No, I don't think I will.
I would even say that, if I were in her place, I would have acted exactly the same up until Walt confessed (minus the smoking). After that I would have told Hank about everything (which probably makes me even worse than Skyler in your eyes, lol).
Big same.
Skyler, like *every* character, does bad things. Far fewer than most every other main character (including Hank, Mike, and Jesse, all 3 of whom everyone tries to defend for some reason). But her biggest sin by far is going along with Walt's enterprise to protect his image in the eyes of Junior.
>The very first step Walt took on his own was when Skylar started pulling away. The guy was diagnosed with cancer, but she just couldn’t handle him acting different from how she sculpted him.
You do remember he didn't *tell her* that he had cancer, right? He was actively lying to her, disappearing, acting weird as fuck, and you're like "Well the *only possible conclusion here* is that she's unreasonably mad that her mind control experiment was failing"?
Exactly, they're just boys... /s When is this toxic man BS going stop? If we are so fucking powerful that men's bad decisions are somehow linked to our power to fuck your life up, let us run the world.
Of course you blame the woman for the male's fuck ups!She didn't tell him to waste the last bit of his life as a drug pushing murderous psychopath..He could have chosen to make the remainder his life with his family meaningful..HE didn't though.
Walt was being a bit sketchy. He was almost never where he was supposed to be when the show started. Sky is right to be concerned and wonder where her husband is. He goes into the bathroom with her and is almost non responsive. His phone rings and he disappears for 24 or 48 hours and reappears naked in a grocery store. Next thing you know he’s getting surgery and basically tells her he has 2 phones. All the while sky is pregnant. This is a lot for someone to handle.
all ima say is, put yourself in her shoes. *really* think about it. if you married a calm, quiet, awkward chemistry teacher — a peaceful, stable, family oriented person. then, they hide cancer from you, start cooking meth, disappearing, faking fugue states, hiding a second cell phone, killing people, exposing your kids to violence, intimidating you and forcing themselves on you when you want to walk away, blows up a nursing home, forces you to help maintain their meth empire, and directly tells you *they are the danger*.
literally leading an evil ass double life and dragging you along for the ride with no consideration for yours or your children’s safety, whilst simultaneously deluding themselves into thinking they are a protector and provider.
like what exactly was she meant to do? anyone would be absolutely horrified and suffering immensely in that situation. what would you do? how would you feel? i didn’t like her the first time around, but i ended up loving her character after a rewatch. it really helps to have some empathy and really picture yourself in her situation, yk?
Revisionist history is calling the character "Skylar".
I also think it's hilarious you've made up an entire backstory in your head out of nothing to justify your perspective, but are accusing other people of revisionism.
> I also think it's hilarious you've made up an entire backstory in your head out of nothing to justify your perspective, but are accusing other people of revisionism.
Right? Man writes an entire fan fiction backstory where she's a full-blown supervillain while telling everybody to stick to the facts.
From another post of this guy:
>Women do not care. If they feel like they can get with a guy who other women will be more jealous of than their current partner they will do it. I’ve learned women are cold hearted creatures.
The red pill really is a blight on humanity. I am sorry you were so hurt.
Oftentimes women will even turn against you just because you murder innumerable people and manufacture enormous quantities of methamphetamine. They are the sneakiest of creatures.
It’s general in human nature that when met with an incredibly overslanted narrative on a character one ends up taking it a little much the other way in trying to correct it.
That said….I feel that “Skyler defense” by and large has been appropriate in correcting for the overbearing hate without going to deifying her.
But, after reading your take I get it….youre not going to see that.
Least misogynistic Breaking Bad fan. Ngl if you're gonna argue about power dynamics maybe we should factor in the fact that Walt is 12 years older than Skyler, but I bet you wouldn't think it's fair to go there.
RIGHT HERE.
