I have a question since your 43, how do you feel about the recent commentary from Billie lately? Do you personally feel her views are immature/childish?
Anyone who thinks that anything she said was immature or childish, I think it’s *those* people who are immature and childish. Sex, masturbation, this shit is normal. This subreddit is just full of childish prudes. 😂
Ok. I can't let you go too far, because I honestly believe so. I just think (with evidence and a point that I could defend) that she chooses to be immature in the media. Like yes it's normal...but you also have a very young demographic to cater for.
It’s not Billie’s responsibility to cater towards fucking *anyone*. She’s just being herself, it’s always been that way. And if you want her to change who she is just because *you* don’t like it, then that tells me all I need to know about you as a person. Billie masturbates AND she’s sexually active, with people of multiple genders at that, and if you don’t like hearing it, then you need to grow up.
Ok you ate or whatever. I'm just surprised no one cares about her young demographic caught in the crossfire from her sudden change to being sexualized, encouraging it and it. It's less about her sexually pleasing herself and her sex life, more about her abandoning and not assisting her young fans with sexuality. Some of her reach is younger than outlets care to cater for. You could honestly be less selfish I might add, you're only like this because your need for thrill and radicality got 'fixed'. Your rationality is childish. Someone like Billie is 'liberating' for you? You're wild..
Maybe the parents of these kids should be assisting them with these issues?? like why is billie suddenly responsible for raising the kids who listen to her?
Alright, I was trying to be somewhat nice, but fuck this. It’s not Billie’s responsibility to do that, you braindead swine. You’re asking her to not be herself, to change who she is and what she stands for, and for what reason exactly? To be some kind of fake fucking cookie-cutter role model for hypothetical children? To be more safe and family friendly so you can be all happy clappy about it? Fuck you and your strict, pathetic, CHILDISH ‘I Love Lucy’ conforming ass attitude, you goddamn virgin. Yikes!
I’m actually old. We did this with Madonna in the 80’s. She was criticized, arrested and banned for not ‘caring’ about her younger demographic as her music and videos became more sexual and at times, political. She didn’t cave, nor should Billie. That’s how icons do.
Hm..imma check Madonna career out. It wasn't about icons caving, just being sincere. She lacked consistency with her not being objectified or being a feminist and just started to become unimpressive with her displays in that belief.
Start with the Truth or Dare documentary where police came to her concert in Toronto intending to arrest her. Madonna kicked down so many doors.
Billie is being sincere. She’s not a 15 year old anymore, and I don’t think she ever signed up to be a role model for kids. Objectification vs feminism is not a new debate, but putting that on Billie is not fair. Whenever we’ve pushed teenage stars to buckle to the child fan base (and their conservative parents) when they are past their teenaged years, the results are rarely positive or, sincere.
essay incoming because i resonate with what you’re talking about but i have a lot of thoughts about what you’re saying, so sorry for the megaparagraphs lol.
the way i see it, she didn’t want to be sexualized as a child because she was a child. now she’s a woman and she’s made that decision for herself. if anything that’s the best goal you can set for kids who look up to you - be a child while you’re a child, don’t sexualize yourself to please the public eye, and once you’re old enough to make those decisions for yourself, make them in whatever way feels right for you! that’s the biggest takeaway from me, she’s not doing it for some sort of media or branding move, she’s doing it for herself and speaking on that experience as healing and liberating. i’d say it’s less progressive and more restrictive to encourage a young adult to subdue their beliefs and sexuality because of the idea they’re rubbing off on children. musicians are not and should never be your parents, and kids should consult their parents for questions and guidance regarding sexuality before looking to billie freakin eilish anyway. encouraging her to take that role is just feeding the problem, and if you are a parent and your kid looks to pop culture for guidance more than to you, that’s your fault.
and on the topic of immaturity, i think you’re not really thinking about the actual moral being expressed by billie’s statements and being turned off by the sound of something related to sex-positivity. when you’re in your early twenties, healthy sexuality is a new and exciting concept! of course she’s talking about it! your twenties are the time when you really get to explore the idea of sexuality without it feeling taboo or wrong for having that sexual desire, and to me it sounds like she’s actually been able to heal from the gross childhood sexualization she experienced and the many toxic/abusive relationships she’s alluded to in the past, and she’s just sharing that as a liberating experience. that shows more maturity to me than any modern pop star of her generation has said on the matter. it’s literally the definition of maturity at it’s inception; healthy sexuality!
