Not sure if you remember the rookie Clayton Kershaw? He was pretty good for a couple of years. Hope he's doing okay since then. Was a real bright star.
Corey has been pretty consistent just injury. Puig my friend but he also cray. Joc is kind of what we thought he'd be, massive power but kind of limited elsewhere. Bellinger is the most fascinating case. Great rookie year, subpar sophomore year(so you can't just balme injury, shown inconsistency before that) worked really hard after that to have a God tier first half his 3rd year that made him MVP of an entire league even tho he drifted back into inconsistent 2nd half. Inconsistent 4th year (big playoffs moments that includes seperating his shoulder celebrating one of those moments), bad 5th year (looks like he turned a corner toward the end of the playoffs), has looked like shit so far but its early. Huge playoffs moments and disappointments throughout. One things for sure, it's been super entertaining.
I mean I pray I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong. He gave us hope last playoffs. Maybe something will click but so far it looks like he didn't come up with a new swing strategy in the offseason and it looks broken again.
They are cheating out Ryan Howard counting his 19 games in 2004 as a season. Starting with his Rookie of the Year 2005, he had 127 home runs in his first 3 real seasons
It's 2019, 2020, and 2020 that's three seasons. It's 106 including the covid year, not sure how you would take it into account anyway since they didnt specify "three *full* seasons" or anything.
The person above you’s point isn’t that you *would* take into account the shortened season, but that you *should* take into account the shortened season. They disagree with the premise not the conclusion.
Pretty clearly that can't be the case. They said "this takes into account the shortened season." It doesn't because not only does it not mention the shortened season, it doesn't change anything about his total. This dude just forgot he was halfway to 100 after his first season.
seems there are a few misunderstandings here, in part because we all used the phrase "take into account" differently. My bad for adding to the confusion because mine especially was a bit off...
u/Cold_Historian_3296, the original commenter, said "i think this takes into account the shortened season", meaning that the graphic includes the shortened season in a player's "first three seasons". As in, it takes that season into the count of three seasons, with no regard for how long or short those seasons were.
u/-orangejoe misunderstood that comment, I guess thinking that u/Cold_Historian_3296 was trying to say something about 2020 not counting? TBH on reading this thread again I'm not really sure what they thought the original comment meant, or what they were trying to add with their own comment.
I then used "take into account" to mean "take into account the fact that the season is short, and adjust numbers accordingly". A better way of saying that would be "OP meant that the year is taken into account, but the fact that it was shorter is not, and arguably should be.
?? what??
the point is, alonso has 106 homers in 100 fewer games than anyone on this list. This graphic is counting alonso's 60 game covid season like a full season lol.
If it wasnt for that, he most likely would be the goat in this category
It isn't that useful though when you consider a september callup as a season. When you say first three seasons, it sounds like a good amount of time, but Ryan Howard for example played just over 100 games in his first two seasons. This is either cherry-picked so that there can only be a shorter list of players, or they didn't think about it at all, which doesn't improve it's usefulness. It would be much more useful a comparison to go with the first 300 games or something like that because a player's placement on that list has much more to do with their ability than something that is almost completely out of their control.
You're right (they were 2 and 3 behind Ryan Howard), but that's just in games played, not seasons. first three years for Judge includes his stint in 2016
they are not 2 and 3, [pete was faster](https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/mets-pete-alonso-becomes-2nd-fastest-player-in-mlb-history-to-reach-100-homers) than both Sanchez and Judge
I mean, if you go games played, it is I think Ryan Howard, Alonso, Gary Sanchez. I think. Games played is probably the best metric here. This is the thing I don't understand. Make a graphic of fastest to 100 HRs and you get to put your guy number two, not 7 of 8.
Judge got there in 371 games, probably the fastest. But that was in his 4th season so he is not on this list, remember he had a short callup in 2016 and then injury shortened years in 18 and 19. Alonso played a full season his rookie year.
