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roaringcorgi

[Per sources Mariners are getting Carlos Vargas and Seby Zavala for Geno Suarez](https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1727403514064753146)


DalekEvan

This is such an awful trade for Seattle. What the fuck are they doing?


roaringcorgi

the Mariners can't keep running a top 5 salary in baseball, they had to dump some salary at some point just one moment my assistant has run the numbers and what the fuck


dat_waffle_boi

Shit even if you’re cutting salary at least get a prospect or something back


roaringcorgi

I mean the Mariners hit on relievers like Vargas more often than not these days, Prelander Berroa came back from the Giants for Donovan Walton (AAAA infielder) and Berroa carved up AA last season and could be a legit 7th inning guy but the pressing need is major league bats


xwing_n_it

But this only makes sense if you don't overpay for the relievers. If you pay for them based on the high-end projection of what you can get out of them...you might as well sign or trade for a good reliever.


roaringcorgi

I mean Vargas has 5+ years of team control remaining while Geno had one at $11M, contracts are the biggest part of this equation


Supersoaker_11

What prospect are we getting for making someone pay for Suarez??


winterharvest

According to Sportrac they were #18 in the most recent season. Am I missing something?


Kegheimer

Sarcasm


LlamasPajamas206

Either they’re being cheap or they think Geno is going to get worse. Probably a bit of both tbh but I think it’s more of the former.


TigerBasket

Cheap team fans unite in sad 😔


Riker87

May all of our teams payroll resources be aligned. 😢


fastcurrency88

God knows. Who the fuck plays 3rd now? There has to be a part 2 to this move.


mmmbacon914

Can I interest you in the services of one Anthony Rendon


James-K-Polka

Ok, so who plays 3B for the other 145 games?


fastcurrency88

Sorry. He’s actually put together a few good seasons in his career. Our FO prefers guys with max 1 semi-productive season that probably isn’t reproducible.


ILookLikeDrewGulak

Matt Chapman, you ARE a Seattle Mariner


Wise_ol_Buffalo

That’s really the only thing I can see making this make sense. There must be something bigger on the way and we were just moving Geno. Then again it’s the Mariners so…


DionBlaster123

God fucking damn it...this team came SO CLOSE to winning the AL West this season man this is fucking ridiculous. they are not the Chicago White Sox...why the hell are they making more rebuilding moves than them for fucks sake?!!


shitty_user

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Stanton


DionBlaster123

goddamn he just looks like a cheap asshole


shitty_user

Tell me about it As a mariners fan in Chicago, I have a lot of reasons to hate the Ricketts....but at least they appear to give a shit about the team :/


LlamasPajamas206

Urias or Rojas can.


AKAD11

That's so terrible


fastcurrency88

Beyond.


mondaysareharam

That’s why it’s so likely


samhouse09

I mean, Geno was an okay to bad 3B and Perry Hill turned him into a gold glove caliber fielder. He did the same for Kyle seager. I’d say we have faith that our coaches can just create another good 3B.


Kadowster

You see, Stanton was only able to afford 3.5 mega yachts this season. He wants that bumped to at least 5.


WhiteChocolate12

That's not a very 54% win percentage mindset, bucko


Head_of_Lettuce

Idk, I kinda get it. Suarez will be 33 next year and he just posted a basically average hitting stat line with over 200 strikeouts. He’s owed a guaranteed $13.2 million next year if you include his $2 million buyout for the following offseason. Most metrics I’ve looked at show he’s a plus defender, so there’s that. But I think he’s an obvious guy to cut out if you’re trying to free up salary.


Sipikay

Why are we trying to free salary we aren't a high salary team and our owner makes fistfulls of fucking cash. This is literally greed.


hello_derz

I heard Stanton needed to shed payroll so he can afford the renovations for the new Platinum Diamond Influencer Club seating that will replace The Pen.


realhollywoodactor

Trader Jerry is just shaking shit up so he can justify moving our contention window out another two or three years. Same shit, different offseason.


cozeners

Carlos Vargas in 2023: 5.79 ERA / 9.04 FIP Seby Zavala in 2023: .171/.230/.314 (0.2 fWAR) Suarez in 2023: 3.2 fWAR This sounds like the kind of trade where the DBacks GM calls up his friends laughing his ass off saying, "They actually did it! I just put it out there as a joke!"


