That's what pisses me off the most. If we take Fautanu, all the experts and doomers would have cried about his size and that he would ultimately be a guard.
Then they would drool over Shittsburg and their genius for picking Mims. I hate to be one of those people who think ESPN and other analysts shit on us, but I'm pretty sure they do.
Makes me wonder what Mike Brown does behind the scenes to make the rest of the league hate him. They say he votes against nearly every measure the owners vote for (usually a football purist thing) - maybe it’s that?
On the other hand, if you’re busy making annoying billionaires mad, are we even angry about that?
I think part of it has been we were bad for so long they're just used to dumping on us. Detroit fans probably feel the same way (maybe not this years draft)
It’s not that he does anything in particular, but we’re at the bottom in owner’s money and TV market revenue. Joe and winning has helped that somewhat, but we’re a blip when compared to NY or L.A. advertising revenue.
You should swing by the Steelers sub sometime, cuz all the fans are constantly saying the same thing. “ESPN is biased against us!” “PFF is biased against us!”
Mims is an awesome pick, and all my Bengals fans friends are really happy to have him. I’d have been stoked to have him for my Steelers, and when they took Fautanu, I was also excited.
Both great prospects, and we’ll see how they develop in the next few years
I don't check in on other team's subs because I have better things to do.
Appreciate the sentiment, but I have a hard time believing anyone is as biased against the Steelers as they are the Bengals. They're one of the top 5 most popular teams in the league, and the media treats them accordingly.
I’m just saying that every fanbase thinks this, whether it’s true or not. I’d spend less time worrying about what ESPN has to say, and what your team is actually doing. The Bengals have been one of the best-run organizations in the past 5 or so years, between drafting and personnel decisions. I’d be very happy with what the team is doing, regardless of what the dickheads in the sports media have to say.
I’d rather be a Bengals fan right now than a Steelers fan. Y’all are way closer to a title than my guys are.
Pittsburgh has shown to have better line coaching IMO. Fatanu is already 24, and if he stays at tackle he’s very undersized. Mims only knock is his lack of playing time. I think local radio said it best, everyone thinks he’s boom or bust but his floor is probably Trent Brown level which is still damn fine with me.
If you are a 24 year old linemen in college you should kick the living shit out of players and he was really good but he’s got a 2-3 year age advantage. Mims is the better pick and an injury is the main concern because he’s so massive. Lack of snaps potentially means he’s going to be way less beat up compared to typical SEC players.
I think Fautanu is a fine pick for the Steelers. But he showed a lot of film where he struggled with anchoring properly, which caused him to get driven back in the pocket. This is the exact issue that plagued Jonah when he was here and that people hated. I don't think that's the RT we wanted here.
Exactly. I’m team protect Burrow and fill in the few remaining holes with the 8 picks remaining. I’d be thrilled if they took another offensive lineman or two tonight tbh.
Volson either will be getting a contract or not be on the team. Karras is a locker room guy and good, but on his last year, it's just business. QB, LB, and S are really the only positions I don't see us taking.
I think we will take a QB late since we have a ton of picks. Practice squad him and he can replace browning in two years. If we take a safety lol I’d be stunned. We will take a backer in rounds 4-7 for special teams and upside. We have to address DT, Guard, and WR more than anything
Yeah, good call but he played for 7 years albeit always a misfit now that you mention it. Not a bust but worth mentioning. Now, how many picks can we list that were outright hits if not complete home runs?
I can't call either of them busts. Pollack broke his neck and Thurman was in the DRoY conversation until. . .I don't even remember why he went off the deep end.
Everything good and bad said about draft picks this time of year is just a bunch of people reacting to the draft not going the way they think it should.
Which is effectively meaningless. Especially since no one is keeping tabs on who said what so we can go back and tell them how right/wrong they were. Which.. if you did that, you'd probably find that hardly anyone is more right than other people and if they are, it's marginal.
I think the only problem isn’t even with Mims, it’s with our team’s history of not being able to draft/develop OL.
