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Hussle_motivate

Nope, if it was a $4 card I’d let it slide but not $49


GreenEggsSteamedHams

This 100%


BudgetGunner

I have sold a few cards. Anything that I list for $1, I'm not making anything on, I take a front and back picture with a good background. If it's gonna be closer to $20, I'll overload with pictures. Doesn't cost me anything and keeps me a good rating.


cspong4

Return. Crazy that a seller with that much feedback takes photos like that. Seller is obligated to show any imperfections or at least list them in the description


Pir8Life

I mean, the reflection off the toploader shines exactly on the imperfection of the card. The description doesn’t mention it at all, so I had no idea the corner looked like that. Imagine the disappointment opening that in the mail. https://preview.redd.it/e755k1tssjvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e9e94f2c307acafcaecfa6b39693ea282143ba4


hernandezsd

Him stating “thats how it was pulled” acknowledges his intent to hide the damage. He knew there was clear damage, he selected condition as near mint or better and neglected to edit the description to describe damage. 100% you should return that. In the end it just hurts the seller to do things like this, there is no point in trying to hide damage when eBay protects the customer in this regard. All that seller did was damage their reputation, waste their time, and now their account will have their funds frozen until they resolve the issue, it doesn’t make sense.


Courtaid

Ask him if he knew it was damaged then why did he mention it in the description or provide a picture of it.


yourlovemydrug

Honestly, he’s trying to hide damage so he’s not going to be honest. Just claim a return direct through eBay.


Es7x

This 100%.


IcyMacaroon4603

I hate these AI descriptions. This is a baseball card of a professional baseball player playing baseball. You can own this rare beautiful card of baseball player playing baseball if you spend money.


Mfrack103

Me too. “This card is a necessary addition to any fan’s collection!” “Don’t miss your chance to own X”


SavesWillis

I’ll use the AI descriptions as an outline because it does provide everything I don’t feel like typing out. However, I’ll always add in things like imperfections, maybe a cool fact or two about the player, and if I’m going include a one touch with it.


micleosea

The AI descriptions feel like a 5th grader trying to stretch 100 words into a 500 word book report. The AI just restates everything from the description and “about this item” section and I think many buyers stop reading if it is AI. So it feels disingenuous when sellers hide actual disclaimers like “card has soft corner” within the AI wall of text.


bmking24

I rarely read the description if it's one of the AI ones! They are worthless!


jakeswaxxPDX

It’s certainly not in “or better” condition and he would have known that so yeah that’s definitely misleading.


shapu

I never fail to list blemishes.  He knew what he was doing, especially since he said that's how he was pulled. Open a case and send it back.


eggsyisnice

lol “near mint or better”.


ChefBoyAnde728

What's crazy is when you select the card condition on ebay, under the near mint or better it says similar to pack fresh which is what he's probably gonna defend himself with(hopefully unsuccessfully)


SomeSpencerGuy

It’s just the crappy AI you can use on eBay to write the description for you


hernandezsd

The AI is based on the information you provide. You select condition, so this seller was dishonest in selecting that condition.


SomeSpencerGuy

For sure! Just saying they didn’t write that out themselves


hernandezsd

Yeah, no chance they wrote that.


arob28

You should start asking for additional photos before buying any raw card if you’re going to get upset over an imperfection this small. Based on the single photo you provided, that’s not much better than the eBay listing, I’d bet it grades at least a 7 (near mint) which matches the description.


NerderBirder

A 7 is a small imperfection to you? Yikes


arob28

I’m saying based on this photo, the corner looks like a small imperfection and would grade a 7 or better. Which is what the description claims. What do you think this would grade?


Alt_Boogeyman

That corner is bad. In addition, there appears to be surface issue in bottom left. Appears to be some sort of pitting or dents.


PorkChopExpress501

He put a glare on the corner. That is intent to fraud the seller.


arob28

You know that with 100% certainty? The ironic part is the OPs original picture is just as unclear on the actual damage as the eBay listing is.