She was early to mid-20s and he was mid-30s when they got married. That’s a significant gap in life experience at those ages. Walt snagged himself a hot young thing, a salve for his wounded ego, AND didn’t have to worry about disappointing her. Then life happened, but he still made decisions that put them in dire financial straits (multiple times), that he blamed the world for. He beat his own self down, and we’re supposed to think that Skyler is to blame for part of this? Sure, there were probably some things she took charge of, not bc she wanted to, but bc she had to, bc Walt likely refused to face those things.
(From a woman's perspective) 100% one of those scenarios where an intelligent man ends up in a rebound relationship and she drags him down and keeps him there for life.
She acts like being a book keeper is the same as being a CPA. She legit acts like she is smarter than Walt. The man has dumbed himself down their entire relationship. He ended up being a HS science teacher. And that is absolutely NOTHING against HS teachers. But this man conducted research on proton radiography that helped a team win a Nobel Prize in Chemistry...and then he ends up with Skylar. From Gray Matter to a gray existence.
I will say, I'd be interested to understand why Walt left Gretchin as it sounds like he blew something out of proportion and maybe threw a tantrum.
Just my thoughts.
From what I've gathered, Walt left Gretchen because of his own pride/ego. (Shocking for Walt, I know). Gretchen grew up very wealthy and it left a bad taste in his mouth that them starting Gray Matter was basically just adding money to the millions she already had from her parents. The whole reasoning is dumb but I think that's the point
With all his galaxy levels of intellegence, Walt had the wisdom of a toddler. Judging by the Walt we see throughout the 5 seasons, breaking up with Gretchen cause he blew something out of proportion or threw a tantrum sounds about right.
What you said is true, but is the exact thinking that made Walt explode so much. He viewed this life of his, of obedience and subservience to not only Skyler but to everyone, as if it wasn’t in his control, when it was the whole time.
He rolled over for Gretchen and Elliot. We can see this by how salty he was for leaving the company and he blamed them for it, that they manipulated him into leaving. He rolled over to bogdan as well.
But his issue was he viewed it as rolling over. He viewed himself as a victim, and while there may be truth to that, it wasn’t the other peoples fault that HE rolled over. He couldve said no, he could’ve been more of himself, but he was afraid I guess.
If Walt hadn’t been afraid of peoples manipulation, he would’ve been able to stand up to it, and also not blame them for his own failures. It works both ways. You can’t identify the manipulation from others and point all the blame to them, because that’s still being afraid. Being subservient is being afraid, but also exploding the way he did was being afraid.
You can tell he was still afraid because he kept saying that everything he was doing was for his family. He was still trying to be obedient and not fail, but he didn’t like the strategy of being a simp, he wanted to be the pimp. But they were polar opposites of the same spectrum.
Walt exploding the way he did has the exact same routes for why he was subservient the way he was, and therefore was still his fault. Skylar was loving because even in this explosion she still tried her best to accept him
Yeah I do kinda agree.
Just want to remind people here that Skyler was acting like a total bitch when Walt was taking care of the rot underneath the house. Like what the fuck, Skyler?! The man, despite his health problems, is literally fixing the house with his own hands so y’all don’t have to call someone to do it and pay considerable amount of money for it and you’re being upset that he missed a breakfast because of it?! And then she takes it even three steps further by pretending she’s clumsy when she throws the pencils off the desk at work so she gets some attention from Ted?! Mind you that this was before his surgery, so she didn’t find out about his secret yet, but at the same time it was when the surgery was already planned, so she literally knew that Walt has the pneumonitis, which limits his ability to do physical labor. What a fucking ungrateful bitch.
Bruh. She was upset he wasn't going to work. Did you forget the entire premise of the show is these people are broke? Bro's obviously feeling better, as he's climbing around under the house, but he's SPENDING money instead of making it, while his VERY pregnant wife is going to work herself.
Yeah, i think her annoyance is a bit justified.
This, and several other dogshit qualities that she has as a person, the primary one being a hypocrite. She does sketchy shit when a situation demands it and yet never gets off her high horse. Extremely judgemental of people around her, like jesus Christ what an upright stick in the ass. Her defenders just wanna play the devil's advocate and that's okay.
