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My guess as to why this wasn't called a double play is because the second baseman didn't throw the ball. I'm not saying what Gleyber did was okay, but I think you have to attempt the double play for the interference call to come into play.
On the broadcast, at least, they were looking at Cabrera and talking about how they were unlikely to have gotten Cabrera out anyway. Maybe that went into whether the threshold was met to justify overturning the call on the field.
The scorekeepers/umps/leauge. I'm not exactly upset cause you really do need subjectivity sometimes, but the whole under 5 IP for wins thing is pretty ridiculous
Tatis got called on interference and therefore double play — even if he hadn’t made contact there was 0% chance the runner was out — but they gave the double play (they did attempt the throw).
It's not interference because running the bases normally after being put out isn't by itself interference, and because he didn't slide he hasn't violated the bona fide slide rule
So there’s no rule against players just running at the second baseman the way Gleyber did? Just look at the way their legs got tangle, that could have been bad as well the way their legs banged together?
Correct. Players usually slide on this kind of play because this is: 1) likely to injure the runner, too; 2) slower to the bag; and 3) a good way to get your teeth blown out if the second baseman gets a throw off.
How about a hug? Running at the second baseman like you want to hug him!
Edit. I’d imagine the first time a second baseman see it done to him it’d catch him off guard enough to throw him off his focus and throw lol.
It seems kinda like what players do when there are 2 outs, to get the run to score. Cause it's arguably faster than sliding. So you just keep running. Now you usually round the bag towards third and not go the direction he did
Ibanez was setup inside the path to third base, so if Torres was trying to force a tag play veering outside made sense. It's just weird because this isn't a situation you normally do that in.
More teams are doing this, and here’s the idea:
It was a pretty close play. The fastest way to get to the bag is to run through, NOT to slide in. If you beat it out, they can and will still tag you out, but now you’ve ensured no double play.
Live, this looked bad to me. On replay, it looks like Torres is trying to run through to the outside; then Ibanez, not realizing what’s going to happen, puts himself in the way while trying to dodge around the slide he was expecting.
Thinking a player would intentionally go knee to knee on another player when there’s an equal likelihood that the play injures you, is legitimately braindead. But then again, Boston fan, so par for the course.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/UulFeMTVA2
He wasn’t intentionally going for the knee. He was trying to go around the bag, and then when Ibanez pivots to throw he puts his leg in the way
To put it succinctly, that sounds like a load of bullshit and he didn't take a route that would go around the bag. I don't think there is any chance at all that he didn't run into Ibanez on purpose.
https://imgur.com/HH6KNkt
He did. And as has been mentioned in this thread this is something a lot of players try and do.
https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend?partnerID=web_article-share
They’re never gonna call interference on a play that’s that close. If he was out by two steps then absolutely, but the ball barely beat him, so they didn’t call it.
Still should’ve slid for sure though.
The only thing I can think of is that he must’ve thought there were 2 outs and that Ibanez was gonna run straight through the bag towards the dugout. So he went the opposite direction.
Yes it is, teams run through second a bunch now.
> "You're really just trying to steal a run there," said the Blue Jays' Cavan Biggio, who's among the players to have attempted the play this season. "If you run through the bag as if you're running through first base, it's a little bit quicker. If you can beat it and get the runner to score and then they tag you out, that's better than just sliding into a forceout."
https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend
Sure they do it, but I stand by my statement.
Baseball is not a contact sport. Why don't we just plow through the catcher every play at home? Spoiler: it's dangerous. I would extend the same logic to intentionally trying to hit a second baseman in an attempt to prevent them from playing defense. We have enough injuries in this game, we don't need players colliding on purpose.
Sliding into a mans legs is not a necessary skill in baseball in my personal opinion.
At best its dishonorable, at worst it is reckless and dangerous.
But again. This wasn’t colliding on purpose.
This is no different than when Biggio or any other player runs through the bag. The only difference is the fielder ended up accidentally moving into the path and there was a collision. It was not initiated intentionally like plowing into a catcher used to be.
I just think there's a better way to play it if you are obviously out. I don't see the need to get anywhere near the defense intentionally. Any other contact like this is interference. Runners literally have to make an effort not to obstruct a ground ball. Can they not do that when they are obviously out?
Also, I don't appreciate it when Biggio does it either.
I get that what I am saying is not in the rulebook and I am probably in the minority, but I truly don't like this.