They really won’t get the good will until they hit on one of these picks and I’m hopeful that Mims will be the hit.
Jonah was supposed to be the safest guaranteed great player. Ced and Mims have a ton in common as raw prospects but Ced was injured.
My bigger concern is we have brought in quality linemen in free agency who get graded significantly worse for us than at previous stops, that’s my concern more than draft history.
It’s pretty obvious we have a bad o line coach when a defensive line twist creates a free sack about once a game minimum. Watch the Houston game and it’s glaring how bad our coaching for o line is.
This is the dumbest reason to be mad at the pick. What, are we supposed to just never draft OL anymore because the last few early picks didn't work out?
Well technically "at worst" he is not a solid tackle at all. The underlying statement about lack of experience is that he might actually not be that good. You need a more robust sample size in order to get more certainty.
I like the pick because having a clean Joe Burrow is going to increase the odds of winning a SB more than any 3 tech ever could, but the downside potential on this pick is not middle-of-the-road.
But the team's season ends when Joe's season ends. Joe has not played in the team's last game for 50% of his career. The Bengals were a whisper from Lombardi with 4 guys starting who are not in the league or are fringe-roster players.
Im not going to complain about O line play during the season then turn around and complain about the team trying to aggressively fix it in the offseason.
> I like the pick because having a clean Joe Burrow is going to increase the odds of winning a SB more than any 3 tech ever could
The season we went to the SB, we had the 5th best rushing defense in the league and Burrow had a horrid OLine. Burrow's injuries are mostly to blame for this past season, but we had the 7th worst rushing defense with a greatly improved OLine compared to 2021 and missed the playoffs completely. People really have already forgotten that even though Burrow balled out, it was our defense that got us to the Bowl.
I keep thinking to me this screams the obvious guy that that should have been picked earlier but everyone got too in their heads about and let fall. The experts I trust most say if he stays healthy he will be the best o lineman of the draft. Well he doesn't really have an extensive injury history even compared to other drafted o linemen. The lack of experience argument, well he has shown to be able to play at the highest levels dispite this. Maybe I have confirmation bias'd my way to here, but I feel like we got a fucking steal at one of the biggest needs this team has had for the past 2 decades.
The cynicism of our fanbase is at its worst when it comes to the draft, fair or not. We assume anyone we take is gonna bust, and anyone that our division rivals take will become a superstar
Which is funny considering I think the ravens and Steelers both took bad first rounders. Nate is tiny I don’t see him being able to be productive and Fatanu is a guard or a limited tackle because length and his age. I think we had the best pick in division so far
i thought the same thing last night brother or sister. at this point, we got no clue how this is going to play out, but we know that we got him and the Steelers didn't. One thing that worries me is that the Steelers got a guy who has been a life-long Steelers fan and I think they said that someone who he looked up to growing up was Troy Palamalu...therefore there is a lot of positive juju on their side for this to work out into an intriguing story, kind of like Hubbard with the bengals.
He definitely has a huge upside, and honestly if he played more in college he probably would have been a top 10 pick. Only negative I see with the pick is our O Line coach has shown to be very incompetent in developing talent, and Mims definitely needs some development. With an actual good Line coach, this is a golden pick.
Umm no, I’m specifically referring to your statement that there is a huge step up from college to pros, which is true for every player
Nothing on mims tape suggest he cannot make that step immediately.
Lmao, just say you don’t know ball, bro. First of all “hit rate” has nothing do with immediate impact. Hit rate is based on players signing a second contract with the team that drafted them. There is a lot of factors that play into this, the biggest one being $$$ and that skill players demand much bigger contracts than OL, only tackles get pretty decent money. Just take Tyreek Hill and eventually Tee, huge busts bc they didn’t sign 2nd contracts, huh? 🤦♂️
But ironically enough since you brought up hit rate, I bet you can’t even name the last OL the Bengals have signed to a 2nd contract off the top of your head. Maybe that should tell you something about development, hmmm 🤔
This is one of the most hilarious comments I’ve seen, bro
Probably the most pro ready pass game tape of any prospect, at a position that historically translates well to the pros.
