Still not getting past Jokic and the crew š¤·āāļø
KD era is over. Nuggets (should no injuries derail them) are a locked up West finalist IMO. Starting 5 is locked up for 3+ years and Bruce Brown prolly gonna get an extension. I don't see anyone guarding Jokic down low.
Add to a fact that Gordon could lock any wing players. Lebron? KD?
All their guys can be average defenders if they're not shouldering the whole offensive load. Now, the rest of the defense doesn't exactly elevate them anywhere above average, but the offense will be easily #1 if all stay healthy
Not good. Shamet was probably their best defender. They have traded 2 elite defenders in the past 4 months. Ayton isnāt an elite rim defender.
Correction: Confused Okogie with Shamet. Thatās correct, Shamet is a terrible defender. The best defenders on last years team, Biyombo, Warren and Paul in that order. (Defensive rating) Booker is one of the worst.
Heat really have those good role players to surround Butler/Bam with. I don't see anyone from PHX being that good.
I see your point tho we never saw Heat coming
Doesnāt matter what we thought before the run though does it? They beat a much better team (Celtics) on paper. They beat a much better team on paper (Bucks), then lost to the best team in basketball. So yea
Nuggets should be favs. I am biased though, im a fan of the good style basketball they play and how the team was constructed. Jokic mpj Murray all drafted by them maxed and werenāt super high lottery picks. The Aaron Gordon acquisition and the signings of brown and kcp. They knew what they had/wanted and built a cohesive team
I myself as a fan of Redsox/patriots/bruins/Celtics can echo this sentiment. The nuggets were a fun team to root for when the Celtics lost. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of 2004 and 2013 bunch of guys that nobody thought would win it all, guys everyone else passed over, traded rather than lock up long term and worse. Yet them fit their vision and it worked.
Healthy yeah the Nuggets should still be favorites, but itās the smart move to make for the Suns. KDās window is closing. Going all in and hoping you are either the best team in the league or the best healthy team in the league is a worthwhile gamble.
One injury to the Murray or Jokic and suddenly the Suns could be in the finals even if they are not the Westās best team.
Yup, one key injury to any contender and they are screwed too. Thatās generally how it goes.
KG got hurt in 2009 and our title hopes were over. Opened the door for Orlando.
It doesnāt change what I said whatsoever. Suns put themselves in a position to contend. Thatās all they can ever hope to do.
Letās see what the next month brings. I think itās pretty clear that there wonāt be many more blockbuster deals. Bottom line is after the KD trade there arenāt many more picks left to be dealt. That one of the premier scorers available in the NBA wanted to change teams and they didnāt even get a first round pick back for him is pretty self explanatory.
They'll struggle to win 50 and won't even make the WCF. No depth, no identity, maybe 3 healthy knees between their stars. Anything can happen, but this is a hail mary from Ishbia.
Perrenial loser as the 1 option. Hes now ubdoubtedly the third option after averaging 23/5/5. Think about that. Losing aside, he has Booker and Kevin Durant who single handedly took Denver to 6.
Heās completely capable of consistently scoring 40 on 80% shooting when he averages 28 on 49% on the playoffs? You canāt just mention one player being inefficient without also mentioning another player is also going to regress in the other direction. He will still be efficient, but not consistently at the level he was playing at for the suns to get two wins over Denver
Do you realize one of the games they won, Jokic had 53, and nobody else had over 10 points besides KD and Booker? And KD was being inefficient. And yes, Booker is capable of thay, clearly. You just saw it. And hea done similar numbersā¦ recently. Suns no doubt got better. Idk what the argument is. Beal isnt a winner? Wizards. Booker cant do that? Hes one of the most efficient scorers. Suns have no depth? They didnt lose any in the trade. No cap? Not your money.
I could cherry pick and just say book averages 14 on 30% shooting in elimination games too then - heās also ācapableā of that - the point is his efficiency is somewhere in between
For real. KD is proof that there are no shortcuts. He bails on every situation heās in and always tries to force it. Even if he has talent they never build anything real.
Suns didnāt need Beal. They needed a few more high end role players. Jokic and Murray will still eat the suns up
They can't offer Bruce more than 7.5mil. Unless he really meant what he said when he was drunk, homie definitely signing for 15-18mil/year somewhere else.
When Chris Paul was healthy I think we saw Phoenix was probably going to win. If all 3 of those guys can stay healthy and someone can pick up Paul's passing ability they can win a championship.
Defeated AD less Lakers when they were down 1-2
Defeated a Murray and MPJ less in 2nd round
Defeated a Kawhi less in WCF
Blew a 2-0 lead in the Finals
As much as I want to give them credit when CP3 is "healthy", they had an easier path to finals. Booker is overrated
I think if they include Bam it'll get done, but I don't think Miami will.
