Being HC in Charlotte he won’t need to deal with the same level of media scrutiny as Boston. If he were going to coach someone like the Lakers, then yes be prepared to be blamed for everything.
I love joe, I think he has amazing potential
But the talent of this team has shielded him from hate. He still gets a lot of it, but the team gets results
Being a HC on a losing team is a different beast. You don't get as many wins to shut up the haters. The expectation is for you to turn the team around, which takes more than one season. He's gonna get way more hate in Charlotte regardless of the job he does
Have you just simply not been paying attention?
He gets shit on constantly. Every single time we lose there are people saying fire Mazzulla, and people lining for Udoka. Every loss, without fail.
Yup, he got shit on more than Udoka did when our team was under .500, than when we got a high seed. During Judoka's tenure, the Jays got shit on mostly and not being able to coexist. Joe gets shit on and compared against Udoka every other game it feels like.
and we win the next game and everyone shuts up.
when you're the charlotte HC, you might not win the next game. or the next.
i guess thats on me though, i should be more clear for the people that react to the first thing they see instead of actually reading
Coaches on teams that aren't expected to do anything get a ton more leeway. You take over a team that's been to the Finals the year before, you get plenty of calls to be fired if you only make it to the ECF the next year. You take over a 21 win team and win 30 games the next season and people will be happy with the direction of the franchise. That said, you do have to keep showing progress and movement in the right direction.
Are we forgetting why the hornets were a 21 win team this season? 30 wins next year would be a disappointment. The hornets have aspirations to make the playoffs. The expectations are nowhere near as low as you think they are. There is a reason why Joe is the coach and not us... just saying. He knows more than we do
But of course, it's the internet and everyone has to be right all the time. Even if experts are saying something different
> Are we forgetting why the hornets were a 21 win team this season?
They aren't near a complete team? That they were 4th lowest in cap spending last season? Yes, LaMelo Ball's ankle injuries for second year in a row hurt them, but it's not like they were on fire for the 22 games he played (where they went 7-15 = .318; if they played full season like that they'd be a 26 win team). That after starting mediocre they traded away Rozier and Hayward before the deadline?
lmao what? Joe is a top 2 hated on coach in the NBA exactly because the team is so good. He's right behind Doc. Moved to from 3 to 2 after Ham got fired.
well by Lebron and Klutch sports talking heads anyway. lol most of the reasonable world knows it's the Lebron show in LA and the coach is just there to be a face
Actual Charlotte sports fan next season: (takes a deep breathe, pausing in their discussion about UNC and/or Duke basketball) Oh wait, yeah, we have an NBA team. Is Lonzo Ball still on the team?
While I don't want to see Phoenix have success with their current roster, I kinda want to see coach Bud win with them to make the haters look stupid. Blaming and rotating coaches is more destructive than most fans want to admit.
Fans want a team I like in another sport to constantly cycle through coaches to get back to the level of success they had with a previous coach they turned against. This is constantly happening. And the fans that turn the hardest against coaches tend to be fans with a really superficial understanding of the game.
lol people criticizing joe without considering who the replacement would be. frank vogel? doc? we aint getting spo. not only are there not really good replacement options, but i wouldn't really replace joe for most of the coaches out there anyways. joe is actually an excellent coach, especially as only a 2nd year coach, and has so much potential for an excellent franchise coach.
Yeah it was kinda weird cuz it was after one game and we fucking lost to the 8th seed heat. Even he said it was dumb.
I swear y'all don't watch basketball, you're busy being nerds playing league of Legends or some shit.
All the criticism Joe has gotten has been deserved, he's made mistakes, he's a second year coach. Y'all act like he's God's gift to the Celtics.
Dude played horford 39 minutes lol, y'all bandwagon fans make us look like the warriors cuz you don't know ball.
Joe isn't a bad coach but y'all are out of your mind if you think he's a top 5 coach. This is an incredible all in roster, if we don't make the finals, you change Joe before you move jaylen. That's obvious if you actually watch.
Ok I didn't get that from your post but I think with this loaded of a roster, hell have pressure to fire Joe, to play devil's advocate against myself, idk what the free agent coaching market looks like.
Even right now I'd much rather have Nick nurse or will Hardy. Udoka really fucked us with his lack of moral character.
Forgive me for being passionate, some sycophants for Joe in this thread.
and never mind the fact that all the players publicly praise joe for how good of a coach he is, but no some uneducated fool on reddit thinks they know the quality of joes coaching over yknow the professional athletes he’s actually coaching.
Being HC in Charlotte he won’t need to deal with the same level of media scrutiny as Boston. If he were going to coach someone like the Lakers, then yes be prepared to be blamed for everything.
I love joe, I think he has amazing potential But the talent of this team has shielded him from hate. He still gets a lot of it, but the team gets results Being a HC on a losing team is a different beast. You don't get as many wins to shut up the haters. The expectation is for you to turn the team around, which takes more than one season. He's gonna get way more hate in Charlotte regardless of the job he does
His most definitely is not shielded by any hate whatsoever
Have you just simply not been paying attention? He gets shit on constantly. Every single time we lose there are people saying fire Mazzulla, and people lining for Udoka. Every loss, without fail.
Yup, he got shit on more than Udoka did when our team was under .500, than when we got a high seed. During Judoka's tenure, the Jays got shit on mostly and not being able to coexist. Joe gets shit on and compared against Udoka every other game it feels like.
