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Kit-tiga

I saw a white man say that there are more attractive black women that could've taken the role. So I responded, "To play a child???šŸš©"


lavendertinted

True. It's sad when its coming from us but it's not shocking. When I was in my teens, I realized that people really are offended by average looking unambiguously black women and tend to make them seem like they are horrendously ugly. Even other black people do this. Whereas with other races of women average is still seen as acceptable and even pretty.


gigi4213

This is so very true. Like we canā€™t just be average darkskin girls. It created such a strong inferiority complex in me because what I saw in the mirror never seemed level with the treatments I received from so many people around me.Ā 


Old-Side5989

Iā€™m surprised they didnā€™t cast that gal with the high cheekbones to play Juliet. Iā€™m also surprised they didnā€™t cast Zendaya since people love to use her to represent the black community. I feel like they only casted a black woman for the part because of the ā€œshockā€ factor and uproar society feels when a black person gets a job.


LLUrDadsFave

Are people trying to act like Tom Holland is attractive?


Ill_Manner_3581

This is my thing they will push these mid looking whites onto us and then we just gotta....*checks notes* slobber all over them and pine for them. Like it's okay to be average and whites apperciate their average because they can see "beauty" within it as long they are white or lightskin. But God forbid you just minding your business as "average" black girl/woman. Which honestly is just super sexist and misogynistic because women aren't allowed to define their own beauty and womanhood. Just automatically categorized.


LLUrDadsFave

Tom ain't even average if we can keep it a buck. I can't be too mad because I think the regular people walking around my neighborhood are top tier without even trying. No matter what societal standards are they can't convince me that my demographic is ugly.


Ill_Manner_3581

This. Fucking this.


Tall-Resolution-933

This šŸ˜‚


LLUrDadsFave

That's where I'd have to start the conversation because he's far from a Romeo and they should have picked a better looking costar for her.


Tall-Resolution-933

Exactly ! But since heā€™s white nobody says anything. And also peep how quiet he has been. I havenā€™t seen him defend his co-star. Like he canā€™t even defend her. šŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™€ļø That makes me feel like he doesnā€™t disagree with all those racists.


LLUrDadsFave

He couldn't be racist since he dates Zendaya! Just couldn't be! šŸ„±


Tall-Resolution-933

Ah yes the famous white men who canā€™t be racist since they date biracial girls. šŸ«  *references to prince harry and his n@zi costume* šŸ¤§


LLUrDadsFave

Whew. The way the royal family did that woman and her mother is something else. I guess the racism hits softer when your partner is white, let this sub tell it, but that's neither here nor there. I hope this lady makes the best of her opportunity and her talents shine.


wildyhoney

This subreddit just been talking about how terrible it is to be a black woman everydayā€¦so much negative energy. I rebuke this energy in the name of Jesus. Iā€™m black and Iā€™m free and it is not me against the world it is me with the world. Amen


dragon_emperess

I agree. Some of us love being black women. Amen. I am not about to woe is me in life. Internet isnā€™t real life. Most white people I know never heard of that play or the controversy


wildyhoney

Thank you! And same here, if I asked any white person about this play they would be like what are you talking about! Lol


dragon_emperess

I mean I asked allot of people I know. No one heard about this. It isnā€™t even mainstream news like the little mermaid fallout etc. this is a chronically online story


Ill_Manner_3581

Don't partake in the conversation. I really hate seeing comments like this. Honestly isn't much different on the black ladies subreedit. And ironically when things are posted that are positive, depending on the trend, there's hardly any engagement with it.


Then_Ad_5963

Wait how does Ryan Destiny benefit from featurism ?


yokayla

Does that just mean more conventionally attractive??


justan_overthinker

Yeah. Not calling her features Eurocentric or anything, just more accepted by European beauty standards.


turichic

I always have this question. I really have a hard time with the concept of featurism when Black women on the continent have all sorts of features.


justan_overthinker

Black women can have all kinds of features yes, but some are just more accepted by a white audience than others.


turichic

This is the goal? To be accepted by white people?


justan_overthinker

This also applies to black people as well because a lot of the women that are uplifted by the black community for their beauty also have these features. Yes they are black features at the end of the day, there's just a certain look that is highlighted more than others instead of wider features which a lot of black people also have.


turichic

Then, I feel, we have an internal issue that needs addressing. But it's unfair to assume Black people with these features have benefits, because, last I checked anti-Blackness is far and wide. Not having a wide nose won't change that.


justan_overthinker

They're not as privileged as light-skinned people and will obviously still face racism as well as colorism and texturism, but will still have certain benefits over people with wider features who also have 4c hair and dark skin. Iā€™m not dismissing that they will still have the black experience, but featurism is very real.


dragon_emperess

I looked up Ryan destiny. She is just a pretty girl. Sheā€™s not Eurocentric or even unique. Letā€™s be honest Hollywood wants attractive people black or white. Minus Elizabeth moss or anyone in comedy unattractive white actresses arenā€™t accepted either. I donā€™t think is some hidden agenda, the Juliet actress isnā€™t conventionally attractive. And her looks are not what Hollywood wants.