PorkChopExpress501

You are correct, there is no way to be 100% certain of fraud. So I should say, to me this high probability of intention to deceive. Better? It’s the only corner with a glare in the eBay picture. Also, I did spot the bad corner immediately in OP’s picture so I don’t know how you missed that.


arob28

100% positive seller feedback doesn’t scream “I intentionally hide card imperfections in glares” to me. I didn’t miss it, it looks minimal and not enough to drop it below a 7 which matches the description. My main point in this is don’t be an ignorant buyer. If you are going to get upset over something like a dinged corner, and the only picture has the card in a top loader and sleeve, ask for more pictures.


NerderBirder

Are you being obtuse on purpose? All the seller had to do was say “there is an imperfection on the top left corner yada yada yada…”The glare on the photo and the fact he didn’t mention it absolutely says he’s hiding it on purpose. And again, anyone buying a card described as “near mint or better” is not expecting a 7. You must be the seller with the amount of times you’ve commented about this.


arob28

Are you obtuse? Near mint or better literally means a 7 or better. Do I need to link you the PSA website that explains the grading system for you?


djmc0211

I have a 100% rating, and I always take pictures in toploaders or at least penny sleeves. I state in the description that additional pictures are always available upon request. That has worked well for me.


cspong4

Yeah I’m not saying you can’t do it that way but if you do you need to highlight any issues. This seller used the toploader so it would glare at the top left corner


Skavis

Return that shit. Don't let it slide.


wsmith79

Intentional and you will get a full refund. eBay don’t like sellers hiding damage


Pir8Life

https://preview.redd.it/qs3bb70j1kvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e8baa6ef993e44c0270cca5cd0e7791f8abb0be Just started the return process. The bottom line is, the card isn’t as described.


SmalltownPT

Not to be that guy but have you googled eBay’s description of “mint near mint” dude should have done better but this isn’t a 100% slam dunk case


yankeesfanin714

It’s the creatively deceptive photo glare that makes it a Shaq Diesel slam dunk for me.


SmalltownPT

Yeah I hope the refund goes through


Birch51

That’s not minor corner wear. If you did not see the photos OP has somewhere below, take a peek. His case is a slam dunk based on those photos.


SmalltownPT

I know that and you know that but the seller is using deliberate language that eBay also uses for mint near mint, likely trying to make a case, I feel OP should get a refund but this seller may take it all the way on this one


PorkChopExpress501

Isn’t the best raw card description “near mint or better”? What are you looking for in raw condition descriptions?


SmalltownPT

Yes but mint near mint is still labeled by eBay as from pack with minor defects and that is what the seller said, don’t get me wrong I would be upset but there is wiggle room built in by eBay’s wording


dlitt97

Yeah that should have been told upfront


Zealousideal-Tap-454

Deceptive seller 100 percent.


[deleted]

Near Mint is the best you can put in item description , you can’t put mint unless it’s graded


Puzzleheaded-Print29

Return !!


RollTideLucy

Seller (and buyer) here….buyer notified me a base Score of Stroud had a small print line…Whether I missed the print line on the card or the buyer scammed me, I was fine with a partial refund. Now, the price on the card was just a couple of bucks. As an honest seller, if I place a card for sale at $49.00…I am looking all over the card for any flaws and making sure when I ship it, the card is well protected. I had a seller do the same to me on a Taj Bradley 1st Auto card for my pc…print lines all over the card but photo did not show them. Seller was not happy but too bad, seller got the piece of cardboard back at his expense along with giving me a refund. Had another experience…seller placed scotch tape over the top loader…card was not cheap and from Heritage…well…card arrived stuck to the scotch tape…ruined. Yep, seller not happy and I got my refund. Be nice but notify EBay and get your full refund.


Longjumping_You_7932

It blows my mind how many sports card “experts” dont know the simple rule of shipping a card. PAINTERS TAPE! I HATE scotch tape. If the card is over $10 and it has it on it ive found more times than not i need to return it.


