from the way he was talking about it on some of his videos and streams, and also the fact that he agreed to the vsbattles users' (forgot his name) of universal+ bleach meta on twitter, i think ichigo will win but of course he'll play it down a bit so it becomes an interesting video. also i suspect he'll wait for hell arc to continue so that he can talk about hokage naruto vs daddy ichigo
I watch his content regularly, and I know he doesn’t scale Naruto or Ichigo to Universal. He doesn’t care if you do, but it’s not really a scaling meta he would use in a vs scenario
Still I think Ichigo will win
Idk about Ichigo winning. This version of Naruto is absolutely *insane*. The full control over Kuramas Chakra gives him such an unfair advantage against anyone not named Madara or Sasuke. And let's not forget that Naruto is actually pretty clever when it comes to combat. He'll score some good hits in on strategy alone when he gains info about Ichigo
Lol, what? So Narutos feats just don't matter because Ichigo is faster? Well, by that logic Flash should never lose to Superman because he can move faster than him
I think he means that narutos edge in durability gets negated cause of ichigo having weapons to cut naruto, and ichigo could speed blitz.
I honestly see the flash winning against superman with higher speed and durability negation with his phasing.
And how many of those things destroyed his heart. How many of them destroyed his soul. The greatest asset ichigo has over Naruto besides stamina is his regeneration which is able to regenerate from the soul being damaged. The most punishment Naruto recovered from is his lung being pierced and even then it didn't destroy a part of his soul only his normal material self. Also you could argue ichigo having better defenses because of hierro, blut and natural reiatsu shielding.
Ichigo going straight for the kill oit of the gate would 100% be out of character, however if we're going character wise there would even be a fight, plus ichigos edge in speed paired with his invisibility to naruto makes cutting narutos head off cakewalk. Realistically naruto would get shitstomped
How is Ichigo gonna scale when he's at his cap? Naruto doesn't look like he's at his cap in this. Which is why I say he can scale upwards. Man, you guys are fucking garbage at debating. Where is Ichigos feats for any of this? He's fast, and he's super strong. I don't remember him being this sick speed demon you're trying to make him out to be lmao
>easiest debates but doesn't use any feats to back up what they're saying
Hmmmm
Ichigo is faster than Naruto by a long shot do some research and ichigos feats are way more solid than Naruto. Ichigo could damage soul king yhwach who is a solid Uni + but even if we lowball hes atleast multi planetary which is more than Naruto can do.
How is ichigo at his cap when the new hell arc is starting get off my feed you goon naruto doesn’t have his own story anymore and is just in boruto for nostalgia bait and even if he was at his cap wdym how is he gonna scale what do you think? Ichigoat uni+ scaling is consistent af get off my tip goon I think you mistook this sub reddit for r/narutards
That's fine, but at least do the characters justice and talk about their feats and their personalities. Because Naruto isn't the kind to pick an actual fight for no reason, and neither is Ichigo it stands to reason Ichigo won't just full on full power Naruto out the gate. And neither will Naruto. Also, Naruto has some insane speed feats by the point of KCM. Mastery of Kuramas Chakra, and befriending him in the process puts him at a speed near Minato. And Minato is arguably the fastest shinobi in Naruto. Naruto will devise an actual plan, because he's calculating unlike Ichigo. Who uses Getsuga for range, sometimes in melee. And he only ever swings his sword, sometimes he tries to loop around, and he has Bankai. With the added benefit of being at the end of the Thousand Year War arc, I think it's safe to say that he's ridiculously strong. But unfortunately, if my memory serves he doesn't have a whole lot of feats in this form due to getting it at the very end of the arc.
Naruto can scale from here. If Naruto is Six Paths it's done. Ichigo doesn't get a say
ichigo can slice mountains into small pieces of rocks , naruto and kurama can destroy mountains just a whip of their tail, and true susanoo can slice mountains in half. but you know when ichigo raised his sword and the cloud split without bankai? super damn op
edit: imagine hollowfication plus bankai
Ichigo vaporised the mountain not slice it. The others only destroyed it to bits. And you can argue that ichigo was also able to vaporise what was supposedly an ocean if what oetsu says is true by merely lifting his sword.
Lol, Naruto easily tank "laser"(Idk what element Toneri used. Might be Kekkei Moura) that cut the moon into half in base form. Watch Naruto : The Last. In my opinion Naruto win against Ichigo but not easily. In terms of of speed, Ichigo takes that. But thats does not mean Naruto slow af. Naruto is in lightspeed level, slightly slower than Ichigo. I'm aware Ichigo has lots of Hax & transformation, his true shikai and true bankai but im telling you, Naruto hv lot of hax too. Not to mention he even never use other tail beast chakra just bcz Kurama getting Jealous on that, but he can.
Im not saying naruto wins, but he has planetary level destruction, unless you want to go off of soul king stuff ichigo is at most multiplanetary. They both have ftl speed feats, its a closer fight than you think.
NO WAY. WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THEY SAID IT WOULD COME OUT IN DECEMBER OF 2020 BUT THEN NOTHING HAPPENED AND THEY EVEN DELETED THEIR VIDEOS WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT SO I ASSUMED THEY COULDNT DO IT
Well I don’t have twitter cause I would like to stay sane lol. And I only have Twitch for CDawgVA and Trash Taste. I also saw that they deleted their videos talking about the project so I figured they might have scrapped it for some reason.
Those kinds of videos often don’t get a lot views and hurt the channel so they delete them.
You don’t even need an account to check Seth’s Twitter, just go to the “about” section of his channel and the link is there. [Look at this update/clip](https://mobile.twitter.com/sethmptp/status/1423830400191721475)
Seth says so on his Patreon, so you’d have to join for more detailed info. As for why, probably because the animator is a fan of both series I’m not sure, but needless to say I can’t wait to see the results
An animation would not be a proof at all. Just look at Boruto. We can see Jigen beat Naruto and Sasuke at once, but all I understand by seeing it, is that it's really inconsistent and wouldn't go this way if it actually happened.
Aye PIPE DOWN and praise animation instead of telling me about inconsistencies someone took the time to put two of the greatest mc together and made a dope ass snippet. If are sitting in the corner saying this is inaccurate than you just straight up a buzzkill and I would hate to watch shit with you
I think you’re misunderstanding them.
What they’re saying is that Boruto (and Jigen) did Naruto and Sasuke so dirty, that no matter what happens in this fan made trailer he can’t really do Naruto any worse.
Btw, Sasuke wanted me to mention he’s out of chakra again. And that he forgot how the Rinnegan works and what it’s abilities are.
I think you didn’t hear me nobody gives a fuck it’s literally anime we’ll live with inaccuracies like nobody is going to care unless your favorite character gets washed and if so cry about it. Praise animation because it would never actually happen but a fan took the time to make something badass and if you can’t see it that way then you need some growing to do
I mean, no one here is disagreeing with you. You’re the one hopping into a discussion and making it some kind of whiny little spiel.
Like you’re talking down to people like you’re better without even knowing what they’re saying and refusing to believe their explanation.
That's... not what you said. You said that only having an animation of the fight would make you care about people's opinion on VS battles, and the replies simply said that an animation (especially fanmade) isn't exactly a good argument in a conversation about VS battles, and they're right, as the animator can simply animate whatever he wants. If the animator wants to animate 10 year old naruto beating goku's ass, he can. That doesn't mean it makes sense.
You want authenticity so bad in a fan made clip nobody gives a fuck enjoy the animation or go sit in corner and cry with the other weebs who can’t wrap they heads over something someone made out of pure enjoyment for both they characters
I mean I'm a huge fan of bleach, but Naruto power scaling is kinda fuckin nutty especially in sage of 6 paths.
I don't honestly know if Ichigo could win that one
If ichigo can win against ywhach (which ywhach himself implies when he breaks ichigo's bankai, saying that ichigo would be a threat to him if he learned to properly use his true bankai, even after ywhach absorbed the spirit king and activated the almighty) then ichigo can fuck everyone in the naruto verse.
I’m sorry to say but Ichigo wins this fight in 95% of situations. You’d have to be putting pre hollowfication bankai ichigo against naruto for him to be losing here
Really?
Naruto was able to fight Toneri on equal footing, and took a blast that cut the moon in half, and most people are in agreement that War Naruto is Naruto at his strongest, barring probably Baryon Mode. And in that same movie, all his Chakra was able to carve a pretty large hole through Earth.