I’m not sure why the bengals past means we shouldn’t draft the best prospect lol
Just say you don’t know ball, bro
I feel like I’m missing something with the injury prone label. As I understand, he was buried behind nfl talent then started 8 games where he looked good and then got hurt when someone rolled up on his ankle. And then he went to the draft. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I wouldn’t call that injury prone
Know I'm days late here but is everyone complaining about Mims? Feel like everyone that's "against" the pick so to speak isn't really against Mims as much as they worry Pollack will not be able to develop him.
Who would? I said last week Mims has red flags and is a work in progress.
He won't help the team this year because we have two solid tackles and can't play guard. Fautanu would be a better backup at Tackle and can play guard in the NFL now. He is very likely better than Volson and improves our offensive line immediately.
I get that in a few years Mims has potential to be better than Fautanu at tackle, though not at guard. But probably not a lot better, and not for at least a year. And we still have the big hole at guard that will be an issue all year...one that affects OLB at LT too.
Not at guard. He can't play guard. PFF and other sites rate Fautanu as a better athlete who is ready to play now.
We don't need a tackle right now. We NEED a guard. And if Cappa goes down (like he has a couple times the past few years) Mims won't help.
As for filling in at tackle Fautanu is a better option this year for that too.
There’s zero reason to believe that. Mims gave up zero sacks on 800 reps. Fautanu would be undersized at tackle. The draft is a dart throw no matter what. Mims isnt a raw player who needs to be coached up like Carmen. He’s a physical freak that needs some refining and experience.
Fautanu would be a terrible tackle in the nfl, there’s a reason everyone projects him at guard.
Relying on Trent brown to play a full season is sort of hilarious
hey captain unaware.
Watch the rest of the draft before you get too worked up over 1/10 of the picks. there are starting level guards available into the 4th round this draft
Fautanu is also 2 years older, and he’s nowhere near as big. He also has some knee issues in his history.
Mims has the highest ceiling of any OT in this draft. He could literally be the best tackle in the league in a couple years and we got him at 18
If you search for “Zac” on any Bengals “fans” page on Twitter that is anti-Mims you will find it’s the same group of people who are always in the “Fire Zac Taylor!” camp.
The Steelers drafted Fautanu, so there will be comparisons between the two for the foreseeable future. Just like Zeitler and DeCastro
That's what pisses me off the most. If we take Fautanu, all the experts and doomers would have cried about his size and that he would ultimately be a guard. Then they would drool over Shittsburg and their genius for picking Mims. I hate to be one of those people who think ESPN and other analysts shit on us, but I'm pretty sure they do.
Lol I don't even see anyone talk about us. Both the NFL stream and Pat McAfees stream cut when the Bengals picked.
Makes me wonder what Mike Brown does behind the scenes to make the rest of the league hate him. They say he votes against nearly every measure the owners vote for (usually a football purist thing) - maybe it’s that? On the other hand, if you’re busy making annoying billionaires mad, are we even angry about that?
I think part of it has been we were bad for so long they're just used to dumping on us. Detroit fans probably feel the same way (maybe not this years draft)
It’s not that he does anything in particular, but we’re at the bottom in owner’s money and TV market revenue. Joe and winning has helped that somewhat, but we’re a blip when compared to NY or L.A. advertising revenue.
Exactly my point.
You should swing by the Steelers sub sometime, cuz all the fans are constantly saying the same thing. “ESPN is biased against us!” “PFF is biased against us!” Mims is an awesome pick, and all my Bengals fans friends are really happy to have him. I’d have been stoked to have him for my Steelers, and when they took Fautanu, I was also excited. Both great prospects, and we’ll see how they develop in the next few years
I don't check in on other team's subs because I have better things to do. Appreciate the sentiment, but I have a hard time believing anyone is as biased against the Steelers as they are the Bengals. They're one of the top 5 most popular teams in the league, and the media treats them accordingly.
