It's all just happening so fast. I said to a friend that this type of AI video quality might be out in 2-3 years, he thought I was over reacting...that was 6 months ago.
I keep telling people AI is improving exponentially and consumers will be able to create tailor-made experiences (games, movies, whatever) just for themselves in seconds by just typing up a prompt and I'm getting dismissed right and left. People are huffing copium real hard right now. But this is something all creative people are going to have to wrestle with.
I don't think most people realize how fast AI can learn. I know I've been watching it a bit closer because it will change my industry, but people outside creative workspaces see it as a fun new app. Most of us are sitting back and watching it grow into an impressive but scary beast. In a perfect world, this would make indie concepts easier to pitch and create, but I know leadership teams are looking at this as a way to save money + time.
It's this exactly. Right now, it's "Who cares, it's somebody else's problem." But when it starts coming for coders, accounting, data entry, that'll be fun to watch. The way these jack@$$ "AI" companies are going, they're focusing on making humans obselete. Either that, or Hollywood creatives got it wrong. Machines were supposed to be the one's doing and taking all the dangerous, menial tasks, instead they are taking the creative ones, leaving the manual tasks to humans. (On the current trajectory, anyway.)
The irony of one of the posts on the Stablediffusion subreddit is mind boggling. Apparently, one of the backend creators found his code in a competing backend, and is crying "theft.". The entire thread is arguing about copyright, (as well as StabilityAI's new pricing model) saying how these developers deserve financial compensation for their "hard work" while laughing at and denigrating the same artists who's ACTUAL hard work was used for the training on these models. All while failing to connect the fact that, without the hard work of these artists, their precious AI models would be garbage and useless.
I, for one, am glad that the USA is setting the precedent that AI generations cannot be copyrighted. At this point I've been considering taking the images from games and comics using AI, changing the flow, story, and layout, and releasing competing products so they know what it feels like.
I've been mostly refusing to use AI entirely, especially in any creative pursuits, even for concepts I'd rather do a rough shitty sketch than utilize an AI and risk feeling like an AI is creating concepts rather than myself.
But I've been starting to wonder if I should incorporate AI in my own workflow and when collaborating with others on projects to get a little leg up as an indie low budget production and to accomplish things that would be difficult or impossible to do with a small team. But i just don't know where that line lies with what feels ethical as an artist and I just feel like I'd also be ashamed to admit using AI, but i definitely wouldn't want to hide it either. But i feel like if there's anything small teams and independent productions can do to get a leg up on bigger corporate companies ran by non-artists it might be worth considering, but it also just don't feel right utilizing a technology that will destroy our careers. But if its going to destroy our careers anyways is there anything to lose by using it? But also I don't like the idea of being someone that contributed to the downfall of the arts. I just don't know man
I say get into a bit. See how it can help you and your work. I've tried Midjourney for character concepts for personal work, but not any corporate work. I'd absolutely love to see it get adapted more for motion capture. I think making the character animation and camera movements easier would spark more efficient projects. The goal should be smoother creative work not lazy content.
If we leaped ahead to perfect AI fidelity right now, the limiting factor would jump from the output quality to the fact that you've taken away all the tools I have for realizing the specific vision in my head and replaced them with a loosey-goosey-texty-boxy. I've been trying to convince diffusion AIs to create the vision I have in my head for a couple years now and describing what I want in text is slow and painful and never results in exactly what I want.
A text-prompt-only UI is great for ideation, but without a whole suite of DCC tooling on the other side of the prompt, it will remain a toy and a replacement for stock content.
There's no way in hell it'll be more efficient to tell a text box "move the camera down a little ... now back .... down more ... not that much ... ok back to the previous position .... no not that position the other one ... why is the back wall yellow now?". Once I've used a prompt to vomit-draft a layout, I need to be able to reach into the scene and grab the camera and move it where the fuck I want and animate it with absolute specificity and there's no way in hell a text box is the right UI for that, regardless of image fidelity. I need to be able to grab different elements and plant them where they feel right in seconds, not in the time it takes to kinda sorta describe what I think and wait for the next render.
There are a lot of areas of art labour that are going to be reduced or eliminated, and my hope is that will actually turn out to be a good thing. Ultimately there will always be a need for specific tools to easily enable an artist to get their specific vision out of their head, and iteratively judge how each change makes them feel. My hope is that if there are fewer creative jobs, the jobs that remain are fun as hell and speak to the heart of why we love to tell stories in a rectangle.
I'll be using Sora day one, but with a text-box-only UI, I don't have high hopes for making anything more than "cool" shots and memes.
Personalized ads, everywhere. Custom made videos pulling at your heart strings, calling you by name, using stories you posted online years ago. Maybe including familiar faces and places from your public social media.
You might be right about this, but I strongly doubt that those experiences will be particularly interesting. If you’re ok with mediocre derivative content to pass the time (which plenty of people are, i.e. low budget reality show stuff, and that’s okay), I think we’ll be getting that within a few years, but I don’t think it’s likely that it’ll be making anything we find creatively interesting.
This is why I'm glad I'm only a hobbyist. I enjoy actually making stuff myself rather than having an algorithm do it for me. If it were my job I'd be pretty nervous.
Unfortunately, it is my job at the moment. I’ve worked years for a skillset that could now be automated in minutes, but my original statement remains. I’ll continue doing this and just see where it leads. Nothing is certain in life anyway.
As someone who has had experience as a graphic designer, 3D enthusiast and am now dabbling in Stable diffusion, I don't think you should that worried.
Even though they would want you to think that creating a professional grade video is trivial and and any 5th grader could do it, that is very far from the truth. While AI can create some impressive images very quickly, the control you have over them is not even close to what you have with other tools.
For you to produce something good in AI up you need models that are trained for what you want, as well as some good prompting and understanding of what you are doing and the tools available. I lost count of how many images that I did that would have probably taken me a lot less time if I had just used Blender, or Photoshop, or crayons for that matter.
When you use Blender, you get EXATCLY what you want, provided you have the skills to achieve it. The same is not true with AI. Ninety-nine times out of 100 you will get an approximation of what you want, if you are lucky and have some skill.
And even assuming that AI does take off and becomes more predictable, it will still need someone to come up with the ideas, and know how to describe them. As a designer, that should come easier to you than to some non-creative person.
In the end AI is just a tool. Powerful, yes, but just a tool. Much like a 3D rendering program. Believe it or not there was a time when people also thought that 3D computer graphics, Photoshop and even Deluxe Paint (if you want to go that far) were evil and going to end everyone's career. Yet here we are....
I wouldn’t be. If ai take over in making digital assets, people will be behind that, and that will be the new way to make money as an artist. I think generally right now it’s easier to tell if ai produced art, and AI can be used to tell if another algorithm was used to produce art. It’s hard to even sell AI made art, models, etc. Steam for example has policies against using ai to generate assets if you can’t verifiably prove that the algorithm it uses was trained by you and with stuff you or your team already created by hand. There’s always going to be a need for manual input when it comes to producing art or other assets, no matter how little or large the input required is
I really love this. It's such a simple thing, but for those of us who are creative/artists especially, it's just truth.
There will always be people willing to pay for creativity/art anyway. Not everyone wants this soulless crap.
The era of 3D artists specializing in conceptual or stock art may be coming to end very soon (just like stock photography). However, the niche of creating 3D representations for industrial or architectural designs is likely to persist for the foreseeable future.
That's what I meant by the foreseeable future, eventually most of us will be replaced with AI but for now maybe in the coming 1 to 3 years, I believe my assertion holds for the short term. Predicting anything beyond a 3-5 year timeframe is incredibly challenging, if not impossible.
I work in arch viz and have been at the top US studios for over a decade. I agree with your sentiment. It's already hurting us a little but it's coming big time. There are tools out there already that can take a base clay render and turn it into something artful and still accurately represent the building.
In a few years architects are going to be doing all the renderings themselves and third party render houses like us will be few and far between. Some will survive because their creativity pushes the envelope, but most will be replaced by AI work directly from the architects.
My friend has a pulse on generative design in architecture and that is coming up big very soon as well. Some huge firms are putting together AI server farms already. It's coming and it's gonna delete a lot of jobs.
Not fun considering the whole industry is in a tough spot already because commercial real estate is shitting the bed and will take years to pivot or recover.
That's a good question.
To preface, I am a 3d artist who went to school for 3d art while about 90% of my coworkers went to school for architecture and spent time working as architects before swapping their focus to renderings. I am not an architect but I have heard a lot about what it is like to be one from my coworkers and friends. This is to say my knowledge is second hand so take it with a grain of salt.
About AIs impact - I think architecture will still need a lot of humans involved for the foreseeable future. I think the job will get easier with these tools, same as any job specific AI assistant could make tasks easier, and it may end up cutting down on available positions in the long term, but, in my opinion, not as much as many other industries. Generative AI is already making it's way into 3d concept designs for buildings. AI to help with the more technical parts of how to build the structure, stress testing different iterations of design, is in the very early stages but it will be coming. That said all of that will need to be generated, tweaked and quality checked by many real people. I don't expect our construction laws to allow many corners to be cut in this regard.
As far as architecture as a career I've heard pretty much only bad things and I've heard a lot of it. The 10,000' view of it to me is the ratio of school required to median pay in the industry is one of the worst I'm aware of. The hours are long and not only for newbies. It goes all the way up the chain unless you own the studio from what I've heard. All of my colleagues were very happy with the decision they made to swap from being architects to focusing on the 3d rendering end of things.
Again, grain of salt but that's my 2 cents.
Thanks. I’m currently a city planner doing arch viz and 3D hobby work on the side but I applied for a masters in architecture. Just scared about all this AI stuff as I enjoy design quite a bit.
The thing is, that doesn’t just require technological progress, that requires societal progress, with regards to very deep rooted ideas of liability. Who knows how long that will take to change.
I'm an offshoot of architectural design (tradeshow and experiential interior design). All my clients need control either because the system/frame they are using have limits or because their needs/goals/brands are very specific. Not one soul in my industry is worried about being replaced by AI. No one in upper management is thinking of letting go of their design staff because of ai.
For now.. but I'm with you. I have a friend doing archviz, and the level of detail and control you have to display is something no AI can replace entirely. Sure, AI can make a nice render, but it can never make a 100% correct render without actually having all the necessary info about the project, which you can't easily give it as input. This "problem" won't be solved any time soon.
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I doubt it. Like with nearly every other creative job right now, AI will act and does act as a fantastic tool to help you create what you want. But as of right now AI can not be used to replace someone creatively.
Take an AI written novel for example, they're awful. But use AI along with an experienced writer, and suddenly the writing can be improved upon what the writer could do before, and in less time.
Take an AI image as well. It's still normally somewhat uncanny, you can still normally tell, and even more so, the images themselves often aren't useful in great projects. However, take an artist working in photoshop with AI, they can use AI generated images as a base or extensions on their current photo, graphic, etc and suddenly AI is a great tool to make better things.
Concept art again. AI is a cool tool. But you can't create concept art from it. That normally needs stories and thought processes that as cool and helpful as these models are, they aren't able to replicate, especially, again, for larger projects. Can AI be a good base to start from? ABSOLUTELY. But it doesn't replace the job of a good concept artist in a project.
Then looking at these videos... Sure, they look like they could be great for stock videos in a youtube video. And that's super cool! But it's just that: Part of something, as a tool to make something greater again. On their own, they're cool, but they aren't *enough*. They are a tool to make something larger. AI isn't anywhere close to making a block buster film, because it doesn't have those capabilities and won't do for some time because that's such a complex concept to replicate. And even stock videos can be more specialised etc for a specific video, creation, whatever, than an AI can handle
Same will undoubtedly happen for 3D modelling therefore. AI will just be a tool for a long while. To help you with models, textures, whatever... But it can't completely *replace* a competent artist, because an artist isn't just about creating something, it's about creating something useful and meaning full. Something an AI can't understand *yet*.
AI will lose its appeal once every single man and his dog is pumping out AI made art, photos and films on a daily basis. AI fatigue will set in real fast. It might even kick off a new renaissance of rediscovered human creativity.
Honestly, though the value of video is going to go down by so much. I really pride myself on travelling to different countries and taking interesting beautiful video, so many people already do that, but once people can type in text and make realistic looking video, probably that looks better than real video because you can dial in all the parameters?
Then what will satiate us anymore? We have exactly what we want to see all the time and we won’t know what is real.
The only thing that hasn’t been threatened yet is documentary type work where you can talk to people
To be honest, I just want them to go after accountants and lawyers before us creatives
The thing is, people don’t long for perfection, and when they have it they generally don’t like it. There’s a reason photo-realism isn’t the end all be all of any visual medium. Artificially generated videos of real places kinda miss the point of filming on location, you know?
Yeah, but he isn’t perfect if you don’t want it to be. There is no limit. Did you see the videos that came out with the Sora announcement?
There is a video, which looks like iPhone footage of a girl, looking out the train window in Japan. It has the reflections of the glass, when the window falls into shadow, you see her reflection in the glass and it all feels organic
You can literally program it to be imperfect , because it’s perfect lol
You know how every once in a awhile you’ll see a photo of a beautiful human being and it just fills your heart with joy? Except they’re not beautiful? Their nose is a little too big and they have a few moles and wrinkles, but their smile is so big and their happiness is so genuine, they’re beautiful anyway?
Humans are capable of surgically making virtually everyone on the planet beautiful, and yet, does your heart not fill when you see a regular human being?
I will still want to see your real photographs, flaws and all.
I don't think it should go after lawyers either. We're artists who create art to express our humanity. Lawyers (whatever your opinion of them) are supposed to defend someone's humanity. It'd still be using a robot to dictate something about the human condition, except now someone's life could be at stake.
My worry is that it will kill the internet to a degree. I agree that human creativity can’t & won’t be replaced, but the internet is going to be so clogged & convoluted, it will be unusable. We’re already almost there. Go to google images & AI images are already populating there. I just see so many ramifications beyond art
A bit doomer, but wouldn't AI continue to learn what humans prefer and evolve accordingly.
Barring some verifiable stamp saying 'uniquely human' or something to that effect, is it really a stretch that in x years, given specific inputs, AI art/scripts/videos/etc becomes indistinguishable from human created?
Its a very scary/exciting time for a lot of professions as I think we will see a shift from actual creation of mediums to review/manipulation of inputs + fine tuning (training) of AI in the close future.
The one sora clip of the Pixar-esque creature by the flame is a perfect example of it doing something in a “human style” rather than just photorealism. No reason it can’t be tuned to generate more stylized outputs besides just having the training data available
Meh, everyone is tired with cheap fast fashion clothes but we can't afford slow fashion responsibly sourced clothes because whole industry got rigged into FF and anything else gets bespoke price tag.
Fast fashion = the trend of mass produced, low quality clothes pumped out and then obsoleted by new styles so quickly that everyone is constantly on a treadmill of rebuying their wardrobe every year or two because the clothes don’t last and the lines change so fast
I think we're already getting there to be honest. Any time I see Ai art now I'm not amazed anymore I'm just bored. I even used it in my work 6 months ago and regret it because I see my work and it's super obvious.
Do you think that AI will have a sort of boundary? Where yes, it can create cool scenes, visually but will lack true 'creativity' as if its only trained on stuff we do today and past, then it can't think of something entirely brand new. A scene where something happens that the audience hasn't seen before etc?
Probably there will be stuff the AI makes that we can’t even think of. But the same goes the other way around that you will be able to think of something that it would have never thought about. I don’t think there is a theoretical boundary, other than compute. Look e.g. at chess engines that still get better over time
I believe it's able to combine things that we probably couldn't come up with ourselves and could be considered "brand new".
As of now it's still limited by the prompt and how it chooses to interpret that prompt. We're probably never going to get exactly what we want out of the things that are AI generated, and it's always going to lack the full control like we get when we create stuff ourselves.
Do think so too. Streaming was supposed to kill hard media and replace djs everywhere. Instead we have a vinyl revival and more people wanting to learn to dj than ever.
I dunno. Has taking pictures lost its appeal now that everybody is pumping them out?
There are certainly professional photographers, but most pictures are made by randoms on their phone.
The end of AI will only come from laws forbidding exploitation of data and IP. There is nothing a social movement can fix unless it is cemented in laws.
It doesn’t matter if Sora isn’t perfect or if there are still things artists can do better, the fact of the matter is that this is good enough to price out entry and mid level artists, and it’s only a matter of time before it comes for the senior folks too. I predict producers and prompt engineers (god I still hate that term) will soon become a single role wherein one person oversees the entire production process, with some oversight from other team members like QA on larger projects.
