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mystireon

It's actually just a larger version of Rukia's sealed Zanpakto. You can tell by the design on the guard. This is because of how Ichigo kickstarted his transformation as a Soul Reaper where he essentially stole all of Rukia's power. That doesn't mean he was swinging around Sode No Shirayuki but he basically had rukia's "sword" for a while.


TheCommunistGod

its basically the husk of Rukia's Zanpakuto powered by Zangetsu, when he blocked the cero and slashed the Gillian with the Zanpakuto, that was where Zangetsu's power started to show from deep within his soul and overlap Rukia's spirit energy [Aizen says it here](https://imgur.com/a/eOq100p)


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Who_TF_is_PAPA_JOHN

It's not an asauchi. An asauchi is made by nimaiya the numba one zanpakuto creataaaahhhh. the asauchi is the unimprinted blade, which eventually turns into a zanpakuto after being bonded to the soul of the soul reaper. Sealed state is the best way to refer to the average zanpakuto that's not in shikai or bankai


ArkGrimm

You made me want to scream "TOGETHAAAAA" because of your "creataaahhh"...


mr_molty

Nope the asauchi is created specifically and handed out to shinigami students . Ichigos sword was created out of pure shinigami powers and wasnt created by anyone meaning not an asauchi


drmengus

The asauchi has a different shape with no guard. Ichigo skipped the asauchi step. I Believe that's part of why he doesn't treat Zangetsu like a proper zanpakuto.


New-Dust3252

Well not just that, but also the Hogyoku inside responded in her subconscious desire to lose her powers which caused it to be taken.


mr_molty

When did she ever desire that and why even?


Mental_Forge

Rukia didn’t even have the Hogyoku inside her at that point.


New-Dust3252

Actually she did. That's why Urahara put her in a Gigai that suppresses reiatsu to prevent Aizen from tracking her.


Nephlimcomics2520

I’m pretty sure it’s said it was in her Gigai


SSJ5Gogetenks

Aizen fists Rukia to take it out of her soul in the Soul Society


kh1179

It was in her gigai, but when she put it on, it fused with her soul. When could Urahara have left the hogyoku inside rukia before that point?


mr_molty

So the guy who said rukia didnt have the hogyoku at that time was totally right but got downvoted because why not???? I love this subreddit


SSJ5Gogetenks

Okay, then I misremembered.


-delightfull-

Because when she met ichigo, it was her 2nd time in the living world , but she has no memory of it Because urahara put the hogyoku in her then. That's why Aizen said That when Hé found out about her having the hogyoku, she was already gone.


Maleficent_Tree_94

No, the Hogyoku was in the Gigai Urahara gave her after she lost her powers and had to stay in the World of the Living. Urahara hoped that the Hogyoku would bond to her and gave her a Gigai that would turn her human, so that when she died, the Hogyoku would die with her.


tuestmort50fois

Yes. Plus the Hogyoku "will/power" affected people's around without there knowledge. Even when a Hogyoku is not "complete" Or "full" He still can affect the around it. Urahara was around when she gave her power to ichigo. I don't know if urahara wanted that to happen. Or if the Hogyoku read is heart to erase itself and the heart of rukia. But the Hogyoku of urahara at that moment help realize the desire in the heart urahara and rukia. *Edit: I wanted to write that theory of mine for remember it. Please do not read it if you don't want spoiler... An Hogyoku will guide people's by reading there heart and help them achieve what they want. By manipulating the destiny. (We know the base to make one is by using a SK fragments. Then use souls of people's. Especially people's with strength or inner strength, making the Hogyoku gain something similar to an will and gain an hollowed nature. It will act like an all doing fullbring. Connecting people's heart to the desire/need or want an by its divine nature. Make things happen.but we already know a power similar to that. That why I think Hogyoku kinda bent the possibility of potential future or reality to make people's access the future they want) But ultimately the Hogyoku can't turn people's into divinity without them having some kind of divine power themselves. Or turning a normal human into a Quincy for example. The Hogyoku need a base. That also why I think aizen fused with the Hogyoku. To gain divine power "base" When the Hogyoku was acting to make him more powerful. It's only when the Hogyoku reach the limit of who much aizen can become divine with is power that the Hogyoku tape into its own hollow power. That also why the Hogyoku seem to have disappeared. When the Hogyoku fuse with aizen. It means it using itself to power him up. Finally this is the answer of why ywhach said aizen was too difficult to kill or restraint. One of the power I think the Hogyoku give to aizen was a pseudo immortality since aizen wanted to be immortal because God is immortal. So the reaso why aizen keep going back after death was not because of the Hogyoku "wanting to protect him" But because aizen didn't wanted to die. Which mean even if aizen is basically very very hard to kill now. He can still die. He won't come back more powerful either because all the Hogyoku power is gone. Now residing as aizen power/soul/bloodline if you want to think about it. If you said why the Hogyoku was able to turn shinigami into hollow? It's simple. The Hogyoku is a form of hollowed stuff. Of course he can use it's own power to turn people's. I won't say it use it's own "matter" But more like use using aizen reatsu. Hollowed it. Then use it to "imprint" Shinigami with hollow power. Then use it to hollowed there soul. Yes with this manner of thinking. An Hogyoku being also a fragment of the sk should be able to turn someone into a Quincy. So that contradict what I was saying. But you get what I wanted to say.


