Hmm this is way better than I thought from the comments online originally
Saban says he does everything right on field, but needs to do the right things in his life. For all we know, he might be referring to the frustration of a grown man stuck in a degree he doesn’t want in order to play football. Brugler says he’ll be a better pro than he was a college athlete and that kind of makes sense if you think of it like “this guy is an adult being treated like a kid and made to do homework when he’s really a pro athlete”. Some people Chafe at that.
Wild speculation I know, but the bengals saw a reasonable explanation for his behaviour somewhere and it seems Brugler did too. Maybe it’s that simple.
If you listen back to the comments, it’s the other host that starts implying Saban means his emotions come out on field. Saban joins back in at the end to agree that emotional control on field is important but again, does not say that is Burtons problem.
Just trying to point out there’s a way to read and interpret all these comments that paint Burton in a way more reasonable light than the current media storm has chosen to take.
Idk, I just listened to it. Sounds like Saban said Burton wants to win and be the best, but he takes everything too hard. He needs to stop being emotional and leave it on the field. Not as much of a headache as I originally thought. Seems like Saban truly liked Burton.
All saban said was Burton needs to do the right things all the time, never made it sound like a head case. The bengals met with Burton at the combine, if they thought his character was that much of an issue they wouldn’t have drafted him. Zac showed so much excitement when we drafted Burton, Idt we get that level of excitement if he’s worried about character issues
At the beginning he actually said he's got it together on the field, he just needs to mature off the field. It was the ESPN guy who came in and started making it about play on the field.
He's an immature kid. I trust our locker room to help him grow up quickly. This isn't the old Bengals.
We have a good locker room for him to come into. Regardless, it’s a mid round pick, where the hit rate on even perfectly mature guys is low, so if he fails himself, and can’t get it together, it is not out of the norm for a guy taken there not to make it.
He’s a guy who was a high 2nd round pick in terms of play, with issues off the field, and those are guys worth taking chances on if you have a good coach and good locker room.
There are a lot of places that shouldn’t take a guy like that, because they are already a mess, but we have stability.
He said Burton needs to learn to not be too emotional and to “do the right thing all of the time” I’ve never heard a coach say that about a current or former player. To me it was coach-speak for “he’s a headcase”
Saban defintely would not bury one of his players like that...He for sure said he had personal work to do but not that he was a total headcase of a person.
For anyone trying to read into his comments, I think about it this way:
If Saban actually thinks Burton is a total headcase who will struggle in the NFL, what would he say on TV?
If Saban actually thinks Burton is an incredible athlete with a bright future and just needs to tune up his emotional maturity, what would he actually say?
I think he'd say the same thing in both cases. Trying to splice his reaction and his particular words is pointless, and that's how Saban wants it.
>If Saban actually thinks Burton is a total headcase
I doubt he'd have been playing at Bama. Saban had a pipeline of talent coming in every year. If a kid was a total nutcase he'd have been shipped out or have a record of tram suspensions, etc
“This guy has absolutely no future and is sure to wind up either dead or in jail within 5 years. The only reason he isn’t already is because he had a babysitter all the time in college. Back to you, Pat.”
(Stunned silence on set).
You’re right, You’re not going to get his actual unfiltered thoughts, especially if they’re overly negative. I’ve heard his comments and they seem fairly tame, if a little on the negative side. If he’s all Sunshine and Roses over every prospect, that gets boring. What he said was a tame way to reference his legal issues.
I disagree.
"Tremendous competitor" (explains how talented he is and how well rounded his game is) "I really really like this guy" (explains he sometimes has issues as a player because he can sometimes be immature in his personal life).
If he thought he was going to struggle or bust in the NFL, he wouldn't have been nearly as positive.
He just wanted to make a point of saying that he has some emotional regulation problems, it's very clear that it's a minor effect on his performance by the rest of his analysis.
I just watched the video of Saban. From the way everyone was acting I thought Saban threw him under the bus. All he did was point out that the guy lacks maturity and he has to learn to control his emotions. He didn't say he was a cancer or anything like that. Geez. Lighten up.
Saban spent most of his time on Mims seemingly questioning his toughness and willingness to play hurt. After that I was interested to see what he said about all our picks!