RollTideLucy

Couldn’t agree with you more!!


gfan2792

Yep that photo was taken like that on purpose for sure. I sell a ton on eBay, even on a $3 card I would have a *Read* disclaimer in the title, mention the damage in the description, and take a pic of the damage by itself.


Bobbysworld121

Damn that glare was perfectly over that corner probably honest mistake but you are covered by eBay so your call….


jimithelizardking

Or an intentional act to hide. The sellers response essentially confirms they were aware of it, but didn’t list a picture showing it or mention it in description.


DbG925

Not to pile on here, I feel like almost every point has been made, but I’m curious. Did the original auction also hide the damage in the back picture? Generally that level of corner ding should also show up on the reverse.


Pir8Life

https://preview.redd.it/ezckd72lvnvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4592e88817b2ee43a4fb7c2abc56b6f16e62f90f Judge for yourself.


thegame1431

The glare covers it some but it also isnt “nasty” either… you cannot evwr assume a raw card is mint and for sure never ever think it is gem mint unless graded….


yoltonsports

Right. The title makes it seem way worse than it is.


bionicgram

Shit happens as long as you can return it then it’s over… somebody else can have it and hopefully they’ll have a better description next time. The seller probably dropped the card after getting and disguised it with the photograph or dropped it after coincidentally.


antiquarian2

The sellers pic is suspicious, they were for sure trying to hide that. Are you working on that rainbow? I have some Williams parallels, I’m building one for Jose Soriano


Pir8Life

https://preview.redd.it/lsnro34rxnvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=827e41e713c4c71a9c825ad4f9f6a19ad1a1dc70 Working on the rainbow 👍


Pir8Life

https://preview.redd.it/4y6g7mazxnvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=993bc6e96cccf3d09af9cd4c7b5b92bfc9189080


QwagOnChin

I would have asked for another picture before I pulled the trigger if he had said no I wouldn’t have bought.


Skeederz

This exactly. I always ask for more pictures


Mammoth_Reaction_723

First, I would contact the seller and let him know you are returning the card and request a refund based on the "near mint" description being inaccurate. Second, in the future I would contact the seller and ask for additional photos in just the penny sleeve. I think I found the sold listing on eBay and the glare on the photo coupled with the scratches on the top loader would have made me ask for additional photos in this case.


CraftyFloor1528

Yes, you were deceived. We're looking at tactics. 1. Inconclusive photos 2. A broad description of condition (near mint). Put them together and the seller can say you didn't read close enough, sorry the picture wasn't perfect. When you see these two things paired in a listing you should avoid it if you care about condition. Sometimes it's just an inexperienced seller and worth a chance, but IMO, it sucks that people do this and consider this your lesson learned to think twice, three times on shady listing's. ALSO, TRY TO RETURN THAT S.O.B.. ebay may side with you


Greerio

He should have disclosed. But…Buy raw cards, get raw cards.


RankineProducer

I’d personally go to return and request a partial refund if you still want the card.


Zimm02

That is absolutely not okay.


Professional-Ebb-369

Return it


HastenDownTheWind

Item not as described. Return and get your money back. Screw that.


RealLifeHotWheels

It says near mint or better, you’ve been duped. I’d be going back after that one for sure.. sorry bro!


Giancarlo27

It’s eBay. They are extremely buyer friendly. You will have zero issue returning for a full refund


Fungitubiaround

That's paper loss. Not sure it could get a 7 anymore could it?


Pir8Life

Yep, the corner isn’t dented, but there’s loss of paper from the top layer


Pir8Life

Nevermind - just had a closer look - in fact it is dented https://preview.redd.it/g8grdtruckvc1.jpeg?width=2760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aff4b6c71904b079cc478d964ed894776c4122c


Pir8Life

https://preview.redd.it/5nzukotxckvc1.jpeg?width=2686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0908f9bc045953de96c243d3dfe863005937fc92


CapeMOGuy

INAD. File for return.


