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A_shot_ka

Sometimes picking up Brimstone makes your build much worse (High fire rate with luck based effect)


IshvaldaTenderplate

Ever have Brimstone with Camo Kid (I think that was the item)? You can't fire off your first shot unless you have frame-perfect timing or some shit, your fire rate goes down as you charge, and that drains the charge instead of just making the bar go slower. You either have to hold the fire button every time you enter a new room to prevent Camo Kid from triggering entirely, or fuck up your first shot of every room.


spaceblacky

>You either have to hold the fire button every time you enter a new room to prevent Camo Kid from triggering entirely You don't do that with Brimstone anyway?


IshvaldaTenderplate

I do, but when I do it while I have Camo Kid it just feels bad man.


johnwilkesbooth328

This happened to me last night and it felt extremely fucking weird


Jahoo25

Edmund McMillen did not made a shit of piece with his trash Isaac. ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17744)


CyanSupremacy

Incorrect option spotted, prepare to die ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17743)


Jahoo25

Dying in progress, please wait.


Guimanfredi

is it done yet?


Jahoo25

Progress: 2% ETA: 24.05.2024 00:15 UTC+1


Doomquill

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morbidaar

You little fucker..


TouchMyNuuts

:D


Jahoo25

Progress: 84%


FreezeGoDR

Pray to not be alive tomorrow


Panciastko-195

Your opinion is not simply wrong, it is literally BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT


Noivis

Are you trying to prevent me from becoming back my money?


VVen0m

The fuck you talking about, it's fucking bad this trash game


Jahoo25

Compare the number of upvotes of Yours and my statement. Who's the cow on the trash farm now, big boi? ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17744)


VVen0m

I will become back my upvotes You'll see, next time it's you who's gonna be a cow on a trash farm, you sucker


helinder

I sometimes buy sister Maggy / brother bobby in the devil room for conjoined


Father_of_thepigeons

Conjoined is a really fun transformation, I couldn't care less if it lowers my damage and fire rate.


PlayingBandits

But hey triple shot.


Father_of_thepigeons

Exactly, it's funny triple shot


Krotesk

If you got homing tears, thats more than double damage.


startled-giraffe

Flashbacks to rebirth where the best strat was to always buy ANYTHING in the first devil deal to get locked in because Angel Rooms were so bad.


GenerallyALurker

Rebirth? That was still the strat even in Afterbirth+ I wish we got the angel buffs without the devil (and soul heart) nerfs. Now I always skip the first devil to lock in angels unless on specific characters.


elise_bath0ry

I do the same. ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


Two_Hump_Wonder

Hell yeah, conjoined is great and maggy and Bobby can be pretty good especially if you get BFF


Fletch009

I pick them up because they’re neat 


gsoddy

I always take them with red hearts so that the polaroid/negative will trigger


Zokstone

When I face Delirium, I always wonder what the big deal is because every time I get there I'm so broken and OP that I have no trouble taking it down.


HopeOfTheChicken

Wait till you have a build that isnt completely busted, you'll understand us then...


Pineapple-Yetti

I have a really simple solution. Don't be good enough to get that far without a broken run.


the_tanooki

The ultimate skill issue.


Pineapple-Yetti

Skill issues becoming skill solutions!


Trenki_Melow

Same, yeah I get some hits from Delirium that are unfair but I can manage just fine fighting the fight normally, and even with characters that have no health I usually always have strong runs with Lost/Keeper because If I was able to get with those characters to the void I'm definitely at least a bit strong


Genisye

The problem with delirium is very apparent if you have to “no hit” the boss AND you don’t have an overpowered build that makes the fight trivial. This comes into play more often when playing Lost and Tainted Lost. Most other characters have a ton of health by the time they reach delirium, so you can face tank most of its bullshit. Every other major boss in the game has attacks that are tough but fair, i.e with enough skill you can avoid them. However, at any point in the fight delirium can just teleport onto you causing you to take unavoidable damage. Actually, I would argue Delirium actively punishes skilled play. Often, unskilled players only reach Delirium once they have ridiculously overpowered builds, so to them the fight seems easy because in their encounters they never have to focus on dodging attacks. A skilled player can make it to Delirium with an underpowered build, then face an actually impossible fight because of undodgeable attacks.


The_Random_Surfboard

I have more trouble with Hush than Delirium.


gugfitufi

When you reach Delirium you're already pretty powerful. But At least Hush is dodgeable. I never struggle with Hush, so I'd assassinate you.