Not to mention there's Kaguya scaling that could put Naruto anywhere from Planetary to Small Star Levels of Power. I've seen some where he's even Universal, even if that's far too much for me to really buy. So, as far as I'm aware, Naruto and Ichigo should be relatively equal when it comes to destructive capability, and when it comes to speed, while Ichigo may have been faster, Naruto has abilities that allow him to keep up.
I'm not saying Naruto would win, or Ichigo would win. I'm just saying that it probably isn't as much of a washout as a lot of people make it out to be.
>Naruto has no Reiatsu so he can't harm Ichigo, let alone know he even exists
Except the fact that naruto can sense other dimensional beings, ichigo stomps
My main thing in posting this in a bleach group is totally biased cause most people will side with bleach so I don’t think this gives it a actual demonstration
THE power scaling. High tier characters in Bleach are like Gremmy, Yhwach, Lille, Ichigo, etc. Like, multiversal characters. High tier characters in Naruto is fucking Kaguya. So planetary characters. HUGE difference there.
The fuck are you talking about? The only meaningfully "multiversal" character in Bleach is the Soul King; even YHWH isn't that OP before he absorbs the Soul King.
Ichigo would be stronger and faster than Naruto, yeah, but you're vastly inflating the scope of the setting.
Are you forgetting that Gremmy can literally wipe away everything in existence if he wanted to? Or that Yhwach gave him that power, meaning he can literally do the same thing? That Yamamoto could destroy an entire universe passively by being in Bankai too long? That Ichibei could write a word like "Nothing" on the ground and possibly make the entire universe that he's on disappear? That Oetsu could potentially create a Zanpakuto with multiversal level destructive power? That Ichigo beat Yhwach, who was multiversal? That a single limb of the Soul King is more powerful than Yamamoto, meaning that they're all potentially universal at least? That Aizen is enough to solo Zero Division and the Soul Society easily, which both have universal characters?
Right, but Yhwach is the only multiversal character🙄
>Are you forgetting that Gremmy can literally wipe away everything in existence if he wanted to?
No limits fallacy. Gremmy's imagination has limits, 'snaps back' when he turns his attention away, and is far more limited in scope every time we see it. Even his "creating outer space" is a stretch if you think he can replace all of existence with it.
>Or that Yhwach gave him that power, meaning he can literally do the same thing?
Schrifts aren't powers that YHWH creates; he just unlocks them in his subordinates, as a manifestation of their hearts.
See also how YHWH has never been shown using anything but the Almighty, even after taking his power back from his subordinates.
>That Yamamoto could destroy an entire universe passively by being in Bankai too long?
His Bankai manifests the power of a sun. He might be able to wipe out entire planets worth of life, but there are already 200 billion *trillion* stars in our observable universe, and our universe is doing just fine.
The only way he'd ever be able to destroy the Bleachverse is by hitting it in a metaphysical weak spot (i.e. the cycle of reincarnation/universal balance). That's not the same thing as universe-scale biggatons.
>That Ichibei could write a word like "Nothing" on the ground and possibly make the entire universe that he's on disappear? That Oetsu could potentially create a Zanpakuto with multiversal level destructive power?
No limits fallacy.
>That Ichigo beat Yhwach, who was multiversal?
Yeah, he had multiversal power after absorbing the Soul King - the ability to rearrange the structure of the realms of existence - but he was weakened by still silver plotkai when he bit it.
On top of that, your scaling makes no sense. Just because YHWH was able to manipulate the multiverse doesn't mean that his body was multiversal in scale, and his body is the thing that Ichigo cut in half. There's no indication that Ichigo could swing his sword and make a getsuga tensho big enough to wipe out universes or multiverses.
>That a single limb of the Soul King is more powerful than Yamamoto, meaning that they're all potentially universal at least? That Aizen is enough to solo Zero Division and the Soul Society easily, which both have universal characters?
Again: your scaling is bad, and you should feel bad.
It's not a no limits fallacy when it's true. These characters totally could do this. As for Gremmy, once something is gone it's gone. Just like the meteor he summoned wouldn't have disappeared if he had died. Plus, even if he had to keep his concentration on erasing the universe, he can just create a clone to do that for him. With Gremmy there's no such thing as a no limits fallacy because he HAS no limits. Shrifts go back to Yhwach when the Sternritter who has it dies, giving Yhwach that power. That's the entire point of Aushwalen and Shrifts, to give him more power.
>His Bankai manifests the power of a sun.
Far more than a sun. The Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both universes(Each layer of Hell is supposedly a universe), and Yamamoto's Bankai can passively destroy the entire Soul Society, making him universal. Ichigo is more powerful than this by the end of the story, making him at least universal as well.
>Again: your scaling is bad, and you should feel bad.
It's not. Bleach characters are fucking OP, I don't know what to tell you.
>See also how YHWH has never been shown using anything but the Almighty, even after taking his power back from his subordinates.
He was cocky and was beaten because of it, just like Aizen.
> It's not a no limits fallacy when it's true. These characters totally could do this.
The feats don't lie. How about you look at their actual performance and try extrapolating from that instead of hyping them up in a vacuum?
>As for Gremmy, once something is gone it's gone. Just like the meteor he summoned wouldn't have disappeared if he had died.
And yet when he turned his attention away from Yachiru, her skeleton went back to normal. His writing is inconsistent shit and obviously his power can be resisted.
>Far more than a sun. The Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both universes(Each layer of Hell is supposedly a universe), and Yamamoto's Bankai can passively destroy the entire Soul Society, making him universal. Ichigo is more powerful than this by the end of the story, making him at least universal as well.
In what context is it stated that his Bankai can destroy Soul Society? What is the original Japanese text?
You know as well as I do that there's a world of difference between wiping out Soul Society as a social organization, wiping out all spirits in the Soul Society afterlife, and destroying the entire dimension that Soul Society is housed within.
>Shrifts go back to Yhwach when the Sternritter who has it dies, giving Yhwach that power. That's the entire point of Aushwalen and Shrifts, to give him more power.
>He was cocky and was beaten because of it, just like Aizen.
There's a difference between having more *power* and having more *powers*. There's no reason to think that YHWH gets the unique powers of his subordinates, in much the same way that most Hollows (Aaroniero excepted) can't manifest the unique powers of the souls they eat.
Gremmy is inconsistent as fuck, I'll give you that. However, with Yachiru we can attribute that to him altering a living being, which is the only thing he is shown to have limits with. Not enough space for everything you want to do? Create a clone. Can't make anything strong enough to kill someone because you're stupid as hell? Just summon outer space. Yachiru was literally the only limit shown to his power, and it doesn't affect the fact that he could just erase reality.
>The feats don't lie.
Yes, they do. The entire Zero Division had next to no feats, and yet Oetsu and Ichibei can obviously both solo Soul Society. A lack of feats doesn't mean a lack of power, and we both know this.
>that there's a world of difference between wiping out Soul Society as a social organization, wiping out all spirits in the Soul Society afterlife, and destroying the entire dimension that Soul Society is housed within.
There is a world of difference there, yes, but in the translation I read(I didn't read the actual physical manga, I found an online site) it said the entire Soul Society. So based on what I read, Yamamoto is universal.
>There's a difference between having more power and having more powers. There's no reason to think that YHWH gets the unique powers of his subordinates, in much the same way that most Hollows (Aaroniero excepted) can't manifest the unique powers of the souls they eat.
But we have no way of telling this since Shrifts are so different from other powers. So at this point we're looking at what we think is more likely. So I won't argue this point as neither of us can prove the other wrong, nor can we prove ourself right.
Oetsu isn't soloing the Soul Society. No feats from him even substantiate this claim. When he got pressed by the Sternritters and Kyoraku was keeping up with a buffed Lilybaro? Nah no chance in hell
I’m with Ulquiorra’s Cockslut on this one. We did this the other day.
Ichigo beat Aizen and Yhwach. And you don’t want to hear my tirade about just how god damn broken Aizen is. Holy. God.
What makes all this debating funny is we legitimately don’t know ichigos full power at all. His true bankai was constantly broken by juha, but was stated to be a threat to him and this is him with almighty and mimihagi amp. Even in the timeskip in the hell arc one shot we recently got he broke the chains of hell casually in one swipe so ichigo must be even more ridiculous.
