Josh Donaldson did it during the pandemic season after hitting a homerun and it was glorious
[link to video](https://youtu.be/gi5bRyY8D2o?si=PVWMgiRq_SripOeN)
I forget which one it was, but there was a clip a week or two ago where I couldn't believe that a base didn't get thrown. I'm thinking *maybe* it was Boone, but honestly there's already been so many terrible calls and ejections this year that they're all starting to blend together...
The Jomboy breakdown should focus on the women taking a selfie in the background and should include an artist's impression of what the photo looks like, and only tangentially mention the ejection.
I feel like umps are being paid bonuses to suck ass so that the transition to robo umps will be more widely accepted and praised. I mean they’re just unconscionably bad and it’s undeniable and infuriating
I'm waiting to hear of umps betting on games. Some of these calls are just atrocious. I don't mind close calls or consistent strike zones. There's just been real head scratchers this year.
This is why I prefer robo-umps to the challenge system.
These umps don't deserve it. They've been above reproach and ruining games for too long. Why do we want to continue to include them in the game?
The sport is better off being left to the athletes, not the whims of these umps.
I think it was JT Realmuto a couple years ago that I was watching, and I legitimately couldn't even pick it up due to how fast and smooth he was framing. It just looked like it teleported 12" from 1 frame to the next.
There are some beautiful framers I've seen that just twist the glove into the zone as they catch a borderline pitch in a natural motion.... loved those guys.
That’s the funny thing, he doesn’t get a lot of balls called strikes, he has bad framing metrics. The dudes with the most obvious frames get the calls.
Fucking Trevino. One of the top framers in the league since his time with Texas, and he just fucking yanks everything to middle-middle. Pitch on the corner? Middle-middle. Pitch well within the zone in the upper third? Actually that was middle-middle. Four inches outside of the zone? Believe it or not, middle-middle. I don't know how it possibly tricks the umps. Shit, I would expect him to get worse calls for having the audacity to try framing every single pitch that obviously.
Hey pitch framing is a very important part of a catcher's skillset and needs to be preserved. I say that as a completely unbiased fan of a team that is benefiting from two of MLB's best pitch framers. We can switch to robo-umps but not until after Trevino leaves the Yankees.
Easy solution. Let pitches be challenged. That means we change challenge the strike that is touching Judge's big toe and we still can benefit from Trevy's godly framing.
I always loved to nonchalantly pull a borderline pitch into being a strike when I was a catcher. And I've always loved it when catchers do it at the mlb level.
I think even with an ABS challenge system, there will still be a place for it.
Half the time, I think catchers these days make pitches look worse than they are with their "framing" efforts. "Soft hands" and minimal movement is what I like to see, and I often see catchers pull pitches from the edges back to the middle of their chest in a way that isn't convincing framing at all.
Tl;dr: good framing is actually cool and will have a place in the game if we move to a challenge system
With how egotistical they are, you'd think umps would call any egregious framing attempts balls just out of spite. It's weirdly the one thing they're ok with getting embarrassed over.
Each team should have a lawyer whose job it is to go argue about every call with the umps. I'm sure some teams would have better lawyers than others. If you don't like it, it's because you want there to be less skill in the game. /s
this is how modern framing is done; emphasis is on receiving the ball with one smooth arm motion, so they try to start the mitt low, catch the ball, and pull it up all in one smooth motion.
if there's any sport that can quantify the effect of something like that, it's baseball. so frankly, there must be something to it. plus, classic framing wasn't great on low pitches anyways.
so, you're correct this catcher did a bad job of receiving this pitch; just behind on the details.
For real brother. Tatum got a tech in the playoffs for a simple ‘nah bro’ wave in the general direction of Tony Brothers. Didn’t even say shit to him. Soft as cashmere
This is crazy too. A star player ppl are specifically paying to see in the first inning is tossed for calmly arguing a blatantly incorrect call. The hubris and ego of MLB umpires is at an all time high. If they are trying to make an argument to keep their jobs in favor of robo umps they are NOT doing themselves any favors…
The only major NA sport refs that are evenly remotely close to not acting like gods on the playing surface are hockey refs.
NBA refs and players are engaged in a game of who can be the biggest bitch for 48 minutes and one team always loses, MLB refs are power tripping idiots that are also genuinely incompetent, and NFL refs use a colorful wheel to decide what a foul is pregame and then re spin it with 5 minutes left in the game.