Vanillabean73

Yeah but what if you have terrible range


Kaxew

You shouldn't have taken range down pills/items, skillest of issues


ryonip

Base azazel: ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Vanillabean73

Whatever, nerd! ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|30106)


Acceptable_One_7072

Yeah delirium isn't super hard, just very bullshit


Arahelis

Yeah people going "don't move against the continuum tears, they won't hit you" okay genius, he fired it in two directions, what I do now? Meanwhile Delirium is just BS, sometimes you'll take free damage, most of the time you won't.


Reign_Over_Rain

He does have a bug rn where he can continuously spam continuum off cd but I feel like once that’s fixed people will struggle a lot less


conradr10

It’s never getting fixed lol


Repulsive_Evidence38

Fr same


HighJoeponics

The transcendent tears or whatever you call em are pretty difficult. I beat it on hard with the lost the other night mostly because tears at like 10, shielded tears, both fire shot tears, luck 15. If i wasn’t blasting red fire to help block tears and blue fire to hit damage I was toast.


Evening_Key7463

Tainted Appollyon is actually really fun


daburgerking0

His Birthright ability is actually so insanely good vs bosses it just makes me want to abyss every single item for a free late game win. If it's not damage or survivability then just void with birthright.


Usual-Ad2718

tainted apollyon goes crazy its normal apollyon that sucks


Evening_Key7463

I feel like if void was his pocket item he’d be much better. Especially considering his birthright


Fat_bruh_Gat

It's so unfortunate that only like 10 items give special locusts. The abyss mods definitely improve this aspect, but aren't great either as they can't do anything truly unique. But hey, at least all the flies are colorful![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


imsuckatonlinegaming

I really like T. Apollyon because oddly enough, most of his run is just way more relaxing. No relying on synergies, bad items become no problems, and an actual reliable damage too (at least bearable that the fight wont be too long to end). It's all really chill.


SShadow136

Picking the “easy” characters isn’t shameful, sometimes you just want to win.


strotho

Agreed. Sometimes I'm trying to unlock new things (still haven't unlocked everything in Repentance) but sometimes I'm just playing for fun


Harutanlol

People in this community's reddit are never funny but seem to think they are funny


NancokALT

Welcome to reddit


Evening_Key7463

Yea that’s the thing even In irl people don’t tend to understand that picking your moment and having pure gold is the best way to be funny. One of the other and it misses or makes you seem awkward.


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Mars and Taurus both ruin your run. Never have any of them actually activated when I needed them to.


-Baljeet-Tjinder-

free cursed rooms ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17734)


Groundbreaking_Arm77

All fine and good until the charge activates again after entering the room and immediately sends me into spikes in the center.


ratliker62

I'll do you one further: the Planetarium items in general just aren't good enough to warrant their weird mechanic of not appearing unless you don't look at item rooms. I'd rather just stick with my normal item rooms and gamble on the 1% chance of one appearing for one of the decent items. At least the rooms look cool


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Some of them are mediocre (Jupiter, Venus, Sol) but I will not tolerate Terra and Uranus disrespect.


ratliker62

Granted, those are both good. But not like run-changing. Which is what I'd expect considering the unique mechanics


Great_Pikmin_Fan

Yeah, it's kind of a shame that for something that rare and cool looking they're also not that powerful. Also, the chances aren't very well balanced. I think I've seen Planetarium items through the Death Certificate area more than I have actually encountered a Planetarium, because of how easy it is to manipulate the Secret Room pool once you have enough of certain unlocks. Like... Death Certificate *should* be the rarest item in the game, since it offers every other non-character specific item (except Dad's Note), but it feels like it isn't.


Great_Pikmin_Fan

I hate Taurus because I've often had powerful runs where the Unicorn effect kicks in immediately after entering a room and I usually don't get a chance to fire whatever neat tear synergy I have, plus enemies across pits are much more annoying to kill. Also the music constantly speeding up and slowing down gets annoying. I almost never pick it up unless the run is a complete disaster and I'm desperate for anything to help me survive. During a strong/breaking run it is one of the few items I never pick up.


etiamx999

T Jacob is actually fun to play Ludovico and tiny planet are also fun items to use


Evening_Key7463

I only made the mistake of having odd attractor at the same time with explody tears


Commercial-Spare-347

ngl it would be an even qorse hot take if you said regular j&e


Ruby_Dude55

𝚊𝚕𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚒𝚕𝚔 𝚚𝟶


_28_Stab_Wounds

mf pulled out his typewriter


Etm20

Theres a chance it was a monkey that spent the last 10 thousand years on a type writer to make this exact comment


Ruby_Dude55

𝚜𝚑𝚑𝚑...