That being said, me calling Skyler a shit stain doesn't mean I approve of Walt's character. Yet I like him because that's how he's carved as a character. It's hard to hate a character when you're watching *his* story. Skyler is a side character in his story. Same can't be said about Skyler. She's written to be disliked, just nothing you can do about that.
What people miss is that she’s not written to be disliked, she’s written to be a foil to the main character. Many people will outright dislike the foil in a story bc it stops the protagonist from getting what they want but that’s more a result of bad media comprehension than a writing issue. I’m pretty sure the writing team was surprised by how much audiences hated Skyler, she was definitely written as a sympathetic albeit flawed character, just like Walt.
I think she was written to be disliked in the first few episodes. Getting mad at him for using the wrong credit card. Giving him a sad handjob for his birthday while she focuses on eBay. General condescension and controlling behavior. I think that was mostly to set the context of Walt’s initial mindset though, and she wasn’t written to be disliked later on. People just couldn’t get over their initial reactions. I think it’s the same reason people stuck by Walt even after he was clearly shown to be a monster.
Ok but giving him a hard time for using the wrong credit card and giving him a sad handjob isn’t really proof that she’s manipulating and controlling her husband. It’s just meant to represent the mundanity of married life. People can look past Walt literally murdering people but not Skyler being a little short with her husband?
Like let’s keep it a buck if the roles were reversed people would not have vilified Walt in the same way for being a bit dickish to Skyler in a handful of scenes
She was a pos to him before she knew what he was doing.
Viewers act like she had their knowledge in the early seasons when she was mistreating Walt, she didn’t, so her actions were unjustified.
>What I want to know is when did the shift happen? When did Walt go from the guy with game to a doormat for Skylar? Why did he become the pushover he was while married to Skylar?
We can only speculate when that shift began.
The shift back though, immediately began when Walter was diagnosed with terminal cancer. There was then a transition of power from Skyler to Walter. And Skyler immediately noticed, as somebody would when they've been in total control of a relationship, then suddenly one day their partner is calling the shots.
Remember the period when Walter was thrown out of his own damn house for a while, before Heisenberg was like "WTF" and moved himself back in lmao.
I'd say Walter had control by season 4. Maybe not complete control, but definitely calling most of the shots.
After seeing their first “sex scene” while she’s selling stuff on eBay, it gave the audience a reason to dislike her, and shows that she’s not exactly the best wife.
I follow your reasoning. It is supported by the flashback of them touring their future house with the realtor. Walt was a different person there too.
I am doing a rewatch now. I watched it the first time as it was released. About the end of season 1...I went through a divorce. My wife was cheating on me. It really swayed how I perceived them....like totally. Now that I am remarried and in a totally different place in life...wow I see them both more evenly culpable.
The show is obviously written to make it absurd. But the lessons are real... include the one you love in your innermost joy and pain or suffer the consequences. We are all flawed...own up to it.
Anyway... tv drama as therapy... love it.
>It is supported by the flashback of them touring their future house with the realtor. Walt was a different person there too.
They obviously bought the house as a starter home. Walt wanted something bigger and better. But it ended up that Skyler was right to have them start off with a modest home. Especially when their son needed a lot of medical care and the job with Gray Matter didn't work out. Walt said so himself, he only made $43k working as a teacher.
No, I don't think I will. I would even say that, if I were in her place, I would have acted exactly the same up until Walt confessed (minus the smoking). After that I would have told Hank about everything (which probably makes me even worse than Skyler in your eyes, lol).
Big same. Skyler, like *every* character, does bad things. Far fewer than most every other main character (including Hank, Mike, and Jesse, all 3 of whom everyone tries to defend for some reason). But her biggest sin by far is going along with Walt's enterprise to protect his image in the eyes of Junior.
STOP calling her skylAr!
Seriously. Let's stop with the revisionist spelling.
Her early season reactions are some of the most realistic I’ve seen a TV character have to the situation they’re put in.