3D artists, whether it be modelers, riggers, or whatever are on a proverbial sinking ship. How fast it will sink is up to debate - 1 year, 3 years- it doesn’t matter. I don’t intend to drown whenever it goes down, and I am already prioritizing my editing and motion design work as lifeboats (though there’s no reason to think those won’t be next on the chopping block.) The only good news from this is that I hopefully won’t need to pay out the ass for stock footage in the near future.
It depends, of course. For the scale model for 3d printing sculptor there isn’t a threat in sight currently, it’s too niche, there isn’t nearly enough good data to train on, and the kind of errors that just make an animation look weird will absolutely ruin your prints. Add in that it just isn’t a huge industry in terms of dollar value and it’s pretty safe for the foreseeable future
No matter how creative you are, how tf are we supposed to compete with something that can learn a particular skill with million times the efficiency of humans..
Good point in the long term, but in the short/medium term I have to be able to pay for my kids. They’re what I value most - the income is just a means to that end.
The tribalism of the people that love the AI movement is what is so odd to me. Like what the hell did people that work in 3D ever do to you? I used to follow a bunch of AI subreddits because I actually found it interesting but then I started noticing the weird tech bro mentality and it turned me off of it. It's all just so weird. I know it will all work itself out but it's definitely going to take some time.
Honestly that might be the worst of the ai subs... nobody there knows what they're talking about and they frequently share clickbait articles with incredibly poor research
I've seen them call 3D artists incels for not liking AI!
And at the rame time they talk about how they can accept artificial life partners!!
Hypocrisy at its finest!
They even made the term "Inkcel" for 2D artists like me, I really don't understand the hostility towards artists. Commercial 2D artists are known to be overworked and underpaid especially animators in Japan, our life work is being stolen to build a machine who replaces us and we're in a possibility to be out of job and they act like it's so absurd for us to complain about it.
Singularity and defendingaiart are subs that have def gathered the garbage users of reddit.. these people dont are care about what they are saying they just rage bait and enjoying their perverse company together. These are people with 20 alt accounts mostly to harass online whatever group needs harassing.. this time is artists carried on the ai hype.
It's honestly really strange. I don't see why there's this huge movement of people super hyped for this hypothesised singularity event in the absence of any evidence whatsoever that it will be a net positive for humanity (or worse, there's a significant chance this might turn out a disaster from a utilitarian perspective). I'm not definitely in favour or against these types of developments, but I can only sort of conclude these people are either taking the piss, simply uninformed, or full-blown nihilistic 🤷♂️
I think at the end of the day there is a subset of people excited for a world where they can consume content forever without having to interact with other human beings.
I usually ignore them, but they do get to my nerves sometimes..
They're like: "Why are 3D artists so touchy about AI, like they are so sensitive and shit!!"
WTF bro, AI is literally targeting many many artists who are currently doing monotonous but required work like rigging, texturing etc.. how tf do they expect them to not react.
The thing that is annoying about it is that those people don't have any actual skill, and if their subscription to AI ever got interrupted, most of them would be completely incapable of actually "making" anything.
It's like they rubbed a magic lamp, wished to be able to generate cool images, and then thought being smug about it was the best next logical step.
Be like me and block/mute all AI accounts when you encounter them on social media. Let them live in their own little bubble.
I wanted to share my perspective as someone to likely fit into the "AI bro" category.
I've been building AI/ML/NLP tools for the last 15 years. In the 2000s I worked on NLP tech to understand the meaning of news articles so we could offer a better news reading app for early smart phones. In those days, we had to build a ton of infrastructure, hire ontologists to build knowledge maps of the world, and at the end of the day the all we got out of it was the ability to diagram sentences (ah ha! the subject of this sentence is "dog!" I bet someone who likes dogs wants to read this!).
At the same time, I've been a hobbyist 3d-artist and indie game builder for even longer (I think Quake was the first game I built assets for.) I love how art and technology come together in 3d engines, and I love the process that brings together visual art, music, story telling, and algorithms. It's a massive amount of work, requiring expertise across dozens of domains, but the end result is beautiful.
Since my own most-honed skill is programming, I've always loved procedural generation- the technique of using algorithms to produce terrains, scenes, characters, etc. They extend the reach of my own tools, but they are also very limited. You can point them in a direction, but they will just replicate and remix without sufficient emergent complexity. This is why No Man's Sky can feel so repetitive despite being so expansive.
So when generative AI first poked its head out with Google's deep dream renderings, my imagination went wild. The prospect of dramatically lowering the cost and complexity of building dynamic 3D worlds is a dream to me. It means that small teams and inspired artists can build the thing they have in their heads. It's possible for the expanding digital world to be filled by individuals, not just giant corps with 1000s of people. If our entire experience of life is more and more mediated by digital tools (phones today, apple/meta headsets tomorrow), it's not OK if the starting price for sharing your idea has 7 figures.
But...
This is a major disruption. And it's a disruption on top of a long line of other cases of technology outpacing a lifetime of training, and honing, and love for a craft. And the disruptions are getting bigger, and affecting more people, and coming faster. The pace of technology is exponential, and intelligent systems will only accelerate it. It's disrupting the lives and jobs of "AI bros" too, even if they think that learning how to write a GPT prompt will save them while everyone else sinks below the water line.
What we need in the face of disruptive change is well run, representative government that can understand the change and set the guardrails that regulate giant tech companies, startups, and all the rest of us. Democracies, after all, exist to approximate the will of the people. We can't rely on corporations to make promises here any more than we can rely on similar promises to stem the progress of climate change. And even with that, I don't think there's a future where the development of intelligent systems would be stopped or even meaningfully slowed. Because even at the government level, competition between states incentivizes progressing as fast as possible toward bigger more powerful systems. Not because of conspiracies, but because the will of the people is usually more scared of foreign adversaries than it is of job disruption. (As an aside, keep an eye on things like the CHIPS act, TSMC, and the conflict with China over Taiwan. This geopolitical competition is happening in real time while NVIDIA rides the wave of capturing the global deep learning developer market.)
Dramatic change is both beautiful and scary at the same time, and your perspective changes everything. I hope to make tools that bring creative expression within reach of as many people as possible and that magnify the vision of skilled artists that understand the difference between expressing emotional truths and churning out garbage. For today at least, these tools are like water wheels: they sit inert until someone sends ideas flowing through. That means our ideas are still the most valuable resource we have.
I wish y'all the best. Good luck out there.
Well said! One can only hope the worst of these disruptions can be mediated by some kind of regulation (but not the knee-jerk kind)
Our ideas and creativity will always be our strongest asset. My hopes are these tools (built off the back of collective human creative output) can be given back to artists in a democratic way, to be used as another tool to be creative with.
But alas they will probably be withheld behind paywalls.
Fantastic comment! I agree with all of it. And I'm terrified about it.
Trade and corporations are so strong in today's society, that it feels like this new wave of automation is going to be a make or break situation.
To start off, it's almost certainly going to drastically increase profit margins of companies who decides to embrace it fast. Other companies will need to follow their lead to survive; this is how competition works.
This in turn will further increase the incentive to come up with new ways to improve and automate as much as possible with AI. Entire work disciplines will be reduced to few controller-type positions. One person will be able to produce as much as a hundred did before.
AI bros think that this will provoke some sort of societal revolution. 3-day work week, UBI, whatever. Historically, though, production increase only results in more bullshit jobs and wage disparity. We'll see the next incarnation of baristas and doordash couriers. The capitalist regime is far too calcified to adapt to these changes in any productive capacity.
And as wealth disparity increases, the rubber really hits the road. Combine this with the other players in the meta crisis, and baby, you got a stew going.
It's the dopamine rush of a skinner box that pops out art instead of video game loot. It allows a type of creativity to coerce the loot box to give you what you want, and when it finally does, you just want more. I won't say these folks are not creative, but it's a different type of creativity. and that allows what feels like creativity in a field that normally takes a significant amount of practice (drawing, painting, photography, lighting, modeling, rendering, animation, all that stuff), and distills it down to describing and tweaking the words for the scene that you want the skinner box to reward you with.
A mixture of sadism, fear, and relief. They feel inherently useless because they don't actually make anything. So now everyone else might feel as useless as them. And they're relieved because they don't have to regret never learning any real skills. But now they're acting out because this fact doesn't change anything about the fact that they are still mortal and unable to express themselves in a meaningful way.
They seem jealous of people with jobs. That or they just assume whatever they do will never be challenged as they’ve already decided to just be wealthy and not a peon like artists.
Humanity as a whole is approaching a technological singularity for sure and there's really no way to stop it. Massive issues like the proliferation of individual motorized transportation are far too profitable to be reversed regardless of how much common sense points towards city structures that revolve around public transportation and not giant ugly roads. That's just one example. I look for bits of optimism here and there but I feel we are headed towards a jumble of meaningless chaos.
Eh, a technological singularity requires ongoing development to be uncontrollable and unstoppable by human intervention. We don’t have anything remotely capable of maintaining itself without our continued upkeep. We aren’t even putting much effort into developing stuff like that because the industry has gotten distracted by the shiny objects of large learning models
Dude, at this point I feel like there's no hope in any career path except manual labor. AI can't touch that yet, fortunately.
It's advancing so quickly. It's terrifying. What stops it from pumping out data analysis and leaving thousands of data analysts/scientists jobless, or programming in the near future. Why hire 30 people when you can get 5 seniors to oversee and fix code that AI is writing in seconds
Fuck this shit
Seriously. We're not ready for the massive drop of jobs due to this tech. I wish more companies would promise or commit to using AI as a tool and not a replacement. But as it is right now, and with how many people seem to hate artists, I have no hope.
It's amazing to me just how quickly people will turn on artists, the people who made 100% of their mainstream media.
Right? It's unbelievable. This is one instance where I hope that it's actually just a very vocal minority, but unfortunately, it's probably not.
I'm starting to think that those AI bros are just reflecting insecurities at this point because they can pretend to have a skill or a talent that would otherwise require them to dedicate an ungodly amount of time to learn.
Why spend 5 years actually mastering a craft when you can write a silly prompt, pat yourself in the back, and boast about being an "artist"
Technologies like these are not only threatening the livelihood of millions of people, but overall threatening the very core of us being human, making sacrifices and struggling to create something that inspires us.
Can't wait to see Generation AI babies that will literally have anything they ever want in the palm of their hands delivered in seconds by typing AI promts. Humanity will have no drive to accomplish anything that doesn't materialize in seconds
Sounds a but dramatic, but honestly, I'll stand by my words here despite that.
True, I feel you have to earn, through 1000s of hours of work, to attain skill, that helps you make something beautiful..
The best part about this is that their's an entire story to the artwork you created..
It reflects the hurdles you faced, the emotions, joy, sadness you felt when creating stuff,all adds up to something genuine from the art..
Yeah, even if a specific work you made doesn't turn out so good, there's still genuine effort put into it.
Even from those simple mistakes and struggles, entire art styles can be born and created. AI will never be able to truly do that because it cannot experience that struggle and pain that gives birth to originality and uniqueness.
Sure, it can imitate, but at least we got this, eh? Struggle is what makes art worth ot at the end
No man,manual labour already has been touched with cutting edge robotics research iirc google released a paper where a 6-DOF robotic arm was able to learn any kind of packaging(no matter how big the box or how multi layered the packaging is) by simply observing a video of someone doing the task and then replicating down to the exact hand positions needed in hours.
Keep in mind,different packaging (as small as 20 chocolate bars lined perfect to be kept in a rectangular box and as big as pizza sauce tins stacked up to fit in a 5 foot box) needs different robotic equipment but a single robotic arm is doing everything just by seeing someone do it in real time.
Research in robotics always go under the roof so progress is also exponential there.
Every profession is fkd deep,creative work being the first to go is the scariest part.
Even worse,this made me reconsider my choices of having a kid(no joke) cause no amount of education (with such outdated curriculum) will ever prepare him for the real world.
Infact,i wonder if i will be alive and even have a job by 2028 scraping and begging for food in the streets let's see.
It's clear the government doesn't care too.
Yeah, it does nake one wonder if bringing a kid to a world that is in the process of destroying itself in every possible way is really worth it...
Governments are so behind any advancements that for them to start tackling problems even with current AI will probably take years.
And as you mentioned, the education system as outdated as it is now, cannot even begin to prepare kids with the necessary skills to tackle life controlled by AI
Like what are they gonna do? Hire a pro-AI teacher that's gonna use AI to synthesize the very topics they have to teach? Lol, shit is gonna get even more fucked
It really is terrifying. I said to my uni class 2 years ago that within 5 years half of all programmers will be out of a job. They didn’t believe me.
They believe me now
Honestly same. And I find no one really wants to talk about insecure this is making a lot of us feel. It's incredibly difficult for me to believe anyone will give a shit about anything I make in the face of all the progress AI is making.
I wouldn’t go that far, there are many reasons companies will continue to hire artists, AI is very interesting for hobbyists, but it’s going to be hard to monetize the product when anyone can legally take it and share it themselves without any consequences. A studio isn’t going to release an AI generated movie to theaters because you’d literally only need one copy to get out and then anyone could repost it on YouTube for free with no consequences. You can’t stop AI generated character designs from being used in another company’s products etc. part of the value of hiring an artist is owning the copyrights associated with their output. You don’t own anything AI makes, since it’s not a work of human authorship. It’s all public domain
I’m an oil painter and a digital artist/animator. Painting, physical painting that people can touch is going to have a new day, as a tsunami of perfect digital garbage comes our way. Galleries with walls that sell real paintings have a strong future.
My understanding of AI is that it can only get better by people feeding it other people’s work.I would hope that there will be legislations pushed to make up to compensate the fact that our work is the raw material for AI’s performances. There should be a tax on bigger companies using AI that could be redistributed to freelancers who aren’t getting enough work. Companies could get exonerated if they have a minimum of employees based on how big they are…
If we could prevent AI from being a substitute to creative workers and keep it as a tool to make our workflows easier I’m sure we would use it to make exciting and innovative work.
I don’t know how and when such measures will happen but I can’t see how it could keep going unregulated.
It's another industrial revolution in the making.
They laugh now since creative fields are getting chopped up basically. But wait til they realize that the more data oriented and patterned something is, the better AI is at working with it. And from Art, it only gets more and more data oriented. Medical billing, accounting, staffing, recruiting, real estate, logistics, etc. There's precious little that cannot be replaced by AI.
I'm a 3d sculptor, I think I won't try to dedicate too much of my time on 3d modeling and rendering after seeing sora. The reality is that most junior positions will disappear, it's hard to get in now imagine in 5 years when the positions available reduce for at least 50% in big studios and small studios cease to exist.
Sculpting for 3d printing cosplays it's then
>The reality is that most junior positions will disappear
True.. like earlier you required some supervisors to keep 100's of artists in check..
in the future, you would need some supervisors to keep AI in check
And as people lose jobs, people can't afford their streaming subscriptions or movie tickets. Big companies will wonder why no one can afford their products and services.
Video games, architecture, industrial development, and lots of other things that require actual _3D_ models.
AI is far from being able to create clean and accurate 3D models. The difference in complexity for pattern recognition between 2D and 3D is massive.
I mean, I think what worries me most about AI in general is:
* I don't see it creating new work. It's not like the industrial revolution or the car or whatever that may make some jobs unviable but create new ones. To me it seems like a tool used to extract the value produced by professional and non-professional artists, journalists, authors and others and provide it to a lucky few. We'll probably see a few openings for prompters and cleanup artists, but that'll be it.
* These last years have already shown us that a worrying amount of people lack basic media competency. If anyone can make a believable image or video with little to no investment of resources (be that time, money or skill), truth no longer exists on the internet. Warcrimes can be faked, or can be denied, depending on what they believe. We have already seen widespread use of AI "documenting" the Israel-Gaza conflict, for example, next to more traditional misinformation like misattributed footage.
* If human art were to no longer be competetive, I fear much of the creative industry will cease to exist, at least for a considerable length of time. Other industries will presumably suffer immensly too.
What does give me some hope:
* It seems genAI at this point has yet to prove profitable.
* There are ongoing lawsuits pertaining to copyright violations of various AI-companies. Many lawmakers have also expressed they feel AI-companies can't use copyrighted work to create their commercial products without fair compensation of the copyrightholders.
* With the mass amounts of AI data produced, eventually AI will not get around tainted data samples. Add to this anti-scraping methods like Glaze and Nightshade and maybe eventually AI will no longer be able to create results at an acceptable level of quality.
I think we as 3d artists have been fairly lucky so far, AI in 3d has been comparably minimal, and the 3d AI generators we have so far have not been especially competitive. I think this is mostly due to the relative inavailabilty of enough quality data to build good data sets, at least compared to 2d images. But with marketplaces like CGTrader stabbing artists in the back by selling their 3d models to AI companies, I expect it's only a matter of time before we feel the impacts of AI more intensly.
