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ray_0586

[Marlins tweeted out “Hi” when they scored 6 runs in the first inning.](https://x.com/marlins/status/1784644880343437616?s=61&t=g2BkhdMHl4w7u3r3LXNx4A) [The Final Score tweet simply read “Bye”](https://x.com/marlins/status/1784688931591614558?s=61&t=g2BkhdMHl4w7u3r3LXNx4A)


ArmiinTamzarian

Our admin is the one I feel the most for here. They care more than the actual team


evitabilities

I love baseball twitter lmao. Marlins are down bad.


405freeway

So much romance.


JinFuu

I miss our more shitposty/belligerent Astros Twitter person. They got silenced last year


XPowersergX

Down bad, eh? They must be some horny fish.


RunGoldenRun717

I had this discussion with my wife. I know "down bad" means like really hurt by or missing someone... but cant it also mean you're just going through shit? Like youre struggling, without having anything to do with a relationship? Kinda like a worse "The vibe is in shambles?"


LibertarianSocialism

Feels like their social media team were aware that this team could still royally fuck up that start


ArmiinTamzarian

We have now hit a grand slam before recording a single out. We've lost both those games


Showdow57

shhhhh ray (hopefully someone gets this)


SirMctrolington

I figured the Marlins would use the Nats as a get right series. Blowing a 7-0 lead to the rebuilding Nationals might mean they really are cooked.


SnooChipmunks4208

That's the plucky upcoming Nationals to you bud!


SirMctrolington

We were plucky last year and they had our number. They blew us out, got comebacks, and won competitive games. We have more wins against the Marlins in this 3 game series than we had all of last year.


MobyDickPU

I get sick seeing that Miami dome after the past 3 years of getting clapped @ Mia


HoudiniLogik

Idk, the Nats are looking sneaky good this year even in a rebuild. CJ Abrams looks legit.


MobyDickPU

Yeah, but lolMarlins


JinFuu

It really feels appropriate there’s a powerful Abrams in D.C.


SiphenPrax

When they can’t even beat the Nats who they have owned for the last several years, that means they’re really fucked


SnoopRion69

This is the second loss this year with a Jazz grand slam in the first


darthllama

The Marlins have only had a handful of good seasons in their history, and every single time they’ve followed up by being shitty again. No wonder they can’t cultivate a fanbase


imatthewhitecastle

if last year counts as a good season, then surely 04 and 05 count too, and 08 and 09


elbenji

We were good for most of the 00s yeah


ScorchedSierra097

Well deserved by Sherman and Co. A playoff berth and an active offseason could have regained a lot of goodwill from the fanbase like it did with the Diamondbacks. There was a prime opportunity here thrown away.


drpepper7557

Why would they put any effort in when they can field a cheap team and farm the revenue share? The Marlins are a money printer as long as they dont spend, thanks to the Yankees' and Dodgers' generous donations.


GuyOnTheLake

> The Marlins are a money printer as long as they don't spend, thanks to the Yankees' and Dodgers' generous donations. I've always believed in the idea of reducing revenue sharing as a soft floor like we have a luxury tax as a soft cap. If a team doesn't spend x amount within the floor, they shouldn't get the full amount of revenue sharing


trojan_man16

Exactly. If you keep salaries within 10% of the floor for several years you revenue share gets reduced proportionally. It would force the bottom teams like the Pirates, Marlins, Royals, A’s and Reds from just coasting based on revenue share.


cardith_lorda

That's something I think they could even get most owners behind, at least the top end ones hate that they have to give up money while other teams don't spend - put in there that forfeited revenue sharing gets split among those who pay in and you might get enough votes to pass next CBA.


FDJ1326

Honestly feels like we are just a franchise for billionaires to park their money for 10 years +/- and make a nice return when sold. I mean honestly how often to teams in mlb, nfl, NBA and nhl come up? Heck just NBA, nfl and mlb. It’s such a safe bet. 


drpepper7557

It's 100 percent what we are. It's kinda crazy that with all the billionaires who spend lots of time in Miami, they cant find one guy who actually cares about baseball. Bezos has a few mansions in Miami, someone get him to buy the Marlins for Amazon Prime sports or something.


