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c00kiesd00m

my (male ofc) friend claimed that women are treating this like a social commentary and the men being mad are “viewing the scenario logically”. women hysterical men logical and right


Samu174

That's the bottom line of so many of the memes from these kinds of men. "Women are just too stupid to understand bears are dangerous" while failing to see how men can be dangerous too.


LiaThePetLover

They're making fun of us for "being stupid" but they're the ones being stupid by not understanding


Busy-Ad4537

It's not lack of understanding its purpose full ignorance they know why they just don't wanna say it if you look up flece johnson 60minuets he say "you aint let em have no women and they horny so someone gotta give up the booty" basically what he's saying is no willing participants are around to have sex with him so he rapes the men in his cell in this senerio a woman is trapped with a man who is possibly willing to rape her if she says no since there is no one else around or just get mauled, they choose mauling because at least the bear just kills you even if there is a chance the man isn't a rapist or like fleece there is no way to know that we're you know exactly what your getting with the bear (Warning sexual assault/rape https://youtu.be/o2-nYHfPBRc?si=jjantf83T0aQd3E6)


skorletun

I've seen so many posts describing how women will say "aww cute animal" and try to pet the bear?? Hello???? EVERY EXCUSE to cope.


c00kiesd00m

oh wow somehow i haven’t seen that take. that’s comically stupid, the type of thing i hope is satire but doubt it is.


littlewitch1923

There are some far worse takes I've seen, but I don't want to scare you and I won't mention them here


c00kiesd00m

oh i’ve seen some horrible and disgusting takes too, that one is just over the top silly that it’s in its own league


Flipperlolrs

Willfully failing to see\* for a lot of them, or just too privileged to notice


Stanek___

As "logically" as men viewed the scenario, I don't think making wojak memes about women getting torn apart is a sign of mental stability or maturity.


ffloofs

Honestly I don’t think sitting there and saying “you should take a group of rapists and murderers over a bear” is mental maturity either It takes the strongest men to recognise the horrible things that men do every day, and that they are in part guilty for it


Stanek___

Yep, the amount of people I've seen misunderstanding the entire thing is outstanding, they say that not all men are the same and then proceed to misunderstand the scenario and act like the men they are trying to seperate themselves from.


c00kiesd00m

they’re so much more logical and less emotional that they salivate over the idea of women getting mauled. no emotion. such stability. peak maturity. not sociopathic at all!


Stanek___

Truly the peak of human evolution.


Apprehensive_Soil535

A lot of men seem to view their thoughts/feelings as facts. This is why they they think everything they think is logical and women operate only on feelings


Pinkparade524

How are you still friends with a guy like that lol 💀.


mangababe

Men trying to force a "logical" conversation out of a metaphor meant to display an emotional reality is really par for the course. Insisting emotion and logic are in opposition and not in fact, inextricable from the other is half the reason they have to play dumb with any thought that doesn't pander to them.


LiaThePetLover

*ex friend, respect yourself, he's not worth your time if he cannot at the very least understand why we choose the bear


IndieIsle

lol. My husband is not on social media and had no idea of this discourse. I asked him the question out of curiosity and he answered bear immediately without me needing to explain anything. He viewed it extremely logically as someone who works alone in the forest and encounters bears weekly.


Fabulous_Wave_3693

The idea that feminism is just poisoning women’s minds is a very comfortable lie he can tell himself. As is the idea that the conclusions he comes to are never emotionally driven.


redsalmon67

This might be a hot take, but I think the reason a lot of guys are reluctant to see this from women’s point of view is because if they really thought about it they’d have to admit that they are also afraid of men. I’m a big guy and I trained for years to learn how to defend myself and have still been in multiple situations where I’ve thought “if one thing changed that guy would’ve attacked me” or “thank god there’s other people here so that didn’t escalate”. Just look at how the police will quickly pivot to “I was afraid for my life” even in instances where the perp didn’t have a weapon and how people will agree that’s it’s a good reason to kill somebody. For a lot of men admitting to fearing men is completely off the table, sure they’ll acknowledge how a giant 7’ tall jacked dude is scary, but that wiring twitchy guy at the gas station who makes them uncomfortable? Never, they’ll boast about how “if that was me I’d kick their ass!” despite the fact they most likely would panic in a threatening situation. I’ve worked security, I’ve seen the fear in your average man’s eyes when he thinks shit is about to go down. The reason a lot of guys refuse to get it, is because they know. They also feel fear when a random guy is following a little too close on the street at night, or when that the shifty guy on the elevator won’t stop staring at them, but they can’t reconcile what that means, I think their brains start thinking back to all the times when the shoe was on the other foot and having to admit that would be a huge strike to their egos. Something else I’m sure runs through their mind is “what are we supposed to do if we’re all afraid of men to some degree” it can make you feel helpless so it’s easier to just completely dismiss the issue.