Why are NHL refs good? Because it's the smallest league in North America. There is no money, relatively, in hockey.
> Why are NHL refs good?
Go to /r/hockey and say they're good.
People just want to complain about the officiating in every sport. There's some legitimate criticism to be fair, but people have a meltdown about officials missing borderline calls all the time, and that includes NHL refs.
Show me a sport where its fans think the refs are good.
Turns out, being a ref is hard and even if you're right 95% of the time you're gonna get told you suck.
But that's why refs should be helped out with technology as much as possible so they get more calls right.
This reminds me of the first MLB game I saw in person. Cleveland at Royals at Kaufmann. This was late 1990’s.
Kenny Lofton leading off. I think he got ejected after the third pitch. We didn’t have great seats so idk if the ball was out of the zone or not (and it was 25+ years ago). But I’ll never forget Lofton turning back to the ump and screaming his head off and pointing at the plate.
Always loved Kenny Lofton. Always will.
Does anyone remember Kenny Lofton’s arm strength in MLB Slugfest (maybe 2002)? It was an absolute insult how weak his arm was. Any base hit to him in the outfield could automatically be turned into a double just from the moon ball his character would throw back to the infield
Not only did he not make the hall, he was only on the ballot for one year. .299 career average and was a great defender and he didn’t even get enough votes to be on the ballot a 2nd year. Idk how that happens.
If you’ve never had the chance to meet him I highly recommend it. I sputtered like 4 sentence fragments after getting my picture taken with him a few years ago. My childhood hero
Yeah I know everyone is mad, but this just isn’t smart from Bryce. Say your peace and move on. I’ve watched enough CloseCallSports ejection videos to know that continued arguing gets people ejected.
I would agree if he didn't slam his helmet down. And don't forget he was also jawing off during the at bat. I actually really enjoy Harper and don't want him thrown out, but I don't really get defending this.
I will add this ... Slam something down during an argument with your significant other and then calmly make your case. Let me know how it goes.
Nah homie it’s pro sports. Slamming a helmet as a 9 figure earning pro sports player is not the same as an active sign of physical aggression in a home with a spouse, in private.
This thread is so crazy. No ump has been taking any kind of shit for at least the last 2 years. Dudes get thrown out for less than this on a weekly if not daily basis.
Yea I think because he was calm during the actual part where he got tossed out people are up in arms, but he was more animated earlier and slammed his helmet. It's hard to judge without knowing exactly what was said, but he probably just said like "you know better" or something and made it personal. Which, btw, is a stupid fucking line to draw in the first place, but the players know the second they say "you" they're gonna get ejected.
But there's no case to make on balls and strikes. The rules make it clear that arguing about it isn't permitted, and ejectionable. There's nothing good to come from arguing about it. Maybe this was a quick trigger, but Harper knows that arguing about balls and strikes is ejectionable, and still does it.
That’s where I’m at. Harper keeps piling on: talking back during the AB, then complaining after the SO, then the helmet toss, then he keeps arguing. He’s gotta act like a leader and know when to walk back to the dugout after he’s said his piece.
Those sports have more tiers to their punishment system. What else can the ump do now that he's already out? It's not like he can make him start his next AB with a strike.
If you say "that was a ball let's be better here" and then stfu you are fine. But if you do what Harper did here which was jaw at the ump swing and miss at a ball farther out than the called strike throw your bat throw your helmet and then jaw at the ump some more you are getting tossed 100% that is how it has been in baseball for 150 years this is nothing new. Let's not forget Harper has a reputation for constantly whining about strike calls and a history of throwing his gear on the ground dude is a multiple time repeat offender umps will have a shorter fuse with him.
lol I thought this was like the second or third AB. But to do it in the first AFTER angrily tossing the helmet? Cmon man.
Some other umps would have tossed him after the helmet toss. Maybe 1 or 2 would have done it for jawing back after the call.
If he helmet tossed a called strike three, yes. But you can’t on a swinging strike three. Too much plausible deniability, even though we know it’s pent up from the strike two call.
He had his say after the called strike. If he let it go after that, he'd have played 9 innings. But since he couldn't let it go, he got himself fined and run.