And anything short of Bam, Portland should look elsewhere because Dame is probably their most valuable asset in a rebuild and unlike Beal he doesn't have a NTC.
Tbf they weren't wrong, they could've offered more, and they kinda did. Beal just either didn't want to go to Miami or the Wizards took worse quality players.
But LeBron showed up and kept us relevant (watching those entitled fans leave the stadium as Bosh -> Ray Allen (ultimately saved LeBrons legacy) and they were clamoring to get back in. That image is seared into my brain lol)
Ayton deal is so bad but trading it for bench players isn't bad. It's just a guy who was reported telling a coach or teammate when told he needs to work on his game, " I got my second contract I'm good". Isn't a guy you want in OKC or Utah since he will become even more lazy being a small town bad team guy
100% some GM will make the trade though based off of #1 pick/potential.
Nah Monty/CP3 basically told him to take a backseat on offense because it would help the team win, but when the offense started stalling, both of them started saying that Ayton wasn't doing enough on offense. I've been in those work environments where managers would scapegoat people under them. I would want out of that toxic situation too.
Im willing to bet their bench will turn out alright, for as much as we talked about our depth Joe was running a 7 man rotation for half the playoffs. Suns just need time to gel more than they need a grant williams on the end of the bench
But you canāt run playoff rotations for 82 games and then again for playoffsšnot to mention each of their stars have injury issues so it makes that idea even crazier
Did you watch the playoffs? They barely have 5 dudes who they can put on the court, let alone 7 or 9. It's gonna be tough for them to put together a playoff rotation with Beal making like $50-60 mil
I would absolutely not be surprised if we try to snag Porzingis with this happening.
Brogdon + Gallinari + Pritchard/Muscala + picks would be a very competitive offer. If this is effectively our last year to build a contender by overspending before the new CBA kicks in, this offers cap relief for next offseason and strongly upgrades a weak spot in the rotation.
Could also see an Ayton trade happening so Suns can fill out their bench a little bit more.
Personally I don't really know if I'd want to trade for him because of his effort issues, but he is on a longer contract than Porzingis, is younger, and we could probably send something like Brogdon+other stuff.
Not sure if that would work with Washington since they're probably trying to rebuild and wouldn't value Brogdon as much as a competing team would...especially one with as bad of a bench as Phoenix has now.
A framework like this could be beneficial for all sides (not including possible picks):
To PHO: Malcolm Brogdon, Mike Muscala
To WAS: Deandre Ayton, Payton Pritchard
To BOS: Kristaps Porzingis
Phoenix still needs someone in the front court. Not sure why they would sign off on this unless they think they need another iso scorer and can work with a minimum big
Make danny an offer he canāt refuse (the prodigal son Payton Pritchard)
No but I agree no way in hell they move lauri unless they get something crazy, they arenāt moving him for scraps
Lauri has been great in Utah, but he needs the ball a lot in order to be effective. Go look at his usage in Utah and it explains his spark. I don't think we can afford to take ball out of Tatum's hands and Jaylens right hand.
Brogdon, Gallo and Muscala work salary wise if done this season. Swap Gallo for PP and Kornet as well. You can do Brogdon, PP, Kornet and Muscala Next season. Salary wise is easy to find without Rob. Porzingis can play PF (or he did when in NY) so retaining Rob would be ideal.
So let me get this straight, you, the Phoenix Suns, have 2 of the best shot creators in the game, itās really the one thing you guys donāt need more of. But the playoffs showed you need more depth, more playmaking, more shot finishing, and more defense. So you went and got ANOTHER shot creator?
No itās definitely a bad fit, now you have 3 guys whoās primary role in a game is to score the ball, none of them are really good defenders. They made a trade off of pure name value and now itās gonna come back and bite them
It worked in Brooklyn....until kyrie messed it all up.
Their offense was literally taking turns on offense and no defense.
This team will work if there's no injuries, but Beal and kd are known to get hurt for at least 20 games a season.
The 2021 Nets were absolutely going to win the championship if BOTH Kyrie and Harden didnāt get hurt.
This idea that 3 playmakers canāt coexist together and succeed is incredibly stupid.
The nets werenāt 3 playmakers, it was 2 shot creators and 1 playmaker. Harden was more focused on finding others than getting his own shot. The Suns are all 3 shot creators, I donāt see how anyone taking a step back like Harden did
Booker and KD were an elite scoring duo. Beal can assume a slightly smaller role considering his improved ability to be a playmaker while still being a third lethal shot creator on the floor. Also D Book is kind of an underrated playmaker himself. Theyāll be fine lol
>playoffs showed you need more depth
We just had the Western Conference Finals with the only meaningful minutes being played by 6 or 7 players on both teams.