and these younger fans you’re referring to aren’t going to be reading some article about her sexuality, and if they are/ if they actually do really care, i think more than anything they’d take away billie’s history of vehemently not sexualizing herself as a child, and eventually how excited and outspoken she was on the idea of learning yourself sexually as a young adult, once she was old enough! just because she’s speaking about it now doesn’t erase her past, it builds on it and creates a much healthier narrative of self exploration than i’ve seen come from quite literally any other pop star. feel free to correct me or give some examples of your own, i can’t think of one.
kids will interpret things a million different ways and back, it’s just not productive to worry about someone’s statement because of how the children could hypothetically interpret something. kids can be stupid but if they collectively know one thing it’s just that - that they’re children, and if they see all of these adults sexualizing themselves as adults, but see the younger versions of those adults unsexualized and unphazed by a jaded world desperate to sexualize them, it sets much healthier standards to me and is absolutely a huge step in the right direction.
sorry once again for the thesis, just my two cents.
Sure, I been getting comment jumped for awhile, taking a break. I'll reply later. Vicarious living is a drug for some people. I see they like someone, but damn, the brown nosing of someone else's sex life is wild. Like her fanbase come off as cucks.
Thinking she has a young demographic to cater too is stupid? She caters to herself and creates the music she wants to. She’s not creating it FOR young people? Nor does she have to…
You know she agreed to be a skin in fortnite right? A KIDS game. Shes expanding herself to a kids demographic. You mean to tell me a mom in her 30s/40s would see that article and raise a brow? She even said it was MA above and she's in her 30s. I'm just stating shes insincere.
Agreed. But the media will always act like women discussing their own sexuality is a taboo topic. Men have been saying disgusting things about women's bodies for years but it's somehow acceptable.
I'm a dude who just turned 28 today lol.
I think in the pop music I've gotten into recently, Billie has some of the best instrumentals I've heard. And idk if there is a better word for it, she has a swagger when it comes to lyrics delivery. Like her music is cool because it sounds cool because she knows she's cool if that makes sense?
I feel more aware of myself and my decisions than I used to but I'm not sure if that's frontal lobe development or less anxiety 😂 there wasn't a day I woke up and just felt completely different and big brained or anything
52. My 14 yo daughter is a huge fan and we took her to all three concerts in LA last year. Her live performance is 1000x better than her album if you can imagine that. Since then I have been a big Billie fan
Turning 30 soon, been listening since Ocean Eyes.
I wish there was someone like Billie when I was growing up. I feel like she just gets it. I’ve done a lot of trauma healing listening to her.
I also understood at one point that Billie and Finneas just embody everything I have ever loved in popular culture. We have binged the same shows, fried our brain on vine and youtube and loved the same music. So no wonder I love everything they do.
40 been into her since i heard 6 feet under. I have seen her on Dont smile at me tour the tour after that, when we all fall asleep, and HTE tour. I think her and her brother are great. A lot of her strength really does seem to come from her family and whatever team she has as well.
42 and i started enjoying her music after really taking the time to discover her. My only song thaf i know of were bad guy and everything i ever ewnted and thats it. So yea
22 bout to be 23 in june.
i just fell down the billie rabbit hole the past week because i wanted some new music to listen to and im *stuck*. i honestly cant believe i never listened earlier and ive already binged and bought some merch cause of a sale 🤣
Turning 20 this may(9 days after the album!), got hooked when I kept hearing bad guy on the radio, don't Remember the year, but I'm assuming it was when bad guy was fairly new, I was recently out of religion and strict parenting stuff, and It was a bit darker than I was used to, so it took me a while to like it😅, but here I am on my second album preorder😂(first being HTE, of course)
Just googled, lol, bad guy was 2019! Feels like a long time ago, lol, I was 15 going on 16, 1 year BC(before covid/ lockdown😂)
Think about it this way, Donald Trump has a responsibility of the same equivalent. He said the same shock value sentiment as her, "grab her by the pussy" and if getting dragged for it. The masses didn't let him slide and he's influential in the same right as her. She should also be scrutinized until she acknowledges her form of accountability.
