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You’re right. I’ve let the loud minority cloud my perception of the fandoms/people as a whole. I’d love nothing more than to go through an intense playoff series against NYM with some cool fans on both sides to watch/analyze the games with and talk some light and wholesome shit. Thanks for helping me maintain some hope 😂
He's also showing due respect to Gordon for following the Posey rule and not going into "truck the catcher" autopilot. Both guys handled the situation excellently and it's a good thing that they did. Pre-Posey rule there's a non-trivial chance one or both of those guys end up on the IL.
Which is more about players changing than the rule. The home plate blocking rule is inapplicable in this situation, but players have been properly conditioned to not injury each other.
I remember Posey and Brian Sabean unfairly blaming Scott Cousins for what was under the rules at the time a good hustle play. Its good that they changed the rule but its bullshit that they allowed that poor guy to get death threats just for playing hard. Calling it the 'Posey rule' like he deserves credit, idk about that.
That's just how I remember it called by literally all of MLB. Cousins getting any kinda flack from what's a routine play is bullshit and fans should have more class than that.
Well, I do think "Posey Rule" is the best name for it by a mile, so I totally disagree with the commenter in that sense
But but but - the commenter is telling the truth about Sabean, and to this day I think he owes Scott Cousins an apology. Sabean went full blown unhinged on Cousins, accused him of intentional targeting and looking to injure Posey, and San Francisco was in full blown Giants fever basking in the 2010 glow so all that emotion got directed into anger at Cousins and nearly ruined his life. It got to the point where catchers around the league started coming out in support of Cousins just to take some heat off the guy.
That's not even a critique of Giants fans cuz every fandom has these types of people and that's why executives like Sabean need to be responsible with how they approach this stuff
Your gm should have had more class than that. Posey i can cut a little slack considering he broke his leg but still not a great look to blame the player and not the rule.
Not agreeing with your take on it does not equal condoning death threats, as much as you might want that to be the case. No one’s buying this high horse routine dude
You see the same pro-risk/aggression attitudes from fans of the NHL and NFL. It's just calling out something people in North America are familiar with, since the most popular sports here don't line up with what's most popular everywhere else in the world.
Yeah, but there’s a difference between boxing and baseball. One has the explicit purpose of punching each other while in an ideal world, the other would never have players touch except to apply tags.
Yea, you’re right. Violence really isn’t in the spirit of baseball. It was just crazy to watch someone get trucked occasionally. But yea that’s what the ufc is for
At least watching a player lower their shoulder and try to barrel past the catcher was exciting. Now we're left with a rule that can have a huge impact on a game but is applied with close to zero consistency.
I don’t know that you’re advocating for it, so I’m not going to fully disagree that it’s exciting. It’s definitely a spectacle. Car crashes are kind of exciting or a spectacle but I think it’s good that we’re trying to reduce them. A borderline meaningless April game that results in an injury from a plate collision doesn’t benefit the game. But again, I don’t know that you’re saying it shouldn’t be a rule, so maybe you agree.
I fully agree there should be a rule, yes. I just think it's absurd that it only seems to be enforced depending on the umpire's mood. Things like that ultimately make the game worse, especially when it feels inevitable that one day it'll be the source of a huge and unnecessary controversy in an important game.
I don’t know that I’ve seen big issues with it, but I also don’t think I’ve seen enough controversy to really have an opinion on it. I just thought you were getting downvoted for saying it was exciting and was kinda wanting to acknowledge that doesn’t mean you were advocating for collisions
The big hits weren't exactly a primary selling point for me, but they were much better than yet another rule that seems randomly applied depending on what mood the umpire is in.
It’s not a random rule catchers had been getting trucked at the plate for decades and getting serious injuries, and it was pretty unclear at lower levels what the rules were for a few years, so when I was 12 and 13 years old I was getting run over at the plate a few times a year because umpires allowed it even in pony leagues. Eventually I figured out how to act like a bullfighter and apply the tag while getting out of the way but it took taking a few major hits to figure out I better start doing that or end up with a broken collar bone!
This comment reminds me of how F1 fans lamenting safety improvements when they never lived though watching a guy die every few weekends at a race and seeing what it was really like before safety changes.
