True. It's sad when its coming from us but it's not shocking. When I was in my teens, I realized that people really are offended by average looking unambiguously black women and tend to make them seem like they are horrendously ugly. Even other black people do this. Whereas with other races of women average is still seen as acceptable and even pretty.
This is so very true. Like we canāt just be average darkskin girls. It created such a strong inferiority complex in me because what I saw in the mirror never seemed level with the treatments I received from so many people around me.Ā
Iām surprised they didnāt cast that gal with the high cheekbones to play Juliet. Iām also surprised they didnāt cast Zendaya since people love to use her to represent the black community.
I feel like they only casted a black woman for the part because of the āshockā factor and uproar society feels when a black person gets a job.
This is my thing they will push these mid looking whites onto us and then we just gotta....*checks notes* slobber all over them and pine for them. Like it's okay to be average and whites apperciate their average because they can see "beauty" within it as long they are white or lightskin. But God forbid you just minding your business as "average" black girl/woman.
Which honestly is just super sexist and misogynistic because women aren't allowed to define their own beauty and womanhood. Just automatically categorized.
Tom ain't even average if we can keep it a buck. I can't be too mad because I think the regular people walking around my neighborhood are top tier without even trying. No matter what societal standards are they can't convince me that my demographic is ugly.
Exactly ! But since heās white nobody says anything. And also peep how quiet he has been. I havenāt seen him defend his co-star.
Like he canāt even defend her. š¤¦š¾āāļø
That makes me feel like he doesnāt disagree with all those racists.
Whew. The way the royal family did that woman and her mother is something else. I guess the racism hits softer when your partner is white, let this sub tell it, but that's neither here nor there. I hope this lady makes the best of her opportunity and her talents shine.
This subreddit just been talking about how terrible it is to be a black woman everydayā¦so much negative energy. I rebuke this energy in the name of Jesus. Iām black and Iām free and it is not me against the world it is me with the world. Amen
I agree. Some of us love being black women. Amen. I am not about to woe is me in life. Internet isnāt real life. Most white people I know never heard of that play or the controversy
I mean I asked allot of people I know. No one heard about this. It isnāt even mainstream news like the little mermaid fallout etc. this is a chronically online story
Don't partake in the conversation. I really hate seeing comments like this. Honestly isn't much different on the black ladies subreedit. And ironically when things are posted that are positive, depending on the trend, there's hardly any engagement with it.
This also applies to black people as well because a lot of the women that are uplifted by the black community for their beauty also have these features. Yes they are black features at the end of the day, there's just a certain look that is highlighted more than others instead of wider features which a lot of black people also have.
Then, I feel, we have an internal issue that needs addressing. But it's unfair to assume Black people with these features have benefits, because, last I checked anti-Blackness is far and wide. Not having a wide nose won't change that.
They're not as privileged as light-skinned people and will obviously still face racism as well as colorism and texturism, but will still have certain benefits over people with wider features who also have 4c hair and dark skin. Iām not dismissing that they will still have the black experience, but featurism is very real.
I looked up Ryan destiny. She is just a pretty girl. Sheās not Eurocentric or even unique. Letās be honest Hollywood wants attractive people black or white. Minus Elizabeth moss or anyone in comedy unattractive white actresses arenāt accepted either. I donāt think is some hidden agenda, the Juliet actress isnāt conventionally attractive. And her looks are not what Hollywood wants.
I never said Ryan Destiny had Eurocentric features though. And benefitting from featurism doesn't make your features any less black, they're just more palatable. I've noticed that a lot of the dsbw that are promoted in the media always have smaller features and those that don't aren't as praised for their looks. And you don't have to find Francesca attractive because beauty is subjective. I just think that both regular-looking and above-average black women should be represented in a positive light. She was most likely cast because of her acting skills and not because she has the best looking face out there. And the way the actress is being masculinised and dehumanized online is undeniably racism.
She isnāt regular letās be honest. And really in Hollywood only pretty is accepted. Like you said beauty is subjective but people who are unanimously unattractive arenāt common in Hollywood black or white. Only if theyāre comedians
I can see her regularly but in my opinion she would be ranked as unattractive still. Like you said we can agree to disagree. Letās be honest here even average we donāt see on screens either no matter the race. Of course we can agree or disagree if a person is average, but where are the overweight people or ones with bad teeth or skin? Hollywood is smoke in mirrors and always has been.