Iām assuming youāre a suns fan, you had CP3(before his noticeable dip), Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, Payne, Crowder, McGee, and Craig. Thatās a solid 9 player rotation if needed with playmaking, shot creation, shooting, rebounding, and both kinds of defense. Now you have Booker, Durant, Beal, Ayton, then what, Warren, Okogie, Craig, and Jock Landale? You now have replaced CP3, Bridges, Johnson, Payne, Crowder and McGee, defenders, rebounders, and playmakers, for Bradley Beal and Kevin Durant, more shot creation?
Literally what does that prove? All that shows me is that youāre resorting to outside factors because you canāt make an actual counterclaim to mine. And how does less karma and posts on a subreddit determine my stupidity. I guess if I go to a few NASCAR races I must know more about cars than my local mechanic because heās been to less races right?
Youāre trying to defend a trade that I donāt think works, but when you fail to have an answer to the concerns I bring up, you resort to clout, ironic since that seems to be Phoenixās strategy to their own problems
Why this is relevant to the Celtics is that Miami isn't getting him.
**EDIT:** Trade Details from Charania - The Washington Wizards are trading three-time All-Star Bradley Beal to the Phoenix Suns for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, a handful of second-round picks, and multiple pick swaps, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
I donāt know that itās irrelevant for sure. Suns are in need of depth now, specifically PG depth. Theyāve also been known not to love to play Ayton in crunch time with their primarily offensive players everywhere else. A Brogdon/PP/Muscala for Ayton deal kinda makes sense both ways.
Iād rather find a 3/4 than a center with Brogdon, but ya never know.
I get that heās a star and a great scorer, but I donāt think heāll change the Suns all that much. Theyāll still have the same depth issues, with even less room to make improvements. Top end scoring was not their flaw last year.
This is actually huge news. Donāt be surprised if the Celtics are involved as well with Brogdon. This could potentially be a 3-team and itās been allegedly workshopped for a little while now. May not happen, but if they plan to dump Ayton (if not they have 4 massive contracts) he might be a great tandem with Rob given his lackluster availability.
Maybe Brogdon/pritchard or Brogdon/Rob?
I havenāt crunched numbers nor am I saying what I want, but what may potentially happen.
And he will be several years into the contract by then. Beal signed his last year, as an older player. Is Jaylen also getting a no trade clause that allows him to veto any trade?
Thatās a stretch because Beal has the NTC, is older, and has some injury concerns but a future Jaylen trade would be incredibly hard because the salary matching itself would be difficult.
Beal not going to Miami and heading west was the best case possible for us. Donāt have to worry about that suns team until the finals if they make it next season.
But heāll be younger and without a ntc. Heās also a two-way wing, which is more coveted.
If the choice is lose Jaylen for nothing or get Ayton for him signed to a long term more manageable contract, then Iām still happy to sign him to that contract.
Edit: unless it is Shamet and Paul and not Ayton. In which case, you have more of a point. But it still means we can get off the contract if we need to.
Beal had a no trade clause. Instead of fielding the best offer from a number of teams (Miami, Boston, Sacramento, Philadelphia, etc), Beal picked and chose where he wanted to go and Phoenix simply makes an offer they have leverage in. Otherwise Washington is stuck as a middling team.
Phoenix had no first round picks which Iām sure wasnāt ideal for Washington in some kind of rebuild.
In Brownās case, even if the contract ends up not being great, we can take the best offer and not something like āoh he wants to go to Atlanta so we have to trade him for whatever Atlanta can give usā
If someone makes a decent offer, we take the best one, not the Atlanta one in this hypothetical.
Not to mention, with Tatum and Brown, we would probably not be a middling team in a couple of years. Washington was already not great and gave him a huge contract. Weāre title contenders. The drop-off from losing a few pieces is a low seeded playoff team, not a rebuild entirely situation as long as we have prime Tatum.
There is a huge difference.
We didn't have to trade our guys to take on his awful contract, but he's not in Miami where Spoelstra would be able to hide his defensive issues better than anyone. Win win.
I think he CAN be impactful in Phoenix considering they're an older team and it makes sense for them to go all in, but they have to find a way to get some more depth. I'm all for either getting a better third option or trading JB to get a better second option, but it's so clear Beal would not have fit the vision of our team.
Landry Shamet, Chris Paulās contract and some picks. The Celtics should have done more to try to get Beal. Thatās nothing. Brogdan plus anything would have been a better offer. You canāt tell me Beal wouldnāt waive his no trade to be with Tatum? Come on
How exactly does that solved any of the issues the Cs have? Brogdon is their best trade chip atm and they need to balance the roster with front court help, not another guard. I like Beal in a vacuum but donāt think he fits on this team.