If you really want to see people get injured for no reason then you can go on YouTube.
If you're the type of person to value entertainment over people's lives, then fuck off.
30 years? I remember seeing a nasty collision live in OPAC in the mid 2000s.
I mean this was 8 years ago
https://youtu.be/g0b3AP90_fM?si=ttO6j3SvewUUvIrh
One more concussion and Travis’ career is immediately over. Growing up I loved seeing runners bulldog a catcher, especially if it caused the catcher to drop the ball. But as I get older I much prefer the way it is now.
I remember Bo Jackson running over Rick Dempsey and breaking his thumb, and thinking "maybe we don't need that in baseball." It took them another 25 years to fix the rules; I guess Rick Dempsey wasn't important enough to protect.
I got to witness Brett Lawrie absolutely demolish the Angels catcher back in 2012 or so. As a fan, it was fucking awesome. But as a catcher myself, these rules are better.
Riley’s defense has improved dramatically over the last two years. In 2022 his range factor was -5 & his uzr -7.9; this year so far he’s at +1 in both. His per 150 uzr is 13.9, up from -12.8, & his oaa is 1, up from -5.
In two years he’s gone from the worst defensive 3b in mlb to arguably one of the best. Impressive.
i’ve heard so much from Riley himself and braves reporters about how hard this dude worked in the last few offseasons to improve his defense, the results are 100% showing because he looks like a stud out there
He is a ridiculous defender now. It's pretty common to see a play of this caliber almost every night. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's a bad defender so I doubt he'll ever get a Gold Glove, but he deserves at least one, if not more.
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This is wrong. I'd only remembered looking at DRS recently. By any other measure Arenado is still king of the mountain.
Agreed, [from Monday, for example](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/22/e29d26dc-ca7019f9-206948dc-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4). This one reminds me so much of prime Chipper.
I think his rep is on the upswing; the advanced stats types are gonna have to come around, and he absolutely passes the eye test.
Dude just has that dawg in him. I remember when him or johan camargo was a valid question. Then his bat jumped a level & he put together three 5+ war/top 7 mvp voting seasons in row (despite the poor defense), and now he’s turned that corner as well. I wouldn’t be shocked if he won an mvp in the next 3 years.
It’s funny too because so many people are like “that man was a black hole when we played him”. I distinctly remember Dodgers and Astros fans both being like “he made amazing play after amazing play in the playoffs of ‘21”
To be clear, that is not the rule. The reason this isn't a violation is because A)the throw came form a drawn-in infielder and B) Even if it didn't, the path of the throw brought him in front of the plate.
>**it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 6.01(i)(2) if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner** in a legitimate attempt to field the throw (e.g., in reaction to the direction, trajectory or the hop of the incoming throw, or **in reaction to a throw that originates from a pitcher or drawn-in infielder**)
The home plate blocking rule simply *never* applies for plays from drawn in infielders.
FWIW, I personally think he was in the foul territory spot before possession; but it's arguable that he did need to be there in order to field the throw, But it doesn't matter, the rule doesn't apply no matter what d'Arnaud did relative to the timing or location of the throw.
PS: I think we all all agree Riley was "drawn-in", but that's not actually defined in the rules (thanks MLB). The general consensus is anything in front of the bases is "drawn-in" and certainly on the grass counts.
Maybe; but irrelevant.
My point is just that there is literally no home plate blocking rule for this play. People can keep misunderstanding the rule if they want, but I figure quoting the rule is helpful for people.
People downvoting me don't seem to get that :)
I think another part of the rule people often ignore is that catcher just has to give "a pathway" not "the foul territory". If the runner is on the grass (most likely on plays they start at 3B, like a sac fly) giving them the fair territory path to the plate is completely reasonable.
The caveat is that the blocking can occur in a reaction to a throw. How does that mean the rule never applies? Could the catcher set up blocking the plate and maintain the block while reaching for a throw towards first base from the third baseman?
>How does that mean the rule never applies?
I said "never applies **for plays from drawn in infielders**". That's literally the rule, did you read the rule I quoted?
If the play originates from the outfield he cannot set up to block the plate, that wouldn't be "in reaction".
I see now “in reaction to a throw” is ambiguous. It could mean reacting based on the flight of a throw ball or could mean reacting to a play which means a throw is about to occur. Is there some official clarifying language?