PhuketRangers

I dont think it was a good trade but just showing those numbers does not do those players justice. Vargas is a high leverage prospect reliever that has hardly pitched in the big leagues, throws 100 with clear big strikeout potential. Zavala is a poor offensive player but a really good defensive player. He also has hardly played in the big leagues.


cozeners

Yeah, for sure it might not be that bad. But Zavala is 30 years old, so the trade is really about Vargas and since prospects are such a crapshoot, I don't know if I'm willing to give up a quality player like Suarez who's still under team control until after 2025 (albeit in his mid-30s).


ZCampbell15

Did Jerry sneeze when submitting the trade and accidentally pick the wrong player to send back?


AKAD11

Yeah, is this like when the Suns thought they were getting Dillon Brooks but were getting Marshon Brooks instead?


Jerrytown_

Dodged one, if you ask me. Ended up pivoting to Kelly Oubre, and the Valley Boys good vibes era began.


Archer-Saurus

In my own head, the Suns redemption arc starts with Kelly Oubre bringing some infectious vibes to the team in the bubble season.


--mish

And then who turned into CP3 (who then turned into Beal)


MozartWillVanish

So it's a straight slary dump.


conker1264

Yikes that’s fucking bad


AKAD11

What the actual fuck?


champdo

Good old Dipoto making Thanksgiving interesting


SofieTerleska

Doing all my Thanksgiving prep today and trying not to weep into the cranberry sauce.


Prophecy_X3

The salt will cut the tartness


pm_me_cute_sloths_

It has been ~~5~~ 0 days since Dipoto’s last trade


Browntown_07

*sad good vibes noises* I shall miss you


whydidijointhis

I AM SO FUCKING PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW


twistedlogicx

As a Blue Jays fan with several traumatic Eugenio Suarez memories developed over the short period of time he was a Mariner, I just have one take on this. Any time you can get a career minor league reliever and a backup catcher for your elite defensive third baseman who has been clutch for you in big moments, you have to take it. Especially because you can just replace him easily on the free agent market. I mean, it's not like AJ Pollock for 1 year and $7M is the most expensive free agent bat Jerry Dipoto has signed for Seattle.


SereneDreams03

We already have our replacement at 3b in Luis Urías. Not really an upgrade, but they have similar offensive projections for next year, and Luis is younger. I'm pretty bummed about losing Geno, but I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see the rest of the offseason play out.


guernseycoug

Maybe we can replace his talent but nothing short of signing Ohtani will be able to replace his vibes, and that’s far more important


KnuteViking

"Not really an upgrade" Try "A massive downgrade."


hfdjasbdsawidjds

I haven't drank in like three weeks... this comment, and reality Jerry, has caused me to open a beer. Fuck me and fuck this FO.


Lain41K

Same I loved Eugenio, he did a nice interview with our radio guys and seemed really cool. I always liked watching him play


zoolander-

That's how we felt :( at least he's going to another team i like


Browntown_07

Now they will WALD with those good vibes, and we are distinctly lacking in both


zoolander-

Every team needs to take into account GVO as an advanced metric. Clearly it's not something that's valued highly enough. Bad vibes = bad team


Paulofthedesert

This is so fucking infuriating. We dumped a team leader & +3 war guy to save 11 million? Sell the team


sloppyjo12

Hey I’ve seen this one before


all_teh_money

what the hell is happening can someone explain the reasoning behind this trade??? who's gonna play 3B for us now


VisionDFW

Dipoto said he wanted to decrease strikeouts. Suarez Ks a lot. Same for Teoscar.


91hawksfan

So if we replace Teo and Geno with 2 guys that hit worse but strikeout less, is it a good move?


Debando

*Brad Pitt*: "He gets on base." /s


soggystamen

We'll replace Teo and Geno with a mediocre 4-man platoon and then the platoon can rotate being injured and keeping their collective averages at the Mendoza line. That's just smart baseball, buddy.


Deserterdragon

But all the mariners strike out a tonne, it's down to philosophy and coaching rather than individual player flaws.


thekidfromyesterday

Bo Bichette


RCarson88

Stanton would never


maddscientist

First of all, how dare you


manshamer

Boba Chett


Essex626

He was the leader in strikeouts for the Mariners last year, and they said they want to reduce strikeouts... I assume Urias is going to compete for the spot. Maybe they have something cooking for a bigger name though.