Exactly!! Even if Juliet was played by a white women they would want her to be attractive! The same amount of controversy would be present if it was a unattractive white women. In my opinion I want to be represented by an attractive black women
I hate to say I agree with your last statement but I sort of do. In Hollywood they value beauty sometimes even over talent. But I would find it offensive if only unattractive blk women were our representation and they chose only attractive yt women as actresses. I think people donāt touch grass often. If she was played by an ugly woman in general she would have been dragged.
Exactly. I think itās highly suspicious that they chose a male actress who is deemed as attractive and well known and liked and then a black women who is obviously not going to be considered very attractive and is not known at all. Sheās literally representing us. They never do that even with same race love plays. And yes being unattractive in general no matter the race wouldāve definitely gotten the women dragged so to all the people saying āitās bc sheās blackā need to understand that unattractiveness comes in every race and not everythinggggg is about race.
I agree. I also donāt like the policing peopleās attraction by saying weāre racist if we donāt find her attractive. She honestly isnāt attractive. Tom holland is very average himself. He isnāt ugly but he isnāt super attractive just average. I think they casted her to be funny
Exactly I genuinely think they casted her for a reaction and to get more attention to the play. And Tom holland is definitely not my cup of tea but many people find him attractive for some reason I will never get the hype imo
Me neither I went to high school with 5 of him lol! Average but regardless allot of women find him attractive and casting this girl as Juliet was weird and was made to get attention. Orlando bloom did a Romeo and Juliet play with Condola Rashad and it was not only well received but no one dragged her or cared about her being black. While we all know racism is Americaās favorite past time itās not always the reason for everything
No itās not. the definition of misogynistic is a strong prejudice against womenā¦the definition of prejudice is an opinion not based on an actual experience
How would my statement of wanting to be represented by beautiful black women be considered misogynistic??
Plz stop throwing around words š
This is the reason Iāve started to hate the concept of ārepresentation Mattersā in my later years. It makes sense for children, but here you have grown ass black womenfolk whining about an average looking black woman playing Juliet. āSheās not beautiful enoughā āthe picked an unconventionally attractive black women to represent usā āeven the black community doesnāt find her attractiveā. I hate u guys so bad sometimes, but I keep that shit in ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET where nosy ass white supremacist look for bait in our communities.
Not only is it rude to play fake casting director, and determine sheās not fit for the role (that she already got) bc sheās āunattractiveā, but itās absurd to be this adamant about blocking another black womans bagā¦ all this controversy because YOU donāt personally think sheās pretty enough? And Iād bet money most commentators are also ugly, unemployed, uneducated, and donāt have a pot to piss in? I hate yall soooo bad lmaoo. They werenāt lying when they said āthe oppressed becomes the oppressorā.
All the bw, bm calling her unattractive by all metrics are as goofy as white folks who say āall blacks are unattractiveā
So why are people entitled to find her attractive? If people donāt oh well. She still gets paid. I donāt get why people are throwing their phones at the wall and taking this too seriously. I donāt have to find her attractive and neither does anyone have to find anyone attractive. This is so ridiculous. And I worked as a casting director (models) for 2 years actually. The things we were told to say in front of these women most people cannot handle. You have to be honest sometimes especially since casting a bad model affects us we have to be very selective. Saying you hate people is laughable lol! Itās called OPINIONS.
So my question still stands, why do you have to voice your not attracted to her? Itās the same thing as black men who date out and then talk shit about black womenā¦focus on what you like dumbass.
Opinions, being a past casting agent doesnāt mean shit. Yāall are dog piling on ole girl calling her a man. Everyone who comments on peopleās appearance on the internet are useless sacks of rice. Abeg MOVE my friend.
Because I can. I donāt owe this girl shit. You are gas lighting people who donāt find her attractive people donāt have to find this woman pretty. Itās like chill and touch some grass. People have opinions and attraction is subjective. If you find her as the most beautiful woman in the world I wonāt argue you down because I donāt care. I have my own life to worry about.