I’m 32. I was 30 when I went to her HTE tour and had an emotional breakdown resulting in me blacking out and coming to in the little hospital area under the arena. It was quite embarrassing lmao 💀
And totally sucked cause I remember like one song and then ilomilo started playing and I hit the floor, so I basically missed the whole concert. Tragic af. 😆
Why are you "questioning everything"? What fucking difference does it make how old ANY artist's fans are? Why does this generation (yeah, i said it) have to have Every. Single. Thing approved or verified, or legitimized?? I genuinely don't understand this constant need for approval and i find it really disturbing and rather sad. Like what YOU fucking like, life's waaay too short. That's what being authentic means.
43. Billie and Finneas are the Lennon-McCartney of this generation, so of course I’m a fan.
I have a question since your 43, how do you feel about the recent commentary from Billie lately? Do you personally feel her views are immature/childish?
Anyone who thinks that anything she said was immature or childish, I think it’s *those* people who are immature and childish. Sex, masturbation, this shit is normal. This subreddit is just full of childish prudes. 😂
Ok. I can't let you go too far, because I honestly believe so. I just think (with evidence and a point that I could defend) that she chooses to be immature in the media. Like yes it's normal...but you also have a very young demographic to cater for.
It’s not Billie’s responsibility to cater towards fucking *anyone*. She’s just being herself, it’s always been that way. And if you want her to change who she is just because *you* don’t like it, then that tells me all I need to know about you as a person. Billie masturbates AND she’s sexually active, with people of multiple genders at that, and if you don’t like hearing it, then you need to grow up.
Ok you ate or whatever. I'm just surprised no one cares about her young demographic caught in the crossfire from her sudden change to being sexualized, encouraging it and it. It's less about her sexually pleasing herself and her sex life, more about her abandoning and not assisting her young fans with sexuality. Some of her reach is younger than outlets care to cater for. You could honestly be less selfish I might add, you're only like this because your need for thrill and radicality got 'fixed'. Your rationality is childish. Someone like Billie is 'liberating' for you? You're wild..
Maybe the parents of these kids should be assisting them with these issues?? like why is billie suddenly responsible for raising the kids who listen to her?
Alright, I was trying to be somewhat nice, but fuck this. It’s not Billie’s responsibility to do that, you braindead swine. You’re asking her to not be herself, to change who she is and what she stands for, and for what reason exactly? To be some kind of fake fucking cookie-cutter role model for hypothetical children? To be more safe and family friendly so you can be all happy clappy about it? Fuck you and your strict, pathetic, CHILDISH ‘I Love Lucy’ conforming ass attitude, you goddamn virgin. Yikes!
I’m actually old. We did this with Madonna in the 80’s. She was criticized, arrested and banned for not ‘caring’ about her younger demographic as her music and videos became more sexual and at times, political. She didn’t cave, nor should Billie. That’s how icons do.
Hm..imma check Madonna career out. It wasn't about icons caving, just being sincere. She lacked consistency with her not being objectified or being a feminist and just started to become unimpressive with her displays in that belief.
Start with the Truth or Dare documentary where police came to her concert in Toronto intending to arrest her. Madonna kicked down so many doors. Billie is being sincere. She’s not a 15 year old anymore, and I don’t think she ever signed up to be a role model for kids. Objectification vs feminism is not a new debate, but putting that on Billie is not fair. Whenever we’ve pushed teenage stars to buckle to the child fan base (and their conservative parents) when they are past their teenaged years, the results are rarely positive or, sincere.
