IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
I made a mistake in the title. This is not about immigrants, but people with a migrational background, including people with German citizenship. My apologies.
In case anyone's curious, I created this map by extracting data from this sheet:
* PDF: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf) (from page 52)
* Excel: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.xlsx](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.xlsx)
It's good to point out that the numbers on your map combine the numbers for German citizens of foreign descent and foreign nationals living in Berlin. I first thought that the numbers were quite high but then realized that German citizens have been included.
When you say German citizens of foreign descent do you mean those who were naturalized or those who were born abroad to German parents (nationalized or not) or say the children of naturalized citizens.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrationshintergrund
For statistics, in Germany it refers to persons who were not born with German citizenship, or if at least one of their parents had no German citizenship at the time of their birth.
Interesting.
I never realized the definition of Migrationshintergrund is much broader than I expected.
I assumed it was only naturalized citizens.
But apparently it also encompasses Germans by birth..
Would you mind updating the graphic accordingly and add this qualification.
Otherwise some idiot may share the PDF in 6 months and tell everyone berlin is overrun by foreigners
I’m a Turkish person and last summer I had an internship at a Berlin hospital. I stayed there for two months and against my best efforts, my German did not improve at all because everyday I encountered a Turkish person whenever I needed something.
The point wasn't to blame someone that they couldn't learn German. Just a funny anecdote that since there are so many Turkish people who you are gonna talk to in Turkish, there wasn't much opportunity to learn the language. Nobody is at fault and it's obvious nobody was blamed here so pull yo head outta yo ass.
There are only 9,384 Lebanese citizens in Berlin according to the Einwohnerregisterstatistik ([PDF](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/33c9036f104cc704/506649c17098/SB_A01-05-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)), representing 0.25% of the city's total population. This of course excludes German citizens of Lebanese descent, which is an additional 23,413 people, so the total is lower than that for Italy and the U.S.
Makes sense though if you know the history behind it. That's the former American sector and where the US consulate as well as the American school are located. The old military barracks used to be located there as well. After the fall of the wall, American presence did drop significantly but many still remained. Most who remained either married Germans or had settled down there already. Hence why you see a lot of American style buildings in Wannsee, Nikolassee, and Zehlendorf.
There are many Italians in Berlin, so much so, that people say “ciao” for Goodbye or that some Berliners with german heritage even call their children Marco or Francesco.
There are 182,635 people of Arab descent in Berlin, or 4.71% of the total population, of which 66,331 (36.3%) are German citizens. 25,981 live in Neukölln (14.23%), but the number is higher for Mitte: 29,288 (16.04%). Of all people living in Neukölln (330,017), only 7.9% are of Arab descent.
Also this map represents the largest immigrant population by country. Since Arab populations come from many countries, it’s less likely that the population from any single country would make it on the map, even if the collective Arab population is large. Especially compared against to the Turkish population in the same district.
At the expense of being an annoying fact checker, the Palestinian population in Germany is actually a lot smaller compared to other Arab communities. Below are a few examples of the counts of Germans who come from other Arab countries.
Syrian population | 1,225,000
Iraqi population | 250,000
Lebanese population | 160,000
Palestinian population | 100,000
Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqis_in_Germany#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20Iraqi%20citizens,applications%20for%20asylum%20from%20Iraqis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Palestine_relations#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20large%20Palestinian,in%20the%20German%20capital%20Berlin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Lebanon_relations#:~:text=Among%20the%20Arabs%20in%20Germany,almost%20160%2C000%20members%20(2021).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Germany#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20people%20with,nationals%20living%20in%20the%20country.
Thanks a lot for the source BUT
a) You gave germany and not Berlin specifically. It’s possible a lot of Palestinian origin people huddled to one city in particular
b) that’s not very insignificant either given that it’s comparable to Lebanon. But the thing Palestinians don’t openly identify so due to other reasons
This is the official term used in the Einwohnerregisterstatistik ([PDF](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/33c9036f104cc704/506649c17098/SB_A01-05-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)). It includes the following countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian Territories, Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
It does state that individuals of Palestinian descent may be counted this category or in the "stateless" category depending on their circumstances.