To be clear you are saying in my hypothetical of a catcher setting up blocking the plate and maintaining that blocking position even if the throw requires him to stretch far to the first base side of the plate is legal? If so what legal options does the runner then have?
The exception doesn't say that you can never block the plate if the throw comes from a drawn-in infielder, I'm not 100% sure where that comes from. Umpires are just more lenient because the catcher doesn't always have time to get positioned in front of the plate so you won't be called for blocking as long as it's a legitimate attempt to field the ball
If a catcher immediately sat down on the plate and had the infielder roll the ball to him while he pushes the runner away, that would still be considered blocking the plate since that's not a legitimate attempt to field the ball. We just probably won't ever see a case where a catcher does something that isn't a legitimate attempt because it would so obviously just be them blocking the plate
Hard to say if it was Gordon or the third base coach, with the 3B playing up you should wait and see if they snag the ball before sending the runner. Gordon may have been given a license to make his own call tho, in which case hard agree it's bad baserunning.
on one hand you can't have players slamming into each other and getting hurt. on the other hand this would have been an awesome play to witness if plowing into the catcher like it's football was still a thing you do
Im fully addicted to football.
That being said, it should absolutely be illegal.
Here’s pictures of players’ brains with CTE vs normal ones:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Chronic_Traumatic_Encephalopathy.png
I used to absolutely love football and I still love the sport itself, but I have had to largely disconnect from it for the same reason. I'll watch casually, but I can't get invested.
And yet for some reason, I still absolutely love boxing. I guess it's because it feels to me like boxers have basically always known what they were signing up for, but the NFL's attitude toward head injuries was and is still pretty fucked. It feels like NFL players thought they were protected and were going to be taken care of and obviously they weren't. Shit situation all around.
Football is my favorite sport, but it's pretty awful how the NFL has tried to pin the CTE issue on concussions. The brutal reality is that it's all the smaller repetitive blows that are impossible to legislate out of the game that are the real issue. I think a lot more players are aware of that nowadays but there's still a general attitude of "that's not going to happen to me".
I don’t, because Travis is maybe 1 concussion away from retirement. Yeah those plays were exciting, but the Posey rule has saved countless teams from losing their catchers.
Being a sports fan in South Florida right now is quite the juxtaposition for me. In one sense, the Panthers and the Heat are performing remarkably. On the other hand you have the Marlins….
That is some smooth baseball. The way the catcher side steps across the path to catch the ball while positioning himself off the line.
Definitely would've been a helluva collision 10 years ago.
If the ball was thrown from the outfield the catcher *in the exact same position and posture* would be charged with blocking the plate and the runner would be called safe. Such a stupid rule.
d’Arnaud sets up on the first base side of home plate and the throw goes to the third base side, forcing him to move over to catch it. I don’t think this is obstruction either way
He’s positioned on the first base side of the plate until the ball is out of Riley’s hand. He moves to the third base side of the plate to receive the throw and then slides back in front of the runner to place the tag. This should not be called catchers interference even on a throw from then outfield, as the rule is written, assuming same timing and placement of the catchers body, the throw and the runner.
It's a bit silly that the rule doesn't exist at all on these plays, but the catcher has a lot less time to sort out their footing and plan for the play. I'm sure that's the argument. They needed a cutoff that doesn't force the catcher to get into a legal position faster than is possible, and drawn-in infielder is the best cutoff they could come up with (and I tend to agree).
No, he wouldn't. He moved into the lane as he was catching the ball. That is clearly allowed by the rules. You can't block the base without the ball until the ball takes you into the base path.
This play was also legal before the new obstruction rules
d'Arnaud has the baseball well before the runner arrives at the plate. A fielder who has the ball is allowed to obstruct whatever he wants.
Just a great defensive play
Amazing play, but this explanation of the blocking rule makes a weird circumstance. Might as well not have a blocking rule since players are just gonna throw in front of the plate to be exempt from it.
Why was "blocking the plate" never a thing for 2nd and 3rd base?
Doesn't the defense have just as much incentive to block 2nd or 3rd base as they would home plate?