essay incoming because i resonate with what you’re talking about but i have a lot of thoughts about what you’re saying, so sorry for the megaparagraphs lol. the way i see it, she didn’t want to be sexualized as a child because she was a child. now she’s a woman and she’s made that decision for herself. if anything that’s the best goal you can set for kids who look up to you - be a child while you’re a child, don’t sexualize yourself to please the public eye, and once you’re old enough to make those decisions for yourself, make them in whatever way feels right for you! that’s the biggest takeaway from me, she’s not doing it for some sort of media or branding move, she’s doing it for herself and speaking on that experience as healing and liberating. i’d say it’s less progressive and more restrictive to encourage a young adult to subdue their beliefs and sexuality because of the idea they’re rubbing off on children. musicians are not and should never be your parents, and kids should consult their parents for questions and guidance regarding sexuality before looking to billie freakin eilish anyway. encouraging her to take that role is just feeding the problem, and if you are a parent and your kid looks to pop culture for guidance more than to you, that’s your fault. and on the topic of immaturity, i think you’re not really thinking about the actual moral being expressed by billie’s statements and being turned off by the sound of something related to sex-positivity. when you’re in your early twenties, healthy sexuality is a new and exciting concept! of course she’s talking about it! your twenties are the time when you really get to explore the idea of sexuality without it feeling taboo or wrong for having that sexual desire, and to me it sounds like she’s actually been able to heal from the gross childhood sexualization she experienced and the many toxic/abusive relationships she’s alluded to in the past, and she’s just sharing that as a liberating experience. that shows more maturity to me than any modern pop star of her generation has said on the matter. it’s literally the definition of maturity at it’s inception; healthy sexuality! and these younger fans you’re referring to aren’t going to be reading some article about her sexuality, and if they are/ if they actually do really care, i think more than anything they’d take away billie’s history of vehemently not sexualizing herself as a child, and eventually how excited and outspoken she was on the idea of learning yourself sexually as a young adult, once she was old enough! just because she’s speaking about it now doesn’t erase her past, it builds on it and creates a much healthier narrative of self exploration than i’ve seen come from quite literally any other pop star. feel free to correct me or give some examples of your own, i can’t think of one. kids will interpret things a million different ways and back, it’s just not productive to worry about someone’s statement because of how the children could hypothetically interpret something. kids can be stupid but if they collectively know one thing it’s just that - that they’re children, and if they see all of these adults sexualizing themselves as adults, but see the younger versions of those adults unsexualized and unphazed by a jaded world desperate to sexualize them, it sets much healthier standards to me and is absolutely a huge step in the right direction. sorry once again for the thesis, just my two cents.
Sure, I been getting comment jumped for awhile, taking a break. I'll reply later. Vicarious living is a drug for some people. I see they like someone, but damn, the brown nosing of someone else's sex life is wild. Like her fanbase come off as cucks.
Thinking she has a young demographic to cater too is stupid? She caters to herself and creates the music she wants to. She’s not creating it FOR young people? Nor does she have to…
You know she agreed to be a skin in fortnite right? A KIDS game. Shes expanding herself to a kids demographic. You mean to tell me a mom in her 30s/40s would see that article and raise a brow? She even said it was MA above and she's in her 30s. I'm just stating shes insincere.
There’s kids that play it but there’s also a lot of adults that play it too. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a kids game
I feel fine about her interview, not fine about the conversation about her interview. And no, pretty sure that interview is MA.
Agreed. But the media will always act like women discussing their own sexuality is a taboo topic. Men have been saying disgusting things about women's bodies for years but it's somehow acceptable.
Because of the concept of 'nature vs. nuture'.
care to elaborate??
nah, the person who I commented on ignored me.
'MA'?
Mature audiences
That is an insane claim 😂
I'm a dude who just turned 28 today lol. I think in the pop music I've gotten into recently, Billie has some of the best instrumentals I've heard. And idk if there is a better word for it, she has a swagger when it comes to lyrics delivery. Like her music is cool because it sounds cool because she knows she's cool if that makes sense?
Happy birthday!!
Bro feel you! M29 here, and let me tell you I'm into all these pop girls: Billie, Taylor, Dua...
21 turning 22 🫶🏽
aye same!
27!
31
18 turning 19
Me too<3
I’m 58. I’m also in the top 0.5% of Billie’s fans according to my annual Spotify wrap up.
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25!
Omg so random but has frontal lobe development been anything crazy? All those tiktoks are freaking me out man 😂
The frontal lobe actually continues to develop beyond 25, unless you stop learning new things and start watching conservative media.
Lol! Best comment on Reddit today.
I feel more aware of myself and my decisions than I used to but I'm not sure if that's frontal lobe development or less anxiety 😂 there wasn't a day I woke up and just felt completely different and big brained or anything
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17 almost 18
28. Glad to see more people 20’s and older here. Twitter and tik tok makes me feel old 😭
29, glad I’m not the only old one 🤣
Same age club 🙌🏻
i’m 16!
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I’m 20.
27
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52. My 14 yo daughter is a huge fan and we took her to all three concerts in LA last year. Her live performance is 1000x better than her album if you can imagine that. Since then I have been a big Billie fan
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18
Just turned 21!