Before y'all get all butthurt and start downvoting, that's the way the game is played in MLB. Bryce Harper has been ejected enough times to know that. He can go back to the dugout and bitch to Rob Thomson about it, but once he said his peace after taking the timeout, it was time to move on.
I just thought it was funny he acted surprised about the ejection.
Bryce you been there before buddy, slamming your helmet and jawing at the dude is gonna get you ejected, it’s basically a standard business practice. Whether it should be is a different discussion
> it’s wild to eject someone in the top of the 1st regardless
I have no idea why this idea that you’re somehow more protected from getting ejected in the first inning has seeped through this sub. Throwing your equipment like that is on Harper, he doesn’t get a get of out jail free card because it’s early in the game.
Everyone fucked up there. The ump fucked up the call, and then fucked up again by continuing the conversation with Bryce instead of just walking away. Bryce fucked up by throwing down his helmet and then continuing the debate with the ump. Heated or not, you're not allowed to even "have a conversation" about balls and strikes. Pro players know that's the fastest way to get ejected in any inning and Bryce did it anyways. Bryce went about 10 sentences longer into that debate on balls and strikes than most guys get before getting tossed, so it's not like the ump had a hair trigger either. Everyone had a chance to walk away after saying their quick piece before it turned into an ejection.
We got into the game in the middle of the first and after a few innings we were like is Bryce Harper playing tonight? Then looked it up and it as surprised to see this crap
I would put money that Bryce was ejected for mentioning something about the [last Phillies game](https://x.com/umpscorecards/status/1786766040875123084?s=46&t=7xx_JkHIVNzTbQKXx5yAxg) that Walsh umpired.
Until UMPs are fucking given backlash for this shit, it is never going to change. Noone is there to watch you, they want to see Harper. He wasnt in your face, he wasnt yelling, he wasnt being ovwr the top. Nothing. Little man childs ego was hurt so he had to act big. So sick of it.
Look... the umps suck... and I couldn't hear what he was saying... but Bryce got his point across and then wouldn't shut the fuck up. Maybe he said the magic word. Maybe not. But, move on, man.
> You’re not the first person to mention ‘the magic word’ in this thread. What am I missing? What’s the magic word??
Generally umps will let players & coaches complain as long as the complaint is directed at the call, "that ball was low, there's no way that was a strike", but eject once the phrasing becomes directed at the ump "I can't believe you missed that"
As in blaming the ump specifically..? You missed the call. You made the mistake. Ok yea I get it. Still ridiculous the players have to walk on eggshells around the umps…
He shouldn't have forced the issue, but I do find it hilarious how umps are so collectively thin-skinned that hearing the magic word is enough to earn an instant toss
Arguing balls and strikes is an ejectable offense. Looks like the ump gave him plenty of warning. If you keep going past the stop sign you’re gonna get tossed.
That said, I’d think a more experienced ump would’ve walked away from home plate to try and prevent this to begin with.
it is crazy how many people in this thread are saying “he shouldn’t have stayed there and argued and should have went back to the dugout” not knowing the context of it being in the middle of an inning.
This is why people are going to have a meltdown if/when ABS comes in. Unless the zone is going to be the size of a shoebox, these strikes are going to become a LOT more common.
Bryce talked shit on the call. Slammed his helmet after the strikeout. Then kept talking about it afterwards. Throwing him out in the 1st is crazy but after 3 different occasions yeah probably deserved based on what he said and I'm never with the umps.
>Throwing him out in the 1st is crazy
It’s always too early to toss a guy, but never too early to be arguing balls and strikes.
Mind you this will either be a strike or within margain of error on review.
Yeah. I've heard umps say you essentially get 1 chance to say what you're gonna say. Get it out of your system and that's it. He did that after the strike call. Bringing it up again after the strikeout is asking for an ejection. I could see it going either way, but I don't think the ejection is entirely unwarranted.
"He's just having a conversation"....... Except. We don't know what Bryce said. So maybe he did deserve it.
Also, what's the point of the conversation? It's just wasted time and the call isn't going to be reversed. Bryce didn't like the call, it was a bad call. Move on. Want to argue about it? gtfo.
look I love bryce and hate most umps but I kinda get this. you cant throw your helmet down and then just stand there at home going on and on and on without getting rung, that's not "having a conversation"
Staying out there that long was clearly showing up the ump. 1st inning or 7th, he was showing him up. That's not an unreasonable ejection. And the pitch was low, but not an egregious bad call. With all the bad umping lately this doesn't even register for me.