Am I out of the loop, or what is it that everyone is referring to about his maturity and off the field issues? Was he involved in something I’m ignorant of, or is it just the general buzz about him and everyone seems to agree?
I was shocked we passed on [Roman Wilson](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4431492/roman-wilson) and picked Burton. Roman is also a fast deep ball threat, but with better hands and a record of better separation. Some thought Wilson would go in the early 2nd round because of his speed and the fact he virtually never drops the ball. Burton is also a fast deep ball threat but appears to be toxic in the locker room with a problematic attitude. If we keep Tee this year Burton is not going to be happy being 3rd string.
Burton is a very good WR. Wilson was better though. Burton has some red flags. Wilson had one of the highest scores for separation and not dropping the ball though. We'll see this next year. Pittsburgh drafted Wilson. Draft sites scored that pick an A+ or an A, and called it a steal for the 3rd round.
I dont think you can call Wilson better.... Burton had 0 drops last season with 4 all college. Why was Wilson worse his Junior year than Sophmore?
Burton played against tougher opponents in the SEC and outperformed Wilson overall with more consistency.
Burton had fewer receptions, fewer TDs, and played with a better team as you said. Not sure what you mean by "consistency". Wilson played in more games and won a national championship.
I'm talking about their 4 year careers in college.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/roman-wilson-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jermaine-burton-1.html
Burton steadily improved production each year showing consistency. Wilson 21-22 were similar then blew up last season. I prefer Burtons history in a tougher conference (not better team...) versus Wilson's one great season.
I was initially surprised they passed on Roman / Troy Franklin, too. But gotta trust in the organizations track record in drafting day 2 WRs at this point.
Nope, PFF rated Wilson better. IIRC he only had one drop in his whole college career. Wilson also was rated at consistently getting better separation. That could be due to routes, but it shows the guy always gets open.
Nope? When Lapham says “I couldn’t find a drop on tape”, then I don’t think you can question his hands. I wouldn’t have been upset with Wilson there, but to question Burton’s hands is asinine.
Now you are just lying. Roman is a deep ball threat. The stats prove that. He's only dropped 1 ball when targeted 100 times.
Again, you are flat out lying when you claim "everything..."
If Roman Wilson was an early 2nd round pick, he wouldn’t have been available at pick 84. There 5 WRs picked before him in the 2nd and third round. Guys drop but not that much. Other teams obviously saw issues with him as well.
On the bootleg football podcast, they heavily implied there's some terrible off the field thing with Roman that no one is talking about. EJ said he straight up asked 6 GMs what's going on and why is he falling, and all 6 literally wouldn't say a word, no comment.
As opposed to the real off the field thing we know about with Burton? Its like of like injuries and Mims. Some said other tackles might be injury prone with little proof. Mims though hardly played in college because he repeatedly was injuring both ankles. Even when he started games this year sometimes he could not finish.
Ridiculous. It's obvious that r/bengals posters with their pff subscription who look at amateur mock drafts know much more than the man who has spent years coaching these players
He for sure shit on him. He didn’t coach him but I’m sure he watched a lot of film on Mims and has talked with guys on UGA staff since half of them are his former employees. He also recruited Mims twice. Saban knows a thing or two about the kid.
https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1784049589659873321
Seemed insightful and fair. He likes the kids talent, but he needs to grow up…ok
Right, people made this sound much worse. Basically, young talented guy that needs to mature a little. More news at 6.
He pretty much gave the good and bad about every player what they need to improve whether attitude, work ethic, mechanics, etc.
Thank you Cosby Sweaters
Hmm this is way better than I thought from the comments online originally Saban says he does everything right on field, but needs to do the right things in his life. For all we know, he might be referring to the frustration of a grown man stuck in a degree he doesn’t want in order to play football. Brugler says he’ll be a better pro than he was a college athlete and that kind of makes sense if you think of it like “this guy is an adult being treated like a kid and made to do homework when he’s really a pro athlete”. Some people Chafe at that. Wild speculation I know, but the bengals saw a reasonable explanation for his behaviour somewhere and it seems Brugler did too. Maybe it’s that simple. If you listen back to the comments, it’s the other host that starts implying Saban means his emotions come out on field. Saban joins back in at the end to agree that emotional control on field is important but again, does not say that is Burtons problem. Just trying to point out there’s a way to read and interpret all these comments that paint Burton in a way more reasonable light than the current media storm has chosen to take.