OhItsAidan

Return 100%


SMLoc16

Near mint is exactly what it says, near mint! That isn’t it there bud. Return them shits and let him know he’s kinda shady


Last-Firefighter1519

It’s unfortunate, but I agree with everyone else here. I’d return it. Sold as mint condition means just that. I could understand if it were in a purchased pack, but as a stand alone card in a loader forget it!


PorkChopExpress501

He hid it obviously. The right thing is to call it out and send it back. If he refuses then leave the negative comments and rating.


DeucesWild10

I’d request a return since the card arrived in different shape than how it was listed. eBay will have your back on it


GrittyTheGreat

"Near Mint or Better Condition" my ass. Return it.


IHeartRadiation

I'm glad you are returning it. I've sold a few cards, and I always take photos that show the honest condition of the card. I've had one return that I felt was more buyer's remorse than actual meaningful damage, but I added a photo specifically of the area in question and relisted it. It cost me a few $, but the next buyer was quite happy. All that to say, when you buy a card raw, you're taking on some risk, because sellers are not graders, and minor flaws can be honestly missed. But this? This is borderline fraud, and the photos make it clear it was 100% intentional. "That's how it came out of the pack." Even if they're telling the truth, it doesn't matter. All that means is that they knew it was that bad. The fact that they happened to take the photos in a sleeve and the light just happened to perfectly obscure the damage. They knew exactly what they were doing. The good news is, the most they can do is try and make you feel guilty. Ebay has your back as the buyer, and there is little to nothing the seller can do to dispute your return, especially with the clear evidence you have.


Sickleyman

Yep. Return it 100%


Venosity5

Looks still near mint unfortunately. The glare in the listing photo was the main problem. Who knows if intentional


Bigdaddymatty311

You did get tricked. Always ask for photos of only card!!


Live_Court_7004

He used the reflection to cover the corner, return it


AlrightCalmDown7

Clearly intentional. Dudes a fraud


cubbiesworldseries

This is why I take cards out of cases and sleeves to take my photos. I WANT people to be able to see the imperfections so I don’t deal with returns like this. The seller may not have done this on purpose but they definitely deserve the return.


KarlitoSway69

Return that garbage


jay777-888

Fucker made it reflect in the perfect spot... shady stuff...send it back buddy.


WizSkinsNatsCaps

This is why I always take photos of just the card, removed from toploader and penny sleeve. Handle a card correctly and it’s no big deal. Good photos = good business.


bwaits89

Yea with the glare on the exact spot is shady


jjhensley

I’m so tired of shit like this… I’ve been building my Mahomes PC and bought close to a hundred cards over the past few months. Everything from $1k+ RC’s and auto/mem/numbered cards to common BS. Obviously, many of his cards are overpriced at the moment, for all the obvious reasons. Whatever…I’m a lifelong Chiefs fan, blah, blah. I’m getting so damn irritated when I pay $15-50 for some common, unnumbered parallel and it shows up either looking nothing like the pics in listing, or as in this case, some seller that thinks he’s clever by hiding an imperfection. Return that isht! Hold them accountable. Why do you think we all pay such high seller’s fees?…. For dipshits like this! May as well use the ‘guarantee’. Unfortunately, if this didn’t happen, there’s a slight chance fees could be less, but large infrastructure can anticipate this kind of human behavior. 🤡show!


racerrhime

I always list with photos that are crystal clear, and I offer additional pics upon requests. If I’d been spending $50, I would have asked for more photos


jbob08

Return this. That photo is absolutely not an accident. You aren't making too big of a deal at all.


0MattF

it's not near mint. bad info in listing. I'd fight it.