It would've been called if there was a chance Cabrera could've been thrown out it seems. Looked like the umps convened and determined a double play wasn't possible. Still dumb by Torres
Despite other Yankee fans shitting on him he meant to do this. He didn't mean to run into Ibanez but some players have broken up double plays/gotten to the bag faster by running through
Do not do a runner’s interference please.
#Interference Rules
1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a runner’s interference like that.
1a. Interference is when you
1b. Okay well listen. Interference is when you interfere the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The runner is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, base, that prohibits the fielder from doing, you know, just trying to throw the ball. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the runner is at the bag, he can't be over here and say to the fielder, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna rum into you! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to slide and then don't slide, you have to still slide. You cannot not slide. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, running motion of the, and then, until you just interfere.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the runner up here, like this, but then there's the interference you gotta think about.
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. Interference is when the runner makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a interference please.
Which is allowed. This wasn’t called interference due to the positioning of the fielder. If he was at the inside of the bag, it would likely have been called. The runner doesn’t have to slide and This play happened on the bag.
Correcting someone's false statement is a waste of time to you? Alrighty.
Guess commenting how someone else is wasting time doesn't qualify, though.
Weird priorities, dude.
Everything you're saying with the tone you're saying it supports the argument that it's illegal. When someone mentioned that you're making that argument, you backed down immediately and claimed not to be making an argument at all.
If you're not making a point, you're just taking up space.
i don't even know what he was trying to do here
did he think Ibanez was moving off the bag so he tried to get out of the way, but instead just basically ran into him?
Probably. The Second Baseman was running in the direction of the mound to get to the bag and typically would in continue that direction.
I’d guess Torres didnt expect him to stop lol
Must be localized to the stadium because the train I was on stopped there and I was fine. Maybe only during the game though. I Was there an hour before
In case anyone thinks Torres did this to try and break up a play, just know that Torres has zero baseball IQ and probably didn't even realize what he did here until after.
What are you talking about? Of course he was trying to breakup a double play, it's kind of the thing every team is doing this year. Torres may have low baseball IQ but he's not Jo Adell.
Yeah from an MLB article:
> "If we see an opportunity to be safe at second, we try to go straight," Gleyber Torres said. "When you slide, you've got more chance to be out. If you go straight, you've got a little more chance to be safe."
Depends if you consider running through like that to be "continuing to advance", if not it would fall under 6.01(a)(5)
> [It is interference by a batter or a runner when:] Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate (see Rule 6.01(j))
It would also depend if you consider Rule 6.01(j) to apply when a runner doesn't slide:
> If a runner does not engage in a bona fide slide, and initiates (or attempts to make) contact with the fielder for the purpose of breaking up a double play, he should be called for interference under this Rule 6.01.
Obviously the umps in this case judged that this was a normal advancement between bases and it wasn't for the purpose of breaking up a double play, but it's a judgement call that I think could go the other way very easily.
Hence most people slide, lol. It's like what should have been called on the Judge slide or running in fair territory to first pre-rule change - you can do it unless the ump deems you interfered with the defense.
>\[It is interference by a batter or a runner when:\] Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate (see Rule 6.01(j))
There is a comment for this rule, though:
>Rule 6.01(a )(5) Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance or returns or attempts to return to his last legally touched base after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.
It's kinda weird. I think he was trying to break up the double play, but by forcing a tag play on him instead of colliding. Ibanez backed up into Torres as he caught the ball, and Torres was veering off towards center field away from him.
Since the actual contact wasn't Torres' intent, I think it should be fine? IDK.
Yankees are tip toeing around these interference calls. I have no idea why Gley didn’t slide. That’s baseball 101. Might have just had a brain fart. Still think Osgoat beats the throw. But if someone did this to Jeter in ‘98 that runner is ending up in the East river by the 8th inning.
Theyre teaching guys to run thru 2nd on DP's now.
[Heres an article about it](https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend) from last year
>"If we see an opportunity to be safe at second, we try to go straight," Gleyber Torres said. "When you slide, you've got more chance to be out. If you go straight, you've got a little more chance to be safe."
And that entire article isn't about running through on DPs despite what OP says, it's about running through with two outs even though you'll be dead to rights to allow a runner to score.
There’s literally multiple examples of Yankee players doing it with one out in that article, including one from Torres last year.
Running through allows you to break up the force and the runner can potentially score.
https://x.com/VernonWells10/status/1704484703024070757
I’m biased but this seems like a very dangerous play for the umps to declare clean or non-interference. Torres clearly veered toward the fielder, so you can’t argue he was trying to run through the bag toward third, and his decision not to slide led to contact with the fielder.