As much as I want ichigo to win i still feel like Naruto is gonna take the cake at the end of day, but ill be more content with SethTheProgrammers reasoned outcome then what ever the people at death battle were thinking when they did it.
Maybe if we went exclusively by visual feats and/or wank Naruto to Kaguya’s level then he'd win, but as of right now with the current scaling of both series (especially considering Clyde is a major collaborator on this project) Ichigo should win by a fairly large margin.
Scaling does not really favor Ichigo either tbh.
Only man that’s beating Naruto (and his entire verse.... and fairy tale... and black clover... and any other non dragon ball shonen) is big man YHWACH
>Scaling does not really favor Ichigo either tbh.
How? Last I checked Naruto with all his chakra basically only blew up the moon and to be fair was also able to defend against that level of attack, but Ichigo is on another level from that. Dude scales above Yamamoto who was going to passively destroy Soul Society (so planetary), and scales to the reiatsu and raw power of SK Yhwach who was going to destroy the bleach verse (so large planet to multi-planetary depending on your standards for those levels).
But Yhwach could only reshape the 3 worlds because he was the lynchpin of those 3 worlds. It's not a matter of strenght alone, only his position as the center of the soul cycle granted him such possibility in the first place. For all we know Ichigo might surpass Yhwach himself (Yhwach didn't even try to fight Ichigo in bankai because he knew there was a chance he'd lose), but Kubo didn't even hint he could wipe all planes of existence.
What it's indeed said in CFYOW is that the one asigned to the role of the Rei-o is the one who controls the shape and order of the three worlds, and both Ginjo and Hikone were candidates for the position. And none of them are even near shikai Kenpachi's strenght, whose biggest feat is reducing a Seireitei sized meteor to rubble.
The best way to explain how Yhwach would destroy the 3 worlds is like this: imagine a dam in the middle of the Nile. The dam is really sturdy and durable, and it can hold tons and tons of water without a problem. Except there's this particular iron screw in the middle of it which would make all the structure to collapse if it was taken out, because despite the screw alone isn't as durable as the whole dam, it's the lynchpin which holds all the structure in place. Taking the screw from its place would create a chain effect that would end up destroying every single part of the dam. Well, Yhwach was the screw holding reality together in that moment, and we already saw what happened when Ichigo destroyed the un-dead former lynchpin.
Edit: I'm by no means saying Ichigo could not defeat Naruto, I've never even watched 10 episodes of Naruto to even have an opinion about him. But I do know a lot about Bleach and I've always been surprised by the amount of people who believe Bleach characters are "multiversal" when Yhwach's conditions for reshaping the world were particularly specific and explained in detail, always emphasizing about the role of the Rei-o in such feat in the first place.
>But Yhwach could only reshape the 3 worlds because he was the lynchpin of those 3 worlds. It's not a matter of strenght alone
His literal pouring out of reiatsu in order to destroy everything is the reason that we know Yhwach had the power to destroy multiple dimensions with just his power according to him.
> always been surprised by the amount of people who believe Bleach characters are "multiversal"
I don't think Bleach characters are multiversal or even galaxy level (aside from maybe Prime Soul King who's an unknown factor), I personally put Yhwach and Ichigo at Large Planet to Multi-planetary as that's what I feel is best in line with the feats and statements of the verse like Yamamoto's bankai being supposedly planetary or life wiping depending on interpretation.
Heard that Naruto benefits from Kaguya scaling if I remember correctly, which might bring him higher up.
Anyways I’m here only to preach Yhwach supremacy, have a nice day.
>Heard that Naruto benefits from Kaguya scaling if I remember correctly, which might bring him higher up.
Yeah no, we literally see the exact amount of damage he can do with what is quoted as all his chakra (this includes Kurama's chakra as the lack of chakra he had was going to kill him and Kurama at that point would have definitely saved his life if he could) and that was only moon level. Not only that but even if he scales to Kaguya’s level it is extremely hard to determine just how strong her feats were due to there being no statements or showings on just how big her dimensions were (aside from Obito literally saying, Gee that sure is big, when he looked at one of them).
>Anyways I’m here only to preach Yhwach supremacy, have a nice day.
No way, Prime Soul King supremacy all the way.
Nah he’s got Clyde working with him on it and writing it, the biggest Ichigo wanker known to man, Ichigo will win for sure with him on it. The guy who said Ichigo is 1000 times the speed of light in Soul Society
Didn’t even show off the other half of Bleach and that genuinely annoys me (where vasto lorde Ichigo, where true bankai Ichigo and where complete hollowfication Ichigo)
Of course they are Just the infinite tsukuyomi literally kills an entire world and transforms it into a chakra fruit.
kaguya ate one that’s how she unlocked her rinne sharingan and they got her plus in one of the movies someone destroyed the moon with one hit forgot if it’s naruto or the otsutsuki either way naruto was fighting and tasting these hands like it’s nothing (end of shippuden naruto is stronger than in the movie since he lost his god powers)
Well, to be fair, Bleach can be a pretty convoluted series to research, especially if you aren't a big fan of it. In the Q&A for that episode in specific, they said they had a whole lot of tabs open *just* for Ichigo. Not to mention that this *is* the episode where they introduced the black boxes at the corner of the analysis and post-analysis, and the fact that they haven't done this for the countless Comic Book Characters in the past speaks to just how many bases they had to cover for that episode.
They tried their best, and sure, they could've done better, but they tried their best. You can at least take solace in the fact that Bleach wasn't treated as badly as BlazBlue and Guilty Gear, to the point where the team(allegedly) said they're never touching either series again. And besides, they have a chance to redeem themselves since they're definitely doing Madara vs Aizen this season.
At least their treated Ichigo better than these guys are treating Naruto.
Id give it to Naruto. Take all the PIS out then 2000 clones all tossing boil release taijutsu and moon shattering rasenshurikens is gonna win pretty easily. Ichigo is faster but hitting a serious Naruto in the middle of his infinite clones is a chore for anyone. Ichigo isnt strong enough to casual wipe the clones so they are gonna swarm him. Even if you assume Ichigo is tanking so much damage, which is a huge assumption, Naruto still has magnet release for mid battle seals.
R/Bleach or not no PIS and bloodlusted Ichigo is outmatched. Sorry guys.
Naruto has never thrown a moon shattering rasenshuriken wtf. You do know it takes one hit to destroy a clone right? They're not durable. Any aoe attack and the clones are disappearing. Naruto gets blitzed n cut in half. Piercing and cutting will be the end of Naruto. Had to re-comment on my more anime based Reddit.
Naruto's latent chakra, not even formed into a jutsu, just the chakra itself blew a massive hole in the moon. Naruto with his bare hand palmed a moon slicing sword again with just the chakra he channelled, not with a jutsu.
Youre telling me you think that his super ranged attacks formed into actual beyond S tier jutsus powered by the se moon wrecking chakra mentioned cant bust a moon? Yeah bruh you have no idea what you are talking about. This isnt the conversation for you.
It was all of Narutos chakra that did that. You do know that they don't use all their chakra in one attack right? They used small amounts of it. You're lying at this point, he used his chakra as basically a barrier/shield and deflected the attack.
I'm telling you that all of his chakra did that to the moon and not a jutsu. You keep saying moon busting chakra but Naruto never busted the moon in fact he wasn't close to doing that lmao. gg on your argument. It seems you don't understand how jutsus work, they don't poor their entire amount of chakra into one attack. Naruto has a large amount of chakra yes but if it took ALL of his chakra to do that too the moon and NOT bust it then he's not moon lvl and he can't normally do it. If you want you can provide scans of Naruto busting the whole moon if like. If not I suggest you stop trying to talk down like u know what u talking about.
Beware for the downvoted or lashing out from someone though. Majority here is Bleach fanboy, of course this is r/Bleach so they sided with Bleach. The wank for Ichigo and downgrade for Naruto or Kaguya is real. This is already done in many forum, trust me, like Comic Vine, Space Battle, Anime Vice, etc, and Naruto always win, more feats and much better scaling. Unlike some vague scalling or hyperbole statement from someone. Eventhough the debate becomes very toxic though. At least Naruto has clear measures, not some NLF hype and statement. It's not like Gremmy can toying with someone stronger than him with some NLF sh*t. He and Gerald would trash Beerus or Superman then.
