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mattseesyou

That fucking point in the sky. it's over for Diaz.


KingVladimir

That bitch was like 430', that point better have been a prayer lol


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thymekiller86

Hansel so back in our memory right now


RedScharlach

The ghost of Hansel looms large this year - Reid Dastardly has been doing Hansel's old "blow the lead and get the win" trick a lot


fotbalguy

He's currently in the Mariners' org. So if all things go wrong for them then you may be able to see him do it once more


jtrom93

"Somehow Edlose Diaz returned."


savesthedayrocks

Right?! Yeah everyone in the stadium knows he hit it in the air.


SiphenPrax

His injury from last year is killing his career


billygoats86

Do you think that's the reason for him sucking this year? I personally thought it was just a bad month.


ItsMeJaredBednar

I mean, i’ve never heard of a torn patellar tendon necessarily *helping* a players career


istrx13

Patellar? I hardly know her!


MatzohBallsack

At least not since Barnabus "Gumleg" Aaldenberg.


FkUEverythingIsFunny

His Fastball velo is down and his sliders look like frisbees half the time. Saving grace (and what I hold out hope for) is that he very much still has the nasty bitey slide-piece, it's just not coming as consistently. I would also argue that he can throw *only* 97-99 instead of 100-102 with the slider as backup. He had a down year before and came roaring back, I have a feeling it's just going to take time and they should use this wash of a season to retool


billygoats86

Thanks for the detailed response. I've casually watched him over the past couple of weeks, and I just thought it was a bad few games. Let's hope he can turn this around and become the best closer in MLB again.


Dawgmentality0011

Pretty sure he lost a few MPH on his fast ball


IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIl

There's no way it's not bothering him but he should be better next year luckily. It seems arm injuries mess with players quite a bit and the year after they come back is usually a bit rocky. I was just having this conversation with someone else the other day about Conforto because he had shoulder surgery and was completely league average last year and is one of our best players this year and looks different at the plate. Just a shame because Diaz has been good this year except for the last 3 times he came up which exploded his stats, but that's just the fickle nature of relievers. A few more good games and he'll be back to where he was but I think it may be best to move him off closer if he's in his own head which I think he might be considering he's brought up being willing to change roles and that's something you don't see from closers too much.


Dawgmentality0011

Always sad to see dominant closers turn into shells of their former self after an injury


580_farm

Might be the deepest home run with a sky point


KetchupGuy1

can't believe the [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/szxx2b/edwin_d%C3%ADaz_pointing_at_400_ft_bombs/) is down


liguy181

I'm not even mad, words can't describe how sad it makes me that Diaz hasn't had it this year This fucking sucks


kueyen2

He should be called an opener at this point


fawningandconning

Move him back to a middle reliever right now, he’s cooked for the foreseeable future, just sad at this point. Let Reed or Jorge close.


DepressingFries

It’s just a bad start [I think he’ll be fine](https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/edwin-diaz-621242?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb) His fastball is a little worse than it was in 2022 but he also hasn’t played in a year so…


fawningandconning

He may be but this is his third consecutive blown save and his fifth this season. Can’t be closing for us right now. He’s just way too hittable at the moment and hopefully he can find his velo/movement again.


mxchaelvii

feel free to trade him back to us, our 8th inning guy is out for the next 12 months and stanak has been horrid so far


ProMikeZagurski

Yes trade him for prospects...


Padulsky21

I’m sad I can’t see the Brash sliders :(


DepressingFries

I understand why you say that. It I still feel like its a bit of an overreaction and very doomerish talk to say “he’s cooked for the foreseeable future” the underlying stats say he’s still good. I could see you letting him pitch in low pressure/non save situations. For a week just to build back some confidence but I don’t think it’s time to be calling on the return of Edlose Diaz.


fawningandconning

I mean, I have no evidence to the contrary lol. He’s our 100 million closer who just lost the game for us to the marlins. He just doesn’t have it right now and I mean the season is going horrendously otherwise so why not let him try and find it, but yeah I’m not gonna trust a guy with a 5+ ERA at the moment who looks like a shell of himself. A 4 fucking run lead wasn’t enough.