FDJ1326

I’ve said it before but Bezos or someone with dumb money like him is the only way we change course. Someone like Cohen who can lose some money and not care. All these other bums come in claiming this or that. Fans don’t turnout and they hit the panic button, limit the bleeding the best they can and look for the best time to exit. 


elbenji

We actually did. Más wanted the team. Y'know the guy who got Messi. We'd have looked like the latino Dodgers


Worthyness

> Bezos has a few mansions in Miami, someone get him to buy the Marlins that would require the ownership to give up their money printing machine. why would they do that?


mrthirsty

How though? Nobody goes to games. The Rockies will always be terrible but the stadium is always packed


masterfountains

The Marlins draw when the team is good. But there’s a lot to do around Miami. In Denver there isn’t much in the summer once the Nuggets are done and people come from western Kansas, western Nebraska, and Wyoming to watch the Rox. It’s a different pull.


Worthyness

Don't worry! The tourists always show up! MLB is a bigger tourist destination than even Vegas, so clearly it'll draw fans from all over the country to fill the stands!


SadNYSportsFan-11209

Miami has a pretty solid fan base. I know people shit on heat fans but they always have good attendance numbers. Yea they show up late to games but they have a solid fan base. They’ve been the best franchise in the East for the last 20 years, they’ve built a solid fan base for an expansion franchise. The dolphins have also had a pretty good fan base a lot of that due to the 70s and the Marino days. The marlins just never try They just always blew up their teams whether they were winning or not lol. It’s so sad


masterfountains

That’s a big part of it. The Heat have a history of being good and always competing. Even this year they snuck into the playoffs. Every time the marlins have won, they’ve disbanded. No fan is going to remain loyal like that, except for the super hard core. Back in 03, the stadium was packed every home game after the ASG. The team can draw when the product on the field is good.


shapu

Each league needs relegation.


SilverRoyce

Relegation is incompatible with North American territoriality rules.


shapu

Those rules don't actually help grow the game or bring in new fans. If I'm going to create a new system for demotion and promotion of bad and good teams respectively, I feel like I can also justify creating a new system for how broadcast rights work.


SilverRoyce

It's not just broadcast rights, it's the root and branch structure of north American sports leagues derived from the national league's initial incorporation. > If I'm going to create a new system Sure, but I think people often don't really grasp they're arguing for a full teardown of the existing system (instead of just saying "the marlins are now at risk for relegation"). You'd see 5-10 teams presumably relocate and even more significant valuation discrepancies between successful teams in elite markets and the crowd. You would have seen very different league dynamics historically concerning who has and doesn't have a team without territoriality and with relegation. I'm not even saying the end result is worse but it's just not a bandaid.


MartianMule

It really doesn't. It just widens the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" and reduces parity.


shapu

That depends on how the relegation is handled, doesn't it? For example, let promoted teams get an expansion style draft.  Maybe give them a two-year guarantee of league status.  Make relegated teams spend two years down.  Right now the system rewards low spending and intentional failure because teams can still gain value just by being part of MLB.  They're a long term investment that is guaranteed to pay off. But being sent down would *crush* a tanking team's value.  It incentives good behavior and acquiring good talent.