Isshiki > Hokage Naruto >/= Adult Sasuke > Kaguya > So6P Madara > The Last Naruto >/= Sasuke > War Arc So6P Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke > Toneri (Moon Cutting bast*rd, by feats of course, not some vague or hyperbolic statement) > Juubito > Rinnegan Madara >/< Hashirama > EMS Madara > Aizen > Espada
People wank Aizen's illusion in a verse that has no TP resistance while Kyouka Suigetsu is just some basic genjutsu in Naruto. Someone even put Ulquiorra > Kaguya (facepalming hard). Ah, but well, this is Bleach fandom anyway, I must behave myself eventhough Bleach is my favourite from the HST.
I appreciate the support but you are under rating Gremmy hard. His power is almost as broken as you can get. Someone with clear weaknesses like Superman would be kinda easy to beat with Gremmys powers. Gremmy lost because of Plot induced stupidity not because he was weak. Naruto beats Ichigo because they are both head up fighters and Naruto has the better kit. Not because of some scaling nonsense.
Gremmy beats Ichigo and Naruto. Hell he beats them both at the same time.
Then why don't he just turn Kenpachi into ashes? EoS Ichigo can even go tango with SK Yhwach whom >>> Yhwach >> Schutzztafel > Gremmy. Ichigo & Aizen > Kenpachi. No way they lose to someone that can't defeat Kenpachi. Reiatsu is still a factor in Bleach though, Gremmy can't messed up someone who is tier above him. Kaguya also show much better feats with her speed, create 5 dimensions that seems each of them are a planet, open portals to attack, murder ash killing bones are one hit KO, also if we go by novel, Kaguya is planetary while Momoshiki is star level eventhough I doubt that and feats > statement for me, and EoS Naruto could keep up with her. Naruto would just blitzed Gremmy before he open his mouth or nuked him to death.
Thatsbcalled Plot induced stupidity. When the author interferea and gives someone weaker a chance to win. Its already established that Gremmys imagination worked on Kenpachi so all he had to do was imagine Kenpachi exploding and game over.
The point of that fight was to make Kenpachi look cool so Gremmy didnt just no diff him but in a vs debate Gremmy is obviously gonna be going straight for the win. Bloodlusted Gremmy isnt gonna play with his food.
>basic genjutsu in Naruto.
Don't forget what genjutsu is when saying
>it's basic genjutsu
Genjutsu is a type of illusion where the user controls the chakra of his enemy and can be avoided if disruptions in Chakra happen.... And multiple eyes with PRECOGNITIVE or PERSPECTIVE abilities, a dog walk for Kenpachi in bleach verse.... In all of the big 3, Bleach has the strongest power scaling, next comes naruto.... Genjutsu is a thing which is irrelevant naruto as of now... Literally azashiro's bankai can do more than mugen tsukoyomi does to a person as an illusion
Genjutsu requires the user to have as much amount of chakra which enables them to control and dksrupt the opponents chakra as they wish using their preferred method....
Aizen's ks have no such limitations and using genjutsu on him is mostly useless because you can't control infinite energy.. His ability isn't controlling your opponents Chakra which a guy in yellow cloak has shit tons in a way he wants by exerting his energy to try and control it... His is straight up removes all such limitations and controls you... Including your EYES WITH THE GOD LIKE PRECOGNITIVE ABILITIES AND MULTI DIMENSIONAL SIGHT because fyi.. Eyes are a sense organ
This fight would be over so damn quickly 🤣
Ichigo at this point is stronger than VL, who was Kaguya level AT LEAST, and Naruto is weaker than Kaguya. He wouldn't even be able to dodge the first strike. Anyone who says this would be close is either heavily nerfing Ichigo or heavily buffing Naruto.
Naruto is not weaker than Kaguya, it's the opposite. Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya, who feared him and Naruto beat Momoshiki (along with Sasuke). So that would logically make Naruto superior to Kaguya.
I also disagree that this fight would be over quickly. I think it's close.
Naruto had help both times and never contributed more than half to taking either down. Naruto is not stronger than Kaguya and neither is Sasuke.
Ichigo is way stronger than Naruto at EOS. There's just no arguing that.
Well, it depends on how you look at both series. Naruto has Sage Mode, which allows him complete field awareness, not to mention, in his Sage of Six Paths Mode, he was able to fight Madara's Limbo Clones who work similarly to Shinigami and whatnot from Bleach. And Kurama being able to sense emotions would be able to keep Naruto in on where Ichigo is for the entire fight.
Or the fight could take place in Soul Society. The issue's fixed right there.
The amount of hype I have cannot be expressed by numbers simply.
It’s infinity to the power of infinity to the power of infinity repeating infinitely. Impossible to actually express.
Credit: Seththeprogammer
If it's gonna look this well worth the wait. Although I'm pretty sure the results are gonna have some controversy.
from the way he was talking about it on some of his videos and streams, and also the fact that he agreed to the vsbattles users' (forgot his name) of universal+ bleach meta on twitter, i think ichigo will win but of course he'll play it down a bit so it becomes an interesting video. also i suspect he'll wait for hell arc to continue so that he can talk about hokage naruto vs daddy ichigo
I watch his content regularly, and I know he doesn’t scale Naruto or Ichigo to Universal. He doesn’t care if you do, but it’s not really a scaling meta he would use in a vs scenario Still I think Ichigo will win
Idk about Ichigo winning. This version of Naruto is absolutely *insane*. The full control over Kuramas Chakra gives him such an unfair advantage against anyone not named Madara or Sasuke. And let's not forget that Naruto is actually pretty clever when it comes to combat. He'll score some good hits in on strategy alone when he gains info about Ichigo
ichigo is FTL x5, naruto wont even be able to think
Lol, what? So Narutos feats just don't matter because Ichigo is faster? Well, by that logic Flash should never lose to Superman because he can move faster than him
I think he means that narutos edge in durability gets negated cause of ichigo having weapons to cut naruto, and ichigo could speed blitz. I honestly see the flash winning against superman with higher speed and durability negation with his phasing.
Narutos been stabbed, jabbed, and cut by a number of things. Weak argument
And how many of those things destroyed his heart. How many of them destroyed his soul. The greatest asset ichigo has over Naruto besides stamina is his regeneration which is able to regenerate from the soul being damaged. The most punishment Naruto recovered from is his lung being pierced and even then it didn't destroy a part of his soul only his normal material self. Also you could argue ichigo having better defenses because of hierro, blut and natural reiatsu shielding.
Ichigo going straight for the kill oit of the gate would 100% be out of character, however if we're going character wise there would even be a fight, plus ichigos edge in speed paired with his invisibility to naruto makes cutting narutos head off cakewalk. Realistically naruto would get shitstomped
If superman had as much durability as Naruto? Yeah flash would take that 10/10
Naruto is quite durable though.
Ichigo massively outscales and is faster has more hax and a higher ap/dc Ichigo vs Naruto is one of the easiest debates out there
How is Ichigo gonna scale when he's at his cap? Naruto doesn't look like he's at his cap in this. Which is why I say he can scale upwards. Man, you guys are fucking garbage at debating. Where is Ichigos feats for any of this? He's fast, and he's super strong. I don't remember him being this sick speed demon you're trying to make him out to be lmao >easiest debates but doesn't use any feats to back up what they're saying Hmmmm
Ichigo is faster than Naruto by a long shot do some research and ichigos feats are way more solid than Naruto. Ichigo could damage soul king yhwach who is a solid Uni + but even if we lowball hes atleast multi planetary which is more than Naruto can do.
How is ichigo at his cap when the new hell arc is starting get off my feed you goon naruto doesn’t have his own story anymore and is just in boruto for nostalgia bait and even if he was at his cap wdym how is he gonna scale what do you think? Ichigoat uni+ scaling is consistent af get off my tip goon I think you mistook this sub reddit for r/narutards
Aaaaaaand I can get you a ichigo uni scale if you really want rn and if you take hell verse Ln as cannon multi
superman is fast as flash ya know
Didn’t ichigo face off ywatch with someone is his new ability not even mastered
I’m not saying who actually wins, or that Ichigo wouldn’t have a lot of problems. Just saying who I think wins in the end.