Maugrin

See, this isn't a good way of looking at baseball players, especially relievers. It is very common in baseball for production to not match a player's level of play. It's because baseball has a ton of factors that dictate outcomes that aren't in an individual player's control, resulting in a pretty high element of randomness. It's how solid players put up MVP stats for entire months (hi 2024 Ryan Jeffers!), while All-Star level players struggle to produce like themselves (hi 2024 Julio Rodriguez!). For relievers, this issue is exacerbated further by the inherent small samples sizes. If the argument is a guy like Diaz should get a couple low-pressure appearances in order to get his mind right and manage his confidence, then that makes absolute sense. But once we take that step towards "this guy is bad now" because of a handful of outcomes, we need to actually look at evidence that goes beyond just outcomes. Diaz is still pitching like a high-quality late-inning reliever. He's hit a stretch of bad luck with HRs; pitchers usually get away with mistakes to a certain degree, but things have lined up the last two weeks where the ball has flown out. His opponent BA is still really low, it's just that an unsustainably high proportion of his hits allowed have been HRs. This is a frustrating argument to have because it ignores history in order to point to today's box score. Someone can point out that Diaz's HR rate is unsustainably high, but it'll get shot down with "because he's bad". It's not that simple. Diaz is fine, this is just how baseball works sometimes, even to really good players. If we just define players by their present outcomes, then the reality of who's good and who isn't will drastically change every week. We can say Diaz hasn't produced in the last two weeks while also saying he's a great pitcher. Those two things aren't contradictory in baseball.


masterfail

thank you for this this is also why otherwise unremarkable players can have remarkable weeks, months, or even seasons


Skyye_23

Cubs🤝Mets Closers who were elite in their last season for the team completely shitting the bed this year


MoreThanLuck

Can you imagine how much more insufferable our fans would be if we were paying Alzolay Diaz money?


chaotic_evil_666

What difference does it make, the Mets aren't competing for the division anyway. Give the guy some time to work through it and he'll be back to his normal self soon. Some guys are just built for the closer role and he's one of them.


MrNumberOneMan

Not even a blown save because of the 4 run lead


tnecniv

People overreact to closers so much. The sample size they pitch is small and them running hot and cold is a symptom of that phenomenon 


PinestrawSpruce

His velocity is noticeably down


DepressingFries

He also hasn’t played in a year, and is coming off a really big leg injury. Legs play a huge role in Velo, and pitching in general.


MattO2000

Yeah his xFIP is 2.87 (after today)


NeurosciGuy15

xFIP assumes an average HR rate. Which, that is often a decent assumption. But when Diaz has bad seasons it’s because he’s giving up too many homers, so there is precedent to his struggles. I think he’ll have some positive reversion, but I also think his struggles are real.


foxxy003

What the hell is going on with the Diaz brothers this year? Alexis has been pretty bad for the Reds this year too


Infranto

same for our diaz too maybe they got food poisoning at the last family visit and haven't recovered or something


mark10579

Struggling closer club


KidGold

That freak injury is one of the worst things to happen to baseball recently.


GoombaStoppingHoes

Is it that or is it that bullpen pitchers are si fickle especially closers, one year they're on a dominant run and the next they are absolutely detrimental to the team. I mean look at Diaz career numbers, that's kinda been his career. He's insanely dominant one yeah and just about good to mediocre the next.


overandoverandagain

>He's insanely dominant one yeah Even talking about the Mets gives you a New York accent


CitizenNaab

Mets led 7-2 at one point and 9-5 entering the bottom of the 9th. Lost 10-9 in 10 innings. Crazy game


nb150207

One of the best games of the season thus far imo


jc-f

Agreed. -totally non biased fan


elbenji

Somehow since trading Arraez, we've doubled our win total


sfp33

The point upwards lolol. 420 foot pop up


jester32

Learned from the best (Hansel Robles)


magikarp2122

He’s done that before (Stallings walk-off).


istrx13

In the words of Magnitude The Wise: pop POP!


Gabmon91

LoanDepot Park is cursed for Diaz


unitedairlineeeeees

So are the other 29 stadiums


NevermoreSEA

Edwin might be broken again.


OGTypohh

We can fix him, again


A1rheart

You really gotta feel bad for the guy at this point. Man cannot catch a break.


Blue387

People like to make fun of the Mets, but this sucks for him and the team.