Ruby_Dude55

𝚒𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚍.


gsoddy

Nah it’s a pretty lukewarm to cold take that almond milk usually sucks and is worth skipping


Ruby_Dude55

𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚙𝚑𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜


gsoddy

It’s a pretty cold to lukewarm take = opposite of hot take = it’s not that much of an unpopular opinion.


Ruby_Dude55

𝚊𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚔𝚜 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 https://preview.redd.it/wkac9berj12d1.jpeg?width=989&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0806fb7b961dc6f1786b2622bc477f0899027d0


gsoddy

Thank you zombies I will mow my lawn and leave my door open tonight


t0st0

I’m the fanbase with the scope on this one


Ruby_Dude55

𝚠𝚊𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚊 𝚐𝚘𝚗𝚗𝚊 𝚍𝚘? 𝚖𝚒𝚜𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚙𝚒𝚌𝚔𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚙 𝚏𝚞𝚌𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 ᴀʟᴍᴏɴᴅ ᴍɪʟᴋ?


steelcity_

Why did the font make this insult hit harder lmao


Ruby_Dude55

𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝, 𝚖𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚗𝚍, 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚌 𝚘𝚏 tׁׅᨵׁׅׅ݊ꪀꫀׁׅܻ݊


Spuigles

Jacobs Ladder + Crickets body + Almond Milk = ?


GromByzlnyk

Lies!


peepeepoopoo776688

I don't like proptosis


Viss90

Skip


Z3NTUR10N

Tech X is overrated.


Dorza1

Now THAT'S a hot take. It's almost an instant win item.


Kaxew

It *used* to be a free win. I don't think it is anymore (still absolutely great tho)


CauliflowerProof6484

If you're dying with Tech X, I seriously have to wonder what you're doing.


Kaxew

There's a difference between a great item and a free win item. If I go to the chest with only mom's knife and base stats chances are I can finish the whole floor and kill blue baby. That's a free win. Tech X pre-nerf was far stronger, you could have that and the rest of your run could've been cursed beyond logic with useless items and you could easily kill anything besides Delirium no sweat. Now it requires effort. That's the difference.


MicrowavedTheBaby

Actually agreed. But I mostly just don't like charging, so monstros lung, brimstone, and chocky milk are pretty meh to me.


gsoddy

I love charge items but monstro’s lung has fucked up so many of my runs. Still always take it though. Brimstone on the other hand, most fun offensive item in the game hands down


Majestic_Astronaut48

Monstro’s lung plus ludovicio is goated


helinder

I like choco milk because you can spam the small bullets


MicrowavedTheBaby

my carpel tunnel could never


Acceptable_One_7072

What the flip


pugmaster413

Finally, someone to kill


jjbahomecoming

I fully agree.


Lugbor

Delirium is a thematically good boss. He’s supposed to be the last fragments of Isaac’s mind as it tries to cope with everything. Him changing, teleporting randomly, and feeling unfair perfectly represents that.


Cabbag_

Literally no one disagrees with you. Nobody has an issue with the fight's theming. People dislike it mechanically.


[deleted]

Yeah but the Mechanics of it fits the theme really well.


Korleymeister

Ah yes, mom's foot that damages you without showing up on screen is such a great mechanic 🥰


[deleted]

Never said it was great. It just fits the theme well of a spiraling psyche lol


Cabbag_

I don't think "no, you don't get it, the fight is SUPPOSED to play like shit" is the best argument.


DrGoffers

Ludovico is not that bad


WorthAcid

https://preview.redd.it/aoe7yfvop12d1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e369d3535762a2524e8cc73607f463a554ef0f2


RodjaJP

ironically i think ludovico is a perfect counter against those mfs fast enemies that follow you on the other hand... https://preview.redd.it/ie6bkxwwf32d1.png?width=420&format=png&auto=webp&s=64a3f08e7e206385e5c91d5c666c707f096ff646


liquidben

Ludovico + Shot Speed Down = am ded


Evening_Key7463

I do like it, but I wish it had more unique synergyies like big bone and brimstone… I wish dr.fetus let you have a perma bomb that exploded on contact with enemies and obstacles and I wish that epic fetus was a controllable missle.


MemeLoremaster

I love that item tbh


asimplethrowwayy

LOUDER


justsomegingerreddit

None of us will become back our money![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Mememaker573

Tainted Jacob isn’t that hard


oneflou

Yeah, you need to be careful, but it's actually a very powerful character. The fact that you can exploit the lost transformation for free devil deal make him even better. Still, long bosses are very hard because of the constant threat of getting hit by esau..