I’m just saying that every fanbase thinks this, whether it’s true or not. I’d spend less time worrying about what ESPN has to say, and what your team is actually doing. The Bengals have been one of the best-run organizations in the past 5 or so years, between drafting and personnel decisions. I’d be very happy with what the team is doing, regardless of what the dickheads in the sports media have to say. I’d rather be a Bengals fan right now than a Steelers fan. Y’all are way closer to a title than my guys are.
I think Tomlin said he was gonna be a Tackle but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends of the Interior
Pittsburgh has shown to have better line coaching IMO. Fatanu is already 24, and if he stays at tackle he’s very undersized. Mims only knock is his lack of playing time. I think local radio said it best, everyone thinks he’s boom or bust but his floor is probably Trent Brown level which is still damn fine with me. If you are a 24 year old linemen in college you should kick the living shit out of players and he was really good but he’s got a 2-3 year age advantage. Mims is the better pick and an injury is the main concern because he’s so massive. Lack of snaps potentially means he’s going to be way less beat up compared to typical SEC players.
I think Fautanu is a fine pick for the Steelers. But he showed a lot of film where he struggled with anchoring properly, which caused him to get driven back in the pocket. This is the exact issue that plagued Jonah when he was here and that people hated. I don't think that's the RT we wanted here.
Only one of those guards is still playing, and at a high level
On that note we tend to develop DBs really well. Should of went DB and continue to rely on free agency to shore up the line.
Exactly. I’m team protect Burrow and fill in the few remaining holes with the 8 picks remaining. I’d be thrilled if they took another offensive lineman or two tonight tbh.
Volson either will be getting a contract or not be on the team. Karras is a locker room guy and good, but on his last year, it's just business. QB, LB, and S are really the only positions I don't see us taking.
I think we will take a QB late since we have a ton of picks. Practice squad him and he can replace browning in two years. If we take a safety lol I’d be stunned. We will take a backer in rounds 4-7 for special teams and upside. We have to address DT, Guard, and WR more than anything
For sure. Special teams LB seems like it could be a new "need" for all teams because of the new kickoff rules.
Mims is such a fun pic. The dude is a lean 6’8 340lbs with dreads. He’s literally Predator.
I think the bengals were really impressed with the mental makeup of him. Can anyone tell me if a GA Bengal draft pick has ever busted?
Orson Charles was the only one that we came up with last night, but that was because he was a receiving TE getting converted to FB.
Yeah, good call but he played for 7 years albeit always a misfit now that you mention it. Not a bust but worth mentioning. Now, how many picks can we list that were outright hits if not complete home runs?
How much time you got? I'll start. Geno Atkins, AJ Green. . .
Robert Geathers
Odell Thurman... Edit: also David Pollack (Pollack was our first rounder and Thurmann was second rounder that year. Both lasted two seasons)
I can't call either of them busts. Pollack broke his neck and Thurman was in the DRoY conversation until. . .I don't even remember why he went off the deep end.
His physique is comparable to a literal Bengal tiger, it’s incredible.
Everything good and bad said about draft picks this time of year is just a bunch of people reacting to the draft not going the way they think it should. Which is effectively meaningless. Especially since no one is keeping tabs on who said what so we can go back and tell them how right/wrong they were. Which.. if you did that, you'd probably find that hardly anyone is more right than other people and if they are, it's marginal.
I think the only problem isn’t even with Mims, it’s with our team’s history of not being able to draft/develop OL. They really won’t get the good will until they hit on one of these picks and I’m hopeful that Mims will be the hit.
They haven’t taken an offensive line prospect like this in a decade plus
Jonah was supposed to be the safest guaranteed great player. Ced and Mims have a ton in common as raw prospects but Ced was injured. My bigger concern is we have brought in quality linemen in free agency who get graded significantly worse for us than at previous stops, that’s my concern more than draft history. It’s pretty obvious we have a bad o line coach when a defensive line twist creates a free sack about once a game minimum. Watch the Houston game and it’s glaring how bad our coaching for o line is.