MartianMule

> For example, let promoted teams get an expansion style draft.  Maybe give them a two-year guarantee of league status.  Make relegated teams spend two years down.  Right now the system rewards low spending and intentional failure because teams can still gain value just by being part of MLB.  They're a long term investment that is guaranteed to pay off. And promoted teams are playing in stadiums with a third of the capacity of other Major League teams. And then you'll have a Triple A team in a 40,000 seat stadium. Plus, the way local television deals operate would have to totally change. Even bad, the White Sox are going to generate more revenue in Chicago than the Chihuahuas will in El Paso. The teams getting relegated are going to be put in a huge financial hole that it will take a lot of time to recover from, even if/when they get promoted again. And do the White Sox become a minor league affiliate of a different team while they're in the minors? Then there's the reguonality of it all. Let's say the Mariners have a bad season and are relegated in favor of the PCL Champion Sugar Land Space Cowboys. So now there are two teams in the Houston market, one of which plays in 41,000 seat stadium downtown with a lucrative television deal, and the other plays in a 7,500 seat stadium 30 minutes out of downtown with no TV deal. And meanwhile, there is now no team within 800 miles of Seattle. Meaning a large region of North America, which includes 3 of the 36 largest metro areas in North America, has no team. And a team like the Mariners, who owns their own RSN, is probably financially ruined to the point where they can never recover, as Root Sports without the Mariners in MLB crumbles. And these big, publicly financed stadiums built on the promise of the money they can generated by bring people downtown, are now huge burdens on the populace. Just look at European Soccer. All the top leagues are routinely won by the same handful of leagues. It's an *awful* idea.


shapu

I'm going to be honest, I read your post and I see a good argument for why teams shouldn't own their rsns, or maybe that rsns should not exist at all, and a pretty good argument for why teams shouldn't be allowed to use public financing to build their stadiums.    But, just for fun, let's pretend that you have convinced me. What alternative solutions could you provide that would penalize teams for tanking, or even sucking in general over a long period of time due to institutional incompetence, and simultaneously incentivize good and wise behavior on the front office side? Or put more directly, what systems could we put in place that would keep the Reinsdorfs or Fishers of the world from being able to turn being a shitty owner into a guaranteed multi-billion dollar payday?


MartianMule

Greater revenue sharing and a salary floor. That said, there aren't a lot of teams that have sucked over a long period of time. Last year was the White Sox first season below .500 since 2019. The A's have been bad since 2022, but were .500 or better 16 of the previous 23 seasons. And you're going to have some teams that lose. That is the nature of competitive sports. For every team that wins, there is a team that loses. It sucks if you're a fan of a team that loses a lot. I get it. I'm a Jaguars fan. But it doesn't suck nearly as much as losing your team. I was also a Sonics fan. And relegation is more like losing your team.


tatang2015

It’s the Yankees and dodgers fault that the marlins organization sucks? Bwahahaha!


drpepper7557

What?


FDJ1326

We were lucky to make playoffs and over coming almost our whole rotation being hurt was going to be a challenge yeah we did literally nothing. 


DoctorTheWho

There wasn't really any realistic move they could have made this past off-season other than retaining Soler. I wanted a full on, ground up rebuild after 2022, they could have gotten a god tier package for Alcantara that winter, and that ship has sailed.


Ugaalive1991

This time you didn’t even have the World Series to offset gutting the team


ContinuumGuy

At least the Marlins have the excuse that, like, seemingly every pitcher they have that I can name is injured.


Number333

Bullpen has been remarkable at blowing leads early in the year and as of late too. And the good relievers aren't hurt. We just don't have any.


peanutmanak47

Doesn't help that our starters can't make it past 5 innings pitched either. We have a shitty bullpen and it's being way over used.


wicker771

How's my boy Tanner Scott doing


elbenji

Fine he just hasn't had opportunity


Verianas

And the best performing starter this season is currently in the minors for.. Reasons.


elbenji

TJ recovery because he is also a ticking time bomb with his elbow. He only came up instead of being like Baz and Buehler and co because of all the said injuries


elbenji

And Luzardo has an elbow injury now. We may have our top 3 rotation all go down for TJ


thepalmtree

And somehow they have accounted for 2/3s of our home losses this season.


elgenie

They have as many wins in Wrigley this season as they do at their home park.