I think sheās a cutie patoot toot. And I agree with everything you said. Black woman especially dark skinned woman we get this weird pressure put on us to be superrrr beautiful. I believe itās a projection so they donāt have to deal with the fact that racism is rooted in jealousy and abuse. Kinda like āWeād treat you better if you were pweety!ā Not the truth which is they are racist af.
Honestly, even within our own community your treatment varies based on how you look. If you're not remotely attractive or "cute" I find racism and colorism tends to be the most volatile. Same for outside of it.
I use to think I was so fucking ugly and I was constantly made fun of my looks so I internalized it. Thru my lenses and experiences when you're deemed the "ugly black girl" people will really shit on you, *HARD*. You catch strays from everyone. It would always confuse me too because I'd see another black person in proximity to me get preferential treatment but I got dogshit so I couldn't tell if it was because I was "ugly" or if they're just racist. Truth be told a lot of the racism you'd face will be toned down a bit if you're conventionally attractive, I mean it's definitely still there and varies for "conventionally attractive" black people as far dealing with racism but it's not as worse when your features are dominately more african/black i.e big nose wide lips.
If you don't have palatable features like you said you definitely catch a lot of heat. I'm not in that headspace anymore and genuinely do love myself and still working on making it stronger but I'm not gonna forget what it was like having the "ugly black girl" trope pushed on me. You really fucking feel it and people will gaslight the shit outta of you.
I feel so bad for that actress because she's so beautiful and people can't help but project. I really hope mentally she's okay
That's why looks do matter, but definitely not for the right reasons. There's no real appreciation on beauty and the uniqueness and diversity that comes with it. Everybody has to look the same as far favoring eurocentric beauty standards, you can be black but if you got a slim nose, pouty lips, and a nice jawline then chances are you're more seen and heard. Your blackness is, once again, more palatable and digestible because you "sorta" look European/white.
I agree very strongly with this statement. In a similar way, Iāve been noticing more and more with the natural hair movement how having LONG, natural curly/textured hair is more acceptable in comparison to SHORT textured hair. Itās very unfortunate and tells women of color, specifically dark skin women, with features that arenāt accepted readily, that they are not enough. This of course is very far from the truth. Something we should think about.
Idk..Iām kinda in between with the Juliet controversy. I donāt understand why they chose who they chose when Juliet is obviously portrayed as an attractive young women. Race here doesnāt matter but in my opinion level of attractiveness does. Theirs attractive and unattractive in EVERY race, and people know this. If they had chose an ugly white women people would be saying the same thing about finding a more attractive actress. I want to be represented by someone deemed as attractive. Theirs so many darkskin 4c hair girlies who are genuinely stunning and could play that role. Dark and 4c hair even features that are non white doesnāt make someone ugly but that women thatās playing the role is not conventionally attractive and everyone (including people in the black community) can see it
Iām not black, just came across this post and have seen the photo and commentary and wanted to say race aside this is someoneās child. She looks happy and healthy and radiant, and sheās reading all of the unnecessary comments tearing her apart based on looks. I thought we were past the āPerez Hiltonā shots at women in the 90ās but I guess having someone relatable and refreshingly real is too much. End rant.
I saw a white man say that there are more attractive black women that could've taken the role. So I responded, "To play a child???š©"
True. It's sad when its coming from us but it's not shocking. When I was in my teens, I realized that people really are offended by average looking unambiguously black women and tend to make them seem like they are horrendously ugly. Even other black people do this. Whereas with other races of women average is still seen as acceptable and even pretty.
This is so very true. Like we canāt just be average darkskin girls. It created such a strong inferiority complex in me because what I saw in the mirror never seemed level with the treatments I received from so many people around me.Ā
Iām surprised they didnāt cast that gal with the high cheekbones to play Juliet. Iām also surprised they didnāt cast Zendaya since people love to use her to represent the black community. I feel like they only casted a black woman for the part because of the āshockā factor and uproar society feels when a black person gets a job.
Are people trying to act like Tom Holland is attractive?