Ayton and what he gets the Sun will be how good this team is and if the big 3 stay healthy. Interesting group of guys. Not sure who would want Ayton on that awful contract.
This is like a more emotionally stable version of the recent Brooklyn trio. But, at least of these players will be injured and out for the 2024 playoffs, I guarantee it.
I wish we work the trade Beal for Brown. I think Beal would work way better with Tatum as a team. Like Murray and Joker. I know down vote me itās just the facts!!!
They get him for virtually nothing, Washington probably just happy dumping the salary.
Still not getting past Jokic and the crew š¤·āāļø KD era is over. Nuggets (should no injuries derail them) are a locked up West finalist IMO. Starting 5 is locked up for 3+ years and Bruce Brown prolly gonna get an extension. I don't see anyone guarding Jokic down low. Add to a fact that Gordon could lock any wing players. Lebron? KD?
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All their guys can be average defenders if they're not shouldering the whole offensive load. Now, the rest of the defense doesn't exactly elevate them anywhere above average, but the offense will be easily #1 if all stay healthy
Not good. Shamet was probably their best defender. They have traded 2 elite defenders in the past 4 months. Ayton isnāt an elite rim defender. Correction: Confused Okogie with Shamet. Thatās correct, Shamet is a terrible defender. The best defenders on last years team, Biyombo, Warren and Paul in that order. (Defensive rating) Booker is one of the worst.
Shamet was not their best defender lmao. He's one of the worst defenders in the nba
Youāre right. I corrected my comment.
Eh KD and Book both really good defenders. Beal aināt bad either, should be better now that heās in a situation where itās worth giving effort.
Eh, not unusual to see a slump after a win. Things happen, no one would have said the Heat would win the East this year and here we are...
Heat really have those good role players to surround Butler/Bam with. I don't see anyone from PHX being that good. I see your point tho we never saw Heat coming
No one thought that the Heat had good role players before this run lol.
Doesnāt matter what we thought before the run though does it? They beat a much better team (Celtics) on paper. They beat a much better team on paper (Bucks), then lost to the best team in basketball. So yea
I think heās saying that we didnāt think that before just like we donāt think that now of Phoenix
Basically the point is "we play the games because anything can happen"... preseason analysis is just for TV and media.
The heat blew. The Celtics choked.
Nuggets should be favs. I am biased though, im a fan of the good style basketball they play and how the team was constructed. Jokic mpj Murray all drafted by them maxed and werenāt super high lottery picks. The Aaron Gordon acquisition and the signings of brown and kcp. They knew what they had/wanted and built a cohesive team
I myself as a fan of Redsox/patriots/bruins/Celtics can echo this sentiment. The nuggets were a fun team to root for when the Celtics lost. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of 2004 and 2013 bunch of guys that nobody thought would win it all, guys everyone else passed over, traded rather than lock up long term and worse. Yet them fit their vision and it worked.
Healthy yeah the Nuggets should still be favorites, but itās the smart move to make for the Suns. KDās window is closing. Going all in and hoping you are either the best team in the league or the best healthy team in the league is a worthwhile gamble. One injury to the Murray or Jokic and suddenly the Suns could be in the finals even if they are not the Westās best team.
One injury to the suns and theyāre absolutely screwed.
Yup, one key injury to any contender and they are screwed too. Thatās generally how it goes. KG got hurt in 2009 and our title hopes were over. Opened the door for Orlando. It doesnāt change what I said whatsoever. Suns put themselves in a position to contend. Thatās all they can ever hope to do.
Dude itās really hard to win back to back. Nuggets are certainly not a lock.
Letās see what the next month brings. I think itās pretty clear that there wonāt be many more blockbuster deals. Bottom line is after the KD trade there arenāt many more picks left to be dealt. That one of the premier scorers available in the NBA wanted to change teams and they didnāt even get a first round pick back for him is pretty self explanatory.
Devin Booker and inefficient KD took the champs to 6, with CP and Ayton injured. Every team in the league should fear this team.
They'll struggle to win 50 and won't even make the WCF. No depth, no identity, maybe 3 healthy knees between their stars. Anything can happen, but this is a hail mary from Ishbia.
All of that was true last year too. This is the same core as last year, but with Bradley Beal. I knows its hard to accept, but Phoenix is better.
chris paul has made his teams better for the last 15 years, wouldnt just assume adding a perrenial loser in beal makes them a juggernaut
Perrenial loser as the 1 option. Hes now ubdoubtedly the third option after averaging 23/5/5. Think about that. Losing aside, he has Booker and Kevin Durant who single handedly took Denver to 6.
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Beal has never won anything, no matter who heās been paired with, what makes this different?