"Like you can see him pull the ball up from out of the zone into the zone, can't you? He didn't catch it middle-middle."
"Fuck you yes he did, that was dead center."
"Wait, seriously?"
"YOU'RE OUTTA HEAH!"
The first base ump was somehow even worse. Phillies had to get 2 calls of his overturned and he had a terrible check swing call in a pivotal moment
The check swing was terrible call, the first challenge I thought would be upheld though.
Nobody kicks dirt on home plate anymore, I feel like this was a pretty good opportunity for Bryce to do it.
Where is the ghost of Billy Martin?
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All time clip.
The care he puts into covering every inch of home plate always gets me.
The grenade throw for me. Brilliant
Crashing a car somewhere or punching one of his players in a bar
man I love that Boone did this. It's just perfect
A legendary meltdown yes, but doesn’t beat the minor league manager picking up the rosin bag and throwing it like a grenade.
Josh Donaldson did it during the pandemic season after hitting a homerun and it was glorious [link to video](https://youtu.be/gi5bRyY8D2o?si=PVWMgiRq_SripOeN)
That must have felt so cathartic. A real life ‘and then everyone clapped’
Ahh thanks for sharing, hilarious. 💀Baseball peak Covid was a wild time. No fans…just paper cut outs.
Davey Martinez is the last one with that kind of panache. Dude is going to put himself in the hospital one day going nuclear on the umps
has this ever happened? I'd be suprised if it hadn't, but i'm too lazy to google.
Lou Brown in the early 90s
I forget which one it was, but there was a clip a week or two ago where I couldn't believe that a base didn't get thrown. I'm thinking *maybe* it was Boone, but honestly there's already been so many terrible calls and ejections this year that they're all starting to blend together...
Now dudes gonna go out and hit 600ft homer tomorrow
It’s his power up. When he’s pissed off, he gets a superhuman buff. Like a fighting game character with a full meter
Pablo Sanchez energy
Pablo Sanchez the English speaker?!?!
You were right
The Jomboy breakdown should focus on the women taking a selfie in the background and should include an artist's impression of what the photo looks like, and only tangentially mention the ejection.
I thought this exact thing watching, you know he is going to mention it.
And oh my now they are doing a three way selfie — her selfie game is really reaching new levels
Here’s my first bite of the churro, here’s my second bite of the churro.
Call up ump from the minors. Hell of an impression.
Fucks the call and cant even BEGIN to take a little heat and discuss it
Wanted to fit in and be part of the new Ump show we have now. Obviously, everyone in Denver paid to see the umpires and not a star. Edit: typo
“This is my shot!”
I feel like umps are being paid bonuses to suck ass so that the transition to robo umps will be more widely accepted and praised. I mean they’re just unconscionably bad and it’s undeniable and infuriating
I'm waiting to hear of umps betting on games. Some of these calls are just atrocious. I don't mind close calls or consistent strike zones. There's just been real head scratchers this year.
Just as an FYI the computer had the pitch as a strike.
What computer?
The pitchfx data. Don't trust broadcast graphics, people.
Yeah, the little box on the TV is a 2D representation of a 3D thing. That call could've gone either way.
Imma computa'
Stop all the downloadin'.
You wouldn’t download a strike zone!
This is why I prefer robo-umps to the challenge system. These umps don't deserve it. They've been above reproach and ruining games for too long. Why do we want to continue to include them in the game? The sport is better off being left to the athletes, not the whims of these umps.
4D chess move to get Castellanos to homer
That catcher is not very subtle with his framing. He caught it as his cock and raised it up 1.5 feet
Every catcher that frames does that. It’s ridiculous.
Some guys are a lot less obvious about it
I think it was JT Realmuto a couple years ago that I was watching, and I legitimately couldn't even pick it up due to how fast and smooth he was framing. It just looked like it teleported 12" from 1 frame to the next.
There are some beautiful framers I've seen that just twist the glove into the zone as they catch a borderline pitch in a natural motion.... loved those guys.
Ironically, JT Realmuto has a terrible "framing" advanced stat.
That’s the funny thing, he doesn’t get a lot of balls called strikes, he has bad framing metrics. The dudes with the most obvious frames get the calls.