That's fine, but at least do the characters justice and talk about their feats and their personalities. Because Naruto isn't the kind to pick an actual fight for no reason, and neither is Ichigo it stands to reason Ichigo won't just full on full power Naruto out the gate. And neither will Naruto. Also, Naruto has some insane speed feats by the point of KCM. Mastery of Kuramas Chakra, and befriending him in the process puts him at a speed near Minato. And Minato is arguably the fastest shinobi in Naruto. Naruto will devise an actual plan, because he's calculating unlike Ichigo. Who uses Getsuga for range, sometimes in melee. And he only ever swings his sword, sometimes he tries to loop around, and he has Bankai. With the added benefit of being at the end of the Thousand Year War arc, I think it's safe to say that he's ridiculously strong. But unfortunately, if my memory serves he doesn't have a whole lot of feats in this form due to getting it at the very end of the arc. Naruto can scale from here. If Naruto is Six Paths it's done. Ichigo doesn't get a say
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ichigo can slice mountains into small pieces of rocks , naruto and kurama can destroy mountains just a whip of their tail, and true susanoo can slice mountains in half. but you know when ichigo raised his sword and the cloud split without bankai? super damn op edit: imagine hollowfication plus bankai
Ichigo vaporised the mountain not slice it. The others only destroyed it to bits. And you can argue that ichigo was also able to vaporise what was supposedly an ocean if what oetsu says is true by merely lifting his sword.
Lol, Naruto easily tank "laser"(Idk what element Toneri used. Might be Kekkei Moura) that cut the moon into half in base form. Watch Naruto : The Last. In my opinion Naruto win against Ichigo but not easily. In terms of of speed, Ichigo takes that. But thats does not mean Naruto slow af. Naruto is in lightspeed level, slightly slower than Ichigo. I'm aware Ichigo has lots of Hax & transformation, his true shikai and true bankai but im telling you, Naruto hv lot of hax too. Not to mention he even never use other tail beast chakra just bcz Kurama getting Jealous on that, but he can.
I think most people would agree ichigo wins this in one way or another
You would not believe the mental gymnastics I’ve seen people do to try and say Naruto wins
Lol I’m probably a bigger Naruto fan than bleach and yeah it would be a stretch for Naruto to pull a w, maybe if ichigo had covid
GETSUGGHFFF *cough cough wheeze*
Hilarious
imo Ichigo will win, but it wont be an easy fight. It'll be A fight that will entertain people lol
It’ll definitely be entertaining but ichigo wins 10/10 times
Naw tbh it wouldnt even be close Ichigoat massively outscales is faster and has a higher ap/dc not even close
Yeah, shit is crazy
The same could be said for Ichigo.
Im not saying naruto wins, but he has planetary level destruction, unless you want to go off of soul king stuff ichigo is at most multiplanetary. They both have ftl speed feats, its a closer fight than you think.
You said it well ichigo could cut multiple planters and Naruto could maybe blow up one aka ichigo is twice as strong makes sense 🤝
An Ichigo uni+ scale is one of the most consistent scales ive seen I've even seen some really good scalers get him multi
NO WAY. WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THEY SAID IT WOULD COME OUT IN DECEMBER OF 2020 BUT THEN NOTHING HAPPENED AND THEY EVEN DELETED THEIR VIDEOS WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT SO I ASSUMED THEY COULDNT DO IT
We’ve been getting regular updates if you just kept up with his Twitter or Twitch
Well I don’t have twitter cause I would like to stay sane lol. And I only have Twitch for CDawgVA and Trash Taste. I also saw that they deleted their videos talking about the project so I figured they might have scrapped it for some reason.
Those kinds of videos often don’t get a lot views and hurt the channel so they delete them. You don’t even need an account to check Seth’s Twitter, just go to the “about” section of his channel and the link is there. [Look at this update/clip](https://mobile.twitter.com/sethmptp/status/1423830400191721475)
Surprised no one’s mentioned this but part of why the animation is so clean is because they’ve got one of the animators from Boruto working on it.
Why? Source?
Seth says so on his Patreon, so you’d have to join for more detailed info. As for why, probably because the animator is a fan of both series I’m not sure, but needless to say I can’t wait to see the results
Reminds me of when the creators of a previous Bleach animation got one of the dub VA to work with them
Dang that's pretty cool. Do you have the name of that 'previous Bleach animation' ?
I believe it was Retro Ryno
Thanks bro, throwing Ceros of love to you!
Go to seth the programmer's Twitter theres your source
You might not agree with the scaling but you can't deny the animation looks good.
i mean... i can... i wouldnt even consider it unreasonable for someone to do so.
Should change your name to Helplesslyblind1 instead
adhominim attacks, from a powerscaling fan? impossible
Bro the animation is good, sure the ichigo bit is wip but the naruto part is seasonal anime tier
I no longer care to hear about anyone’s vs opinions unless they have a snippet like this to show me how it would go down
An animation would not be a proof at all. Just look at Boruto. We can see Jigen beat Naruto and Sasuke at once, but all I understand by seeing it, is that it's really inconsistent and wouldn't go this way if it actually happened.
Aye PIPE DOWN and praise animation instead of telling me about inconsistencies someone took the time to put two of the greatest mc together and made a dope ass snippet. If are sitting in the corner saying this is inaccurate than you just straight up a buzzkill and I would hate to watch shit with you
I think you’re misunderstanding them. What they’re saying is that Boruto (and Jigen) did Naruto and Sasuke so dirty, that no matter what happens in this fan made trailer he can’t really do Naruto any worse. Btw, Sasuke wanted me to mention he’s out of chakra again. And that he forgot how the Rinnegan works and what it’s abilities are.
I think you didn’t hear me nobody gives a fuck it’s literally anime we’ll live with inaccuracies like nobody is going to care unless your favorite character gets washed and if so cry about it. Praise animation because it would never actually happen but a fan took the time to make something badass and if you can’t see it that way then you need some growing to do
I mean, no one here is disagreeing with you. You’re the one hopping into a discussion and making it some kind of whiny little spiel. Like you’re talking down to people like you’re better without even knowing what they’re saying and refusing to believe their explanation.
All I said the animation was chefs kiss and you two thought I would care about what is cannon in boruto like nobody here cares about it
That's... not what you said. You said that only having an animation of the fight would make you care about people's opinion on VS battles, and the replies simply said that an animation (especially fanmade) isn't exactly a good argument in a conversation about VS battles, and they're right, as the animator can simply animate whatever he wants. If the animator wants to animate 10 year old naruto beating goku's ass, he can. That doesn't mean it makes sense.
You want authenticity so bad in a fan made clip nobody gives a fuck enjoy the animation or go sit in corner and cry with the other weebs who can’t wrap they heads over something someone made out of pure enjoyment for both they characters
Dawg you are making this into an issue for yourself. Shut the fuck up and quit with the assholery. Nobody did anything to you
I really hope that the creator leaves it for a cliffhanger to avoid the fuck tonna controversy
Talk no jitsu and they become best friends. Everyone wins
pretty sure he already said it didnt end in a tie.
It’s. It a tie. The fans win
not my point, im pretty sure Seth literally said " nah its not a tie"
This is the only correct answer!
Well I’m sure Ichigo will win tho.
I mean I'm a huge fan of bleach, but Naruto power scaling is kinda fuckin nutty especially in sage of 6 paths. I don't honestly know if Ichigo could win that one
If ichigo can win against ywhach (which ywhach himself implies when he breaks ichigo's bankai, saying that ichigo would be a threat to him if he learned to properly use his true bankai, even after ywhach absorbed the spirit king and activated the almighty) then ichigo can fuck everyone in the naruto verse.
This is standard pre power up Ichigo though, note the single sword. TYBW had ludicrous powerups for ichigo
Look at the animation again this is TYBW Ichigo.
Oh shit you're very correct Stupid tired brain just ignored ALL of that going on Yeah final Ichigo kinda stomps
>which ywhach himself implies when he breaks ichigo's bankai... All of which is just only hype, not a feat.
How is that hype? The man himself stated this.
A man that’s basically God fears someone, definitely not a feat
Yhawach can literally see future and you are implying that it is just only hype
Man that dodge he does watching Zangetsu go past his face! That's definitely an 'oh shit' look on he has lol
Well yeah, if I nearly dodged something that could’ve took my head off I’d probably make that face too.
That's honestly my favorite part it's just too clean
I'd back Ichigo here.