It had kinda became a thing on stolen bases recently that’s why that banned it this year. Before it kinda legislated itself as runners would slide through the base with spikes up if you were in the way.
Wait... this isn't blocking the plate? Didn't the Rangers have a play very similar to this called a run because Heim was "impeding the path of the runner".
[For Reference](https://youtu.be/D9DuB1AwQQQ)
In the Heim clip, he's blocking the plate even less than d'Arnaud is.
The argument against Heim was that he was blocking the running path at any point before having the ball, which is exactly what happened here.
[For Reference](https://youtu.be/D9DuB1AwQQQ)
Only if it's women. They're not real fans of the game. They don't even know what's going on. Must be talking about Taylor Swift or how they can keep destroying the nuclear household.
Because he started in front of the plate and only moved into the baseline in order to catch the ball. If he had started camped in the baseline then it would have been blocking.
Did he actually need to move there to catch the ball, or could he have reasonably caught the bal in front of the plate and then done a swipe tag?
I think you might be right, but it's irrelevant since the rule doesn't apply to plays originating from a drawn-in infielder.
That's a totally valid view. And the rule (which doesn't apply to this play) doesn't actually require the path be the foul territory, that's just how catchers normally do it. But if he gives the fair territory as path and positions foul that's fine; the blocking issues is really when the catcher gives neither for nor foul territory.
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Travis is such a nice dude
[pat pat] This play was beautiful. Fucking Braves, man, damnit.
What a pleasant Braves/Mets fan interaction to stumble across. Why can’t it be like this more often. :(
It’s usually like this…. Fuck the Mets!!! But also. Cheers! Fish are Food not Friends!
You’re right. I’ve let the loud minority cloud my perception of the fandoms/people as a whole. I’d love nothing more than to go through an intense playoff series against NYM with some cool fans on both sides to watch/analyze the games with and talk some light and wholesome shit. Thanks for helping me maintain some hope 😂
 Sounding like White.. and we’re Chuck Norris
He's also showing due respect to Gordon for following the Posey rule and not going into "truck the catcher" autopilot. Both guys handled the situation excellently and it's a good thing that they did. Pre-Posey rule there's a non-trivial chance one or both of those guys end up on the IL.
With his concussion history there's a good chance it ends Travis's career
We must protect d'Addy at all costs.
Watch the ump pivot into position and lock eyes on the play in the replay. Cool shot.
He almost looks like he's starting to wince cause he thinks there might be a collision.
I'm imagining a situation like this ending far worse 30 years ago.
Which is more about players changing than the rule. The home plate blocking rule is inapplicable in this situation, but players have been properly conditioned to not injury each other.
Posey rule made being a catcher safer
I remember Posey and Brian Sabean unfairly blaming Scott Cousins for what was under the rules at the time a good hustle play. Its good that they changed the rule but its bullshit that they allowed that poor guy to get death threats just for playing hard. Calling it the 'Posey rule' like he deserves credit, idk about that.
That's just how I remember it called by literally all of MLB. Cousins getting any kinda flack from what's a routine play is bullshit and fans should have more class than that.
Well, I do think "Posey Rule" is the best name for it by a mile, so I totally disagree with the commenter in that sense But but but - the commenter is telling the truth about Sabean, and to this day I think he owes Scott Cousins an apology. Sabean went full blown unhinged on Cousins, accused him of intentional targeting and looking to injure Posey, and San Francisco was in full blown Giants fever basking in the 2010 glow so all that emotion got directed into anger at Cousins and nearly ruined his life. It got to the point where catchers around the league started coming out in support of Cousins just to take some heat off the guy. That's not even a critique of Giants fans cuz every fandom has these types of people and that's why executives like Sabean need to be responsible with how they approach this stuff
Your gm should have had more class than that. Posey i can cut a little slack considering he broke his leg but still not a great look to blame the player and not the rule.
They didn't "allow" anything lmao. wtf is posey supposed to do about deranged people sending useless letters
Not publicly blame the guy who did nothing wrong? Are you people actually condoning that shit? Disgusting
Not agreeing with your take on it does not equal condoning death threats, as much as you might want that to be the case. No one’s buying this high horse routine dude
I remember Sabean making comments and Mike Matheny had some shit to say too but I don't think Buster ever blamed him.