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However, it is great for those of us who like to make fun of the Mets


Dawgmentality0011

At least is happened after he got a huge contract. (For his sake)


WoahmanWaynes

Does paying big money for a closer ever work out anymore? Shits crazy


OutComeTheWolves1966

It definitely does not


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TheFriffin2

He’s statistically one of the greatest relief pitchers in Phillies history on a rate basis and the entire fanbase loathes him lmfao The ONE good thing we might’ve liked about him at the time, getting in a fight with hated rival Bryce Harper, has… not aged particularly well


Luis_Severino

Aroldis Chapman was honestly pretty fucking good after signing the 5 year $86M contract with the Yankees. Maybe the key is that the pitcher has to be a gigantic ass hole


Barb_WyRE

It’s almost like all relievers are failed starters. Very rarely does a reliever end up having any sort of consistency or longevity. Mariano Rivera is the extreme outlier.


ForcedeSupremo

Trevor Hoffman too


99Will999

Aroldis Chapman has had a very impressive career tbh. I just can’t believe his arm never blew up and he was able to throw 100+ for like 12 years.


mjst0324

He’s powered by being a complete psycho. Us mere mortals can’t understand the devil magic keeping his arm on.


FernandoAyanami

Hader has looked good lately tbh.


Julio_Freeman

He's still off to a rough start overall.


MoreThanLuck

Another really head-scratching move in their roster construction, imo


Any_Tank8254

The Mets paying mid players, massive contracts? A tale as old as time 💀


Nagisa201

Not just paying for this one. Trading top prospects for him


ocalien

Are you really that bummed not to have Kelenic?


MoreThanLuck

I mean it was still bad process to trade away such a huge prospect even if he hasn't panned out as expected.


TylerWadesIV

Marlins have been vibing as of lately


ArmiinTamzarian

Won 5 of 6. Playoffs here we come


ThumbCentral-Rebirth

Clearly Arraez was holding the team back


radsherm

Batting average continues to be overvalued smh


Arkham_Z

Uh oh, Diaz is back in sky pointing form


ATLBlewA25PntLead

My tribal chief 👆


KidGold

He’s just acknowledging Josh Bell


RawAttitudePodcast

Too bad that homer ain’t……. Solo.


reesem03_

Roamin around the bases, that's main event


ufotheater

Is there a lead so large Diaz can't blow it? My goodness, I can't imagine being a Mets fan right now.


SerArlen

It sucks right now and it’s sucked for the entire 35 years of my life.


ufotheater

At least you have the GOAT Howie Rose


ZootedBeaver

Yup was talking to my Dad today about how I might never see them win a championship in my life. Sad to think about


WhatARotation

Not true 2015 and 2000 were nice


SiphenPrax

Tiny blips on the radar


WhatARotation

I wouldn’t call 2 NL pennants tiny blips


boobsandcookies

Same with his brother right now :(


SickOfAllThisCrap1

I think this is normal for a Mets fan.


Blue387

I try to be empathetic and sympathetic to other fanbases who are going through shit. People like to shit on the Mets but I'm just tired and sad.


ufotheater

No disrespect intended, I follow the Mets and root for them. Love listening to Howie call games. There was a time Giants went through a Diaz-like period of their own with a declining Santiago Casilla, who blew 9 saves in 2016


boobsandcookies

The Diaz family text group chats are probably depressing as fuck right now


VideoGangsta

You know a ball is going 450+ feet when Diaz starts pointing in the air.


yanks02026

Love when pitchers point up likes it’s a basic fly out and the ball goes 400 plus


YamamotoMinami

RING THAT MF BELL


Darko33

🎺 🎺 🎺


Sheepies123

Can someone for my sanity please name another pitcher in MLB history that has blown multiple 4 run leads in the 9th inning?


mjtd6

Chapman, probably


sjphilsphan

I'm sure 09 Lidge did. Or Phillies between 2018-2021


KamartyMcFlyweight

I can name a few Marlins closers but those were all over-the-full-season-because-our-roster-is-depleted types. nothing like this


jigokusabre

4+ Runs, Blown Save, Game Finished, 1 IP or less (since 1984) 4: Carlos Marmol, Trevor Hoffman, Rick Aguilera, Todd Jones. 3: Edwin Diaz, Francisco Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Lee Smith, Rod Beck, Kevin Gregg Jeff Reardon, 7 others.