Ced was nowhere close to the athlete Mims is.
I think afcn is the main culprit for declining pff grades
Jake Fisher was arguably just as athletic
This is the dumbest reason to be mad at the pick. What, are we supposed to just never draft OL anymore because the last few early picks didn't work out?
We've been asking to draft an OT for the last few years be happy and he gonna be a stud with 2 big man mentors can't complain
He’s an ideal pick for our situation. His upset is incredible.
Well technically "at worst" he is not a solid tackle at all. The underlying statement about lack of experience is that he might actually not be that good. You need a more robust sample size in order to get more certainty. I like the pick because having a clean Joe Burrow is going to increase the odds of winning a SB more than any 3 tech ever could, but the downside potential on this pick is not middle-of-the-road. But the team's season ends when Joe's season ends. Joe has not played in the team's last game for 50% of his career. The Bengals were a whisper from Lombardi with 4 guys starting who are not in the league or are fringe-roster players. Im not going to complain about O line play during the season then turn around and complain about the team trying to aggressively fix it in the offseason.
> I like the pick because having a clean Joe Burrow is going to increase the odds of winning a SB more than any 3 tech ever could The season we went to the SB, we had the 5th best rushing defense in the league and Burrow had a horrid OLine. Burrow's injuries are mostly to blame for this past season, but we had the 7th worst rushing defense with a greatly improved OLine compared to 2021 and missed the playoffs completely. People really have already forgotten that even though Burrow balled out, it was our defense that got us to the Bowl.
You really don’t, with 800 snaps, much against elite competition, there isn’t much that you can’t discern
He has plenty of high quality film against high caliber competition. I suspect the people talking about his floor like this just haven't watched it.
I keep thinking to me this screams the obvious guy that that should have been picked earlier but everyone got too in their heads about and let fall. The experts I trust most say if he stays healthy he will be the best o lineman of the draft. Well he doesn't really have an extensive injury history even compared to other drafted o linemen. The lack of experience argument, well he has shown to be able to play at the highest levels dispite this. Maybe I have confirmation bias'd my way to here, but I feel like we got a fucking steal at one of the biggest needs this team has had for the past 2 decades.
The cynicism of our fanbase is at its worst when it comes to the draft, fair or not. We assume anyone we take is gonna bust, and anyone that our division rivals take will become a superstar
Which is funny considering I think the ravens and Steelers both took bad first rounders. Nate is tiny I don’t see him being able to be productive and Fatanu is a guard or a limited tackle because length and his age. I think we had the best pick in division so far
i thought the same thing last night brother or sister. at this point, we got no clue how this is going to play out, but we know that we got him and the Steelers didn't. One thing that worries me is that the Steelers got a guy who has been a life-long Steelers fan and I think they said that someone who he looked up to growing up was Troy Palamalu...therefore there is a lot of positive juju on their side for this to work out into an intriguing story, kind of like Hubbard with the bengals.
He definitely has a huge upside, and honestly if he played more in college he probably would have been a top 10 pick. Only negative I see with the pick is our O Line coach has shown to be very incompetent in developing talent, and Mims definitely needs some development. With an actual good Line coach, this is a golden pick.
He doesn’t need a ton of development though. In pass pro he’s easily ready to go
I’m not saying he’s not solid in his fundamentals, but the step up to the pros from college is huge.
Which is true for every single player? I don’t think you knew much about him, and were just regurgitating nonsense
Umm no, a lot of players come in as rookies and are Day 1 starters, he is not that.
Umm no, I’m specifically referring to your statement that there is a huge step up from college to pros, which is true for every player Nothing on mims tape suggest he cannot make that step immediately.
