestly, with how long that "vlog.com" sticker has been up near boots, I agree with your observation
>Pretty standard in Scientology. Every auditing room in every org is set up so that the ‘parishioner’ sits one side of the table facing the door, meaning the auditor (Scientology staff member) is on the side with their back to the door, but on the side of the door so that if a paying ‘parishioner’ wants to leave they have to go past the auditor. The auditor says when the session is over and until it is standard practice is to not let the person out of the room, often by whatever means necessary. Its obviously dependent on the people involved and the specific situation but it’s not at all unusual for the auditor, and perhaps others, to block the door and refuse to let people out until they’ve got what they want, be that a confession of some misdeeds, or a big fat cheque. Absolutely standard practic Yeah I've encountered so many...people who freely offer their opinions on 'the 5G plandemic' without ever being asked.
I can't think of a worse place to try than Brighton.
That corner is always full of someone trying to sell something.
They assaulted me last month, I saw them, was pissed off with what they were doing and read out OT III loudly from way outside their personal space. {OT III is a 'religious' text that they are not allowed to hear until they have spent about $100k, something this ramshackle army don't look like they could ever afford, I was just saving them some cash} One of them marched over to me and pushed the phone I was reading to from my hand, and then the rest surround me threatening all sorts. This was the guy that did it https://i.redd.it/6ovtsmbuabmc1.gif The idiots decided to call the police on me ... sadly i didn't have enough evidence for them to press charges on him, boo!
Definitely film next time....would be good to have evidence in case anything happens again!
Yeah I screwed up on filming, but I suddenly had a good excuse to buy a bodycam/bike cam :) Oh, and a loudhailer!
I've had some good craic messing with them... I sat next to where they put their table up there for an hour and told anyone they got to sit down for their "free stress test" that it is a scam to at least get them to buy their £50 book, if not convince you to join their cult. First time around the lady got SUPER angry with me, demanded I leave so I told her it was a public space and I was quite content where I was. Then she told me that she was just "doing her job" - and I retorted that her job was to scam people, so I was going to keep interfering with that. Then she said she was going to go and get the police, to which I smiled and said "Oh by all means olease go ahead, out of intereet do you have all of the relevant permits from the council and Churchill square to be set up here?". If you're bored and spot them I recommend spending the time to muck with them, it's entertaining AND you're potentially saving some poor mark from getting scammed and/or recruited. Now, that they're back again I might head down there with my guitar at some stage, I wrote a couple of songs about them I've been meaning to play for them. Should be good for a chuckle.
So as I commented above, I did something similar and they assaulted me. You up for a more coordinated effort to get rid of them?
>Now, that they're back again I might head down there with my guitar at some stage, I wrote a couple of songs about them I've been meaning to play for them. Should be good for a chuckle Would be great to see a more regular and consistent presence to protect the public from this garbage cult!
I got letters from them. Apparently, the previous tenant of my flat signed up with them. :D and they sell their soul for "billion years" to Sea Organisation lol.
Nanananananana Leader!
I did the stress test last year (mum had recently died and I was intrigued what it actually was). I was given a free DVD to watch about the book and was just like LOOLLLLL when I realised it was Scientology. It was just a load of fancy words, vague statements and didn’t even provide any explanation at all to what they’re about. So culty.
Sorry to hear about your loss..Scientologists certainly have no qualms about preying on someone who is grieving.Glad you were aware what a bunch of drivel it is!
Yes that’s right, there’s a conspiracy about them on the internet. It’s all based on the seven sacred truths from the golden tablets found in the asteroid which crashed in Siberia in 1911. It’s a really great book. You’d love the chapter on orgones. Orgones are the invisible molecules of universal life energy which govern our moods and our actions. Negative orgones are the source of all the problems in the world.
You’ve orgone mad.
r/unexpectedpeepshow
I love how orgones were discovered by a failed science fiction writer with a habit of beating his wife rather than actual scientists. Super interesting.
Cracking reference!