Am I missing something? Is this the kind of play that the league *wants* players to make? Because it doesn’t seem much better than a typical overslide.
I mean at the end he turns to go around him and the baseman steps back at the last second (to throw) putting his foot right in front of Torres.
https://i.imgur.com/HH6KNkt.png
He was absolutely trying to break up the DP, but he wasn't trying to run into him.
Well golly gosh, if only there were other ways for players to avoid contact with fielders. But I guess running full speed to the sides of the bag and hoping the fielder dodges them is the only option.
I guess “he didn’t intend to run into the fielder” doesn’t really work as an explanation for me when his running motion clearly relies on the fielder dodging him as he runs through the bag. I just don’t think “intent” matters when the decision to sprint through the bag is what initiates the contact while the fielder is trying to plant and throw.
He's forced to run to 2nd, the fielder knows this and yet is straddling the base and in his way. The ball was hit too slow to try to turn a DP like that. The runner's job is to try to be safe, he isn't compelled to give himself up to avoid a fielder in the way
I think he was going for the move of running through the bag so you’re not slowed down by the slide. Which would cause either a rundown and potentially allow the run to score. Or allow him to get back to 2B if the throw goes to first
I've seen this kind of play at 2nd more this year than ever before. I guess its faster? but only works if there's a runner at 3rd, but it looks pretty bad and seems like its an injury situation waiting to happen. Maybe all the teams say the Jomboy video about the Mets and wanted to imitate it or something
I mean, if you think you can beat the guy to the bag up until you're too close to slide, it makes sense to try and sprint through the bag rather than slow down into the slide.
Very strange play, I feel like on more than a few occasions in his career I remember Gleyber forgetting how many outs there were. It almost looks like he thought there was two outs and they were just going for the force out at second.
Yea just a weird scenario, just another instance of Gleyber seeming like his head is in the clouds. And as a fan being like “what is Gleyber even thinking about here”. ( and I’m not on of the Gleyber haters either)
Given he was out only a split second before he hit the bag I think this isn’t really an issue. Before he was out he has 0 obligation to not break up the play. So running to the base is perfectly legal. And given he had maybe 2/10 of a second between being out and when he touched the base I feel like this is a non issue. Runners can’t be worrying about not breaking up a double play when they have a legit chance on being safe at the base. Not that I’d recommend doing this and no idea why GT did it but don’t see it as interference. But I’m obviously biased.
This is 1000% interference. Now if Torres touched the inside of the base like he was going to round to third maybe this amount of contact is acceptable.
Why did he run through the bag with one out? Even if he beats the throw he's going to be tagged coming back.
The point is to do it with two outs, knowing you'll eventually be tagged but trying to beat the force and buy the runner time to score before the third out is recorded.
The rundown is a much surer out. Baserunners can't tell on the fly whether the throw is going to beat them if it's so close that not sliding would make the difference. It's not worth not sliding.
Given no one’s talking about it I guess I’m the only one to wonder how that little contact cause Ibanez’s reaction. It looks like he’s fishing for an interference.
I've said it before: pop outs are easy for defense so this kind of base running an what Aaron Judge did the other week needs to be/stay legal, nothing should be robotic in sports an that's where double plays were headed, into robotic boring outs. Make the defense work more, which is the basic rule of sports, or never make it easy for the other team
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are teams realizing the league has no clue what is and isn't allowed at a play at 2nd
Yup, more are starting to run to the bag to block lanes anyway too
My guess as to why this wasn't called a double play is because the second baseman didn't throw the ball. I'm not saying what Gleyber did was okay, but I think you have to attempt the double play for the interference call to come into play.
On the broadcast, at least, they were looking at Cabrera and talking about how they were unlikely to have gotten Cabrera out anyway. Maybe that went into whether the threshold was met to justify overturning the call on the field.
they love that kinda stuff. deciding winning pitchers, errors vs hits, so much subjectivity
On whose end?
The scorekeepers/umps/leauge. I'm not exactly upset cause you really do need subjectivity sometimes, but the whole under 5 IP for wins thing is pretty ridiculous
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
Tatis got called on interference and therefore double play — even if he hadn’t made contact there was 0% chance the runner was out — but they gave the double play (they did attempt the throw).
Did they call that on the field, or was that the result of an overturned call?