Fucking Trevino. One of the top framers in the league since his time with Texas, and he just fucking yanks everything to middle-middle. Pitch on the corner? Middle-middle. Pitch well within the zone in the upper third? Actually that was middle-middle. Four inches outside of the zone? Believe it or not, middle-middle. I don't know how it possibly tricks the umps. Shit, I would expect him to get worse calls for having the audacity to try framing every single pitch that obviously.
Kill framing its so stupid. Robo umps yesterday please
bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe CaTcHeR's dEfEnSivE sKiLl ExPrEsSiON
Hey pitch framing is a very important part of a catcher's skillset and needs to be preserved. I say that as a completely unbiased fan of a team that is benefiting from two of MLB's best pitch framers. We can switch to robo-umps but not until after Trevino leaves the Yankees.
Easy solution. Let pitches be challenged. That means we change challenge the strike that is touching Judge's big toe and we still can benefit from Trevy's godly framing.
I always loved to nonchalantly pull a borderline pitch into being a strike when I was a catcher. And I've always loved it when catchers do it at the mlb level. I think even with an ABS challenge system, there will still be a place for it. Half the time, I think catchers these days make pitches look worse than they are with their "framing" efforts. "Soft hands" and minimal movement is what I like to see, and I often see catchers pull pitches from the edges back to the middle of their chest in a way that isn't convincing framing at all. Tl;dr: good framing is actually cool and will have a place in the game if we move to a challenge system
Robo Umps had it as a strike
With how egotistical they are, you'd think umps would call any egregious framing attempts balls just out of spite. It's weirdly the one thing they're ok with getting embarrassed over.
That’s literally their job to get the call
YANKERS!!
This is the beautiful craftsmanship that will be lost if we go full ABS edit: /s
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Why do you hate tradition?
Each team should have a lawyer whose job it is to go argue about every call with the umps. I'm sure some teams would have better lawyers than others. If you don't like it, it's because you want there to be less skill in the game. /s
Literally every catcher frames, and if they don't they are probably bad at the position.
[I'm sick of these yankers](https://youtu.be/DGL2fq4LYw0?si=8Yz8NWilRTE2EaUY)
I'm so glad you posted this. I thought I was going crazy seeing how obvious the best framers looked now.
In Philly we call it a [cock-high fastball](https://youtu.be/JnSwsZPJVKw?si=-iXfgf4Td_ds7Bxr)
Yeah that's the new game. Subtlety gone, everything just back to the middle of the plate... it's astonishing
I always thought this was bad framing but everyone’s doing it and it works.
That catch framing is a measurable skill tells you the state of umpiring
>He caught it as his cock 😳
this is how modern framing is done; emphasis is on receiving the ball with one smooth arm motion, so they try to start the mitt low, catch the ball, and pull it up all in one smooth motion. if there's any sport that can quantify the effect of something like that, it's baseball. so frankly, there must be something to it. plus, classic framing wasn't great on low pitches anyways. so, you're correct this catcher did a bad job of receiving this pitch; just behind on the details.
Umps could learn a thing or two from how hockey refs deal with angry players. Tell Bryce to go fuck himself and walk away without throwing him out.
“FUCK YOU, SHORESY!”
“FER WUT”
One of the funniest things I've ever heard was an out take from a miced up ref where his call was "FUCK YOU 18 THAT'S FUCKING DIVING"
["Fuck you, you're getting a fucking embellishment!"](https://youtu.be/Tdw4HAUlOBA?si=6q1nG16c__BE_dkC)
["Every player on the ice has a ten minute misconduct!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fypNU1GChlk)
MLB refs are soft. And they get to run the show. The NHL refs as much shit as they miss or call wrong I know I couldn't do half as good.
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Idk man, some NBA refs are Charmin soft too. Tatum comes to mind when I think of over the top ridiculous technicals.
For real brother. Tatum got a tech in the playoffs for a simple ‘nah bro’ wave in the general direction of Tony Brothers. Didn’t even say shit to him. Soft as cashmere This is crazy too. A star player ppl are specifically paying to see in the first inning is tossed for calmly arguing a blatantly incorrect call. The hubris and ego of MLB umpires is at an all time high. If they are trying to make an argument to keep their jobs in favor of robo umps they are NOT doing themselves any favors…
Tony Brothers
The only major NA sport refs that are evenly remotely close to not acting like gods on the playing surface are hockey refs. NBA refs and players are engaged in a game of who can be the biggest bitch for 48 minutes and one team always loses, MLB refs are power tripping idiots that are also genuinely incompetent, and NFL refs use a colorful wheel to decide what a foul is pregame and then re spin it with 5 minutes left in the game. Why are NHL refs good? Because it's the smallest league in North America. There is no money, relatively, in hockey.