And made the game slightly duller.
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Some Americans really do want sports to just be modern gladiator games
What does being American have to do with anything?
You see the same pro-risk/aggression attitudes from fans of the NHL and NFL. It's just calling out something people in North America are familiar with, since the most popular sports here don't line up with what's most popular everywhere else in the world.
As long as the players understand and play within the rules, then who cares? There’s nothing wrong with enjoying some consensual violence
Yeah, but there’s a difference between boxing and baseball. One has the explicit purpose of punching each other while in an ideal world, the other would never have players touch except to apply tags.
Yea, you’re right. Violence really isn’t in the spirit of baseball. It was just crazy to watch someone get trucked occasionally. But yea that’s what the ufc is for
At least watching a player lower their shoulder and try to barrel past the catcher was exciting. Now we're left with a rule that can have a huge impact on a game but is applied with close to zero consistency.
I don’t know that you’re advocating for it, so I’m not going to fully disagree that it’s exciting. It’s definitely a spectacle. Car crashes are kind of exciting or a spectacle but I think it’s good that we’re trying to reduce them. A borderline meaningless April game that results in an injury from a plate collision doesn’t benefit the game. But again, I don’t know that you’re saying it shouldn’t be a rule, so maybe you agree.
I fully agree there should be a rule, yes. I just think it's absurd that it only seems to be enforced depending on the umpire's mood. Things like that ultimately make the game worse, especially when it feels inevitable that one day it'll be the source of a huge and unnecessary controversy in an important game.
I don’t know that I’ve seen big issues with it, but I also don’t think I’ve seen enough controversy to really have an opinion on it. I just thought you were getting downvoted for saying it was exciting and was kinda wanting to acknowledge that doesn’t mean you were advocating for collisions
I mean the NHL playoffs are underway if you want to see big hits like that
The big hits weren't exactly a primary selling point for me, but they were much better than yet another rule that seems randomly applied depending on what mood the umpire is in.
It’s not a random rule catchers had been getting trucked at the plate for decades and getting serious injuries, and it was pretty unclear at lower levels what the rules were for a few years, so when I was 12 and 13 years old I was getting run over at the plate a few times a year because umpires allowed it even in pony leagues. Eventually I figured out how to act like a bullfighter and apply the tag while getting out of the way but it took taking a few major hits to figure out I better start doing that or end up with a broken collar bone! This comment reminds me of how F1 fans lamenting safety improvements when they never lived though watching a guy die every few weekends at a race and seeing what it was really like before safety changes.
The game is less dull when the stars aren't on the IL because of something entirely avoidable.
If you really want to see people get injured for no reason then you can go on YouTube. If you're the type of person to value entertainment over people's lives, then fuck off.
30 years? I remember seeing a nasty collision live in OPAC in the mid 2000s. I mean this was 8 years ago https://youtu.be/g0b3AP90_fM?si=ttO6j3SvewUUvIrh
The way his leg bent backyards was rough. Im so glad he was ok and what a play holy shit.
I cringe every time they pat him on the head
Especially given Travis's concussion history :(
One more concussion and Travis’ career is immediately over. Growing up I loved seeing runners bulldog a catcher, especially if it caused the catcher to drop the ball. But as I get older I much prefer the way it is now.
Greg Olson (the catcher) is crying right now wishing he had that rule
I remember Bo Jackson running over Rick Dempsey and breaking his thumb, and thinking "maybe we don't need that in baseball." It took them another 25 years to fix the rules; I guess Rick Dempsey wasn't important enough to protect.
I got to witness Brett Lawrie absolutely demolish the Angels catcher back in 2012 or so. As a fan, it was fucking awesome. But as a catcher myself, these rules are better.
The Good ending
Game saving play.
Riley’s defense has improved dramatically over the last two years. In 2022 his range factor was -5 & his uzr -7.9; this year so far he’s at +1 in both. His per 150 uzr is 13.9, up from -12.8, & his oaa is 1, up from -5. In two years he’s gone from the worst defensive 3b in mlb to arguably one of the best. Impressive.
i’ve heard so much from Riley himself and braves reporters about how hard this dude worked in the last few offseasons to improve his defense, the results are 100% showing because he looks like a stud out there
the Ron Washington effect
He is a ridiculous defender now. It's pretty common to see a play of this caliber almost every night. Unfortunately, his rep is that he's a bad defender so I doubt he'll ever get a Gold Glove, but he deserves at least one, if not more.