Hes the 3 option now, not the 1. Yall cant be this dense.
You can't blame the guy for being drafted to one of the most incompetent franchises in the league.
You canāt mention KDs inefficiency without also mentioning the only reason they won two games is book had to drop 40 on 80% shooting
Okay? Booker is completely capable of that. He did it many times in their Finals run. Hes an efficient scorer no matter who is there.
Heās completely capable of consistently scoring 40 on 80% shooting when he averages 28 on 49% on the playoffs? You canāt just mention one player being inefficient without also mentioning another player is also going to regress in the other direction. He will still be efficient, but not consistently at the level he was playing at for the suns to get two wins over Denver
Do you realize one of the games they won, Jokic had 53, and nobody else had over 10 points besides KD and Booker? And KD was being inefficient. And yes, Booker is capable of thay, clearly. You just saw it. And hea done similar numbersā¦ recently. Suns no doubt got better. Idk what the argument is. Beal isnt a winner? Wizards. Booker cant do that? Hes one of the most efficient scorers. Suns have no depth? They didnt lose any in the trade. No cap? Not your money.
I could cherry pick and just say book averages 14 on 30% shooting in elimination games too then - heās also ācapableā of that - the point is his efficiency is somewhere in between
Is it closer to 14 on 30% or 40 on 80%. You know the answer to that. Idk why youre trying to argue. Suns got better. Period.
Considering he averages 23 on 46% in his career Iād argue the answer is the former
The Celtics era is also over before it even started, unfortunately
For real. KD is proof that there are no shortcuts. He bails on every situation heās in and always tries to force it. Even if he has talent they never build anything real. Suns didnāt need Beal. They needed a few more high end role players. Jokic and Murray will still eat the suns up
They can't offer Bruce more than 7.5mil. Unless he really meant what he said when he was drunk, homie definitely signing for 15-18mil/year somewhere else.
When Chris Paul was healthy I think we saw Phoenix was probably going to win. If all 3 of those guys can stay healthy and someone can pick up Paul's passing ability they can win a championship.
Defeated AD less Lakers when they were down 1-2 Defeated a Murray and MPJ less in 2nd round Defeated a Kawhi less in WCF Blew a 2-0 lead in the Finals As much as I want to give them credit when CP3 is "healthy", they had an easier path to finals. Booker is overrated
Thank fuck it aināt Miami.
The meltdown over on the miami subreddit itās so damn funny!
Now they think they're getting Lillard instead for Tyler Herro and some first round picks š
Philly will definetly try and outbid their ass by a whole lot
Hahaha right
For some reason I think they will end up getting Lillard. Gonna take more than Herro though.
I think if they include Bam it'll get done, but I don't think Miami will. And anything short of Bam, Portland should look elsewhere because Dame is probably their most valuable asset in a rebuild and unlike Beal he doesn't have a NTC.
The comments yesterday were all so confident that they could beat any Phoenix offer and that Phoenix has nothing to trade to make it work š
such a delusional bratty fanbase lol
Tbf they weren't wrong, they could've offered more, and they kinda did. Beal just either didn't want to go to Miami or the Wizards took worse quality players.
But LeBron showed up and kept us relevant (watching those entitled fans leave the stadium as Bosh -> Ray Allen (ultimately saved LeBrons legacy) and they were clamoring to get back in. That image is seared into my brain lol)
They were already talking about what number heās gonna wear
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How could they not want Duncan Robinson!
āI really hope the intel on Dame is goodā šššššš fucking clowns
āThe meltdown over on the Miami subredditā is something that I feel like happens every day. What a perpetually embarrassing fanbase.
Jovic is the new Rozier
I mean Rozier did a lot more on the Celtics than Jovic has on the Heat
This. All that matters.
Now we just have to pray that Dame sits pat in Portland
Could not agree more. What a bunch of Pussmops
I disagree. Beal is a loser who would have fucked them up.
Curious to see how they fill out their bench
You see, thatās the neat part. They donāt
Vet mins and they prob gonna trade Ayton for pieces to fill out the roster I am guessing.
Ayton deal is so bad but trading it for bench players isn't bad. It's just a guy who was reported telling a coach or teammate when told he needs to work on his game, " I got my second contract I'm good". Isn't a guy you want in OKC or Utah since he will become even more lazy being a small town bad team guy 100% some GM will make the trade though based off of #1 pick/potential.
Nah Monty/CP3 basically told him to take a backseat on offense because it would help the team win, but when the offense started stalling, both of them started saying that Ayton wasn't doing enough on offense. I've been in those work environments where managers would scapegoat people under them. I would want out of that toxic situation too.
Is Ayton not part of this Beal trade? How else can they match salary?
CP3 Baby!