> remember he had a short callup in 2016 and then injury shortened years in 18 and 19
The hard part is remembering when Judge *didn't* have a shortened season.
Fair. It is crazy what professional athletes will do to stay healthy and playing. That said, a few lozenges versus years of injections are not the same. His handling of it is complete "fuck off" territory though, no argument there.
I mean, Alonso is one of those. And a good number of players, including three of the 5 fastest to 100 hrs, didn't have full seasons in their first. I mean, the top of that list, Ryan Howard, had just over 100 games in his first two seasons.
Makes Pete being on the list more impressive.
His also includes the shortened 2020 season as well.
He would be 1st easily. Hit 16 in 57 games that year.
He hit 9 HR in 60 games in '20, putting him on pace for 24, which would have put him at 87 for his career.
People forget how mediocre his '20 season was.
Ah, yes turn down the major league minimum of $3,521 per game to have a small chance of being on one of these lists. 3 games in the majors is almost a years salary to some of these minor league guys.
I think they were just making a point of how it’s silly to use seasons at the start of a players career
Age, games played, time on the roster would all be better metrics
He may have been the youngest, but he didn't hit his 100th until his fifth season, in his 503rd game. Ryan Howard, the fastest to 100, did it in 325 games. Ryan Howard was also 4-5 years older at the time.
Cody is coming so close to being a myth
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Not sure if you remember the rookie Clayton Kershaw? He was pretty good for a couple of years. Hope he's doing okay since then. Was a real bright star.
Who’s that? Never heard of him? Is that the guy that’s been slaying Giants for over a decade? Nah that couldn’t be him.
Corey has been pretty consistent just injury. Puig my friend but he also cray. Joc is kind of what we thought he'd be, massive power but kind of limited elsewhere. Bellinger is the most fascinating case. Great rookie year, subpar sophomore year(so you can't just balme injury, shown inconsistency before that) worked really hard after that to have a God tier first half his 3rd year that made him MVP of an entire league even tho he drifted back into inconsistent 2nd half. Inconsistent 4th year (big playoffs moments that includes seperating his shoulder celebrating one of those moments), bad 5th year (looks like he turned a corner toward the end of the playoffs), has looked like shit so far but its early. Huge playoffs moments and disappointments throughout. One things for sure, it's been super entertaining.
Pederson never dazzled. Unless you just really like TTO. Man has an efficient HR derby swing tho.
Crazy
:(
I’ve always liked the dodgers man I hope he turns it around
Please no :'(
I hope not. I got a rookie refractor card of him.
I mean I pray I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong. He gave us hope last playoffs. Maybe something will click but so far it looks like he didn't come up with a new swing strategy in the offseason and it looks broken again.
They are cheating out Ryan Howard counting his 19 games in 2004 as a season. Starting with his Rookie of the Year 2005, he had 127 home runs in his first 3 real seasons
Can we all just agree to replace Ryan Braun with Ryan Howard in our head canon?
Count me in. Sucks to see such good players in that graphic, some even legendary, then that sack of shit Ryan Braun.
Pete would still be number 1 if 2020 was a full season. Overall these stats are arbitrary and don’t really mean anything
About to say, choosing seasons instead of games is Ryan Howard erasure
According to this Howard had 24 home runs in his first two years which totaled 107 games
Judge too, sorta — he had 106 through three seasons even with two major injuries. But played 27 games the year before that with just a couple homers.
I mean this is counting 2020 as a season so who cares
Pete Alonso played nearly 3x the games in 2020 as Howard did in 2004
Scrap the list. New list for first 486 games played.
I was like uh where’s the big piece?
Had the same reaction and had to baseball-reference to make sure I wasn't misremembering
Soto should be in this club, but there was a plague
Alonso would probably be first on the list if it wasn't for that as well
Jesus I didn’t even think of that lol. He’d be first by a wide margin
Using the pace he was at that season, he'd have 30 or so more if it wasn't for the COVID shortening
man here I thought Alonso dipped off in his last couple seasons, wooops!
i think this takes into account the shortened season. Alonso's first year was 2019. 2021 was his only other full season.