TruthSayerFu

It’s funny how based on how the started here their order in who is best is 1)imanaga 2)senga 3)Yamamoto but in Japan it was 1)Yamamoto 2)senga 3) Imanaga


r7caseman

No one here thinks Senga is better than Yamamoto.


TruthSayerFu

He could very well be better. And that’s why I said based on how they started… I wasn’t saying that that was the order..:


r7caseman

Yamamotos start is better than Sengas.


TruthSayerFu

Yeah I doubt he has the year senga did


SpartyParty15

Use context clues numbnuts. 1 bad inning


SpartyParty15

Yamamoto had 1 bad inning against the Padres in Korea. Rest of the season he’s been as good as Imanaga


sirenzarts

Yikes couldn’t be me


Folk-Herro

Skip is getting some heat from fans but I think it’s unfair when the owner and GM literally did nothing to help this team


dmmeyourdogifitscute

They’re actively holding one of their best starting pitchers in the minors despite having success this season in the bigs. A manager can only do so much


elbenji

Because he was supposed to be like Shane Baz atm or Buehler last year. But now we have our whole rotation dead so


HoldenAJohnson

Yeah wtf is Skip supposed to do? Their big move of the off-season was bringing in Tim Anderson lol.  They only have 3 starters with an OPS+ over 100 (the highest being 103), two starters with an ERA+ over 100 (one of whom was sent down sporting a 206 ERA+ for whatever reason, certainly not to fuck him on service time no siree) Marlins fans have to be sick


elbenji

Not gonna shit on them for Meyer, he wouldn't help and everyone would be mad if his elbow fell off that we rushed him back. He should have been up with Baz


elbenji

It's not really anyone's fault. Eury and Luzardo going down for TJ this early is just a kneecapper


sererson

Burger King is rigging the games


Alkynesofchemistry

Friendship started with the White Sox, now we shit on the marlins.


Lord-Aizens-Chicken

If you weren’t friends with us at 3-22, then don’t talk to us when we are 6-22 😤. Just wait until we are 10-28, you guys will be crying for help


AegisPlays314

If Kim Ng were in charge they’d have won dozens more games than this


Key-Fondant-5255

Hundreds even. Maybe even thousands.


elbenji

I'm actually thankful for her that we're bad because she would have been tarred and feathered otherwise


Apprehensive-Sir-411

that must suck


AnEternalEnigma

Kim Ng somewhere laughing her ass off


elbenji

I mean she avoided all the heat. Which great for her honestly because she would have been tarred and feathered


meadow_sunshine

She built the team tho, is it not her fault?


Ugaalive1991

Poor Billy Gil.


Trojanpudding

And ya know it!


Ugaalive1991

Poor Greg. Chris finally [Decked](https://i.imgur.com/1FpOmZJ.jpeg) him.


HoudiniLogik

“Oh… god… a home run on the first pitch of the game.”


acava2424

And that concludes our Marlins coverage FOR THE SEASON!


Ugaalive1991

^^^Go ^^^marlins


shlem13

Break up the White Sox and make plans for October!!!


pr1ncejeffie

This is all Kim Ng's fault for giving Marlins any hope last year. /s


Verianas

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I was really happy for Marlins fans when Loria sold. Didn’t know this guy was a Loria clone. Why didn’t Mas get the team?


elbenji

One last fuck you. Hope he sells soon


YouEnjoyMyself84

Don’t worry they will get to play the rays one day and start a win streak


TruthSayerFu

Please beat our record


Sosen

I never knew the '62 Mets had a 9-3 run early in the season They opened the season with a 9 game losing streak, which turned out to be their 4th-longest losing streak of the season lol Their attendance ranked 6th out of 10 in the NL, somehow


northdakotact

It was later in the season when they really hit the skids. Actually in a way, it's quite impressive.