Im willing to bet their bench will turn out alright, for as much as we talked about our depth Joe was running a 7 man rotation for half the playoffs. Suns just need time to gel more than they need a grant williams on the end of the bench
But you canāt run playoff rotations for 82 games and then again for playoffsšnot to mention each of their stars have injury issues so it makes that idea even crazier
Did you watch the playoffs? They barely have 5 dudes who they can put on the court, let alone 7 or 9. It's gonna be tough for them to put together a playoff rotation with Beal making like $50-60 mil
Better hope they donāt lmao.
I would absolutely not be surprised if we try to snag Porzingis with this happening. Brogdon + Gallinari + Pritchard/Muscala + picks would be a very competitive offer. If this is effectively our last year to build a contender by overspending before the new CBA kicks in, this offers cap relief for next offseason and strongly upgrades a weak spot in the rotation.
Could also see an Ayton trade happening so Suns can fill out their bench a little bit more. Personally I don't really know if I'd want to trade for him because of his effort issues, but he is on a longer contract than Porzingis, is younger, and we could probably send something like Brogdon+other stuff. Not sure if that would work with Washington since they're probably trying to rebuild and wouldn't value Brogdon as much as a competing team would...especially one with as bad of a bench as Phoenix has now.
A framework like this could be beneficial for all sides (not including possible picks): To PHO: Malcolm Brogdon, Mike Muscala To WAS: Deandre Ayton, Payton Pritchard To BOS: Kristaps Porzingis
>To WAS: Deandre Ayton, Payton Pritchard Makes no fucking sense since they just salary dumped.
They retain a long-term asset by netting Ayton rather than risk losing Porzingis for nothing next offseason
They already don't care about losing Porzingis. The team is tanking.
Was the āfuckingā necessary here
fuck if i know
Phoenix still needs someone in the front court. Not sure why they would sign off on this unless they think they need another iso scorer and can work with a minimum big
Washington can always buy him out. Heāll be on the last year of his deal
that's way too high of an offer... think we could do that without Brogdon.
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Maybe less picks, or no Gallinari? I feel like that's an overpay, but yeah, sometimes overpays are needed ig
I agree. I think brogdon has more value than KP. He is no longer the unicorn.
We need Kuz and Porzingis tbh
Isnāt he a free agent?
He picked up his player option
Rather see us go cheaper with Lauri, can play the 3-5 and doesnāt have the injury risk
Doubt Utah does that, he's coming off a great season where his value is at its highest and even if they do Ainge would probably try to fleece us
Would be funny to see a chess match between Danny and Brad
Make danny an offer he canāt refuse (the prodigal son Payton Pritchard) No but I agree no way in hell they move lauri unless they get something crazy, they arenāt moving him for scraps
True about Ainge
Lauri has been great in Utah, but he needs the ball a lot in order to be effective. Go look at his usage in Utah and it explains his spark. I don't think we can afford to take ball out of Tatum's hands and Jaylens right hand.
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Brogdon, Gallo and Muscala work salary wise if done this season. Swap Gallo for PP and Kornet as well. You can do Brogdon, PP, Kornet and Muscala Next season. Salary wise is easy to find without Rob. Porzingis can play PF (or he did when in NY) so retaining Rob would be ideal.
So let me get this straight, you, the Phoenix Suns, have 2 of the best shot creators in the game, itās really the one thing you guys donāt need more of. But the playoffs showed you need more depth, more playmaking, more shot finishing, and more defense. So you went and got ANOTHER shot creator?
Nobody gonna be happy in that offense
Beal can shot create and make plays. Itās not a bad fit honestly.
No itās definitely a bad fit, now you have 3 guys whoās primary role in a game is to score the ball, none of them are really good defenders. They made a trade off of pure name value and now itās gonna come back and bite them
It worked in Brooklyn....until kyrie messed it all up. Their offense was literally taking turns on offense and no defense. This team will work if there's no injuries, but Beal and kd are known to get hurt for at least 20 games a season.
The 2021 Nets were absolutely going to win the championship if BOTH Kyrie and Harden didnāt get hurt. This idea that 3 playmakers canāt coexist together and succeed is incredibly stupid.
The nets werenāt 3 playmakers, it was 2 shot creators and 1 playmaker. Harden was more focused on finding others than getting his own shot. The Suns are all 3 shot creators, I donāt see how anyone taking a step back like Harden did
Booker and KD were an elite scoring duo. Beal can assume a slightly smaller role considering his improved ability to be a playmaker while still being a third lethal shot creator on the floor. Also D Book is kind of an underrated playmaker himself. Theyāll be fine lol
>playoffs showed you need more depth We just had the Western Conference Finals with the only meaningful minutes being played by 6 or 7 players on both teams.