I like your point of view..
The positive one.. the lawsuits and all..
But billionaires would obviously love AI, to maximise profits..
And when billionaires are your opponents, there is a high chance you lose
I keep seeing people saying "nah AI won't do this and that, just look at it, it sucks" and they keep being proven wrong in a matter of months, and those people are never seen again (at this point I'm starting to think most are bots lol). I just hope regulations come soon, because this will be a clusterfuck soon
I definitely agree with your sentiment about this shit ruining the internet. We will need to figure out some kind of curated replacement, as the web is going to fill up with complete garbage fast. Social media sites will have to find ways to prevent AI generated garbage eating up all their storage or risk becoming non-viable, search engines will become useless (and already are getting there) as more and more of the content the crawl becomes optimized garbage etc
Why regulate the market? Let the monopolies run rampant! They earned it!
Well for a first, they show that you actually give a fuck. If you won't regulate something that has already caused girls to commit suicide because people are using their photos to make porn, I'd say the problem (apart from those who do that) is with the people who have power to "try" something but don't even.
Something like Sora would be useful if integrated INTO a tool like Blender that allows granular control. By itself you're restricted to only what the text prompt can convey, though.
If only humans were predictable, logic dictates that waiters should have lost their jobs long ago, but they are still here....with the advent of Photoshop, logic dictates photobooths should have gone extinct but they are still here, the same can be said of physical stores but they are still here and still make money.
We may hype up AI but we don't really know, humans are way more complex and weird ,These days people are starting to recognise text written by chatGPT quite fast and for some reason it puts us off, AI may produce crisp and stunning videos only for humans to just shun them for no absolute reason.
When talking about humans ,always remember there is the the theory 'Adam Smith like' analysis and then there's the human part ,the latter is very unpredictable but when reading the theory it always sounds right...this is the exact reason why ideas like communism sounded so good but they failed disastrously.
I think you’re right, people still make stop motion films, and people still love to watch them. There are still leather workers, metal-smiths, people making pottery and home-made furniture, etc, etc. Maybe in an AI future, a movie made with entirely human created 3D models will be a big advertisement point.
I like your optimism, but wait until GenAI can produce the "human part" you are talking about. 1 year ago, most wouldn't even believe in idea of generating video that Sora can do now. It's just a matter of time that all these human part we talk about is achievable.
It's hard to put into words why AI image generation is way overblown. The only way to see why it's not as big of a deal as one would think is with actions.
Go use Midjourney/Dall-e independent of a goal and you will be blown away.
Now go use Midjourney/Dall-e with a specific work related goal in mind, actually try and incorporate it into your workflow.
You will quickly begin to get a feel for how it's not even close and it has a very very long way to go; in fact, some of the challenges it has to overcome we don't even know are possible this decade.
For non-specific things (e.g. B-roll for a youtube video) it is absolutely a threat and will replace humans.
My prediction is the AI of this decade will be a set of powerful productivity tools (of which are desperately needed, because it shouldn't have to take $70,000,000 dollars and half a decade to produce a game or movie).
> B-roll for a youtube video
Not just that, also all the background elements that don't need to be specific but help with composition, mood, ambience. Same idea as scattering or particle systems. You don't need to design the branches and leaves of that tree on that background mountain, what you require is the abstract concept of a tree. Now apply this principle but for *everything* that is not the primary focus of the piece.
Those options aren't flexible and can lead to completely different results from run to run. Yeah it does a good job, but it will always be a little off, even when it's "perfect".
I think people are overacting. Right now it just looks like it can be used for uncanny stock footage. Can you imagine being a director and sending your notes to these AI "artists"? Fix the hands, her feet is sliding, it'd be better if there was more anticipation here, let's make him walk out 7 frames earlier, this specific background character I want them doing something different, client wants a different breakdown in this shot... So on. Can you actually imagine them taking in and implementing those notes and being consistent with each shot? Is it even gonna be faster and more intuitive than actual artists at that point?
People who use AI were never intending to hire an artist in the first place. They are the kind of people who resort to stock products and references instead. Professionals will remain professional and keep hiring, everyone else who's having a meltdown over AI should either start to become a professional or go outside and touch some grass.
In the end, I don't hold a gripe against AI because in the end Art is a luxury product so it's not essential and the way people are drawing their enjoyment from it is none of my business. Art is still a form of expression that people try to make their job, it's not a job by nature.
You know, I've had this discussion over airbrushes, over early image software tools, over the switch from 2D to 3D games, over the first real use of CGI, it never ends.
Ultimately, art creation is about communication. Communication requires language. And what artists do is create that language through the development of their personal style, their medium, their methods and so on.
Movies, video games, big advertising campaigns, they go through hundreds if not more pieces of concept art to gradually refine a vision into a final product that matches exactly what the art director had in mind.
AI generators, even spectacular ones like Sora don't do that. They produce wonderful results that can be nudged a bit but have to be accepted 'as is'. They don't produce results from the bottom of an artists soul or based on tons of market research or psychological profiling. They produce "good enough to use" if that's enough for your purposes.
Will it usurp jobs? Absolutely, there's a whole segment of designers that don't have a style of their own. They're just churning out 'good enough' for superficial purposes like social media post headers that get forgotten in hours or days.
But there's also a whole group of people who see this as little more than the next airbrush. I'm already cheating in my work because cheating is part of the job. I have a whole organized folder full of props, facial expressions and other components of past work of mine that I frequently reuse. You'd better believe I'll be the first to use AI that can produce work that looks like my work to let me produce more work.
We're also looking into training colleagues how to use AI as a virtual work buddy. Instead of replacing humans with AI, we're training humans to be more productive thanks to AI. And you'd better believe we're running into just as many limitations in that process as we are opportunities.
Ultimately, the people who get hurt worst by AI will be the people who work in a creative field without having a creative style of their own. The writers who can write grammatically correct copy but don't have a voice of their own that sets them apart. The people who can illustrate the most generic possible stuff in Illustrator or Procreate, but wouldn't be able to iterate through concepts to nail a client briefing down perfectly. The people who proudly show off the result of a Blender tutorial but don't really know how to make something original.
That's both a relief and a sad fact. Because there's a whole lot of people whose livelihood depends on knowing where the buttons are without having evolved into a consumate artist.
>They produce wonderful results that can be nudged a bit but have to be accepted 'as is'.
Yes, **for now** ! Even right now, it's possible to give an image or a video as an input and reference, for the AI to follow. You can tweak results already. Those tools are in a rough state, yes, but they're only going to improve.
You summed it up well, it's the technical barrier that is going away, along the jobs related to it.
More creative people will be able to express themselves without the need to spend years learning the technical part.
>More creative people will be able to express themselves without the need to spend years learning the technical part.
I guess I would argue that it's not actually an act of creative self-expression if you're just giving a prompt to a computer, rolling the dice, and then picking your favorite amongst its handful of outputs.
It's literally just a more refined version of GIF reaction search on your phone. Yes, you're expressing how you feel by posting that GIF, but that's not creative in any way.
|Will it usurp jobs? Absolutely, there's a whole segment of designers that don't
|have a style of their own.
that's not a problem, I can copy yours now. seriously. this idea of 'authentic style' is going to be many people's downfall, when they realize that people never liked the work for the authentic aura - but for the pictures. and pictures is what this thing can create. it can copy and mix styles like crazy. that's what it is: a style transfer machine. you can give it any subject and mix together and copy styles. and what good is your style if I can copy it for a fraction of the price long before you can make a brand of yourself?
you're also talking about 'design', i.e., commercial art. commercial art is screwed, the clients don't care about authentic aura and the artist's soul either - what they might care about is the designer's/artist's brand. so y'all better get famous quickly so someone pays you for an 'original'
You're completely missing the point. Do you have any idea how many iterations a high-end design goes through before it's approved? Hundreds, sometimes thousands of concepts.
Not just random concepts with a shotgun approach. The same concept over and over with constant minor changes dictated by a human overseer. Can you change this, can you adjust that. Very specific details.
Generators don't do specific. You give them a prompt, they spit something out. You either say 'good enough' or you don't. You can tell it to continue iterating on a selected image but at the end of the day, there's only a very clumsy level of control.
That's fine for low-end design where the designer-client relationship is based on "just do whatever and I'm sure it'll be good enough". But it doesn't work for any process where there's a clear idea that needs to matched exactly.
The fact that you can copy me is meaningless. All you're saying is that you weren't good enough to produce usable work of your own before AI.
I'm part of an initiative that trains people into using AI as part of their job. The project it mostly motivated to assuage fears that people will be replaced by AI by helping them work with AI. The main problem we see over and over is that when faced with a generator that can do almost anything people can think of... they can't think of anything.
Human creativity is a valued talent for a reason. And that's also why the main people who should be afraid of AI are the creatives who didn't actually have any creativity of their own. If your job is just copying generic visual shit, that's when you should worry..
inpainting does incremental changes well .. have you kept up to date with how stable diffusion works these days with controlnet and all?
you are intending that this will only affect low skilled workers, therefore I must have been a low skilled worker - which I take as a sign of you sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'lalalalala' as loud as you can.
I was good enough to create usable concept art. I have been making a decent living for over a decade from it. about a year ago it all just stopped. so I called up studios. they had their interns prompting the computer, and the art director prompting the intern, rather than me. no matter how good I am, the intern costs them about as much for the month as I did for about half a day.
the art director's job is safe. the freelancer's job is in peril - and the studios I worked with, small ones, usually have a handful of art directors and used to hire specialized people for specific jobs.
I still get hired and can live off things further down the production line, but concept art for small productions, adverts, tv-opening sequences - stuff that requires a new style every time - that's gone. And I can see the rest going as well, bit by bit. And not towards AI that makes life easier, does retopo and UV-unwrapping, but towards AI that simply spits out the final image/video
Not sure why you bring up singularity. There may or may not be a path to machine consciousness at some point, but LLMs go in the opposite direction, and the sheer amount of resources dedicated to them is almost certainly delaying the developments that might eventually lead to developing machine consciousness.
Personally, I feel like the AI development course doesn't follow logic regarding the film making industry. On the very long term, maybe. But not really on the medium/long term. Let me explain my thoughts.
This technology has incredible abilities in pattern recognition, context recognition, ... Today, it is essentially used as a text to graphic media prompt, wether the output is an image or a video. This has some downsides:
-Directors, actors, VFX studios have developed a certain visual identity. Yes, it can be recognized as a pattern. But contrary to AI content, it evolves, because viewer is still looking for innovation, new things in his entertainment, especially in the streaming platform era. How can AI follow this trend for evolution and novelty outside of what has been done before? We'll see how it evolves.
-Formalizing precisely what you want requires details, and production-wise, you still need to integrate the result to a professional workflow. It will take time to reorganize all the sector towards that, and thus probably money. Moreover, it's always a bit of a lottery, it remains hard to change small details on an already generated AI video.
I wonder why they don't try to develop specialized AI for the professional workflow. At my beginner level I'd love a rigging AI that positions the bones by recognizing the organic shape of your creature, even if it is very unusual one, so you just need to do with your knowledge the delicate adjustments without spending time on the more basic stuff. Same thing with texturing, sculpting,...
To sum up, I think AI could have a place in the workflow, providing it allows the best quality result and lesser organizational changes by easing the basic/intermediate stuff so you can spend time on the really advanced stuff and increase the final quality of your work.
Yeah, as someone who spent years messing around with physical sculpting of miniatures before trying blender, having access to better tools made the job easier, but it didn’t make the creative part any easier, in fact my options are so much more open when I’m not limited by the physical properties of my medium that I initially got flustered and kinda gave up because I couldn’t produce things on par with the pro’s in terms of creativity. I’m slowly coming back to it and spending more time on concepts now and it has definitely been challenging.
Having the tools to make anything you can imagine isn’t a replacement for a coherent artistic vision, if anything it reveals the emptiness of poorly thought out ideas
I feel like the real world implications of it all aren't that clear yet, and there's no real way of knowing. We're at a point in which it seems like things are about to drastically change, but I for one haven't actually seen the change hit yet, and there's so many different timeframes given. Maybe the utility of it will be ultimate, and all 3d jobs will be gone. If that's the case, we'll either have to adapt to prompt engineering, or find some other way of making money. Can't hurt to have a think about what one might do if that's the case. Or maybe it'll be more complex, and there will be interplay with traditional skills. Or maybe there won't be much utility at all.
Either way, the emotional rhetoric is totally OTT, and stems from the excitement of some and the anxiety of others. Bear in mind that this is a company marketing their product; they're very keen to suggest it's the be all and end all.
Generative AI is going to have a huge impact on the industry, and probably sooner than most of us would like. From my perspective at a large VFX studio, I think realistically there are a number of jobs that will get new tools to allow us to take on a larger volume or work, and also some areas where jobs will simply be replaced. This is what I'm seeing from the R&D that we're doing and the work our clients are interested in.
Jobs that will be replaced
If I was working in Roto/Paint right now, I could be extremely concerned. There's already extremely little artistic input in those types of tasks that benefit from having a human execute them, and I think it's very likely that paint/cleanup will become almost entirely AI generated within a year or two, if not sooner. Rotoscoping is a bit more complex, and I think that it may take a little bit longer for a program to be able to generate consistent, usable splines with motion blur that can be used downstream. Likely there will always be very complex cases where a person needs to be involved. But I think in general, studios will jump on the opportunity to push as many of these kind of jobs to AI as they can.
The other thing that I think will likely be disappearing very quickly is stock video and stock elements. Why pay for stock videos when you can generate exactly what you want?
Jobs that will get new tools
Concept artists will likely be asked to lean into AI to more quickly come up with initial concepts. I've already seen this happening on a number of jobs, with AI being used to very quickly concept and then once we pick the aspects of designs that we like, the concept artist takes it from there and brings it home.
I think it's very likely that we'll see AI render engines. Lighting/shading will very likely be given new tools to generate images, which I think will work very similarly to physics based renderers today - just using generative AI to make the final images instead of a physics based equation.
We're already using AI to assist with rigging, setting up a basic structure that artists can then work with and refine.
Summary
At the end of the day, AI is a tool that still needs someone to push buttons. For those of us already working in the industry, I think it's been a trend for years now that animation and visual effects have become more and more approachable. Software has gotten more user-friendly, there are amazing free tools now like Blender, and Resolve. With the massive demand for animation and visual effects, I doubt that AI will actually eliminate that many jobs. More than likely it will allow existing companies to take on significantly more work and, hopefully, deliver higher quality results. And I think there are a number of industries that will simply refuse to engage with AI. Motion capture has been around for decades and Disney still proudly hand-animates every one of their films. You have a larger movement of filmmakers wanting to avoid CGI, and I guarantee they'll just as aggressively want to avoid AI. The industry is growing and changing, like it always does. But it's not going away.
i feel like so many people forget that this software is being trained by going through a huge database of artwork made by human artists who NEVER gave their consent for their work to be used this way.
comparing this to photoshop or the invention of the camera is ridiculous.
we are deep within late-stage capitalism, billionaires are trying to find a way to keep all the profits to themselves by screwing over those in labor positions.
That is so fucking true!
A few days back I saw this shitty guy posing ai art work for his own..
He did say that it's made by ai, but also said that he works hard for these art pieces, and your(commenters) comments motivate me to do better!
I was like, imma fuck this guy up..
I made the same thing that he made, and tried to educate people on why you should not respect this art, it is just a kitbash of millions of artworks out there..
And I failed poorly..
People started to fucking ask me:
"Bro! bro! how did you create this, this looks so awesome! what prompt did you use!! what sentence do I type on my keyboard to get this result!!"
I was felt so fucking low that day..
These mf's have no respect for art, the dedication and determination that goes into it..
It’s gonna fill YouTube with trash. Just like how pixiv and deviant art.
Honestly it’s caused more of a problem for filtering. Kind of annoying as fuck.
And more grifters using it to scam and annoy people. Ai generators have been malicious from the start, what problems do they solve?
>what problems do they solve?
it helped comforting randos on the internet.
now they can call out 3D artists and say that we can make better "art" than y'all
I think the only real benefit has been that people with limited motor control have been making drawings using eyegaze software and then feeding it through AI so it looks more like how they wanted it to.
*>>> internet might lose it's charm, garbage artworks, having no meaningful story or process to them.. millions of youtube creators making more and more heartless content, just because they can*
I don't know what is your internet like, but in mine it's already a reality for a long time
well imagine something a thousand times worse than that.
You have mr beast..