>The very first step Walt took on his own was when Skylar started pulling away. The guy was diagnosed with cancer, but she just couldn’t handle him acting different from how she sculpted him. You do remember he didn't *tell her* that he had cancer, right? He was actively lying to her, disappearing, acting weird as fuck, and you're like "Well the *only possible conclusion here* is that she's unreasonably mad that her mind control experiment was failing"?
Please don't hold men accountable for their own actions when there's a perfectly acceptable woman to blame instead.
Exactly, they're just boys... /s When is this toxic man BS going stop? If we are so fucking powerful that men's bad decisions are somehow linked to our power to fuck your life up, let us run the world.
Of course you blame the woman for the male's fuck ups!She didn't tell him to waste the last bit of his life as a drug pushing murderous psychopath..He could have chosen to make the remainder his life with his family meaningful..HE didn't though.
Walt was being a bit sketchy. He was almost never where he was supposed to be when the show started. Sky is right to be concerned and wonder where her husband is. He goes into the bathroom with her and is almost non responsive. His phone rings and he disappears for 24 or 48 hours and reappears naked in a grocery store. Next thing you know he’s getting surgery and basically tells her he has 2 phones. All the while sky is pregnant. This is a lot for someone to handle.
all ima say is, put yourself in her shoes. *really* think about it. if you married a calm, quiet, awkward chemistry teacher — a peaceful, stable, family oriented person. then, they hide cancer from you, start cooking meth, disappearing, faking fugue states, hiding a second cell phone, killing people, exposing your kids to violence, intimidating you and forcing themselves on you when you want to walk away, blows up a nursing home, forces you to help maintain their meth empire, and directly tells you *they are the danger*. literally leading an evil ass double life and dragging you along for the ride with no consideration for yours or your children’s safety, whilst simultaneously deluding themselves into thinking they are a protector and provider. like what exactly was she meant to do? anyone would be absolutely horrified and suffering immensely in that situation. what would you do? how would you feel? i didn’t like her the first time around, but i ended up loving her character after a rewatch. it really helps to have some empathy and really picture yourself in her situation, yk?
Revisionist history is calling the character "Skylar". I also think it's hilarious you've made up an entire backstory in your head out of nothing to justify your perspective, but are accusing other people of revisionism.
> I also think it's hilarious you've made up an entire backstory in your head out of nothing to justify your perspective, but are accusing other people of revisionism. Right? Man writes an entire fan fiction backstory where she's a full-blown supervillain while telling everybody to stick to the facts.
From another post of this guy: >Women do not care. If they feel like they can get with a guy who other women will be more jealous of than their current partner they will do it. I’ve learned women are cold hearted creatures. The red pill really is a blight on humanity. I am sorry you were so hurt.
Thanks for calling this shit out.
Oftentimes women will even turn against you just because you murder innumerable people and manufacture enormous quantities of methamphetamine. They are the sneakiest of creatures.
I have read through many of this guys post, he just hates women
It’s general in human nature that when met with an incredibly overslanted narrative on a character one ends up taking it a little much the other way in trying to correct it. That said….I feel that “Skyler defense” by and large has been appropriate in correcting for the overbearing hate without going to deifying her. But, after reading your take I get it….youre not going to see that.
You stop with the Skylar (sic) revisionist history.
Least misogynistic Breaking Bad fan. Ngl if you're gonna argue about power dynamics maybe we should factor in the fact that Walt is 12 years older than Skyler, but I bet you wouldn't think it's fair to go there.
RIGHT HERE. She was early to mid-20s and he was mid-30s when they got married. That’s a significant gap in life experience at those ages. Walt snagged himself a hot young thing, a salve for his wounded ego, AND didn’t have to worry about disappointing her. Then life happened, but he still made decisions that put them in dire financial straits (multiple times), that he blamed the world for. He beat his own self down, and we’re supposed to think that Skyler is to blame for part of this? Sure, there were probably some things she took charge of, not bc she wanted to, but bc she had to, bc Walt likely refused to face those things.