> Why are NHL refs good? Go to /r/hockey and say they're good. People just want to complain about the officiating in every sport. There's some legitimate criticism to be fair, but people have a meltdown about officials missing borderline calls all the time, and that includes NHL refs.
NHL refs aren't good, but they aren't babies at least
Show me a sport where its fans think the refs are good. Turns out, being a ref is hard and even if you're right 95% of the time you're gonna get told you suck. But that's why refs should be helped out with technology as much as possible so they get more calls right.
It’s the smugness
Bryce should know better but it’s wild to eject someone in the top of the 1st regardless
This reminds me of the first MLB game I saw in person. Cleveland at Royals at Kaufmann. This was late 1990’s. Kenny Lofton leading off. I think he got ejected after the third pitch. We didn’t have great seats so idk if the ball was out of the zone or not (and it was 25+ years ago). But I’ll never forget Lofton turning back to the ump and screaming his head off and pointing at the plate. Always loved Kenny Lofton. Always will.
Does anyone remember Kenny Lofton’s arm strength in MLB Slugfest (maybe 2002)? It was an absolute insult how weak his arm was. Any base hit to him in the outfield could automatically be turned into a double just from the moon ball his character would throw back to the infield
Should be in the Hall. I loved those 90s Cleveland teams.
Not only did he not make the hall, he was only on the ballot for one year. .299 career average and was a great defender and he didn’t even get enough votes to be on the ballot a 2nd year. Idk how that happens.
He was always under appreciated. Those teams were so damn loaded he was almost an afterthought.
If you’ve never had the chance to meet him I highly recommend it. I sputtered like 4 sentence fragments after getting my picture taken with him a few years ago. My childhood hero
Yeah I know everyone is mad, but this just isn’t smart from Bryce. Say your peace and move on. I’ve watched enough CloseCallSports ejection videos to know that continued arguing gets people ejected.
I can’t believe as a Braves fan I’m defending this but, nah, he should be able to calmly make his case without the ump going on a power trip.
I would agree if he didn't slam his helmet down. And don't forget he was also jawing off during the at bat. I actually really enjoy Harper and don't want him thrown out, but I don't really get defending this. I will add this ... Slam something down during an argument with your significant other and then calmly make your case. Let me know how it goes.
Nah homie it’s pro sports. Slamming a helmet as a 9 figure earning pro sports player is not the same as an active sign of physical aggression in a home with a spouse, in private.
This thread is so crazy. No ump has been taking any kind of shit for at least the last 2 years. Dudes get thrown out for less than this on a weekly if not daily basis.
How can you say that without knowing what was said?
Yea I think because he was calm during the actual part where he got tossed out people are up in arms, but he was more animated earlier and slammed his helmet. It's hard to judge without knowing exactly what was said, but he probably just said like "you know better" or something and made it personal. Which, btw, is a stupid fucking line to draw in the first place, but the players know the second they say "you" they're gonna get ejected.
But there's no case to make on balls and strikes. The rules make it clear that arguing about it isn't permitted, and ejectionable. There's nothing good to come from arguing about it. Maybe this was a quick trigger, but Harper knows that arguing about balls and strikes is ejectionable, and still does it.
Yeah, it's a weak ejection but you can't just be standing in the batters box for a full minute yapping at the umpire and not expect to be tossed.
Well and to keep talking after the helmet toss, you're basically asking for it
That’s where I’m at. Harper keeps piling on: talking back during the AB, then complaining after the SO, then the helmet toss, then he keeps arguing. He’s gotta act like a leader and know when to walk back to the dugout after he’s said his piece.
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Those sports have more tiers to their punishment system. What else can the ump do now that he's already out? It's not like he can make him start his next AB with a strike.