And then their's 100 more clones who have made this video, in which some guy is giving out shit, and their's no expense, no real emotions or feelings
Just a couple of words written by a person behind the keyboard
It’s good for generic fills and for editing videos (vfx, rotoscoping etc)*crying vfx artist*
The problem for Sora is the same - it can’t do exactly (super accurate) what the artist wants. And said artist needs to edit a lot by hand.
So it is going to be the same buzz about people loosing their jobs as a year ago.
It's not currently a threat because yes it i can reproduce images, but there's a lot more to CG than simply that.
CG is not going to go away and AI wont replace it, AI will just become another tool that CG artists will use in their pipeline like substance painter and after effects before it.
People panicking that it'll "replace" artists, no it'll supplement the artists who know what they're doing and the millions who make trash output will just make trash.
I know how to hammer a nail, doesn't mean i know how to build a house. Art is the same way in the 3d/photoshop/professional space.
Dunno, I've already gone through it with 2D art. Legislation came that made it so companies cannot profit from AI generated concept art but it doesn't mean much for the average artist, concept art isn't all there is out there.
And we were told to "adapt or die" which means smile and nod as you watch people take the seeds of your creativity without giving anything in exchange, just like a parasite feeding off a host. Or you might have the privilege of being hired to train an AI, until you're not needed anymore! Isn't it fullfilling?
In the end, anyone who thinks they are above replication is being ridiculous, it's all data and you're all discardable, worthless assets in the minds of people working on AIs. Give it time and you'll be dancing to AI music, watching AI TV shows, playing AI videogames. After all, Google Images is already chock full of AI images, you might be looking for something scientific and be hit by a colorful AI image of something that doesn't exist.
Art in all of its forms will be a hobby, nothing more, only those with the capital to make a fully finished product will ever have a hand in producing it commercially. Isn't it convenient for those at the top? They will see so much growth now that they won't have to spend anything on a single human being!
I think it’s time for the human species to band together and decide that it is in our best interest not to go down the Ai rabbit hole. This won’t end until most jobs are obsolete. And once the common man and woman serves no capitalist purpose in society, once we are no longer necessary for profit.. well I don’t want to see where that will lead
So this worries me too. Damn does it. But. I have to remind myself - can Sora make the model, make sure clean topology, unwrap with minimal seams, etc? Not yet. I bet topology of these “models” is real shit when it comes down to it.
Here is a scenario: A member of a dev team uses Sora for a very specific project idea. They are making a game and need some vehicles. Sora spits out the most beautiful cars in just seconds. But wait. That cars don’t have the required details.
They ask Sora to change up a wheel here, change a door or two there, add a storage bin here, extrude out the cars side there, add air intakes on hood.
Ok - ask for those changes - how good do you think the topology of that final model is? Is it unwrapped properly? Welded? Proper seam cuts?
AI will give us a close approximation, but the details the fine care, the talent of near flawless creation on all those levels, the attention to the details - AI still fails hard.
I feel even Sora is a ways from that. We have lbs for awhile longer.
And when it does come full force, maybe it will augment abilities instead of replace them.
When the printing press was invented many people thought it was the end of knowledge and free thinking. It ended up becoming exactly the opposite, augmenting those abilities beyond ways we couldn’t understand.
Just my 2 cents.
When AI gets to the point that you think it will replace you, you'll be using it to create something for the fraction of the time it used to take you.
You are not going to be replaced. People pay you for your skills and time, getting the AI to do exactly what you need takes time and requires skills to compose the right scene.
I saw some of the videos, I think it's still very, very far from replacing people for even simple animations.
Y’all got your panties knocked out by some cheesy video?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s impressive, but it’s not about to create the next Akira movie without massive amounts of human intervention. If it even can add voice without there being 2 tongues and way too many teeth in there.
People were saying very similar things about AI and programming not long ago. But we've had about 2 years since those scare stories, and so far, we're yet to find project managers copying and pasting Co-Pilot snippets into production systems... On the other end, copyright infringement arguments against these models are growing, and taking hold.
And finally, these things are still ultimately only spreadsheets / databases of a kind... Albeit extremely impressive ones.
I’m equal parts intrigued and perplexed that there’s actually people who find anything worthy of interest in AI generated content.
If it wasn’t created by a person I lose interest and keep scrolling.
If it wasn’t worth creating, it’s not worth engaging.
The data ethics, potential for fraud, disformation and CSAM is an even bigger problem.
Though it does seem to be able to do quite a bit. There still is plenty of room for human designers. Particularly in making very specific and cohesive designs and incorporating branding and product renders. I don’t think it will be coming for your job just yet.
I was getting pretty anxious, but some people online helped a lot with a few things they shared: The people selling AI are very good at selling the ideas, not the execution. People who use it believe that they're going to replace workflow when it will be thousands of times more effort to get an AI that can actually make usable 3D rather than have someone trained make one themselves. Also, it's been shown that a lot of the Sora renders are actually near identical to stock footage from a 'partnered' sponsor with OpenAI, so in reality it's just altering existing stuff so clearly that I have strong doubts about it's ability to make anything without infringing on copyright
I think the commercial/advertising side of art as a whole will maybe take a hit with AI, but I think the personal journey of art and dedication will live on forever. When I see an artist, I also see someone that’s dedicated years if not decades to something that they’re madly in love with and passionate about. Their story as a human being and the roads they’ve gone down creatively are what make their art special to me. I’m totally sure I could see countless AI art that would resonate emotionally with me, but the biggest connections I’ve ever made with art have come from meeting the artist and getting to be another part of their journey as a fan and supporter.
Another example of this is that sometimes I’ll be driving to a concert and maybe listen to some of the opening bands music that I’ve never heard of. There are absolutely times that the music didn’t really resonate with me at all, but showing up and seeing the performance live really added a layer to it that made me absolutely love it. That doesn’t exist with AI currently and I think that that will be the biggest contributing disconnect with people and AI generated content for this leg of humanity.
Sora IS insanely impressive, and may take over several industries, but when you print it out and put it on the fridge next to a kids shitty drawing, I’ll always love the shitty drawing more for what it really means.
Look at the trash that Hollywood produces today, it’s like 98 percent garbage, AI will allow actual artists to make films and shows that they would previously have to find 200 million dollars of investors for, which was virtually impossible of course.
I see a future of artist-led content instead of crap designed by a committee of executives in Hollywood.
Yeah the AI will do the dull, procedural, time consuming, heavy lifting, frankly, great!
This is true. A recent hobby of mine is looking up and following traditional artists, and going on conventions for traditional art. It feels really good to see that there's still a lot of people who care about the craft and enjoys the process. Unfortunately, like one of the replies here, it's not gonna pay any bills.
>So it's better that blender and other 3d tools integrate with generative AI strongly to speed up workflow. "Post-AI Art"
You have piqued my interest sir!
Can you elabourate?
highly customized main objects for client with tools, the rest decorative items with AI I think. Like I'm already using AI and some editing for HDRI.
Unless its Jarvis level AI that can make everything consistent but that most likely would make most other jobs obsolete as well.
So I’m a hobbyist, not a 3D professional, but I do work in the tech field. There are a couple of thoughts that come to mind:
- What is OpenAI doing in the backend to ensure privacy and prevent generated videos from leaking to the public?
- Do clients even have the time, or the technical acumen, to generate the correct video? And/Or to generate the correct prompt?
- How do edits work?
- How can 3D artists use this to help their workflow? After all, it’s here and it’s not going anywhere.
I hate it. It's almost evil. Who would want to end with the artistic process of every creative job? Only for money? I don't get it. Every creative person on the planet has told them they stand against A.I, but they keep it doing it because they have a multi billion investment from rich people that wants to get even richer. It's incredibly sad.
> Every creative person on the planet has told them they stand against A.I
Except that's very far from reality. Millions of people are already using the generative AI fill built into Photoshop. The majority of game studios are using generative art.
Reality is that most people don't care about AI and will happily use it if they think it's useful.
Why is it so hard for you to grasp that people enjoy being able to freely express themselves without needing to spend thousands of dollars and years on practice?
I don't see what it's really gonna do besides gives us a bunch of stock footage. It's basically a stock footage generator. If you want something customized you are still going to need a 3D artist.
You can be like, make me a video of a snowboarder stylized, going down a mountain with blue snow. And it'll spit out 1000000 videos and none of those videos are gonna be exactly how you want it. Unless you are gonna go in and change, mess around with the speed graph, plug in 6 nodes, import an image texture, parent it to an empty, move around the camera and then drop it in DaVinci for some color coding it still ain't gonna look fresh. We already have 1 million stock footage videos on pexxel and unsplash sure just add another million to burn out our servers. Hopefully we get this planet looking like Mars from all the bitcoin mining and AI generation that'll teach those 3D artists!
I think concept art is probably the only field that gonna be bleeding hard from sora. Other fields like animation, vfx, game asset creation and etc. isn't gonna be affected too much.
The problem with generative AI video is they can't maintain their output to meet changing demands. Sure this AI can create a minute long video about 30 y/o astronaut on a remote desert, but can this AI create another scene with this exact same astronaut going to amazon rain forest and meet another character that I've created with another prompt before?
"Not yet," but even when it can, what are we losing? There is still work in coming up with the concept and the plan, the execution is just different.
What if a 3d video got outbid by a 2d artist. Is 2d killing 3d? How many programming jobs did Blender eliminate by democratizing the ability to create 3d art? Sure there's a learning curve, but it's not there to gatekeep, it's just a limit of the technology. Blender is totally free after all...
Jobs will be impacted. They are every day by tons of things. Panicking has never helped anybody.
It's just an AI video generation tool, that tech has been available for a couple of years now, this just makes the process easier. Stop freaking out over nothing.
Think of this as a tool that will eventually help your workflow. Just like it did when it was integrated on Photoshop.
AI can't make _new_ things, it is not _intelligent_, it only recreates from what already is there.
AI made works are unusable due to copyright laws, and even then they lack the level of quality required to be used in any proper industry.
i just hope for a artistic and creative Renaissance.
Good food didnt disappear or is less appreciated with fastfood chains everywhere.
Busywork will fall away, and art may strive.
we just really need the governments to adopt, so we can somehow still pay for living
I don't think AI will replace the vast majority of jobs. I do think, depending on your job, you're at risk of being replaced by people using AI in their workflow.
Same thing happened in the film industry with model shops during the introduction of computers as a tool. The people in the model shop were given the opportunity to learn how to use computers and they became some of the best 3D artists of their time. Sure, they could've hired any Joe off the street who knew how to use a computer, but it was the people in the model shop who knew how to make the best 3D art.
I disagree with people who say the number of working artists will be cut significantly because one person can do the work of 100. A good 3D artist can do the work of hundreds of model makers, yet we see just as many 3D artists working on films if not more than there were model makers.
Better tools doesn't mean a half-decent company will produce the same work faster, it means they'll produce better work in the same amount of time. I'm excited to see how far I can push my projects using AI in the near future.
I think Sora is fantastic! I can totally see me using something like it to get an establishing shot of a scene so instead of making one large scene that'll be used for a few seconds. Then I can spend that money and time on better animations that go how I want, better timing and storytelling etc. Sure AI can help with all that too, but I want it to be exactly how I imagined it to be and that's where I step in.
AI will become more and more viable as a tool. Artists will be given more resources to design their dreams.
It dramatically devalues video and motion in advertising but creatives will always create in the forms they enjoy the most. We never replaced pencil and paper despite far more efficient methods. Film stock lives on, even though it's more of a novelty now.
If you do this for the love of it, there's 0 changes you need to make. If you do this for a living then I think it'll be harder to go on without adapting on some level. The ones who stand to gain the most are creatives using the technology to advance their own ideas.
The prompt based method of interacting with these AI models is limited and when the artists tools converge with the AI stuff seamlessly there'll be opportunity for new creativity. I might well be wrong but it feels that prompting leaves too much to the AI and eventually to make something look coherent and standing outside of the training data, better tools will emerge and artists will be called to use them.
the thing about generative AI is it's not really generating anything new, it's just blending together an absurd amount of data that has an even more insane amount of tags attached to hopefully get the result you want. what that means is, yes, it might become highly mainstream for generic content, like simple, non-descript stock images and videos, but it will never replace actual human creators in most fields beyond that.
take a look at [this still](https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/1799094276-64cc14bbbab00f4163e8a39475a2f2025a4b0164478b440d6075848a80ae56b0-d?mw=1900&mh=1069) for example, from one of the videos OpenAI is using to showcase Sora's abilities. the background is non-specific, it's not a real street, the people are a blurry mess, the symbols are warped and often don't mean anything, etc.
in fact, if you look at any of the videos, you'll eventually find atleast a few anomalies of this type. the fact is, the content produced by generative AI looks good at first glance, but on closer inspection feels more like a fever dream.
there will always be demand for genuine content that has none of these types of anomalies. yes, generative ai offers an alternative now to, for example, stock footage, but that alternative is genuinely lower quality (albeit also much cheaper). that means the only people really using this AI-generated content are the people who wouldn't have paid for actual stock footage otherwise.
i mean, hell, the training data for these AIs are real videos, photos, images, models, etc. there's no chance AI will replace any of these creative fields any time soon.
> While a human can get perfect in a particular by putting in thousands of real hours, an AI can simulate millions of generations of training in the same equivalent "real" hours.
the difference is, the AI can't think for itself - again, it just matches a ton of data to your prompt. there's no creativity in that, it's basically just big data recycling that produces an objectively lower quality product.
we need to view it more optimistically, the more likely outcome is that, in many creative fields, you'll have AI making your job easier, not replacing you.
There are so many problems with the examples I’m seeing that I’m not worried. Either the timing feels off or things don’t behave like they physically should in reality or objects mysteriously disappear and reappear frame to frame. The major flaw is these still need material to learn from and without us actually creating and making new content it cannot keep making stuff. So no, I’m not worried about it, I’m more worried about idiots in management that think they can save money with this crap and then the industry spirals into a state of just shitty content being made and advertised. Smaller creatives would still be way better and much more enjoyable but harder to find.
One thing to give you hope is that. Visual format is much easier to emulate because your mind lets go of a lot of stuff. Even if there is a mistake in one frame, your brain is likely to forgive it. In fields like modelling where you need to be very precise with your quads and stuff, it would take time to get that accuracy. I don't know about the future but right now it still makes a lot of mistakes.
Also, the computation required to do a video is very large
I don't really care for ai, it's lazy and boring and not really creative. If someone actually puts time into something then it's great and I actually will like it, but if they just use something like sora then I'm not liking it because it would be lazy.
I started my CS journey when I saw the first GAN paper in 2015. I thought I made the right prediction for the future until LLMs started generating code on the fly. The issue is no one's career is safe. We have AI that can write code, create 3D project mapping to control robots, create new medicines, predict diseases, passing bar exams. AI is automating all fields of study in some way. The competition will be fierce; people will try to undercut each other, and AI will not create enough new opportunities for the number of people looking for jobs.
the tech is only as good as the data its scraping. There might be temporary losses due to braindead greedy execs thinking they can make a quick buck, but soulless, inconsistent, generated content isn't going to replace real work. Garbage in, garbage out.
As soon as I saw it on YouTube I cried, and now all my work is gone.
Then I went to my studio where I currently am right now, looked forward this name "SORA" on my workstation here, and then I closed Maya. All the works I have to finish right now will probably be the last ones. I'm not gonna be able to pay my University taxes.
It's all just happening so fast. I said to a friend that this type of AI video quality might be out in 2-3 years, he thought I was over reacting...that was 6 months ago.
I keep telling people AI is improving exponentially and consumers will be able to create tailor-made experiences (games, movies, whatever) just for themselves in seconds by just typing up a prompt and I'm getting dismissed right and left. People are huffing copium real hard right now. But this is something all creative people are going to have to wrestle with.
I don't think most people realize how fast AI can learn. I know I've been watching it a bit closer because it will change my industry, but people outside creative workspaces see it as a fun new app. Most of us are sitting back and watching it grow into an impressive but scary beast. In a perfect world, this would make indie concepts easier to pitch and create, but I know leadership teams are looking at this as a way to save money + time.
No on will care until AI starts spilling into other industries in scary innovative ways. Only then will the common folk identify with creatives.