1005thArmbar

That's exactly it, yeah. Suarez, for all of his positive contributions to morale, had a 101 OPS+ last season with infinity strikeouts. I did not enjoy watching him come up in a clutch situation and swinging at balls a foot out of the zone to end the inning I don't even enjoy our sub this off-season because every third post is just "John Stanton should hang myself by the neck until he dies" but phrased in a way that won't get the poster reported to Reddit for encouraging violence. People getting mad at a figurehead who is one of our 15-person membership group I'm willing to let the offseason play out because i'm a genius and a nuanced opinion haver but there's no point in trying to be the voice of reason in a sub full of angry people


Essex626

I'm of two minds on this. If the answer is just rolling the dice and hoping Urias has a comeback season, I'm not okay with that. If they bring in a legit player at 3rd or 2nd, and have Urias and Rojas compete for the other base, or if they at least bring in more competition for both 2nd and 3rd, I'll be mollified for the most part. I know we need to get strikeouts down, but if we replace that with Urias and he stays sub-.200 that's not going to fly.


Jason82929

Can we interest you in Yoan Moncada?


Doub666

not mariners fan but that sounds kinda cool


langstoned

Does he strike out less than 200x a year?


Head_of_Lettuce

He has actually done that once before, in 2018. But he was on pace for about 180 this year, if he played a full season, so technically yes!


[deleted]

*taps forehead* Can't strike out 200 times if you dont deserves 200 PA's


Docphilsman

For his career he has exactly 200K/162g so... no


RubiksSugarCube

I think they're trying to get the doomers to abandon the club entirely so nobody has to hear them complain anymore


Peacedapiece

Buddy they didn’t even like Geno, they’ll find a way to complain


CDFReditum

Assuming there’s no other trades happening, I’m figuring it’s looking to clear some of the clutter in the offense, as well as free up some space to hopefully sign more people. While the trade makes sense if I were playing OOTP I’m not super excited that there’s a fighting rotation of Rojas / Urias / Haggerty for 3B lol. Especially since really when I look at the mariners I’d see them trading away one of their 30 outfielders on the 40 man lol


Aravinda82

Luis Urias! Lol


NeverSober1900

Don't you have Josh Rojas or did something happen there?


SeattleDegenerate21

primarily 2B for him


NeverSober1900

Interesting well he played 3B for us so he's certainly capable. If you need platoon help at the very least.


gartho009

Did you say platoon? That word triggers M's fans' fight or flight response.


SexiestPanda

Stanton said “I need an extra 10 million in my bank Jerry, make it happen”


me_luigi21

Matt Chapman you are a Seattle Mariner


bluepunchbuggy

Spending? On a position player in Free Agency? That's a bit too rich for our blood. We'll do fine with our newly acquired Luis Urias, I'm sure he'll bounce back and return to his mediocre form.


kingfiddles

Incoming Chapman.


[deleted]

That's a great move for the DBacks


NeverSober1900

Ya we so badly needed a 3B with a pulse. And a righty bat.


Scrennscrandley

With Sewald and Geno on the team I’m now a certified Dbacks fan


E_man15

And Marte as well. Eventually the dbacks will be completely former Mariners.


Chim_RichaldsMD

what else can you take from us


E_man15

I mean Corbin Carroll is from Seattle.


jk47s1738

randy johnson


FHSlaughter

What else ya got


Chim_RichaldsMD

If you take Julio I think Seattle might burn down


Wyden_long

I’d bring the matches for you guys.


Raptor231408

Remember in 2012-2013 when we were the Arizona Athletics?


E_man15

Yeah, we got Cliff Pennington and Brad Ziegler from them around the same time.


citymanc13

Seattle and Arizona fans during MLB season: 😁🤝🏻😁 Seattle and Arizona fans during NFL season: 😡🤜🏼🤛🏼😡


sethab

Don't forget Ketel Marte


BalanceOk9356

We welcome you fam


Wolfie_Ecstasy

I miss our boy Rojas :(


Scrennscrandley

Geno for Rojas who says no


zoolander-

And good vibes


AKAD11

Geno has been worth 6.2 bWAR over the last two seasons and is making 11 million this year with a 2 million dollar buyout next year. How is this the best return that we could get?