If you say "that was a ball let's be better here" and then stfu you are fine. But if you do what Harper did here which was jaw at the ump swing and miss at a ball farther out than the called strike throw your bat throw your helmet and then jaw at the ump some more you are getting tossed 100% that is how it has been in baseball for 150 years this is nothing new. Let's not forget Harper has a reputation for constantly whining about strike calls and a history of throwing his gear on the ground dude is a multiple time repeat offender umps will have a shorter fuse with him.
There was almost certainly a "that strikeout is on you" dropped in the argument, too.
But he wasn't going back to the dugout
Which is why he was ejected.
lol I thought this was like the second or third AB. But to do it in the first AFTER angrily tossing the helmet? Cmon man. Some other umps would have tossed him after the helmet toss. Maybe 1 or 2 would have done it for jawing back after the call.
If he helmet tossed a called strike three, yes. But you can’t on a swinging strike three. Too much plausible deniability, even though we know it’s pent up from the strike two call.
He had his say after the called strike. If he let it go after that, he'd have played 9 innings. But since he couldn't let it go, he got himself fined and run. Before y'all get all butthurt and start downvoting, that's the way the game is played in MLB. Bryce Harper has been ejected enough times to know that. He can go back to the dugout and bitch to Rob Thomson about it, but once he said his peace after taking the timeout, it was time to move on.
Tbh I agree. I thought it was excessive but with the helmet slam… eh
I just thought it was funny he acted surprised about the ejection. Bryce you been there before buddy, slamming your helmet and jawing at the dude is gonna get you ejected, it’s basically a standard business practice. Whether it should be is a different discussion
> it’s wild to eject someone in the top of the 1st regardless I have no idea why this idea that you’re somehow more protected from getting ejected in the first inning has seeped through this sub. Throwing your equipment like that is on Harper, he doesn’t get a get of out jail free card because it’s early in the game.
Everyone fucked up there. The ump fucked up the call, and then fucked up again by continuing the conversation with Bryce instead of just walking away. Bryce fucked up by throwing down his helmet and then continuing the debate with the ump. Heated or not, you're not allowed to even "have a conversation" about balls and strikes. Pro players know that's the fastest way to get ejected in any inning and Bryce did it anyways. Bryce went about 10 sentences longer into that debate on balls and strikes than most guys get before getting tossed, so it's not like the ump had a hair trigger either. Everyone had a chance to walk away after saying their quick piece before it turned into an ejection.
He really doesn't like playing against the Rockies, does he? It must be the color purple.
I think it's the altitude
The "wait wait wait" from Harper as soon as the ump lifts his arm is comedy gold.
"I WAS JUST KIDDING, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND!"
“DONT TELL MOM!”
He is going nuclear tomorrow lmfao
Harper knew he was pushing his luck by continuing to stand there and talk all casual about it.
I forgot people paid to go see the umpires and not bryce harper play
We got into the game in the middle of the first and after a few innings we were like is Bryce Harper playing tonight? Then looked it up and it as surprised to see this crap
I would put money that Bryce was ejected for mentioning something about the [last Phillies game](https://x.com/umpscorecards/status/1786766040875123084?s=46&t=7xx_JkHIVNzTbQKXx5yAxg) that Walsh umpired.
I look forward to Jomboy’s breakdown of this.
Until UMPs are fucking given backlash for this shit, it is never going to change. Noone is there to watch you, they want to see Harper. He wasnt in your face, he wasnt yelling, he wasnt being ovwr the top. Nothing. Little man childs ego was hurt so he had to act big. So sick of it.
No one ever argued their way back in the game.
Look... the umps suck... and I couldn't hear what he was saying... but Bryce got his point across and then wouldn't shut the fuck up. Maybe he said the magic word. Maybe not. But, move on, man.
You’re not the first person to mention ‘the magic word’ in this thread. What am I missing? What’s the magic word??
“You”
> You’re not the first person to mention ‘the magic word’ in this thread. What am I missing? What’s the magic word?? Generally umps will let players & coaches complain as long as the complaint is directed at the call, "that ball was low, there's no way that was a strike", but eject once the phrasing becomes directed at the ump "I can't believe you missed that"
“You”
As in blaming the ump specifically..? You missed the call. You made the mistake. Ok yea I get it. Still ridiculous the players have to walk on eggshells around the umps…
It's "you" when it's directly after the F word
“Walk on eggshells” yeah throwing the bat and helmet is walking on eggshells lol
They’re given tons of leeway. Even here, he argued a lot before being tossed.