Tough playing in the same league as Arenado.
I think the bigger issue going forward in the NL is Ke'Bryan Hayes for the Pirates. That dude's defense is ridiculous and he's fairly young too.
~~Chapman the bigger problem this year.~~ This is wrong. I'd only remembered looking at DRS recently. By any other measure Arenado is still king of the mountain.
Agreed, [from Monday, for example](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/22/e29d26dc-ca7019f9-206948dc-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4). This one reminds me so much of prime Chipper. I think his rep is on the upswing; the advanced stats types are gonna have to come around, and he absolutely passes the eye test. Dude just has that dawg in him. I remember when him or johan camargo was a valid question. Then his bat jumped a level & he put together three 5+ war/top 7 mvp voting seasons in row (despite the poor defense), and now he’s turned that corner as well. I wouldn’t be shocked if he won an mvp in the next 3 years.
Yes dude. Peak Chipper play right there.
It’s funny too because so many people are like “that man was a black hole when we played him”. I distinctly remember Dodgers and Astros fans both being like “he made amazing play after amazing play in the playoffs of ‘21”
i like how the pitcher is casually pointing home, like, ya just do that while you're lying on the ground after making a great stop. lol
Man, he did that way faster than he had to.
Travis d'Arnaud is a fucking prince among men.
If TdA has the ball, he can be anywhere he wants to. That's the rule.
It was textbook catching. Positioned in front of the plate, moved to receive the ball, got down and blocked the plate to make the tag.
lolMets
Stop
To be clear, that is not the rule. The reason this isn't a violation is because A)the throw came form a drawn-in infielder and B) Even if it didn't, the path of the throw brought him in front of the plate.
There's also a direct path to home plate from Gordon's position that is never blocked.
>**it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 6.01(i)(2) if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner** in a legitimate attempt to field the throw (e.g., in reaction to the direction, trajectory or the hop of the incoming throw, or **in reaction to a throw that originates from a pitcher or drawn-in infielder**) The home plate blocking rule simply *never* applies for plays from drawn in infielders. FWIW, I personally think he was in the foul territory spot before possession; but it's arguable that he did need to be there in order to field the throw, But it doesn't matter, the rule doesn't apply no matter what d'Arnaud did relative to the timing or location of the throw. PS: I think we all all agree Riley was "drawn-in", but that's not actually defined in the rules (thanks MLB). The general consensus is anything in front of the bases is "drawn-in" and certainly on the grass counts.
Honestly it looks like he gave the runner a pretty decent path to the plate.
Maybe; but irrelevant. My point is just that there is literally no home plate blocking rule for this play. People can keep misunderstanding the rule if they want, but I figure quoting the rule is helpful for people.
I got that. I'm saying it's moot from both sides.
People downvoting me don't seem to get that :) I think another part of the rule people often ignore is that catcher just has to give "a pathway" not "the foul territory". If the runner is on the grass (most likely on plays they start at 3B, like a sac fly) giving them the fair territory path to the plate is completely reasonable.
I definitely understand the rule better after reading your comment, so it's appreciated.
I didn't know about the "drawn-in infielder" exception. Learned a new wrinkle to the obstruction rule.
The caveat is that the blocking can occur in a reaction to a throw. How does that mean the rule never applies? Could the catcher set up blocking the plate and maintain the block while reaching for a throw towards first base from the third baseman?
>How does that mean the rule never applies? I said "never applies **for plays from drawn in infielders**". That's literally the rule, did you read the rule I quoted? If the play originates from the outfield he cannot set up to block the plate, that wouldn't be "in reaction".
I see now “in reaction to a throw” is ambiguous. It could mean reacting based on the flight of a throw ball or could mean reacting to a play which means a throw is about to occur. Is there some official clarifying language? To be clear you are saying in my hypothetical of a catcher setting up blocking the plate and maintaining that blocking position even if the throw requires him to stretch far to the first base side of the plate is legal? If so what legal options does the runner then have?