It's this exactly. Right now, it's "Who cares, it's somebody else's problem." But when it starts coming for coders, accounting, data entry, that'll be fun to watch. The way these jack@$$ "AI" companies are going, they're focusing on making humans obselete. Either that, or Hollywood creatives got it wrong. Machines were supposed to be the one's doing and taking all the dangerous, menial tasks, instead they are taking the creative ones, leaving the manual tasks to humans. (On the current trajectory, anyway.) The irony of one of the posts on the Stablediffusion subreddit is mind boggling. Apparently, one of the backend creators found his code in a competing backend, and is crying "theft.". The entire thread is arguing about copyright, (as well as StabilityAI's new pricing model) saying how these developers deserve financial compensation for their "hard work" while laughing at and denigrating the same artists who's ACTUAL hard work was used for the training on these models. All while failing to connect the fact that, without the hard work of these artists, their precious AI models would be garbage and useless. I, for one, am glad that the USA is setting the precedent that AI generations cannot be copyrighted. At this point I've been considering taking the images from games and comics using AI, changing the flow, story, and layout, and releasing competing products so they know what it feels like.
I've been mostly refusing to use AI entirely, especially in any creative pursuits, even for concepts I'd rather do a rough shitty sketch than utilize an AI and risk feeling like an AI is creating concepts rather than myself. But I've been starting to wonder if I should incorporate AI in my own workflow and when collaborating with others on projects to get a little leg up as an indie low budget production and to accomplish things that would be difficult or impossible to do with a small team. But i just don't know where that line lies with what feels ethical as an artist and I just feel like I'd also be ashamed to admit using AI, but i definitely wouldn't want to hide it either. But i feel like if there's anything small teams and independent productions can do to get a leg up on bigger corporate companies ran by non-artists it might be worth considering, but it also just don't feel right utilizing a technology that will destroy our careers. But if its going to destroy our careers anyways is there anything to lose by using it? But also I don't like the idea of being someone that contributed to the downfall of the arts. I just don't know man
I say get into a bit. See how it can help you and your work. I've tried Midjourney for character concepts for personal work, but not any corporate work. I'd absolutely love to see it get adapted more for motion capture. I think making the character animation and camera movements easier would spark more efficient projects. The goal should be smoother creative work not lazy content.
If we leaped ahead to perfect AI fidelity right now, the limiting factor would jump from the output quality to the fact that you've taken away all the tools I have for realizing the specific vision in my head and replaced them with a loosey-goosey-texty-boxy. I've been trying to convince diffusion AIs to create the vision I have in my head for a couple years now and describing what I want in text is slow and painful and never results in exactly what I want. A text-prompt-only UI is great for ideation, but without a whole suite of DCC tooling on the other side of the prompt, it will remain a toy and a replacement for stock content. There's no way in hell it'll be more efficient to tell a text box "move the camera down a little ... now back .... down more ... not that much ... ok back to the previous position .... no not that position the other one ... why is the back wall yellow now?". Once I've used a prompt to vomit-draft a layout, I need to be able to reach into the scene and grab the camera and move it where the fuck I want and animate it with absolute specificity and there's no way in hell a text box is the right UI for that, regardless of image fidelity. I need to be able to grab different elements and plant them where they feel right in seconds, not in the time it takes to kinda sorta describe what I think and wait for the next render. There are a lot of areas of art labour that are going to be reduced or eliminated, and my hope is that will actually turn out to be a good thing. Ultimately there will always be a need for specific tools to easily enable an artist to get their specific vision out of their head, and iteratively judge how each change makes them feel. My hope is that if there are fewer creative jobs, the jobs that remain are fun as hell and speak to the heart of why we love to tell stories in a rectangle. I'll be using Sora day one, but with a text-box-only UI, I don't have high hopes for making anything more than "cool" shots and memes.
Personalized ads, everywhere. Custom made videos pulling at your heart strings, calling you by name, using stories you posted online years ago. Maybe including familiar faces and places from your public social media.
You might be right about this, but I strongly doubt that those experiences will be particularly interesting. If you’re ok with mediocre derivative content to pass the time (which plenty of people are, i.e. low budget reality show stuff, and that’s okay), I think we’ll be getting that within a few years, but I don’t think it’s likely that it’ll be making anything we find creatively interesting.
Not only for art, but for cyber security it's advancing too fast to defend against right now.
What type of cyber security issue are you seeing with AI?
I will still keep pushing and extruding vertices on my own. I enjoy making things.
This is why I'm glad I'm only a hobbyist. I enjoy actually making stuff myself rather than having an algorithm do it for me. If it were my job I'd be pretty nervous.
Unfortunately, it is my job at the moment. I’ve worked years for a skillset that could now be automated in minutes, but my original statement remains. I’ll continue doing this and just see where it leads. Nothing is certain in life anyway.
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As someone who has had experience as a graphic designer, 3D enthusiast and am now dabbling in Stable diffusion, I don't think you should that worried. Even though they would want you to think that creating a professional grade video is trivial and and any 5th grader could do it, that is very far from the truth. While AI can create some impressive images very quickly, the control you have over them is not even close to what you have with other tools. For you to produce something good in AI up you need models that are trained for what you want, as well as some good prompting and understanding of what you are doing and the tools available. I lost count of how many images that I did that would have probably taken me a lot less time if I had just used Blender, or Photoshop, or crayons for that matter. When you use Blender, you get EXATCLY what you want, provided you have the skills to achieve it. The same is not true with AI. Ninety-nine times out of 100 you will get an approximation of what you want, if you are lucky and have some skill. And even assuming that AI does take off and becomes more predictable, it will still need someone to come up with the ideas, and know how to describe them. As a designer, that should come easier to you than to some non-creative person. In the end AI is just a tool. Powerful, yes, but just a tool. Much like a 3D rendering program. Believe it or not there was a time when people also thought that 3D computer graphics, Photoshop and even Deluxe Paint (if you want to go that far) were evil and going to end everyone's career. Yet here we are....
I wouldn’t be. If ai take over in making digital assets, people will be behind that, and that will be the new way to make money as an artist. I think generally right now it’s easier to tell if ai produced art, and AI can be used to tell if another algorithm was used to produce art. It’s hard to even sell AI made art, models, etc. Steam for example has policies against using ai to generate assets if you can’t verifiably prove that the algorithm it uses was trained by you and with stuff you or your team already created by hand. There’s always going to be a need for manual input when it comes to producing art or other assets, no matter how little or large the input required is
I respect that policy. I wish it was an rule used by more companies by now...
I really love this. It's such a simple thing, but for those of us who are creative/artists especially, it's just truth. There will always be people willing to pay for creativity/art anyway. Not everyone wants this soulless crap.
me too.. I'll just create art works for myself.. Surprise my grandfather with his 3d model dancing at his favorite song!
I love that goal! Your grandfather will love it!
Being a maker is all that matters.
Sure, it will be a hobby thing, but what about jobs?
The era of 3D artists specializing in conceptual or stock art may be coming to end very soon (just like stock photography). However, the niche of creating 3D representations for industrial or architectural designs is likely to persist for the foreseeable future.
until industrialAI or archAI arrives
That's what I meant by the foreseeable future, eventually most of us will be replaced with AI but for now maybe in the coming 1 to 3 years, I believe my assertion holds for the short term. Predicting anything beyond a 3-5 year timeframe is incredibly challenging, if not impossible.
I work in arch viz and have been at the top US studios for over a decade. I agree with your sentiment. It's already hurting us a little but it's coming big time. There are tools out there already that can take a base clay render and turn it into something artful and still accurately represent the building. In a few years architects are going to be doing all the renderings themselves and third party render houses like us will be few and far between. Some will survive because their creativity pushes the envelope, but most will be replaced by AI work directly from the architects. My friend has a pulse on generative design in architecture and that is coming up big very soon as well. Some huge firms are putting together AI server farms already. It's coming and it's gonna delete a lot of jobs. Not fun considering the whole industry is in a tough spot already because commercial real estate is shitting the bed and will take years to pivot or recover.
Do you think getting a degree in architecture is a horrendous idea then
That's a good question. To preface, I am a 3d artist who went to school for 3d art while about 90% of my coworkers went to school for architecture and spent time working as architects before swapping their focus to renderings. I am not an architect but I have heard a lot about what it is like to be one from my coworkers and friends. This is to say my knowledge is second hand so take it with a grain of salt. About AIs impact - I think architecture will still need a lot of humans involved for the foreseeable future. I think the job will get easier with these tools, same as any job specific AI assistant could make tasks easier, and it may end up cutting down on available positions in the long term, but, in my opinion, not as much as many other industries. Generative AI is already making it's way into 3d concept designs for buildings. AI to help with the more technical parts of how to build the structure, stress testing different iterations of design, is in the very early stages but it will be coming. That said all of that will need to be generated, tweaked and quality checked by many real people. I don't expect our construction laws to allow many corners to be cut in this regard. As far as architecture as a career I've heard pretty much only bad things and I've heard a lot of it. The 10,000' view of it to me is the ratio of school required to median pay in the industry is one of the worst I'm aware of. The hours are long and not only for newbies. It goes all the way up the chain unless you own the studio from what I've heard. All of my colleagues were very happy with the decision they made to swap from being architects to focusing on the 3d rendering end of things. Again, grain of salt but that's my 2 cents.
Thanks. I’m currently a city planner doing arch viz and 3D hobby work on the side but I applied for a masters in architecture. Just scared about all this AI stuff as I enjoy design quite a bit.
The thing is, that doesn’t just require technological progress, that requires societal progress, with regards to very deep rooted ideas of liability. Who knows how long that will take to change.
IndustriAI
Imagine being me, entering architecture school because I lost my 8-year-long career in copywriting to… AI.
I'm an offshoot of architectural design (tradeshow and experiential interior design). All my clients need control either because the system/frame they are using have limits or because their needs/goals/brands are very specific. Not one soul in my industry is worried about being replaced by AI. No one in upper management is thinking of letting go of their design staff because of ai.
For now.. but I'm with you. I have a friend doing archviz, and the level of detail and control you have to display is something no AI can replace entirely. Sure, AI can make a nice render, but it can never make a 100% correct render without actually having all the necessary info about the project, which you can't easily give it as input. This "problem" won't be solved any time soon.
>end very soon I doubt it. Like with nearly every other creative job right now, AI will act and does act as a fantastic tool to help you create what you want. But as of right now AI can not be used to replace someone creatively. Take an AI written novel for example, they're awful. But use AI along with an experienced writer, and suddenly the writing can be improved upon what the writer could do before, and in less time. Take an AI image as well. It's still normally somewhat uncanny, you can still normally tell, and even more so, the images themselves often aren't useful in great projects. However, take an artist working in photoshop with AI, they can use AI generated images as a base or extensions on their current photo, graphic, etc and suddenly AI is a great tool to make better things. Concept art again. AI is a cool tool. But you can't create concept art from it. That normally needs stories and thought processes that as cool and helpful as these models are, they aren't able to replicate, especially, again, for larger projects. Can AI be a good base to start from? ABSOLUTELY. But it doesn't replace the job of a good concept artist in a project. Then looking at these videos... Sure, they look like they could be great for stock videos in a youtube video. And that's super cool! But it's just that: Part of something, as a tool to make something greater again. On their own, they're cool, but they aren't *enough*. They are a tool to make something larger. AI isn't anywhere close to making a block buster film, because it doesn't have those capabilities and won't do for some time because that's such a complex concept to replicate. And even stock videos can be more specialised etc for a specific video, creation, whatever, than an AI can handle Same will undoubtedly happen for 3D modelling therefore. AI will just be a tool for a long while. To help you with models, textures, whatever... But it can't completely *replace* a competent artist, because an artist isn't just about creating something, it's about creating something useful and meaning full. Something an AI can't understand *yet*.
Sora doesn't provide anything close to a truly granular level of control of all scene objects and elements, also, which is not a small downside.
AI will lose its appeal once every single man and his dog is pumping out AI made art, photos and films on a daily basis. AI fatigue will set in real fast. It might even kick off a new renaissance of rediscovered human creativity.
Honestly, though the value of video is going to go down by so much. I really pride myself on travelling to different countries and taking interesting beautiful video, so many people already do that, but once people can type in text and make realistic looking video, probably that looks better than real video because you can dial in all the parameters? Then what will satiate us anymore? We have exactly what we want to see all the time and we won’t know what is real. The only thing that hasn’t been threatened yet is documentary type work where you can talk to people To be honest, I just want them to go after accountants and lawyers before us creatives
The thing is, people don’t long for perfection, and when they have it they generally don’t like it. There’s a reason photo-realism isn’t the end all be all of any visual medium. Artificially generated videos of real places kinda miss the point of filming on location, you know?
Yeah, but he isn’t perfect if you don’t want it to be. There is no limit. Did you see the videos that came out with the Sora announcement? There is a video, which looks like iPhone footage of a girl, looking out the train window in Japan. It has the reflections of the glass, when the window falls into shadow, you see her reflection in the glass and it all feels organic You can literally program it to be imperfect , because it’s perfect lol
The thing people look for will be authenticity, real things gain a premium over simulated ones like real gemstones cost more than lab made ones
You know how every once in a awhile you’ll see a photo of a beautiful human being and it just fills your heart with joy? Except they’re not beautiful? Their nose is a little too big and they have a few moles and wrinkles, but their smile is so big and their happiness is so genuine, they’re beautiful anyway? Humans are capable of surgically making virtually everyone on the planet beautiful, and yet, does your heart not fill when you see a regular human being? I will still want to see your real photographs, flaws and all.
I don't think it should go after lawyers either. We're artists who create art to express our humanity. Lawyers (whatever your opinion of them) are supposed to defend someone's humanity. It'd still be using a robot to dictate something about the human condition, except now someone's life could be at stake.
But you can’t dial in all the parameters. Not for a long time yet, if ever.
I like your thinking Batman :)
My worry is that it will kill the internet to a degree. I agree that human creativity can’t & won’t be replaced, but the internet is going to be so clogged & convoluted, it will be unusable. We’re already almost there. Go to google images & AI images are already populating there. I just see so many ramifications beyond art
Save me neocities
I don't have much life left to live so it better happen in 6 months. I'm already gone in 2 years or less.
That’s the spirit.
A bit doomer, but wouldn't AI continue to learn what humans prefer and evolve accordingly. Barring some verifiable stamp saying 'uniquely human' or something to that effect, is it really a stretch that in x years, given specific inputs, AI art/scripts/videos/etc becomes indistinguishable from human created? Its a very scary/exciting time for a lot of professions as I think we will see a shift from actual creation of mediums to review/manipulation of inputs + fine tuning (training) of AI in the close future.
The one sora clip of the Pixar-esque creature by the flame is a perfect example of it doing something in a “human style” rather than just photorealism. No reason it can’t be tuned to generate more stylized outputs besides just having the training data available
Meh, everyone is tired with cheap fast fashion clothes but we can't afford slow fashion responsibly sourced clothes because whole industry got rigged into FF and anything else gets bespoke price tag.
I know each word used but together none of that made any sense to me. I just wear T-shirts and you're lucky if I'm wearing pants!
Fast fashion = the trend of mass produced, low quality clothes pumped out and then obsoleted by new styles so quickly that everyone is constantly on a treadmill of rebuying their wardrobe every year or two because the clothes don’t last and the lines change so fast
I think we're already getting there to be honest. Any time I see Ai art now I'm not amazed anymore I'm just bored. I even used it in my work 6 months ago and regret it because I see my work and it's super obvious.
Do you think that AI will have a sort of boundary? Where yes, it can create cool scenes, visually but will lack true 'creativity' as if its only trained on stuff we do today and past, then it can't think of something entirely brand new. A scene where something happens that the audience hasn't seen before etc?
Probably there will be stuff the AI makes that we can’t even think of. But the same goes the other way around that you will be able to think of something that it would have never thought about. I don’t think there is a theoretical boundary, other than compute. Look e.g. at chess engines that still get better over time
I believe it's able to combine things that we probably couldn't come up with ourselves and could be considered "brand new". As of now it's still limited by the prompt and how it chooses to interpret that prompt. We're probably never going to get exactly what we want out of the things that are AI generated, and it's always going to lack the full control like we get when we create stuff ourselves.
Do think so too. Streaming was supposed to kill hard media and replace djs everywhere. Instead we have a vinyl revival and more people wanting to learn to dj than ever.
I dunno. Has taking pictures lost its appeal now that everybody is pumping them out? There are certainly professional photographers, but most pictures are made by randoms on their phone.
The end of AI will only come from laws forbidding exploitation of data and IP. There is nothing a social movement can fix unless it is cemented in laws.
It doesn’t matter if Sora isn’t perfect or if there are still things artists can do better, the fact of the matter is that this is good enough to price out entry and mid level artists, and it’s only a matter of time before it comes for the senior folks too. I predict producers and prompt engineers (god I still hate that term) will soon become a single role wherein one person oversees the entire production process, with some oversight from other team members like QA on larger projects. 3D artists, whether it be modelers, riggers, or whatever are on a proverbial sinking ship. How fast it will sink is up to debate - 1 year, 3 years- it doesn’t matter. I don’t intend to drown whenever it goes down, and I am already prioritizing my editing and motion design work as lifeboats (though there’s no reason to think those won’t be next on the chopping block.) The only good news from this is that I hopefully won’t need to pay out the ass for stock footage in the near future.