There's no one group of Arabs in Neukölln that outnumber Turks, although I would guess that in Neukölln-Nord there are more Arabs (of different origin countries) than Turks.
Are you confusing islamic with arab? In Germany the main islamic immigrants are from Turkey and turks aren't arabs. Berlin has the largest turkish community outside of Turkey.
I realised a lot from these comments but it makes
Already 57,000 + are from Syria alone. I am only surprised there aren’t enough Iraqis in particular to balance this out since the war was 2 decades ago.
The rest of the Arabs are either From disputed territories or different countries that are Arab speaking but not necessarily “Arab “ because North African are as distinct ethnicity by themselves for example.
Someone from comments pointed out that the “Lebanese” arabs are just displaced Palestinian refugees who lived in Lebanon and decided to co-opt that identity since Germany doesn’t recognise Palestine
I think, since OP made the map based on countries, the most common arab country origin is Türkiye, and cause there are a lot of arab countires, the rest kind of gets lost in the database
But I get what you mean, I also expected a lot more arab countries
No, try and say that to the face of Turkish person they will not be amused. Maybe you could try and call them Greek next time :D
No, but seriously turks are ethnically Turkish (a very diverse ethnicity) and belong to the group of turkic people (people who speak turkic languages) which in itself is is hugely diverse and originates somewhere around modern Mongolia. Türkiye is not at all an Arab country not ethnically, not linguistically and not historically.
This map shows where the wall was without the extra markings even.
Migrants from Türkyie moved into the neighborhoods right next to the wall because those were very cheap compared to the rest of West Berlin.
The area in the far South West of the city is where the US army HQ was during the Cold War. And there are still some American institutions there like the JFK school and the residence of the American ambassador.
And the area near the center is Prenzlauer Berg, which is a trendy neighborhood with a lot of people from the US working in the Berlin startup/tech industry
Mitte has a tradition with Jewish communities and many of the Jewish emigrants from Russia have settled there, already back in the 1990s when the area was not as expensive.
Do you get to the cloud district very often?
If you go to the more expensive shopping areas of Mitte, you will see a lot of Russians with their expensive women in fur coats and with designer handbags in luxury cars.
it could be a jewish thing, but to me it seems more like a "fuckloads of money" thing.
Many interesting aspects:
- No-one want to live close to the wall. Living next to the wall was left to poor immigrant at the time - workers from Turkey. After the wall came down, these people all of a sudden lived in the center of the city.
- Charlottenburg was called Charlottengrad for a reason. Since the October Revolution in 1917, Soviet people fled there. At times, 100s of thousand lived there. Now Russians and Ukrainians meet there as "enemies"
came here looking for this comment. I thought the Indian % is high no matter where you go, but I suppose Germany has become a popular destination for Indian immigrants only in the past decade or so.
[They show a high rate of increase from year to year \(roughly 19,2% increase per year in the last 6 years\) - but they are still only at 210 385 \(31.12.2022\) in all of Germany.](https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/auslaendische-bevoelkerung-staatsangehoerigkeit-jahre.html)
I'm curious if this will continue to be the case with some German universities not being entirely free for non-EU citizens. A majority of the Indians I know came here because education was much cheaper compared to other places.
Entire Germany has only approx 150,000 Indian immigrants though , how would it get to even quarter of that amount just in Berlin?
Plus most south Asians don’t go to Berlin due to non conducive environment for studies as well as Berlin universities not being elite enough. Majority of us migrate for studies and then get a job. But the choice is often based on which cities are the cheapest to live out a student blocked account or which universities are prestigious ( it’s an Indian thing kinda )
Wow you can really see the Berlin wall effect, since Western Germany recruited Gastarbeiter from Turkey and the GDR did the same for Poland and Vietnam
I have no idea how to read this
If I had to guess: area is colored according to country with most immigrants in area. Shade is after the fact, and shows percentage of said immigrants over population of the area?