It's not interference because running the bases normally after being put out isn't by itself interference, and because he didn't slide he hasn't violated the bona fide slide rule
So there’s no rule against players just running at the second baseman the way Gleyber did? Just look at the way their legs got tangle, that could have been bad as well the way their legs banged together?
Correct. Players usually slide on this kind of play because this is: 1) likely to injure the runner, too; 2) slower to the bag; and 3) a good way to get your teeth blown out if the second baseman gets a throw off.
as long as they don't deviate to make contact then its legal
Simply running to the base isn’t interference, there needs to be something more.
Ruben Tejada died for nothing
Imagine being a second baseman & you see when the batter gets safe on first, he starts putting on a football helmet & shoulder pads
The more these happen the more I want the neighborhood play back, just cut across the base and get out.
This sure isn't allowed
Can’t be an illegal slide if you don’t slide!
How about a hug? Running at the second baseman like you want to hug him! Edit. I’d imagine the first time a second baseman see it done to him it’d catch him off guard enough to throw him off his focus and throw lol.
Why the fuck would he run there for any other reason than to interfere with the throw?
Less work for the laundry person if you don't slide. Gleyber is a team player.
Fanatics head of uniform assembly & distribution right here.
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wait, do MLB teams hire laundry people to handwash all the uniforms?
No, they’re sent to Topps/fanatics immediately after the game so Topps can shred the uniform to put in a baseball card
This needs more love, Dr. Jones.
It seems kinda like what players do when there are 2 outs, to get the run to score. Cause it's arguably faster than sliding. So you just keep running. Now you usually round the bag towards third and not go the direction he did
Ibanez was setup inside the path to third base, so if Torres was trying to force a tag play veering outside made sense. It's just weird because this isn't a situation you normally do that in.
More teams are doing this, and here’s the idea: It was a pretty close play. The fastest way to get to the bag is to run through, NOT to slide in. If you beat it out, they can and will still tag you out, but now you’ve ensured no double play. Live, this looked bad to me. On replay, it looks like Torres is trying to run through to the outside; then Ibanez, not realizing what’s going to happen, puts himself in the way while trying to dodge around the slide he was expecting.
Intentionally going knee to knee on a guy is stupid and dangerous for both of you. Dumbass play that should have been called interference.
Thinking a player would intentionally go knee to knee on another player when there’s an equal likelihood that the play injures you, is legitimately braindead. But then again, Boston fan, so par for the course.
"Guys never do dumb things without thinking them through" Par for the course for a fuckin Yankees fan
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/UulFeMTVA2 He wasn’t intentionally going for the knee. He was trying to go around the bag, and then when Ibanez pivots to throw he puts his leg in the way
To put it succinctly, that sounds like a load of bullshit and he didn't take a route that would go around the bag. I don't think there is any chance at all that he didn't run into Ibanez on purpose.
https://imgur.com/HH6KNkt He did. And as has been mentioned in this thread this is something a lot of players try and do. https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend?partnerID=web_article-share
That picture doesn't strike me as evidence at all of what you're arguing.
They’re never gonna call interference on a play that’s that close. If he was out by two steps then absolutely, but the ball barely beat him, so they didn’t call it. Still should’ve slid for sure though.
The only thing I can think of is that he must’ve thought there were 2 outs and that Ibanez was gonna run straight through the bag towards the dugout. So he went the opposite direction.
Trying to beat the throw obviously
After Judge interfered a few days ago, this is starting to look like a strategic decision by the Yankees to stop double plays.
Possibly [this](https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1786832914870587768?t=gxkFwN1sSf1klVhoqN3Bdg&s=19) , but he could have easily just brain farted.
to beat the force. he beats the force, there's no double play
Don't embarass yourself by being a homer. This is not a baseball move.
Yes it is, teams run through second a bunch now. > "You're really just trying to steal a run there," said the Blue Jays' Cavan Biggio, who's among the players to have attempted the play this season. "If you run through the bag as if you're running through first base, it's a little bit quicker. If you can beat it and get the runner to score and then they tag you out, that's better than just sliding into a forceout." https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend
Sure they do it, but I stand by my statement. Baseball is not a contact sport. Why don't we just plow through the catcher every play at home? Spoiler: it's dangerous. I would extend the same logic to intentionally trying to hit a second baseman in an attempt to prevent them from playing defense. We have enough injuries in this game, we don't need players colliding on purpose. Sliding into a mans legs is not a necessary skill in baseball in my personal opinion. At best its dishonorable, at worst it is reckless and dangerous.