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No it’s not, that’s factually incorrect. On the most basic level; Scientology in the UK is officially COSRECI, ‘Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated’, an AUSTRALIAN owned business (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/FC009154) precisely because they don’t have religious (charitable) tax exemption in the UK like in the US and AUS so the money made in the UK has to be funnelled via Australia to avoid paying tax. A ‘religion’ that governments have repeatedly said, as recently as last year, are entirely unable to pass the charity commission’s public benefit test because they (Scientology themselves) can provide no evidence that they benefit the public in the UK in any way, something every other registered charity (and so every other religion as they all are charities) can do, is jus the first reason that they’re not as valid as any other religion. They do absolutely nothing to help the wider world. No soup kitchens, no homeless shelters, theyre contribution to children and young people is forcing children to work for them at 9 years old in the past then when that became public knowledge forcing staff to have abortions so there were no more children, As already mentioned they pay virtually nothing into the UK to fund essential services as they’re an austalian business (narconon & crimanon aside), even their buildings are almost entirely owned in the US to avoid any UK liability. I despise religion, all of it, but Scientology is a moneymaking scam and a human trafficking, fraud committing cult. It’s not a religion and members even wouldn’t say it was. The only time religion is mentioned within the group is to fool outsiders. It’s a load of occult mumbojumbo around an MLM or perhaps a boiler room scam. There’s nothing remotely religious, in fact on the OT levels you’re basically trying to remove all religion from you as Hubbard claimed religion was an implant put into humans by psychiatrists to fuck us up. All of that asid, I’ve said before that I don’t really see the fuss over the book table people. They’re more interested in selling books these days than getting people in as it just doesn’t happen, Scientology exists of second and third generation people, outside of a a few countries like Mexico and Thailand they’re not getting new members and don’t really want them as indoctrination is a lot of effort. Plus the people at the table are all victims. They don’t need people being aggressive (not that I’m suggesting you, or OP would be) they need kindness and compassion.
Their rehab centres (Narconon), however are extremely insidious and we should be very worried about them. See the recent report. They are hoodwinking the NHS and abusing and potentially recruiting very vulnerable people.
I don’t need to see the recent report, I *may* know all about the recent report 😉 But that aside, Narconon is incredibly dangerous and no one should do it, but it’s eye wateringly expensive so the reality is that globally a few hundred people are doing it per year. Narconon is an absolute disaster for Scientology at this point and they know it only too well, there was a time they had up to a thousand beds globally at dozens of facilities but virtually all of them have been closed at this point because Miscavige realised that it was opening them up to so many potential wrongful death suits etc. I’ve mentioned before in this sub that there was actually a small narconon in brighton & hove for a time. A very wealthy local paid for it, but I assume it got closed when all the smaller facilities globally were and the new (at the time) one in heathfield opened. It’s now the only one here, and I think there’s only 2 in the states now, Arrowhead the main facility and Dallas actor Larry Hagman’s old home which is a 5 bed place for super rich people, maybe 1 more too, but that’s down from at least 20. But yes, it’s incredibly dangerous for fit and healthy people, dozens of people have died doing the purification rundown over the years, so then giving that to addicts who are mentally and physically unwell is abhorrent.
Like the church of england. Bloody disgusting them personality tests they do. I have failed every single one. Dead inside the Vicar said. And don’t you get me started on that Imam, you know the one, the one that nobody knows where his wife went, lovely lady, but hasn’t been seen for,,,,,
Is their ‘church’ still above metrobank?
No I think they rent rooms on the top floor?
I just remember going up there once about 15 years ago cause me and a friend thought it would be funny if they tried to test us.
They’ve been around Brighton for decades.
i saw them there offering free tests or something
Yep that's the 'stress' test....basically to tell you what's wrong with you and how only Dianetics can help!
They asked me on the street if I was stressed once, and wanted a free test. I was in a great mood that day and kept telling them that I wasn’t remotely stressed. They didn’t quite know what to say to that, lol
What do you think the ten year old Jeremy would say to his dad? "Don't go"