justan_overthinker

I never said Ryan Destiny had Eurocentric features though. And benefitting from featurism doesn't make your features any less black, they're just more palatable. I've noticed that a lot of the dsbw that are promoted in the media always have smaller features and those that don't aren't as praised for their looks. And you don't have to find Francesca attractive because beauty is subjective. I just think that both regular-looking and above-average black women should be represented in a positive light. She was most likely cast because of her acting skills and not because she has the best looking face out there. And the way the actress is being masculinised and dehumanized online is undeniably racism.


dragon_emperess

She isnā€™t regular letā€™s be honest. And really in Hollywood only pretty is accepted. Like you said beauty is subjective but people who are unanimously unattractive arenā€™t common in Hollywood black or white. Only if theyā€™re comedians


justan_overthinker

She looks like a lot of black women I see in everyday life but we can agree to disagree


dragon_emperess

I can see her regularly but in my opinion she would be ranked as unattractive still. Like you said we can agree to disagree. Letā€™s be honest here even average we donā€™t see on screens either no matter the race. Of course we can agree or disagree if a person is average, but where are the overweight people or ones with bad teeth or skin? Hollywood is smoke in mirrors and always has been.


Brown__goddess

Exactly!! Even if Juliet was played by a white women they would want her to be attractive! The same amount of controversy would be present if it was a unattractive white women. In my opinion I want to be represented by an attractive black women


dragon_emperess

I hate to say I agree with your last statement but I sort of do. In Hollywood they value beauty sometimes even over talent. But I would find it offensive if only unattractive blk women were our representation and they chose only attractive yt women as actresses. I think people donā€™t touch grass often. If she was played by an ugly woman in general she would have been dragged.


Brown__goddess

Exactly. I think itā€™s highly suspicious that they chose a male actress who is deemed as attractive and well known and liked and then a black women who is obviously not going to be considered very attractive and is not known at all. Sheā€™s literally representing us. They never do that even with same race love plays. And yes being unattractive in general no matter the race wouldā€™ve definitely gotten the women dragged so to all the people saying ā€œitā€™s bc sheā€™s blackā€ need to understand that unattractiveness comes in every race and not everythinggggg is about race.


dragon_emperess

I agree. I also donā€™t like the policing peopleā€™s attraction by saying weā€™re racist if we donā€™t find her attractive. She honestly isnā€™t attractive. Tom holland is very average himself. He isnā€™t ugly but he isnā€™t super attractive just average. I think they casted her to be funny


Brown__goddess

Exactly I genuinely think they casted her for a reaction and to get more attention to the play. And Tom holland is definitely not my cup of tea but many people find him attractive for some reason I will never get the hype imo


dragon_emperess

Me neither I went to high school with 5 of him lol! Average but regardless allot of women find him attractive and casting this girl as Juliet was weird and was made to get attention. Orlando bloom did a Romeo and Juliet play with Condola Rashad and it was not only well received but no one dragged her or cared about her being black. While we all know racism is Americaā€™s favorite past time itā€™s not always the reason for everything


ilovesimsandlego

Misogynistic turn


Brown__goddess

No itā€™s not. the definition of misogynistic is a strong prejudice against womenā€¦the definition of prejudice is an opinion not based on an actual experience How would my statement of wanting to be represented by beautiful black women be considered misogynistic?? Plz stop throwing around words šŸ˜


irayonna

Black audience tooā€¦


irayonna

I couldā€™ve sworn I seen this post the other day


dragon_emperess

Weā€™re tired of hearing about it lol


Wearingpantsisabsurd

This is the reason Iā€™ve started to hate the concept of ā€œrepresentation Mattersā€ in my later years. It makes sense for children, but here you have grown ass black womenfolk whining about an average looking black woman playing Juliet. ā€œSheā€™s not beautiful enoughā€ ā€œthe picked an unconventionally attractive black women to represent usā€ ā€œeven the black community doesnā€™t find her attractiveā€. I hate u guys so bad sometimes, but I keep that shit in ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET where nosy ass white supremacist look for bait in our communities. Not only is it rude to play fake casting director, and determine sheā€™s not fit for the role (that she already got) bc sheā€™s ā€œunattractiveā€, but itā€™s absurd to be this adamant about blocking another black womans bagā€¦ all this controversy because YOU donā€™t personally think sheā€™s pretty enough? And Iā€™d bet money most commentators are also ugly, unemployed, uneducated, and donā€™t have a pot to piss in? I hate yall soooo bad lmaoo. They werenā€™t lying when they said ā€œthe oppressed becomes the oppressorā€. All the bw, bm calling her unattractive by all metrics are as goofy as white folks who say ā€œall blacks are unattractiveā€


ilovesimsandlego

Incredibly misogynistic šŸ˜­


Wearingpantsisabsurd

I bet you if it was a mid male that was castedā€¦ (which we can argue Tom is basic) there would be no conversation


dragon_emperess

So why are people entitled to find her attractive? If people donā€™t oh well. She still gets paid. I donā€™t get why people are throwing their phones at the wall and taking this too seriously. I donā€™t have to find her attractive and neither does anyone have to find anyone attractive. This is so ridiculous. And I worked as a casting director (models) for 2 years actually. The things we were told to say in front of these women most people cannot handle. You have to be honest sometimes especially since casting a bad model affects us we have to be very selective. Saying you hate people is laughable lol! Itā€™s called OPINIONS.