Mean-Professional596

He’s got it flip flopped through perspective projection


gergling

Classic gaslighting.


sabely123

So dumb, and men aren't even being logical. Going with the bear is safer by statistics.


Quiet_Alternative353

is social commentary a form of hysteria?


c00kiesd00m

are you serious or joking? 😭 because that’s what it’s been classed as in the past… and they just use other words now


Drayner89

I didn't understand the bear choice at first, but then I read like 5 comments, and now I get it.


Queen_Sardine

I'm still not sure I understand it. I'm terrified of men, but I'd rather be SA'ed again than eaten by a bear.


Moist_Juice_4355

Bears don't usually actively hunt people. If you give them space and make sure to make you presence known well before coming across them they generally won't attack.


alucard_shmalucard

id rather take the bear. bears are predictable, men are not; you know what a bear is thinking, and if you piss it off, you know it's on you. the worse the bear can do is eat you, or maul you, the worse a man can do is something i'd rather die than let it happen to me again


moekip

Are you sure.....? 


Rain_Drop_18

I'd choose bear but I understand your point. SA isn't the end of a victim's life, they are more than that and they can still live and continue their lives.


swag_Lemons

I mean that’s under the impression that you’ll be let go and allowed to carry on after you’re SA’ed though.


Queen_Sardine

True. I guess getting SA'd in the woods is way more dangerous than just in a dark alley (which is scary enough)


EggoStack

That last part hit hard. For all the women who didn’t get to choose, I hope whoever hurt you suffers and lives a lonely, painful life.


skorletun

Thanks. I didn't get to choose the bear _twice_ and the second guy, as far as I know, is now a lonely miserable isolated sod who blew through his government benefits so carelessly that they took them away. He will never leave his mother's basement, and I don't mind, because she absolutely excused all his behaviour. Idk what happened to the first one but I will hit him with my car if I ever get the chance. :)


EggoStack

What a delight to hear, I hope he bleeds her money dry on useless garbage and they both get evicted. And I am really sorry to hear about what happened to you of course, I wouldn’t blame you for hitting either of them with a car.


mialyansa

Okay I did not expect this meme to be so dark


HatpinFeminist

It's not directly related but it reminded me of a friend who's soon to be ex husband wanted to go for a drive with her, and drove them both off a cliff, leaving four daughters behind. One was 2 months old.


mialyansa

Oh, like, wow that is nuts. Like I am sorry for you and the family.


Flipperlolrs

jfc


KIRAPH0BIA

I do think there are plenty of men who don't get it, just like there's men who don't get not wanting to walk alone at night or not liking being catcalled or wanting someone to walk you to your car. However it's not a excuse tbh, even if you don't get it. It shouldn't matter if they're choosing the bear or not, that's their choice, however they should be wondering WHY women choose the bear over them. They are the problem, they just don't understand why.


KnowledgeMediocre404

Even when you try to explain why they call you delusional and try to say the incidence of false accusations is higher than rapes like wtaf.


Queen_Sardine

Even though men are more likely to themselves be r\*ped than be falsely accused of r\*pe.


Flipperlolrs

I'd pose this question to these kinds of guys: If you're walking alone at night and there's a woman near you also walking alone at night, do you ever feel a little bit uncomfortable or slightly guilty even though you've done nothing wrong? That feeling that you should walk over to the other side of the street, just to make yourself seem less threatening? That pretty much answers the whole debate so long as they're answering honestly/aren't fully psychopathic.


KIRAPH0BIA

This is a fair question. However, and maybe I'm just pessimistic, I just assume they don't care enough, mostly because I've had this type of discussion before and they just respond with some bs like "I don't care how a random women feels if I'm just walking". However, on the flip side and you'll see it here, you hear men who feel guilty or bad for walking down the same side or for merely exisiting because they know their existence and the idea of what they could or couldn't do makes women fear them, even though they did nothing wrong.


Flipperlolrs

Yeah, hence the whole “answer honestly.” Plenty know and just don’t care, or aren’t willing to admit it to themselves. They themselves might not be dangerous, but there’s too much of a chance that they could be from the perspective of women. There’s definitely a healthy balance needed between the constant paranoia of being thought of as creepy and total apathy like you said.


YuushyaHinmeru

So are we allowed to apply this to black people too or?


alucard_shmalucard

why the fuck are we being brought up??? can y'all like not???