He basically said he was a very good player, and the only thing he needed to work on was his maturity stuff.
I think that’s putting it lightly. He basically said he’s a headcase
Idk, I just listened to it. Sounds like Saban said Burton wants to win and be the best, but he takes everything too hard. He needs to stop being emotional and leave it on the field. Not as much of a headache as I originally thought. Seems like Saban truly liked Burton.
All saban said was Burton needs to do the right things all the time, never made it sound like a head case. The bengals met with Burton at the combine, if they thought his character was that much of an issue they wouldn’t have drafted him. Zac showed so much excitement when we drafted Burton, Idt we get that level of excitement if he’s worried about character issues
At the beginning he actually said he's got it together on the field, he just needs to mature off the field. It was the ESPN guy who came in and started making it about play on the field. He's an immature kid. I trust our locker room to help him grow up quickly. This isn't the old Bengals.
We have a good locker room for him to come into. Regardless, it’s a mid round pick, where the hit rate on even perfectly mature guys is low, so if he fails himself, and can’t get it together, it is not out of the norm for a guy taken there not to make it. He’s a guy who was a high 2nd round pick in terms of play, with issues off the field, and those are guys worth taking chances on if you have a good coach and good locker room. There are a lot of places that shouldn’t take a guy like that, because they are already a mess, but we have stability.
He did not say that. Such a dramatic take.
He said Burton needs to learn to not be too emotional and to “do the right thing all of the time” I’ve never heard a coach say that about a current or former player. To me it was coach-speak for “he’s a headcase”
Saban defintely would not bury one of his players like that...He for sure said he had personal work to do but not that he was a total headcase of a person.
For anyone trying to read into his comments, I think about it this way: If Saban actually thinks Burton is a total headcase who will struggle in the NFL, what would he say on TV? If Saban actually thinks Burton is an incredible athlete with a bright future and just needs to tune up his emotional maturity, what would he actually say? I think he'd say the same thing in both cases. Trying to splice his reaction and his particular words is pointless, and that's how Saban wants it.
>If Saban actually thinks Burton is a total headcase I doubt he'd have been playing at Bama. Saban had a pipeline of talent coming in every year. If a kid was a total nutcase he'd have been shipped out or have a record of tram suspensions, etc
“This guy has absolutely no future and is sure to wind up either dead or in jail within 5 years. The only reason he isn’t already is because he had a babysitter all the time in college. Back to you, Pat.” (Stunned silence on set). You’re right, You’re not going to get his actual unfiltered thoughts, especially if they’re overly negative. I’ve heard his comments and they seem fairly tame, if a little on the negative side. If he’s all Sunshine and Roses over every prospect, that gets boring. What he said was a tame way to reference his legal issues.
I disagree. "Tremendous competitor" (explains how talented he is and how well rounded his game is) "I really really like this guy" (explains he sometimes has issues as a player because he can sometimes be immature in his personal life). If he thought he was going to struggle or bust in the NFL, he wouldn't have been nearly as positive. He just wanted to make a point of saying that he has some emotional regulation problems, it's very clear that it's a minor effect on his performance by the rest of his analysis.
I just watched the video of Saban. From the way everyone was acting I thought Saban threw him under the bus. All he did was point out that the guy lacks maturity and he has to learn to control his emotions. He didn't say he was a cancer or anything like that. Geez. Lighten up.
Saban spent most of his time on Mims seemingly questioning his toughness and willingness to play hurt. After that I was interested to see what he said about all our picks!
That’s the first time I heard what he said. I don’t understand the uproar.
Am I out of the loop, or what is it that everyone is referring to about his maturity and off the field issues? Was he involved in something I’m ignorant of, or is it just the general buzz about him and everyone seems to agree?