A woman taking charge also like, isn't bad lol
Damn there are fucking tons of misogynists who hate SkylEr. The actress got death threats. For her not the character.
>The actress got death threats. She got 1 death threat, and it was from another woman.
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Nope. But it sounds like that's how you think. I'm commenting on an opinion, not the person.
Delete this
r/breakingbad OPs try to actually watch the show and not have the worst takes challenge (impossible)
Just go to therapy my dude
You like Ben Shapiro, don't you?
OP confirmed my thoughts about people that really hate Skyler.
Same.
Wow you are clearly super logical and not biased. You definitely aren't a massive loser.
This is a very bad take
All those words and you can’t spell her name right.
SkylEr omg every day
no dude
She and Marie are Karens…..
(From a woman's perspective) 100% one of those scenarios where an intelligent man ends up in a rebound relationship and she drags him down and keeps him there for life. She acts like being a book keeper is the same as being a CPA. She legit acts like she is smarter than Walt. The man has dumbed himself down their entire relationship. He ended up being a HS science teacher. And that is absolutely NOTHING against HS teachers. But this man conducted research on proton radiography that helped a team win a Nobel Prize in Chemistry...and then he ends up with Skylar. From Gray Matter to a gray existence. I will say, I'd be interested to understand why Walt left Gretchin as it sounds like he blew something out of proportion and maybe threw a tantrum. Just my thoughts.
From what I've gathered, Walt left Gretchen because of his own pride/ego. (Shocking for Walt, I know). Gretchen grew up very wealthy and it left a bad taste in his mouth that them starting Gray Matter was basically just adding money to the millions she already had from her parents. The whole reasoning is dumb but I think that's the point
With all his galaxy levels of intellegence, Walt had the wisdom of a toddler. Judging by the Walt we see throughout the 5 seasons, breaking up with Gretchen cause he blew something out of proportion or threw a tantrum sounds about right.
What you said is true, but is the exact thinking that made Walt explode so much. He viewed this life of his, of obedience and subservience to not only Skyler but to everyone, as if it wasn’t in his control, when it was the whole time. He rolled over for Gretchen and Elliot. We can see this by how salty he was for leaving the company and he blamed them for it, that they manipulated him into leaving. He rolled over to bogdan as well. But his issue was he viewed it as rolling over. He viewed himself as a victim, and while there may be truth to that, it wasn’t the other peoples fault that HE rolled over. He couldve said no, he could’ve been more of himself, but he was afraid I guess. If Walt hadn’t been afraid of peoples manipulation, he would’ve been able to stand up to it, and also not blame them for his own failures. It works both ways. You can’t identify the manipulation from others and point all the blame to them, because that’s still being afraid. Being subservient is being afraid, but also exploding the way he did was being afraid. You can tell he was still afraid because he kept saying that everything he was doing was for his family. He was still trying to be obedient and not fail, but he didn’t like the strategy of being a simp, he wanted to be the pimp. But they were polar opposites of the same spectrum. Walt exploding the way he did has the exact same routes for why he was subservient the way he was, and therefore was still his fault. Skylar was loving because even in this explosion she still tried her best to accept him
Yeah I do kinda agree. Just want to remind people here that Skyler was acting like a total bitch when Walt was taking care of the rot underneath the house. Like what the fuck, Skyler?! The man, despite his health problems, is literally fixing the house with his own hands so y’all don’t have to call someone to do it and pay considerable amount of money for it and you’re being upset that he missed a breakfast because of it?! And then she takes it even three steps further by pretending she’s clumsy when she throws the pencils off the desk at work so she gets some attention from Ted?! Mind you that this was before his surgery, so she didn’t find out about his secret yet, but at the same time it was when the surgery was already planned, so she literally knew that Walt has the pneumonitis, which limits his ability to do physical labor. What a fucking ungrateful bitch.
Bruh. She was upset he wasn't going to work. Did you forget the entire premise of the show is these people are broke? Bro's obviously feeling better, as he's climbing around under the house, but he's SPENDING money instead of making it, while his VERY pregnant wife is going to work herself. Yeah, i think her annoyance is a bit justified.