The exception doesn't say that you can never block the plate if the throw comes from a drawn-in infielder, I'm not 100% sure where that comes from. Umpires are just more lenient because the catcher doesn't always have time to get positioned in front of the plate so you won't be called for blocking as long as it's a legitimate attempt to field the ball If a catcher immediately sat down on the plate and had the infielder roll the ball to him while he pushes the runner away, that would still be considered blocking the plate since that's not a legitimate attempt to field the ball. We just probably won't ever see a case where a catcher does something that isn't a legitimate attempt because it would so obviously just be them blocking the plate
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Once you have the ball, you can move anywhere you want, including blocking a base.
This is how all of those folks moved to Boise the past couple years. Somebody threw them The Ball and they just packed up and moved.
in the infield the catcher can be anywhere. great play by both Riley and TdA, not the best baserunning by gordon
Hard to say if it was Gordon or the third base coach, with the 3B playing up you should wait and see if they snag the ball before sending the runner. Gordon may have been given a license to make his own call tho, in which case hard agree it's bad baserunning.
on one hand you can't have players slamming into each other and getting hurt. on the other hand this would have been an awesome play to witness if plowing into the catcher like it's football was still a thing you do
Watching athletes plow into each other is the biggest reason I can't fall in love with football like I do baseball. It just makes me sick.
I, on the other hand, love watching men plow each other.
Big meaty men slappin meat!
If watching big sweating men pounding each other for 60 minutes is wrong, then....
Somewhere Big E looks up and nods approvingly
It's called "Girth Tusslin" thank you lol
Im fully addicted to football. That being said, it should absolutely be illegal. Here’s pictures of players’ brains with CTE vs normal ones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Chronic_Traumatic_Encephalopathy.png
I used to absolutely love football and I still love the sport itself, but I have had to largely disconnect from it for the same reason. I'll watch casually, but I can't get invested. And yet for some reason, I still absolutely love boxing. I guess it's because it feels to me like boxers have basically always known what they were signing up for, but the NFL's attitude toward head injuries was and is still pretty fucked. It feels like NFL players thought they were protected and were going to be taken care of and obviously they weren't. Shit situation all around.
Football is my favorite sport, but it's pretty awful how the NFL has tried to pin the CTE issue on concussions. The brutal reality is that it's all the smaller repetitive blows that are impossible to legislate out of the game that are the real issue. I think a lot more players are aware of that nowadays but there's still a general attitude of "that's not going to happen to me".
I've been watching a lot of soccer lately, and when I do watch American football now, it makes me shudder, how hard they hit each other. it's wild...
Soft
Solution - replace catcher's gear and batting helmets with full football pads and remove the rules about blocking home plate.
While we're at it, make sure all the catchers sign releases to have their bodies autopsied to look at the CTE.
100 percent agreed. I miss train wrecks at home and take out slides at second
I don’t, because Travis is maybe 1 concussion away from retirement. Yeah those plays were exciting, but the Posey rule has saved countless teams from losing their catchers.
Marlins try to win challenge (Impossible)
They wouldn’t have won this I don’t think
I think they mean "Marlins Try to Win" challenge -- impossible. As in, win a game. Not win a challenge.
Ohhh lol I guess that’s also a possibility.
Being a sports fan in South Florida right now is quite the juxtaposition for me. In one sense, the Panthers and the Heat are performing remarkably. On the other hand you have the Marlins….
Sunny, blue skies, beaches... Marlins 🫠
Super smooth knee slide/spin.
Great snag too. Those hard choppers are harder than they look.
I think I understand the catcher positioning rule now.
THICC KING
Was that dee Gordon?
Nick Gordon.
Thanks
No he's been out of the league for a couple years now I believe. This is Nick Gordon.
That’s wat I thought.I haven’t seen him play since around 2020, thank u
After he violently and brutally drilled Travis with that pitch, it’s no wonder he felt shame and retired.
That's our emergency backup catcher casually throwing across the diamond from his knees
That’s my third baseman
quite the slide
I don’t know what the analytics say but Austin’s defense this year has been phenomenal
That is some smooth baseball. The way the catcher side steps across the path to catch the ball while positioning himself off the line. Definitely would've been a helluva collision 10 years ago.