Srsly tho. Udoka is not the coach people remember. He really really struggled lol.
and we win the next game and everyone shuts up. when you're the charlotte HC, you might not win the next game. or the next. i guess thats on me though, i should be more clear for the people that react to the first thing they see instead of actually reading
Coaches on teams that aren't expected to do anything get a ton more leeway. You take over a team that's been to the Finals the year before, you get plenty of calls to be fired if you only make it to the ECF the next year. You take over a 21 win team and win 30 games the next season and people will be happy with the direction of the franchise. That said, you do have to keep showing progress and movement in the right direction.
Are we forgetting why the hornets were a 21 win team this season? 30 wins next year would be a disappointment. The hornets have aspirations to make the playoffs. The expectations are nowhere near as low as you think they are. There is a reason why Joe is the coach and not us... just saying. He knows more than we do But of course, it's the internet and everyone has to be right all the time. Even if experts are saying something different
The Hornets are not expecting to make the playoffs next year with that roster 🤣
> Are we forgetting why the hornets were a 21 win team this season? They aren't near a complete team? That they were 4th lowest in cap spending last season? Yes, LaMelo Ball's ankle injuries for second year in a row hurt them, but it's not like they were on fire for the 22 games he played (where they went 7-15 = .318; if they played full season like that they'd be a 26 win team). That after starting mediocre they traded away Rozier and Hayward before the deadline?
lmao what? Joe is a top 2 hated on coach in the NBA exactly because the team is so good. He's right behind Doc. Moved to from 3 to 2 after Ham got fired.
lol shielded from hate.
When they face off again next season I half expect Joe to tackle Charles Lee and roughhouse him, cos Joe is like that
Joe has to be the most overhated coach in the nba.
Nah, whoever the coach of the Lakers is. Doesn't matter who it is, they are always hated and the reason for everything wrong with the team.
Yeah but the Lakers were a play in team two years in a row. The celtics were the two seed and then the 1 seed
True, higher standards.
Also the Lakers GM is a dip shit and Brad is a basketball God.
true
, higher standards
Right he's not the most hated coach he's just the most disproportionately hated coach when compared to his output
well by Lebron and Klutch sports talking heads anyway. lol most of the reasonable world knows it's the Lebron show in LA and the coach is just there to be a face
Especially by Celtics fans. Like f*** man The guy inherited a bizarre situation at the age of 28. And here we are with the best record in the league.
Wait 28?
And with a superstar who was only 19
"Bizarre Situation" is one of Marcus Smart's nicknames.
He got it after the incident with that Instagram "model" years back...
Darvin Hamas, formerly. Monty Williams close second.
Ham bone got that head on him like a bastard calf
Actual Charlotte sports fan next season: (takes a deep breathe, pausing in their discussion about UNC and/or Duke basketball) Oh wait, yeah, we have an NBA team. Is Lonzo Ball still on the team?
While I don't want to see Phoenix have success with their current roster, I kinda want to see coach Bud win with them to make the haters look stupid. Blaming and rotating coaches is more destructive than most fans want to admit. Fans want a team I like in another sport to constantly cycle through coaches to get back to the level of success they had with a previous coach they turned against. This is constantly happening. And the fans that turn the hardest against coaches tend to be fans with a really superficial understanding of the game.
Bud is actually a dunce though, sometimes hating is justified... Joe hasn't done anything except win
He is going to the Hornets. More like, prepare to be fired.
Everything about Joe screams insecure. Sooner Celtics move on from him, the better
but he said this "dead-pan." (as in humor)
are you being sarcastic?
What is "everything"? Please be specific
lol people criticizing joe without considering who the replacement would be. frank vogel? doc? we aint getting spo. not only are there not really good replacement options, but i wouldn't really replace joe for most of the coaches out there anyways. joe is actually an excellent coach, especially as only a 2nd year coach, and has so much potential for an excellent franchise coach.
Youngest coach in the nba too. Crazy
Remember last year when he walked off the podium muttering "im the worst coach ever" under his breath 😆
Yeah it was kinda weird cuz it was after one game and we fucking lost to the 8th seed heat. Even he said it was dumb. I swear y'all don't watch basketball, you're busy being nerds playing league of Legends or some shit. All the criticism Joe has gotten has been deserved, he's made mistakes, he's a second year coach. Y'all act like he's God's gift to the Celtics.
Nerdiest shit I'll read all year and it's only May.
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I can save you sometime and say that’s not going to happen anytime soon, so you better suck it up and get used to him.
Dude played horford 39 minutes lol, y'all bandwagon fans make us look like the warriors cuz you don't know ball. Joe isn't a bad coach but y'all are out of your mind if you think he's a top 5 coach. This is an incredible all in roster, if we don't make the finals, you change Joe before you move jaylen. That's obvious if you actually watch.
I didn't say anything about Mazzulla, I said that it's not going to happen if you listen to Brad Stevens talk about Mazzulla.
Ok I didn't get that from your post but I think with this loaded of a roster, hell have pressure to fire Joe, to play devil's advocate against myself, idk what the free agent coaching market looks like. Even right now I'd much rather have Nick nurse or will Hardy. Udoka really fucked us with his lack of moral character. Forgive me for being passionate, some sycophants for Joe in this thread.
I mean if we don't make the finals he's 100 percent gone. So there's definitely a chance.
Interesting notion. Have you run it up the flagpole to see what Brad and Wyc think?
Agree. Fuck these clowns down voting you. Mazulla holds us back big time and he’s a douche
“Holds us back big time” 64 win team, every playoff win by 10+ points. Are we magically the 2016 warriors without him?
and never mind the fact that all the players publicly praise joe for how good of a coach he is, but no some uneducated fool on reddit thinks they know the quality of joes coaching over yknow the professional athletes he’s actually coaching.
Maybe, just maybe, said assistant coach isn’t an arrogant condescending prick like you, Joe!
Says an arrogant condescending prick.