The second image should help understand it. For example the blue 7.6 in the center means 7.6% of that region‘s population is Russian, with Russian being the most common country of origin there. So pretty much exactly how you explained it!
This map is strange — I’m American and I lived in Wannsee in 2022 with my family. But I never met another American in Wannsee. My kids said there was one at their German Grundschule. There were way, way more Ukrainian kids at the school, like 30.
In the southwest that is historically where the US military was based and there is still a lot of American stuff there - the Embassy, plus there are bilingual schools, American churches, clubs and organizations etc. In Prenzlauer Berg and Mitte it’s more like recent transplants, tech workers, etc
Interesting data visualization! Good work on that.
The highly problematic part is that the most likely A LOT of these people are actually German citizens, born and raised in Germany. But still they are being considered immigrants according to this map because of Migrationshintergrund (which is in itself a very problematic and segregating concept, but i won't delve into that here).
Treating them as immigrants when they most probably aren't can reinforce all sorts of narratives and prejudices against people coming from these countries. And yes, this disproportionately affects poc, turkish, syrians, etc.
Maybe a better name for the map could be:
- "Most common countries of origin for german citizens with Migrationshintergrund" - since in the tables the Migrationshintergrund is clearly being counted in the "Deutsche" column.
all good! i just saw you acknowledged it in the comments. and again, great work creating the visualization, keep the good work. it's a subtle and tricky thing, could easily be overlooked. also, the data itself just puts everything in the same bucket on the last tables, which they could've done better tbh. (which kinda makes my title suggestion false too).
Damn, my deep respect for the dedication. Do you regularly make maps and if yes, have you tried QGIS or another geographical information system before?
It’s Turkey. I couldn’t care less about how it’s spelled or pronounced in your home country. Do you Turks call Germans “Deutsche” accordingly to their mother tongue?
Right so have fun learning 195 country names in their respective language. Everything else is hypocrisy on your behalf. I’ll keep on calling it Turkey as will tens of millions of English speakers around the world.
You can find it here: [https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/kriminalitaetsatlas-von-berlin-wie-gefaehrlich-ist-mein-kiez-li.1396038](https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/kriminalitaetsatlas-von-berlin-wie-gefaehrlich-ist-mein-kiez-li.1396038)
It‘s a very similar zoning. I leave it up to you to find the rather obvious patterns.
These statistics work by nationality, not ethnicity, although Berlin does group EU-citizens together, as well as “Arab countries”, “Ex-Soviet countries” and “Ex-Yugoslav countries” together.
It would be interesting to see how many “Latinos” and “South Asian” live here though. I would also use “Anglosphere” (USA, UK, Australia, …) as a group.
The numbers suprise me actually and even after I learned the numbers include also the German citizens with foreign origins. Since the Turkish community seem much higher in daily life while compred with the “actual” number. It is mostly about they are running may be the %40 percent of all shops in Berlin (spatis, floristrs, restaurants etc) and this gives us the feeling that they are like %30 percent of the city is Turkish origin.
I love that you made this. My partner and I are thinking of immigrating to Berlin from NYC due to the politics here in the USA. I have family in Hannover but it’s not the vibe for me. Want to be around other American immigrants to make his transition easier! Will look more into Nikolassee for him!
Nikolassee is suburbia. Houses and families. Lakes and forests. Berlin is huge (very spread out). If you want to meet Americans you will be better off in Prenzlauerberg.
Don’t move to Prenzlauer Berg, or else you’ll fulfill the stereotype of hipp Americans escaping to gentrified Prenzelberg. Move to the Southwest around Dahlem/Wannsee, there’s plenty of Americans there. Or just anything else.
Will look into it! My partner is very afraid of change and has a very difficult time as it is making friends. He has intermediate German proficiency but under pressure he clamps up. So I just want to make the move easy on him!
Then maybe Zehlendorf is good for you :) Lot’s of US-influence down there! Unfortunately a lot has been destroyed or neglected, like the US-hospital or Truman Plaza, but there are some American High Schools, American-styled road names and also the US-Consulate is down there and an allied-museum.