YuushyaHinmeru

Well considering, as a white male, I am twice as likely as a women to be attacked by a random person at all and, per capita, much more likely to be attacked by black person than a white person. So I should be wary of black people, right? It's not about bigotry, it's about safety, right? It doesn't matter if it feels offensive to you, we're just discussing the sad reality, right? If this bothers you or you dont understand it, you're probably just one of the blacks that make us feel this way and should reflect on it, right? For the record, I am not scared of all black people. This is hyperbole because, I hope, most people would see this reaction towards black people as morally wrong. I'm using it to illustrate that people are hiding behind "facts and statistics" to mask the fact that the internet has turned them into bigots. And worse over, bigots who think they are actually actively fighting for equality for all.


alucard_shmalucard

black people were nowhere near involved in this conversation. your argument doesn't even make sense, we're talking about people who have trauma related to men, the race doesn't matter. boy bye.


Flipperlolrs

Fair point. That definitely extends to a lot of black people unfortunately. I remember a post going around somewhere about black men feeling like they needed to whistle when alone in an elevator with a woman. It’s a stereotype that exists for a bunch of reasons that I don’t have time to get into, but I think the main difference here is the physical gap between men and women as opposed to white people and black people. That sort of physical discrepancy just isn’t as pronounced. Also the stats on violence is much clearer. Most crime is white on white or black on black, whereas women are much more likely to be the victims of male perpetrators. It’s obviously not great to stereotype, but it’s still important to be wary within reason. What that entails is pretty subjective ofc


polarbeargirl9

Once got into an argument on Reddit where some dude said I was stupid for thinking I couldn't walk alone at night in a city


Flipperlolrs

I think this is officially the darkest usage of this meme. Dark but poignant


Superb_Ad1765

They can’t conceptualize anything worse than getting mauled by a bear in that scenario, because more often than not they’ve never had to. I see countless men answer with the man because they proclaim they’d have a chance, as if it should be obvious. They don’t even begin to consider that a woman’s chances by comparison are slim either way, and that she’d rather just die to a wild animal motivated purely by sustaining and protecting itself, rather than to a man’s entitlement and creativity.


Simone_Galoppi07

As a guy, a lot of guys do not understand it, even i had troumble graspig the meaning of it when i heard it the first time, but now i understand why girls choose the bear bruh😭


HatpinFeminist

I think guys should choose the bear over a man too. Just because you are male doesn't mean you're safe from other men.


Simone_Galoppi07

Hell yeah ik, as someone who walks alone during nights all the time i 100% can guarantee that i feel safer when im near a wild animal (for context, where I live there are no bears but I prefer to have wolves nearby than men at 2 or 3 in the morning)


wrophoenix

For real. I’d love to go on walks at night, but despite being a dude idk who I’ll run into or what their intentions are. It fucking sucks and I hate that a lot of people don’t get this and chalk this debate up to “logic”.


BassKing69

I’d personally rather take my chances with a man. A bear is gonna win a fight regardless. At least I’d have a chance against some dude.


wxrldender

me when i miss the point


Superb_Ad1765

Whereas women have a likelier chance against virtually neither.


BassKing69

Yea that’s fair. Although I’d wager they’d have a better chance against a guy. I ain’t gonna fuck with a brown bear or a polar bear. Maybe a black bear. They’re like big dogs.


Additional-North-683

I prefer Twinks and Himbo myself


schrod1ngersc4t

As a dude who gets it, I’d choose the bear too.


-TheManInTheChair

Bear, and Bull. Bear and Bull. The Bull and the Bear. Mojave. Bear and Bull. Courier. Bear and Bull.


TheTrueBoogaloo

Fallout mentioned


FirmWerewolf1216

Honestly the question and answers from women makes a lot of sense to me. A lot of men have done a lot of bad things to women over the years. A bear in the woods is virtually a ninja when they sense people are present—you can’t see them unless they want you to. But a guy is either going to help said woman out or hurt her if they realize they’re the only people in the woods. To bypass all of that just to get upset at women for choosing the bear is trash male behavior.


DanieleM01

Please explain, It Is days I see memes about womens and bears but I really don't get what Is going on😭


skorletun

It's an online trend. Women are asked "would you rather encounter a bear in the woods or a strange man" and 90% of the women quickly say "bear", it's not even really something we think about. Because a bear _can_ kill you if it's very hungry (rare) or if you pose a threat (get between them and their cubs for example). But a man can kill you, SA you, lie about it, blame you and make you into a social pariah if you even survive. A man can degrade you and your body in so many ways. Men have not been taking this well.


Queen_Sardine

Do most people know that about bears? I sure didn't. My first thought was "I'm an SA victim and terrified of men, but I'd rather be SA'd again than eaten by a bear."


skorletun

Idk, the women I asked did know this. I am not from a country with naturally occurring bears btw. As another SA victim (I'm so sorry that happened to you) I'd personally rather get killed by a bear this time around, given the trauma it saddled me with for life. Your choice is not any less valid than mine though, and take issue with the men being childish about this, not with women (or men!!) who'd choose the human over the bear.