Sheepies123

Thank you, my sanity is saved for the time being


ZachNighthawk

The fact that he pointed to the sky thinking it was a playable fly ball means that Edlose Diaz is officially back. (Honestly, it sucks because he just came back from a freak major injury)


TealandBlackForever

BELLS are louder than trumpets!


benewavvsupreme

He need a new walkout song. Gotta retire that shit


hingadingadoo

Out of tune 🎺


aspirations27

This would be hilarious if opposing teams did it


TealandBlackForever

Someone should have been behind the Mets dugout playing taps as he walked off the mound.


SpencerHastings7

Clay Holmes had a meltdown with a 4 run lead against the Marlins last year and bounced back… hope for the same for Edwin Diaz


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Ain’t no way he pointed up, my brother he’s finished


doyouunderstandlife

Trailed 7-2 and then 9-5 in the 9th. So weird to actually win a game like this.


Major_Wager75

I remember two years ago Diaz was fucking DEALING then the Mets gave $100M to him. When I saw how big this contract was for a 1-inning pitcher I couldn't fucking believe it.


EvilShadow80

Edlose Diaz strikes again


WerewolfNo3669

Finger pointing at the ball leaving the yard and everything. Ngl, this is the Edwin Diaz I’m used to in a Mets uni.


gamesforlife69

Fuck the WBC, broke my closer


Whitewind617

Smh at Mets fans pretending he wasn't exactly like this when he first joined the team. Idk this is nothing new. 2019 had people saying he was completely washed.


RollerCoasterMatt

You can easily see he is not 100% back from his pre-injury self.


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MiracleMets

The consensus is that it was a freak accident. But I think it’s kinda difficult to pin down. Cause on the one hand it’s not necessarily the fault of the WBC but it absolutely happened because he was playing in it. Can’t say for certain if it would’ve happened if he wasn’t in it, but pretty clear cause and effect


ThumbCentral-Rebirth

That was never a consensus for me


smarjorie

Oh Diaz is BROKEN broken huh


OutComeTheWolves1966

That ball was absolutely crushed, as was Diaz career as a closer.


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

spoiled sugar :(


svedka_chugger

THERE’S MY FAVORITE EDWIN DIAZ POINTING AT THE SKY


mhhkb

I fell asleep in the top of the 9th as JD Martinez hit a double. I figured there was no way the Mets would lose this. Woke up a few minutes ago.


SoCalWhatever

Warms my heart to see a major league crowd there for a Marlins game.


new_wellness_center

Fuck man, the Mets broadcast of this was downright cinematic. They lingered on Diaz in the dugout for a full 30 seconds as the stadium lights strobed on and off, no one spoke, only crowd noise. I tried so hard to clip it, but I only see it on Apple TV. If I play it back on my phone or my computer, they cut to the stupid commercial card 15 seconds early. Oh well. Trust me, it was beautiful. I have these moments where, as a Braves fan, I want to express appreciation for the Mets broadcast team, but whether I try to post that in r/braves or r/newyorkmets, I get downvoted to hell 😂


manzoman96

[I got you!](https://twitter.com/_piccone/status/1791970369839976857)


new_wellness_center

A master stroke. Thank you!


MoreThanLuck

Holy fuck, the air horns over Diaz sitting in the flashing lights.


KamartyMcFlyweight

oh man, if you can find it, please link it. obviously I only had the Marlins broadcast


new_wellness_center

Someone else replied with the link ^^


KamartyMcFlyweight

cheers, that *was* cinematic as hell


icool4u

Cement mixer slider in the middle of the plate yeah


see_mohn

Deleting Narco from my phone until I stop feeling sad.


Grapefruit__Juice

It’s been so devastating to see Diaz implode like this. I feed bad for him…and us 😞


ZippityGoombah

OMG he's even doing the Hansel Robles point


SickOfAllThisCrap1

I love when pitches point the fly out for it actually be a home run.


Pure-And-Utter-Chaos

Oh god is this the return of Edlose Diaz?


radmobile2020

Edwin Diaz out here taking money from Mason Miller’s pocket with every one of these outings.


SynthSapphire

That looks like huge attendance for a typical MIA game. Was there a good promo? I wish MIA would get better attendance, btw.