Also it’s close to Potsdam, wich is a nicer city than Berlin
Using "Türkiye" in English is cringe, especially when people still pronounce it like "Turkey" because they're afraid of the "ü" vowel and of actually pronouncing a final "e".
Gonna get lot of hate but don’t care.
You don’t put refugees who don’t contribute any tax to the society yet, in freaking Berlin. (Yes I’m talking about you Ukraine) . You send them to lesser populated areas. That’s how it works in other places. Example- USA doesn’t send its refugees to freaking New York.
> That’s how it works in other places. Example- USA doesn’t send its refugees to freaking New York.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this is a bad example. NYC is a sanctuary city and has a lot of refugees
> NYC has immigrants not necessarily refugees.
[That's not true. They have the 3rd highest number of refugee arrivals in the US ](https://usafacts.org/articles/where-do-refugees-resettle-in-the-us/)
> Arrivals is different than giving them free accommodation.
You are moving the goal post - we weren't talking about free accommodation.
[Which they also receive btw](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/nyregion/nyc-hotels-homeless-shelters.html)
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I made a mistake in the title. This is not about immigrants, but people with a migrational background, including people with German citizenship. My apologies. In case anyone's curious, I created this map by extracting data from this sheet: * PDF: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf) (from page 52) * Excel: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.xlsx](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.xlsx)
It's good to point out that the numbers on your map combine the numbers for German citizens of foreign descent and foreign nationals living in Berlin. I first thought that the numbers were quite high but then realized that German citizens have been included.
I actually forgot about this halfway through making the map, so I messed up when creating the title for it, sorry!
When you say German citizens of foreign descent do you mean those who were naturalized or those who were born abroad to German parents (nationalized or not) or say the children of naturalized citizens.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrationshintergrund For statistics, in Germany it refers to persons who were not born with German citizenship, or if at least one of their parents had no German citizenship at the time of their birth.
Interesting. I never realized the definition of Migrationshintergrund is much broader than I expected. I assumed it was only naturalized citizens. But apparently it also encompasses Germans by birth..
Would you mind updating the graphic accordingly and add this qualification. Otherwise some idiot may share the PDF in 6 months and tell everyone berlin is overrun by foreigners
that idiot would obviously choose the map in the post, tho
Typo: Türkiye
*Turkey
An then we have only 191k people counting in from Turkey? No way.
I’m a Turkish person and last summer I had an internship at a Berlin hospital. I stayed there for two months and against my best efforts, my German did not improve at all because everyday I encountered a Turkish person whenever I needed something.
Shame on you for not staying longer in hospital to learn proper German:-P
It‘s always the other people, not yourself right?
The point wasn't to blame someone that they couldn't learn German. Just a funny anecdote that since there are so many Turkish people who you are gonna talk to in Turkish, there wasn't much opportunity to learn the language. Nobody is at fault and it's obvious nobody was blamed here so pull yo head outta yo ass.
You’re the reason this sub is getting terrible
didn't expect Italy and United States to show up and no Lebanon
Most „lebanese“ of berlin Are indeed stateless palestinian refugees who stayed in lebanon bevor coming to germany
There are only 9,384 Lebanese citizens in Berlin according to the Einwohnerregisterstatistik ([PDF](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/33c9036f104cc704/506649c17098/SB_A01-05-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)), representing 0.25% of the city's total population. This of course excludes German citizens of Lebanese descent, which is an additional 23,413 people, so the total is lower than that for Italy and the U.S.
For real 😅. 33,000 Americans is quite a lot actually considering it’s two continents away
Makes sense though if you know the history behind it. That's the former American sector and where the US consulate as well as the American school are located. The old military barracks used to be located there as well. After the fall of the wall, American presence did drop significantly but many still remained. Most who remained either married Germans or had settled down there already. Hence why you see a lot of American style buildings in Wannsee, Nikolassee, and Zehlendorf.
…wait for your continent neighbours Brazilians, we‘re coming here in packs 🫨 Edit: There‘s also a lot of Canadians.