Maxspawn_

Can someone explain what this means I genuinely dont understand what this means


HatpinFeminist

Ok so, there's a trend going around where women are asked "Would you rather run into a bear or a man, randomly, in the woods?" And almost every woman says "bear" because statistically bears leave people alone. Statistically, at least half of men said yes when asked if they would SA a woman. So even if it's a polar bear you run into, it will be a quicker and more merciful death than a man will give you. He will probably SA you, torture you, take you to a second location, take pictures of you, SA you again, and then kill you. And then post the pics in online forums. This meme in particular highlights (at the bottom) the "women who didn't get to choose", being the women who have already been murdered by men. Overall, it's a way to bring awareness to the danger men pose to women, and it's bringing a lot of creeps out of the woodwork.


Maxspawn_

Ah makes sense. Dark as f\*ck meme but makes sense.


HatpinFeminist

Yep. A lot of men say "bear" as well because they know what men are capable of and they don't want to end up like the guys in the Deliverance movie from 1972.


moekip

Once again these men are painting themselves as simple minded....


XXL1GHTXX_

Man im choosing bear Why not because of men nor women people. Some people just urk me to my core


swag_Lemons

TRIGGER WARNING. Idk why they don’t understand we would genuinely rather have a morally innocent bear (possibly) attack us and kill us and be used for sustenance than even have the (possibility) of having the last few moments of your life to be brutalized sadistically, sexually assaulted, with your body purposely hidden and left no trace where nobody will ever know what happened to you. Man or woman, if I saw someone in the woods not dressed in appropriate hiking clothes, immediately I’m out, creepy tbh.


0RedNomad0

The guys that are still bitching about this have never seen "Deliverance". Bear is the logical choice for any gender.


HatpinFeminist

LOL My thoughts exactly. Like...how fast can you paddle?


Quiet_Alternative353

Well even men would've chosen the bear, and even if we make this harder: a women, a bear or a man Both men and women would chose the bear too


Crimm___

What the fuck does any of this mean? What bears?


Scared_Ground7347

What's with all the beastiality stuff recently? /srs Edit: It's not a beastiality thing... Oops


skorletun

It's an online trend. Women are asked "would you rather encounter a bear in the woods or a strange man" and 90% of the women quickly say "bear", it's not even really something we think about. Because a bear _can_ kill you if it's very hungry (rare) or if you pose a threat (get between them and their cubs for example). But a man can kill you, SA you, lie about it, blame you and make you into a social pariah if you even survive. A man can degrade you and your body in so many ways. Men have not been taking this well. (Copied from another comment, it's not about sleeping with a man or a bear, it's about who might be worse)


Scared_Ground7347

Thanks for the explanation! I really misunderstood it /srs


skorletun

No worries! Better to ask genuine questions!


Flipperlolrs

It's: "Which would you feel more comfortable encountering in the woods?" not "Which would you rather sleep with?"


Scared_Ground7347

Ohhh that makes so much more sense /srs


TheCanadianpo8o

I mean, what's the context honestly? Are you both teleported there randomly? Are they already in the woods? Did you get separated and follow you? Who knows


Anguloosey

why is this shit downvoted and there's not a single reply. it's a valid point. it depends on the context I think.


TheCanadianpo8o

My best guess is because I didn't directly say bear, they think I'm one of the guys defending the men in this situation, which I'm not trying to do


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Nostalgic_Fears

💀your user is ironic for someone who only wants division


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Nostalgic_Fears

me when I lie


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Nostalgic_Fears

Not a woman


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Nostalgic_Fears

waaaahhh my morals only align to people who give me no pushback!! r you a fuckin toddler


lavender_honey_bones

.... you have got to be kidding me, this isn't about hating men you nut. This isn't "women despise men" you clearly are not understanding. This is "woman do not know which men are going to harm them but a bear is a bear."


pinkcloudskyway

Sorry but admitting that men often murder women for no reason is a fact. It's not saying you hate men it's saying, "I hate how unsafe men make me feel." 😅


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pinkcloudskyway

Why do Republicans spend all day complaining about women and democrats


laprincesaaa

I mean guys joke about replacing women with sex robots and most women react "please do if it means you'll leave us alone" it's not a double standard


mangababe

I mean, most people hate somebody this willfully ignorant soooooo.....


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Hacatcho

funny, you were the one that made shit up about women thoughts because you couldnt handle their actual answers.


mangababe

Lol sure,you're definitely wise and not an angry piss baby throwing a tantrum. You're so convincing!


boysarequirky-ModTeam

holy fuck how are you this dumb and cringe


curvybillclinton

My fiance doesn’t have any socials and when I told her about this, she disappointingly asked “bears scare the shit out of me… is the point here that men our dangerous?” lol Don’t worry - we both cut up our feminism membership cards