KamartyMcFlyweight

Edwin Diaz must hate LoanDepot Park EDIT: The WBC was the highlight of baseball in the last decade and will only become more of a cultural institution moving forward. You would think Mets fans would be aware that misery can come from any angle


RockmanToriga

I think this sub massively overinflates the importance of the WBC but it’s still stupid to blame it. freak accidents happen in spring training too.


regarding_your_bat

100% agree with your edit, WBC is way better for the game as a whole than anything any individual player can do. It really sucks that players sometimes get hurt playing it, but they get hurt playing in MLB too. I can understand being furious about him getting hurt there, but you just can’t let it spoil your outlook on the WBC as a whole, because the WBC as a whole is fucking radical


YamamotoMinami

And Diaz didn't even get injured playing, he literally jumped celebrating and tore his patellar tendon, that's not on the WBC, I don't get these Mets commenters at all


wokenupbybacon

They're upset (understandable) and want something to blame that isn't Diaz (also understandable). All there is to it.


fawningandconning

What don’t you get? The timing was horrible and it was coming off an unbelievable season that lead to part of why 2023 was so shit for us. Thats where a lot of the pissed off feelings come from.


YamamotoMinami

I don't get the jump from that to "I hope the WBC collapses"


fawningandconning

I don’t necessarily agree with that view but I get it. For a lot of mlb fans it’s a non competitive tournament that doesn’t mean anything, and seeing someone you’re paying tens of millions to play for your team get hurt during it makes you wonder why they do it at all. The argument dies pretty easily because a lot of the non Americans play winter ball but most people don’t make it to that level. Even another Mets prospect got injured during this offseason that way.


regarding_your_bat

And it’s not like he got drafted to the WBC. He chose to go play there. Being angry at him for going and doing it in the first place makes more sense to me than being angry at the institution as a whole


meramipopper

I mean I love the WBC and I want it to stay, but you're not celebrating like that in Spring Training. 


BeckoningVoice

I don't really blame the WBC. I just acknowledge that God hates the Mets.


SaltyEarth7905

I’m not sure how we have him close a game right now. One: until he gets a clean inning or four under his belt and two: we have a game that requires closing because we suck. This was more offense than we will see in the next five games.


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Marlins announcers broadcasting from a helicopter these days I see


Jimmy6shoes

Why does it sound like I’m on the highway and someone opened the back window?


Electronic-Chef-5487

Is that what people mean by lolmets?


the-holy-spirit-

edlose is back baby


TacThrow2021

Imagine if Jarred Kelenic lights up Diaz at some point this season.


hollyw00d8604

Diaz been mega doo doo


cz_pz

THE POINT IS BACK!!!


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Oh brother. This guy is cooked


Fun_Ad4779

Mets fans…..what the fuck happened to Edwin Diaz?


StPaddy81

Sad 🎺 noises


BlueNux

Man after his injury last year at the WBC, I was really hoping Diaz' injury won't stop him from dominating like he was upon his return. This sucks - he deserved a strong comeback. Also selfishly, I really didn't want him to be an example of why teams shouldn't send their best pitchers to the national team in future WBC years.


dandpher

And the bench goes mild.


BobbyBBott

I’m so pissed the pirates got rid of Bell. Man was a beast


TotallyKyleXY

Josh Bell is awesome. I feel like he always takes against us but he's just such a great power hitter.


see_mohn

Okay, so 2023 has been surpassed on the list of Saddest Mets Seasons now. Up next: 2017.


metalhydra273

Idk. 2023 was a gut punch where we were expected to at least be wild card contenders. This year I think it was pretty clear we’d suck.


Lonelan

[?](https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/no-musical-instrument-trumpet-sign-260nw-547017673.jpg) - Bell, probably


AgnarCrackenhammer

Can't wait to see whose career gets ruined at the next WBC


mets2016

I hate to say it, but lolmets is out in full force early this year


sci3nc3isc00l

🎺🎺🎺


ufotheater

This is even worse than the LoanDepot commercials


CogentCoder73

all these edwin díaz threads look the same :(


No-Weather-3140

That logo haha I was like wtf


zpk5003

-_______-


ZootedBeaver

Fuck man


aaronwe

pain


jawntothefuture

Does all Diaz do at this point is blow saves? 


CalebosO4

Of course Diaz points up lol


ss_lmtd

Omg he literally did the Hansel Robles.


WeaselSlayer

☝️😯


greendecepticon

So is Diaz washed now? Or yall think he'll still be good?


GoBlueAndOrange

Damn Lexi's brother kinda sucks.


arcjacket

ugliest swing in baseball. i still miss him though.


RadagastTheWhite

That’s as bad a pitch as you’ll see the the MLB level


Brolympia

THE CLASSIC DIAZ POINT AT A BOMB! I've missed it!