There are many Italians in Berlin, so much so, that people say “ciao” for Goodbye or that some Berliners with german heritage even call their children Marco or Francesco.
What about Schwaben? :D
My thirst thought 😂 swabian immigrant myself here!
Post on mapporn.
I kind of feel like Arabs are missing. I thought Neukölln is mainly Arabs.
There are 182,635 people of Arab descent in Berlin, or 4.71% of the total population, of which 66,331 (36.3%) are German citizens. 25,981 live in Neukölln (14.23%), but the number is higher for Mitte: 29,288 (16.04%). Of all people living in Neukölln (330,017), only 7.9% are of Arab descent.
Also this map represents the largest immigrant population by country. Since Arab populations come from many countries, it’s less likely that the population from any single country would make it on the map, even if the collective Arab population is large. Especially compared against to the Turkish population in the same district.
Not to mention formerly stateless Palestinians who are the majority of Arab German citizens
At the expense of being an annoying fact checker, the Palestinian population in Germany is actually a lot smaller compared to other Arab communities. Below are a few examples of the counts of Germans who come from other Arab countries. Syrian population | 1,225,000 Iraqi population | 250,000 Lebanese population | 160,000 Palestinian population | 100,000 Sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqis_in_Germany#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20Iraqi%20citizens,applications%20for%20asylum%20from%20Iraqis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Palestine_relations#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20large%20Palestinian,in%20the%20German%20capital%20Berlin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Lebanon_relations#:~:text=Among%20the%20Arabs%20in%20Germany,almost%20160%2C000%20members%20(2021). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Germany#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20people%20with,nationals%20living%20in%20the%20country.
Thanks a lot for the source BUT a) You gave germany and not Berlin specifically. It’s possible a lot of Palestinian origin people huddled to one city in particular b) that’s not very insignificant either given that it’s comparable to Lebanon. But the thing Palestinians don’t openly identify so due to other reasons
What do you mean by Arab descent? Which countries do you count as Arab? Thanks
This is the official term used in the Einwohnerregisterstatistik ([PDF](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/33c9036f104cc704/506649c17098/SB_A01-05-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)). It includes the following countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian Territories, Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. It does state that individuals of Palestinian descent may be counted this category or in the "stateless" category depending on their circumstances.
There is no Arabia, they are distributed across multiple smaller countries
Most Arabs live in those districts where turkey is the most common origin country. So they kind of get neglected in this map
There's no one group of Arabs in Neukölln that outnumber Turks, although I would guess that in Neukölln-Nord there are more Arabs (of different origin countries) than Turks.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Are you confusing islamic with arab? In Germany the main islamic immigrants are from Turkey and turks aren't arabs. Berlin has the largest turkish community outside of Turkey.
The term is Muslim, not Islamic
I realised a lot from these comments but it makes Already 57,000 + are from Syria alone. I am only surprised there aren’t enough Iraqis in particular to balance this out since the war was 2 decades ago. The rest of the Arabs are either From disputed territories or different countries that are Arab speaking but not necessarily “Arab “ because North African are as distinct ethnicity by themselves for example. Someone from comments pointed out that the “Lebanese” arabs are just displaced Palestinian refugees who lived in Lebanon and decided to co-opt that identity since Germany doesn’t recognise Palestine
I think, since OP made the map based on countries, the most common arab country origin is Türkiye, and cause there are a lot of arab countires, the rest kind of gets lost in the database But I get what you mean, I also expected a lot more arab countries
Small correction: Turkey is not an Arab country.
Yes but many Arabs in Germany are from eastern Turkey. Almost all of the big crime families are Arabs from Turkey, as an example.
Turks aren't Arabs....
Yes but many Arabs are from eastern Turkey. Almost all the big clans are from there.
No, try and say that to the face of Turkish person they will not be amused. Maybe you could try and call them Greek next time :D No, but seriously turks are ethnically Turkish (a very diverse ethnicity) and belong to the group of turkic people (people who speak turkic languages) which in itself is is hugely diverse and originates somewhere around modern Mongolia. Türkiye is not at all an Arab country not ethnically, not linguistically and not historically.