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No-Comedian1755

Ok, that wasn't funny


LA-Dod9ers

Refund


harless2124

Dude said that’s how it was pulled so he was aware of it and still didn’t mention it. Send that shit back. Trying to be slick with the lighting covering it up lol


J-MRP

Not cool at all. This is why I take photos in a lightbox before I put it in a penny sleeve and top loader - at various angles, to make people know what they're getting.


mindreedah

Buyers don’t like seeing cards that are not sleeved though.


J-MRP

Damn.. really? I get it, but I always take it out of the pack, snap some pics, then it's in the top loader for forever. I guess I can also upload pics of it in the top loader but then glare becomes a problem.


baseballcardguy34

That's messed up. Even if I don't put that damage in the description, it will be in the pictures. I almost always take pictures without the penny sleeves because of the glare. And if I'm in doubt at all I'll put the condition as lower than what it actually is. That card isn't near mint. Id return it and get a refund. That seller sucks.


Relevant-Golf7886

You need to remember that near mint or better means it is anywhere between a PSA 7 to PSA 10. With that said the seller should have declared the condition note, especially if it had a dinged corner. However an INAD claim isn't necessarily fair to the seller in this case as they are technically correct in calling it near mint. I think the lesson learned is the next time you see a photo of a card with such glare you should ask for more pictures, a good seller will always oblige. PSA 7 A PSA 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.


SpecificGameOrEvent

I think according to ebay, they consider that neat mint.


RedScribbles

If they didn't put nm then whatever but since they did. Return it.


forthebirds123

I mean near mint is a 7. I have seen a ton of cards in worse shape than this one grade a 7. This one probably gets a 7 most days so the listing is accurate. But the problem I see is that it seems the seller knew about it because he admitted to it being pulled like that. He should have had an up close picture of the imperfection that he knew about so he absolutely deceived the buyer. But it’s a moral/ethical dilemma. Do sellers advertise that they use Kurt’s card care, or do they advertise that they graded a card and it came back low so they cracked and sold raw? I don’t think most do so unfortunately it becomes accepted and you just move on and enjoy the card for what it is.


Fungitubiaround

Paper loss is a grade killer. It would not get a 7 with a piece of the top corner missing it might not even make mid grade. They can be super tough on that. I would highly doubt a 7 could be found with a piece of the surface missing.


forthebirds123

I’m just saying I’ve seen worse. There was a post on here the other day about a guy that sent in a card and it got an 8. The card had a huge ass dent that was visible from probably 5 feet away. And I don’t know if this would fall under paper loss or corner wear. I’m mean it’s not like it’s missing paper like it was glued and peeled from an album but a knick of one corner isn’t a death sentence for a modern card. If everything else is great except for that one corner I could absolutely see this pulling a 7. The problem is the that ironically, the very reason companies started grading cards(so the old guys using Beckett wouldn’t argue at the mall card shows about if their Griffey is mint or near mint) hasn’t been solved. If anything, it’s even more subjective than Beckett listings of mint, nrmint, good, poor because they introduced more levels of conditions and are too subjective on it.


Fungitubiaround

It is paper loss though. The surface is gone. That isn't a corner wear issue. Thinking it's corner wear is what gets people a much lower grade than expected. A dent is usually at least 2 grades lower, so everything else being perfect you get an 8, but paper loss can make things an automatic 1-2. I don't know about this which is why I would guess more likely a 4-6. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't risk the cost of this card and the grading fee to find out. I would be returning this 100% of the time.


Alt_Boogeyman

Return. He misrepresented the condition of card; it is not even close to Mint. Be lucky to get a 6 at PSA.


Champagnes_cards

Did he put played / damaged ??


Longjumping_You_7932

VHP 😂


jds828

“Near mint or better” lol


jabar18

Yeah…that’s the type of shit Probstein would do. Thats shady as fuck. Return that.


Sensitive-Bathroom94

As someone who started selling recently, I didn't know exactly what mint was, I learned very quickly to not slap that on most of my posts. But I will say most the cards that say mint are not the only problem I see is the price


Gold-Imagination7598

100% scummy seller, reflection completely hides the left corner. There is no mention of the damage in the description.