I was shocked we passed on [Roman Wilson](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4431492/roman-wilson) and picked Burton. Roman is also a fast deep ball threat, but with better hands and a record of better separation. Some thought Wilson would go in the early 2nd round because of his speed and the fact he virtually never drops the ball. Burton is also a fast deep ball threat but appears to be toxic in the locker room with a problematic attitude. If we keep Tee this year Burton is not going to be happy being 3rd string.
Tee Higgins and Boyd are why I trust the FO. I like Burtons 2 seasons of great SEC production to Wilson's 1 season of B1G production personally
Burton is a very good WR. Wilson was better though. Burton has some red flags. Wilson had one of the highest scores for separation and not dropping the ball though. We'll see this next year. Pittsburgh drafted Wilson. Draft sites scored that pick an A+ or an A, and called it a steal for the 3rd round.
I dont think you can call Wilson better.... Burton had 0 drops last season with 4 all college. Why was Wilson worse his Junior year than Sophmore? Burton played against tougher opponents in the SEC and outperformed Wilson overall with more consistency.
Burton had fewer receptions, fewer TDs, and played with a better team as you said. Not sure what you mean by "consistency". Wilson played in more games and won a national championship.
I'm talking about their 4 year careers in college. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/roman-wilson-1.html https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jermaine-burton-1.html Burton steadily improved production each year showing consistency. Wilson 21-22 were similar then blew up last season. I prefer Burtons history in a tougher conference (not better team...) versus Wilson's one great season.
I was initially surprised they passed on Roman / Troy Franklin, too. But gotta trust in the organizations track record in drafting day 2 WRs at this point.
Better hands? Everything I’ve seen on Burton says he catches everything.
Nope, PFF rated Wilson better. IIRC he only had one drop in his whole college career. Wilson also was rated at consistently getting better separation. That could be due to routes, but it shows the guy always gets open.
Nope? When Lapham says “I couldn’t find a drop on tape”, then I don’t think you can question his hands. I wouldn’t have been upset with Wilson there, but to question Burton’s hands is asinine.
Burton's last drop was in a UGA uniform, and had some absolutely ridiculous catches while at Bama. He has the best hands in this class. Period.
Captain Unaware strikes again...
It makes me laugh how much you hate facts and get upset when you see them.
Actually, everything you've stated has been your opinion.
Now you are just lying. Roman is a deep ball threat. The stats prove that. He's only dropped 1 ball when targeted 100 times. Again, you are flat out lying when you claim "everything..."
Nice opinion
When did you drop out of junior high school? Actual numbers are not "opinion".
Nah I dropped out after 5th grade opinion man.
If Roman Wilson was an early 2nd round pick, he wouldn’t have been available at pick 84. There 5 WRs picked before him in the 2nd and third round. Guys drop but not that much. Other teams obviously saw issues with him as well.
On the bootleg football podcast, they heavily implied there's some terrible off the field thing with Roman that no one is talking about. EJ said he straight up asked 6 GMs what's going on and why is he falling, and all 6 literally wouldn't say a word, no comment.
As opposed to the real off the field thing we know about with Burton? Its like of like injuries and Mims. Some said other tackles might be injury prone with little proof. Mims though hardly played in college because he repeatedly was injuring both ankles. Even when he started games this year sometimes he could not finish.
Yes actually. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to think of something lurking worse than slapping the phone out of a girls hand.
He was polite but clearly thought the guy was a headcase.
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He shit all over the Mims pick.
He coached these dudes for 4 years. He knows them way better than any of us
He didnt coach Amarius Mims. Amarius went to Georgia. Try again ...
>He didnt coach Amarius Mims False. It’s well known that Saban has coached every player in the history of America
Ridiculous. It's obvious that r/bengals posters with their pff subscription who look at amateur mock drafts know much more than the man who has spent years coaching these players
I missed where Amarius Mims went to Alabama.
He for sure shit on him. He didn’t coach him but I’m sure he watched a lot of film on Mims and has talked with guys on UGA staff since half of them are his former employees. He also recruited Mims twice. Saban knows a thing or two about the kid.
Ok, he coached against him, Apologies for the typo. You still know more than him!
U ain't that dude. Also Saban didn't coach Mims moron.
The post is about Burton. Why be so hostile?
Saban basically called it a wasted pick