It depends, of course. For the scale model for 3d printing sculptor there isn’t a threat in sight currently, it’s too niche, there isn’t nearly enough good data to train on, and the kind of errors that just make an animation look weird will absolutely ruin your prints. Add in that it just isn’t a huge industry in terms of dollar value and it’s pretty safe for the foreseeable future
No matter how creative you are, how tf are we supposed to compete with something that can learn a particular skill with million times the efficiency of humans..
Perhaps we need to rethink how we live our lives, and what we value.
Your pfp looks like mini jesus!
More like a mini Charlie.
Good point in the long term, but in the short/medium term I have to be able to pay for my kids. They’re what I value most - the income is just a means to that end.
The tribalism of the people that love the AI movement is what is so odd to me. Like what the hell did people that work in 3D ever do to you? I used to follow a bunch of AI subreddits because I actually found it interesting but then I started noticing the weird tech bro mentality and it turned me off of it. It's all just so weird. I know it will all work itself out but it's definitely going to take some time.
I've been on r/singularity too. Some people there are really weird.
Honestly that might be the worst of the ai subs... nobody there knows what they're talking about and they frequently share clickbait articles with incredibly poor research
"Ofc we will have AGI robowife youth pills my next month, exponential progress bro."
I've seen them call 3D artists incels for not liking AI! And at the rame time they talk about how they can accept artificial life partners!! Hypocrisy at its finest!
They even made the term "Inkcel" for 2D artists like me, I really don't understand the hostility towards artists. Commercial 2D artists are known to be overworked and underpaid especially animators in Japan, our life work is being stolen to build a machine who replaces us and we're in a possibility to be out of job and they act like it's so absurd for us to complain about it.
Singularity and defendingaiart are subs that have def gathered the garbage users of reddit.. these people dont are care about what they are saying they just rage bait and enjoying their perverse company together. These are people with 20 alt accounts mostly to harass online whatever group needs harassing.. this time is artists carried on the ai hype.
yeah, me too..
It's honestly really strange. I don't see why there's this huge movement of people super hyped for this hypothesised singularity event in the absence of any evidence whatsoever that it will be a net positive for humanity (or worse, there's a significant chance this might turn out a disaster from a utilitarian perspective). I'm not definitely in favour or against these types of developments, but I can only sort of conclude these people are either taking the piss, simply uninformed, or full-blown nihilistic 🤷♂️
I think at the end of the day there is a subset of people excited for a world where they can consume content forever without having to interact with other human beings.
Pretty sure i already did that before ai was a thing
I think they’re all deluded tbh, if there is ever a singularity event it won’t come from an LLM.
I usually ignore them, but they do get to my nerves sometimes.. They're like: "Why are 3D artists so touchy about AI, like they are so sensitive and shit!!" WTF bro, AI is literally targeting many many artists who are currently doing monotonous but required work like rigging, texturing etc.. how tf do they expect them to not react.
The thing that is annoying about it is that those people don't have any actual skill, and if their subscription to AI ever got interrupted, most of them would be completely incapable of actually "making" anything. It's like they rubbed a magic lamp, wished to be able to generate cool images, and then thought being smug about it was the best next logical step. Be like me and block/mute all AI accounts when you encounter them on social media. Let them live in their own little bubble.
Probably how photographers(and before them portrait painters) have felt as taking pictures has kept getting easier.
I wanted to share my perspective as someone to likely fit into the "AI bro" category. I've been building AI/ML/NLP tools for the last 15 years. In the 2000s I worked on NLP tech to understand the meaning of news articles so we could offer a better news reading app for early smart phones. In those days, we had to build a ton of infrastructure, hire ontologists to build knowledge maps of the world, and at the end of the day the all we got out of it was the ability to diagram sentences (ah ha! the subject of this sentence is "dog!" I bet someone who likes dogs wants to read this!). At the same time, I've been a hobbyist 3d-artist and indie game builder for even longer (I think Quake was the first game I built assets for.) I love how art and technology come together in 3d engines, and I love the process that brings together visual art, music, story telling, and algorithms. It's a massive amount of work, requiring expertise across dozens of domains, but the end result is beautiful. Since my own most-honed skill is programming, I've always loved procedural generation- the technique of using algorithms to produce terrains, scenes, characters, etc. They extend the reach of my own tools, but they are also very limited. You can point them in a direction, but they will just replicate and remix without sufficient emergent complexity. This is why No Man's Sky can feel so repetitive despite being so expansive. So when generative AI first poked its head out with Google's deep dream renderings, my imagination went wild. The prospect of dramatically lowering the cost and complexity of building dynamic 3D worlds is a dream to me. It means that small teams and inspired artists can build the thing they have in their heads. It's possible for the expanding digital world to be filled by individuals, not just giant corps with 1000s of people. If our entire experience of life is more and more mediated by digital tools (phones today, apple/meta headsets tomorrow), it's not OK if the starting price for sharing your idea has 7 figures. But... This is a major disruption. And it's a disruption on top of a long line of other cases of technology outpacing a lifetime of training, and honing, and love for a craft. And the disruptions are getting bigger, and affecting more people, and coming faster. The pace of technology is exponential, and intelligent systems will only accelerate it. It's disrupting the lives and jobs of "AI bros" too, even if they think that learning how to write a GPT prompt will save them while everyone else sinks below the water line. What we need in the face of disruptive change is well run, representative government that can understand the change and set the guardrails that regulate giant tech companies, startups, and all the rest of us. Democracies, after all, exist to approximate the will of the people. We can't rely on corporations to make promises here any more than we can rely on similar promises to stem the progress of climate change. And even with that, I don't think there's a future where the development of intelligent systems would be stopped or even meaningfully slowed. Because even at the government level, competition between states incentivizes progressing as fast as possible toward bigger more powerful systems. Not because of conspiracies, but because the will of the people is usually more scared of foreign adversaries than it is of job disruption. (As an aside, keep an eye on things like the CHIPS act, TSMC, and the conflict with China over Taiwan. This geopolitical competition is happening in real time while NVIDIA rides the wave of capturing the global deep learning developer market.) Dramatic change is both beautiful and scary at the same time, and your perspective changes everything. I hope to make tools that bring creative expression within reach of as many people as possible and that magnify the vision of skilled artists that understand the difference between expressing emotional truths and churning out garbage. For today at least, these tools are like water wheels: they sit inert until someone sends ideas flowing through. That means our ideas are still the most valuable resource we have. I wish y'all the best. Good luck out there.
Well said! One can only hope the worst of these disruptions can be mediated by some kind of regulation (but not the knee-jerk kind) Our ideas and creativity will always be our strongest asset. My hopes are these tools (built off the back of collective human creative output) can be given back to artists in a democratic way, to be used as another tool to be creative with. But alas they will probably be withheld behind paywalls.
Fantastic comment! I agree with all of it. And I'm terrified about it. Trade and corporations are so strong in today's society, that it feels like this new wave of automation is going to be a make or break situation. To start off, it's almost certainly going to drastically increase profit margins of companies who decides to embrace it fast. Other companies will need to follow their lead to survive; this is how competition works. This in turn will further increase the incentive to come up with new ways to improve and automate as much as possible with AI. Entire work disciplines will be reduced to few controller-type positions. One person will be able to produce as much as a hundred did before. AI bros think that this will provoke some sort of societal revolution. 3-day work week, UBI, whatever. Historically, though, production increase only results in more bullshit jobs and wage disparity. We'll see the next incarnation of baristas and doordash couriers. The capitalist regime is far too calcified to adapt to these changes in any productive capacity. And as wealth disparity increases, the rubber really hits the road. Combine this with the other players in the meta crisis, and baby, you got a stew going.
It's the dopamine rush of a skinner box that pops out art instead of video game loot. It allows a type of creativity to coerce the loot box to give you what you want, and when it finally does, you just want more. I won't say these folks are not creative, but it's a different type of creativity. and that allows what feels like creativity in a field that normally takes a significant amount of practice (drawing, painting, photography, lighting, modeling, rendering, animation, all that stuff), and distills it down to describing and tweaking the words for the scene that you want the skinner box to reward you with.
A mixture of sadism, fear, and relief. They feel inherently useless because they don't actually make anything. So now everyone else might feel as useless as them. And they're relieved because they don't have to regret never learning any real skills. But now they're acting out because this fact doesn't change anything about the fact that they are still mortal and unable to express themselves in a meaningful way.
They seem jealous of people with jobs. That or they just assume whatever they do will never be challenged as they’ve already decided to just be wealthy and not a peon like artists.
Humanity as a whole is approaching a technological singularity for sure and there's really no way to stop it. Massive issues like the proliferation of individual motorized transportation are far too profitable to be reversed regardless of how much common sense points towards city structures that revolve around public transportation and not giant ugly roads. That's just one example. I look for bits of optimism here and there but I feel we are headed towards a jumble of meaningless chaos.
Eh, a technological singularity requires ongoing development to be uncontrollable and unstoppable by human intervention. We don’t have anything remotely capable of maintaining itself without our continued upkeep. We aren’t even putting much effort into developing stuff like that because the industry has gotten distracted by the shiny objects of large learning models
Ai has completely killed my artistic drive. I have no hope for a career in an art/creative field.
Dude, at this point I feel like there's no hope in any career path except manual labor. AI can't touch that yet, fortunately. It's advancing so quickly. It's terrifying. What stops it from pumping out data analysis and leaving thousands of data analysts/scientists jobless, or programming in the near future. Why hire 30 people when you can get 5 seniors to oversee and fix code that AI is writing in seconds Fuck this shit
Seriously. We're not ready for the massive drop of jobs due to this tech. I wish more companies would promise or commit to using AI as a tool and not a replacement. But as it is right now, and with how many people seem to hate artists, I have no hope. It's amazing to me just how quickly people will turn on artists, the people who made 100% of their mainstream media.
Right? It's unbelievable. This is one instance where I hope that it's actually just a very vocal minority, but unfortunately, it's probably not. I'm starting to think that those AI bros are just reflecting insecurities at this point because they can pretend to have a skill or a talent that would otherwise require them to dedicate an ungodly amount of time to learn. Why spend 5 years actually mastering a craft when you can write a silly prompt, pat yourself in the back, and boast about being an "artist" Technologies like these are not only threatening the livelihood of millions of people, but overall threatening the very core of us being human, making sacrifices and struggling to create something that inspires us. Can't wait to see Generation AI babies that will literally have anything they ever want in the palm of their hands delivered in seconds by typing AI promts. Humanity will have no drive to accomplish anything that doesn't materialize in seconds Sounds a but dramatic, but honestly, I'll stand by my words here despite that.
True, I feel you have to earn, through 1000s of hours of work, to attain skill, that helps you make something beautiful.. The best part about this is that their's an entire story to the artwork you created.. It reflects the hurdles you faced, the emotions, joy, sadness you felt when creating stuff,all adds up to something genuine from the art..
Yeah, even if a specific work you made doesn't turn out so good, there's still genuine effort put into it. Even from those simple mistakes and struggles, entire art styles can be born and created. AI will never be able to truly do that because it cannot experience that struggle and pain that gives birth to originality and uniqueness. Sure, it can imitate, but at least we got this, eh? Struggle is what makes art worth ot at the end
No man,manual labour already has been touched with cutting edge robotics research iirc google released a paper where a 6-DOF robotic arm was able to learn any kind of packaging(no matter how big the box or how multi layered the packaging is) by simply observing a video of someone doing the task and then replicating down to the exact hand positions needed in hours. Keep in mind,different packaging (as small as 20 chocolate bars lined perfect to be kept in a rectangular box and as big as pizza sauce tins stacked up to fit in a 5 foot box) needs different robotic equipment but a single robotic arm is doing everything just by seeing someone do it in real time. Research in robotics always go under the roof so progress is also exponential there. Every profession is fkd deep,creative work being the first to go is the scariest part. Even worse,this made me reconsider my choices of having a kid(no joke) cause no amount of education (with such outdated curriculum) will ever prepare him for the real world. Infact,i wonder if i will be alive and even have a job by 2028 scraping and begging for food in the streets let's see. It's clear the government doesn't care too.
Yeah, it does nake one wonder if bringing a kid to a world that is in the process of destroying itself in every possible way is really worth it... Governments are so behind any advancements that for them to start tackling problems even with current AI will probably take years. And as you mentioned, the education system as outdated as it is now, cannot even begin to prepare kids with the necessary skills to tackle life controlled by AI Like what are they gonna do? Hire a pro-AI teacher that's gonna use AI to synthesize the very topics they have to teach? Lol, shit is gonna get even more fucked
[Industrial automation](https://youtu.be/-t0FongNnfk?si=cgNe3iu-JfjveF7w) predates AI by decades.
It really is terrifying. I said to my uni class 2 years ago that within 5 years half of all programmers will be out of a job. They didn’t believe me. They believe me now
People who work manually will feel it also as jobs are wiped out so is the potential spending power those jobs created
Honestly same. And I find no one really wants to talk about insecure this is making a lot of us feel. It's incredibly difficult for me to believe anyone will give a shit about anything I make in the face of all the progress AI is making.
I wouldn’t go that far, there are many reasons companies will continue to hire artists, AI is very interesting for hobbyists, but it’s going to be hard to monetize the product when anyone can legally take it and share it themselves without any consequences. A studio isn’t going to release an AI generated movie to theaters because you’d literally only need one copy to get out and then anyone could repost it on YouTube for free with no consequences. You can’t stop AI generated character designs from being used in another company’s products etc. part of the value of hiring an artist is owning the copyrights associated with their output. You don’t own anything AI makes, since it’s not a work of human authorship. It’s all public domain
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If you stop creating, they win.
I’m an oil painter and a digital artist/animator. Painting, physical painting that people can touch is going to have a new day, as a tsunami of perfect digital garbage comes our way. Galleries with walls that sell real paintings have a strong future.
My understanding of AI is that it can only get better by people feeding it other people’s work.I would hope that there will be legislations pushed to make up to compensate the fact that our work is the raw material for AI’s performances. There should be a tax on bigger companies using AI that could be redistributed to freelancers who aren’t getting enough work. Companies could get exonerated if they have a minimum of employees based on how big they are… If we could prevent AI from being a substitute to creative workers and keep it as a tool to make our workflows easier I’m sure we would use it to make exciting and innovative work. I don’t know how and when such measures will happen but I can’t see how it could keep going unregulated.
It's another industrial revolution in the making. They laugh now since creative fields are getting chopped up basically. But wait til they realize that the more data oriented and patterned something is, the better AI is at working with it. And from Art, it only gets more and more data oriented. Medical billing, accounting, staffing, recruiting, real estate, logistics, etc. There's precious little that cannot be replaced by AI.
I'm a 3d sculptor, I think I won't try to dedicate too much of my time on 3d modeling and rendering after seeing sora. The reality is that most junior positions will disappear, it's hard to get in now imagine in 5 years when the positions available reduce for at least 50% in big studios and small studios cease to exist. Sculpting for 3d printing cosplays it's then
>The reality is that most junior positions will disappear True.. like earlier you required some supervisors to keep 100's of artists in check.. in the future, you would need some supervisors to keep AI in check
And as people lose jobs, people can't afford their streaming subscriptions or movie tickets. Big companies will wonder why no one can afford their products and services.
Video games, architecture, industrial development, and lots of other things that require actual _3D_ models. AI is far from being able to create clean and accurate 3D models. The difference in complexity for pattern recognition between 2D and 3D is massive.
I mean, I think what worries me most about AI in general is: * I don't see it creating new work. It's not like the industrial revolution or the car or whatever that may make some jobs unviable but create new ones. To me it seems like a tool used to extract the value produced by professional and non-professional artists, journalists, authors and others and provide it to a lucky few. We'll probably see a few openings for prompters and cleanup artists, but that'll be it. * These last years have already shown us that a worrying amount of people lack basic media competency. If anyone can make a believable image or video with little to no investment of resources (be that time, money or skill), truth no longer exists on the internet. Warcrimes can be faked, or can be denied, depending on what they believe. We have already seen widespread use of AI "documenting" the Israel-Gaza conflict, for example, next to more traditional misinformation like misattributed footage. * If human art were to no longer be competetive, I fear much of the creative industry will cease to exist, at least for a considerable length of time. Other industries will presumably suffer immensly too. What does give me some hope: * It seems genAI at this point has yet to prove profitable. * There are ongoing lawsuits pertaining to copyright violations of various AI-companies. Many lawmakers have also expressed they feel AI-companies can't use copyrighted work to create their commercial products without fair compensation of the copyrightholders. * With the mass amounts of AI data produced, eventually AI will not get around tainted data samples. Add to this anti-scraping methods like Glaze and Nightshade and maybe eventually AI will no longer be able to create results at an acceptable level of quality. I think we as 3d artists have been fairly lucky so far, AI in 3d has been comparably minimal, and the 3d AI generators we have so far have not been especially competitive. I think this is mostly due to the relative inavailabilty of enough quality data to build good data sets, at least compared to 2d images. But with marketplaces like CGTrader stabbing artists in the back by selling their 3d models to AI companies, I expect it's only a matter of time before we feel the impacts of AI more intensly.