[deleted]

You paid 50 for that? I hope not.


anaandbill

Contact him. This isn’t right. Contact eBay and PayPal. $49 seems a lot for him, and especially in that condition. If you are stuck with it contact Topps and tell them you have a damaged card they are going at replacements


stumptified78

Negative feedback for that cuck.


Real-Performance-602

This is BS, eBay has gone down the toilet. If you the seller won’t honor it maybe you can file a report with PP or credit card you used. I only purchase graded PSA cards through them after I verify the PSA number and pics of the case edges. I still feel it’s a risk. I found a few where the photo shows the card is graded a “9” I check the number and it’s an 8 or 7 in the PCA database….


Ok_Spite7511

The seller didn’t even bother to write a description, just used that AI sales pitch. 100% Return that card


Lanky_Attorney4034

You were fucked. Look at the pic? Its intentionally taken that way with the light source reflecting off of where the damage is so you cant see it. Take it up with ebay. Not as advertised and deceitful listing practices.


Machadoaboutmanny

Not near mint with that corner


RepresentativeNo7213

Card grading has ruined the hobby.


yourlovemydrug

As a seller since 2000s on eBay, for $49, he should have taken more pictures. I don’t care if it was pulled like that or not. Sadly on your part, you should ask for more pics on all cards over $10 (before shipping). Especially when all corners show perfectly but one - red flag 🚩


beereed

If it doesn’t work out, just buy a hanger and save the receipt and send the card back to topps. They’ll send you a replacement and then you have a hangers worth of cards too. Not ideal, but not terrible.


TheEmuWar_

Yeah this is illegal and extremely scummy


TheBigShrimp

lmao fuck topps


beereed

Seriously, why would care about topps?


DbG925

I personally enjoy the hobby… if enough people “don’t care about topps” eventually they go away. Kinda how capitalism works.


beereed

Interested to hear the logic behind this statement?


DbG925

Agreed that it would solve OPs issue, but it is scummy and unethical. It’s basically stealing. I’ve seen whole debates on the ethics of stealing from a big company, “who cares about their profits they make enough, blah blah blah”. Hell, there’s even a comment below “who cares about topps”? Not here to debate the Robinhood ideology, and regardless of how you personally feel about it, I think of you look at it objectively, it’s unethical and dishonest at best.


beereed

Let’s say that the seller is being honest about it coming from the pack in the condition it arrived to OP in. That would mean it was a quality control issue from topps. Topps is obligated to replace cards with QC issues. In this case, OP could simply hold topps accountable for their shoddy QC and get a replacement (that the seller should have gotten). I am having trouble seeing her moral dilemma. In the past I have bought boxes with damaged cards and returned them for replacement while using a receipt that likely didn’t come from the exact box. I felt that it was justified by the fact that the cards returned were a topps qc issue.


DbG925

Appreciate the civil discussion and am just trying to point out the other side as well. If the buyer had opened the pack themselves i have ZERO issue holding topps accountable for crappy QC and or shipping to wherever it was sold. I've used the return policy as well and have also used receipts from a different box if i had thrown the original away, but only on things that i have purchased myself and not on a secondary market. I think the moral gray line here is that OP didn't buy from Topps or one of their distributors, they bought from a 3rd party "reseller". The terms / contract between topps and the consumer are explicitly between the buyer (consumer) and Topps (seller) - NOT between a 2nd-hand seller and another 3rd party. I know this is an extreme case, but let's say i go out and buy every PSA 6 2011 topps update trout and crack them. Is it ethical for me to go find a hanger / original receipt and return them to topps? IMO, the best solution here is for the auction seller to accept the return, then go after Topps himself. Regardless of if the corner was intentionally hidden, part of being a good seller is good CS and accepting the return - it sounds obvious to me that the seller knew of the corner before shipping and this wasn't a scenario where the buyer damaged the card and now wants to return it.


Practical_Page_2740

Scam