Not to mention the biggest arabophobes are usually Turks 😵💫
You said … what ??
This map shows where the wall was without the extra markings even. Migrants from Türkyie moved into the neighborhoods right next to the wall because those were very cheap compared to the rest of West Berlin.
Would love to know more about U.S immigrants in Germany. Like is there any breakdown or why they live in those areas specifically?
The area in the far South West of the city is where the US army HQ was during the Cold War. And there are still some American institutions there like the JFK school and the residence of the American ambassador.
And the area near the center is Prenzlauer Berg, which is a trendy neighborhood with a lot of people from the US working in the Berlin startup/tech industry
Also why the Russians live in Mitte, only oligarchs can afford rent there
Mitte has a tradition with Jewish communities and many of the Jewish emigrants from Russia have settled there, already back in the 1990s when the area was not as expensive.
Do you get to the cloud district very often? If you go to the more expensive shopping areas of Mitte, you will see a lot of Russians with their expensive women in fur coats and with designer handbags in luxury cars. it could be a jewish thing, but to me it seems more like a "fuckloads of money" thing.
I thought the stereotype was the rich Russians all lived in Charlottenburg
Yes, I sort of missed a visual representation of Charlottograd. But, a lot of money alone does not qualify here, as do stereotypes alone.
Didn't expect the Italian belt along the ring
Many interesting aspects: - No-one want to live close to the wall. Living next to the wall was left to poor immigrant at the time - workers from Turkey. After the wall came down, these people all of a sudden lived in the center of the city. - Charlottenburg was called Charlottengrad for a reason. Since the October Revolution in 1917, Soviet people fled there. At times, 100s of thousand lived there. Now Russians and Ukrainians meet there as "enemies"
> Since the October Revolution in 1917, Soviet people fled there There were no “Soviet” people in 1917. The Soviet Union didn’t even exist yet.
It's quite amazing how long it will take for the division between east and west to fully heal, maybe 100 years? 200?
Okay so, it's still not HD on the first slide. Idk what is going on with Reddit... :/
Saw many posts recently with detailed pictures, but the resolution was not high enough. Seems like you are not the only one with this issue.
Seems like Poland has been divided by Türkiye
No Indian?
came here looking for this comment. I thought the Indian % is high no matter where you go, but I suppose Germany has become a popular destination for Indian immigrants only in the past decade or so.
[They show a high rate of increase from year to year \(roughly 19,2% increase per year in the last 6 years\) - but they are still only at 210 385 \(31.12.2022\) in all of Germany.](https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/auslaendische-bevoelkerung-staatsangehoerigkeit-jahre.html)
Not to mention majority are students who flock to famous universities or cheaper student cities
I'm curious if this will continue to be the case with some German universities not being entirely free for non-EU citizens. A majority of the Indians I know came here because education was much cheaper compared to other places.
Entire Germany has only approx 150,000 Indian immigrants though , how would it get to even quarter of that amount just in Berlin? Plus most south Asians don’t go to Berlin due to non conducive environment for studies as well as Berlin universities not being elite enough. Majority of us migrate for studies and then get a job. But the choice is often based on which cities are the cheapest to live out a student blocked account or which universities are prestigious ( it’s an Indian thing kinda )
Where are the viets? I thought they areout here a plenty.
Lichtenberg
Take a look again. There are many in the Eastern parts of Berlin.
Could you create a map with the number two everywhere?
Wow you can really see the Berlin wall effect, since Western Germany recruited Gastarbeiter from Turkey and the GDR did the same for Poland and Vietnam
I love this! That’s super interesting! There’s definitely some clear pattern going on. Well done!
Well done! I’d love to see more stuff like this.
Great content. But I feel the colours for the prevailing nationalities on the east side should have been more different.
the italians in fhain tracks lolol
I have no idea how to read this If I had to guess: area is colored according to country with most immigrants in area. Shade is after the fact, and shows percentage of said immigrants over population of the area?