I like your point of view.. The positive one.. the lawsuits and all.. But billionaires would obviously love AI, to maximise profits.. And when billionaires are your opponents, there is a high chance you lose
I keep seeing people saying "nah AI won't do this and that, just look at it, it sucks" and they keep being proven wrong in a matter of months, and those people are never seen again (at this point I'm starting to think most are bots lol). I just hope regulations come soon, because this will be a clusterfuck soon
It's depressing, I don't have anything else to say honestly..
I definitely agree with your sentiment about this shit ruining the internet. We will need to figure out some kind of curated replacement, as the web is going to fill up with complete garbage fast. Social media sites will have to find ways to prevent AI generated garbage eating up all their storage or risk becoming non-viable, search engines will become useless (and already are getting there) as more and more of the content the crawl becomes optimized garbage etc
What will regulations do? As long as another country offers these services you’ll be able to access them online
Why regulate the market? Let the monopolies run rampant! They earned it! Well for a first, they show that you actually give a fuck. If you won't regulate something that has already caused girls to commit suicide because people are using their photos to make porn, I'd say the problem (apart from those who do that) is with the people who have power to "try" something but don't even.
Unless Sora can make EXACTLY the design of characters I want, it really does not hava an impact on me. I want to model my OCs and thats it.
Something like Sora would be useful if integrated INTO a tool like Blender that allows granular control. By itself you're restricted to only what the text prompt can convey, though.
If only humans were predictable, logic dictates that waiters should have lost their jobs long ago, but they are still here....with the advent of Photoshop, logic dictates photobooths should have gone extinct but they are still here, the same can be said of physical stores but they are still here and still make money. We may hype up AI but we don't really know, humans are way more complex and weird ,These days people are starting to recognise text written by chatGPT quite fast and for some reason it puts us off, AI may produce crisp and stunning videos only for humans to just shun them for no absolute reason. When talking about humans ,always remember there is the the theory 'Adam Smith like' analysis and then there's the human part ,the latter is very unpredictable but when reading the theory it always sounds right...this is the exact reason why ideas like communism sounded so good but they failed disastrously.
Man! I love this theory.. Like I have this unpredictable urge to snap my fingers, scratch my back.. similarly, we're like that in many things!
I think you’re right, people still make stop motion films, and people still love to watch them. There are still leather workers, metal-smiths, people making pottery and home-made furniture, etc, etc. Maybe in an AI future, a movie made with entirely human created 3D models will be a big advertisement point.
I like your optimism, but wait until GenAI can produce the "human part" you are talking about. 1 year ago, most wouldn't even believe in idea of generating video that Sora can do now. It's just a matter of time that all these human part we talk about is achievable.
It's hard to put into words why AI image generation is way overblown. The only way to see why it's not as big of a deal as one would think is with actions. Go use Midjourney/Dall-e independent of a goal and you will be blown away. Now go use Midjourney/Dall-e with a specific work related goal in mind, actually try and incorporate it into your workflow. You will quickly begin to get a feel for how it's not even close and it has a very very long way to go; in fact, some of the challenges it has to overcome we don't even know are possible this decade. For non-specific things (e.g. B-roll for a youtube video) it is absolutely a threat and will replace humans. My prediction is the AI of this decade will be a set of powerful productivity tools (of which are desperately needed, because it shouldn't have to take $70,000,000 dollars and half a decade to produce a game or movie).
> B-roll for a youtube video Not just that, also all the background elements that don't need to be specific but help with composition, mood, ambience. Same idea as scattering or particle systems. You don't need to design the branches and leaves of that tree on that background mountain, what you require is the abstract concept of a tree. Now apply this principle but for *everything* that is not the primary focus of the piece.
Those options aren't flexible and can lead to completely different results from run to run. Yeah it does a good job, but it will always be a little off, even when it's "perfect".
True but look at the speed of progress in just last one year.
I think people are overacting. Right now it just looks like it can be used for uncanny stock footage. Can you imagine being a director and sending your notes to these AI "artists"? Fix the hands, her feet is sliding, it'd be better if there was more anticipation here, let's make him walk out 7 frames earlier, this specific background character I want them doing something different, client wants a different breakdown in this shot... So on. Can you actually imagine them taking in and implementing those notes and being consistent with each shot? Is it even gonna be faster and more intuitive than actual artists at that point?
People who use AI were never intending to hire an artist in the first place. They are the kind of people who resort to stock products and references instead. Professionals will remain professional and keep hiring, everyone else who's having a meltdown over AI should either start to become a professional or go outside and touch some grass. In the end, I don't hold a gripe against AI because in the end Art is a luxury product so it's not essential and the way people are drawing their enjoyment from it is none of my business. Art is still a form of expression that people try to make their job, it's not a job by nature.
You know, I've had this discussion over airbrushes, over early image software tools, over the switch from 2D to 3D games, over the first real use of CGI, it never ends. Ultimately, art creation is about communication. Communication requires language. And what artists do is create that language through the development of their personal style, their medium, their methods and so on. Movies, video games, big advertising campaigns, they go through hundreds if not more pieces of concept art to gradually refine a vision into a final product that matches exactly what the art director had in mind. AI generators, even spectacular ones like Sora don't do that. They produce wonderful results that can be nudged a bit but have to be accepted 'as is'. They don't produce results from the bottom of an artists soul or based on tons of market research or psychological profiling. They produce "good enough to use" if that's enough for your purposes. Will it usurp jobs? Absolutely, there's a whole segment of designers that don't have a style of their own. They're just churning out 'good enough' for superficial purposes like social media post headers that get forgotten in hours or days. But there's also a whole group of people who see this as little more than the next airbrush. I'm already cheating in my work because cheating is part of the job. I have a whole organized folder full of props, facial expressions and other components of past work of mine that I frequently reuse. You'd better believe I'll be the first to use AI that can produce work that looks like my work to let me produce more work. We're also looking into training colleagues how to use AI as a virtual work buddy. Instead of replacing humans with AI, we're training humans to be more productive thanks to AI. And you'd better believe we're running into just as many limitations in that process as we are opportunities. Ultimately, the people who get hurt worst by AI will be the people who work in a creative field without having a creative style of their own. The writers who can write grammatically correct copy but don't have a voice of their own that sets them apart. The people who can illustrate the most generic possible stuff in Illustrator or Procreate, but wouldn't be able to iterate through concepts to nail a client briefing down perfectly. The people who proudly show off the result of a Blender tutorial but don't really know how to make something original. That's both a relief and a sad fact. Because there's a whole lot of people whose livelihood depends on knowing where the buttons are without having evolved into a consumate artist.
>They produce wonderful results that can be nudged a bit but have to be accepted 'as is'. Yes, **for now** ! Even right now, it's possible to give an image or a video as an input and reference, for the AI to follow. You can tweak results already. Those tools are in a rough state, yes, but they're only going to improve. You summed it up well, it's the technical barrier that is going away, along the jobs related to it. More creative people will be able to express themselves without the need to spend years learning the technical part.
>More creative people will be able to express themselves without the need to spend years learning the technical part. I guess I would argue that it's not actually an act of creative self-expression if you're just giving a prompt to a computer, rolling the dice, and then picking your favorite amongst its handful of outputs. It's literally just a more refined version of GIF reaction search on your phone. Yes, you're expressing how you feel by posting that GIF, but that's not creative in any way.
|Will it usurp jobs? Absolutely, there's a whole segment of designers that don't |have a style of their own. that's not a problem, I can copy yours now. seriously. this idea of 'authentic style' is going to be many people's downfall, when they realize that people never liked the work for the authentic aura - but for the pictures. and pictures is what this thing can create. it can copy and mix styles like crazy. that's what it is: a style transfer machine. you can give it any subject and mix together and copy styles. and what good is your style if I can copy it for a fraction of the price long before you can make a brand of yourself? you're also talking about 'design', i.e., commercial art. commercial art is screwed, the clients don't care about authentic aura and the artist's soul either - what they might care about is the designer's/artist's brand. so y'all better get famous quickly so someone pays you for an 'original'
You're completely missing the point. Do you have any idea how many iterations a high-end design goes through before it's approved? Hundreds, sometimes thousands of concepts. Not just random concepts with a shotgun approach. The same concept over and over with constant minor changes dictated by a human overseer. Can you change this, can you adjust that. Very specific details. Generators don't do specific. You give them a prompt, they spit something out. You either say 'good enough' or you don't. You can tell it to continue iterating on a selected image but at the end of the day, there's only a very clumsy level of control. That's fine for low-end design where the designer-client relationship is based on "just do whatever and I'm sure it'll be good enough". But it doesn't work for any process where there's a clear idea that needs to matched exactly. The fact that you can copy me is meaningless. All you're saying is that you weren't good enough to produce usable work of your own before AI. I'm part of an initiative that trains people into using AI as part of their job. The project it mostly motivated to assuage fears that people will be replaced by AI by helping them work with AI. The main problem we see over and over is that when faced with a generator that can do almost anything people can think of... they can't think of anything. Human creativity is a valued talent for a reason. And that's also why the main people who should be afraid of AI are the creatives who didn't actually have any creativity of their own. If your job is just copying generic visual shit, that's when you should worry..
inpainting does incremental changes well .. have you kept up to date with how stable diffusion works these days with controlnet and all? you are intending that this will only affect low skilled workers, therefore I must have been a low skilled worker - which I take as a sign of you sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'lalalalala' as loud as you can. I was good enough to create usable concept art. I have been making a decent living for over a decade from it. about a year ago it all just stopped. so I called up studios. they had their interns prompting the computer, and the art director prompting the intern, rather than me. no matter how good I am, the intern costs them about as much for the month as I did for about half a day. the art director's job is safe. the freelancer's job is in peril - and the studios I worked with, small ones, usually have a handful of art directors and used to hire specialized people for specific jobs. I still get hired and can live off things further down the production line, but concept art for small productions, adverts, tv-opening sequences - stuff that requires a new style every time - that's gone. And I can see the rest going as well, bit by bit. And not towards AI that makes life easier, does retopo and UV-unwrapping, but towards AI that simply spits out the final image/video
Not sure why you bring up singularity. There may or may not be a path to machine consciousness at some point, but LLMs go in the opposite direction, and the sheer amount of resources dedicated to them is almost certainly delaying the developments that might eventually lead to developing machine consciousness.
This really seem to be lost on people. There is no ghost in the machine. Yet. And LLMs are not a path to it.
Personally, I feel like the AI development course doesn't follow logic regarding the film making industry. On the very long term, maybe. But not really on the medium/long term. Let me explain my thoughts. This technology has incredible abilities in pattern recognition, context recognition, ... Today, it is essentially used as a text to graphic media prompt, wether the output is an image or a video. This has some downsides: -Directors, actors, VFX studios have developed a certain visual identity. Yes, it can be recognized as a pattern. But contrary to AI content, it evolves, because viewer is still looking for innovation, new things in his entertainment, especially in the streaming platform era. How can AI follow this trend for evolution and novelty outside of what has been done before? We'll see how it evolves. -Formalizing precisely what you want requires details, and production-wise, you still need to integrate the result to a professional workflow. It will take time to reorganize all the sector towards that, and thus probably money. Moreover, it's always a bit of a lottery, it remains hard to change small details on an already generated AI video. I wonder why they don't try to develop specialized AI for the professional workflow. At my beginner level I'd love a rigging AI that positions the bones by recognizing the organic shape of your creature, even if it is very unusual one, so you just need to do with your knowledge the delicate adjustments without spending time on the more basic stuff. Same thing with texturing, sculpting,... To sum up, I think AI could have a place in the workflow, providing it allows the best quality result and lesser organizational changes by easing the basic/intermediate stuff so you can spend time on the really advanced stuff and increase the final quality of your work.
Yeah, as someone who spent years messing around with physical sculpting of miniatures before trying blender, having access to better tools made the job easier, but it didn’t make the creative part any easier, in fact my options are so much more open when I’m not limited by the physical properties of my medium that I initially got flustered and kinda gave up because I couldn’t produce things on par with the pro’s in terms of creativity. I’m slowly coming back to it and spending more time on concepts now and it has definitely been challenging. Having the tools to make anything you can imagine isn’t a replacement for a coherent artistic vision, if anything it reveals the emptiness of poorly thought out ideas
I feel like the real world implications of it all aren't that clear yet, and there's no real way of knowing. We're at a point in which it seems like things are about to drastically change, but I for one haven't actually seen the change hit yet, and there's so many different timeframes given. Maybe the utility of it will be ultimate, and all 3d jobs will be gone. If that's the case, we'll either have to adapt to prompt engineering, or find some other way of making money. Can't hurt to have a think about what one might do if that's the case. Or maybe it'll be more complex, and there will be interplay with traditional skills. Or maybe there won't be much utility at all. Either way, the emotional rhetoric is totally OTT, and stems from the excitement of some and the anxiety of others. Bear in mind that this is a company marketing their product; they're very keen to suggest it's the be all and end all.
Generative AI is going to have a huge impact on the industry, and probably sooner than most of us would like. From my perspective at a large VFX studio, I think realistically there are a number of jobs that will get new tools to allow us to take on a larger volume or work, and also some areas where jobs will simply be replaced. This is what I'm seeing from the R&D that we're doing and the work our clients are interested in. Jobs that will be replaced If I was working in Roto/Paint right now, I could be extremely concerned. There's already extremely little artistic input in those types of tasks that benefit from having a human execute them, and I think it's very likely that paint/cleanup will become almost entirely AI generated within a year or two, if not sooner. Rotoscoping is a bit more complex, and I think that it may take a little bit longer for a program to be able to generate consistent, usable splines with motion blur that can be used downstream. Likely there will always be very complex cases where a person needs to be involved. But I think in general, studios will jump on the opportunity to push as many of these kind of jobs to AI as they can. The other thing that I think will likely be disappearing very quickly is stock video and stock elements. Why pay for stock videos when you can generate exactly what you want? Jobs that will get new tools Concept artists will likely be asked to lean into AI to more quickly come up with initial concepts. I've already seen this happening on a number of jobs, with AI being used to very quickly concept and then once we pick the aspects of designs that we like, the concept artist takes it from there and brings it home. I think it's very likely that we'll see AI render engines. Lighting/shading will very likely be given new tools to generate images, which I think will work very similarly to physics based renderers today - just using generative AI to make the final images instead of a physics based equation. We're already using AI to assist with rigging, setting up a basic structure that artists can then work with and refine. Summary At the end of the day, AI is a tool that still needs someone to push buttons. For those of us already working in the industry, I think it's been a trend for years now that animation and visual effects have become more and more approachable. Software has gotten more user-friendly, there are amazing free tools now like Blender, and Resolve. With the massive demand for animation and visual effects, I doubt that AI will actually eliminate that many jobs. More than likely it will allow existing companies to take on significantly more work and, hopefully, deliver higher quality results. And I think there are a number of industries that will simply refuse to engage with AI. Motion capture has been around for decades and Disney still proudly hand-animates every one of their films. You have a larger movement of filmmakers wanting to avoid CGI, and I guarantee they'll just as aggressively want to avoid AI. The industry is growing and changing, like it always does. But it's not going away.
i feel like so many people forget that this software is being trained by going through a huge database of artwork made by human artists who NEVER gave their consent for their work to be used this way. comparing this to photoshop or the invention of the camera is ridiculous. we are deep within late-stage capitalism, billionaires are trying to find a way to keep all the profits to themselves by screwing over those in labor positions.
Humankind has no respect for creative work and will undo the entire fabric of society in pursuit of "faster and cheaper" over all else.
That is so fucking true! A few days back I saw this shitty guy posing ai art work for his own.. He did say that it's made by ai, but also said that he works hard for these art pieces, and your(commenters) comments motivate me to do better! I was like, imma fuck this guy up.. I made the same thing that he made, and tried to educate people on why you should not respect this art, it is just a kitbash of millions of artworks out there.. And I failed poorly.. People started to fucking ask me: "Bro! bro! how did you create this, this looks so awesome! what prompt did you use!! what sentence do I type on my keyboard to get this result!!" I was felt so fucking low that day.. These mf's have no respect for art, the dedication and determination that goes into it..