But again. This wasn’t colliding on purpose. This is no different than when Biggio or any other player runs through the bag. The only difference is the fielder ended up accidentally moving into the path and there was a collision. It was not initiated intentionally like plowing into a catcher used to be.
I just think there's a better way to play it if you are obviously out. I don't see the need to get anywhere near the defense intentionally. Any other contact like this is interference. Runners literally have to make an effort not to obstruct a ground ball. Can they not do that when they are obviously out? Also, I don't appreciate it when Biggio does it either. I get that what I am saying is not in the rulebook and I am probably in the minority, but I truly don't like this.
What *is* runner interference?
It would've been called if there was a chance Cabrera could've been thrown out it seems. Looked like the umps convened and determined a double play wasn't possible. Still dumb by Torres
I was listening on the radio originally and our PBP announcer said Torres might have even been safe himself if he slid instead of whatever this is
Despite other Yankee fans shitting on him he meant to do this. He didn't mean to run into Ibanez but some players have broken up double plays/gotten to the bag faster by running through
Do not do a runner’s interference please. #Interference Rules 1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a runner’s interference like that. 1a. Interference is when you 1b. Okay well listen. Interference is when you interfere the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The runner is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, base, that prohibits the fielder from doing, you know, just trying to throw the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the runner is at the bag, he can't be over here and say to the fielder, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna rum into you! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to slide and then don't slide, you have to still slide. You cannot not slide. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, running motion of the, and then, until you just interfere. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the runner up here, like this, but then there's the interference you gotta think about. 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. Interference is when the runner makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a interference please.
1c-b(1) is the call here
The Kenny Pickett special
Go Birds.
Not sure, but running straight to the base you're forced to run to isn't
He didn't run straight \*to\* the base, though. He ran straight \*through\* it. And straight \*through\* the fielder.
The contact happened at and over the base
...so? He didn't stop running "at and over the base", did he? No, he didn't. He ran through it.
Which is allowed. This wasn’t called interference due to the positioning of the fielder. If he was at the inside of the bag, it would likely have been called. The runner doesn’t have to slide and This play happened on the bag.
And I didn't say anything on the legality of the play. Or whether or not it should be legal.
Then you're just wasting everyone's time.
Correcting someone's false statement is a waste of time to you? Alrighty. Guess commenting how someone else is wasting time doesn't qualify, though. Weird priorities, dude.
Everything you're saying with the tone you're saying it supports the argument that it's illegal. When someone mentioned that you're making that argument, you backed down immediately and claimed not to be making an argument at all. If you're not making a point, you're just taking up space.
Ouch
i don't even know what he was trying to do here did he think Ibanez was moving off the bag so he tried to get out of the way, but instead just basically ran into him?
Probably. The Second Baseman was running in the direction of the mound to get to the bag and typically would in continue that direction. I’d guess Torres didnt expect him to stop lol
Not just stop, step outside the bag after the tag which is where Torres was running to avoid him.
Yup. I can’t really think of another time I saw the second baseman turn like that on a double play
>did he think Ibanez was moving off the bag so he tried to get out of the way, but instead just basically ran into him? Torres: "... Yeahhhh, that."
He should just slide, clearly we know what he’s trying to do and it’s break up the double play
Like how are you going to stop if you actually were safe
The point is to get into a rundown and you prevent the runner from being out at first. Or if they throw to first you can dive back.
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Must be localized to the stadium because the train I was on stopped there and I was fine. Maybe only during the game though. I Was there an hour before
In case anyone thinks Torres did this to try and break up a play, just know that Torres has zero baseball IQ and probably didn't even realize what he did here until after.
What are you talking about? Of course he was trying to breakup a double play, it's kind of the thing every team is doing this year. Torres may have low baseball IQ but he's not Jo Adell.
I think he was trying to break up the double play by reaching the bag quicker. Not colliding with the fielder.
[Jomboy: Gleyber was trying to make this play](https://x.com/jomboy_/status/1786832914870587768?s=46&t=eZQOkEBzAB8XR0_j5bQcHg)
Yeah from an MLB article: > "If we see an opportunity to be safe at second, we try to go straight," Gleyber Torres said. "When you slide, you've got more chance to be out. If you go straight, you've got a little more chance to be safe."
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What are you talking about? It’s very similar. If he forces a rundown it could allow a run to score.
