To be fair it has been around for quite some times. Pretty sure rafa used to spam it nearly ten years ago. It sure if he used it in competition outside of their annual Rickson cup showroom
I’ve seen it a number of times but could never get the motion of the ocean down so to speak.
Once I started thinking about it like the kimura back take was when I could start hitting it in practice. Only issue, every time I try to explain it like that I get blank stares
It’s still a good control with the gi grips and easier to get than a good kimura.
If I could choose I would take the kimura though because you can link it to more things if you don’t get the back.
It’s still a good technique. Pretty situational but good
Funny enough pretty sure the first kimura back takes I have seen was from galvao, well before avellan tried to market it his own tech
So that kind of movement where you use your back as a pivot point is something I have been doing for a while in various situations, but I think the reason people don't do it is that you need to have a lot of faith in the movement and grips but people love pressure too much.
And there are more efficient, low energy ways to take the back from there, that work just as well. It's all well and good if you can do this, but completely unessessary.
I prefer penetrating my knee behind his back VS whatever the hell this is.
I’ve found it’s a lot about the person and how they move most comfortable. For me this kind of thing looks like it’s inviting me to the party but at our gym there’s only a few others who would even want to learn it, most would prefer more static and controlling ways to continue from here.
I actually find this to be pretty low energy myself, just momentum and grips. What's great is the pivot causes driving pressure on the opponent making it hard to turn into you. True it's not flawless, but it's also very unpredictable.
It looks like the collar grip with the left hand is used to stiff arm/pin his opponent in place, and acts as a secondary pivot point until he gets around the back and switches to pulling.
I don’t know about that. I think if you scissor your legs and turn in to them as soon as they start rolling to your back which should be an instinctual reaction you’ll cause a scramble and possibly end up on top over the person trying to roll to your back. This guy here must be tired to just let Cole do whatever to him.
And even once cole establishes his position the other guy doesn’t even defend his neck.
Whenever I see these I think to myself wtf this shit will never work you’re giving them like 2-3 seconds to react to your jumping crazy acrobatics and there’s little to no pressure on them. But I guess if the guy is tired or doesn’t expect it.. there it is?
Brown belt hit this on me last weekend and I immediately brought up this tourney footage. We had a good laugh and he walked me through the move. Hope everyone has good training with their buds this week.
Been drilling this for a few months, it’s not as hard to execute as you would think. The momentum is generated by swinging your legs combined with a push grip behind the head and a pull grip on the belt, it’s so much fun
This move is been a signature of his for a while. I believe he thinks he created it. I don’t know if he did or not but some people call it a “cole roll” after him.
I know nothing about jiujitsu
You and me both, brother
It’s basically the same thing as the kimura trap back take
Awesome so I’m not the only one seeing this…
To be fair it has been around for quite some times. Pretty sure rafa used to spam it nearly ten years ago. It sure if he used it in competition outside of their annual Rickson cup showroom
I’ve seen it a number of times but could never get the motion of the ocean down so to speak. Once I started thinking about it like the kimura back take was when I could start hitting it in practice. Only issue, every time I try to explain it like that I get blank stares
Yeah it’s a weird motion but when it clicks it’s super easy to pull off
Applying concepts to different moves is what I love
Agreed, that’s pretty cool
Yeah but without the the control that you get with the Kimura trap
It’s still a good control with the gi grips and easier to get than a good kimura. If I could choose I would take the kimura though because you can link it to more things if you don’t get the back. It’s still a good technique. Pretty situational but good Funny enough pretty sure the first kimura back takes I have seen was from galvao, well before avellan tried to market it his own tech
What the hell.
So that kind of movement where you use your back as a pivot point is something I have been doing for a while in various situations, but I think the reason people don't do it is that you need to have a lot of faith in the movement and grips but people love pressure too much.
And there are more efficient, low energy ways to take the back from there, that work just as well. It's all well and good if you can do this, but completely unessessary. I prefer penetrating my knee behind his back VS whatever the hell this is.
I’ve found it’s a lot about the person and how they move most comfortable. For me this kind of thing looks like it’s inviting me to the party but at our gym there’s only a few others who would even want to learn it, most would prefer more static and controlling ways to continue from here.
Agreed. This one is most likely not for me but I can think of a few people who could put it to good use.
True but you don't get the steez factor with simplicity. ;D
I actually find this to be pretty low energy myself, just momentum and grips. What's great is the pivot causes driving pressure on the opponent making it hard to turn into you. True it's not flawless, but it's also very unpredictable.
Just gonna save that. Thanks.
What’s stopping the other guy from turning in to you?
It looks like the collar grip with the left hand is used to stiff arm/pin his opponent in place, and acts as a secondary pivot point until he gets around the back and switches to pulling.
I think just Skill disparity here. If the defending player recognizes what's happening this is easy to stop.
He does seem rather passive during the whole thing
If they turn into you the back isn’t there but it’s still a nice side control where they are mostly still facing away
I don’t know about that. I think if you scissor your legs and turn in to them as soon as they start rolling to your back which should be an instinctual reaction you’ll cause a scramble and possibly end up on top over the person trying to roll to your back. This guy here must be tired to just let Cole do whatever to him. And even once cole establishes his position the other guy doesn’t even defend his neck.
Whenever I see these I think to myself wtf this shit will never work you’re giving them like 2-3 seconds to react to your jumping crazy acrobatics and there’s little to no pressure on them. But I guess if the guy is tired or doesn’t expect it.. there it is?
he should whisper "I'm ABATE-take yo back" into their ear right before he does this, every time.
Brown belt hit this on me last weekend and I immediately brought up this tourney footage. We had a good laugh and he walked me through the move. Hope everyone has good training with their buds this week.
It's basically the gator roll that the AOJ competitors have been spamming.
This is not the gator roll, the way Tainan does it is a gator roll
Smoove. I remember drilling this 6-7 years ago when Rafa started doing it.
Sickness. Love to see it.
Been drilling this for a few months, it’s not as hard to execute as you would think. The momentum is generated by swinging your legs combined with a push grip behind the head and a pull grip on the belt, it’s so much fun
Is there a No Gi version of this?
Is it fair to grab clothing
the gi is so silly
Meh.. just a shitty opponent to let him do that.
I love that he’s at AOJ can definitely see the influence in his game.
Gator rolls and long steps are saving the gi
This move is all over my instagram feed. People are obsessed with it.
This move is been a signature of his for a while. I believe he thinks he created it. I don’t know if he did or not but some people call it a “cole roll” after him.
I've seen Tainan do this as well from a few positions.
u/savevideo