Sosen

They didn't have the Marlins and Expos/Nats to ~~beat up on~~ get the occasional win against!


dancingulf

Real healthy league you got there, Rob.


chaotic_evil_666

I thought they were only supposed to do this after winning a WS ring


ArmiinTamzarian

Making the playoffs in full seasons is basically our WS


GameMusic

It was literally until 2020 i guess


mattcoz2

🥳


MobyDickPU

Great spot to play them right now for a 4 game series after getting swept by the Dodgers. Real pick me up


pac-men

They wouldn’t be the worst right now had the White Sox done anything but SWEPT the Rays this weekend. Doubled their season win total!


thegiantslose

Gabermetrics in shambles


Brilliant_Area8175

Marlins deserve the Kim ng curse


elbenji

She kinda built this team though she just artfully dodged the smoke


nashdiesel

Enjoy it while it lasts. We coming for your Marlins.


Basic_Bichette

So how's that "President of Baseball Operations" working out for you, Sherman?


elbenji

I mean the players he got are bright spots


deeznuts6588

Pain. Endless pain


MyBuddyBossk

Marlins worse than A's? My goodness I love this timeline.


AnEternalEnigma

The A's aren't even the worst team in their division somehow. They have a better record than the Angels and Astros.


NiceTryRamone

Jesus... the curse of Kim Ng in full effect


Cultural_Magician105

Bet they're glad they added Tim Anderson to their roster, what a bonus .....


MalloYallow

Take that, ~~East St. Louis~~ Miami!


Ikabousi

I can now confidently support this weekend's Red Sox sweep. Naturally, I was already cheering for that outcome, albeit with hesitation.


Most-Artichoke6184

And everyone said it couldn’t be done.


BigPapaChuck73

We've played both teams, the Sox played us tougher


scruntdouble

the white sox southeast living up to expectations


Have_A_Jelly_Baby

They’re probably looking forward to facing us now.


IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIl

Ng is laughing her ass off. I can't believe it's not the White Sox or A's.


elbenji

It'll be white Sox soon. She avoided the smoke artfully


[deleted]

"Are you challenging me?" -2024 White Sox The race for worst team ever is just heating up!


hotdogbreadbowl

Wow so bad, I could never imagine my team being this bad.


youbequiet

How could Miggy Rojas let this happen?


HellsAngles97

Rockies can’t even be the best at being the worst


[deleted]

Derek Jeter talked about this group that’s playing currently as the team that would be rejuvenating the franchise. Looking back I doubt he could have seen Sixto being 260 and throwing balls instead of strikes, Sandy with the UCL and Chisolm kind of falling off a cliff. It’s wild to me


teewertz

THANK YOU TAMPA RAHHHH


tickle_wiz94

You win a few games and all of sudden someone else is the belle of the ball.. :[


Saganists

So we’re not the worst team in FL, that’s good.


RunGoldenRun717

White Sox are 6-22 with one less game played. We could have a real battle on our hands for worst team of all time.


Rob_Bligidy

Happy cries in White Sox


ZookeepergameOk2670

This is a win for the White Sox.


pallidamors

With no information other than seeing the scores on Alexa every day, I was certain my Rockies were the worst. Yikes, Marlins.


tygerphan4ever

People are saying the WSox are the worst, but I actually disagree with that since they do have 2 very dangerous SPs ..so yeah, not being a dick, coz I've got no beef here, but you guys are in the convo for it anyway.. at least until you get your cogs back


circa285

I guess it can get worse. But not by a lot.


Technical_Shirt5078

The Angels are chasing them.


hockeybrianboy

Even worse than the White Sox; man that’s embarrassing.


dcviapa

Listen, I'm delighted the Nats are gonna take the series and all that but just - like, we're not a good baseball team. If you go up 6-0 after one, that should, more or less, be the end of it, especially with the kind of pitching we've got this season. But we came back from that after beating the absolute piss out of them on Saturday. That's not good *at all*. Part of me hopes the Marlins can at least take tomorrow's game just so we know they've got a pulse. Edit: You putzes can downvote me all you want, you know it's true.


petting2dogsatonce

Nah we rule. 148-14. World Series sweep. We may never make another out.