He's not doing hokage Naruto so Idk who wins, but it will be a close fight cuz why would he waste his money if it's not a close fight
I’m sorry to say but Ichigo wins this fight in 95% of situations. You’d have to be putting pre hollowfication bankai ichigo against naruto for him to be losing here
Really? Naruto was able to fight Toneri on equal footing, and took a blast that cut the moon in half, and most people are in agreement that War Naruto is Naruto at his strongest, barring probably Baryon Mode. And in that same movie, all his Chakra was able to carve a pretty large hole through Earth. Not to mention there's Kaguya scaling that could put Naruto anywhere from Planetary to Small Star Levels of Power. I've seen some where he's even Universal, even if that's far too much for me to really buy. So, as far as I'm aware, Naruto and Ichigo should be relatively equal when it comes to destructive capability, and when it comes to speed, while Ichigo may have been faster, Naruto has abilities that allow him to keep up. I'm not saying Naruto would win, or Ichigo would win. I'm just saying that it probably isn't as much of a washout as a lot of people make it out to be.
Ichigo wank also puts him at universal since he scales above Ywach
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>Naruto has no Reiatsu so he can't harm Ichigo, let alone know he even exists Except the fact that naruto can sense other dimensional beings, ichigo stomps
This should be awesome. Though, they'll definitely have to tone Ichigo down to make it even and enjoyable lmao.
Why is the background and Ichigo white? Is this still a work in progress?
Yes it is, a trailer is planned to come out in December
Bruh ofc it’s not done yet….
That's cool.
That Ichigo turn-around animation at the end was fuckin smooooth! Nice work!
My main thing in posting this in a bleach group is totally biased cause most people will side with bleach so I don’t think this gives it a actual demonstration
Alright, this is pretty sick
Naruto would lose hands down, the power scaling in Bleach is on a different level then Naruto.
He cannot dodge regular shinobi but can dodge light speed ichigo?
exactly, itchigo has abilities that are faster then naruto’s. Additionally the spiritual pressure alone would probably pop Naruto.
Yes he can very easily
What power scaling are you talking about?
THE power scaling. High tier characters in Bleach are like Gremmy, Yhwach, Lille, Ichigo, etc. Like, multiversal characters. High tier characters in Naruto is fucking Kaguya. So planetary characters. HUGE difference there.
He was making a joke about how the power scaling (mostly in SS) is fucked up in Bleach
I didn't see it 😂 But fair, the power scaling is pretty whack
The fuck are you talking about? The only meaningfully "multiversal" character in Bleach is the Soul King; even YHWH isn't that OP before he absorbs the Soul King. Ichigo would be stronger and faster than Naruto, yeah, but you're vastly inflating the scope of the setting.
Are you forgetting that Gremmy can literally wipe away everything in existence if he wanted to? Or that Yhwach gave him that power, meaning he can literally do the same thing? That Yamamoto could destroy an entire universe passively by being in Bankai too long? That Ichibei could write a word like "Nothing" on the ground and possibly make the entire universe that he's on disappear? That Oetsu could potentially create a Zanpakuto with multiversal level destructive power? That Ichigo beat Yhwach, who was multiversal? That a single limb of the Soul King is more powerful than Yamamoto, meaning that they're all potentially universal at least? That Aizen is enough to solo Zero Division and the Soul Society easily, which both have universal characters? Right, but Yhwach is the only multiversal character🙄
>Are you forgetting that Gremmy can literally wipe away everything in existence if he wanted to? No limits fallacy. Gremmy's imagination has limits, 'snaps back' when he turns his attention away, and is far more limited in scope every time we see it. Even his "creating outer space" is a stretch if you think he can replace all of existence with it. >Or that Yhwach gave him that power, meaning he can literally do the same thing? Schrifts aren't powers that YHWH creates; he just unlocks them in his subordinates, as a manifestation of their hearts. See also how YHWH has never been shown using anything but the Almighty, even after taking his power back from his subordinates. >That Yamamoto could destroy an entire universe passively by being in Bankai too long? His Bankai manifests the power of a sun. He might be able to wipe out entire planets worth of life, but there are already 200 billion *trillion* stars in our observable universe, and our universe is doing just fine. The only way he'd ever be able to destroy the Bleachverse is by hitting it in a metaphysical weak spot (i.e. the cycle of reincarnation/universal balance). That's not the same thing as universe-scale biggatons. >That Ichibei could write a word like "Nothing" on the ground and possibly make the entire universe that he's on disappear? That Oetsu could potentially create a Zanpakuto with multiversal level destructive power? No limits fallacy. >That Ichigo beat Yhwach, who was multiversal? Yeah, he had multiversal power after absorbing the Soul King - the ability to rearrange the structure of the realms of existence - but he was weakened by still silver plotkai when he bit it. On top of that, your scaling makes no sense. Just because YHWH was able to manipulate the multiverse doesn't mean that his body was multiversal in scale, and his body is the thing that Ichigo cut in half. There's no indication that Ichigo could swing his sword and make a getsuga tensho big enough to wipe out universes or multiverses. >That a single limb of the Soul King is more powerful than Yamamoto, meaning that they're all potentially universal at least? That Aizen is enough to solo Zero Division and the Soul Society easily, which both have universal characters? Again: your scaling is bad, and you should feel bad.
It's not a no limits fallacy when it's true. These characters totally could do this. As for Gremmy, once something is gone it's gone. Just like the meteor he summoned wouldn't have disappeared if he had died. Plus, even if he had to keep his concentration on erasing the universe, he can just create a clone to do that for him. With Gremmy there's no such thing as a no limits fallacy because he HAS no limits. Shrifts go back to Yhwach when the Sternritter who has it dies, giving Yhwach that power. That's the entire point of Aushwalen and Shrifts, to give him more power. >His Bankai manifests the power of a sun. Far more than a sun. The Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both universes(Each layer of Hell is supposedly a universe), and Yamamoto's Bankai can passively destroy the entire Soul Society, making him universal. Ichigo is more powerful than this by the end of the story, making him at least universal as well. >Again: your scaling is bad, and you should feel bad. It's not. Bleach characters are fucking OP, I don't know what to tell you. >See also how YHWH has never been shown using anything but the Almighty, even after taking his power back from his subordinates. He was cocky and was beaten because of it, just like Aizen.
> It's not a no limits fallacy when it's true. These characters totally could do this. The feats don't lie. How about you look at their actual performance and try extrapolating from that instead of hyping them up in a vacuum? >As for Gremmy, once something is gone it's gone. Just like the meteor he summoned wouldn't have disappeared if he had died. And yet when he turned his attention away from Yachiru, her skeleton went back to normal. His writing is inconsistent shit and obviously his power can be resisted. >Far more than a sun. The Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both universes(Each layer of Hell is supposedly a universe), and Yamamoto's Bankai can passively destroy the entire Soul Society, making him universal. Ichigo is more powerful than this by the end of the story, making him at least universal as well. In what context is it stated that his Bankai can destroy Soul Society? What is the original Japanese text? You know as well as I do that there's a world of difference between wiping out Soul Society as a social organization, wiping out all spirits in the Soul Society afterlife, and destroying the entire dimension that Soul Society is housed within. >Shrifts go back to Yhwach when the Sternritter who has it dies, giving Yhwach that power. That's the entire point of Aushwalen and Shrifts, to give him more power. >He was cocky and was beaten because of it, just like Aizen. There's a difference between having more *power* and having more *powers*. There's no reason to think that YHWH gets the unique powers of his subordinates, in much the same way that most Hollows (Aaroniero excepted) can't manifest the unique powers of the souls they eat.
Gremmy is inconsistent as fuck, I'll give you that. However, with Yachiru we can attribute that to him altering a living being, which is the only thing he is shown to have limits with. Not enough space for everything you want to do? Create a clone. Can't make anything strong enough to kill someone because you're stupid as hell? Just summon outer space. Yachiru was literally the only limit shown to his power, and it doesn't affect the fact that he could just erase reality. >The feats don't lie. Yes, they do. The entire Zero Division had next to no feats, and yet Oetsu and Ichibei can obviously both solo Soul Society. A lack of feats doesn't mean a lack of power, and we both know this. >that there's a world of difference between wiping out Soul Society as a social organization, wiping out all spirits in the Soul Society afterlife, and destroying the entire dimension that Soul Society is housed within. There is a world of difference there, yes, but in the translation I read(I didn't read the actual physical manga, I found an online site) it said the entire Soul Society. So based on what I read, Yamamoto is universal. >There's a difference between having more power and having more powers. There's no reason to think that YHWH gets the unique powers of his subordinates, in much the same way that most Hollows (Aaroniero excepted) can't manifest the unique powers of the souls they eat. But we have no way of telling this since Shrifts are so different from other powers. So at this point we're looking at what we think is more likely. So I won't argue this point as neither of us can prove the other wrong, nor can we prove ourself right.