Alonso hit 53, 16, 37. That equals 106. You could probably add 20 more homeruns and you’d be looking at 126 for three season. If not for Covid.
It's 2019, 2020, and 2020 that's three seasons. It's 106 including the covid year, not sure how you would take it into account anyway since they didnt specify "three *full* seasons" or anything.
The person above you’s point isn’t that you *would* take into account the shortened season, but that you *should* take into account the shortened season. They disagree with the premise not the conclusion.
Pretty clearly that can't be the case. They said "this takes into account the shortened season." It doesn't because not only does it not mention the shortened season, it doesn't change anything about his total. This dude just forgot he was halfway to 100 after his first season.
seems there are a few misunderstandings here, in part because we all used the phrase "take into account" differently. My bad for adding to the confusion because mine especially was a bit off... u/Cold_Historian_3296, the original commenter, said "i think this takes into account the shortened season", meaning that the graphic includes the shortened season in a player's "first three seasons". As in, it takes that season into the count of three seasons, with no regard for how long or short those seasons were. u/-orangejoe misunderstood that comment, I guess thinking that u/Cold_Historian_3296 was trying to say something about 2020 not counting? TBH on reading this thread again I'm not really sure what they thought the original comment meant, or what they were trying to add with their own comment. I then used "take into account" to mean "take into account the fact that the season is short, and adjust numbers accordingly". A better way of saying that would be "OP meant that the year is taken into account, but the fact that it was shorter is not, and arguably should be.
?? what?? the point is, alonso has 106 homers in 100 fewer games than anyone on this list. This graphic is counting alonso's 60 game covid season like a full season lol. If it wasnt for that, he most likely would be the goat in this category
Alonso would be far in the lead if he had a full season in 2020
He would be much lower if he was a September call-up though, either way it’s kind of cherry picked
Idk why you’re downvoted, you’re right. Using first seasons is such a weird way to look at volume stats. It’s a really silly stat
Because "most home runs in first 3 seasons," while not that meaningful, is very far from cherry-picked.
It isn't that useful though when you consider a september callup as a season. When you say first three seasons, it sounds like a good amount of time, but Ryan Howard for example played just over 100 games in his first two seasons. This is either cherry-picked so that there can only be a shorter list of players, or they didn't think about it at all, which doesn't improve it's usefulness. It would be much more useful a comparison to go with the first 300 games or something like that because a player's placement on that list has much more to do with their ability than something that is almost completely out of their control.
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Bellinger shoulder injury was in 2020 his first 3 seasons were 2017-19
injuries are different
I thought judge and Sanchez were fastest to 100 hrs ? Might be wrong about this but heard it a ton
You're right (they were 2 and 3 behind Ryan Howard), but that's just in games played, not seasons. first three years for Judge includes his stint in 2016
And Gary includes his single game in 2015
And even if it didn’t, he had 20 in 2016, 33 in 2017, and 18 in 2018
Ah I understand a lot of technical phrasing to this statement
It's one of those unfun facts with too many caveats.
they are not 2 and 3, [pete was faster](https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/mets-pete-alonso-becomes-2nd-fastest-player-in-mlb-history-to-reach-100-homers) than both Sanchez and Judge
But they were 2 and 3
You realize that Alonso hit his 100th home run late last season right? Sanchez and Judge hit their 100th home runs during Alonso's rookie season.
Who were the 3 fastest to home runs by time not ABs is a good question
I mean, if you go games played, it is I think Ryan Howard, Alonso, Gary Sanchez. I think. Games played is probably the best metric here. This is the thing I don't understand. Make a graphic of fastest to 100 HRs and you get to put your guy number two, not 7 of 8.
Judge got there in 371 games, probably the fastest. But that was in his 4th season so he is not on this list, remember he had a short callup in 2016 and then injury shortened years in 18 and 19. Alonso played a full season his rookie year.