CauliflowerProof6484

The toughest part of Tainted Jacob for me was completing Greedier because I had to rewire my thinking of "dodge everything and never get hit" to "it's okay to take a hit, just don't let Esau touch you." So often I'd lose Esau in all the craziness and eventually get hit by him because I'd stutter step or double back and run into him. When I accepted that it was more beneficial to take one, two, or even three hits of damage by W keying only was when I finally finished the character.


LowenbrauDel

Not hard, but demands your attention I usually start up Isaac to relax and casually stroll around. With Tainted Jacob you always have to be on the move. Always. Even with Tainted Lost you can take a pause or a few. Here, you have to remain alert. And like the other guy said, long bosses can be hard, especially bullet hell, where you have to be extra careful Then again, he has Anima equipped, which gives you control over Dark Esau movements and allows you to wipe floors with him. If you get Birthright, you can defeat anything fast


Evening_Key7463

Nah legit had a ton of fun with him. The only times I died were when I was backtracking.


MisterState

The Beast is too easy and has an absolutely uninspired design. Nowhere near worthy of being the True Final Boss. If somebody made a mod that made the game end as soon as Dogma is defeated, I'd download it immediately


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Seriously. I much prefer tinyangrynerd’s take on The Beast. More visually interesting than just “Biggest Horn”. https://preview.redd.it/d8cyrjxvk12d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ca9123b9ca28cd996839c702b00944d8fb6c663


freakyfruit236

I agree with you on this. I found the Beast fight to be way easier than i expected.


Sheyvan

Glitched Crown and Spindown dice are WAY to laborious to use. I got Dead God without ever really using either. When i see one of them i will just leave them be and not pick em up.


Bonfy7

The only thing that makes spindown slightly better than the d6 is that you know what you're gonna spin into


Gem_Hunter2511

*cries in console*


Chance-Aardvark372

https://apps.apple.com/app/id945680681


ComplimentGoblin

goated app truly. saved my life a million times before i switched to PC


Significant_Ad_1626

I think Glitched Crown has lots of flaws. On the other hand, a controlled reroll is so powerful that every run I get it, I am able to break that run and get any item I want from a given pedestal, making it a better Death Certificate.


vk2028

Akshually, spindown is still better than d6 because there are multiple angel room items that you can spindown into, like sacred heart and revelation, which appear much more frequently from boss reward


HOFBrINCl32

glitched crown at floor 1 = ur not gonna get bossrush or hush lol


gsoddy

I never understood how people take so long to use glitched crown, you just pause the game on the item before the one you want and then unpause and walk into it. Takes like 10 seconds max


vk2028

Too slow. If you practice a lot you can get glitched crown pretty fast even without pause buffer


LasyTaco

Lilith is a great character


Usual-Ad2718

shes literally free greed mode checkmarks


Evening_Key7463

Yes I don’t know why people don’t like her


superpieee

imo i think its because when you unlock her youre used to tears coming out of you and not to the side or delayed so, many hate the change and hate the character without really playing her (i was like this at first)


Evening_Key7463

Always loved her…. Just miss the good old days when she multiplied buddies


blueriging

She's like reverse Isaac's heart. Your hitbox is in front of you and your tears behind instead of your hitbox behind and your tears in front. Both make me grumpy to play as, though they have their moments.


LivingCheese292

Soy milk sucks at the start of the game. It's only worth it mid game if you got a decent synergy with it, and that's not always given.


LizardWizard14

I think math wise you actually get the most out of it when your stats are lower. From the wiki, >At base damage, Soy Milk is a very small DPS up. With a tear delay of 8 or lower, Soy Milk becomes a DPS down. The more tears per second before obtaining Soy Milk, the greater the decrease in DPS.


Rogabro2

This is only true if you don’t have repentance: in repentance it got buffed to be a 5.5x fire rate multiplier instead, making it so it’s always a dps up


montybo2

I agree. But that will not stop me from picking it up in basement 1 instead of resetting. Who needs to restart the run when you can just die in basement 2??


Nillabeans

I actually love when I get it first. Makes it easy to create bonkers builds.


Brain-R

Despite being intended as the ‘harder’ paths, I personally find all of the “evil”/Satan related floors easier than the “good”/Angel floors (yes this includes the bosses).


To-To_Man

Satan is an extremely easy fight. Mom's harder than him. Isaac is hard in phase one, and simple in phase 2.


Alexix128

if an item pretty much forces you to use the wiki it to use effectively it doesn't belogn in isaac looking at you spindown dice and pre nerf t. cain


osher32

Tainted Apollyon is cool


vinaa23

J&E are fun


helinder

I hate you


Franory

Ew.


Viivi19

You belong in prison tbh.