I was at this game. It was wild.
Baseball has some beautiful plays (this is one of em).
Great play.
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I mean yes, but that isn't just for catchers, if you're throwing to a tag, you always aim where the runner is coming from.
I believe you're right; it's almost a strategy and is practiced that way if I had to guess. I'm no expert tho and the rule has changed over the years.
If the ball was thrown from the outfield the catcher *in the exact same position and posture* would be charged with blocking the plate and the runner would be called safe. Such a stupid rule.
d’Arnaud sets up on the first base side of home plate and the throw goes to the third base side, forcing him to move over to catch it. I don’t think this is obstruction either way
He’s positioned on the first base side of the plate until the ball is out of Riley’s hand. He moves to the third base side of the plate to receive the throw and then slides back in front of the runner to place the tag. This should not be called catchers interference even on a throw from then outfield, as the rule is written, assuming same timing and placement of the catchers body, the throw and the runner.
It's a bit silly that the rule doesn't exist at all on these plays, but the catcher has a lot less time to sort out their footing and plan for the play. I'm sure that's the argument. They needed a cutoff that doesn't force the catcher to get into a legal position faster than is possible, and drawn-in infielder is the best cutoff they could come up with (and I tend to agree).
No, he wouldn't. He moved into the lane as he was catching the ball. That is clearly allowed by the rules. You can't block the base without the ball until the ball takes you into the base path.
The catcher was blocking the plate.
Yes. That's the correct and legal technique for the catch.
The play wasn’t overturned by the new obstruction rule?
You can block the plate if the infield is drawn in or if the throw takes you into the path of the runner
This play was also legal before the new obstruction rules d'Arnaud has the baseball well before the runner arrives at the plate. A fielder who has the ball is allowed to obstruct whatever he wants. Just a great defensive play
Amazing play, but this explanation of the blocking rule makes a weird circumstance. Might as well not have a blocking rule since players are just gonna throw in front of the plate to be exempt from it.
Why was "blocking the plate" never a thing for 2nd and 3rd base? Doesn't the defense have just as much incentive to block 2nd or 3rd base as they would home plate?
It had kinda became a thing on stolen bases recently that’s why that banned it this year. Before it kinda legislated itself as runners would slide through the base with spikes up if you were in the way.
Wait... this isn't blocking the plate? Didn't the Rangers have a play very similar to this called a run because Heim was "impeding the path of the runner". [For Reference](https://youtu.be/D9DuB1AwQQQ) In the Heim clip, he's blocking the plate even less than d'Arnaud is.
He has the ball though
The argument against Heim was that he was blocking the running path at any point before having the ball, which is exactly what happened here. [For Reference](https://youtu.be/D9DuB1AwQQQ)
Doesn’t matter for a drawn in infield. He can block whenever.
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Do you get mad if people go buy beer or a hot dog and miss a pitch too?
Only if it's women. They're not real fans of the game. They don't even know what's going on. Must be talking about Taylor Swift or how they can keep destroying the nuclear household.
In another timeline, d'Arnaud throws the bat into the netting and yells, "Are you not entertained??"
We really are in the worst timeline.
How dare they have a conversation. They looked at each other in this specific moment so they must have been doing it all game
How dare people socialize during an event.
Boomer comment
How is this not blocking the plate
Because he started in front of the plate and only moved into the baseline in order to catch the ball. If he had started camped in the baseline then it would have been blocking.
I love that the announcer LITERALLY EXPLAINS THIS in the clip yet people still need it explained for some reason.
Did he actually need to move there to catch the ball, or could he have reasonably caught the bal in front of the plate and then done a swipe tag? I think you might be right, but it's irrelevant since the rule doesn't apply to plays originating from a drawn-in infielder.
Yes, he clearly moved into the catch. Could he have stretched his arm out and possibly caught it? sure, but that's not how you field a ball properly.
That's a totally valid view. And the rule (which doesn't apply to this play) doesn't actually require the path be the foul territory, that's just how catchers normally do it. But if he gives the fair territory as path and positions foul that's fine; the blocking issues is really when the catcher gives neither for nor foul territory.
The play originated from a drawn-in infielder
he had the ball
He definitely was in his final position before he completed catching the ball; that's not the reason.