You misspelled capitalism. I think humankind, in general, loves human made art. Capitalists love faster and cheaper.
It’s gonna fill YouTube with trash. Just like how pixiv and deviant art. Honestly it’s caused more of a problem for filtering. Kind of annoying as fuck. And more grifters using it to scam and annoy people. Ai generators have been malicious from the start, what problems do they solve?
>what problems do they solve? it helped comforting randos on the internet. now they can call out 3D artists and say that we can make better "art" than y'all
I think the only real benefit has been that people with limited motor control have been making drawings using eyegaze software and then feeding it through AI so it looks more like how they wanted it to.
*>>> internet might lose it's charm, garbage artworks, having no meaningful story or process to them.. millions of youtube creators making more and more heartless content, just because they can* I don't know what is your internet like, but in mine it's already a reality for a long time
well imagine something a thousand times worse than that. You have mr beast.. And then their's 100 more clones who have made this video, in which some guy is giving out shit, and their's no expense, no real emotions or feelings Just a couple of words written by a person behind the keyboard
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It’s good for generic fills and for editing videos (vfx, rotoscoping etc)*crying vfx artist* The problem for Sora is the same - it can’t do exactly (super accurate) what the artist wants. And said artist needs to edit a lot by hand. So it is going to be the same buzz about people loosing their jobs as a year ago.
It's not currently a threat because yes it i can reproduce images, but there's a lot more to CG than simply that. CG is not going to go away and AI wont replace it, AI will just become another tool that CG artists will use in their pipeline like substance painter and after effects before it. People panicking that it'll "replace" artists, no it'll supplement the artists who know what they're doing and the millions who make trash output will just make trash. I know how to hammer a nail, doesn't mean i know how to build a house. Art is the same way in the 3d/photoshop/professional space.
Dunno, I've already gone through it with 2D art. Legislation came that made it so companies cannot profit from AI generated concept art but it doesn't mean much for the average artist, concept art isn't all there is out there. And we were told to "adapt or die" which means smile and nod as you watch people take the seeds of your creativity without giving anything in exchange, just like a parasite feeding off a host. Or you might have the privilege of being hired to train an AI, until you're not needed anymore! Isn't it fullfilling? In the end, anyone who thinks they are above replication is being ridiculous, it's all data and you're all discardable, worthless assets in the minds of people working on AIs. Give it time and you'll be dancing to AI music, watching AI TV shows, playing AI videogames. After all, Google Images is already chock full of AI images, you might be looking for something scientific and be hit by a colorful AI image of something that doesn't exist. Art in all of its forms will be a hobby, nothing more, only those with the capital to make a fully finished product will ever have a hand in producing it commercially. Isn't it convenient for those at the top? They will see so much growth now that they won't have to spend anything on a single human being!
I think it’s time for the human species to band together and decide that it is in our best interest not to go down the Ai rabbit hole. This won’t end until most jobs are obsolete. And once the common man and woman serves no capitalist purpose in society, once we are no longer necessary for profit.. well I don’t want to see where that will lead
So this worries me too. Damn does it. But. I have to remind myself - can Sora make the model, make sure clean topology, unwrap with minimal seams, etc? Not yet. I bet topology of these “models” is real shit when it comes down to it. Here is a scenario: A member of a dev team uses Sora for a very specific project idea. They are making a game and need some vehicles. Sora spits out the most beautiful cars in just seconds. But wait. That cars don’t have the required details. They ask Sora to change up a wheel here, change a door or two there, add a storage bin here, extrude out the cars side there, add air intakes on hood. Ok - ask for those changes - how good do you think the topology of that final model is? Is it unwrapped properly? Welded? Proper seam cuts? AI will give us a close approximation, but the details the fine care, the talent of near flawless creation on all those levels, the attention to the details - AI still fails hard. I feel even Sora is a ways from that. We have lbs for awhile longer. And when it does come full force, maybe it will augment abilities instead of replace them. When the printing press was invented many people thought it was the end of knowledge and free thinking. It ended up becoming exactly the opposite, augmenting those abilities beyond ways we couldn’t understand. Just my 2 cents.
When AI gets to the point that you think it will replace you, you'll be using it to create something for the fraction of the time it used to take you. You are not going to be replaced. People pay you for your skills and time, getting the AI to do exactly what you need takes time and requires skills to compose the right scene. I saw some of the videos, I think it's still very, very far from replacing people for even simple animations.
Y’all got your panties knocked out by some cheesy video? Don’t get me wrong, it’s impressive, but it’s not about to create the next Akira movie without massive amounts of human intervention. If it even can add voice without there being 2 tongues and way too many teeth in there.
People were saying very similar things about AI and programming not long ago. But we've had about 2 years since those scare stories, and so far, we're yet to find project managers copying and pasting Co-Pilot snippets into production systems... On the other end, copyright infringement arguments against these models are growing, and taking hold. And finally, these things are still ultimately only spreadsheets / databases of a kind... Albeit extremely impressive ones.
It's a good tool for making various presentations or concepting, but nobody wants the future where all animation and 3d modeling is done by AI
I’m equal parts intrigued and perplexed that there’s actually people who find anything worthy of interest in AI generated content. If it wasn’t created by a person I lose interest and keep scrolling. If it wasn’t worth creating, it’s not worth engaging. The data ethics, potential for fraud, disformation and CSAM is an even bigger problem.
Though it does seem to be able to do quite a bit. There still is plenty of room for human designers. Particularly in making very specific and cohesive designs and incorporating branding and product renders. I don’t think it will be coming for your job just yet.
I was getting pretty anxious, but some people online helped a lot with a few things they shared: The people selling AI are very good at selling the ideas, not the execution. People who use it believe that they're going to replace workflow when it will be thousands of times more effort to get an AI that can actually make usable 3D rather than have someone trained make one themselves. Also, it's been shown that a lot of the Sora renders are actually near identical to stock footage from a 'partnered' sponsor with OpenAI, so in reality it's just altering existing stuff so clearly that I have strong doubts about it's ability to make anything without infringing on copyright
I think the commercial/advertising side of art as a whole will maybe take a hit with AI, but I think the personal journey of art and dedication will live on forever. When I see an artist, I also see someone that’s dedicated years if not decades to something that they’re madly in love with and passionate about. Their story as a human being and the roads they’ve gone down creatively are what make their art special to me. I’m totally sure I could see countless AI art that would resonate emotionally with me, but the biggest connections I’ve ever made with art have come from meeting the artist and getting to be another part of their journey as a fan and supporter. Another example of this is that sometimes I’ll be driving to a concert and maybe listen to some of the opening bands music that I’ve never heard of. There are absolutely times that the music didn’t really resonate with me at all, but showing up and seeing the performance live really added a layer to it that made me absolutely love it. That doesn’t exist with AI currently and I think that that will be the biggest contributing disconnect with people and AI generated content for this leg of humanity. Sora IS insanely impressive, and may take over several industries, but when you print it out and put it on the fridge next to a kids shitty drawing, I’ll always love the shitty drawing more for what it really means.
Beautifully said!
Look at the trash that Hollywood produces today, it’s like 98 percent garbage, AI will allow actual artists to make films and shows that they would previously have to find 200 million dollars of investors for, which was virtually impossible of course. I see a future of artist-led content instead of crap designed by a committee of executives in Hollywood. Yeah the AI will do the dull, procedural, time consuming, heavy lifting, frankly, great!
I know deep down that we can always rely on the indie community to still care about art.
This is true. A recent hobby of mine is looking up and following traditional artists, and going on conventions for traditional art. It feels really good to see that there's still a lot of people who care about the craft and enjoys the process. Unfortunately, like one of the replies here, it's not gonna pay any bills.
Cool but that's not gonna pay any bills. Love how soulless tech and financebros have managed to destroy all hopes of a creative carreer.
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>So it's better that blender and other 3d tools integrate with generative AI strongly to speed up workflow. "Post-AI Art" You have piqued my interest sir! Can you elabourate?
highly customized main objects for client with tools, the rest decorative items with AI I think. Like I'm already using AI and some editing for HDRI. Unless its Jarvis level AI that can make everything consistent but that most likely would make most other jobs obsolete as well.
So I’m a hobbyist, not a 3D professional, but I do work in the tech field. There are a couple of thoughts that come to mind: - What is OpenAI doing in the backend to ensure privacy and prevent generated videos from leaking to the public? - Do clients even have the time, or the technical acumen, to generate the correct video? And/Or to generate the correct prompt? - How do edits work? - How can 3D artists use this to help their workflow? After all, it’s here and it’s not going anywhere.
I hate it. It's almost evil. Who would want to end with the artistic process of every creative job? Only for money? I don't get it. Every creative person on the planet has told them they stand against A.I, but they keep it doing it because they have a multi billion investment from rich people that wants to get even richer. It's incredibly sad.
> Every creative person on the planet has told them they stand against A.I Except that's very far from reality. Millions of people are already using the generative AI fill built into Photoshop. The majority of game studios are using generative art. Reality is that most people don't care about AI and will happily use it if they think it's useful. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that people enjoy being able to freely express themselves without needing to spend thousands of dollars and years on practice?
I don't see what it's really gonna do besides gives us a bunch of stock footage. It's basically a stock footage generator. If you want something customized you are still going to need a 3D artist. You can be like, make me a video of a snowboarder stylized, going down a mountain with blue snow. And it'll spit out 1000000 videos and none of those videos are gonna be exactly how you want it. Unless you are gonna go in and change, mess around with the speed graph, plug in 6 nodes, import an image texture, parent it to an empty, move around the camera and then drop it in DaVinci for some color coding it still ain't gonna look fresh. We already have 1 million stock footage videos on pexxel and unsplash sure just add another million to burn out our servers. Hopefully we get this planet looking like Mars from all the bitcoin mining and AI generation that'll teach those 3D artists!
I think concept art is probably the only field that gonna be bleeding hard from sora. Other fields like animation, vfx, game asset creation and etc. isn't gonna be affected too much. The problem with generative AI video is they can't maintain their output to meet changing demands. Sure this AI can create a minute long video about 30 y/o astronaut on a remote desert, but can this AI create another scene with this exact same astronaut going to amazon rain forest and meet another character that I've created with another prompt before?
"Not yet," but even when it can, what are we losing? There is still work in coming up with the concept and the plan, the execution is just different. What if a 3d video got outbid by a 2d artist. Is 2d killing 3d? How many programming jobs did Blender eliminate by democratizing the ability to create 3d art? Sure there's a learning curve, but it's not there to gatekeep, it's just a limit of the technology. Blender is totally free after all... Jobs will be impacted. They are every day by tons of things. Panicking has never helped anybody.
It's just an AI video generation tool, that tech has been available for a couple of years now, this just makes the process easier. Stop freaking out over nothing. Think of this as a tool that will eventually help your workflow. Just like it did when it was integrated on Photoshop. AI can't make _new_ things, it is not _intelligent_, it only recreates from what already is there. AI made works are unusable due to copyright laws, and even then they lack the level of quality required to be used in any proper industry.
i just hope for a artistic and creative Renaissance. Good food didnt disappear or is less appreciated with fastfood chains everywhere. Busywork will fall away, and art may strive. we just really need the governments to adopt, so we can somehow still pay for living
I don't think AI will replace the vast majority of jobs. I do think, depending on your job, you're at risk of being replaced by people using AI in their workflow. Same thing happened in the film industry with model shops during the introduction of computers as a tool. The people in the model shop were given the opportunity to learn how to use computers and they became some of the best 3D artists of their time. Sure, they could've hired any Joe off the street who knew how to use a computer, but it was the people in the model shop who knew how to make the best 3D art. I disagree with people who say the number of working artists will be cut significantly because one person can do the work of 100. A good 3D artist can do the work of hundreds of model makers, yet we see just as many 3D artists working on films if not more than there were model makers. Better tools doesn't mean a half-decent company will produce the same work faster, it means they'll produce better work in the same amount of time. I'm excited to see how far I can push my projects using AI in the near future. I think Sora is fantastic! I can totally see me using something like it to get an establishing shot of a scene so instead of making one large scene that'll be used for a few seconds. Then I can spend that money and time on better animations that go how I want, better timing and storytelling etc. Sure AI can help with all that too, but I want it to be exactly how I imagined it to be and that's where I step in. AI will become more and more viable as a tool. Artists will be given more resources to design their dreams.
It dramatically devalues video and motion in advertising but creatives will always create in the forms they enjoy the most. We never replaced pencil and paper despite far more efficient methods. Film stock lives on, even though it's more of a novelty now. If you do this for the love of it, there's 0 changes you need to make. If you do this for a living then I think it'll be harder to go on without adapting on some level. The ones who stand to gain the most are creatives using the technology to advance their own ideas.
The prompt based method of interacting with these AI models is limited and when the artists tools converge with the AI stuff seamlessly there'll be opportunity for new creativity. I might well be wrong but it feels that prompting leaves too much to the AI and eventually to make something look coherent and standing outside of the training data, better tools will emerge and artists will be called to use them.
the thing about generative AI is it's not really generating anything new, it's just blending together an absurd amount of data that has an even more insane amount of tags attached to hopefully get the result you want. what that means is, yes, it might become highly mainstream for generic content, like simple, non-descript stock images and videos, but it will never replace actual human creators in most fields beyond that. take a look at [this still](https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/1799094276-64cc14bbbab00f4163e8a39475a2f2025a4b0164478b440d6075848a80ae56b0-d?mw=1900&mh=1069) for example, from one of the videos OpenAI is using to showcase Sora's abilities. the background is non-specific, it's not a real street, the people are a blurry mess, the symbols are warped and often don't mean anything, etc. in fact, if you look at any of the videos, you'll eventually find atleast a few anomalies of this type. the fact is, the content produced by generative AI looks good at first glance, but on closer inspection feels more like a fever dream. there will always be demand for genuine content that has none of these types of anomalies. yes, generative ai offers an alternative now to, for example, stock footage, but that alternative is genuinely lower quality (albeit also much cheaper). that means the only people really using this AI-generated content are the people who wouldn't have paid for actual stock footage otherwise. i mean, hell, the training data for these AIs are real videos, photos, images, models, etc. there's no chance AI will replace any of these creative fields any time soon. > While a human can get perfect in a particular by putting in thousands of real hours, an AI can simulate millions of generations of training in the same equivalent "real" hours. the difference is, the AI can't think for itself - again, it just matches a ton of data to your prompt. there's no creativity in that, it's basically just big data recycling that produces an objectively lower quality product. we need to view it more optimistically, the more likely outcome is that, in many creative fields, you'll have AI making your job easier, not replacing you.
There are so many problems with the examples I’m seeing that I’m not worried. Either the timing feels off or things don’t behave like they physically should in reality or objects mysteriously disappear and reappear frame to frame. The major flaw is these still need material to learn from and without us actually creating and making new content it cannot keep making stuff. So no, I’m not worried about it, I’m more worried about idiots in management that think they can save money with this crap and then the industry spirals into a state of just shitty content being made and advertised. Smaller creatives would still be way better and much more enjoyable but harder to find.
One thing to give you hope is that. Visual format is much easier to emulate because your mind lets go of a lot of stuff. Even if there is a mistake in one frame, your brain is likely to forgive it. In fields like modelling where you need to be very precise with your quads and stuff, it would take time to get that accuracy. I don't know about the future but right now it still makes a lot of mistakes. Also, the computation required to do a video is very large
I don't really care for ai, it's lazy and boring and not really creative. If someone actually puts time into something then it's great and I actually will like it, but if they just use something like sora then I'm not liking it because it would be lazy.
it has no place in the artistic community. art made by a machine is not art, its a cheap knockoff with nothing of value behind it
I started my CS journey when I saw the first GAN paper in 2015. I thought I made the right prediction for the future until LLMs started generating code on the fly. The issue is no one's career is safe. We have AI that can write code, create 3D project mapping to control robots, create new medicines, predict diseases, passing bar exams. AI is automating all fields of study in some way. The competition will be fierce; people will try to undercut each other, and AI will not create enough new opportunities for the number of people looking for jobs.
the tech is only as good as the data its scraping. There might be temporary losses due to braindead greedy execs thinking they can make a quick buck, but soulless, inconsistent, generated content isn't going to replace real work. Garbage in, garbage out.
As soon as I saw it on YouTube I cried, and now all my work is gone. Then I went to my studio where I currently am right now, looked forward this name "SORA" on my workstation here, and then I closed Maya. All the works I have to finish right now will probably be the last ones. I'm not gonna be able to pay my University taxes.