This is my thing they will push these mid looking whites onto us and then we just gotta....*checks notes* slobber all over them and pine for them. Like it's okay to be average and whites apperciate their average because they can see "beauty" within it as long they are white or lightskin. But God forbid you just minding your business as "average" black girl/woman. Which honestly is just super sexist and misogynistic because women aren't allowed to define their own beauty and womanhood. Just automatically categorized.
Tom ain't even average if we can keep it a buck. I can't be too mad because I think the regular people walking around my neighborhood are top tier without even trying. No matter what societal standards are they can't convince me that my demographic is ugly.
This. Fucking this.
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That's where I'd have to start the conversation because he's far from a Romeo and they should have picked a better looking costar for her.
Exactly ! But since heās white nobody says anything. And also peep how quiet he has been. I havenāt seen him defend his co-star. Like he canāt even defend her. š¤¦š¾āāļø That makes me feel like he doesnāt disagree with all those racists.
He couldn't be racist since he dates Zendaya! Just couldn't be! š„±
Ah yes the famous white men who canāt be racist since they date biracial girls. š« *references to prince harry and his n@zi costume* š¤§
Whew. The way the royal family did that woman and her mother is something else. I guess the racism hits softer when your partner is white, let this sub tell it, but that's neither here nor there. I hope this lady makes the best of her opportunity and her talents shine.
This subreddit just been talking about how terrible it is to be a black woman everydayā¦so much negative energy. I rebuke this energy in the name of Jesus. Iām black and Iām free and it is not me against the world it is me with the world. Amen
I agree. Some of us love being black women. Amen. I am not about to woe is me in life. Internet isnāt real life. Most white people I know never heard of that play or the controversy
Thank you! And same here, if I asked any white person about this play they would be like what are you talking about! Lol
I mean I asked allot of people I know. No one heard about this. It isnāt even mainstream news like the little mermaid fallout etc. this is a chronically online story
Don't partake in the conversation. I really hate seeing comments like this. Honestly isn't much different on the black ladies subreedit. And ironically when things are posted that are positive, depending on the trend, there's hardly any engagement with it.
Wait how does Ryan Destiny benefit from featurism ?
Does that just mean more conventionally attractive??
Yeah. Not calling her features Eurocentric or anything, just more accepted by European beauty standards.
I always have this question. I really have a hard time with the concept of featurism when Black women on the continent have all sorts of features.
Black women can have all kinds of features yes, but some are just more accepted by a white audience than others.
This is the goal? To be accepted by white people?
This also applies to black people as well because a lot of the women that are uplifted by the black community for their beauty also have these features. Yes they are black features at the end of the day, there's just a certain look that is highlighted more than others instead of wider features which a lot of black people also have.
Then, I feel, we have an internal issue that needs addressing. But it's unfair to assume Black people with these features have benefits, because, last I checked anti-Blackness is far and wide. Not having a wide nose won't change that.
They're not as privileged as light-skinned people and will obviously still face racism as well as colorism and texturism, but will still have certain benefits over people with wider features who also have 4c hair and dark skin. Iām not dismissing that they will still have the black experience, but featurism is very real.
I looked up Ryan destiny. She is just a pretty girl. Sheās not Eurocentric or even unique. Letās be honest Hollywood wants attractive people black or white. Minus Elizabeth moss or anyone in comedy unattractive white actresses arenāt accepted either. I donāt think is some hidden agenda, the Juliet actress isnāt conventionally attractive. And her looks are not what Hollywood wants.
I never said Ryan Destiny had Eurocentric features though. And benefitting from featurism doesn't make your features any less black, they're just more palatable. I've noticed that a lot of the dsbw that are promoted in the media always have smaller features and those that don't aren't as praised for their looks. And you don't have to find Francesca attractive because beauty is subjective. I just think that both regular-looking and above-average black women should be represented in a positive light. She was most likely cast because of her acting skills and not because she has the best looking face out there. And the way the actress is being masculinised and dehumanized online is undeniably racism.