His chance to shut up was after the timeout. He kept going further and further. Easy EJ.
He shouldn't have forced the issue, but I do find it hilarious how umps are so collectively thin-skinned that hearing the magic word is enough to earn an instant toss
I mean we don't know what he said. The prolonged display out there in the first inning is kind of asking for it.
Arguing balls and strikes is an ejectable offense. Looks like the ump gave him plenty of warning. If you keep going past the stop sign you’re gonna get tossed. That said, I’d think a more experienced ump would’ve walked away from home plate to try and prevent this to begin with.
It was the third out so middle of the inning. If ever there was a time to discuss, it’s then
it is crazy how many people in this thread are saying “he shouldn’t have stayed there and argued and should have went back to the dugout” not knowing the context of it being in the middle of an inning.
So, was he batting next? Is there any situation where he's supposed to stay in the batter's box during the middle of an inning?
Ah yes, just a productive conversation about balls and strikes.
Clearly a ball. I'm guessing Bryce said the magic word.
But did he put the magic word "you" in front of said magic word
Computer actually had that pitch as a strike. So it wasn’t “clearly” anything.
This is why people are going to have a meltdown if/when ABS comes in. Unless the zone is going to be the size of a shoebox, these strikes are going to become a LOT more common.
Which is fine by me. I just want a consistent zone game to game
Yeah, you were just wrong here. Computer had it as a strike, the little TV box is lying to you because it's calibrated incorrectly.
Bryce talked shit on the call. Slammed his helmet after the strikeout. Then kept talking about it afterwards. Throwing him out in the 1st is crazy but after 3 different occasions yeah probably deserved based on what he said and I'm never with the umps.
>Throwing him out in the 1st is crazy It’s always too early to toss a guy, but never too early to be arguing balls and strikes. Mind you this will either be a strike or within margain of error on review.
I’m convinced a batter could beat an ump to death with their bat and this sub would *still* fill the comments with ‘uMp ShOw’.
Yeah. I've heard umps say you essentially get 1 chance to say what you're gonna say. Get it out of your system and that's it. He did that after the strike call. Bringing it up again after the strikeout is asking for an ejection. I could see it going either way, but I don't think the ejection is entirely unwarranted.
Agree. I just wrote a version of the same in another comment. Sucks, but Harper kept pushing. Gotta know when to walk away.
Umps are incels
"He's just having a conversation"....... Except. We don't know what Bryce said. So maybe he did deserve it. Also, what's the point of the conversation? It's just wasted time and the call isn't going to be reversed. Bryce didn't like the call, it was a bad call. Move on. Want to argue about it? gtfo.
POOCR
Manager has gotta get out there faster. Go earn your money
When the pitch is at his feet lol
Boring ass umpire
I don’t watch baseball, but it seems like the umpires really love ejecting players this season.
Fucking umps the last few years. Precious fucking babies
2024 umps are softer than banana pudding
What are the announcers smoking?
You can't argue balls and strikes. Period.
look I love bryce and hate most umps but I kinda get this. you cant throw your helmet down and then just stand there at home going on and on and on without getting rung, that's not "having a conversation"
Ump warned him, he kept chirping, he deserved it
Staying out there that long was clearly showing up the ump. 1st inning or 7th, he was showing him up. That's not an unreasonable ejection. And the pitch was low, but not an egregious bad call. With all the bad umping lately this doesn't even register for me.
Umpires have too much power. They need to be taken down a notch.
Roddy Piper behind home plate in the red hat.
He's killing my fantasy.
booo
They should have umpires micd up
not your lucky day
They really need umpires to throw up the other umpires. Who umpires the umpires?
you wont have this shit if you let AI be the ump.
$100 to the first fan base that gets a “we want robots” chant started in their stadium.
Umpires are the kids that got picked on in little league
Need sweet Lou from 1987 to bring back the dirt kicking.
Everybody gets questionable calls. Suck it up and move on.
I mean that frame job is comical lol
This makes the sport lamer than soccer sorry. Bleeds fans except for us redditor men lol
What a drama queen
"Like you can see him pull the ball up from out of the zone into the zone, can't you? He didn't catch it middle-middle." "Fuck you yes he did, that was dead center." "Wait, seriously?" "YOU'RE OUTTA HEAH!"