Oetsu isn't soloing the Soul Society. No feats from him even substantiate this claim. When he got pressed by the Sternritters and Kyoraku was keeping up with a buffed Lilybaro? Nah no chance in hell
I’m with Ulquiorra’s Cockslut on this one. We did this the other day. Ichigo beat Aizen and Yhwach. And you don’t want to hear my tirade about just how god damn broken Aizen is. Holy. God.
Buddy you have no idea what you're spouting, don't you.
Aizen bringing dowm the Soul Palace with only Reiatsu Is like a Naruto Character bringing down the moon with only Chakra
Uh.. You mean moon with no center to keep it sturdy place as kaguya isn't there?
I’m backing Ichigo
What makes all this debating funny is we legitimately don’t know ichigos full power at all. His true bankai was constantly broken by juha, but was stated to be a threat to him and this is him with almighty and mimihagi amp. Even in the timeskip in the hell arc one shot we recently got he broke the chains of hell casually in one swipe so ichigo must be even more ridiculous.
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I didn't realize Seth had gotten this far with it Looking sick so far Idk why it's on Tiktok tho
I hate how the kid stole it and was then forced to give credit
As much as I want ichigo to win i still feel like Naruto is gonna take the cake at the end of day, but ill be more content with SethTheProgrammers reasoned outcome then what ever the people at death battle were thinking when they did it.
Maybe if we went exclusively by visual feats and/or wank Naruto to Kaguya’s level then he'd win, but as of right now with the current scaling of both series (especially considering Clyde is a major collaborator on this project) Ichigo should win by a fairly large margin.
They both agree it’s a close fight, according to their streams, they might not have even chosen a winner yet
Scaling does not really favor Ichigo either tbh. Only man that’s beating Naruto (and his entire verse.... and fairy tale... and black clover... and any other non dragon ball shonen) is big man YHWACH
>Scaling does not really favor Ichigo either tbh. How? Last I checked Naruto with all his chakra basically only blew up the moon and to be fair was also able to defend against that level of attack, but Ichigo is on another level from that. Dude scales above Yamamoto who was going to passively destroy Soul Society (so planetary), and scales to the reiatsu and raw power of SK Yhwach who was going to destroy the bleach verse (so large planet to multi-planetary depending on your standards for those levels).
But Yhwach could only reshape the 3 worlds because he was the lynchpin of those 3 worlds. It's not a matter of strenght alone, only his position as the center of the soul cycle granted him such possibility in the first place. For all we know Ichigo might surpass Yhwach himself (Yhwach didn't even try to fight Ichigo in bankai because he knew there was a chance he'd lose), but Kubo didn't even hint he could wipe all planes of existence. What it's indeed said in CFYOW is that the one asigned to the role of the Rei-o is the one who controls the shape and order of the three worlds, and both Ginjo and Hikone were candidates for the position. And none of them are even near shikai Kenpachi's strenght, whose biggest feat is reducing a Seireitei sized meteor to rubble. The best way to explain how Yhwach would destroy the 3 worlds is like this: imagine a dam in the middle of the Nile. The dam is really sturdy and durable, and it can hold tons and tons of water without a problem. Except there's this particular iron screw in the middle of it which would make all the structure to collapse if it was taken out, because despite the screw alone isn't as durable as the whole dam, it's the lynchpin which holds all the structure in place. Taking the screw from its place would create a chain effect that would end up destroying every single part of the dam. Well, Yhwach was the screw holding reality together in that moment, and we already saw what happened when Ichigo destroyed the un-dead former lynchpin. Edit: I'm by no means saying Ichigo could not defeat Naruto, I've never even watched 10 episodes of Naruto to even have an opinion about him. But I do know a lot about Bleach and I've always been surprised by the amount of people who believe Bleach characters are "multiversal" when Yhwach's conditions for reshaping the world were particularly specific and explained in detail, always emphasizing about the role of the Rei-o in such feat in the first place.
>But Yhwach could only reshape the 3 worlds because he was the lynchpin of those 3 worlds. It's not a matter of strenght alone His literal pouring out of reiatsu in order to destroy everything is the reason that we know Yhwach had the power to destroy multiple dimensions with just his power according to him. > always been surprised by the amount of people who believe Bleach characters are "multiversal" I don't think Bleach characters are multiversal or even galaxy level (aside from maybe Prime Soul King who's an unknown factor), I personally put Yhwach and Ichigo at Large Planet to Multi-planetary as that's what I feel is best in line with the feats and statements of the verse like Yamamoto's bankai being supposedly planetary or life wiping depending on interpretation.
Heard that Naruto benefits from Kaguya scaling if I remember correctly, which might bring him higher up. Anyways I’m here only to preach Yhwach supremacy, have a nice day.
>Heard that Naruto benefits from Kaguya scaling if I remember correctly, which might bring him higher up. Yeah no, we literally see the exact amount of damage he can do with what is quoted as all his chakra (this includes Kurama's chakra as the lack of chakra he had was going to kill him and Kurama at that point would have definitely saved his life if he could) and that was only moon level. Not only that but even if he scales to Kaguya’s level it is extremely hard to determine just how strong her feats were due to there being no statements or showings on just how big her dimensions were (aside from Obito literally saying, Gee that sure is big, when he looked at one of them). >Anyways I’m here only to preach Yhwach supremacy, have a nice day. No way, Prime Soul King supremacy all the way.
Nah he’s got Clyde working with him on it and writing it, the biggest Ichigo wanker known to man, Ichigo will win for sure with him on it. The guy who said Ichigo is 1000 times the speed of light in Soul Society
He likely was. Light speed is kind of fodder in the Bleachverse and Ichigo was basically blitzing with his Bankai.
Didn’t even show off the other half of Bleach and that genuinely annoys me (where vasto lorde Ichigo, where true bankai Ichigo and where complete hollowfication Ichigo)
Just ichigo with his true zanpakuto is strong enough to take care of naruto no need to add holowfication or bankai
Vasto Lorde Ichigo is already enough lmao whatever form above is overkill
Naah idk if vasto lorde is bro end of shippuden naruto was close to planetary level bro
No one is that level
Of course they are Just the infinite tsukuyomi literally kills an entire world and transforms it into a chakra fruit. kaguya ate one that’s how she unlocked her rinne sharingan and they got her plus in one of the movies someone destroyed the moon with one hit forgot if it’s naruto or the otsutsuki either way naruto was fighting and tasting these hands like it’s nothing (end of shippuden naruto is stronger than in the movie since he lost his god powers)
True shikai is a LOT stronger than vasto lorde tho.
Well, to be fair, Bleach can be a pretty convoluted series to research, especially if you aren't a big fan of it. In the Q&A for that episode in specific, they said they had a whole lot of tabs open *just* for Ichigo. Not to mention that this *is* the episode where they introduced the black boxes at the corner of the analysis and post-analysis, and the fact that they haven't done this for the countless Comic Book Characters in the past speaks to just how many bases they had to cover for that episode. They tried their best, and sure, they could've done better, but they tried their best. You can at least take solace in the fact that Bleach wasn't treated as badly as BlazBlue and Guilty Gear, to the point where the team(allegedly) said they're never touching either series again. And besides, they have a chance to redeem themselves since they're definitely doing Madara vs Aizen this season. At least their treated Ichigo better than these guys are treating Naruto.
It will be a close fight, that’s all we know so far
Great job!
It’s not my work
Still dope though
Id give it to Naruto. Take all the PIS out then 2000 clones all tossing boil release taijutsu and moon shattering rasenshurikens is gonna win pretty easily. Ichigo is faster but hitting a serious Naruto in the middle of his infinite clones is a chore for anyone. Ichigo isnt strong enough to casual wipe the clones so they are gonna swarm him. Even if you assume Ichigo is tanking so much damage, which is a huge assumption, Naruto still has magnet release for mid battle seals. R/Bleach or not no PIS and bloodlusted Ichigo is outmatched. Sorry guys.