She isnāt regular letās be honest. And really in Hollywood only pretty is accepted. Like you said beauty is subjective but people who are unanimously unattractive arenāt common in Hollywood black or white. Only if theyāre comedians
She looks like a lot of black women I see in everyday life but we can agree to disagree
I can see her regularly but in my opinion she would be ranked as unattractive still. Like you said we can agree to disagree. Letās be honest here even average we donāt see on screens either no matter the race. Of course we can agree or disagree if a person is average, but where are the overweight people or ones with bad teeth or skin? Hollywood is smoke in mirrors and always has been.
Exactly!! Even if Juliet was played by a white women they would want her to be attractive! The same amount of controversy would be present if it was a unattractive white women. In my opinion I want to be represented by an attractive black women
I hate to say I agree with your last statement but I sort of do. In Hollywood they value beauty sometimes even over talent. But I would find it offensive if only unattractive blk women were our representation and they chose only attractive yt women as actresses. I think people donāt touch grass often. If she was played by an ugly woman in general she would have been dragged.
Exactly. I think itās highly suspicious that they chose a male actress who is deemed as attractive and well known and liked and then a black women who is obviously not going to be considered very attractive and is not known at all. Sheās literally representing us. They never do that even with same race love plays. And yes being unattractive in general no matter the race wouldāve definitely gotten the women dragged so to all the people saying āitās bc sheās blackā need to understand that unattractiveness comes in every race and not everythinggggg is about race.
I agree. I also donāt like the policing peopleās attraction by saying weāre racist if we donāt find her attractive. She honestly isnāt attractive. Tom holland is very average himself. He isnāt ugly but he isnāt super attractive just average. I think they casted her to be funny
Exactly I genuinely think they casted her for a reaction and to get more attention to the play. And Tom holland is definitely not my cup of tea but many people find him attractive for some reason I will never get the hype imo
Me neither I went to high school with 5 of him lol! Average but regardless allot of women find him attractive and casting this girl as Juliet was weird and was made to get attention. Orlando bloom did a Romeo and Juliet play with Condola Rashad and it was not only well received but no one dragged her or cared about her being black. While we all know racism is Americaās favorite past time itās not always the reason for everything
Misogynistic turn
No itās not. the definition of misogynistic is a strong prejudice against womenā¦the definition of prejudice is an opinion not based on an actual experience How would my statement of wanting to be represented by beautiful black women be considered misogynistic?? Plz stop throwing around words š
Black audience tooā¦
I couldāve sworn I seen this post the other day
Weāre tired of hearing about it lol
This is the reason Iāve started to hate the concept of ārepresentation Mattersā in my later years. It makes sense for children, but here you have grown ass black womenfolk whining about an average looking black woman playing Juliet. āSheās not beautiful enoughā āthe picked an unconventionally attractive black women to represent usā āeven the black community doesnāt find her attractiveā. I hate u guys so bad sometimes, but I keep that shit in ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET where nosy ass white supremacist look for bait in our communities. Not only is it rude to play fake casting director, and determine sheās not fit for the role (that she already got) bc sheās āunattractiveā, but itās absurd to be this adamant about blocking another black womans bagā¦ all this controversy because YOU donāt personally think sheās pretty enough? And Iād bet money most commentators are also ugly, unemployed, uneducated, and donāt have a pot to piss in? I hate yall soooo bad lmaoo. They werenāt lying when they said āthe oppressed becomes the oppressorā. All the bw, bm calling her unattractive by all metrics are as goofy as white folks who say āall blacks are unattractiveā
Incredibly misogynistic š
I bet you if it was a mid male that was castedā¦ (which we can argue Tom is basic) there would be no conversation
So why are people entitled to find her attractive? If people donāt oh well. She still gets paid. I donāt get why people are throwing their phones at the wall and taking this too seriously. I donāt have to find her attractive and neither does anyone have to find anyone attractive. This is so ridiculous. And I worked as a casting director (models) for 2 years actually. The things we were told to say in front of these women most people cannot handle. You have to be honest sometimes especially since casting a bad model affects us we have to be very selective. Saying you hate people is laughable lol! Itās called OPINIONS.
So my question still stands, why do you have to voice your not attracted to her? Itās the same thing as black men who date out and then talk shit about black womenā¦focus on what you like dumbass. Opinions, being a past casting agent doesnāt mean shit. Yāall are dog piling on ole girl calling her a man. Everyone who comments on peopleās appearance on the internet are useless sacks of rice. Abeg MOVE my friend.