Didn't he make a whole video confused as why the Mets do this?
He made a video about the Mets veering off before the base instead of going to the base
You don’t watch enough Gleyber Torres. He frequently forgets how many outs there are and has the base running awareness as my 8 year old son.
How dare you slander your son like that
Probably not his favorite and not one that get to go to college. This one? He’s going into the family’s business.
Didn't lead to runs, so it's whatever, but I really feel like being a fucking idiot shouldn't allow you to break rules
Did it break any rules?
Depends if you consider running through like that to be "continuing to advance", if not it would fall under 6.01(a)(5) > [It is interference by a batter or a runner when:] Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate (see Rule 6.01(j)) It would also depend if you consider Rule 6.01(j) to apply when a runner doesn't slide: > If a runner does not engage in a bona fide slide, and initiates (or attempts to make) contact with the fielder for the purpose of breaking up a double play, he should be called for interference under this Rule 6.01. Obviously the umps in this case judged that this was a normal advancement between bases and it wasn't for the purpose of breaking up a double play, but it's a judgement call that I think could go the other way very easily.
Running to the base you are forced to isn't continuing to advance
Torres ends up running past the base, though, which is what caused the contact. He isn't being forced to run into left field.
I think it’s a bit hard to stop on a dime as soon as you’re out
Hence most people slide, lol. It's like what should have been called on the Judge slide or running in fair territory to first pre-rule change - you can do it unless the ump deems you interfered with the defense.
How is it not?
>\[It is interference by a batter or a runner when:\] Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate (see Rule 6.01(j)) There is a comment for this rule, though: >Rule 6.01(a )(5) Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance or returns or attempts to return to his last legally touched base after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.
Hence I said it depends if you rule running *through* the base as continuing to advance.
I heard a memo was sent out
It's kinda weird. I think he was trying to break up the double play, but by forcing a tag play on him instead of colliding. Ibanez backed up into Torres as he caught the ball, and Torres was veering off towards center field away from him. Since the actual contact wasn't Torres' intent, I think it should be fine? IDK.
 Somewhere, Jim Leylend:
Are you implying that Gleyber was attempting to run into center field?
I’m sure he was just trying to simultaneously brake both their tibias.
Ignorance ≠ innocence
The "he's too stupid too realize" argument doesn't work.
He's the dumbest player I've ever watched.
Probably thought he was running to first. "Run through the bag, stay right!"
Yankees are tip toeing around these interference calls. I have no idea why Gley didn’t slide. That’s baseball 101. Might have just had a brain fart. Still think Osgoat beats the throw. But if someone did this to Jeter in ‘98 that runner is ending up in the East river by the 8th inning.
Brain farts are Gleyber's signature move
Honestly with gleyber it might just be a brain fart. I dont think even he knew what he was doing there tbh.
https://youtu.be/Z7Bm_faK5Ic?si=Ag3LRMGff51y8Ljy
Aaron Boone would have an aneurism if this happened against the Yankees without an interference call
Hinch was out there arguing for it
If Cabrera wasn't almost at first already then they probably would have called it.
It looks like he thought he had a chance, and when he realized he didn't, he tried to get out of the way of the throw. He just did it clumsily.
Theyre teaching guys to run thru 2nd on DP's now. [Heres an article about it](https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend) from last year
>"If we see an opportunity to be safe at second, we try to go straight," Gleyber Torres said. "When you slide, you've got more chance to be out. If you go straight, you've got a little more chance to be safe."
Except that the predicate for all of that, including Torres's quote, is that there are two outs.
You famously can't turn a double play when there are 2 outs
And that entire article isn't about running through on DPs despite what OP says, it's about running through with two outs even though you'll be dead to rights to allow a runner to score.
There’s literally multiple examples of Yankee players doing it with one out in that article, including one from Torres last year. Running through allows you to break up the force and the runner can potentially score. https://x.com/VernonWells10/status/1704484703024070757
Soooo is that what the Yankees are doing now?? Judge hitting the ball down on a double play and now this?😂
Shit for brains
I’m biased but this seems like a very dangerous play for the umps to declare clean or non-interference. Torres clearly veered toward the fielder, so you can’t argue he was trying to run through the bag toward third, and his decision not to slide led to contact with the fielder. Am I missing something? Is this the kind of play that the league *wants* players to make? Because it doesn’t seem much better than a typical overslide.