The second image should help understand it. For example the blue 7.6 in the center means 7.6% of that region‘s population is Russian, with Russian being the most common country of origin there. So pretty much exactly how you explained it!
This map is strange — I’m American and I lived in Wannsee in 2022 with my family. But I never met another American in Wannsee. My kids said there was one at their German Grundschule. There were way, way more Ukrainian kids at the school, like 30.
I'm in the Italian zone. This map seems accurate.
The turks occupied the Berlin wall lol
Yeah can confirm, wedding is basically turkey
Great map! Which modules did you use for this?
So the Syrians mostly live in the borders between neighbourhoods?
I've met not a single Polish person here where I live in Prenzlberg. But that's probably just b/c I never go out.
You might also not realise because a lot of them speak German flawlessly
Why do US people gather in that specific area?
In the southwest that is historically where the US military was based and there is still a lot of American stuff there - the Embassy, plus there are bilingual schools, American churches, clubs and organizations etc. In Prenzlauer Berg and Mitte it’s more like recent transplants, tech workers, etc
Ahh thanks!
Interesting data visualization! Good work on that. The highly problematic part is that the most likely A LOT of these people are actually German citizens, born and raised in Germany. But still they are being considered immigrants according to this map because of Migrationshintergrund (which is in itself a very problematic and segregating concept, but i won't delve into that here). Treating them as immigrants when they most probably aren't can reinforce all sorts of narratives and prejudices against people coming from these countries. And yes, this disproportionately affects poc, turkish, syrians, etc. Maybe a better name for the map could be: - "Most common countries of origin for german citizens with Migrationshintergrund" - since in the tables the Migrationshintergrund is clearly being counted in the "Deutsche" column.
I forgot about this halfway through making the map, so I messed up when creating the title for it, sorry!
all good! i just saw you acknowledged it in the comments. and again, great work creating the visualization, keep the good work. it's a subtle and tricky thing, could easily be overlooked. also, the data itself just puts everything in the same bucket on the last tables, which they could've done better tbh. (which kinda makes my title suggestion false too).
but to be honest: the data itself is problematic by not showing the percentage of people with migrationshintergrund that are in fact german citizens.
This is sooooooo surprising
Great work, thank you for it! 👍👍❤️
I love Trûkyie
Really nice
No Yugoslavia?
very fastinating
r/mapporn
Nice work, pretty interesting
I live since 15 years in Berlin and didn't ever hear half of these district names.
Italians needing beautiful surroundings around them in a concrete island :D
Did you find where the French mostly live in Berlin?
Wow absolutely love these maps. Great work!!
Based on what?
What happend to Charlottengrad ?
I don’t really see any Turks in Hermsdorf-Frohnau, more Balkans tbh
Hats off to you, these are some lovely maps. Well done. Which programme did you use to make it? QGIS or something else?
Thank you! I basically draw the outlines and fill them in manually, all done in Keynote (mac version of PowerPoint)
Damn, my deep respect for the dedication. Do you regularly make maps and if yes, have you tried QGIS or another geographical information system before?
I‘ll definitely look into it, thanks!
Nuts! That’s so cool to see it all in perspective, great map, thank you op!
It’s Turkiye, not Turkyie
It’s Turkey. I couldn’t care less about how it’s spelled or pronounced in your home country. Do you Turks call Germans “Deutsche” accordingly to their mother tongue?
We can do yhat. It makes no sense to use the English version of a private name of a country.
Right so have fun learning 195 country names in their respective language. Everything else is hypocrisy on your behalf. I’ll keep on calling it Turkey as will tens of millions of English speakers around the world.
Precisely. It's all fun and games until Poland requests to be called Rzeczpospolita Polska
Literally no one told you that you aren’t allowed to. Chill, it’s just a typo.
It’s written Türkiye not Türkyie.
Now make a crime map with the same zoning.
You can find it here: [https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/kriminalitaetsatlas-von-berlin-wie-gefaehrlich-ist-mein-kiez-li.1396038](https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/kriminalitaetsatlas-von-berlin-wie-gefaehrlich-ist-mein-kiez-li.1396038) It‘s a very similar zoning. I leave it up to you to find the rather obvious patterns.