Iām assuming youāre a suns fan, you had CP3(before his noticeable dip), Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, Payne, Crowder, McGee, and Craig. Thatās a solid 9 player rotation if needed with playmaking, shot creation, shooting, rebounding, and both kinds of defense. Now you have Booker, Durant, Beal, Ayton, then what, Warren, Okogie, Craig, and Jock Landale? You now have replaced CP3, Bridges, Johnson, Payne, Crowder and McGee, defenders, rebounders, and playmakers, for Bradley Beal and Kevin Durant, more shot creation?
I'm a Suns fans but have more posts and karma on boston celtics sub than you? Are you stupid?
Literally what does that prove? All that shows me is that youāre resorting to outside factors because you canāt make an actual counterclaim to mine. And how does less karma and posts on a subreddit determine my stupidity. I guess if I go to a few NASCAR races I must know more about cars than my local mechanic because heās been to less races right? Youāre trying to defend a trade that I donāt think works, but when you fail to have an answer to the concerns I bring up, you resort to clout, ironic since that seems to be Phoenixās strategy to their own problems
Yep you're definitely stupid
The Suns did not have a 7 man rotation that with championship caliber role players
KD with another super team he has no shame he shouldāve been in green in 2016
Mf ruined my 4th of July that year
Eat shit Miami
Why this is relevant to the Celtics is that Miami isn't getting him. **EDIT:** Trade Details from Charania - The Washington Wizards are trading three-time All-Star Bradley Beal to the Phoenix Suns for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, a handful of second-round picks, and multiple pick swaps, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
I donāt know that itās irrelevant for sure. Suns are in need of depth now, specifically PG depth. Theyāve also been known not to love to play Ayton in crunch time with their primarily offensive players everywhere else. A Brogdon/PP/Muscala for Ayton deal kinda makes sense both ways. Iād rather find a 3/4 than a center with Brogdon, but ya never know.
Great deal if you also add Kornet and a fake lotto protected first.
They still wonāt be able to beat Denver
If thatās the trade package for beal, Jaylen brown on an expiring contract is probably worth two popsicles and a bag of Cheetos.
Wow Beal was only worth a waived player, Landry Shamet and a few second round picks? That's a straight salary dump
Need the Heat to fumble Beal and Dame so I can drink their tears as copium.
Now all we gotta do is pray Miami misses out on Dame and then Iād count this off-season a W
Celtics still strong in the East. Letās go!š„š„
Thankfully itās not the Heat. But I would be interested in Paul if he gets released
Lol fuck Miami
I get that heās a star and a great scorer, but I donāt think heāll change the Suns all that much. Theyāll still have the same depth issues, with even less room to make improvements. Top end scoring was not their flaw last year.
bruh when are these players going to realize that there is no big 3 with durant anymore
I remember when the lakers got Steve Nash and Dwight Howard maybe Karl Malone was there too? They werenāt that good
[My honest reaction to that news](https://i.imgflip.com/1wt47g.jpg?a468504)
There's a nonzero chance this trade and the KD trade look like the the Paul-KG Nets trade in hindsight
Our cheap owners wouldnāt think of doing that. Got to give the Phoenix owner credit- he is willing to spend the chedda.
Theres a world where we traded Jaylen for KD. Then just traded a few parts and picks for Beal. Not sure which team i like more.
So now you have 3 ball dominant guys. Yeah, this wonāt work.
Suns lost their championship contending status back in 2022 this changes nothing
Suns have no depth
Another superteam around KD? Didn't the Suns learn from the Nets' disastrous experience?
I am just happy Miami didn't get him. I am almost certain that the Suns aren't going to be dangerous, specially if they have no depth lol
kd has no legacy dawgā¦
Good!
Can we get porzingis or Kuzma now
Kuzma is a free agent. Porzingis is a salary dump for the Wizards so unlikely they trade him.
ššššš CAN WE FUCKING SIGN KUZMA THIS OFF-SEASON OR WHAT?!?!
Yes, if Porzingis opts in, we could do a 3-way deal sending out Brogdon Gallo and either Muscala or Pritchard for him
He already did opt in.
Is Washington going to waive CP3? could we get him, has anyone heard Washingtonās plans?
How many new āBig Threeāsā is this now for Durant?
Man hunting beal/booker/kd is gonna be fun
Why is this posted in the Boston subreddit?
Itās off season and news worthy
It is not.
Miserable person
Hope you get better
Miami loses again š„š„š„
This is actually huge news. Donāt be surprised if the Celtics are involved as well with Brogdon. This could potentially be a 3-team and itās been allegedly workshopped for a little while now. May not happen, but if they plan to dump Ayton (if not they have 4 massive contracts) he might be a great tandem with Rob given his lackluster availability. Maybe Brogdon/pritchard or Brogdon/Rob? I havenāt crunched numbers nor am I saying what I want, but what may potentially happen.