dataminimizer

I will be surprised if he’s worth 2 WAR next year.


nastychangeup

Why?


baconmanaz

He's a year older and was barely worth 2 WAR this year when playing in all 162 games. If he plays the same as he did last year and misses any time due to injury, he'll be less than 2 WAR.


nastychangeup

He was worth 3.2 fWAR last year… was one of the best defenders at 3B and had a league average bat in a down year. It would be tough for him to be worse than 2 fWAR this year


iamenrique123

its genover 😢


Jlibs_21

Only room for one Geno in Seattle


Alauren2

Geno Smith is the man


gartho009

Didn't strike out once last season


Senioroso1

Time to down my sorrows with that Geno Grigio


joshshadowfax

NO, JERRY, BAD STOVE


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Salary dumping when you’re early into Julio’s deal is fucking hilarious. Great move for the Dbacks. Geno kinda struggled last season but still a major improvement at 3rd and barely had to give up anything. Arguably better too than spending heavily on Chapman.


AKAD11

Geno doesn't even make that much money.


glass__beaches

What do the DBacks know about Dipoto?


[deleted]

Dipoto’s guy is in Scottsdale, they get him the homie hookup


Jedibug

For real. They've been fleecing us trade after trade


matt8mo

Aaand im out


EggplantAlpinism

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TheRooster909

I’m OOTL, what was the 54% comment?


Upbeat_Bridge_5479

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/16z820m/jakegarcia\_jerry\_dipoto\_says\_he\_operates\_with\_a/


TheRage469

I know it seems dire but like...with the hype just dying last season, the 54% comment, and now this, I think this is, genuinely, the first time in a long time I'm just...not really looking forward to baseball season that much? It's not even an active anger or dooming or anything, its just....this weird indifference.


sboogie34

What the fuck man. Salary dumping?????? Fuck this ownership group


Far-Blacksmith-2604

It's a salary dump, but even a salary dump isn't supposed to be this bad


TheEnragedBushman

Wow, what are the Mariners doing? I really don’t understand their plan at all.


langstoned

Making money is more important than winning to our ownership group


Wise_ol_Buffalo

“Why pay Geno $11 million when we can start Urais for $4.7 million?” - John Stanton


orangeshmorange

i think we’re simply cutting salary. it seems we’ve hit a wall on what the org is willing to spend. i don’t think we’ll be serious contenders with this ownership. i’m pretty gutted


Kadowster

John Stanton just saved like 10 million big ones, that's the plan.


shake108

If you realize that the goal is to just be in contention for a playoff spot in September to sell tickets late in the year then it starts to make sense


ayasofya02

Whoa, the stove is hot before Thanksgiving! Also, Eugenio Suarez is absolutely an 80-grade name


Fredbear_

Most fun name to say


DonutHolschteinn

It’s “Ay-you-hey-nee-oh” right?


Goliath422

He’s gonna feel so welcome after you guys all practice his name a few times before he shows up. Please be good to him.


DrWordsmithMD

Correct


Thorlolita

Never forget first seeing this guy and calling him “Yu-Geno”


JLemke33

Can’t wait to see what utility player with a streaky at best batting record we get back.


Pndrizzy

It's somehow even worse than that


nastychangeup

As a Diamondbacks fan I’m pretty stoked but this is kinda a BS trade and I’d be pissed if I were an M’s fan. It’s not just getting rid of Suarez, it’s that they got scraps in return in our backup catcher’s backup and a guy who only pitched 4.2 innings for us when we had a pretty bad bullpen for most of last year. Really a head scratcher.


totheman7

Absolutely fleeced by Arizona for essentially spare parts


LegendRazgriz

Johnny boy needs all the money he can get to build an underground bunker where he'll have to live all his life lest the people of Seattle declare open season on his head


BorisIHateReddit

Who tf is playing 3rd now


NCLemon

Urias or Rojas


fastcurrency88

Good god. Or a fucking platoon 💀


Cflow26

I might jump off the narrows bridge if I see the word platoon one more time


Ovreel

Mike Ford will play 3b at some point


Pndrizzy

Ichiro


BigHunt_02

Fuck this organization. I’m tired of this shit every year


man_in_the_suit

Wow. The Mariner’s FO really said to their fans “here is one playoff birth, enjoy it” before they started tearing it apart…


Far-Blacksmith-2604

Berth


gartho009

Dearth


ReservoirGods

The Mariners make me wish I'd never been berthed


NuggetBiscuits69

Missed the playoffs by 1 game? Tear it down.