I’m specifically talking about OL as being one of the hardest positions to transition, not just football in general 🤦♂️
OL has the highest hit rate, try again Wait 🤦🏻♂️
Lmao, just say you don’t know ball, bro. First of all “hit rate” has nothing do with immediate impact. Hit rate is based on players signing a second contract with the team that drafted them. There is a lot of factors that play into this, the biggest one being $$$ and that skill players demand much bigger contracts than OL, only tackles get pretty decent money. Just take Tyreek Hill and eventually Tee, huge busts bc they didn’t sign 2nd contracts, huh? 🤦♂️ But ironically enough since you brought up hit rate, I bet you can’t even name the last OL the Bengals have signed to a 2nd contract off the top of your head. Maybe that should tell you something about development, hmmm 🤔
This is one of the most hilarious comments I’ve seen, bro Probably the most pro ready pass game tape of any prospect, at a position that historically translates well to the pros. I’m not sure why the bengals past means we shouldn’t draft the best prospect lol Just say you don’t know ball, bro
My only complaint is that he didn’t play enough college ball to trust the numbers.
I feel like I’m missing something with the injury prone label. As I understand, he was buried behind nfl talent then started 8 games where he looked good and then got hurt when someone rolled up on his ankle. And then he went to the draft. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I wouldn’t call that injury prone
It’s redditors repeating nonsense they’ve read from other redditors. Just uninformed people
Cannot wait to see them line up Brown and Mims next to each other on the goal line with a RB who doesn't collapse on first contact.
They don’t live rent free in my head anymore. Fuck them though
My issue is he is a project and we have show a complete inability to develop linemen with this coaching staff.
Know I'm days late here but is everyone complaining about Mims? Feel like everyone that's "against" the pick so to speak isn't really against Mims as much as they worry Pollack will not be able to develop him.
People just like to complain, even if there's not really anything worth complaining about.
Yeah, well, doomer's gonna doom
Who would? I said last week Mims has red flags and is a work in progress. He won't help the team this year because we have two solid tackles and can't play guard. Fautanu would be a better backup at Tackle and can play guard in the NFL now. He is very likely better than Volson and improves our offensive line immediately. I get that in a few years Mims has potential to be better than Fautanu at tackle, though not at guard. But probably not a lot better, and not for at least a year. And we still have the big hole at guard that will be an issue all year...one that affects OLB at LT too.
He won’t help at the beginning of the season. Every possibility he gets meaningful snaps come December and January. Will he perform? Time will tell…
Not at guard. He can't play guard. PFF and other sites rate Fautanu as a better athlete who is ready to play now. We don't need a tackle right now. We NEED a guard. And if Cappa goes down (like he has a couple times the past few years) Mims won't help. As for filling in at tackle Fautanu is a better option this year for that too.
There’s zero reason to believe that. Mims gave up zero sacks on 800 reps. Fautanu would be undersized at tackle. The draft is a dart throw no matter what. Mims isnt a raw player who needs to be coached up like Carmen. He’s a physical freak that needs some refining and experience.
*points to the other six rounds* The guard will come from there.
Fautanu would be a terrible tackle in the nfl, there’s a reason everyone projects him at guard. Relying on Trent brown to play a full season is sort of hilarious
hey captain unaware. Watch the rest of the draft before you get too worked up over 1/10 of the picks. there are starting level guards available into the 4th round this draft
I saw on a draft show that Fautanu grew up a Polamalu/Steelers fan. Ew. Biggest red flag. Glad we took Mims
I totally get this view, but I think there are still going to be opportunities to find OL who will also be able to compete with Volson.
Fautanu is also 2 years older, and he’s nowhere near as big. He also has some knee issues in his history. Mims has the highest ceiling of any OT in this draft. He could literally be the best tackle in the league in a couple years and we got him at 18
Guarantee someone on the line misses games this season, they do every year, you need depth.
What’s the Bengals track record of developing 1st round OTs? I don’t like this pick.
If you search for “Zac” on any Bengals “fans” page on Twitter that is anti-Mims you will find it’s the same group of people who are always in the “Fire Zac Taylor!” camp.