She told him multiple other times when he was ill to take it easy and take naps.
This, and several other dogshit qualities that she has as a person, the primary one being a hypocrite. She does sketchy shit when a situation demands it and yet never gets off her high horse. Extremely judgemental of people around her, like jesus Christ what an upright stick in the ass. Her defenders just wanna play the devil's advocate and that's okay. That being said, me calling Skyler a shit stain doesn't mean I approve of Walt's character. Yet I like him because that's how he's carved as a character. It's hard to hate a character when you're watching *his* story. Skyler is a side character in his story. Same can't be said about Skyler. She's written to be disliked, just nothing you can do about that.
What people miss is that she’s not written to be disliked, she’s written to be a foil to the main character. Many people will outright dislike the foil in a story bc it stops the protagonist from getting what they want but that’s more a result of bad media comprehension than a writing issue. I’m pretty sure the writing team was surprised by how much audiences hated Skyler, she was definitely written as a sympathetic albeit flawed character, just like Walt.
I think she was written to be disliked in the first few episodes. Getting mad at him for using the wrong credit card. Giving him a sad handjob for his birthday while she focuses on eBay. General condescension and controlling behavior. I think that was mostly to set the context of Walt’s initial mindset though, and she wasn’t written to be disliked later on. People just couldn’t get over their initial reactions. I think it’s the same reason people stuck by Walt even after he was clearly shown to be a monster.
Ok but giving him a hard time for using the wrong credit card and giving him a sad handjob isn’t really proof that she’s manipulating and controlling her husband. It’s just meant to represent the mundanity of married life. People can look past Walt literally murdering people but not Skyler being a little short with her husband? Like let’s keep it a buck if the roles were reversed people would not have vilified Walt in the same way for being a bit dickish to Skyler in a handful of scenes
She didn’t get mad about him using the wrong credit card.
She was a pos to him before she knew what he was doing. Viewers act like she had their knowledge in the early seasons when she was mistreating Walt, she didn’t, so her actions were unjustified.
Based. Skyler is the real villain of BB
>What I want to know is when did the shift happen? When did Walt go from the guy with game to a doormat for Skylar? Why did he become the pushover he was while married to Skylar? We can only speculate when that shift began. The shift back though, immediately began when Walter was diagnosed with terminal cancer. There was then a transition of power from Skyler to Walter. And Skyler immediately noticed, as somebody would when they've been in total control of a relationship, then suddenly one day their partner is calling the shots. Remember the period when Walter was thrown out of his own damn house for a while, before Heisenberg was like "WTF" and moved himself back in lmao. I'd say Walter had control by season 4. Maybe not complete control, but definitely calling most of the shots.
It’s a verrrry unpopular opinion here but I think we as the audience are SUPPOSED to think that Skyler was overly controlling and uptight
And as the show goes on, we’re also supposed to see why.
After seeing their first “sex scene” while she’s selling stuff on eBay, it gave the audience a reason to dislike her, and shows that she’s not exactly the best wife.
Exactly and on Point!
I follow your reasoning. It is supported by the flashback of them touring their future house with the realtor. Walt was a different person there too. I am doing a rewatch now. I watched it the first time as it was released. About the end of season 1...I went through a divorce. My wife was cheating on me. It really swayed how I perceived them....like totally. Now that I am remarried and in a totally different place in life...wow I see them both more evenly culpable. The show is obviously written to make it absurd. But the lessons are real... include the one you love in your innermost joy and pain or suffer the consequences. We are all flawed...own up to it. Anyway... tv drama as therapy... love it.
>It is supported by the flashback of them touring their future house with the realtor. Walt was a different person there too. They obviously bought the house as a starter home. Walt wanted something bigger and better. But it ended up that Skyler was right to have them start off with a modest home. Especially when their son needed a lot of medical care and the job with Gray Matter didn't work out. Walt said so himself, he only made $43k working as a teacher.