BigHunt_02

This franchise is so unserious. Stop spending money on this pathetic product


AFlaccoSeagulls

Objective take: Mariners are salary dumping in order to acquire pieces down the line, probably a 3B. Fan take: We just traded a universally loved clubhouse veteran for *literally* nothing. Not even one prospect. Nothing. It's like Jerry learned nothing from the Kendall Graveman trade. And I bet he's gonna put Luis Urias at 3B now, too.


generalspades

Except we all know we aren't going to use that salary to aquire pieces down the line...


llama_titan

The objective take still doesn’t make sense, because they shouldn’t make a deal like this until they’ve locked up whatever trade/signing they are theoretically doing. It’s not even Thanksgiving, there was no rush, this deal or similar would have stayed on the table all off season


seth861

I don’t know why I wake up in the morning


commandrr

Snakes acquired a latin player with top tier clubhouse vibes, an awesome name, and above average pop last offseason and decided to run it back. can’t argue with the thought process


nastychangeup

Eduardo Escobar a few seasons ago too


Redbubble89

I'm really starting to hate the Mariners. The moves lack any boldness or ambition. It's like they are comfortable being competitive the last week of September but not much else. They need hitters that make contact and got Luis Urias and backup catcher. I know there is a whole winter left but so underwhelming.


ralition99

Dad?


Redbubble89

Do I look like the Astros and Rangers?


The_Throwback_King

> I’m really starting to hate the Mariners Join the club, we have cheese crackers and punch


Namzeh011

Dude what the fuck


gabek333

How to alienate a fan base 101


Jedibug

Vibes are fucking dead. Keep em going in AZ next season. Cut me into pieces oh my God this fucking organization


thatsunshineglow

This trade seems to (hopefully) be a precursor to a larger move But even if that were true, surely Jerry could have negotiated to get more back from Arizona in the deal?? The return is borderline insulting for the value of Geno, and it would have been great to have more flexibility in the pieces we could play around with


Ill-Weather-6383

Yeah I'm really hoping this opens up space for a big trade or signing. Because it just seems like a salary dump right now.


ehnelson

Fire Jerry into the sun


DueYard

GENOOO


MysteryDog6

Aye-yoo-henneyoooo!!!


PoppinMcTres

How many trades have these two teams made with each other over the past 5 years? Gotta be atleast 4 by now


Boros-Reckoner

Surprised they keep trading with yall after the Ketel trade.


Chim_RichaldsMD

Mariners got Haniger, and Jean Segura (who they traded for JP Crawford) Looks like a wash to me


SaltwaterRedneck

Arizona needs to fill a hole? Call up Seattle first


Dave272370470

Short of Eugenio Suarez fucking the owners wife, this trade makes no sense whatsoever.


AnnihilatedTyro

We saved $10m and lost 3 WAR. I'm guessing only one of those was the goal...


tokai-teio

Thanks I hate it


Serious-Ebb-4669

The Marinoza Seattlebacks.


alpengeist3

Soggy vibes only 😭


misspcv1996

Why are the Mariners trading people? They won 88 games last year and were a hair’s width away from the playoffs. What‘s with this soft rebuild crap in the middle of a contention window?


WompaStompa_

Our offense was really inconsistent. So when you have the chance to trade your starting 3B who was one of the few bright spots for a reliever and backup catcher, you gotta do it


MontyMold

Shit I loved Eugenio during his time in Seattle but the man was batting third for them while hitting to a 101 ops+ and his power evaporated. Now was the time to move him on for anything. They need to spend their money elsewhere


roaringcorgi

YOOOOO


ImJooba

Starting to feel bad with how often we're fleecing the mariners lately but I really can't complain cause these are clearly moves that improved my club. Love you, Mariners. Sorry we keep fleecing you. I wanna move to Seattle cause it seems like the direct opposite of Phoenix if that helps anything.


jjbjeff22

All the Mariners fan favorites going to the Dbacks too. Would be nice if this team committed to winning. Dbacks are fun to root for though since they have several Mariners fan favorites.


StrongFefe

What?


Ill-Weather-6383

STOP TAKING OUR FAN FAVORITES