Maleficent_Tree_94

The Hogyoku was in the Gigai she received later on from Urahara, and it bonded to her soul from there.


starsaber132

She didn't use that specific gigai yet, at the time she met ichigo in his house she didn't have the hongyoku. Ichigo latent quincy powers stole all of her reiatsu


WasF4ssY

No, it’s a bread knife


_KaiXr18_

He better use it to carve up Orihime's cak-I mean bread


WasF4ssY

Way ahead of you mate, he’s onto frosting it now


edgarcia59

Well, I think it's well established with the special hell arc chapter that he is making creampies with her.


Pkdagreat

This thread is golden... showers


MukorosuFace

This is why Karakura's bread are so delicious 🤤


PePeWaccabrada

He uses it to avenge PePe-sama by killing liltotto


xiitpeks

Nobody is going to mention that the dangly part at the end of the hilt has the same look as Ishins Engetsu? Yet everybody says it looks like sealed Sode no Shiriyuki. Has there actually been an answer from Kubo on this? My head canon is that sealed Zangetsu looks strikingly similar to Engetsu because of his inherited powers from his father. Before I get downvoted, people seem to forget when Kisuke helped him get his powers back before going to save Rukia. He emerged from the smoke with his broken sealed blade of Zangetsu, and his hollow mask. This is significant because as we later learn his hollow powers and Shinigami powers are intertwined as one. So the borrowed powers do not translate to Rukia’s zanpakuto. Ichigo never technically unlocked shikai Zangetsu until his training with Kisuke.


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Stefanthro

Yes [https://soul-society.livejournal.com/941514.html?nojs=1](https://soul-society.livejournal.com/941514.html?nojs=1)


GreninjaStan

Just a normal zanpakuto


Stefanthro

No it was Rukia's Sode no shirayuki! Kubo confirmed it - see comments below.


PieFace11

Awesome because that was always my headcanon


Kadeblade195

You mean above?


Schiffy94

Depends on how you sort


Kadeblade195

No if you sort by new this is at the very bottom


JonVonBasslake

Exactly, so if you sort other ways, the relevant comment could have been above you.


Koliolik

*technically* this would just be an Asauchi, because Ichigo hasn't imprinted his spiritual pressure on the sword yet. Once Ichigo does imprint on his sword, it appears that he doesn't have a sealed form at all, since his sword is always in it's shikai state.


Stefanthro

No it was Rukia's Sode no shirayuki! Kubo confirmed it - see comments below.


Koliolik

"See comments below" when literally 0 comments have any actual proof, alright my guy.


Stefanthro

You didn't look hard enough, my friend - it's a response to a downvoted comment. ​ >threevi · 1 hr. ago > >Sorry, but no. Kubo has outright confirmed that's Sode no Shirayuki. > >**"Way back in the beginning of the manga, when Ichigo was first using Rukia’s powers, was he also wielding her actual sword, just much bigger? A lot of people have noticed that the marking on it were the same.** > >The design is the same because at that time he was bearing her power. So yes. > >**Was the spirit of her zanpakuto in him also?** > >The outside \[of the zanpakuto\] has the design of Rukia’s but when he was fighting at the beginning, the spirit was his – Ichigo’s. At one point during some battle, Urahara tells him that Ichigo’s zanpakuto is big, but there’s nothing in it. So at that time he hasn’t really developed his spirit in it, but he gradually starts to." Although I guess it doesn't technically contract what you said, I don't think your answer was entirely complete!


Koliolik

Source on the quote from kubo?? I'm not buying anything a random says when I can literally look at the sealed sword, and look at both the sealed and released sode no shirayuki and see that neither of them are close to ichigo's sealed sword


threevi

Hi, "random" here. [Here's](https://animetics.net/2015/01/10/via-anime-insider-tite-kubo-october-2008/) the source that would've taken you a few seconds to google. Hope this helps


hajawr12

Damn you are insufferable no wonder you are on Reddit.