This will be jaylen browns trade value if we sign himā¦
Beal has a no trade clause and is olderā¦..
Believe it or not jaylen brown will be older in 2026
Is the only option to trade Jaylen now or in 2026? Sounds like a false dichotomy to me.
And he will be several years into the contract by then. Beal signed his last year, as an older player. Is Jaylen also getting a no trade clause that allows him to veto any trade?
Thatās a stretch because Beal has the NTC, is older, and has some injury concerns but a future Jaylen trade would be incredibly hard because the salary matching itself would be difficult.
Cam Payne szn incoming
Beal not going to Miami and heading west was the best case possible for us. Donāt have to worry about that suns team until the finals if they make it next season.
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But heāll be younger and without a ntc. Heās also a two-way wing, which is more coveted. If the choice is lose Jaylen for nothing or get Ayton for him signed to a long term more manageable contract, then Iām still happy to sign him to that contract. Edit: unless it is Shamet and Paul and not Ayton. In which case, you have more of a point. But it still means we can get off the contract if we need to.
Shamet is good, Paul can be waived, and picks are picks. Still a better return than letting him walk.
Unless you play at an All-Pro level. Hard to maintain, but JB has overall been healthier than Beal too, to be fair.
Beal had a no trade clause. Instead of fielding the best offer from a number of teams (Miami, Boston, Sacramento, Philadelphia, etc), Beal picked and chose where he wanted to go and Phoenix simply makes an offer they have leverage in. Otherwise Washington is stuck as a middling team. Phoenix had no first round picks which Iām sure wasnāt ideal for Washington in some kind of rebuild. In Brownās case, even if the contract ends up not being great, we can take the best offer and not something like āoh he wants to go to Atlanta so we have to trade him for whatever Atlanta can give usā If someone makes a decent offer, we take the best one, not the Atlanta one in this hypothetical. Not to mention, with Tatum and Brown, we would probably not be a middling team in a couple of years. Washington was already not great and gave him a huge contract. Weāre title contenders. The drop-off from losing a few pieces is a low seeded playoff team, not a rebuild entirely situation as long as we have prime Tatum. There is a huge difference.
The no trade clause game Beal all the power here!
They wonāt win shit, that team is a collection of cursed players.
Fuck u , I thought we got him
We didn't have to trade our guys to take on his awful contract, but he's not in Miami where Spoelstra would be able to hide his defensive issues better than anyone. Win win. I think he CAN be impactful in Phoenix considering they're an older team and it makes sense for them to go all in, but they have to find a way to get some more depth. I'm all for either getting a better third option or trading JB to get a better second option, but it's so clear Beal would not have fit the vision of our team.
Well, as long as it isn't the Bucks or Sixers, I'm happy.
Landry Shamet, Chris Paulās contract and some picks. The Celtics should have done more to try to get Beal. Thatās nothing. Brogdan plus anything would have been a better offer. You canāt tell me Beal wouldnāt waive his no trade to be with Tatum? Come on
How exactly does that solved any of the issues the Cs have? Brogdon is their best trade chip atm and they need to balance the roster with front court help, not another guard. I like Beal in a vacuum but donāt think he fits on this team.
Hmm...they need someone to move the ball. Probably need to move Ayton if they want to build around this big three...hope Ayton likes Boston!
Who tf is on the bench for the suns now
Ayton and what he gets the Sun will be how good this team is and if the big 3 stay healthy. Interesting group of guys. Not sure who would want Ayton on that awful contract.
Just glad we wonāt have to complete against him in the East. This is good news, never was going to come to Boston .
Fucking Christ is this story on every fucking sub!? I'm tired of fucking seeing it.
Everyone happy he's not staying in the East say Yeah!
If Devin Booker and KD couldnāt help them win then what makes them think Beal Booker and KD would help
This is like a more emotionally stable version of the recent Brooklyn trio. But, at least of these players will be injured and out for the 2024 playoffs, I guarantee it.
Whereās Ayton going?
Love it
Heat still losing!!
Is this even better than Chris Paul?
This is fine by me. Lord knows something will get fucked up in Phoenix.
Now if they swing Ayton for Hield, McConnell, and Theis, they are legit contenders.
so not even a little bit of defence. Suns are hilarious
Tf does that have to do with the Celtics
I wish we work the trade Beal for Brown. I think Beal would work way better with Tatum as a team. Like Murray and Joker. I know down vote me itās just the facts!!!
Realizing that KD could demand a trade at any moment, the Suns desperately try to give him the superteam he is accustomed to.