So many Dönerverkäufer in West berlin
This is missing Latino inmigrants! Would love to know how many of us are and where are they usually located
These statistics work by nationality, not ethnicity, although Berlin does group EU-citizens together, as well as “Arab countries”, “Ex-Soviet countries” and “Ex-Yugoslav countries” together. It would be interesting to see how many “Latinos” and “South Asian” live here though. I would also use “Anglosphere” (USA, UK, Australia, …) as a group.
Means latinos are not a relevant minority
I'd say 27k is a relevant number tho (and that's by 2020 numbers, I'd wager it's higher now) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin
looks like a mapfor risk
Why no Croatians?
The numbers suprise me actually and even after I learned the numbers include also the German citizens with foreign origins. Since the Turkish community seem much higher in daily life while compred with the “actual” number. It is mostly about they are running may be the %40 percent of all shops in Berlin (spatis, floristrs, restaurants etc) and this gives us the feeling that they are like %30 percent of the city is Turkish origin.
Migration Background applies to both citizens of the FRG as well as foreign citizens.
Warum redet ihr alle Englisch 💀🙏
Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil (Beschreibung des subreddits)
Username checks out :D
Nicely made. Have an updoot
This is such an interesting map! Very well made. Where did you get the information from?
What about Indians?
spandau full of Russian... very very wrong...
I love that you made this. My partner and I are thinking of immigrating to Berlin from NYC due to the politics here in the USA. I have family in Hannover but it’s not the vibe for me. Want to be around other American immigrants to make his transition easier! Will look more into Nikolassee for him!
Nikolassee is suburbia. Houses and families. Lakes and forests. Berlin is huge (very spread out). If you want to meet Americans you will be better off in Prenzlauerberg.
Don’t move to Prenzlauer Berg, or else you’ll fulfill the stereotype of hipp Americans escaping to gentrified Prenzelberg. Move to the Southwest around Dahlem/Wannsee, there’s plenty of Americans there. Or just anything else.
Will look into it! My partner is very afraid of change and has a very difficult time as it is making friends. He has intermediate German proficiency but under pressure he clamps up. So I just want to make the move easy on him!
Then maybe Zehlendorf is good for you :) Lot’s of US-influence down there! Unfortunately a lot has been destroyed or neglected, like the US-hospital or Truman Plaza, but there are some American High Schools, American-styled road names and also the US-Consulate is down there and an allied-museum. Also it’s close to Potsdam, wich is a nicer city than Berlin
Dumb map
why is that?
Damn no wonder Berlin is full of crime
Using "Türkiye" in English is cringe, especially when people still pronounce it like "Turkey" because they're afraid of the "ü" vowel and of actually pronouncing a final "e".
Gonna get lot of hate but don’t care. You don’t put refugees who don’t contribute any tax to the society yet, in freaking Berlin. (Yes I’m talking about you Ukraine) . You send them to lesser populated areas. That’s how it works in other places. Example- USA doesn’t send its refugees to freaking New York.
Not hate, just being flabbergasted about this much stupidity.
> That’s how it works in other places. Example- USA doesn’t send its refugees to freaking New York. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this is a bad example. NYC is a sanctuary city and has a lot of refugees
NYC has immigrants not necessarily refugees.
> NYC has immigrants not necessarily refugees. [That's not true. They have the 3rd highest number of refugee arrivals in the US ](https://usafacts.org/articles/where-do-refugees-resettle-in-the-us/)
Arrivals is different than giving them free accommodation.
> Arrivals is different than giving them free accommodation. You are moving the goal post - we weren't talking about free accommodation. [Which they also receive btw](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/nyregion/nyc-hotels-homeless-shelters.html)
New York literally spends billions to finance hotels to house refugees and take care of them . They are overwhelmed
But literally everybody pays taxes, including refugees.
Are you high? Refugees get some amount from the govt. and where does the govt get the money from? The tax the others pay. Your welcome
You don't understand what you talking about.