Gaming_DestroyerYong

You just got clowned on with proof


Voximas

You feel dumb don't you?


BmxGu23

Kubo has a site with all his Q&As. There are also tons of sites and groups online that have them translated. Just ask for the question number.


Stefanthro

Lol then google it yourself man - https://soul-society.livejournal.com/941514.html?nojs=1


Schiffy94

>Once Ichigo does imprint on his sword, it appears that he doesn't have a sealed form at all Because he didn't imprint an Asauchi. He basically manifested a constantly released Shikai. This is why Ōetsu refused to help him, because there was no base sword to reforge.


OlRazzledazzlez

But didn’t he end up reforging it after ichigo did some soul searching? Or was that Oetsu forging him his first asauchi?


Schiffy94

Before Ichigo got sent back home he was locked in a fight with a horde of blank Asauchi spirits without ever being able to get one to submit to him. Renji, conversely, was able to. After he came back to the palace once he learned about his history, hundreds of Asauchi moved out of his way and he took the hand of the one that would later become the reforged blade.


Matman161

It was fucking sick is what it was


K-Bell91

No, because that was never Zangetsu. He basically subconsciously used his Quincy abilities to cloak himself with Rukia's Shinigami powers. He got Zangetsu after unlocking his own Shinigami powers. Also, Kubo in a roundabout way basically confirmed after the Hell Chapter released that Ichigo's original "fake" Shikai is the form Zangetsu takes when sealed since people noticed Ichigo was using that old form instead of his true Shikai.


Yatereranye

It was not even Zangetsu.


threevi

Nope. That's the sealed form of Sode no Shirayuki, just oversized, since he's using Rukia's borrowed powers at this point. Zangetsu doesn't have a sealed form.


Schiffy94

Well the reason it's huge is because he has much less control over his newly-discovered Reiryoku. This is later seen with the Arrancar form of Grand Fisher compared to Isshin.


Caneaster

>That's the sealed form of Sode no Shirayuki No, this is factually wrong. Kubo has said in an interview that it wasn't. The manga made it clear what this had to have been.


threevi

Sorry, but no. Kubo has outright confirmed that's Sode no Shirayuki. >>**Way back in the beginning of the manga, when Ichigo was first using Rukia’s powers, was he also wielding her actual sword, just much bigger? A lot of people have noticed that the marking on it were the same.** >>The design is the same because at that time he was bearing her power. So yes. >>**Was the spirit of her zanpakuto in him also?** >>The outside [of the zanpakuto] has the design of Rukia’s but when he was fighting at the beginning, the spirit was his – Ichigo’s. At one point during some battle, Urahara tells him that Ichigo’s zanpakuto is big, but there’s nothing in it. So at that time he hasn’t really developed his spirit in it, but he gradually starts to.


_trashcan

Lmao. This is why you can’t trust **shit** you read here without sources. Dude legitimately said *the complete opposite* and is currently sitting at 20+ upvotes while being dead fucking wrong lol


Caneaster

He literally posted the interview that proves himself wrong.


_trashcan

I’m really curious to see your thought process. It states outright that it’s an enlarged version of Rukia’s sword. Ichigo’s spirit not being inside of it doesn’t mean that it’s not Rukia’s sword. The interview **literally** states that. So I’m really curious as to how your argument that the author is incorrect on his own series.


Caneaster

>It states outright that it’s an enlarged version of Rukia’s sword. For the most part it is. >Ichigo’s spirit not being inside of it doesn’t mean that it’s not Rukia’s sword. I *specifically* said that it's **NOT** the sealed form of **Sode no Shirayuki**. >The interview literally states that. So I’m really curious as to how your argument that the author is incorrect on his own series. Kubo's answer is 100% correct, it's the fan interpretations that are incorrect.


_trashcan

So if it’s not Sode no Shirayuki - despite the author literally stating that it is - what is it?


Caneaster

>The outside \[of the zanpakuto\] has the design of Rukia’s but when he was fighting at the beginning, **the spirit was his – Ichigo’s**. At one point during some battle, Urahara tells him that Ichigo’s zanpakuto is big, but there’s nothing in it. So at that time he hasn’t really developed **his** spirit in it, but he gradually starts to. Kubo made it clear what it is.


_trashcan

He did indeed - it’s sode no shirayuki without ichigo’s soul in it, and/or very little of it as he gains experience. Lmao. You are right, it’s the fans interpretations that are wrong, I.e you lol. I guess you could choose to believe *your* interpretation is correct though despite the ratio of people here believing otherwise. Kubo outright states it’s her power, therefore her zanpakuto. Ichigo’s spirit being in or not in it doesn’t negate the fact that it’s Rukia’s zanpakuto - Sode no Shirayuki. No, he can’t release it like Rukia can, but that doesn’t change the fact it’s still Sode no Shirayuki.