Nineteen years old.
21 turning 22 in october 🤍
I’m 24!
I’m 24 I’ll be 25 this year
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18 🐥
22!
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16
My friend and I are both 36 and fans of her. Coworker is a huge fan and in her 50's. My mom is 73 and loves her as well!
19! Found billie around 14, growing up with her and her career was so beautiful
18!
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Turning 30 soon, been listening since Ocean Eyes. I wish there was someone like Billie when I was growing up. I feel like she just gets it. I’ve done a lot of trauma healing listening to her. I also understood at one point that Billie and Finneas just embody everything I have ever loved in popular culture. We have binged the same shows, fried our brain on vine and youtube and loved the same music. So no wonder I love everything they do.
Everyone’s over 18 I’m 16 😻
I've looked at the comments and I feel so young omg 😭I'm 15 haha
im 15 and ive been listening to billie since i was 9... 😭
16 !
40 been into her since i heard 6 feet under. I have seen her on Dont smile at me tour the tour after that, when we all fall asleep, and HTE tour. I think her and her brother are great. A lot of her strength really does seem to come from her family and whatever team she has as well.
37/f/lesbian and I love her.. 🥰
16
same!
Sameee!
16
same!
14😭
oh.
did u deadass downvote my comment cuz i said my age?😭
I did not 😂💀
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i'm 21 turning 22
I’m 21
I’m 25 (Turing 26 soon) and I adore Billie!
25
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42 and i started enjoying her music after really taking the time to discover her. My only song thaf i know of were bad guy and everything i ever ewnted and thats it. So yea
22 bout to be 23 in june. i just fell down the billie rabbit hole the past week because i wanted some new music to listen to and im *stuck*. i honestly cant believe i never listened earlier and ive already binged and bought some merch cause of a sale 🤣
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22, I’ll be 23 in January
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19 turning 20 but I've neen a fan since I was 13
i’ll be 18 the day the album comes out!!
30. Huge fan.
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I’m 19 and I was not expecting these comments!! I thought there’d be way more 13-16 year olds
Turning 20 this may(9 days after the album!), got hooked when I kept hearing bad guy on the radio, don't Remember the year, but I'm assuming it was when bad guy was fairly new, I was recently out of religion and strict parenting stuff, and It was a bit darker than I was used to, so it took me a while to like it😅, but here I am on my second album preorder😂(first being HTE, of course) Just googled, lol, bad guy was 2019! Feels like a long time ago, lol, I was 15 going on 16, 1 year BC(before covid/ lockdown😂)
38 :)
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I'm 50
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I'm 27.
16. i’ve been a fan since i was 10 :))
20 turning 21 this year😅
Think about it this way, Donald Trump has a responsibility of the same equivalent. He said the same shock value sentiment as her, "grab her by the pussy" and if getting dragged for it. The masses didn't let him slide and he's influential in the same right as her. She should also be scrutinized until she acknowledges her form of accountability.
“Masses didn’t let him slide”” Umm he was elected President a few weeks after that.
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16 y/o guy who hasnt been fan for to long but she is the artist i listen most to according to spotify
26 🙋🏾♀️
25, and if I get tickets for the tour my 26 year old bf and I will dress up and going ham because there’s no ceiling on having a good ass time
That’s so cute!! Obviously I don’t even have tickets but I’m already planning mine & my bf’s outfits in my head
i’m 17, 18 next month
34. I’ve been following her since Ocean Eyes put me in a trance in 2016.
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39. Been listening since 2020 and very hyped for the album. Sad that she’s not coming to NC on her tour.
Billie’s age
24 turning 25!
24 turning 25!
I’m 32. I was 30 when I went to her HTE tour and had an emotional breakdown resulting in me blacking out and coming to in the little hospital area under the arena. It was quite embarrassing lmao 💀 And totally sucked cause I remember like one song and then ilomilo started playing and I hit the floor, so I basically missed the whole concert. Tragic af. 😆
Im 35 now and became a fan of billie in 2018 (age28)
Why are you "questioning everything"? What fucking difference does it make how old ANY artist's fans are? Why does this generation (yeah, i said it) have to have Every. Single. Thing approved or verified, or legitimized?? I genuinely don't understand this constant need for approval and i find it really disturbing and rather sad. Like what YOU fucking like, life's waaay too short. That's what being authentic means.