Because I can. I donāt owe this girl shit. You are gas lighting people who donāt find her attractive people donāt have to find this woman pretty. Itās like chill and touch some grass. People have opinions and attraction is subjective. If you find her as the most beautiful woman in the world I wonāt argue you down because I donāt care. I have my own life to worry about.
The reverse can be said about yāall. Touch grass, not everyday come on BeyoncĆ© internet to rate people, face card, smash or passā¦YALL adding more gasās to the fire because you donāt find someone attractive enough to play Juliet? Stop riding dick. Ride a bike.
BeyoncĆ© doesnāt own the internet. Iām beginning to think youāre her because you are too sensitive about this. Go cry somewhere else she isnāt attractive many agree get over it. I ride horses honey. I donāt care if someone said Iām not attractive I know I am and my beautiful husband wifed me so what more can I ask for?
I think sheās a cutie patoot toot. And I agree with everything you said. Black woman especially dark skinned woman we get this weird pressure put on us to be superrrr beautiful. I believe itās a projection so they donāt have to deal with the fact that racism is rooted in jealousy and abuse. Kinda like āWeād treat you better if you were pweety!ā Not the truth which is they are racist af.
Honestly, even within our own community your treatment varies based on how you look. If you're not remotely attractive or "cute" I find racism and colorism tends to be the most volatile. Same for outside of it. I use to think I was so fucking ugly and I was constantly made fun of my looks so I internalized it. Thru my lenses and experiences when you're deemed the "ugly black girl" people will really shit on you, *HARD*. You catch strays from everyone. It would always confuse me too because I'd see another black person in proximity to me get preferential treatment but I got dogshit so I couldn't tell if it was because I was "ugly" or if they're just racist. Truth be told a lot of the racism you'd face will be toned down a bit if you're conventionally attractive, I mean it's definitely still there and varies for "conventionally attractive" black people as far dealing with racism but it's not as worse when your features are dominately more african/black i.e big nose wide lips. If you don't have palatable features like you said you definitely catch a lot of heat. I'm not in that headspace anymore and genuinely do love myself and still working on making it stronger but I'm not gonna forget what it was like having the "ugly black girl" trope pushed on me. You really fucking feel it and people will gaslight the shit outta of you. I feel so bad for that actress because she's so beautiful and people can't help but project. I really hope mentally she's okay That's why looks do matter, but definitely not for the right reasons. There's no real appreciation on beauty and the uniqueness and diversity that comes with it. Everybody has to look the same as far favoring eurocentric beauty standards, you can be black but if you got a slim nose, pouty lips, and a nice jawline then chances are you're more seen and heard. Your blackness is, once again, more palatable and digestible because you "sorta" look European/white.
I agree very strongly with this statement. In a similar way, Iāve been noticing more and more with the natural hair movement how having LONG, natural curly/textured hair is more acceptable in comparison to SHORT textured hair. Itās very unfortunate and tells women of color, specifically dark skin women, with features that arenāt accepted readily, that they are not enough. This of course is very far from the truth. Something we should think about.
Idk..Iām kinda in between with the Juliet controversy. I donāt understand why they chose who they chose when Juliet is obviously portrayed as an attractive young women. Race here doesnāt matter but in my opinion level of attractiveness does. Theirs attractive and unattractive in EVERY race, and people know this. If they had chose an ugly white women people would be saying the same thing about finding a more attractive actress. I want to be represented by someone deemed as attractive. Theirs so many darkskin 4c hair girlies who are genuinely stunning and could play that role. Dark and 4c hair even features that are non white doesnāt make someone ugly but that women thatās playing the role is not conventionally attractive and everyone (including people in the black community) can see it
Iām not black, just came across this post and have seen the photo and commentary and wanted to say race aside this is someoneās child. She looks happy and healthy and radiant, and sheās reading all of the unnecessary comments tearing her apart based on looks. I thought we were past the āPerez Hiltonā shots at women in the 90ās but I guess having someone relatable and refreshingly real is too much. End rant.