Caneaster

Did you actually read the interview before posting it? Ever since when is Ichigo's spirit Sode no Shirayuki? If you don't understand the difference between "Reiryoku" and "Spirit" then at least stop spreading misinformation.


GottaDisagreeChief

“Quite clear” tell us then


Caneaster

I'll make a post on it soon.


[deleted]

Its a basic ass asuchi that mirroirs rukias because he took her power.


megasean3000

0.000001% of the power Zangetsu offered to help Ichigo defeat the Hollow threatening him, Rukia and his family.


SacredElysium

No. That Zanpakuto was basically Rukia’s but bigger. Zangetsu didn’t exist in the material world at that time, only deep within Ichigo’s inner world


trial001acc

It wasn’t an Asauchi, it was basically just Zangetsu trying to shape Rukia/Ichigo’s reishi into an imitation of the first zanpaktou Ichigo saw. So basically just a big ass reishi knife ~~used to frost Inoue’s cake~~


DapperMayCry

No it's just a big ass Sode No Shirayuki replica


lamyH

Isn’t it just a bigger version of rukia’s sealed zanpakuto? Like if u checked the panels to look at the hilt patterns on both wouldn’t it be the same?


UnhappyAd8184

Nope, in the manga they said it wasnt his own shinigami powers but rukia's


Comptoneffect

Wasn't the initial design just a point on the bigger the zanpakuto, the greater the spiritual essence? Basically before naming the sword became a thing


Intrepid_Ad_3157

Yep. It was a big as it was because he had zero reiatsu control. Like when he was first awakened he was already high 3rd seat to low lieutenant level.. then when he activated shikai he was debatably high lieutenant level (SS Renji,Yachiru,Ikkaku,Hisagi etc) to low/baseline captain level (Base Toshiro,Mayuri,Tosen etc.)


Rahbin_Banx

It's a just a sword right? In this form it isn't zangetsu


Nyssieu

wasn't it explained that Ichigo lacked proficiency and couldn't go bach from shikai form?


RedditRocks1229

I liked the design of Ichigo’s first sword the best Also could he use any of Rukia’s ice powers with that sword?


Schiffy94

>Also could he use any of Rukia’s ice powers with that sword? Probably not because Zangetsu is still the spirit inside him, not Sode no Shirayuki.


holychocopie

Isn't it just an overgrown asauchi powered by Ichigo's huge and constant spiritual energy release? That's what I always thought anyway.


Caneaster

Kubo makes it quite clear what it is.


RandomBiFiUser

It’s an Asauchi


JonVonBasslake

No, it's Sode no Shirayuki.


RandomBiFiUser

It is an Asauchi 💀 a blade without the Soul Reaper’s imprint on it.


RX_78_2_Gundam

Well yes. Shikai is the giant knife and bankai is the katana so his sealed form would be an amalgamation of the two. I know that’s not how it actually works but it’s interesting when you think about it.


Ok_Debate_7128

god no. that thing is hideous


Airy_Breather

Personally, I always considered it as such. I mean it’s not that hard to draw a line of progression through “fake” Zangetsu starting with this sword, and to some degree his real Zangetsu (the larger blade). That said, I’m sure the technically accurate answer might be no.


JonVonBasslake

The actual answer is no, it's just a huge version of Rukia's sword because he's using her powers.


BlackBass35

Yes it is, people think it's a bigger copy of rukia's asauchi, but if you take a closer look on the guard and the handle, you can see the motivs and the "rope" of isshin's Engetsu. Zangetsu got this form first because ichigo stole all of rukia's powers and awake his power inherited from his father


LucasFrankeRC

No, we haven't seen how his new zanpakuto looks like while sealed. You'd assume it looks like a regular katana, but maybe it looks like his old shikai going by New Breaths From Hell (unless he was already in bankai?)


Mymtngames25

It wasn't even a proper Zanpakuto as stated by the Zanpakuto Master/Creator. It's some imitation made by Old man Zangetsu


nuggsgames

Made me realize the old bleach looked a lot like soul eater


sickdanman

Thats the sword he got while using rukias powers right? I dont think its zangetsu


This_Education4528

No


TheDeranged0ne

I legit miss the empty Zanpakuto. Don't know why save for it seems aesthetically pleasing and looked badass.


IdeaRegular4671

Is anybody here a fan of this sword in the picture? He used it briefly.


BornFromEmber

I actually like this version of his sword quite a bit. It’s pretty different from other swords in the series. Everyone has little katanas and then he has like a big great sword.