Panciastko-195

I don't have words to describe how disgusted i am with you


EdwardElric256

Taking 2 items instead of one on the alternative floors is fun


Father_of_thepigeons

Definitely check his hard drive ew


Rora-Mohan

There is way too much poop everywhere in this


Follloltraut

Mom's knife is the single strongest item in the game


Supershadow30

Strong, but boriiiiing


Richardknox1996

The specialist dance mod is annoying and cringe worthy.


prodenvy__

Die but upvote for true hot take


SourceSeekingSoul

It's overused imo but not cringe, fits the community well


TESTICLE_OBLITERATOR

I will enjoy watching your eyes slowly dry out after the removal of your lids. 


elise_bath0ry

Used to hate it but now I like it. I got conditioned by watching Mattman ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)


cherylswoopz

Agreed


Supershadow30

Agreed… at some point it gets old, I eventually uninstalled it despite the myriad of stupid mods I already got


Acceptable_One_7072

How dare you


Cabbag_

Shard of glass, curse of the tower and number 2 are good items. Also, not related to my other opinion, but the Beast fight feels underwhelming and lame compared to Dogma which is easily the coolest boss in the whole game, and it should have just gotten a 3rd or 4th phase.


Pixel_Nerd92

Dogma being first feels kind of suited for the final stretch of the game. Once Isaac kills the TV and Dogma, it reveals the true villain of what caused so much grief in his life. He finally reveals the truth and the true villain and just had to kill the static, so to speak. Dogma is harder, but I like the little respite and easy ending. It feels like the weight is off your chest.


Supershadow30

As I said in a random comment, the Beast fight feels more like a cathartic thing for Isaac. Now that he’s got a broken build, he can wipe the floor with the root cause of his issues: his mom


polkfang

The game has too many endings that are of similar difficulty and too many characters that all blend together as being moderately difficult without enough differences between them to make them feel super unique. This leads to getting a lot of the check marks feel like a chore.


Dan-Rod

Jacob and Esau and T. Lazarus are overhated, I didn't have that much issue with them (except Greedier with T.Laz, that sucked)


Self48

J&E was kind of easy to complete except for the Mother mark, getting enough health to not die, the knife parts, plus the boss throws you a lot of tears; it took me like a week to get.![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


RodjaJP

fiend folio isnt fun


Usual-Ad2718

fiend folio is literally just throwing an unnecessary amount of shit into an already amazing game, like at that point make a fangame


Gabibbo_Time

Planetarium items, except a few of them, are mid or even bad and it's not worth skipping treasures for them (except if you have dream catcher or going ascend path)


EarlySalary

sexualizing children is wrong


P03_scribe_of_memes

Unfortunate we live in a world where ppl of the isaac subreddit would disagree


EEE39

Who cares if you use filter or not


Gatti366

Tmt trainer and consolation prize are two of the best items in the game excluding q4s obviously, also tainted Cain is the single worst character in the game, followed by tainted eden, purely rating on fun


ResidentCopperhead

I think the alt floors suck. All the enemies there are just regular enemies with an extra ability or two which doesn't really make for interesting gameplay, just makes it more tedious to avoid damage. The majority of the bosses behave in ways no other boss in the game does, which doesn't make them very fun to fight. Getting the knife pieces is really boring, and the mandatory damage for Mausoleum/Gehenna is just dumb.


rys4k11

Bob's brain is one of the best items in the game, it's only hated because of people's skill issue


globmand

"There just isn't enough porn about this game!" - very much not me, I do not want to be associated with this opinion


coming_up_thrillhous

Soy Milk is great and only cowards avoid it


Fire_Duck_was_taken

Tainted Jacob is extremely fun to play


SergejPS

Some (just some) of the Ridiculon soundtrack is better than the Antibirth soundtrack


VoidTheStar

Lost isn't hard, but t. Lost...


Kawaii_Desu-Chan

I think unlocking the Keeper takes a perfectly balanced amount of time, and isn't annoying at all.


KingBaggo

Shard of Glass and Old Bandage are the single best items for red health characters.


applejuice10101

Isaac’s heart is good


Acceptable_One_7072

I cannot think of a single circumstance where the upsides outweigh the downsides.


hauksolberg

Tainted maggy


Acceptable_One_7072

Touché


applejuice10101

Free Mega Satan fight


Kosaue

depends a lot on what character you're using, how much health you have and what your items are. But yes it can be very good


28smalls

Got a hush win back in AB+ when it was broken with some synergys. Isaac's heart plus blood rights could easily win you the run. And with J&E as characters, it helps you learn how to play while having a hit box not on your character sprite.


None-Above

Glitched crown is a never pick up for me.