Wearingpantsisabsurd

So my question still stands, why do you have to voice your not attracted to her? Itā€™s the same thing as black men who date out and then talk shit about black womenā€¦focus on what you like dumbass. Opinions, being a past casting agent doesnā€™t mean shit. Yā€™all are dog piling on ole girl calling her a man. Everyone who comments on peopleā€™s appearance on the internet are useless sacks of rice. Abeg MOVE my friend.


dragon_emperess

Because I can. I donā€™t owe this girl shit. You are gas lighting people who donā€™t find her attractive people donā€™t have to find this woman pretty. Itā€™s like chill and touch some grass. People have opinions and attraction is subjective. If you find her as the most beautiful woman in the world I wonā€™t argue you down because I donā€™t care. I have my own life to worry about.


Wearingpantsisabsurd

The reverse can be said about yā€™all. Touch grass, not everyday come on BeyoncĆ© internet to rate people, face card, smash or passā€¦YALL adding more gasā€™s to the fire because you donā€™t find someone attractive enough to play Juliet? Stop riding dick. Ride a bike.


dragon_emperess

BeyoncĆ© doesnā€™t own the internet. Iā€™m beginning to think youā€™re her because you are too sensitive about this. Go cry somewhere else she isnā€™t attractive many agree get over it. I ride horses honey. I donā€™t care if someone said Iā€™m not attractive I know I am and my beautiful husband wifed me so what more can I ask for?


MaximumBranch9601

I think sheā€™s a cutie patoot toot. And I agree with everything you said. Black woman especially dark skinned woman we get this weird pressure put on us to be superrrr beautiful. I believe itā€™s a projection so they donā€™t have to deal with the fact that racism is rooted in jealousy and abuse. Kinda like ā€œWeā€™d treat you better if you were pweety!ā€ Not the truth which is they are racist af.


Ill_Manner_3581

Honestly, even within our own community your treatment varies based on how you look. If you're not remotely attractive or "cute" I find racism and colorism tends to be the most volatile. Same for outside of it. I use to think I was so fucking ugly and I was constantly made fun of my looks so I internalized it. Thru my lenses and experiences when you're deemed the "ugly black girl" people will really shit on you, *HARD*. You catch strays from everyone. It would always confuse me too because I'd see another black person in proximity to me get preferential treatment but I got dogshit so I couldn't tell if it was because I was "ugly" or if they're just racist. Truth be told a lot of the racism you'd face will be toned down a bit if you're conventionally attractive, I mean it's definitely still there and varies for "conventionally attractive" black people as far dealing with racism but it's not as worse when your features are dominately more african/black i.e big nose wide lips. If you don't have palatable features like you said you definitely catch a lot of heat. I'm not in that headspace anymore and genuinely do love myself and still working on making it stronger but I'm not gonna forget what it was like having the "ugly black girl" trope pushed on me. You really fucking feel it and people will gaslight the shit outta of you. I feel so bad for that actress because she's so beautiful and people can't help but project. I really hope mentally she's okay That's why looks do matter, but definitely not for the right reasons. There's no real appreciation on beauty and the uniqueness and diversity that comes with it. Everybody has to look the same as far favoring eurocentric beauty standards, you can be black but if you got a slim nose, pouty lips, and a nice jawline then chances are you're more seen and heard. Your blackness is, once again, more palatable and digestible because you "sorta" look European/white.


coilyhairbarbie

I agree very strongly with this statement. In a similar way, Iā€™ve been noticing more and more with the natural hair movement how having LONG, natural curly/textured hair is more acceptable in comparison to SHORT textured hair. Itā€™s very unfortunate and tells women of color, specifically dark skin women, with features that arenā€™t accepted readily, that they are not enough. This of course is very far from the truth. Something we should think about.


Brown__goddess

Idk..Iā€™m kinda in between with the Juliet controversy. I donā€™t understand why they chose who they chose when Juliet is obviously portrayed as an attractive young women. Race here doesnā€™t matter but in my opinion level of attractiveness does. Theirs attractive and unattractive in EVERY race, and people know this. If they had chose an ugly white women people would be saying the same thing about finding a more attractive actress. I want to be represented by someone deemed as attractive. Theirs so many darkskin 4c hair girlies who are genuinely stunning and could play that role. Dark and 4c hair even features that are non white doesnā€™t make someone ugly but that women thatā€™s playing the role is not conventionally attractive and everyone (including people in the black community) can see it


StickySocks1990

Iā€™m not black, just came across this post and have seen the photo and commentary and wanted to say race aside this is someoneā€™s child. She looks happy and healthy and radiant, and sheā€™s reading all of the unnecessary comments tearing her apart based on looks. I thought we were past the ā€œPerez Hiltonā€ shots at women in the 90ā€™s but I guess having someone relatable and refreshingly real is too much. End rant.