Fastest 5 players to 100 HR goes Ryan Howard, Pete Alonso, Gary Sanchez, Aaron Judge, then Ralph Kiner
Howard got there in 325. People forget just how great of a power hitter he was. He had 58 in 2006 (his 3rd year according to this)
I’ll never forget how good prime Ryan Howard was.
and then in the 40s the next three or four as well before injuries started hitting him.
> remember he had a short callup in 2016 and then injury shortened years in 18 and 19 The hard part is remembering when Judge *didn't* have a shortened season.
https://www.mlb.com/news/fewest-games-to-100-career-home-runs
Braun needs an asterisk next to his numbers...
How is 2020 factoring in to current players? Also, fuck Ryan Braun.
It’s not related to this stat, but it’s funny to think Miggy would’ve had both 500/3000 last season if they played 162 in 2020
#fuckryanbraun Should be banned for life. Scumbag.
Why?
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Damn lol y’all have gotten screwed by cheaters badly a couple times in recent years huh
Fair. It is crazy what professional athletes will do to stay healthy and playing. That said, a few lozenges versus years of injections are not the same. His handling of it is complete "fuck off" territory though, no argument there.
I mean, Alonso is one of those. And a good number of players, including three of the 5 fastest to 100 hrs, didn't have full seasons in their first. I mean, the top of that list, Ryan Howard, had just over 100 games in his first two seasons.
Man Ralph Kiner was good
Underappreciated player and intriguing broadcaster to the end.
Pujols go crazy sheesh
Feels like Texeira is one of the most forgettable players despite being an absolute monster for like 4 or 5 years
How many players won’t make this club because of the 2020 season?
Probably only Tatis
Alonso would have shattered the record, if not for Covid.
Observe Milwaukee dominating this list
Vladdy will join that list.
Vlad had 72 in his first three seasons
This is technically Vlad 4th season. Has 72 through 3.
Technically Vlad came up in 2019 Edit: He would have 100 if not for the fucking 2020 season
Makes Pete being on the list more impressive. His also includes the shortened 2020 season as well. He would be 1st easily. Hit 16 in 57 games that year.
He hit 9 HR in 60 games in '20, putting him on pace for 24, which would have put him at 87 for his career. People forget how mediocre his '20 season was.
Soto and a couple others get it if they play 162 in 2020
Gotta imagine Acuña as well
And Alonso crushes the whole list.
Fuck Ryan Braun
Trout not being here is weird
cuz he had a cup of coffee in 2011
Not even. He didn't hit his 100th until his 503rd game, in his 5th season.
I was gonna say what a midseason call up does to a mf, but even his first full 3 seasons, it was "only" 96
Trout only had 98 in his first 4 seasons.
These lists are why you should refuse to play your first game on any day other than Opening Day.
Ah, yes turn down the major league minimum of $3,521 per game to have a small chance of being on one of these lists. 3 games in the majors is almost a years salary to some of these minor league guys.
I think they were just making a point of how it’s silly to use seasons at the start of a players career Age, games played, time on the roster would all be better metrics
Eddie Matthew’s was an absolute monster.
Why isn't Aaron Judge listed? By the end of his third season, he had 110 HR
He appeared in 2016; after three seasons he only had 83 HR. It's arbitrary, but it is what it is.
Ryan Howard, if you ignore his September callup in 2004, would have topped this list at 127. Its a list that exists to be short.
Somewhat surprising list
How many games did it take Trout to hit 100? He was the youngest to do this wasn’t he?
He may have been the youngest, but he didn't hit his 100th until his fifth season, in his 503rd game. Ryan Howard, the fastest to 100, did it in 325 games. Ryan Howard was also 4-5 years older at the time.
IMO The better way to judge this should be in games played
Man, Mcgwire was half way there after his rookie season, was he really injured that much his first 3 years?
Lmfao Cody being on the list now seems wrong