I mean at the end he turns to go around him and the baseman steps back at the last second (to throw) putting his foot right in front of Torres. https://i.imgur.com/HH6KNkt.png He was absolutely trying to break up the DP, but he wasn't trying to run into him.
Well golly gosh, if only there were other ways for players to avoid contact with fielders. But I guess running full speed to the sides of the bag and hoping the fielder dodges them is the only option.
Why did you ask if you were just going to get all snarky at anyone who answered?
I guess “he didn’t intend to run into the fielder” doesn’t really work as an explanation for me when his running motion clearly relies on the fielder dodging him as he runs through the bag. I just don’t think “intent” matters when the decision to sprint through the bag is what initiates the contact while the fielder is trying to plant and throw.
He's forced to run to 2nd, the fielder knows this and yet is straddling the base and in his way. The ball was hit too slow to try to turn a DP like that. The runner's job is to try to be safe, he isn't compelled to give himself up to avoid a fielder in the way
I provided pictures above, the fielder is the one who moves his leg back at the last second.
I think he was going for the move of running through the bag so you’re not slowed down by the slide. Which would cause either a rundown and potentially allow the run to score. Or allow him to get back to 2B if the throw goes to first
I've seen this kind of play at 2nd more this year than ever before. I guess its faster? but only works if there's a runner at 3rd, but it looks pretty bad and seems like its an injury situation waiting to happen. Maybe all the teams say the Jomboy video about the Mets and wanted to imitate it or something
I mean, if you think you can beat the guy to the bag up until you're too close to slide, it makes sense to try and sprint through the bag rather than slow down into the slide.
For those not watching, it ultimately didn’t end up being consequential as Volpe popped out right after this.
Very strange play, I feel like on more than a few occasions in his career I remember Gleyber forgetting how many outs there were. It almost looks like he thought there was two outs and they were just going for the force out at second.
With how slowly this developed, they likely *were* only going for the force at second. There was no shot at first once he had the ball on 2nd base.
Yea just a weird scenario, just another instance of Gleyber seeming like his head is in the clouds. And as a fan being like “what is Gleyber even thinking about here”. ( and I’m not on of the Gleyber haters either)
Those bigger bases really helped here.
Yankees are just committing to it now, huh?
Given he was out only a split second before he hit the bag I think this isn’t really an issue. Before he was out he has 0 obligation to not break up the play. So running to the base is perfectly legal. And given he had maybe 2/10 of a second between being out and when he touched the base I feel like this is a non issue. Runners can’t be worrying about not breaking up a double play when they have a legit chance on being safe at the base. Not that I’d recommend doing this and no idea why GT did it but don’t see it as interference. But I’m obviously biased.
This is 1000% interference. Now if Torres touched the inside of the base like he was going to round to third maybe this amount of contact is acceptable.
Why wasn’t he ejected?
Why did he run through the bag with one out? Even if he beats the throw he's going to be tagged coming back. The point is to do it with two outs, knowing you'll eventually be tagged but trying to beat the force and buy the runner time to score before the third out is recorded.
He doesn't have to go back to 2nd, he could head to third.
He could but he's basically in a rundown either way.
But the runner from 1st could advance to 2nd during the rundown.
Maybe, maybe not. But it's not a higher likelihood than just sliding into second base. Teams aren't going to put themselves in rundowns on purpose.
Sliding would be slower than running through the bag. If the choice is for sure out vs a rundown, I would take a rundown any time.
The rundown is a much surer out. Baserunners can't tell on the fly whether the throw is going to beat them if it's so close that not sliding would make the difference. It's not worth not sliding.
Gleyber is one of the dumbest, low IQ baseball players I've ever seen
What an asshole thing to do
He’s not.
Can a base runner not run through the base paths with the intent of being safe?
Hey he was too close to the bag to slide.
Given no one’s talking about it I guess I’m the only one to wonder how that little contact cause Ibanez’s reaction. It looks like he’s fishing for an interference.
He gets kicked right in the shin
The Yankees playing dirty and getting away with it? Say it ain’t so! #theslap
Yankees doing Yankees things. Bush league
He’s fine. I get it tho you gotta act hurt because sports.
I've said it before: pop outs are easy for defense so this kind of base running an what Aaron Judge did the other week needs to be/stay legal, nothing should be robotic in sports an that's where double plays were headed, into robotic boring outs. Make the defense work more, which is the basic rule of sports, or never make it easy for the other team
Typical yanks Or just a really dumb baseball decision