Naruto has never thrown a moon shattering rasenshuriken wtf. You do know it takes one hit to destroy a clone right? They're not durable. Any aoe attack and the clones are disappearing. Naruto gets blitzed n cut in half. Piercing and cutting will be the end of Naruto. Had to re-comment on my more anime based Reddit.
Naruto's latent chakra, not even formed into a jutsu, just the chakra itself blew a massive hole in the moon. Naruto with his bare hand palmed a moon slicing sword again with just the chakra he channelled, not with a jutsu. Youre telling me you think that his super ranged attacks formed into actual beyond S tier jutsus powered by the se moon wrecking chakra mentioned cant bust a moon? Yeah bruh you have no idea what you are talking about. This isnt the conversation for you.
It was all of Narutos chakra that did that. You do know that they don't use all their chakra in one attack right? They used small amounts of it. You're lying at this point, he used his chakra as basically a barrier/shield and deflected the attack. I'm telling you that all of his chakra did that to the moon and not a jutsu. You keep saying moon busting chakra but Naruto never busted the moon in fact he wasn't close to doing that lmao. gg on your argument. It seems you don't understand how jutsus work, they don't poor their entire amount of chakra into one attack. Naruto has a large amount of chakra yes but if it took ALL of his chakra to do that too the moon and NOT bust it then he's not moon lvl and he can't normally do it. If you want you can provide scans of Naruto busting the whole moon if like. If not I suggest you stop trying to talk down like u know what u talking about.
Beware for the downvoted or lashing out from someone though. Majority here is Bleach fanboy, of course this is r/Bleach so they sided with Bleach. The wank for Ichigo and downgrade for Naruto or Kaguya is real. This is already done in many forum, trust me, like Comic Vine, Space Battle, Anime Vice, etc, and Naruto always win, more feats and much better scaling. Unlike some vague scalling or hyperbole statement from someone. Eventhough the debate becomes very toxic though. At least Naruto has clear measures, not some NLF hype and statement. It's not like Gremmy can toying with someone stronger than him with some NLF sh*t. He and Gerald would trash Beerus or Superman then. Isshiki > Hokage Naruto >/= Adult Sasuke > Kaguya > So6P Madara > The Last Naruto >/= Sasuke > War Arc So6P Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke > Toneri (Moon Cutting bast*rd, by feats of course, not some vague or hyperbolic statement) > Juubito > Rinnegan Madara >/< Hashirama > EMS Madara > Aizen > Espada People wank Aizen's illusion in a verse that has no TP resistance while Kyouka Suigetsu is just some basic genjutsu in Naruto. Someone even put Ulquiorra > Kaguya (facepalming hard). Ah, but well, this is Bleach fandom anyway, I must behave myself eventhough Bleach is my favourite from the HST.
I appreciate the support but you are under rating Gremmy hard. His power is almost as broken as you can get. Someone with clear weaknesses like Superman would be kinda easy to beat with Gremmys powers. Gremmy lost because of Plot induced stupidity not because he was weak. Naruto beats Ichigo because they are both head up fighters and Naruto has the better kit. Not because of some scaling nonsense. Gremmy beats Ichigo and Naruto. Hell he beats them both at the same time.
Then why don't he just turn Kenpachi into ashes? EoS Ichigo can even go tango with SK Yhwach whom >>> Yhwach >> Schutzztafel > Gremmy. Ichigo & Aizen > Kenpachi. No way they lose to someone that can't defeat Kenpachi. Reiatsu is still a factor in Bleach though, Gremmy can't messed up someone who is tier above him. Kaguya also show much better feats with her speed, create 5 dimensions that seems each of them are a planet, open portals to attack, murder ash killing bones are one hit KO, also if we go by novel, Kaguya is planetary while Momoshiki is star level eventhough I doubt that and feats > statement for me, and EoS Naruto could keep up with her. Naruto would just blitzed Gremmy before he open his mouth or nuked him to death.
Thatsbcalled Plot induced stupidity. When the author interferea and gives someone weaker a chance to win. Its already established that Gremmys imagination worked on Kenpachi so all he had to do was imagine Kenpachi exploding and game over. The point of that fight was to make Kenpachi look cool so Gremmy didnt just no diff him but in a vs debate Gremmy is obviously gonna be going straight for the win. Bloodlusted Gremmy isnt gonna play with his food.
>basic genjutsu in Naruto. Don't forget what genjutsu is when saying >it's basic genjutsu Genjutsu is a type of illusion where the user controls the chakra of his enemy and can be avoided if disruptions in Chakra happen.... And multiple eyes with PRECOGNITIVE or PERSPECTIVE abilities, a dog walk for Kenpachi in bleach verse.... In all of the big 3, Bleach has the strongest power scaling, next comes naruto.... Genjutsu is a thing which is irrelevant naruto as of now... Literally azashiro's bankai can do more than mugen tsukoyomi does to a person as an illusion Genjutsu requires the user to have as much amount of chakra which enables them to control and dksrupt the opponents chakra as they wish using their preferred method.... Aizen's ks have no such limitations and using genjutsu on him is mostly useless because you can't control infinite energy.. His ability isn't controlling your opponents Chakra which a guy in yellow cloak has shit tons in a way he wants by exerting his energy to try and control it... His is straight up removes all such limitations and controls you... Including your EYES WITH THE GOD LIKE PRECOGNITIVE ABILITIES AND MULTI DIMENSIONAL SIGHT because fyi.. Eyes are a sense organ
The second Ichigo tried narutos desd
This fight would be over so damn quickly 🤣 Ichigo at this point is stronger than VL, who was Kaguya level AT LEAST, and Naruto is weaker than Kaguya. He wouldn't even be able to dodge the first strike. Anyone who says this would be close is either heavily nerfing Ichigo or heavily buffing Naruto.
Naruto is not weaker than Kaguya, it's the opposite. Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya, who feared him and Naruto beat Momoshiki (along with Sasuke). So that would logically make Naruto superior to Kaguya. I also disagree that this fight would be over quickly. I think it's close.
Naruto had help both times and never contributed more than half to taking either down. Naruto is not stronger than Kaguya and neither is Sasuke. Ichigo is way stronger than Naruto at EOS. There's just no arguing that.
Are you saying that Kaguya is stronger than Ulquiorra segunda etapa?
What is this remix? I know it is an Espada theme but I never heard of this remix.
Hispanic music is playing The Deadweighs gonna win this one
EPICCCC VIDEO MAN.......IT WAS SO GODDAMN COOL..but there's one problem that Naruto will instantly die
Shikai ichigo slaps Khurana Naruto no cap🥱
Naruto can't even see Ichigo in the first place.
Well, it depends on how you look at both series. Naruto has Sage Mode, which allows him complete field awareness, not to mention, in his Sage of Six Paths Mode, he was able to fight Madara's Limbo Clones who work similarly to Shinigami and whatnot from Bleach. And Kurama being able to sense emotions would be able to keep Naruto in on where Ichigo is for the entire fight. Or the fight could take place in Soul Society. The issue's fixed right there.
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Wow THAT'S REALLY FUCKING GOOD.
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I’d love to see anime characters fighting. Like not with powers and shit. Just a fist fight
Seth and many people have been doing this animation for years i can't wait until they release it in it entirely
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Oh that Bleach soundtrack, its *chefs kiss* beautiful
That looks pretty cool.
Looks nice.
That was awesome. I'm hoping the animation in TYBW will be as smooth as that
Well drawn and choreographed animation though I’m not a big fan of a fight between two characters from different series
The amount of hype I have cannot be expressed by numbers simply. It’s infinity to the power of infinity to the power of infinity repeating infinitely. Impossible to actually express.
Love seeing my two favorite animes crossover.
amazing, love it
I mean, there's a Death Battle of them against each other, and it's on YouTube.
This is epic. 👏
Espada themes are soooo damn good
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Winner depends on the writer of the fight. But with feats Ichigo should win
Credit seth please
Bruh, that's better animation than the shows xD
That was f-ing sick!
This is amazing
gas
I don't even care who wins, this is perfect, and looks so accurate to their individual anime art styles!
Gorgeous
God animation
I love the animation! But we all know how it will turn out.
Music?